Local Hour: Pablo Torre Has Done It Again

Summary

The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz

Local Hour: Pablo Torre Has Done It Again

Date: September 11, 2025
Setting: Elser Hotel, Miami
Main Cast: Dan Le Batard, Stugotz, Chris Cote, Billy Gil, Zaslow, and others

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Episode Overview

This episode dives into Pablo Torre’s latest bombshell investigative reporting on alleged NBA salary cap circumvention involving Steve Ballmer, the LA Clippers, and Kawhi Leonard. The crew unpacks new evidence from Torre's podcast, explores the broader implications for the NBA, discusses the cultural context after the assassination of Charlie Kirk, and delivers their signature blend of South Florida sports talk, workplace comedy, and absurdist banter.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Pablo Torre’s Clippers Investigation

[01:02, 08:57, 20:19, 21:27, 26:19, 27:19]

• The cast reacts as Pablo Torre drops another revelatory podcast episode—this time dropping detailed financial evidence implicating Clippers minority owner Dennis J. Wong and Steve Ballmer in a side deal allegedly circumventing NBA salary cap rules to land Kawhi Leonard.
• Chris: "Pablo's got a paper trail that I guess you can contort yourself into trying to explain away. But... it's almost impossible to ever have something that looks this much like evidence on rule breaking." [01:48]
• Torre’s reporting uncovers:
  • Clippers have only one minority owner: Ballmer’s college roommate, Dennis J. Wong, with just 1%.
  • Suspiciously-timed wire transfers—$1.99M from Wong, followed quickly by $1.9M to Kawhi Leonard’s camp.
  • The revelation that the deal isn't illegal in the traditional sense, but violates NBA rules.

Notable Reactions

• Dan: “Thank you for doing that. Now I don’t actually have to listen to Pablo’s podcast.” [02:52]
• Chris: Wonders if the Clippers will use Wong as the “scapegoat.”
• They debate the likelihood and scale of potential NBA consequences (for Ballmer and the franchise).

Data Points & Speculation

• Comparison to other NBA owners and their distance from hands-on infractions.
• Examination of Clippers’ suspicious minority ownership structure.
• Analysis of after-effects: “Why does Ballmer have to play by their rules?” [03:48]
• Ongoing inside jokes about whether Ramona Shelburne really traveled to Bristol for an interview (a minor yet much-debated plot point for the crew).

2. Fallout & NBA Ramifications

[27:19–28:27]

• Dan: “But what’s the ultimate punishment? Do you think they’re going to take the Clippers from Steve Ballmer? Is this just going to be like a hefty fine?”
• Chris: “No, no, no. It won’t be just a fine. This kind of proves...”
• Discussion moves to hypothetical NBA responses — loss of draft picks, significant fines, broader effect on Adam Silver’s leadership.
• Circumstantial evidence includes Kawhi’s games played—usage before/after the payout strongly suggests extra “motivation.”
• Reference to similar negotiations Kawhi’s camp (led by Uncle Dennis) attempted with other franchises, demanding all sorts of perks and ownership stakes.

Notable Quotes

• Dan: “He got healthy. He’s getting paid like $40 million. So you’re telling me his paycheck’s not enough, but that $1.2 million from the tree company is like, well, now I’m going to earn the rest of my…?” [24:04]
• Chris: “It’s about the totality of the deal… it's bookie logic.” [24:18]
• Pablo’s reporting includes bank statements and documentation rarely seen in high-level pro sports investigations.

3. Broader NBA Culture: Circumvention Runs Deep

[25:48–27:00]

• Reference to Kawhi and his camp’s notoriously aggressive contract demands (including ownership stakes from Raptors, Leafs).
• Parallels to rich, “country club” NBA team owners and a culture of pushing (or ignoring) the rules.
• Pablo’s move presented as uniquely effective: evidence, public attention, and new pressure for Adam Silver (NBA Commissioner).

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4. National Tragedy Discourse: The Charlie Kirk Assassination

[11:14–18:32]

• Somber reflection on the public assassination of Charlie Kirk, comparing national mood and the horror of graphic news footage to post-9/11 trauma.
• Chris: “On the 21st, fourth anniversary of 9/11... the last time I felt quite like this in terms of just horrified and sad about the state of America. When Charlie Kirk is assassinated like that... I don't know which feeling is stronger inside of me, sad or scared...” [11:14]
• The team discusses media response, the inescapable viral nature of the killing, and its divisive societal aftermath.
• Worries about “snuff film” normalization, internet discourse immediately becoming political, the trauma for Kirk’s family and children.

Memorable Excerpts

• Chris: “Everything's a video game, everything's a cartoon. You're disconnected from humanity in a way that you see a snuff film like that. It's horrifying.” [12:13]
• Billy: “Seeing the actual video of it 1000% adds to the horror of it… then I became mad throughout the day yesterday…” [13:17]
• Zaslow: “You go to school and you're like, oh, you're Charlie Kirk's kids. Did you see the way he got killed?” [18:01]

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5. Dolphins Despair & Painful Local Football Context

[36:03–38:46]

• The crew predicts Miami Dolphins fans will boo the team very early at their home opener — perhaps even before the first offensive play.
• Dan: “Coin toss. They lose the coin toss and they're going to hear it. I think there's carryover. They haven't seen this team yet at home, so there's going to be carryover.” [36:15]
• Jokes about “putting it on the pole” for listeners: Over/under 1.5 drives before the booing begins.
• Historical context: Miami fans have booed preseason QBs, showing a long history of frustration.
• Discussion about who within the Dolphins organization—Coach Mike McDaniel, GM Chris Greer, or even Tyreek Hill—might be the first “scapegoat” if the team starts 0–2.

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6. Workplace Antics & The Billy Gill FIU Experience

[44:09–48:17]

• Celebration of Billy Gill’s sideline reporting/broadcast work for FIU football, featuring classic local references, awkward banter, and Billy’s self-deprecating humor.
• Extended joke about Zaslow misspelling COO “Bimmel” as “Himalayan” in an email, with riffs about made-up quarterback names.

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7. Absurdist In-Jokes and Meta Commentary

Throughout, but especially [28:27–33:23]

• Running bit about Pablo Torre’s love of complex reporting, Harvard allegiances, and Zaslow’s conspiracy theorizing about why Pablo “really” went after Ballmer and Kawhi.
• Zaslow: "Pablo's hatred for Kawhi Leonard turned Steve Ballmer into collateral damage at the Harvard Club that now he cannot join together with Pablo." [29:56]
• Group tries to define what an "LLP" is in the midst of the NBA business discussion.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Chris: “There's never this kind of paper trail. Usually people in this position of power, seventh richest man in the world... they can keep a long, long distance.” [03:48]
• Dan: “This is, again, going to be the biggest story in sports of the day. But please turn down that sound for a second.” [11:12]
• Chris: "You can sit here and lament how bad a coach you think he is. He's getting collateral damage on architecture here—that is an owner and a GM who have been failing for a long time." [40:08]
• Dan: “I've seen this coach be good and you can say that he's... that he can't make adjustments, but I've seen him score 70.” [43:01]
• Billy: “Paws up, Corey Brooks!” (On his FIU broadcast persona) [44:50]

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Important Segment Timestamps

• 01:02 – 05:00 – Initial reaction to Pablo Torre’s new Clippers expose.
• 08:57 – 10:22 – Discussion of Ballmer’s rare vulnerability and the logistics of the Shelburne interview.
• 11:14 – 18:32 – Deep, emotional discussion on sharing & processing the Charlie Kirk video assassination.
• 20:19 – 27:00 – Full breakdown of the new revelations from Pablo’s podcast, the circumstantial evidence against the Clippers, and ramifications for the NBA.
• 36:03 – 38:46 – Dolphins fans’ propensity to boo, and local football woes.
• 44:09 – 48:17 – Billy Gill’s FIU broadcast highlights and signature comedic delivery.

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Tone & Flow

• The episode is heavy on sports investigative intrigue and the relentless local self-deprecation familiar to long-time listeners.
• There’s a strong emotional undercurrent in discussing the Kirk tragedy, tempered by unapologetically irreverent segues and gallows humor.
• The banter is fast, overlapping, and full of callbacks, with several extended in-jokes.
• Tonally, it oscillates between playful, sarcastic, earnest, and self-aware.

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For Listeners Who Missed It

• This episode is a high-water mark for leveraging Torre’s journalism as both topic and comic fodder.
• It's insightful for anyone interested in NBA machinations, media culture, or the lived emotional aftermath of public violence in America’s digital age.
• Local Miami and Dolphins fans will recognize the despair and gallows humor regarding football and franchise dysfunction.
• The show’s ability to pivot between the tragic, the absurd, and the mundane is on full display.

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Summary in Six Words:
Pablo exposes, Miami despairs, jokes ensue.

Transcript

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[Chris]

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[Dan]

It's an excellent point.

[Chris]

Oh my God, no. Like, they've got to be checking it. He is so far ahead on this story. And now what he dropped this morning, I would urge you right now, if you're listening to this, just go listen to that.

[Dan]

Yeah, don't listen to us.

[Chris]

Just like. Because he's got him cornered like he's got a paper trail that I guess you can contort yourself into trying to explain away that the Clippers and Ballmer were doing something that is going to take a magic dance from them in crisis in public relations to prove to the NBA that Pablo didn't just do the entire investigation that the NBA is going to have to do for the NBA.

[Billy Gil]

So are you speaking directly at Mark Cuban here? Is that. Is that what you're doing?

[Chris]

Oh, no, I'm just team Bomber. I yeah, team team. Dennis Wal Wong. Now he's going to have to tweet out because Ballmer's college roommate and the only other person who has a percentage of the clippers. Ballmer owns 99% and this guy owns 1%. His name's on the money. That's going to aspiration in a way that Pablo tracks down. That is hard. It's just, it's almost impossible to ever have something that looks this much like evidence on rule breaking.

[Dan]

Oh, thank you for doing that. Now I don't actually have to listen to Pablo's podcast. I can keep it locked right here.

[Chris]

What was the most shocking thing to use as low? Because seeing seeing the tie together of there's no way that Ballmer didn't know that his college roommate and the person that he trusts with 1% of the franchise, it's just impossible to think that that person was acting alone. And I think the Clippers might need him as a scapegoat.

[Billy Gil]

My the most shock I don't have. Shocking. But the most interesting part to me, because I'm obviously rooting for Pablo in this spot. The most interesting part to me was the timeline where on this date, they have no money. They're laying people off. On this date, Uncle Dennis, where's my money? And on this date, all of a sudden, this Dennis J. Wong comes swooping in with his $1.99 million payment. And then the timeline of right after that, Kawhi gets his 1.9 million.

[Chris]

There's never this kind of paper trail. Usually people in this position of power, seventh richest man in the world I told you about Prokhorov minutes, no computer, they can keep a long, long distance. That will give them the ability to deny things. But one of the reasons I think this one's so interesting is at least in part because this isn't illegal. It's just illegal according to the NBA. And why does Ballmer have to play by their rules? Like, I know they have a construct in the country club, but clearly he's like, yeah, I don't care the rules, whatever. They're your rules. But there's not something illegal here that I'm doing. I'm just breaking the rules of the NBA. It's illegal according to NBA. It's not going to cause me any ramifications outside of the rules of the NBA.

[Dan LeBatard]

It's just sad, right? Like, you bring in your friends and your trusted, like, closest people, and then they betray you like this. Like, you don't know what they're doing. They put you in these impossible spots and now you have to answer for what your friend did.

[Billy Gil]

He's got to sit there and sweat under the lights with Ramona Shelburne. Tough.

[Dan LeBatard]

Does Pablo have a sports calendar? Like, does he not know tonight's commies? Packers.

[Chris]

What a game.

[Dan LeBatard]

Billy, that's crazy that we've decided today is the day to release this information with this Thursday night, very quietly.

[Zaslow]

By the way, Amazon has said there's no more trash games on Thursday night. We got bangers Thursday night.

[Billy Gil]

That's a good point.

[Zaslow]

Last weekend or last week we had Dallas and Philly. Today we've got packers and commies.

[Billy Gil]

Wait till we get Dolphins, bills in two weeks.

[Dan LeBatard]

I think Whitworth came in, he signed the papers and they said, you know what we can't keep. We can't keep wasting Whitworth's time with these garbage games. He needs prime time. He's out of here.

[Dan]

When you bring in Andrew Whitworth, you got to bring. Bring the noise.

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[Chris]

I will get to the stuff in sports and locally and Pablo Torre dropping another Pablo on the clippers with a 5am release this morning. That is really damning and you have to contort yourself in order to try and figure out how to defend the Clippers. I would not want to be in their PR crisis meetings on they're learning things through Pablo that are being chased at 2 o' clock in the morning. And Pablo is so far ahead of this story and has all the documentation on it. We'll get to that in just a second.

[Billy Gil]

Palmer flew all the way to Bristol the next day last time. Where's he flying today?

[Chris]

Well, Billy doesn't believe that. Billy thinks it was an LA studio.

[Billy Gil]

I think it was Bristol.

[Dan LeBatard]

Ramona lives in la. Ramona flew to Bristol also.

[Billy Gil]

They don't have those studios anymore.

[Dan LeBatard]

They do have it for the NBA show still. They canceled SportsCenter but it was reported still do the NBA show.

[H]

Pablo said in the episode like we made him fly across the street.

[Dan]

I don't know why. You know, you refuse to believe the journalism behind him flying to Bristol.

[Dan LeBatard]

I don't believe that he flew to Bristol.

[Chris]

There are plenty people questioning me.

[Dan LeBatard]

The flight log.

[Billy Gil]

You and Cuban are in on this together.

[Dan LeBatard]

It sounds like also that's like an insignificant portion of this story.

[Dan]

I know, but you're really hung up.

[Dan LeBatard]

On and while there are no I Mean, you guys pointed out. I didn't point it out. I just said one time I don't think he flew to Bristol. I think he did it in the LA studio.

[Dan]

I don't think it's. Once I'm reporting that exclusively.

[Dan LeBatard]

We can get hung up on this if you want.

[Chris]

So just, just to be clear, because I believe the reason that he's reporting that part of the story is simply to point out that the seventh richest man in the world doesn't have to dance to crisis very often. And he's in trouble because when you hear this episode, you'll be like, oh my God, this is even clearer than it was before. That they are shrouded and engulfed. And we'll call it circum evidence, but it's as close to documentation and a paper trail as I've ever seen on. On something that looks like this. And we're talking about an amount of money that's extraordinary. But we will get into that story. It's again going to be the biggest story in sports of the day. But please turn down that sound for a second.

[Dan LeBatard]

There is Commies and Packers tonight.

[Chris]

Yeah, you mentioned that. But mood of the country. And on the 21st, fourth anniversary of 9 11, which I'm gonna say is the last time I felt quite like this in terms of just horrified and sad about the state of America. And I will not make today about gun control and I won't make today about politics. I'm simply going to tell you that when Charlie Kirk is assassinated like that, and I'm watching it on the Internet and as horrifying a thing as you.

[Billy Gil]

Will see, it might be the worst thing I've ever.

[Chris]

It's as horrifying a thing as you will see on the Internet. And without even knowing yet the suspect, I can tell you this much, that was precision on killing someone in a way that maybe that person could have gotten to a hospital. But I feel like that was dead if he had landed on the operating table right behind him. Just because of the precision of what happened there. So totally horrifying thing to watch. And I don't know which feeling is stronger inside of me, sad or scared, because I know. Because what happens immediately after that, because we're so connected to the Internet, because people are so lonely and because there's like a lack of humanity in the air, whether it's a health care CEO killed in the street, everything's a video game, everything's a cartoon. You're disconnected from humanity in a way that you see a snuff film like that. It's horrifying. And immediately the conversation that starts, it's either about gun control or right and left. It's like, no, that's. That's where we are. That. That's where we are as a country where we're going to start. I'm not going to say normalizing that, but we did this with the health care CEO where all of a sudden, the conversation afterward, everything's content. It feels like I'm living in Natural Born Killers, like the movie Natural Born Killers with Woody Harrelson. It feels Oliver Stone. It feels like I'm living inside of it.

[Billy Gil]

Like you didn't know if you were sad or mad. It made me sad, the whole thing. And by the way, like, seeing the actual video of it 1000% adds to the horror of it. Like, if we only had the video. That far away video, which was the first one that I saw, it's like, holy shit. But then when you see the other videos, it's a completely different story than at that point. And then I became mad throughout the day yesterday because I just. I just don't understand the whole reaction. Oh, well, you know, you weren't upset when that happened. You weren't upset when that happened. And that. That went from me to being like, sad about this man and the family and. And it made me mad. Just a lot of the reaction I saw.

[Dan]

People like to disassociate when things like this happen. We don't have video off, and it makes it easy to disassociate. That's what that looks like. And I'm also scared, too, because they apprehended two people and they released them. This is, as Dan mentioned, this was a very dangerous individual that is still at large. And the longer this thing goes without a suspect in custody, the crazier the online theories will get. The worse the rhetoric will get, the more kooky theories people apply to this. And it's a. It's a scary time, no doubt.

[Billy Gil]

I don't normally do this. I, you know, my son. My younger son sent me. My younger son's 13. He. We love watching south park together. So he knows who Charlie Kirk is because they had an episode this season centered around Charlie Kirk. And so my son sends me a message. He's at the gym. He sees it on T Goes, you know, Charlie Kirk is the dead. And I wrote him back, and I said, have you seen the video? And he said, I have not. And I said, and I don't normally do this. We're pretty liberal in our house as far as what information we share and what we talk about. And I told my son, I go, I'd prefer you didn't watch the video. And so today I think he's listened to me. I don't think he's seen it yet.

[Chris]

I will also say by context, because I don't want to be prisoner of the moment as I'm talking about the 24 years between 9 and 11 and this. There is daily horrifying video coming out of Gaza. And there is plenty on the Internet that is horrifying. And I think a lot of people react to it in much the same way that they react to what they just saw with Charlie Kirk, because it feels like we're in a simulation here where things that you're watching in video, they're like, that can't be. So that's something out of the movies. That's something out of cartoons, that's something out of, you know, a computer artificial intelligence, where things that you're watching on video that become so very real leave you with a film on you that you can't quite get off of you.

[Dan]

I mean, the dialogue around this, it's going political. I mean, cable news is a wasteland right now. I think everybody had the same pit in their stomach and some progressives had a pit in their stomach for different reasons. Conservatives. This guy represented a movement for some people. This one's connecting more with people, I guess because of the video. That is inescapable. I know people. I'm very close to people I know I'm very close to people that have tried to avoid this video. And they open up ig and it's the first video.

[Billy Gil]

It's so I didn't think it was real at first. I thought, okay, I saw the one video where it's from far away. Okay, now I'm seeing this one. That's close. I was. I thought maybe it was doctored for just sensationalist.

[Dan]

It's inescapable. And the pit in my stomach isn't just for the. His family, but also knowing what was going to follow, knowing the toxicity around it, knowing that it's only going to further division, knowing that it's going to be used because he is going to be made into a martyr already.

[Chris]

No, already is. There already are T shirts and it. And he already has been martyred. And it needs to be pointed out and doesn't have to be a trilogy because this is horrifying. And you don't want to go too soon with some of this stuff. But he has also said an enormous number of heinous things or did say an enormous number of heinous things and was a divider who was in support of white men and very little else. And that's, you know, whether you want to believe, funded by billionaires, whether you want to believe that this was somebody who actually believed what he said or didn't believe what he said, it is so that he was basically espousing viewpoints the entirety of his famed life that were anti everything except white men. That is context here without making it any worse than it already is.

[Dan]

They're still tragic.

[Chris]

Yeah. And still. And still a human being being. Just like the healthcare CEO was a human being. And the delight and the celebration of seeing that video is something that I cannot get behind.

[Zaslow]

And Mike, Mike mentioned too, like his family had two young kids and the fact that you grow up with a very, a very quick look at the way your father was murdered online. When you get to a certain age or when you go to school and you're like, oh, you're Charlie Kirk's kids. Did you see the way he got killed?

[Billy Gil]

Yeah, that's their life.

[Zaslow]

Let me go show you how your dad was murdered in 4K. Like that's something that those kids and that family has to live with forever in a way that nobody can really understand.

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[Chris]

We are gonna talk to Senator Mark Kelly about this later, and I don't know how to exactly segue out of that into the nonsense that we every day. So I will do so clumsily and I will tell you again before we get to Darren Waller and how soon people are going to be booing on Sunday if the Dolphins go three and out on the first drive. I do want to get back to Pablo's story today because once again, with his parasol and his rhythmic gymnastics ribbon, he dances around for 25 minutes at the top of an episode before telling you what the news is that he's got. He put all that a hook in. Come on. He put all of the news of his latest information, he put it toward the back end of the episode. David Sampson will be here. He was with Amin. It's a great combination of people that he has because there's some real expertise there on basketball and business that helps walk Pablo through some stuff that makes what could be difficult subject matter entertaining. But says, what were your takeaways today with the 5am Pablo drop top of Pablo Torre finds out.

[Billy Gil]

Oh, I mean, my biggest takeaway was I can't believe that we actually found like there was pretty good, what I would say evidence in the first episode and we maybe have even better evidence in this one. So I didn't expect that. And that being that there's only one minority owner with the Clippers and he owns 1%. That's. That's it. But this is very rare in sports. Usually have a lot of minority owners. All right, Steve Ballmer owns 99.

[Chris]

What do you mean by minority?

[Billy Gil]

You know what I mean. And this guy Wong, he's a close friend, the closest friend of Steve Ballmer, apparently from back in school, college roommate. And he owns the only other 1%.

[Chris]

That one. Those two details there, though, those two particular details. I don't know which one's more damning. I think it's 1975. College roommate is more Damning than. And he owns only 1% of the Clippers, but is the only one who owns another percentage.

[H]

And Wong claimed to know nothing about aspiration, while his daughter, who works very hard, works at aspiration.

[Dan LeBatard]

Right, well, there you go. He was supporting his daughter's company.

[Billy Gil]

Well, that would be the counter, which makes sense coming from you. You're Team Bomber. Just say you're Team Bomber.

[Dan LeBatard]

What do you mean you're Team Bomber?

[Billy Gil]

You know what I mean.

[Dan LeBatard]

Listen, all I know is this, you guys have relationships with Ramona. You could very easily text her and say, hey, where'd you conduct that interview? And for some reason you guys are not doing that.

[Chris]

Okay, but it's 6 o', clock part.

[Dan LeBatard]

Of the COVID up. What's going on?

[H]

I thought she's in Bristol.

[Chris]

Okay, I'm going to do it now and I'm get you an answer. And let's see, that's a good. Before the end of the show, let's get make sure Dan Levitar finds out whether. No, Billy Gill finds out that Pablo Torre found out wrong. We can have another.

[Dan LeBatard]

I'm not here to discredit people. I'm here for the truth.

[H]

That would undercut the whole story.

[Dan LeBatard]

I mean, if that was an act.

[Dan]

Yes, like, because if that's untrue, it would undercut his.

[Dan LeBatard]

I hope Adam Silver is not listening because this whole thing may fall apart.

[Billy Gil]

Adam Silver, you. You want to talk about head in the sand?

[Dan]

This is definitely a test for Adam Silver. In this episode we learned that at the the board of governors meeting that they had.

[Billy Gil]

What's the test? Are you the salt this commissioner? Are you definitely the salt this commission?

[Dan LeBatard]

Whoa.

[Dan]

Didn't mention this in front of the board of governors. And it led to side conversations. Here's an interesting bit of circumstantial evidence. We all know this is hard to parse because Kawhi Leonard is so often injured, but the game logs from that season are pretty damning because before he received the alleged payment and he only played in seven of 27 games. And then December 10th rolls around and then he's good for 45 of the 55 games. He goes from 26% of the games played that season to 82%.

[Dan LeBatard]

But the thing about that is, like, he got healthy. He's getting paid like $40 million. So you're telling me his paycheck's not enough, but that $1.2 million from the tree company is like, well, now I'm going to earn the rest of my.

[Chris]

1.75 million here's where I'll.

[Dan]

Here's where I'll buck up against it because it's not about the 1.7 million. It's about the totality of the deal and the int of that. We had this side deal and you guys aren't coming through on that. So while yeah In a vacuum 40 is so much more than 1.7. No, no, no. We had a deal. You're supposed to give me payments. It's a, it's bookie logic.

[Chris]

Let me backtrack for a second because what is now happening as reporters chase this story is Bruce Arthur in Toronto. I can't wait till they get to the San Antonio reporters because we still don't know know the details on why he left San Antonio or how because he speaks so little. This, this is a perfect mystery on guy who's straight commerce and has a representative who does not care about what your structure is because Toronto is saying that they were asking for all sorts of things. Ownerships of Maple Leaf wanted to own the Maple Leaf. They were just, they were just kept asking for stuff. And it's really comically amusing when you think of it this way.

[Dan]

The thought of Kawhi Leonard being brought in on whether or not they should re sign Mitch Marner.

[Chris]

When you think of a guy from the inner city with giant hands and an uncle as a representative walking through these rich rooms silently cuz he doesn't speak and is a mystery and says and he's, he's doing like did you guys ever see when Michael Jackson went to Las Vegas and just started buying everything in one of the gift shops for a mill? Everything cost a million dollars and he just went around point pointing at everything.

[Dan]

That gift shop still there. And they have the video of him doing the thing.

[Chris]

Kawhi Leonard is walking into the structure of rich people want me. I'm a champion. I'm LeBron. But I'm not going to play it like LeBron. Uncle Dennis. Get in there. Ask for what? Everything. Everything. I want Canada. I want to own a portion of Canada. Just keep asking rich people for something and look at what Ballmer would do because he wants to be relevant in sports with his plaything.

[Dan]

So we have a player who like it was well documented as it was happening by the way that he was asking for things that circumvented the salary cap. And I guess we were all okay with that because surely when he finally signs a contract they'll abide by the rules. So now you have all this reporting from Toronto. We recall what he was asking for from the Lakers and now you have this story. So he signed with a team while he was asking for all of that other stuff while they were pursuing him. Him, he landed on a team and you have pretty strong evidence to suggest he had a side deal and there was circumvention. And now furthermore, I think this episode is even more damning than the initial report because of the paper trail that you alluded to.

[Billy Gil]

I agree.

[Dan]

The very tight circle that Steve Ballmer.

[Billy Gil]

Has, like you never had an actual bank statement from Steve Ballmer. You now have a bank statement, ok, which is registered to this, Dennis J. Wong's llp. Like literally him. It's a bank statement from his company.

[Dan LeBatard]

I get that this is like juicy and there's all of this information and evidence, but what's the ultimate punishment? Do you think they're going to take the Clippers from Steve Ballmer? Is this just going to be like a hefty fine? Because if it's a hefty fine.

[Chris]

No, no, no. It won't be just a fine. This is. This, this kind of proves it's not.

[Dan LeBatard]

A crime that's been committed. If taxes were paid on this and all of that, then this wasn't like they were evading anything. Just NBA rules, who cares?

[Chris]

But. But the NBA is going to come down hard on him. You mentioned the board of governors meeting. And again, I, if you're just joining as Pablo Torre finds out, has unleashed another Pablo this morning. And I don't think it's as damning as the original episode and the original news, but I do think it feels now that we have all of the context and information, it does feel like this is closer to being the truth than whatever felt like the bullshit of spin that Ballmer was trying to do with Ramona Shelburne in either Los Angeles or Bristol. We have not confirmed that yet.

[Billy Gil]

Bristol.

[Zaslow]

Dan, I wanted to make something apparently clear, abundantly clear. My bad. I'm doing a. Tony finds out about Pablo's finds out. I'm working on a little bit of a theory here and I think what this is is Pablo's hate for a specific person. Well, no, because I wrote upside down. So Dan, let, let go with me here for a second. What does Pablo like more than anything?

[Chris]

Attention.

[Zaslow]

Being right about something.

[Chris]

Not well, that's close, but attention people.

[Dan LeBatard]

He went to Harvard.

[Zaslow]

Now holding on. Now you're close. You're getting closer, Billy. All right, so Pablo's one true love, himself being right in 15,000 words or more.

[Dan LeBatard]

Right.

[Zaslow]

What does that make you think of, oh, the one time that he wrote that 20,000 word piece about the Process. Okay, so Pablo loves the Process, right? Kid born in New York City, all of a sudden becomes a Philly fan. What's that about? All right, now we go a little bit further up. Who killed the Process?

[Dan]

Joel Embiid's name? Knees.

[Chris]

Ben Simmons.

[Zaslow]

Close, close. The shot that Kawhi Leonard hit, all of a sudden. All of a sudden, Wait a second. Pablo's like, I hate him.

[Dan LeBatard]

Yeah.

[Zaslow]

Why not? Because of the Sixers. Because I'm wrong about the Sixers.

[Dan LeBatard]

The Process is dead. Now.

[Zaslow]

Who killed him?

[Billy Gil]

Kawhi Leonard.

[Zaslow]

But here's the issue.

[Dan LeBatard]

What?

[Zaslow]

And this is why he had to go after somebody he like, likes. Balmer. Where'd Balmer go to school?

[Dan LeBatard]

Oh, Harvard.

[Zaslow]

Okay.

[H]

Omg.

[Zaslow]

They stick together, right? They're Harvard guys. Stick together. But Pablo's hatred for Kawhi Leonard turned Steve Ballmer into collateral damage at the Harvard Club that now he cannot join together with Pablo. Right, like they can't be in the. In the Harvard Club at the same time.

[Chris]

So he was Collateral Conspiracy falls apart a little bit after the Kawhi shot.

[Dan]

Kawhi shot?

[Chris]

You were on your way to becoming.

[Dan LeBatard]

Still finding out. He hasn't said that he found out.

[Zaslow]

It's collateral damage.

[Dan LeBatard]

He's still collateral damage.

[Zaslow]

Thank you.

[Billy Gil]

Admittedly, you shouldn't have added the last part.

[Chris]

Yes, that's the.

[Zaslow]

It was about the Harvard Club.

[Dan LeBatard]

Did have us.

[Chris]

And then you were on your way to becoming Alex. Honest. And then your conspiracy theory all fell apart. I want to get. He used the voice modulator again. He's got good sources inside of Aspiration. Pablo does. And I. I. Forgive me. Perhaps rising corporate giant Zaslow has more familiarity with business than I do. I don't know what an LLP is. What llp, It's.

[Billy Gil]

Well, there's an llc, which I have a businessman, and then there's also an llp.

[Chris]

So wait, you're a journalist, you're a lawyer, you're a judge, you're a race war expert. Race war expert. And you're a businessman.

[Billy Gil]

Yeah, I have an llc.

[Zaslow]

He's a businessman.

[Billy Gil]

A businessman.

[Chris]

So llp. I don't know what that is.

[Billy Gil]

There's LLC and there's llp.

[Zaslow]

What is llc, Dan?

[Chris]

Limited Liability Corporation.

[Zaslow]

What's LLP now?

[Dan]

A longer album. Limp.

[Zaslow]

Limited Liability Partnership.

[Chris]

Okay, thank you, Zazzle. I appreciate your expertise in this matter.

[Dan LeBatard]

He did find out the Harvard Club thing.

[Zaslow]

There's something there.

[Dan]

Dan, I'm going to Keep working, you.

[Chris]

You guys will be surprised to know that even though Zaslow has been someone everyone's noticed around here and elsewhere, everyone in the media, everyone's noticing that Zazzle is making a mark, and they're noticing Zaslow and Zazzle's rising up in the media and at our company. Company. And the other day, for the first time, he was interacting with our COO via email. I introduced them and. And so our CEO, our COO's name is Bimmel. A nice guy, and this was great. Bimmel. Bimmel is spelled simply B I M, A L. I don't know what's going on with Zazlow. Spell check. I don't know what's going on with his eyes and his roof. Reading. He only wrote a sentence by way of introduction to meeting Bimmel. And the way that it begins is instead of, hi, Bimmel. Hi, Himalayan.

[Dan]

Unfortunate.

[Chris]

Autocorrect didn't even notice it. He didn't. Zaslow sent it without even noticing. I'm introducing the two of them to each other by email, and Zaslow starts the introduction. Second word. And it took him two syllables to screw it up high. Himalayan. Which would be a better name?

[Billy Gil]

And I sent it.

[Dan]

I don't think so.

[Chris]

I think.

[H]

I think it's a better name.

[Dan]

More name for a. Like a carnival ride.

[Dan LeBatard]

Yeah.

[Chris]

If I.

[Billy Gil]

So embarrassing.

[Chris]

If I told you right now. If I told you right now, there's a new star quarterback, and his name is Himalayan Dart.

[Dan]

Well, that's the Dart thing. I mean, Dart is sick. Middle dart works.

[Billy Gil]

And I got an email back, like, later in the day or the next day or something. Just start with Himalayan. Great names. Oh, my God. I was mortified. It's an executive with this company.

[Zaslow]

Hey, just keep it moving.

[Chris]

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[AJ]

Whatever.

[Chris]

You were made to outdo your holidays. We were made to help organize the competition. Expedia. Made to travel. Don LeBatard. I think I would have been on his side.

[Billy Gil]

I would have looked at you like.

[AJ]

What did you say?

[H]

I'm telling you, me and my friend, the rest of the way home, all we kept saying was, I ain't cheating.

[Dan]

Stugarts.

[Chris]

I think he got your ass.

[H]

I got his way. Chris. Chris won this one for sure. Not pathetic.

[Chris]

Jeremy.

[H]

It was great.

[Dan LeBatard]

This is the Dan Levatar show with the stugats.

[Chris]

Speaking of mistakes, I may be wrong about Darren Wall.

[Dan LeBatard]

You won't know until he plays. So you have that going for you.

[Billy Gil]

So he'll never know.

[Dan LeBatard]

Yeah, you may never know.

[Billy Gil]

He will. Never.

[Chris]

Didn't. Will Fuller famously get a deal here where he just signed a deal and then just never played and collected the check?

[Billy Gil]

10 million.

[H]

Byron Jones did it.

[Billy Gil]

Odell. Yeah. Odell is pretty much in that category.

[Chris]

I gotta tell you, this is a better way to do it than Kawhi Leonard. It's a better. It's a better way to do the no show job.

[Billy Gil]

Kawhi's looking at. Dude, that dude, he's. He's got this down.

[Chris]

So how. How does this.

[Dan]

Kawhi knows nothing about being paid by a team and not showing up.

[Chris]

How does this go for Darren Waller where a week ago they told us he might be ready for next week and now it's like he might be out all year.

[Billy Gil]

Well, it's not even that a week ago. Yesterday, McDaniel said that he's. He's on track to play week one, but it was. We held him out strategically from practicing Wednesday because we. This. That's part of our plan. Plan. And then when the injury report comes out the next day, he's out. Hip injury like McDonald's just straight up lying. Just straight up lying.

[H]

His hips do lie.

[Chris]

Do you guys believe that the booing is possible in the first series of game two? Do you believe that? We will. What is the earliest we will hear?

[Dan LeBatard]

Coin toss. They lose the coin toss and they're going to hear it. I think there's carryover. They haven't seen this team yet at home, so there's going to be carryover. Those fans are waiting to boo. They will take any opportunity they can to boo when they take the field.

[H]

They won't, though.

[Dan LeBatard]

They might. They might if Chris Greer's on the Field doing a presentation to someone. It better be an army vet because if not he is getting booed.

[Chris]

Billy, you've been around this team long enough now when I'm trying to provide the context yesterday of never remembering outside of Fiedler and Feely first half of first game of Wanstead, this is clearly the end. Everyone knows it's the end. They've been howling all season and the coach panics and makes a quarterback change at halftime of the first game because they don't have a quarterback. Do you think I have the proper context when I say that it's never been this around the Dolphins that in your lifetime what this early? It's never been what we're headed to in game two where you're going to see the planes and the frustration bubbled over with the worst week one performance that any team in the sport had.

[Dan LeBatard]

I'm trying to remember the exact circumstances but don't forget there was the time that in the preseason practice game game that was just for season ticket holders they were chanting for Kyle Ordon while the quarterback was on the field.

[Chris]

The whole Cam Cameron years was something that I mean 1 in 15 was horrible. I just don't remember it being horrible. Where I'm wondering are they going to boo the first drive of the season at home?

[H]

That's where you're nailing it this early in the season. I don't think there's a comp Cuz don't doubt how sad and beaten down we've been over time. Like we've been this sad many a time but it's usually later in the season.

[Dan LeBatard]

It's touched on her bus by the way on that first drive too because like even if they settle for a field goal on like 4th and 2, the boobirds will come out on a.

[Chris]

Field goal written all over it. First drive, a missed field goal.

[H]

A good drive down the field and it's 10 and end end up at the 10 yard line. It's a fourth and short. We he goes for it, doesn't get it. There's no booze there.

[Dan LeBatard]

He's right about that.

[Zaslow]

If you go for it, no booze.

[H]

A good drive down the field, fourth and two. We're not kicking a field goal. We're going for it.

[Billy Gil]

Okay, so. So what's and they fail.

[Dan]

No.

[Chris]

Then booed if they fail.

[H]

Good drive down the field. The booze will come the second drive.

[Chris]

Put it on the pole. Juju at Lebard show over under on when Dolphin fans begin booing one and a half drives. One and A half drives, it may.

[Dan LeBatard]

Happen before they even get the ball. If they are defending first and they give up a touchdown, it'll start.

[Billy Gil]

No, no. Booze have to be with the offense.

[Dan LeBatard]

Okay.

[Chris]

No, that'll be an under though, Billy. If it starts before they get the ball, then.

[Dan LeBatard]

Then it's under. But I' if we're saying it'll be, you know, their first drive, it may be less than I'm saying.

[Billy Gil]

I don't believe that anyone booze. Unless it's something to do with the offense.

[Dan]

I want to go.

[Dan LeBatard]

Booze are coming in the intros probably.

[Dan]

I like Mike McDaniel. We've interviewed him. Seems like a nice guy. I don't root for his demise at all. I want it to work out for him. I really do.

[Zaslow]

But my mind are there people.

[Chris]

You root for their demise?

[Dan]

Yes. Plenty.

[Billy Gil]

I got. I can.

[Dan]

You want me to whisper some podcasts?

[Billy Gil]

Are you kidding me? I got a link Olez.

[Dan]

Anyways, I like Mike McDaniel, want him to keep his job. But I am also really interested on what. What happens if they lose this game to Mike Vrabel in his first year and Drake May in his second year? Because I just don't see a scenario in which they're owing to. With a loss at home to the New England Patriots, a team that every Dolphin fan assumed they'd be better than some. Someone has to go.

[H]

Can I make the argument though? If we lose this game to the Patriots, that's it on the season. We want the first overall pick. You almost want to be bad. You keep McDaniel and just like, yes, this is bad.

[Dan]

This is why I think the move is you get rid of Tyreek Hill because out of. I mean, maybe you could argue get rid of Greer because we can keep things moving. We don't need a GM all that much.

[Billy Gil]

No way Ross does that.

[Chris]

Let me. Let me just. I do want to say to you guys, like, I understand that when something looks like this and feels like this, you're going to go straight to the top of the food chain and blame. I've seen that guy do what he did when he had the pieces healthy and turned Raheem Mostert into someone who had 18 touchdowns. You can sit here and lament how bad a coach you think he is. He's getting collateral damage on architecture here. That is an owner and a GM who have been failing for a long time. And maybe, maybe a different coach would make it look different. Brian Flores made it look a little more competent. But what I saw Sunday in terms of offensive line and defensive line play. There wasn't a coach who was going to fix what was happening there. There's not. That was not a matter of scheme. That was a matter of a defense that doesn't have enough pressure up front, can't guard anybody in the back playing against a team that was well coached. But I don't think that that is coaching. I don't.

[Dan]

Wait, Dan, are the pieces that much worse this year than they were the year year previous to that? Because the team is getting worse offensively.

[Billy Gil]

They're definitely not different, but the quarterback is different.

[Chris]

Mike, I have seen this coach put together a scheme of bandages when some of the pieces are healthy to and Hill chief among them. And you see that the offense does things. And Again, Mostert scores 18 touchdowns.

[Dan]

Dan LeBatard, no one on this show was more on the record about liking Mike McDaniel. He is not without blame, the things that you're mentioning.

[Chris]

Not saying he's without blame. I'm just saying that he's not the top of the list. He's just the top of the organization. So that's where the blame will go.

[Dan]

Like, I think, I think the scapegoat, the obvious one here is Tyreek Hill. Vibes are toxic around him. You could say, like, look, we tried to change the culture with Tyreek, but he's the culture issue. And it's the one guy even like, well, Greer, maybe. But if you get rid of Tyreek Hill, the fan base might be like, okay, we can still be good now that we got this out of our huddle.

[Billy Gil]

I hear what you're saying. It's an easy especially if KC also Owen2 after this week.

[Dan LeBatard]

It's not that easy though, because you have to take the money into it and how much he's making and how much cap room your team has. What the cap it would be.

[Billy Gil]

No, you're right about that.

[Dan LeBatard]

No, it's not just like you want him for number three. Here you go. Like, it doesn't work.

[Billy Gil]

No way. No, you're right. But the easy part, which I think is what Mike is getting at, is it's, it's like a stay of execution where it's, hey, give us a little time. We just got rid of another toxic element and it buys you another couple weeks to maybe look better on the field.

[Chris]

The thing though, that we're doing to McDaniel and again, please do not take this as a defense of McDaniel, but one of the reasons that that job can be unpleasant as head coach is when you are the face and the voice of a team every day people notice the general manager less and less. And so Chris Greer cannot get what it is that McDaniel gets because he's not a face and a V voice that you're looking at all the time. But he's more responsible for what we're presently witnessing than the coach. I've seen this coach be good and you can say that he's since been addressed or that are undressed or that he can't make adjustments to the adjustments the moment that his quarterback's head scrambled or his receivers a little bit slower. But I've seen him score 70. I've seen the offense look like it's never looked. I've seen Mostert put up 18 touchdowns as a pretty disposable running back. And so I'm not going to say that he's the top of the blame here.

[Dan]

I mean Chris Greer could take credit for that. Tyreek Hill can take credit for scoring 70 points. I've seen them all individually and collectively be good at the exact same time. But if they fall to 02, someone must pay.

[Chris]

I can't dispute that and I want to, before we get out of the local hour, celebrate that Billy Gill and Shula bowl week is here. Billy Gill is a broadcaster for fiu. He is a pause up. He is somebody whose voice is different than I would say just about anybody in sports broadcasting.

[Dan LeBatard]

Like on like sound of my voice. Definitely I got a normal voice. I think I got a normal.

[Chris]

I meant in content but also in voice. Here's some Billy Gill fiu, a big one this week.

[Dan LeBatard]

Dan, you're going to come up tweeting about it.

[Chris]

I want to hear more about it after we play a little assortment of you on the first game broadcast, I.

[Dan LeBatard]

Believe that Central Michigan game last year. Corey, you described as one of the biggest games in program history and I'll stand by that. I okay.

[AJ]

Fair catch by John Pierre. He's contacted and goes down. A youthful mistake for the Wildcats.

[Dan LeBatard]

Yep. And a fan in the stands has a whistle that they sure do and.

[AJ]

They are right in front of us today. Please note, all whistles heard on fiusports.com are not official. We will let you know that when one is joke about time zones but ultimately you're closer to Japan than you are to Fort Lauderdale.

[Dan LeBatard]

I was hearing that. I never had considered it right. You see it on a map and you're like ah, it's far. But I didn't, you know, I've never drawn a line to see what it's closer to. And really, I mean, how much different could Hawaii possibly be from, you know, Key Biscayne?

[AJ]

Hawaii and Biscayne. Many have said basically the exact same.

[Dan LeBatard]

People call Key Biscayne the Maui of Florida, a familiar name.

[AJ]

The MLAN game sees him then transfer to UCF. And now here with Bethune Cookman, his first drive.

[Dan LeBatard]

MLade have to rip up all my notes. I wasn't prepared for this.

[AJ]

Corey be along here on esp. Oh, there it is. That's the first time that's happened, I think, ever. Happy to have you here on FIU sports dot com.

[Dan LeBatard]

Paws up, Corey Brooks.

[AJ]

Billy, Gil with you.

[Dan LeBatard]

Hey, what are we doing? Our volleyball game.

[AJ]

Home opener is next weekend. Yeah, in Penn State.

[Dan LeBatard]

Goldie and I. Wait, are you cheating on me? Goldie and I?

[AJ]

I thought we had an open relationship.

[Dan LeBatard]

Wait a minute.

[AJ]

Oh, no.

[Billy Gil]

You know what?

[Dan LeBatard]

I'm gonna call Kim Bo Gamper. We're gonna do something together next weekend. The opposing broadcast is saying that ball was too far ahead and they didn't have a chance at that play.

[AJ]

Gotta tell you, let you know if I hear anything biased both ways.

[Chris]

Here.

[AJ]

The radio booth.

[Dan LeBatard]

Hey, I think that's what I said. You said immaculate. Okay, I was just kind of agreeing with this co signing.

[AJ]

Feels like good is a downgrade.

[Dan LeBatard]

Okay, fine. Sorry. Great vibes. The best vibes I've ever had about.

[AJ]

Bullying the FIU fans. Vibes not high. Cheney and the other tackle for the.

[Dan LeBatard]

Panthers love that nickname.

[AJ]

I gotta tell you, if you have 6, 7, 3, 2 coming at you on a blitz, I don't blame you for throwing it away.

[Dan LeBatard]

That's the stuff of nightmares.

[Chris]

I'd be throwing.

[AJ]

Throwing that all the way to West Palm Beach.

[Chris]

Yeah, given the circumstance, I don't think.

[Dan LeBatard]

You could throw it that far. But I get your point.

[AJ]

That Willie Simmons story you told from Deuce. Yeah, you kept calling Media Day is actually from content day. Interviews that have not aired yet and are only accessible to you.

[Dan LeBatard]

Okay, well, you know, you're trying to make me feel bad, but I finally feel like I'm an important person around these parts.

[AJ]

Oh, you've always been a. I have exclusive content.

[Dan LeBatard]

No one else can get their hands.

[AJ]

On internal content until it airs on ESPN plus.

[Dan LeBatard]

Oh, when's it airing?

[AJ]

Leak from Billy Gill? Depends.

[Dan LeBatard]

Well, had I known I'm not supposed to talk about it, I wouldn't have.

[Chris]

Thought I would have watched it. They were so long.

[AJ]

It's not that you're not supposed to, it's just that it hasn't aired yet.

[Dan LeBatard]

Gotcha.

[AJ]

So you're just kind of, you know, providing spoilers.

[Dan LeBatard]

Well, I didn't know that.

[AJ]

It's like saying Dumbledore dies at the end.

[Chris]

End.

[AJ]

That's all. That's all you've done.

[Dan LeBatard]

Okay, I haven't seen that, but now you've told me. And if I remember, I'm going to be very upset when I watch that. So there's a barber on the team. Think about getting a haircut.

[AJ]

I just got one today.

[Dan LeBatard]

Did you?

[AJ]

I've never availed myself of the team barber.

[Dan LeBatard]

Thank you.

[AJ]

Probably not great. You didn't notice until I said I got it.

[Chris]

But that's.

[Dan LeBatard]

Well, I mean, I didn't see your hair yesterday, so I don't know. Going to get my player of the game too.

[AJ]

Chainsaw.

I thought you might.

[Chris]

Roy. What? What did you just say in my ear? With a big smile on your face.

[Dan]

This play by play guy, aj, he sounds so happy.

[Chris]

Well, he loves Billy. He sounds like he loves.

[Dan LeBatard]

Fine. Yes.

[Dan]

I thought it was AJ. Yeah, you could have corrected us then. Hey, listeners, it's Mike. Hey, Billy.

[Dan LeBatard]

Gill. Hey.

[Dan]

Hey, Billy. As a proud member of your inner circle, remember when we were hanging out last weekend?

[Dan LeBatard]

Oh, yeah. Fishtail palms.

[Dan]

Fishtail Palms. The great memories we made. Kids playing. Playing in the pool. And in our hands, a nice ice cold can of Miller Light. It was so hot out.

[Dan LeBatard]

I know, but it was so cold in my hand.

[Dan]

We took that first sip. It was crisp. It was refreshing. Oh, man, there is nothing like cracking open a Miller Light with your crew and your inner circle bones.

[Dan LeBatard]

Hell yeah, we fist bumped.

[Dan]

Whether it's we. We actually really did. Whether it's that touchdown make a sound.

[Dan LeBatard]

But it just started.

[Chris]

Bam. Boom.

[Dan]

Whether it's that touchdown you didn't see coming, or just arguing about fantasy lineups, you and I did plenty. That Miller Light has been the taste that you can depend on for 50 years. Brewed for flavor with simple ingredients, rich toffee notes and that iconic golden color. And here's a kicker. Billy.

[Dan LeBatard]

What?

[Dan]

It's just 96 calories.

[Dan LeBatard]

What?

[Dan]

3.2 carbs per 12 ounces. The original light beer since 1975 and still hitting different five decades later. Miller Lite Great Taste. 96 calories. Go to millerlight.com dan to find delivery options near you. Or you can pick up some Miller Lite pretty much anywhere they sell beer. It's Miller time. Celebrate response responsibly. Miller Brewing Co. Milwaukee, Wisconsin. 96 calories and 3.2 carbs per 12 ounces.