Local Hour: Mike Ryan's Dark Money (feat. Pablo Torre)

Summary

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Podcast Summary: The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz

Episode: Local Hour: Mike Ryan's Dark Money (feat. Pablo Torre)
Date: December 8, 2025
Guests: Pablo Torre, Roy, Zaslow, Mike Ryan, Chris Cody

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Episode Overview

Broadcasting from the Elser Hotel in Downtown Miami, Dan Le Batard, Stugotz, and the crew dive deep into one of the wildest weekends in Miami and national sports. This "Local Hour" focuses on Miami’s sports dominance (with Inter Miami and the Hurricanes), the wild finish to the college football season, and an inside look at campaign tactics (dubbed “dark money”) used by passionate fans—namely, Mike Ryan—to influence the College Football Playoff (CFP) selection. National reaction, playoff processes, and the fallout for programs like Notre Dame are all on the table, delivered with the show’s trademark blend of humor, cynicism, and Miami-centric pride.

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Key Topics and Discussion Points

1. An Epic Miami Sports Weekend

• Miami Teams on Fire:
  • Panthers win an incredible 7-6 game.
  • Inter Miami takes home the MLS Cup in Lionel Messi’s 43rd title.
  • The Hurricanes punch a ticket to the College Football Playoffs.
  • Cyclones reach the championship finals.
• Quote:
  • "What a weekend. Panthers. They got it going again... Inter Miami. They win... Keynes. They're in the college football playoffs." – Roy (02:35)

2. Inter Miami’s Place in History – The Messi Effect

• Debate: Where does this Inter Miami title fit in Miami sports lore and Messi's legendary resume?
• Perspective:
  • Mike Ryan frames it against the Dolphins, Heat, Marlins, and UM.
  • Nationally, MLS isn’t given much weight, but locally it's monumental.
• Messi's Place:
  • "He has 43 titles. I think we've slotted it just behind a gold medal, an Olympic gold medal, just ahead of the league's cup... We have ranked it 31st on Messi's career achievements.” – Pablo Torre (05:41)
• Ownership Triumph:
  • Jorge Mas and David Beckham’s persistence in landing Messi and building a new Miami sports legacy.
• Comp:
  • “Should Miami feel about this championship the way that say a city in Taiwan would feel if LeBron James at 36 or 37 went over there and played?” – Dan Le Batard (38:37)

3. The College Football Playoff Controversy & "Dark Money" Influence

• The Situation:
  • Miami fans, led by Mike Ryan, actively funded billboards and a plane flyover ("H2H matters. Miami IN") to sway the CFP committee.
  • This grassroots campaign is compared to political dark money Super-PACs.
• Quote:
  • "Mike Ryan is an actual bona fide power broker, is actively changing the conversation. He is throwing dark money... I don't know who's funding Mike Ryan." – Pablo Torre (06:40)
• Impact:
  • General consensus that the intense lobbying did influence committee perceptions and media narratives.
  • “I do believe that Miami argued its way into this over the last month...” – Mike Ryan (09:54)
• System Flaws Exposed:
  • The backroom nature of selections; panel is called “12 old, rich white guys... There's one woman.” – Pablo Torre (07:35)

4. Notre Dame's Reaction and Future Fallout

• Notre Dame Left Out:
  • Committee choices leave Notre Dame reeling, with palpable disbelief.
  • “Notre Dame should feel wrong because they are better than Alabama. They are better than Oklahoma…” – Mike Ryan (08:35)
  • Notre Dame pulls out of their bowl game to make a statement, forfeiting ~$4 million.
• Contractual Irony:
  • Next year, Notre Dame is guaranteed a playoff slot if in the top 12, a result of new contractual protections.
  • “If this happens to them next year again, they're automatically in. In writing, no matter what it is that they're doing with the system...” (09:54)
• Debate on System Change:
  • Pablo wonders if real reform will happen or if the drama just repeats every year.
  • “Are people gonna actually agitate for revolt?... Or is 12 [playoff teams] just not enough?” – Pablo Torre (25:39)

5. Miami’s Tactics: Fan Activism and Local Cynicism

• The Plane and Billboard Campaign:
  • H2H (Head-to-Head) was the key slogan.
  • “It sounded a bit, you know, it's from Miami... generally resorts to thuggery. It was threatening.” – Mike Ryan (18:30)
  • “It was only slightly less threatening than ‘we know where you live.’” – Mike (18:46)

6. Detailed Breakdowns: College Football Grievances

• Alabama’s Non-Slide:
  • Outrage that Alabama didn't slide after a blowout loss in conference title game.
  • "Alabama is the first team in the CFP era to not slide whatsoever in the rankings after losing their conference championship game and they got blown out. They had negative three rushing yards." – Pablo Torre (08:36)
• Debate Over Merit:
  • Arguments about who truly deserved the spot: Miami, Notre Dame, Alabama, or Oklahoma.
• Systemic Petulance:
  • Notre Dame’s non-participation viewed as both a financial statement and possibly a byproduct of coaching instability (Marcus Freeman’s rumored NFL interest).

7. Meta Commentary & Show Humor

• The crew frequently jokes about their on-air activism blurring with actual influence, Miami’s ‘thug’ reputation, and even how the debate resembles “March Madness” snubs.
• Pablo riffs on Miami’s campaign:
  • “What Mike Ryan did in this billboard and that plane is basically say, I am going... to spend money haunting you if you don't do what we want.” (09:27)
• Ongoing gags about the number of Texas A&Ms, Magic Cities, and “Taipei Kings” basketball.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Mike Ryan, on the 'dark money' campaign:
  • "For the editorial judgment on where it is, we should start the local hour today, given your homer biases, given the fact that you helped fly a plane in Texas over where the committee was to remind them that head to head mattered..." (06:06)
• Pablo Torre, on the selection committee:
  • "It's ridiculous that this stuff is decided in a literal back room with 12 old, rich white guys. And there's Condi. No, not Condi anymore... There is one woman. Yeah, there is a woman.” (07:35)
• Roy, succinct on Notre Dame:
  • "The only thing Notre Dame can gripe about is that they were duped. That's it." (19:47)
• Pablo, on the fundamental issue:
  • “The committee just never actually consistently defines [the rules], which is why on the back end you can have endless and understandable feeling of dupedness. Everybody feels on some level like they got scammed.” (24:36)
• Dan, comparing Inter Miami's feat:
  • “Should Miami feel about this championship the way that say a city in Taiwan would feel if LeBron James at 36 or 37 went over there and played?” (38:37)
• Mike, highlighting the performative nature of the playoff debate:
  • “Even people who got in are like, wait a minute, why are we playing?... Why are we doing two rematches by the way of regular season games that we've already seen?” (24:36)

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Timeline & Important Timestamps

• [02:22] – Roy revels in Miami's epic weekend, highlighting Panthers, Inter Miami, and Hurricanes successes.
• [05:22] – Pablo Torre ranks Inter Miami’s title on Messi’s legacy (31st place).
• [06:06] – The start of the “dark money” discussion; Mike Ryan’s activism for Miami in the playoff race.
• [07:35] – Pablo rips the CFP selection process as “a literal backroom.”
• [08:36] – Pablo spotlights the injustice of Alabama's ranking after a blowout.
• [09:54] – Mike Ryan lays out how Miami’s “arguing” made a difference and Notre Dame’s new, ironclad contract is revealed.
• [13:29] – The billboard wording (“H2H matters. Miami IN”) and campaign logistics dissected.
• [18:30] – The hosts joke about the threatening tone of their Miami fan activism.
• [25:39] – Pablo questions likelihood of real CFP reform.
• [27:36] – Dan probes Mike Ryan’s psychological “darkness” before the selection.
• [29:06] – Pablo breaks news on possible Marcus Freeman-Giants NFL connection.
• [38:37] – Dan’s Taiwan/LeBron analogy for Inter Miami’s Messi-catalyzed championship.
• [39:47] – Pablo details how Beckham and Mas rescued Miami soccer, and Messi’s statistical dominance.
• [43:06] – Pablo admits TV ratings for MLS are actually down despite Messi mania.
• [44:57] – Roy trashes Dolphins quarterback Tua’s recent performances.
• [45:23] – Miami Dolphins’ brutal closing schedule discussed.

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Final Thoughts

This episode blends the spirit of Miami sports fanaticism with sharp, irreverent commentary about the politics and pageantry of college football. It’s a time capsule of how local activism, fan psychology, ownership ambition, and flawed NCAA processes collided during a momentous weekend for 305 sports. The recurring theme: sports, like politics, is about shaping narratives—sometimes with "dark money," sometimes with pure spectacle. The laughs are as memorable as the insights, and the absurdity of the system is rivaled only by the passion of the fans (and podcasters) who try to game it.

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Transcript

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[Roy]

What a weekend.

And I sit here and I say to you, what a weekend I dare you to come up with a better weekend in recent memory.

[Mike]

My God.

[Zaslow]

Local or national? Local.

[Mike Ryan]

I mean local.

[Zaslow]

Big weekend.

[Roy]

What a weekend. Panthers. They got it going again.

Incredible. 6, 7 win. You know about that 6, 7 win on 67 day?

[Zaslow]

All too well.

[Pablo Torre]

Come on.

[Roy]

Inter Miami. They win the college football. They win.

[Zaslow]

Yeah, they won MLS Cup.

[Dan Le Batard]

They did win.

[Roy]

Keynes. They're in the college football playoffs. Cyclones. And Dan decides to go to New York.

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[Mike Ryan]

Look at us in Miami. Look at us in New York. Both spaceships up together. And I legitimately, Pablo, do not know where and how to start the local hour today because I've got Inter Miami winning a championship on one hand and I've got Notre Dame screaming at the sky on the other hand. It's not even about Miami making the playoffs as much as it is about Notre Dame whimpering, rightly whimpering. And I genuinely feel bad for them. And I didn't think there was a circumstance under which I could feel bad for Notre Dame.

[Mike]

You're also wearing like three layers of clothing right now.

[Mike Ryan]

It's unbelievably cold here. I hate it. How is it back in Miami? How is everybody back in Miami? I want to feel Miami out here. The warmth of Miami. I want to feel it up here in New York. Me feel it.

[Roy]

Oh, my God, what a weekend. What a weekend. Of all the dramatic things, the Miami Hurricanes. That's what I'm talking about.

[Zaslow]

Dan, we're not going to talk about the Kings game.

[Mike Ryan]

No, we'll leave that alone. I was stunned that Zazlo started with the Panthers game. A seven to six win.

[Roy]

Oh, you know about that. Six, seven. Come on now, Dan. Come on. Six, seven.

[Mike Ryan]

I am having. Let. Let's start with Inner Miami for a second here before we get to what everybody wants. Listening to this, which the college football, Miami, Notre Dame stuff. But this is Lionel Messi's 43rd title and I'm legitimately having a difficult time finding out where to put it on his resume. And I'm also having a bit of a hard time finding, trying to figure out how to put it on Miami history sports resume because you've got the. The local teams, the Dolphins have won a couple of times, the basketball team has won three times, the baseball team has won twice, the Panthers have won twice. And then the University of Miami football team is the one with the most championships. And this feels to me like it's a good deal larger than the University of Miami baseball team. Winning a championship. The basketball team obviously haven't won anything, but I don't know where to put it in the pantheon. So, Pablo, tell me here, like, nationally, no one cares about mls, right?

[Mike]

I would say that I really didn't think about it until I saw Mike Ryan doing the robot in Miami. And I was like, I wonder if any part of that robot is because of this team.

[Mike Ryan]

Mike Ryan went to the game.

[Pablo Torre]

It's a huge moment for soccer fans in Fort Lauderdale during the December month. I don't. We. Before the show, we were kind of bouncing around, like, where does this rank on the list of career achievements for Lionel Messi? He has 43 titles.

[Roy]

Okay, when you say you got 43 titles, like, what does that mean? 43.

[Pablo Torre]

He's won 43 trophies.

[Roy]

Like, Michael Jordan's got six titles. Messi's got 43.

[Pablo Torre]

I think we've. We've slotted it just behind a gold medal, an Olympic gold medal, just ahead of the league's cup. Remember, this is not the first trophy that Inter Miami have won with Messi on the roster. So I think 31 sounds good. We have ranked it 31st on Messi's career achievements.

[Mike Ryan]

Okay, let me direct Mike instead of Pablo then. For the editorial judgment on where it is, we should start the local hour today, given your homer biases, given the fact that you helped fly a plane in Texas over where the committee was to remind them that head to head mattered legitimately. Think, Pablo, that Mike Ryan and people of his voice actually helped change this because the committee was forced, long before they had to do it, to put Notre Dame and Miami side to side. And I believe arguing actually got Miami into the playoff.

[Mike]

I think it's never been clearer and it's never been sadder that Mike Ryan is an actual bona fide power broker, is actively changing the conversation. He is throwing dark money, which maybe is Dan, your money, but maybe also just Mike's money. I don't know who's funding Mike Ryan.

[Mike Ryan]

I said to Mike Ryan, look, Mike Ryan had a dark weekend, okay? Mike Ryan was confident.

[Mike]

Dark money weekend.

[Mike Ryan]

He was confident publicly, but privately, the morning all of this was happening, he was dying inside because he's like, what do you think is going to happen if there are two spots for three teams? It's Alabama, Notre Dame and Miami. Miami. He had all of the persecution complex, but one of the things he did, he pooled money to fly a plane over where it is. Was it Grapevine Texas, where the committee was meeting?

[Roy]

That's a real place you put up.

[Mike Ryan]

Didn't you put up billboards as well? Because I said, I wish we'd done that. And Mike Ryan said to me, I did do that. Yeah, I did put money into that. And then someone else tried to take credit for it. Right?

[Pablo Torre]

Yeah. Lifestyle, Miami. God, we love them. They own the Chargers in Battle Court. More on that in a moment. But, yeah, I was part of a group that. That did that because Head to Head shouldn't matter. And I'm glad that it did. Ultimately, it was ridiculous that it didn't matter for a month. But, yeah, all this stuff. It's ridiculous that this stuff is decided in a literal back room with 12 old, rich white guys. And there's Condi. No, not Condi anymore.

[Roy]

I saw one woman, though.

[Pablo Torre]

There is one woman. Yeah, there is a woman. But they're impressionable. And I told you on Friday's show, people were gonna wake up to a whole new world where everyone was all of a sudden gonna start stating the obvious. And we had. We had Kirk Herbstreet, we had Nick Saban. You had Urban Meyer, you had Greg McElroy. You had all these people saying Head to Head mattered. And I was really confident entering that. That Big Ten title game where Mark Ingram, a Heisman Trophy winner for Alabama, is even saying, Alabama doesn't belong in here. And I got really worried by how that Alabama game developed because I think.

[Roy]

The Bama fans are mad.

[Pablo Torre]

Dan. Alabama is the first team in the CFP era to not slide whatsoever in the rankings after losing their conference championship game and they got blown out. They had negative three rushing yards. Miami rushed for more yards on Saturday than Alabama did. BYU slides because they got beaten in a similar fashion. And that's the benefit that benefits Miami. But I can't for the life of me understand why Alabama didn't move down. Notre Dame should feel wrong because they are better than Alabama. They are better than Oklahoma. But the discourse nationally was always about Miami and Notre Dame, and Miami always had the head to head.

[Mike]

Did you hire the nightclub plane? Like, I'm like, on Miami beach and I see the like at live tonight or 11 or whatever. Did you literally get the same plane? Because that's what it looks like.

[Pablo Torre]

It was very expensive because that plane departed from Opa Loca.

[Mike]

H2H matters. Miami in feels like a threat, frankly. I mean, like when I say power. Dad, we're living in this time when politicians actively are leaving, like their coalitions because they're afraid of the maniacs in their mentions who will send mail to their house and dox them. What Mike Ryan did in this billboard and that plane is basically say, I am going. We are going to spend money haunting you if you don't do what we want.

[Mike Ryan]

I do believe that Miami argued its way into this over the last month because it's true what Mike is saying, that all the voices were saying this except for Joey Galloway. Joey Galloway says that what just happened is very strange and it is very strange. It's wrong and it's going to end the Bull system as you know it. Look, you can't wrong Notre Dame like this and not have major change. One of the great things that I read is that Notre Dame now has it contractually guaranteed that if this happens to them next year again, they're automatically in. In writing, no matter what it is that they're doing with the system, because they have a contractual clause that if they'd had it this year, can you imagine if they had it this year, can you imagine how crazy Miami would be if this had already happened last year and Notre Dame had a contractual clause that got them into a violent sports championship round with paperwork. With paperwork. And that's what Notre Dame has now. But when you have the athletic director, Pete Pav. The wording he's using, he's calling it a farce. He's saying it's a shock. He's saying. He's utter disbelief. He's saying they feel like they were punched in the stomach. All of Notre Dame was watching that, waiting to see who they play. Notre Dame was sitting in front of the television assuming that this could not happen, that this was not something that was even possible. And I legitimately feel bad for them because they're right. The system is wrong and Notre Dame is right. Notre Dame is better than Oklahoma. Notre Dame. Notre Dame is better than Alabama. Notre Dame is better than James Madison. Madison.

[Pablo Torre]

What?

[Mike Ryan]

Notre Dame is not better than is Duke. I. I am serious when I say if you told me before the year, here's a riddle. Manny Diaz is going to win an ACC championship before Mario Cristobal does. But Mario Cristobal is going to play for the actual championship that year while Manny Diaz doesn't. I wouldn't have known how to explain it to you like I. I would not. Having seen it happen, I would not have been able to answer the riddle. How does Manny Diaz goes 7 and 5 win the ACC, but Mario Cristobal is the one who gets to play for the championship against Texas A and M? By the way, it probably goes without saying that is by far Miami's Toughest game this year. Texas A and M is. Their next game is their most difficult game. I'm just glad I get to see them play another one. But Notre Dame's yanking its ball. You see what Notre Dame did? Notre Dame took away the money from the television network. Like, took its ball and went home. So we're not playing in a bowl game.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Mike Ryan]

This is going to end the bowl system.

[Mike]

Oh, Oh, I like that take I like, by the way. So that's how Notre Dame does business, right? They do it, like, through official legal channels. They're getting rules and policy changes enacted. And Miami does this. They, they, they, they, they do whatever Mike Ryan Super Pac is doing. And the whole notion, by the way, of, like, the expansion of the playoff field. Something that I laugh about nationally is when this was announced, it was like, there's not going to be any of the drama because 12 teams is so many. Because, of course, like, who cares about numbers 10, 11, and 12? And here we are arguing spending dark money because that's now not enough. 12 is not enough. We can. We could expand this field, as it happens, in March Madness, to 64 and still be mad about the 66 team. That is actively the magic of what the college sports system is, which is, by the way. Yes. A giant bank that the people who put the most money in Notre Dame are now not understanding. I thought you wanted our money, and now you're not gonna get our money. You're gonna get Mike Ryan's money. Congratulations, Amin.

[Mike Ryan]

What do you have here?

[Zaslow]

I got a question from Mike. The sign said H2H matters. Miami Inn. Were they charging you by the cash?

[Roy]

Great question.

[Pablo Torre]

It seems pretty obvious. Yeah. There was another lieutenant in our Air Force that negotiated that deal. I just contributed to a pot.

[Roy]

So those six letters, major difference.

[Pablo Torre]

I mean, imagine it's flying from Opelaka. You got to cut corners where you can.

[Zaslow]

It's like the scene from the Three Amigos where this guy send a telegram to three amigos like it's cost too much. I'll give you the 10 peso version.

[Roy]

I know that. I'm a movie guy.

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[Mike]

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[Mike]

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[Pablo Torre]

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[Roy]

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[Mike Ryan]

Do you know what the rejected ones were, Mike? Were there other options? Were you part of the decision making process on what would it. It would say on the banner itself.

[Pablo Torre]

That was workshop in the group chat. But I just, you know, venmoed somebody.

[Mike Ryan]

Okay, so h. H to H matters. Pablo's got this right when he says it did sound like a threat. It sounded a bit, you know, it's from Miami. You know what that Miami, you know, generally resorts to thuggery. And I believe that that was threatening.

[Mike]

You have it was only slightly less threatening than we know where you live. That's basically what the message is.

[Pablo Torre]

We did.

[Mike]

We are single. Are watching you single you to save characters.

[Pablo Torre]

Yeah, we did know where they lived. But I think that what we saw over the last month and I think Notre Dame is right to feel bad and feel duped by this TV show which was that's the only thing they.

[Roy]

Have the right to is to feel duped.

[Pablo Torre]

Yeah, that's it. They should but duped. The real injustice here, Zaz, was that the nation and Notre Dame was led to believe maybe not for the first release, because Miami was not playing good football when they were ranked behind Notre Dame. Even I said, I understand this one, but if Miami gets it together, we got to write this wrong. And then two weeks in, I was like, this is absurd. That's the real injustice here, is that they were led to believe for so long that as it pertains Miami, that's only injustice. Head to head didn't matter. They could have used two weeks to campaign against Oklahoma and Alabama because I truly believe Notre Dame to be better than those teams. Notre Dame is deserving of a playoff spot. I've said that all along. They're just not more deserving than Miami.

[Roy]

I don't think so. I don't think they're more deserving than any of those teams you just mentioned right there. And the only thing Notre Dame can gripe about is that they were duped. That's it. Is that there were people going on television for four straight weeks telling you that Notre Dame is in when the fact of the matter is they shouldn't have been in at that point.

[Pablo Torre]

Says there were minus 3,000 on sportsbooks to get in up until that. That message.

[Mike Ryan]

You can't. You can't say all they have to be upset about is being duped. When have you been duped and not been upset? Like that's the thing that they're upset about. When. When Bavar is saying that the television show for the last few weeks is a total waste. When he's calling this an absolute joke and a farce. There's no disputing of that. It all it is. They are absolutely right to feel wronged by this because duped is it. You don't play football games to feel duped at the end.

[Roy]

You're right. They can feel wronged, but feel wronged because they got duped, not because they deserve to be in based on merit. They didn't deserve to be in based on merit. The only thing that. The only leg they have to stand on is you said we were in and then you told us we weren't. That's it. That's it.

[Mike Ryan]

No, no, no. I would say the other leg they have to stand on is they've got only two losses while Alabama has three and they're two. Two very good teams and they're very close games. One of them on the road at Miami. Like, that's the leg that you stand on. Alabama's got three losses and isn't actually that good. We're better than Alabama. You're giving Alabama credit For a couple of fourth downs that they made against Vanderbilt.

[Roy]

I hate the. I think the right thing when it comes to Alabama. First of all, Alabama was the number one seed in the sec, and I, I cannot roll with the idea that if you lose your conference championship game, you wind up missing the playoffs. I can't roll byu.

[Mike Ryan]

Here, let me, let me stop you guys here on this one, okay? This is what's disqualifying. Alabama lost fsu. That should be disqualifying. FSU won two of its last nine games. FSU has five wins this season. One against Kent and one against East Texas A and M, which is not something I knew existed before I looked it up. Put it on the poll at LeBatard show. Did you know there was an East Texas A and M?

[Mike]

How many Texas A and Ms. Are there?

[Mike Ryan]

That's another good question. Put it on the poll as well. How many Texas A and Ms. Are there? Yes or no? When I say to you they lost by two touchdowns against fsu, a five win team. It's a disqualifying loss. Like they've got two others. They've got. They've got three losses, and that's more than Notre Dame. But Notre Dame's two losses are to two teams we would all say are top 10 teams.

[Mike]

But then I just found a. I just found a West Texas A and.

[Zaslow]

M. They like their agriculture mechanics out there in Texas.

[Mike Ryan]

You were saying, Zaslow?

[Roy]

I just feel like you're then doing the thing where the, the losses wind up mattering more than the wins. And while FSU's lost, FSU is as bad a loss as there is in the nation, it turns out, in regards to the teams in top 20, Alabama's wins to me mean a whole lot more. They have great wins on their schedule this year. The wins need to win. The wins need to count more than the loss.

[Mike Ryan]

No, the way they lost in the championship game to me should be something that makes them not be allowed to play any more games this season.

[Pablo Torre]

To dance.

[Mike Ryan]

Stop there. The way you lost that game to Georgia, a team you already beat. Okay, A team you already beat this season and you usually do beat. You're the only ones who have beaten Georgia the last few years. And that the way that game went, I would. I don't want to watch that as a playoff team.

[Pablo Torre]

To Dan's point, it's. It's absurd that this team did not slide. I don't know what they did to be ranked ahead of Notre Dame in Tuesday's rankings. Yurichek was Saying that they, over five and seven Auburn, they went for a couple fourth downs and the committee was really impressed by that. You have zero precedent for a team losing especially that badly in their conference title game and not moving. They were slotted. They were telling us that the committee, the, the big debate wasn't Miami, Notre Dame all season long. It was Alabama, Notre Dame, I don't know. Even though Notre Dame is idle, I don't know how Alabama doesn't fall a spot. And then, you know, maybe Miami doesn't.

[Roy]

Because falling a spot means they don't get into playoffs.

[Pablo Torre]

My whole concern was that they were just going to use Alabama as this BS buffer team because they introduced this season the notion of direct side by side comparison. As to where, head to head only.

[Roy]

Although that's not what they were telling us the last month, right?

[Pablo Torre]

No, it was absurd. I understand why Notre Dame fans are pissed. To their credit, no one's really saying Notre Dame should get in over Miami. Even Shane Gillis was like, I was kind of privately hoping that they would just screw Miami and we'd get in. They knew they didn't have a winning hand there. It just sucks that they didn't have the ample time to mobilize and campaign against the likes of Alabama and Oklahoma.

[Mike]

Pablo so the key part of any debate, if you actually want to like resolve the debate with an agreed upon winner, is to define the terms of the debate. And the committee just never actually consistently defines them, which is why on the back end you can have endless and understandable feeling of dupedness. Everybody feels on some level like they got scammed. Even people who got in are like, wait a minute, why are we playing? Why are we matched up? That why are we doing two rematches by the way of regular season games that we've already seen? The thing that I'm curious about when it comes to how Miami feels though is like, do you guys want the system to change? Like what, what would you actually do differently? Because politically and economically, the reason I laugh about like the planes and all of Mike Ryan's dark money is because there is no actual pressure for any reform. The games are going to be incredible self evidently, right? College football, the number two.

[Mike Ryan]

But when Notre Dame says this in this voice, there is now pressure for reform. This, this will cause that pressure.

[Mike]

Well, but that's an open question to me, because they are alone and they are historically singular when it comes to having like individually measured economic pressure because they're not in a conference. But other than that, everyone's going to Watch the games. And from a big picture perspective, like, are people going to actually agitate for revolt? Like, is that. It just feels like this exercise that happens by. Not by design because that's giving them too much credit, but it just happens because of course it's going to happen this way. And so does Miami want anything to change next year? Is there actual, like, suggestion on how to make the system different?

[Mike Ryan]

The system remains stupid. Notre Dame is being so petty about its reaction to this that they're denying themselves $4 million. And they're designed. They're denying their players another game that they may have wanted. There are seniors there who might have thought that they did not play their last game and now do not get the bowl experience. And they're doing that strictly to punish the television networks, the partners, and to allow their dismay to be shown, to be measured. Yes. To be measured. $4 million is not a small amount of money for Notre Dame. I mean, maybe it is for Notre Dame. It's not a small amount of money to give up on a principle. But lest you think that Mike Ryan is sane, okay, because you talk about his dark money funding of propaganda that did indeed argue Miami into the final games. This is the text I got at the beginning of that morning. I don't see any light. Two spots, three programs. Guess which one they're going to bleep December 7th, a date which will live in infamy. That is the last. That is the last text I received from Mike Ryan. Mike, take me through your darkness and how it is you were crawling around nude on your bathroom floor and then collapsed in the fetal position around the toilet before the committee saved you.

[Pablo Torre]

Saturday was going according to plan. And the one thing that I couldn't account for was Alabama being defeated that soundly. For Miami to have more rushing yards in Alabama on Saturday, I didn't account for that. And then I started getting really worried because the committee had already established if you lose your conference title game, there's always going to be some sort of punitive measure. And this is the first time that they decided no in what was probably the most lopsided example in conference title history. Yeah, there's a persecution complex, but I think it's deserved when it comes to Miami fans. They had normalized the most ridiculous thing for a month. I do want to give credit to the Notre Dame fans because they kind of know that they didn't really have a hand there when it came to Miami. And I understand why they're pulling the rug out from anybody that was excited to watch a Pop Tart bowl and say, Notre Dame is not going to compete in this. I didn't want to compete in that joke of a bowl game where they make you a punchline. But I do also.

[Roy]

I win last year. That game's fun. How dare you.

[Pablo Torre]

I think that. I think for Notre Dame, specifically that decision, there's probably more to it than just, like, hurt feelings. I think a lot of players are going to opt out because it's not important. And if you look at the, the, the schools that have opt out of bowl games, opted out of bowl games, you have Kansas State and Iowa State, teams that have change at the, at the head coaching position. And I happen to know, like that is a possibility here with Marcus Freeman.

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[Mike Ryan]

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[Pablo Torre]

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[Mike Ryan]

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[Pablo Torre]

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[Mike Ryan]

He happens to know.

[Pablo Torre]

Gather everyone. Get the children.

[Mike Ryan]

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[Pablo Torre]

So why watch out for the. The New York Giants here? I think now that Marcus Freeman's season is over early, he generated a lot of interest last year, but Notre Dame kept pushing on and had a shot at a national title. Now that they are not in this College Football Playoff picture, his name, as Adam Schefter already alluded to, is going to be the hottest in New York circles. There's some Notre Dame ties there with the New York Giants, and I don't think we can discount that as looming over this entire opting out of the bowl game.

[Roy]

How does that wind up looking, Mike? If Marcus Freeman, if you're right, he does wind up taking the Giants job, but they opted out of playing a bowl game and now he's available to go talk to. Like that winds up looking kind of shady, though, I think.

[Pablo Torre]

I think there's going to be a lot of evidence that you can piece together if Marcus Freeman does move on. I, I know he loves Notre Dame. He's not just going to leave for any job. He's not just going to leave for any NFL job. And he probably wouldn't entertain it if they were positioned for a deep run in the College Football Playoff. But my man was in New York last week, and while I haven't been able to confirm this through multiple sources, I have it on good authority that there have been conversations from the New York Giants to Marcus Freeman surrounding that head coaching job. And it wouldn't surprise me that the specter of him leaving is also one of the deciding factors here than just, we got screwed and we got left out, so we're taking our ball and going home.

[Zaslow]

You know about that Spectre I'm getting.

[Roy]

To it, getting to it.

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[Pablo Torre]

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[Mike Ryan]

Don LeBatard. But it's just his titties are sitting on the shelf that is his belly.

[Pablo Torre]

Stugats. He said titties. It like, shocked me a little bit. I wasn't quite prepared for titties.

[Mike Ryan]

This is the Don lebatar show with the stugats.

[Dan Le Batard]

Dan, to piggyback off of Mike Ryan's Notre Dame topic, can you go back really quick and talk about the contract that Notre Dame signed that says basically, hey, we're in the playoff anytime there's some sort sort of situation like that, like, how do they get to do that?

[Mike Ryan]

I couldn't believe it when I read it. I was confused by it and I want more details. I haven't done any reporting on it beyond that. Just. No. I just know that if they're in the top 12 next year, they're guaranteed a spot no matter what the committee is talking about. I don't know how it is that they ended up getting that contract clause. It's a good question that you're asking. Yeah, I know a lot of people would. A lot of people would want that.

[Mike]

I'm on it. I do. I do have an update though, when it comes to where Marcus Freeman is going. I have just found out that there is a Texas A and M University at Qatar.

[Zaslow]

That's a fun.

[Mike]

A real fact, by the way.

[Mike Ryan]

That's an actual thing on Texas A&MS.

[Pablo Torre]

Are there.

[Mike Ryan]

Have you gotten the answer to how many Texas A and Ms. There are.

[Mike]

I'm still scrolling.

[Mike Ryan]

Can I explain to people just very briefly what kind of insane space Mike has been occupying recently when he spits at you in the matter of a few minutes? Even Shane Gillis.

[Mike]

I was going to comment on that. Like, this is how the sausage is made. Actually, it's on Instagram.

[Mike Ryan]

Even Mark Ingram and Shane Gillis say he's just looking for allies wherever it is that he can find them anywhere in the world.

Even Shane Gillis said, zaz, I don't think you get to celebrate Inter Miami's championship. You declared dumbly that you were out on Inter Miami as soon as Luis Suarez spat on a Seattle staffer.

[Roy]

Okay. It's not like I decided to get out for no reason whatsoever. I didn't like the way InterMiami handled everything. I don't necessarily like what the team stands for. I will tell you.

[Mike Ryan]

It's like I was stand for a championship.

[Roy]

They stand for being unlikable. And I'm not gonna sit here and tell you that I didn't want them to win. I did want them to win. I was glad that they won. I'm not rooting against them. It's not like I have another favorite team, but like I, I don't. I don't have the joy or like I don't feel it the way that I would have hoped that I would feel when Inter Miami won a championship.

[Mike Ryan]

Roy, do you have the access back there to the Kentucky Fraud Chickens? I can't access that here in New York. No, you're being honest about that. But the thing you're not being honest about is you said you were going to watch the game. You're going to watch Inter Miami before the SEC championship game.

[Roy]

I saw the last three minutes. I did. I watched last three minutes on my phone. Dan.

[Pablo Torre]

Yo, chicken thigh.

[Mike Ryan]

It's okay.

[Dan Le Batard]

I wasn't watching either.

[Mike Ryan]

The Moss family.

[Mike]

That's all right.

[Mike Ryan]

At one point, they played for St. Lucy. Huge weekend for the Moss family.

Let's. Let's examine that one for a second. Because Mike is right. Not just for the Moss family, for David Beckham. Those owners were really emotional. They accomplished something in Miami that was really hard to do and has an assortment of obstacles in Miami that you're not going to get in other places in the United States just because Miami is so incredibly weird about. About how it supports anything with dollars. And Jorge Moss, I was introduced to him basically when he was sitting next to Geoffrey Lauria pretending that he had the money to buy the Marlins. When he didn't have the kind of money that you needed to buy the Marlins, but it's how he got into the game. And now he is going to be somebody who is one of the more successful real estate people that we have in Miami because he's got this giant stadium coming in and got the best player in the world and now got a champions like you really do have to celebrate what this ownership group has done. I wonder, Pablo, if, if you believe the comp or if you can help me with a comp on when you go out and get the singularly best soccer player to ever play and you put him in a league that has a lot of soccer players who are not as good as him. Should Miami feel about this championship the way that say a city in Taiwan would feel if LeBron James at 36 or 30, 37 years old, decided to go over there and play against a bunch of Taiwanese basketball players because you went and got the best player in the world? He's clearly better than everyone he's playing against. He set a record for assists in a playoff series. The fact that they lost to Atlanta in the first round last year is one of the greatest upsets in the history of the sport. But what, what would be a comp on what Miami did in just getting the greatest ringer you can possibly get and then ho hum, winning the championship? Because that's what you're supposed to do when you get the greatest ringer you can ever.

[Mike]

Yeah, I don't think the championship is the standard. I thought this entire deal, even based on how the contract as you guys had reported, I think before anybody was structured, was this is going to be a thing tied to viewership. Like this is a, this is a deliberately popular product that will be measured through ratings. So the idea of like, yes, Leo Messi won the title, the, the championship. The reason I am like waking up today and shrugging is because a Dan, you're right. Like of course it's Leo Messi. Even though that was not guaranteed as of, of as recently as last season. The real question is as recently as.

[Mike Ryan]

The 71st minute of that game, it wasn't guaranteed.

[Mike]

But, but the question then becomes like, all of this was structured to be this segue towards the World cup also coming to America, America finally embracing this sport in a way that was going to be different with Leo Messi as this giant lever. And so to me it's not even about like, how does Jorge Mas, who has a great perfect rich guy Miami name, how much does this do for the sport in general? And I don't, Mike, I don't know what the latest data is on that, but that's, to me, the actual standard of success.

[Pablo Torre]

I think that's a fair standard to apply here. I will say in terms of on the field, they've knocked it out the park, even off the field. This is a club that almost died before it ever got off the ground. David Beckham almost left this project numerous times. Jorge Moss was a lifeline as other ownership groups fell apart. And then in a big press conference, they made a lot of promises. Messi was one of the faces featured in this video. The hope, the promise that maybe this is a town that Messi could one day play in. Not only did they get Messi, they got Messi at a high level. While he's still one of the best soccer players on the planet. He just had, in 49 appearances, he had the greatest MLS season ever. He appeared in 49 matches. He scored 43 goals. He had 26 assists. And now he got the trophy that everyone that was a casual sports fan said, well, isn't that the one that matters? Even though they afford three different trophies in this league, isn't MLS cup the one that matters? And I know you've made the Taiwan comparison like he's playing opposite of Thomas Mueller on the other side, the competition's a little bit better. I understand in the eyes of the world, MLS is, you know, not even mid tier, a lower tier professional league. But this is still really impressive. There were really good athletes.

[Mike Ryan]

I mean, help me with this then, because I just chose Taiwan for no particular reason. I was stumbling around with whatever the comparison should or would be on Miami getting the greatest ringer in the world and putting him in a league where the players are not what he is.

[Zaslow]

First of all, you guys are not going to disrespect the Taipei Kings. That is a class organization. They run a good program over there. We're not going to use them as a punching bag. But yeah, I mean, I don't. I think it bears noting other MLS stars that came over from Europe were way, way further down the line. And it squeezed pretty much the last of the toothpaste out of the tube. And Messi came here relatively younger compared to those other ones. And, you know, Mike said it's a lower tier level of competition. I mean, it is even when you name a Thomas Mueller. But really what we're talking about, about competition, we're not talking about the high end. We're talking about across the board with 22 men on the field. How many of them stack up?

[Pablo Torre]

But I mean, if you were watching that game, they were running circles around Miami. Miami did have the pace. I saw last three minutes to keep up there. This is a Vancouver Whitecap.

[Mike Ryan]

Vancouver controlled all the possession in that.

[Pablo Torre]

Game in the second half. Like Miami had to be super efficient with their opportunities. They were. They, they did not have the legs to keep up. The athletic advantage was with Vancouver, not with Miami in that game. It's a really difficult season. They, they play a lot of games. He's got old legs. He was super efficient with his opportunities there. I don't want to diminish it. They play. They beat a team that had played them off the pitch in two previous meetings. This is huge, huge for Inter Miami. This is huge for the Moss family because they had a whole bunch of bluster and they followed through on everything else. I, I do agree with Pablo that I thought the metric for success here was growing the game. And if you look at even attendance, which was something that MLS would always hang. Hand hang its hat on, that took a hit. The TV ratings, forget about it.

[Mike]

The.

[Pablo Torre]

The sport is less viewed now than when it was before Messi got to that league. So I think that that is a fair standard to uphold. But in terms of on the pitch, getting the stadium, getting the best player, playing the best football, the Moss family delivered there. The rest seems to be an MLS problem.

[Zaslow]

How have we gone 30 minutes and not talked about the Cyclones?

[Roy]

Oh, all right, hang on a second. I mean, hold on.

[Mike Ryan]

We haven't talked about the Dolphins. We haven't talked about the Dolphins.

[Roy]

We're going in order of importance here.

[Zaslow]

Championships, Dan. Championships. Sets. The Cyclones won the championship. I don't know if you, if you paid attention.

[Dan Le Batard]

Well, they're on their way to. They're on their way to playing.

[Zaslow]

Well, it's in the books. I guarantee.

[Pablo Torre]

We punch our ticket to Magic City Casino Friday. First toss, 7pm it better be a madhouse at the Magic City Fronton. Everybody from Clone cartel better be out there as we take on the Devils. You know, the ownership group from the Devils and the ownership group from the Cyclones. They were in the very first battle Court final. And now we come full circle in the last battle court match ever played at Magic City Casino as we are moving locations next season.

[Mike]

How many Magic Cities are there? How many Magic Cities are there? Is that different?

[Zaslow]

Different Magic.

[Pablo Torre]

Yeah, the different Magic City both have wings, but that's where the comparisons stop. But yes, the Cyclones are playing. They did not play a good game. We almost Went to a tiebreaker and then Obarba had to come in as an injury replacement in the final match, effectively securing our spot there. And I had to give Ray Lewis a handshake and say, hey, get him next time, tiger. As we move forward in what was essentially akin to the NBA boy bubble. Close to the public, just the VIPs there for this match, but on Friday, all bets are off. Open to the public. We better hear you. We better feel you.

[Mike Ryan]

Ray Lewis went out there again. He goes out there quite a bit, doesn't he?

[Pablo Torre]

Yeah, he owns the Warriors.

[Mike Ryan]

Yeah, but I'm surprised how often he's out there because he's nasty when the competition starts, like he's not fooling around.

[Pablo Torre]

I don't think he liked us clapping and we kind of looked at each other. Said, now that Barb is in there, let's just keep it cool because, you know, Ray has a history.

[Mike Ryan]

Zaslo, how did you feel about watching Tua on Sunday?

[Roy]

Unwatchable. Dan.

[Pablo Torre]

What?

[Roy]

I can't. I, I, I, I, I just, I can't believe how low IQ a player he's become. He's brutal to watch. He's so bad. And you know what? It's, it's shown us that Mike McDaniel might actually be a decent coach. Coach because he knows he can't rely on Tua. So he does what he's good at and that's run the football. He's a great running coach.

[Mike Ryan]

That schedule the rest of the way is pretty tough for Miami. Have you seen who it is that they've got coming up next? It's Pittsburgh, Cincinnati, Tampa, New England.

[Roy]

That's not getting three and one.

[Mike Ryan]

It's not going to go. That's not going to go well. Throwing behind the line of scrimmage with no no H. Maybe, maybe the running.

[Roy]

Back should turn 20.

[Dan Le Batard]

Him.

[Mike Ryan]

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[Mike Ryan]

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[Mike]

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