Local Hour: Mike's Gasket Gets Blown

Summary

Summary of "Local Hour: Mike's Gasket Gets Blown"

Episode Details:

• Title: Local Hour: Mike's Gasket Gets Blown
• Release Date: August 7, 2025
• Hosts: Dan Le Batard and Stugotz
• Guests: Mike Ryan, David Samson, Billy Corben

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1. Introduction to the Episode

The episode kicks off with a light-hearted exchange between the hosts about Chipotle’s playlist, setting a relaxed and conversational tone. However, the focus soon shifts to a pressing topic that has ignited passionate discussions among the hosts and their guests.

2. Messi’s Potential Move to Inter Miami

Timestamp [00:26 - 02:33]

The conversation begins with Mike Ryan bringing up a significant piece of sports news: Lionel Messi’s potential return to Inter Miami. Mike reveals, “It turns out that Messi is coming back to Inter Miami on a 10-year deal for $100 million a year” ([01:03]). This revelation sparks a debate about the credibility of the information, with Stugotz expressing skepticism: “I don’t know if he’s gonna sign or not” ([01:16]).

Notable Quotes:

• Mike Ryan [01:03]: “Tremendous scoop. It turns out that Messi is coming back to Inter Miami on a 10-year deal for $100 million a year.”
• Stugotz [01:17]: “If I had to make a prediction on it, it’s more likely than not that he re-ups with Miami.”

The discussion delves into the feasibility of such a deal, with witty banter highlighting the uncertainty surrounding the announcement.

3. The "Blink Challenge" and Personal Anecdotes

Timestamp [02:10 - 04:08]

Shifting gears, the hosts engage in a playful segment about holding one’s blink in a staring contest. Mike Ryan shares personal anecdotes about trying to win games with his kids, leading to humorous exchanges about parenting and competitiveness.

Notable Quotes:

• Mike Ryan [02:20]: “First one to blink. I assume if you have kids, you played it with your kids.”
• David Samson [03:00]: “Top five things you can hold in right now. It’s obviously my duodenum.”

This segment adds a lighter element to the episode, showcasing the camaraderie and humor among the hosts.

4. WWE's Streaming Changes and Fan Frustration

Timestamp [04:09 - 09:44]

The core of the episode revolves around the recent and confusing announcement by WWE regarding their streaming services. Mike Ryan expresses his frustration: “I'm gonna have a day where he's been... very incensed about the WWE who made a big announcement yesterday and then clarified the announcement cuz they got it wrong” ([04:59]).

Key Discussion Points:

• Confusion Over Pricing and Services: The hosts and guests grapple with understanding the new pricing structure, particularly the rumored increase from $17.99 to $29.99 per month for ESPN’s offerings that include WWE content. Stugotz highlights the lack of clarity: “The messaging is so bad.” ([08:08]).

• Impact on Fans: There’s a consensus that the increased costs are burdening fans, forcing them to subscribe to multiple services to access their favorite content. Billy Corben illustrates the frustration by detailing the convoluted process: “I have to have Peacock and I. I don't know if I'm paying extra.” ([06:22]).

• Comparison to Traditional Cable: The discussion contrasts the new streaming model with traditional cable, lamenting how fans are being nickel-and-dimed for content that was once part of bundled packages.

Notable Quotes:

• Stugotz [06:35]: “It doesn't end with a bargain. That's how it always ends.”
• Mike Ryan [07:24]: “People started to see value in the DTC. But then they had to announce, wait a minute. We don’t want to make people pay for the DTC Wrestling.”
• Billy Corben [06:46]: “I'm with you. I have Hulu plus live TV, but Hulu is going away, so now my TV's going away.”

This segment underscores the broader industry trend of unbundling services, leading to increased costs and fragmented viewing experiences for consumers.

5. The Struggle with Service Integration and User Experience

Timestamp [09:44 - 19:01]

Following the initial frustration, the conversation deepens into the complexities of service integration. The hosts debate whether the new ESPN streaming service is a standalone platform or an extension of existing services like Peacock. Stugotz expresses his discontent: “This is stupidd. This is corrupt.” ([09:44]).

Key Discussion Points:

• Service Overlap and Redundancy: The overlapping offerings of ESPN, Peacock, and the new WWE streaming service create confusion about what subscribers are actually paying for. David Samson comments on the unclear communication from executives: “We don’t know if this is a new standalone streaming service or the one that we already have.” ([33:17]).

• Economic Pressures on Consumers: With the economy tightening, the hosts highlight how consumers are being squeezed to pay more for fragmented services, leading to dissatisfaction and potential churn.

• Future of Streaming Models: There's a critical examination of whether the current streaming model is sustainable, with Stugotz questioning the long-term viability: “These business models are not sustainable if they keep doing this.” ([20:05]).

Notable Quotes:

• Stugotz [09:44]: “This is stupid. This is corrupt.”
• Mike Ryan [16:05]: “They license it to Disney and Disney has the ability to use that license to however they want to maximize the money.”
• David Samson [35:34]: “Do I have to pay more for the same or even less? That’s where you’re going to start losing people.”

The hosts collectively express a sense of betrayal and frustration towards how major media companies are restructuring their offerings at the expense of consumer convenience and affordability.

6. Community Feedback and Call for Clarity

Timestamp [19:01 - 35:56]

The discussion shifts towards the need for clearer communication from WWE and ESPN. The hosts emphasize that fans deserve transparency regarding pricing and service offerings. They express hope that executives will address the confusion and consider fan-friendly approaches to pricing.

Key Discussion Points:

• Demand for Transparency: The community of fans is left bewildered by the mixed messages and premature announcements, urging the companies to provide straightforward information.

• Call to Action: The hosts advocate for consumers to voice their dissatisfaction and make informed choices, potentially influencing companies to adopt more reasonable pricing strategies.

Notable Quotes:

• Stugotz [33:20]: “We have a ton of questions no one's giving us answers.”
• Mike Ryan [35:24]: “Consumers have questions because I assure you that answers come because sometimes the consumer can provide the answer.”

This segment serves as a rallying cry for fans to demand better from streaming service providers and to seek clarity in an increasingly complex media landscape.

7. Conclusion and Final Thoughts

Timestamp [35:56 - 41:18]

In the final stretch, the hosts recap their concerns about the ongoing changes in streaming services, reiterating the impact on fans and the potential long-term consequences for both consumers and the companies involved. Although the episode concludes with humorous exchanges and light banter, the underlying message remains critical of the current trajectory of media bundling and pricing strategies.

Notable Quotes:

• Stugotz [41:02]: “I genuinely don't know what I've been yelling about. I may be wrong.”
• Mike Ryan [41:07]: “You're part of the solution.”

The episode wraps up without definitive solutions, leaving listeners to ponder the future of their favorite sports and entertainment content amidst evolving streaming landscapes.

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Key Takeaways

• Consumer Frustration: Fans are increasingly burdened by fragmented and costly streaming services, leading to dissatisfaction and confusion.
• Need for Transparency: There’s a strong demand for clear communication from media companies regarding changes in service offerings and pricing.
• Sustainability Concerns: The current model of unbundling and escalating costs may not be sustainable in the long run, potentially driving consumers away.
• Community Action: Listeners are encouraged to voice their concerns and make informed decisions to influence better practices in the industry.

Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Mike Ryan [01:03]: “Tremendous scoop. It turns out that Messi is coming back to Inter Miami on a 10-year deal for $100 million a year.”
• Stugotz [06:35]: “It doesn’t end with a bargain. That’s how it always ends.”
• David Samson [33:17]: “Do I have to pay more for the same or even less? That’s where you’re going to start losing people.”
• Stugotz [41:02]: “I genuinely don't know what I've been yelling about. I may be wrong.”

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This episode of The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz provides an insightful and critical look into the evolving landscape of sports streaming services, highlighting the challenges faced by both consumers and providers in an era of constant change and increasing fragmentation.

Transcript

[Dan Le Batard]

At Chipotle, we also have a playlist. Guacamole as it's being hand mashed.

[Stugotz]

The sizzle of adobo chicken on the.

[Dan Le Batard]

Grill, the chopping of onions and cilantro.

[Stugotz]

We call our playlist Real Order now.

[Dan Le Batard]

Chipotle for real.

[Stugotz]

This is the Dan Levator show with the Stugats podcast.

[Mike Ryan]

What an opportunity for me right now, Zaz. It's right here in front of me today. Thursday, I could go any direction I want because we're in the chair. We could talk about football, unbelievable games, preseason. No one cares. I could talk about the Marlins. Talk about baseball. It's local. Or. Or I could play into Mike Ryan.

[David Samson]

Let's hear what do we got then?

[Mike Ryan]

I think I want to play into Mike Ryan because he's been. We had him on Nothing Personal. He was a guest on Nothing Personal.

[David Samson]

Oh, was he better than me? I had a good appearance Tuesday. Mike, were you. Did you top me?

[Stugotz]

I did.

[David Samson]

I don't like being topped.

[Mike Ryan]

He. You were bottomed.

[David Samson]

Oh, man.

[Mike Ryan]

Because he gave us scoop.

[David Samson]

Really.

[Mike Ryan]

I mean, tremendous scoop. It turns out that Messi is coming back Inter Miami on a 10 year deal for 100 million a year.

[David Samson]

Mike was so coy about it yesterday. You wouldn't give us anything yesterday.

[Stugotz]

I don't know if he's gonna sign or not.

[Mike Ryan]

I know that.

[Stugotz]

Like I explained to David on Nothing Personal, last year was easier to scoop, folks, because the scoop was that Inter Miami was a very serious contender. Now everyone knows that. And all that's missing is Messi to agree.

[Mike Ryan]

10 years, not 10 years.

[Stugotz]

He's just making stuff up.

[David Samson]

Play till he's almost 50. It's gonna look kind of rough.

[Stugotz]

I don't think so. I think he'd be like Damn good at 50.

[Billy Corben]

Confirm then.

[Mike Ryan]

Why can't you just give us the story then?

[Stugotz]

I don't know if he's gonna sign with it or Miami if I had to make a prediction on it. This is not a report. This is.

[David Samson]

This is a spoiler.

[Stugotz]

This is. This is not a spoiler either. It's not Paul Heyman. I don't. I don't know if he's gonna sign or not. But if I had to guess, I'd say it's more likely than not that he re ups with it in Miami. Okay, no, don't do that to me. That it's more likely. That's just.

[David Samson]

Yeah, okay.

[Mike Ryan]

Look at me confirming that that's your take. That it's more.

[Stugotz]

You think it's more likely than not.

[Mike Ryan]

I'm Going with that.

[David Samson]

Look at me, Mike. All right. If he's going to sign with Inter Miami, don't blink. Blinked.

[Mike Ryan]

I tell you this. The whole blink, no blink. It never works.

[David Samson]

Oh, I think it just worked, baby.

[Mike Ryan]

You can't not blink.

[Billy Corben]

That's why you always say blink if this is what's going to happen, because they're going to inevitably blink.

[Mike Ryan]

So that means everything's always just going to happen.

[Billy Corben]

Well, if you want confirmation on what you want to report, just say that. And you're like, oh, my. Confirmed. Don't blame me. Don't shoot the messenger, Mike. Blinked.

[Mike Ryan]

I wanted to beat my kids in everything when they were growing up. Every time we played War or Battleship, I didn't care. I wanted to win every game I couldn't win. And you have to play it with your kid at one point or another. It's the blink. The non. The staring contest.

[David Samson]

Yeah.

[Mike Ryan]

First one to blink. I assume if you have kids, you played it with your kids. Of course you can't. I can't win those.

[David Samson]

You're bad.

[Mike Ryan]

I have to.

[David Samson]

You can't hold in your blank.

[Mike Ryan]

I can hold in a lot of stuff. I can't hold in my blanks. I've never been able. Top five things you can hold in right now. It's obviously my duodenum. That's another one that you start and end with that. If you can control that, then you are victory. Number two. I can hold in my opinions.

[Stugotz]

We're going up. All right.

[Mike Ryan]

I like it significantly.

[David Samson]

Usually we go for dramatic effect five to one, but this is different.

[Mike Ryan]

Okay, I. Well, this came out of nowhere.

[David Samson]

All right.

[Mike Ryan]

This wasn't part of the prep. Number three. Number three. I can hold my tongue. Do you want to see how you do it? It's not the circular tongue. Anyone can do that.

[David Samson]

Color me intrigued.

[Mike Ryan]

Okay, holding your tongue. If any can still talk, it's you. Don't let your tongue come outside of your mouth. Exactly. And look at it. Hard to talk that way. It's difficult. Number four. I can hold my girlfriend's pocketbook. I have no problem doing that. I did it.

[David Samson]

I still call it a pocketbook.

[Mike Ryan]

What? What do you call it?

[David Samson]

A wallet.

[Mike Ryan]

A purse.

[Billy Corben]

Pocketbook is what my grandma called her.

[David Samson]

Same pocketbook. Unless your girlfriend's 90.

[Mike Ryan]

I think it's a purse opposite of 90, not 9. I guess it's not opposite. I would like to juju put that on the poll. Is it not? Does everyone now hold a pocketbook or a purse?

[David Samson]

Do over under of age of people that Say pocketbook. I think you could put that pretty high and that'll come in 75.

[Mike Ryan]

I'm thinking over 75 or older. I'm not 75 or older.

[David Samson]

I'm just saying I think like people.

[Mike Ryan]

Would vote that most people who say are 75 or older. So I am comfortable holding her pocketbook but not my own. I don't do immerse. I don't hold the mercen ever have. But I do cargo pants instead.

[David Samson]

The pocketbook age probably skews a little bit younger if you're Jewish, right?

[Mike Ryan]

I always was.

[Stugotz]

For sure.

[Dan Le Batard]

No, that's. That's for sure.

[David Samson]

I think so.

[Dan Le Batard]

Confirming.

[David Samson]

Yeah.

[Mike Ryan]

So that. Yeah. Do we put that as part of the poll? Is there a side pole? And the last thing that I can hold is I can hold a conversation. And we are about to have one because Mike has had a day, a day where he's been. He started this morning very early. Yeah, it's early, which was nice. But he's been very incensed about the WWE who made a big announcement yesterday and then clarified the announcement cuz they got it wrong. So all the talk we had yesterday.

[David Samson]

It'S been confusing because I'm way into the deal too. Obviously it's.

[Stugotz]

It.

[David Samson]

It's a little confusing. What like what I'm going to have to pay is what we're Talking about.

[Mike Ryan]

The 2999 that we talked on the show yesterday that you got to go out of pocket. Apparently you want WWE, you don't need the 2999.

[David Samson]

I thought it was wrong, but Mike, what you. You're questioning whether or not that's actually the case?

[Stugotz]

Yes, because the press releases were wrong and the initial reports were wrong. And as of right. It was initially reported that if you have YouTube TV and I know Ariel Hawani is very plugged into WWE. He said on his show, if you have YouTube TV, you'. That's not the case right now. That deal point tell us to be worked out. I have YouTube TV and Xfinity right now. I'm not grandfathered in. I don't know if my current bundle plan for espn, Disney plus Hulu gets me that. I don't know if I'm paying extra.

[David Samson]

You see, by the way, Disney plus and Hulu are merging.

[Stugotz]

Yeah. It was already fully integrated. I know how this ends. It ends with me losing and paying more. That's how it always does. That's how it always ends. It doesn't end with a bargain.

[David Samson]

I can't.

[Stugotz]

It doesn't end with me like paying the same amount that I'm paying right now now, to be able to enjoy the same thing. That's not how this business works.

[Mike Ryan]

I can't remember a story that I've.

[David Samson]

Read more about that I know less about.

[Stugotz]

Like, I've read multiple articles and I.

[David Samson]

Still have no clue.

[Billy Corben]

I'm with you. I have Hulu plus live TV, but Hulu is going away, so now my TV's going away. So do I sign on to Disney to do that? And then they're like, well, that'll be integrated into Fubu or Fubo. And I'm like, so now do I need to go to Fubo? Do I need to get clothing wear from the 1990s? Like, what the hell's going on here? So, like, I think now I need to go to Fubo that's owned by Disney. But then Fubo carries my RSNs, but didn't have a bundle with Disney Plus. So now do I have to have a Disney plus subscription, even though they're owned by Disney? And now do I get my RSNS back? So then do I cancel that subscription? And what the hell do I do about Red Zone? Because that's still very unclear to me.

[Mike Ryan]

So it appears that what you're all angry about, and we tried to cover this yesterday, is what the facts are. I thought where Mike was going is he was upset not about whether he's going to get it or not, but the fact that you could do a release that could be that unclear, that wrong and done as a result of the ESPN NFL release. Right. They wanted to get that done. So people started to see value in the dtc. But then they had to announce, wait a minute. We don't want to make people pay for the DTC Wrestling.

[David Samson]

It's 27 hours later at this point since the release came out, and I think we're all still pretty unsure of what's going on.

[Stugotz]

I'm more confused now than I was when the release first came out.

[David Samson]

Well, because when the release first reverse came out, I think we thought, oh, wow, we got to pay 2999amonth. Now we're not sure if that's the case.

[Stugotz]

I've never understood this new standalone service. ESPN is standing up because in my mind, they already do have one of these.

[David Samson]

That's what I thought.

[Stugotz]

I don't understand.

[David Samson]

I thought I had that.

[Mike Ryan]

I don't understand you talking to SPM plus.

[Stugotz]

Yeah, yeah. But there's like, a different service that they're trying to stand up that this and Red Zone are a part of. I thought I had that. I thought it was.

[David Samson]

I thought I did too.

[Stugotz]

I don't. I don't think. I don't know if I have that or not. The messaging is so bad. And these companies have come out and announced these things before they've been approved. Remember espn, HBO and Fox were all getting together and they had already announced it. They even had a name for it. And then it's not happening.

[David Samson]

Oh, yeah, it was going to be like some super channel, you know, venue, Right?

[Stugotz]

But then what ends up happening is, no, we're just gonna keep doing our own thing. And instead of bundling this all together, which by the way, would have been a new service anyways, what happens to your existing service? Those are still around too. You pay for those too. If you want to watch action, you. You pay for this. If you want to watch wrestling. I don't. This sucks. This really sucks. And also for these services, for you to get all the games, you also need to have cable too. I knew this was gonna happen in the industry. They were gonna find a way to con us. Everybody was talking about cord cutting and how ESPN was in big trouble because now people are gonna be paying for stuff that it was baked into the business plan. People were paying for ESPN when they weren't watching it. Now I'm paying for ESPN 17 different f ing times.

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[David Samson]

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[Mike Ryan]

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[Dan Le Batard]

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[Stugotz]

Boom.

[Dan Le Batard]

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[David Samson]

Batard Don Libertard this is largely pattern.

[Stugotz]

But we need to establish at least some reasonable doubt. Yes, exactly.

[Mike Ryan]

Everyone with a free story where he pays more than you do.

[Stugotz]

Stugats. I always, like, leave his hand on because he's so vulnerable. I just unfairly fade down the chickens to just leave him by himself.

[David Samson]

This is the D. Levatar show with.

[Billy Corben]

The st.

[David Samson]

Is it just me or, you know, I look over to David out of the corner of my eye and, like, he's got a smile. Like, I feel like David. David. He's excited about all the ways that we're going to have to.

[Dan Le Batard]

He looks jubilant right now for this service.

[Stugotz]

He loves all the new rules that make it impossible to cancel.

[David Samson]

I'm not the only one who noticed that, right? He's smiling.

[Stugotz]

He loves it.

[Mike Ryan]

I'm smiling because I'm with you guys and I enjoy it. But what I'm also smiling about is the sporting class which we do with John Skipper and Politoria finds out where we've made it very clear from the beginning that all of this, and we've been doing this for years, all of this was done with reckless disregard toward you, the fan, the audience. You were always going to pay more. That was always the joke. And now it's happening that you're all realizing it. And the tweet of the year. I don't know if we do this, but a candidate for a tweet of the year is someone who just tweeted the year.

[Billy Corben]

Do we do that?

[Mike Ryan]

We are now. It's a, this is a highlight tweet for me. Someone found out very much you, Billy, and it wasn't you who did it.

[Billy Corben]

But I didn't get the tweet of the year.

[Mike Ryan]

Damn. You did not, because you didn't tweet this. But it was someone who is channeling you because they were so despondent over the bundling and everything. They had to do that they said they're going back to cable. They're going to re. Tie the cord.

[David Samson]

Yeah, reconnect.

[Mike Ryan]

Reconnect.

[Stugotz]

I have it pretty bad because I'm a soccer year. I'm a big time soccer fan and big time soccer fans in this country, if you want to, if you want to follow that sport, you have to pay thousands of dollars.

[David Samson]

Thank you.

[Billy Corben]

And you never know when they're playing and what league they're in.

[David Samson]

You have to pay in the time zone.

[Billy Corben]

Oh, my gosh.

[Stugotz]

You have to pay thousands of dollars to follow the sport. I'm convinced someone may put the math in front of me and say, actually, it's only 749. No, I pay thousands of dollars annually to follow this sport. I have to. And they got me, they got me over a barrel. I don't even know how to cancel these things. I tried to cancel Dazn the other day. I'm locked in for a year. I canceled it, I think, but I canceled it a year from now. What is it? This is stupid. This is corrupt. And what I hate the most about it is people just come out and say things that are. So is this standalone service even? Is this functional? Do I have it? Does it exist? Is this something that's going to be announced later on? What is this?

[David Samson]

Okay, so that's the part that is confusing. All right? But, but I, I, I have to. I, I'm fairly certain the the bundle that you have right now, it's ESPN plus and Disney plus and Hulu. It's now going to be Disney plus and Hulu which are merging and you partner it with the new ESPN direct to consumer app. And in that event, you already have that. Like you're now going to be getting the WWE on that service that you already have.

[Billy Corben]

I'm fairly certain if he pays 17 for that bundle.

[David Samson]

Right.

[Billy Corben]

And. And ESPN's just 29 now. Does he have to pay $30 or does he have to pay 47?

[David Samson]

My guess. No, no, no. My guess is it's going up. So you're gonna have to pay the 29.99 instead of like 17.99.

[Stugotz]

I don't want to do that.

[David Samson]

Cancel Peacock.

[Stugotz]

Huh?

[David Samson]

Cancel Peacock.

[Stugotz]

I don't want to cancel Peacock because. And by the way, there's old WWE network that's not a part of this ESPN deal. We don't know about nxt. Yeah, Peacock may still.

[Billy Corben]

That's a hold up.

[Stugotz]

If I'm a wrestling fan, I still may need to have Peacock and I. I'm already stuck having Peacock because I'm a Chelsea fan. This is. This is. This is horrendous.

[Billy Corben]

I have an idea for you. The Lord's cable network.

[David Samson]

Yeah. Well, it's funny that you say that because. Yes, the Lord's cable network. I feel like. I feel like. Yeah, it used to just be cable.

[Billy Corben]

Yeah.

[David Samson]

It was a place where you go and you have everything. Why I have to go from this app to this app to. I wish I had a place where we have everything together. Yeah, it's called cable.

[Mike Ryan]

But, you know, you didn't. I just want to remind everyone, because this revisionist history makes me smile. The reason why these streamers started and why you all were so angry to start with was the tears and the fact that you weren't getting on basic cable, all the things you wanted to get, and they were moving channels up to tiers that were costing you way more money and you were getting a cable bill that was like 250 bucks.

[Stugotz]

I would kill to pay that right now.

[Billy Corben]

We pay now.

[Stugotz]

I would kill to pay that right now. Yeah, I. That is so much more affordable than what I'm paying. Right.

[David Samson]

I honestly have no idea what I pay. I got so no one does. I have no idea.

[Stugotz]

By a thousand brothers. That's a design. That's what they're counting on.

[Billy Corben]

Who do we blame?

[Stugotz]

We can't rise up. We can't rise up. We can't do anything about this. We were talking on nothing personal about how fans over in Europe, if you raise soda prices 25 cents, they will shut your shit down. They blew up the Super League.

[David Samson]

I don't know.

[Stugotz]

They will make sure that you do not raise the price of sodas 25 cents over there. Here. We're so battered and beaten by the system. What's the fees? Okay. I still want to see Taylor Swift. Whatever you told me. Yes, Ticketmaster. I don't care. This is the only way I can do it. Well, we're gonna make you pay $500 more to watch hockey. Okay, I guess I have to. We're so beaten by this system. We were price gouged. No one's fighting for us at all. And these things just keep getting announced. Whether or not they exist is outside of the fact this bullshit.

[Mike Ryan]

We did it.

[Stugotz]

And tko. Tko. A strong word of warning to tko. I like your product, but you keep doing these cash grabs ever since you became this entity. You're gonna push people to an alternative because every single one of your cash grabs ends up making the consumer pay more. Whether it be for your live events that are outrageously priced or now your ples. You're good. You're definitely gonna make me go to 17 different streamers to follow your product. I know where to find aew. It's one place. One place people are gonna. People are gonna search for that alternative.

[David Samson]

That's not entirely accurate what you say.

[Mike Ryan]

Don't get me.

[Stugotz]

It's on. It's on Max.

[David Samson]

Okay?

[Stugotz]

Which is now HBO Max.

[David Samson]

Have to go to an app to get their potential.

[Stugotz]

Yeah, but it's also on your basic cable package.

[David Samson]

The premium live events.

[Stugotz]

The premium live events. Look, they. They've always come out the gate saying, we're going to stick to the. The traditional pay per view model for. For wrestling.

[David Samson]

That's essentially what WWE is doing here. But it's on es. No, no, no.

[Stugotz]

WWE had that model and then they Change it to 999amonth and then it's in Peacock, and it's free with your Peacock. Peacock subscription. And now it might be anywhere between what you're paying now for Disney plus or $30. This is 176 price. A percent price increase on wrestling fans.

[Billy Corben]

Well, but I mean, pay per views used to cost like 49.99amonth if you wanted to see them.

[Mike Ryan]

So it's still like per event.

[Billy Corben]

Yeah, yeah, that's what I'm saying. There was one event a month you.

[Mike Ryan]

Didn'T have to watch.

[Stugotz]

And here's Another.

[Mike Ryan]

Here's another bone signing up.

[Billy Corben]

Well, people then they. When they changed the model, then it became 9.99amonth. And then it became like, well, if you have Peacock, you can watch it anyways. And Peacock was like 3.99amonth. If you picked it at the right time, Peacock is like. If you pay more than like $4 for peacock, you're a crazy person. You can find a deal on Peacock.

[Stugotz]

Always right.

[Billy Corben]

Shout out to Peacock.

[Stugotz]

Here's another bone I have to pick. I like the AEW product. I pay for their ples because they have a track record outside of maybe two in their history that haven't delivered. If you pay $49.99 or whatever, it's.

[David Samson]

Usually a fun show.

[Stugotz]

Yeah, it's always a fun show. Not the case with WWE. Get a handful of really good ones. And WWE's long term booking is everything centered around WrestleMania to the point that everything around the year outside of a surprise appearance, which I guess the Brock Lesnar thing makes a hell of a lot more sense before this announcement as a means to get people excited. But everything is basically revolving around WrestleMania, which makes the entire year relatively predictable. So I'm not going to pay extra for their po. It's going to get to that point. Look what, look what WWE did, which they didn't catch nearly enough shit for. They announced that WrestleMania was going to New Orleans, which I love as a WrestleMania city. That is so fun. Then they pulled it back. They're like, guess what? We're not gonna do New Orleans. But New Orleans, you get a shittier pay per view. Aren't you happy about that? And wrestling fans, you're gonna love this. We're gonna go back to Las Vegas. No, I'm not. I'm not gonna love that. No one wants to go to the same city twice in a row.

[David Samson]

I'm not trying to go to Vegas.

[Mike Ryan]

Everybody's trying to go to Vegas.

[Stugotz]

They just want to do the Vegas thing back to back because it's all on one stretch. And so they could do their little cash grabs around. Oh, we'll have a Hall of Fame here, we'll have a roast here, we'll have a nightclub hosting here. It's basically TKO central over there. They have the infrastructure and it just maximizes their revenue. And they don't care what it's done to their fan base in New Orleans. They don't care what it did to their fan base on the whole, because no one's super excited to go back to Las Vegas. They like the Traveling roadshow aspect of it. This is a dilution by pretty heavy degrees and it's gonna catch up to them.

[Mike Ryan]

Mike, are you okay?

[Stugotz]

No, I'm pissed off.

[David Samson]

Wrestling fans are very passionate.

[Mike Ryan]

This is not him. We've struck a chord here. It's not about wrestling. This was just the last two minutes of that. I believe he just blew a gasket. I think I watched a gasket get blown over this issue.

[David Samson]

Well, it's about greed is what he's doing. This is greed.

[Stugotz]

It's very clearly greed. And I think wrestling f can put up to that. Put up with that to a certain degree. But it's month over month of new cash grab and everything becoming more expensive as the economy dips. They're asking to stretch your dollar even more. There's an alternative right there. You're pushing people to an alternative. It's going to catch up with you.

[David Samson]

I mean, I'll tell you, David, my weekend in New York, seeing SummerSlam this past weekend, I'm afraid to look at what it cost me. I know I spent a lot of money. I'm afraid to look at what that bill was.

[Mike Ryan]

Most people keep track. They don't live in a zaz mansion. Yeah, I think what you need, Mike, I have an idea and I don't know if it's kosher, but I'd like to try it. I think that I know how to calm you down. I think you need to take a smelling salt.

[Stugotz]

That's on how smell.

[Billy Corben]

That'll do the opposite, I think.

[Mike Ryan]

I think that. Well, I thought that clears your. I thought it gives you more oxygen.

[David Samson]

It literally jacks you up.

[Billy Corben]

Yeah.

[Mike Ryan]

No, but don't you. That's like when you give a. A Ritalin to a person who doesn't have adhd. It has a different view, a different take than some.

[Stugotz]

I'll do that too.

[Billy Corben]

You should do some calming cocaine, Mike.

[Stugotz]

Is that a thing?

[Mike Ryan]

Yeah, if you take a lot of cocaine, I believe less cocaine. I think you should be taking more or less of certain things depending on your plight. And your plight right now is a little out of control.

[David Samson]

I've never done a smelling salt before. I don't. I don't. I mean, clearly the effect that it kind of. It wakes up your senses. Right? That seems to be. I see Sasha Barkov, he loves it on the Panther.

[Stugotz]

I'm very much in control. I'm passionate. This has really been. Because it's a mainstream story because the ESPN joint announcement that announced a whole bunch of things that don't either actually exist or were lies or haven't been worked out yet. This is the first time that I've been able to speak about all these things that have been bothering me for several months. And I think it's been bothering a huge segment of wrestling fans too. The product had been good enough the previous year where people are like, okay, well, if you're gonna make this experience that much better, because WrestleMania 40 was one of the greatest ever. WrestleMania 41 was terrible. It was. No, no, no. It wasn't disappointing. It was friggin awful. You want to run that back and you just want to do the lazy writing where we all know where this ends. A year from now, I'm gonna be out, man, and if you're gonna talk.

[Mike Ryan]

Only had a microphone every day for four hours.

[Stugotz]

I don't have the microphone to talk wrestling.

[David Samson]

Okay. I don't think you're gonna be out. Like, I'm gonna call bullshit on that.

[Stugotz]

I'm not gonna watch every ple. I'm not. If I have to pay additionally to watch every play, I'm not. I'm not.

[David Samson]

So let me, let me.

[Stugotz]

I need it to be explained to me that I'm not.

[David Samson]

Okay, okay. So let me ask David here. Okay. Because from a business perspective, you're not in those rooms. You don't know. But, but try and help us out here, because the big issue that Mike has an issue that I have, because we don't know is we don't know what we're paying. We're 27 plus hours later. We don't know if we have to actually pay 2999amonth now to get these WWPL. And we were previously only paying, what, 14.99. Whatever it was with Peacock. Yeah, because Peacock.

[Mike Ryan]

Billy said Peacock can be.

[Billy Corben]

You pay 14.99 for peacock?

[David Samson]

Well, yeah, because you got. You got to get like a good tier. But here. So here's my question.

[Billy Corben]

Oh, because you don't want commercials, right?

[David Samson]

Yeah, come on. So here's. I don't have time for that mess.

[Billy Corben]

You're a baby. I don't know, sit through commercials.

[David Samson]

I don't have time for that. I need my show streamed to me directly. So here's my question. Are executives in a room, you know, for wwe, TK or whatever, are they actually saying, all right, we're going to charge 29.99amonth now, which is double, at least double what people were paying before as a business model. Are they actually saying, we think that this is going to work, they will.

[Mike Ryan]

Pay double here's the thing that you guys are misunderstanding. It's called value. And there is elasticity of demand. Peacock is a great example. They've got such great programming that there are people. Everyone's got deals. Whether it is when you go buy clothes, whether it's online, you get emails. Buy this shirt. No one buys this shirt at retail.

[Stugotz]

Oh, I'm not leaving Peacock whatsoever. Peacock has enough things.

[Mike Ryan]

Even Peacock, which has all these opportunities that where you have a value proposition. I'm talking about the value proposition of what you get for your money. Whether it's to watch wrestling, to watch Chelsea, to go shopping, to do what, to watch a movie. All you're supposed to be doing and all we want you to do as a business and as a media company is to view what we provide to you as value. And it's up to you. And the people will talk, but the way you're talking, you're forgetting the fact that the people have talked.

[Stugotz]

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[Stugotz]

Some people think nature is like this, but actually, it's like this.

[Billy Corben]

Mother Nature is not all sunshine and rainbows.

[Stugotz]

Nature can be hotter than a sauna and colder than an arctic skinny dip. That's why Colombia engineers everything we make for anything nature can throw at you. Colombia engineered for whatever Don Lebanon stugats.

[David Samson]

Every cup game.

[Billy Corben]

And at what?

[David Samson]

This is the Dan Levatar show with the stugats.

[Stugotz]

I am not espousing the virtues of Vincent Kennedy McMahon, but they used to run house shows in markets where they knew they would lose money. And they did this well after it stopped making sense. You know why? Because they wanted the product to be accessible to everyone in their fan base, and they thought that it helped their bottom line as a brand. They've totally, essentially wiped out house shows.

[David Samson]

Why do you think that is?

[Stugotz]

Because they lost money on it, and they only care about the big markets.

[David Samson]

Whoa.

[Stugotz]

Right.

[David Samson]

Because I think it also has to do with. I mean, like, the performers.

[Stugotz]

The performers weren't super happy. Their lives are way more bad.

[David Samson]

It's a great thing for the performers.

[Stugotz]

It's a great thing for the performers. You know what else would be great for the performers? Health insurance and a union. But they're not getting that either.

[David Samson]

Don't work for me, brother.

[Stugotz]

Right, exactly. That's another part of Hulk Hogan's legacy, that he busted up Jesse Ventura's union attempt. What I'm saying is, I'm sure they have these board meetings, and I'm sure there's more than one voice. Let's give them credit. This is gonna make our fans pay more. I know as a wrestling fan, I've paid more to follow wwe specifically over the last few years since TKO came into the equation. And what I'm saying is, while zaz is probably right that I will look at the product, I'm a lifelong wrestling fan. I'm gonna pay. And ultimately, you as a capitalist, David, you'll be like, well, they gotcha.

[Mike Ryan]

Okay, fine. Hold on, Mike. That's where you're wrong. It's not that I got you. It's that you made a decision, and you're gonna keep making that decision until it's not even anymore. There will be a number where it won't matter that you like it. And our job is to get right to that product.

[Stugotz]

Product also has a say because while I'm a lifelong fan, there have been plenty of times that my interest in the product has dipped because the product did not match the time or effort or money that it would take to continue following the product. They flirted with that line last year. Now they had a very good SummerSlam. It looks like they're going to be aggressive about ramping things up. So they're not essentially a one ple company. I'm very happy about that. But there are going to be plenty of people of different means that are going to have to make decisions and be like, I can't afford to follow this anymore. And like I said, it's a dilution by degrees. We saw it initially with the Saudi Arabia stuff. I think that that's kind of waned a little bit. But this company has continuously made decisions that are based on the almighty dollar when this was, whether you believe it or not, more of a fan friendly company than it is now.

[David Samson]

I think it's hard to disagree with a lot of what he's saying.

[Mike Ryan]

I couldn't disagree more with almost 100%.

[Stugotz]

They are not as fan friendly as they used to be. They are not. They're flatly not.

[Mike Ryan]

But they, but they are fan friendly enough to fans who are spending the money that it makes sense for their financials.

[Stugotz]

They are absolutely trying to get a more affluent fan. Everything from the jelly roll integration, the celebrities that they bring in.

[David Samson]

Dude, 110,000 over the weekend sold the building out.

[Stugotz]

It's worked. It's working. And I think even as a sucker that is going to pay more. I'm telling you, I'm going to pay more. I'm going to follow this product. I also think that we all have the right to say, yeah, I'm going to pay more. You got me. I'm not happy about it. Why does everything with this company have to be a money pump?

[Mike Ryan]

What company does things where it's not a money pump?

[Stugotz]

Can Arizona iced tea.

[Mike Ryan]

Arizona.

[David Samson]

Okay, the only one.

[Mike Ryan]

Educate me.

[David Samson]

99 cents forever.

[Mike Ryan]

So Arizona. And I've never had an Arizona iced tea. Am I the only one in the room?

[David Samson]

I haven't either. I don't drink ice tea.

[Stugotz]

I don't drink ic.

[Mike Ryan]

How do you know what the price was then?

[David Samson]

Because it's a thing. They've always. They refuse to ever go above 99 cents.

[Mike Ryan]

And is the can size the same?

[Stugotz]

I'm not getting political, but it's like the tariffs. The importers pay the tariffs and then whatever companies that they're representing when they're importing these goods, they have to make the decision. Do we as a company want to make less money because these tariffs are eating into our margins or do we want to pass that down to the consumer? Now, WWE really doesn't have to deal with tariffs. They're just making the decision, let's make more money and pass that cost down to the consumers. I think the consumers who are lifelong fans that for most of their lives had a more family friendly experience with the product have every right to complain, while still, even when to the point that it hurts, hand over their money because they like the product so much. And I would just like someone to stand up in a room and say, hey, you know what? We hear you. Let's do some More fan friendly events, some more cost efficient events to offset some of this money pumping that they've been doing recently. And I've yet to see that from tko.

[David Samson]

I think what ultimately needs to happen because again, we're still confused a whole day later after this press release like, and I know WWE was all over television, yet they were all over ESPN yesterday.

[Stugotz]

Oh, they know how to shocking. They know how to put these things out.

[David Samson]

But somebody like needs to get in front of us soon and explain right? Like what we have to pay.

[Mike Ryan]

Why? Why explain to me.

[Stugotz]

I don't understand how you announce a product like a partnership. And we still don't know if this is a new standalone streaming service, the one that we already have.

[Billy Corben]

People announcing it didn't seem to know what they were announcing, which is the crazy.

[David Samson]

There's so much bad information we got.

[Billy Corben]

To announce this, but we don't know.

[Mike Ryan]

That'S what happens with the premature announcement. A premature announcement leads to like, well.

[David Samson]

Why do you think it was premature? Like was there a rush to get that out?

[Mike Ryan]

I, it felt rushed to me. It felt that it came at 7am it was done on CNBC and it was part of all of what was going on with ESPN and NFL. Remember it all came out at the. Generally at the same time. It felt rushed. And when I read the release and frankly the release on the NFL situation, selling, selling Red Zone, that wasn't a very clear press release either.

[Billy Corben]

What do I pay for Red Zone? We've gotten caught up on these ple. I still don't know about my Hulu and my Red Zone.

[Stugotz]

Mad suspicious that these companies are rushing to these announcements to get the stock value up up right now. It's almost as if they're all colluding behind the scenes and no shoes about to drop here at any moment. Let's get our money now. Also with tko, there might be more at play because they also own the ufc which has its own negotiation rights. And WWE apparently is going to continue shopping the WWE network, which is their entire archive, which presently lives on Peacock, which I watch more than the ples. I watch the old stuff more than I watch some new stuff.

[David Samson]

Well, think about this. This is where it gets confusing. Wherever the WWE library eventually lands and look, maybe it'll stay on Peacock. You Wherever it eventually lands. Are the new shows that are streamed on ESPN now. Where do those go in the catalog? Are they available then after the fact on ESPN or do they then go to the catalog which may be on another service?

[Stugotz]

We have a ton of questions no one's giving us answers. That's what this hour is going to be called, Questions.

[Mike Ryan]

That's fine. And I'm okay with consumers having questions because I assure you that answers come because sometimes the consumer can provide the answer. Cuz you vote with your pocketbook.

[Stugotz]

This isn't just. We're having this conversation through the prism of wwe. We could easily have said NFL the entire time. What does this mean for the red zone? I pay for the red zone with my cable company. Does it come with my ESPN Plus? Do I need to wait? I essentially initially got YouTube TV on top of my cable service because that was a way for me to get a specific type of red zone.

[David Samson]

I feel like I could answer it and that it does come with the new ESPN streaming service.

[Stugotz]

Okay, well, I'm excited. Look, look, here's something that's good. I know what I'm paying for with the NFL ESPN partnership because I know the NFL Network, I know the red zone. And Roger Goodell's out there saying, hey, apparently the red zone is intellectual property of the NFL. And now because of this merger, you're gonna get an NBA red zone. You're gonna get a college football red zone, an NHL red zone. I'm like, whoa, this is great.

[Mike Ryan]

They licensed it to Disney and Disney has the ability to use that license to however they want to maximize the money. So you are going to see more red zones.

[Stugotz]

That's great.

[Mike Ryan]

You should see college football red zone. A red zone. MLB whip around that.

[Stugotz]

That's great. I don't mind paying more for a premium service if it feels like I'm getting more. Where I think most consumers buck up against and have to make a hard decision where they may be handing over their money. Regrettably, they'll still hand over their money, which is I think the bottom line for all these companies. But do I have to pay more for the same or even less? That's where you're going to start losing people. And the economy's got to get tight. And these business models are not sustainable if they keep doing this.

[Mike Ryan]

Paying more for getting less is the American way. It happens in chip bags. It happens in all sorts of things. You have to look at volume of things. That's why I was asking about Arizona iced tea. Do we have confirmation that the 99 cents? How long has it been 99 cents?

[David Samson]

Forever.

[Mike Ryan]

Like, are we talking 20 years?

[David Samson]

There was recently, I remember maybe it was 60 minutes or something where the owners of Arizona. I feel like we were doing everything we can to never be above 99 cents.

[Mike Ryan]

And it's the same amount of iced tea in the can.

[Billy Corben]

I mean, it says since 1992, the towering 23 ounce can of Arizona Iced Tea has sold for 99 cents.

[David Samson]

It's pretty cool.

[Mike Ryan]

I. I mean, is that. That's nostalgia. Even the dollar store has things that are over a dollar. It just doesn't mean.

[Billy Corben]

Let me start on 5 below.

[Stugotz]

Geez.

[Billy Corben]

They have a 5 above section in the back, which would be a different store.

[Mike Ryan]

Why?

[Billy Corben]

And everything's like 555. That's not below 5.

[Stugotz]

But at least.

[Mike Ryan]

At least it's like in one section where you don't have to go to that section if you don't want to.

[Billy Corben]

Do I need to buy a couch at five Below? No, we don't need a section of five below where they sell furniture. That's not what I need at 5 below.

[Mike Ryan]

There are people who do that. Seems like you're being a little unrelatable. That seems like you're being a little like me.

[Billy Corben]

I don't need to go spend sixteen hundred dollars on a couch at five below. If you sell me a couch for five dollars or below, I'm in. Listen, I did a summer internship where I lived on an inflatable couch and an inflatable mattress because my place was unfurnished.

[David Samson]

That was the internship? To live on a. Yeah, yeah.

[Billy Corben]

It was volunteer. They didn't even pay me to do that. I just did it for fun. It was an internship for inflatable furniture.

[Mike Ryan]

But look what it got you.

[Billy Corben]

That's how they test you. What?

[Mike Ryan]

Look what it did. Look at your life.

[Billy Corben]

I would argue that it made my life worse. I was normal. I was grounded. And now look at me.

[Mike Ryan]

But you do this to yourself. You come back, show after show, day after day, year after year.

[Billy Corben]

Kids, man. If it wasn't for kids kind of holding me down, who knows where I'd be soaring right now.

[Mike Ryan]

I should have thought of that.

[Stugotz]

Well, I think you're overestimating how normal you were. You should have parent.

[Billy Corben]

Normal. I was.

[Mike Ryan]

Should have parented like David. Focus on your career.

[Stugotz]

I genuinely don't know what percent I'm not.

[Billy Corben]

We're in the same exact place. And my kids loved me.

[Stugotz]

I beat your kids in every game.

[Mike Ryan]

That was just wrong. I'm sorry, Billy. You've gone too far this time. They don't like me, but they love me.

[Stugotz]

They have to.

[Billy Corben]

They respect me. That's for dad.

[Mike Ryan]

I don't think they do that.

[Billy Corben]

Really?

[Mike Ryan]

I'm not convinced. I've got Big news about my children, but I don't know that I'm allowed to share because I didn't get permission.

[David Samson]

Just roll the dice.

[Billy Corben]

Yeah. Come on.

[Mike Ryan]

Who cares in advance? No, I'm proud of them.

[Billy Corben]

What's the, like, Venn diagram of, like, people that your kids are friends with that would receive this news and people that listen to us, like, I think that you could get away with. I break news all the time. I say things all the time. And unless, like, Mike Fuentes or someone decides to put on Social, my wife has no idea what I'm saying.

[David Samson]

That's how I roll, too. My wife doesn't listen to anything unless.

[Billy Corben]

It gets out on Social. They're never. They're not wives or not listen.

[David Samson]

No, but you know what also happens? Does this happen to your. You know, with your wife?

[Stugotz]

Wife?

[David Samson]

My wife, she finds out she doesn't listen to anything I do. I could say whatever I want, not just because she won't hear it, but because I'm also in charge. But my wife winds up finding out because you have snitches.

[Billy Corben]

Yeah.

[David Samson]

At her work.

[Billy Corben]

Yeah.

[David Samson]

There are snitches. Does that happen to you?

[Mike Ryan]

That's. Well, you were so strong in the snitches. Hey. Does that happen to you? It happens to everybody. That's exactly what social media is when you cause one. Did you see that? What? David said break some news.

[Billy Corben]

David. No.

[Mike Ryan]

Hey, snitch.

[Billy Corben]

Hey. No snitches allowed in this segment. Okay. Go, David. We're clear now. Break the news.

[Mike Ryan]

I'm just saying that it's possible that my son may or may not have done something that will enable him to maybe work on Wall Street. You have to pass a bunch of exams and maybe this morning. You've been vague.

[Billy Corben]

I have no idea what you mean.

[David Samson]

Yeah, it's a lot of maybes.

[Billy Corben]

I'm worried. It sounds like jail might be in the future there.

[Stugotz]

Oh, stop.

[Mike Ryan]

Because he's on Wall Street.

[Billy Corben]

I don't know. Lots of maybes. And allegedly sounds like he's going to.

[Dan Le Batard]

Be a part of all. All the stuff we're complaining about today.

[Mike Ryan]

Don't be ridiculous. He's part of the solution.

[Dan Le Batard]

Sure.

[Mike Ryan]

He's part of making Wall street always helps you pay as little money as possible to get as much as you can so that Mike doesn't blow a gasket because he's overpaying for stuff that he doesn't enjoy.

[Stugotz]

I genuinely don't know what I've been yelling about. I may be wrong. I don't know. I hate that. I don't know, loud noises. Control. I just know it's going to cost me more money. Yeah.