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Dan LeBatard
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Stugotz
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Mike Ryan
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David Sampson
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Mike Ryan
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Stugotz
This is the Dan Levatar show with the Stugats podcast Foreign I'm gonna miss this. David.
Amin Elhassan
Are they gonna change the intro now that we've been here for a week?
Stugotz
So I tried to start with good vibes.
Amin Elhassan
Just wondering whether they will.
Stugotz
David whispered to me during the SNL open of your guys program that we're not in it. Me and him, we're not in it.
Amin Elhassan
And just feel like that we're here from time to time. We do weekly things.
Dan LeBatard
What would you be doing in the intro video? What would your bit be?
Amin Elhassan
I'd like to run through Lucy Got mine. I wouldn't need to be at the end, but I like the idea of running through a finish line.
Dan LeBatard
Well, that's already taken so you need to need a new bit.
Stugotz
We saw it just this morning what David should be doing in the montage which is running as far as possible from your dog.
Jessica
You sure you're gonna miss this?
Mike Ryan
You know those songs that like are for parents about kids growing up. You're gonna miss this as one of them. There's the Darius Rucker. It won't be like this for long. Those songs wreck me. Now that my daughter's like eight. If you play one of those songs for me, I will start weeping.
Amin Elhassan
You have 10 years.
Mike Ryan
Because it's true. It won't be like this for long. Every stage. You think this part's hard. Oh, your kids less than one.
Dan LeBatard
Is that how you feel about the show? Is that why you're springing this up?
Mike Ryan
No. I mean, no. Because he said you're gonna miss this. So, like, they made me think of that song.
Chris Cote
You're going to know your kid more as an adult than you do them as a kid.
Mike Ryan
But that's what. That's why. But that's like. That's sad, almost. Like, obviously it's happy, but there's a sadness in your kid getting older because you're just like, oh, but that. I can't go back to that.
Amin Elhassan
I watched a new movie on Amazon called you're cordially invited with Will Ferrell.
David Sampson
Is it good?
Amin Elhassan
He gave a quote. No, he gave a quote. And I don't know whether it's true that you see your child. 92% of the time you spend with your child is before they're 18.
Mike Ryan
Oh, because you just. After they get past that, you don't see them a lot.
Amin Elhassan
Well, they're. They move on. They're adults.
Mike Ryan
And also sad.
Amin Elhassan
It's either a chance. That's the right stat.
Mike Ryan
Why is there a sadness with this? I want everything to be happy with my child.
Amin Elhassan
Jelly bean stat.
Stugotz
You kind of also reflect on your parenting right after seeing your child grow up as an adult. Like, did I do the right thing and everything? What type of person is your child?
Mike Ryan
Did I screw this up?
Dan LeBatard
Should I hide this kid?
Stugotz
We have a lot to get to. I regret giving the steering wheel to David Sampson this early. I apologize for that. We have Dan Patrick and Dan Lebatard. I guess a retrospective on a thing that just happened. They reflected on this on the microphone that I want to play for you in a bit. We have Willow, Jess's dog running around, which I love.
David Sampson
Looks like a horse next to David Sampson.
Dan LeBatard
Truly, I just wanted to spice things up on a Friday. I knew it was like the last day of trade deadline week. I'm like, ooh, I'm going to bring Willow and see what happens.
David Sampson
Had I known, I would have told one of the people here to go get one of those three point hats. Would have told Pablo to lend your blazer to Samson. Get on and then put your Hand in your pocket and let's take a picture. Got our own Napoleon.
Stugotz
Oh, yeah. Kids these days don't appreciate the hand tuck. David, I wanted to start today with a scoop. I've been trying to find out stuff. Pablatore Finds out is a show where I find out stuff I've been trying.
Amin Elhassan
Where can we find that?
Stugotz
You can find it on YouTube. Also the DraftKings network, and also wherever you get your podcasts. Incidentally, I've been trying to find some stuff out for you guys exclusively, and I have something. I have something. We'll get to New Orleans. We'll get to.
Amin Elhassan
Is it breaking news, Perkins?
Stugotz
It is breaking news.
Chris Cote
Can you put the Heat mouthpiece in your mouth that Dan puts in his mouth?
Stugotz
No, no, no. I am not a mouthpiece for the Heat. I am. What's the opposite of a mouse? Of a mouthpiece?
Roy Bellamy
Butt plug cop.
David Sampson
Oh, wow.
Stugotz
I don't know if we have. Do we have a butt plug sounder?
David Sampson
Sure, I'm on it. I'd be surprised if we did. Right?
Amin Elhassan
I was hoping for the breaking news music. We've been playing it all week.
Mike Ryan
That's music.
Stugotz
Hold on, is Chris here? There it is.
Mike Ryan
That's music.
David Sampson
It's a good song.
Stugotz
Breaking news exclusively reported by Pablo Torre finds out. And the Dan Lebatard show for the week of February 7, or whatever it is today. Kevin Love isn't running his Instagram account.
David Sampson
No.
Chris Cote
Huh.
Amin Elhassan
That can't be true.
Stugotz
So for those unfamiliar, Kevin Love is taking the Internet by storm. He's posting memes. He's been chronicling the Jimmy Butler saga the entire time. And we've been praising it for being creative. Creative, bold, you know, unapologetic, messy, funny, funny, funny.
David Sampson
And also, you know, for movie buffs like David and I, like.
Amin Elhassan
Oh, that's good one.
Stugotz
Well researched.
David Sampson
He's got good. Yeah, he's got good. There it is. That. That's it coming out about that one.
Amin Elhassan
That's a little late.
Chris Cote
That's the breaking news sounder for Pablo Torre finds out.
David Sampson
Yeah. So he's not.
Stugotz
Okay.
David Sampson
I was waiting.
Stugotz
It's beginning to hurt for the audio audience. It's beginning to hurt. It'll get better. Kevin Love's got a guy. Kevin Love has got a guy. And Kevin Love, I, I. Does any of this shock you? Does it disappoint you guys? Because to me, I mean, you said shock. Yeah, it can be shocking to me. I was trying to get aggregated, and now I'm just gonna get aggregated for a butt plug sound.
Dan LeBatard
Yeah, don't worry. We'll post this whole thing on Twitter.
Stugotz
Great.
Dan LeBatard
Yes. I'm surprised, Pablo. I thought he was doing it himself, but now I feel like an idiot for thinking he was doing it himself. It makes sense.
Mike Ryan
Is this an old person thing where he's actually curating it and he's coming up with creative, but he just has a team and he sends it to and they post it?
Stugotz
The most generous defense of Kevin Love is the one that Chris just made. And I don't believe that is the case. I mean, I'm sure he co signs, has approval, has approval of it. But it's funny right here you have an account that has made a very messy, dramatic thing that has disappointed cardboard Pat Riley and it has been praised. Kevin Love's thing is being subversive and in fact, it feels like it's not his account. And also the Heat are kind of in favor of it.
Chris Cote
I am also told Pablo, he retired from the run. He had a retirement post, said the run was over. Like that's how epic it actually was.
David Sampson
Contract expired.
Dan LeBatard
Do you know who is posting?
Stugotz
I cannot say that it's a mini scoop.
David Sampson
I'm just.
Stugotz
A mini scoop.
David Sampson
We're not asking who it is. We're asking, do you know the identity of the person? I mean, I don't think that changes that betrays any confidences. You just gave away that it's someone else. All we're asking is do you know who the.
Stugotz
I know. So not to sound like Dick Cheney proving a negative. I know it's not him.
David Sampson
Okay, so you don't know the idea.
Amin Elhassan
Could you.
Stugotz
Okay, why are you trying to find out about me? I'm trying to help you guys find out about something else.
Dan LeBatard
Is it one person or did he hire like a firm?
Stugotz
I believe it's. I believe it's a person.
David Sampson
Okay.
Stugotz
Sources close to the. Sources close to the situation report that it is one person.
David Sampson
This wouldn't be the first time something like this happened. Antonio Brown has a very successful Twitter following. He, it's confirmed, does not run his Twitter.
Mike Ryan
Yeah, it's Jeremy.
Chris Cote
We were discussing that it would be so crazy if Jeremy just randomly was running Antonio Brown. Brown's account.
Stugotz
Is Jeremy Tashay the funniest person to be Shadow operating Antonio Brown's Twitter account?
Amin Elhassan
Oh, I thought they meant Kevin Love. Did you guys not mean Kevin Love? Relationship.
David Sampson
It's funny.
Chris Cote
So you understand the joke. Please do bring it back to Neo Brown's account. Not Kevin Love. Jeremy Tashay, shadow running Antonio Brown.
Mike Ryan
Antonio Brown's Account is horrifically inappropriate. So we were trying to think of, like, who's the last person. I don't.
Dan LeBatard
We have to look Aton Brown's former wide receiver for.
Amin Elhassan
No, no. Football played America. Thank you, America.
Dan LeBatard
So football evolved, really, from the game of rugby.
Amin Elhassan
Yes.
Dan LeBatard
And so over time, they allowed forward passes. He's very good at catching those.
Amin Elhassan
Jessica.
Chris Cote
Some people get hit in the head a lot and they go a little crazy.
David Sampson
A lot of people think the Vikings also came before Christopher Columbus. Some also say that Native Americans traversed the Bering Straits and it ends in.
Amin Elhassan
The game this weekend or something.
Dan LeBatard
There's this thing called the Big Bang Theory.
David Sampson
I love that show.
Dan LeBatard
Whereas life as we know it was created from an explosion, a collision, or an apple. From that, we got Antonio Brown and Jeremy hypothetically running his accounts.
Amin Elhassan
In the beginning, God created and he rested on Saturday.
Stugotz
I don't know if we'll have time for awards again today because we got to do other stuff. I. I am just continually impressed by just the vibes Roy has been bringing this week.
Mike Ryan
Great job. I'm with you, Roy.
David Sampson
Award early. This is like people telling. Saying that Steph Curry is the greatest shooter of all time. It's like, no, we don't have to wait for his career to be over. Like, we know it now.
Stugotz
We already know.
David Sampson
Yeah.
Stugotz
By the way, speaking of awards, and by the way, just to rest the case, this was not a joke. Kevin Love actually is not running his Instagram account. This is a thing across. I mean. I mean, the number of guys who are not actually who they say they are, which is to say themselves on the Internet. We should just not assume anything at this point about that.
David Sampson
Yeah. I mean, I think most of the time, this is what I found. People who are incredibly funny and witty and insightful on social media and quick typically aren't normal people. Very rarely you get a shooting star like Josiah Johnson where it's like, he's funny in real life. He's actually funny and engaging as a real person, not just behind a keyboard. But. But the vast majority of the accounts that we really enjoy are manned by people who are just recluses who are socially awkward.
Stugotz
And the exception who proves that rule, of course, is Kevin Durant.
David Sampson
Yeah.
Stugotz
And I want to get to this story right? So we'll get to New Orleans again. We'll get to the Dan's, we'll get to their awards. They love awards even more than we do somehow in New Orleans right now with the NFL. But Kendrick Perkins, God bless him. God bless Kendrick Perkins. And the oxygen that his massive lungs have been sucking out of the room that the NFL tends to own. Do we have that tweet? Can we show that tweet? Video team, this is me filibustering and play. What? It's not a video. It's just text that I have to memorize.
Mike Ryan
Great. You just talk and we'll put it up when we.
Stugotz
Very good. So Kendrick Perkins went on ESPN in front of Bob Myers and said something that caused Kevin Durant to retort, and.
Amin Elhassan
We believe to get Kevin Durant to retort.
Stugotz
Well, to a means point, absolutely. He loves to retort. Kendrick Perkins had made the claim, though, that the true leader in Oklahoma City on that Thunder team, where it was him and Russell Westbrook and James Harden, was Kendrick Perkins. And Kevin Durant said something in response that I would like to show the audience.
Mike Ryan
If he would have asked for this before the show, we'd probably have it.
David Sampson
Why did you tell him to keep talking?
Amin Elhassan
I do not whisper to his ear.
Stugotz
I'm gonna miss you guys.
David Sampson
You should have said, we don't have it.
Dan LeBatard
I'm gonna miss this.
Stugotz
What Kevin Durant said in response to Kendrick Perkins saying, quote, it doesn't mean your best player is your leader. When I was with the Thunder, it wasn't Katie, it wasn't Russ, it wasn't James. I was the one leading and quote, KD quotes quote, tweets this and says, I know this may be a reach, but this comment is by far the craziest shit I've seen this week.
Amin Elhassan
And he sees some crazy shit.
David Sampson
Yeah. Including Luka Doncic being traded in the.
Amin Elhassan
Middle of the night and not being traded.
Stugotz
Him also being traded in the not. Thank you, video team. I want to get to what it means to be a leader, though. Right. Like you guys. Amin and David, you both worked inside of these pro sports franchises. Is this ridiculous? Is this actually crazy to contemplate that someone like Kendrick Perkins would be actually ahead of Kevin Durant in the leadership power rankings?
Amin Elhassan
Not at all. It's totally plausible. Leaders, the correlation between the best player on the team and the leader on the team is not nearly 100%. As a matter of fact, I would say it's more than 50%. But under 100, somewhere between 50 and 60% of the leaders on a team are also the best players. You don't want to go into a season with your leader as a bench player. You want to have an assumed leader as someone who's getting major minutes and someone who's going to be a big Part of what you're doing. But as the season evolves, it tends to move and change. Things happen. And Perkins. I think it's possible.
Chris Cote
Here's the problem, though. We've seen and heard plenty of Kendrick Perkins since he retired. Do you really think he fills the leader qualities?
David Sampson
Is what I said. Cuz I know perk, right? And the perk that we. Go ahead. The perk that we see on tv.
Stugotz
Chris isn't even going to look at.
David Sampson
Me that, oh, wow, okay, look at me.
Amin Elhassan
You didn't have to say you do perk. You want to hear what you're pointing.
Stugotz
I want to know. I want to know.
David Sampson
Who knows my personal opinion of him at knowing him personally, not from watching him on tv. He's playing a character on tv. Like he's actually a pretty bright guy and he was part of a very successful team in Boston. So he gets to Oklahoma City and they're young, they don't know how to win, so to speak. And so I can imagine there's a lot of stuff that he's imparted to these young guys about, look, this is how you do it. This is how we did it at the highest level. If you guys want to get to the highest level, you gotta do it like that. The problem is what Izzy just brought up is Perk's reputation makes it easy to make that joke. Cuz his reputation is what he does on tv. And what he does on TV is hot take gas baggery. And so it's impossible for people to imagine this guy, this guy's a leader. Get out of here. Over Kevin Durant. And so it's easy for Kevin Durant to make that joke as well.
Stugotz
Chris whispered to me while Amin was talking and he said, sorry I was late with that sound. I was trying to workshop a Kendrick Perkins impression.
Mike Ryan
Well, no, no, I mean, I would never do that. Roy is working on that.
David Sampson
Rachel.
Amin Elhassan
Do we think it was Durant who did the tweet back? Yes, he runs his own account.
Stugotz
I mean, his problem is that he's running accounts that aren't labeled as him.
Amin Elhassan
Yeah, he's in fact tweeting and burner accounts.
Stugotz
That was the whole thing.
Amin Elhassan
I didn't know that story.
Stugotz
So David knows nothing about social media. And I mean that not even insulting.
Chris Cote
Social media was this creation.
Amin Elhassan
Bring it on.
Chris Cote
Where people can discuss.
David Sampson
Al Gore had this idea of a network that would connect everybody.
Dan LeBatard
This was called the arpnet in the 80s. And the Soviets were very interested in discovering what it was because the Americans had it go Deeper.
David Sampson
The advent of the home computer made this communication very possible. As computers became more and more accessible.
Chris Cote
Humans like to connect with each other in any way possible. And they created this for that purpose.
Stugotz
Wait, did David just say go deeper? There's a site called MySpace and you had top eight.
Chris Cote
That was the opposite.
David Sampson
Now you're moving forward in time. I was waiting for someone to come back with Big Bang Theory again.
Dan LeBatard
There was this thing called the Big Bang Theory A billion years later. We got young.
Stugotz
I think leadership, though, generally speaking is an interesting topic. I think it is. I think it's overrated.
Amin Elhassan
I must tell you, in a clubhouse, we had. You want them to police themselves? We prefer the players to police themselves. It just doesn't always work that way. There's cliques in a major league clubhouse. I assume that, you know, an NBA locker room is small and. But I assume there's cliques in there too.
David Sampson
Yeah.
Amin Elhassan
And it's very hard to find players who move amongst all the cliques. You want to find a player who speaks Spanish and English. We had a guy named Martin Prado who was able to go in between the Latin cliques and the. And the white cliques and the black cliques. And it's hard to get a leadership.
David Sampson
There are enough black players to have a clique.
Amin Elhassan
Yeah. Yeah. Wait, what's the definition of a clique? Can you have two people in a clique?
Mike Ryan
Well, David, what happens. Go back when a mommy and a dad.
Amin Elhassan
We had a two person clique.
David Sampson
Oh, man. That's.
Amin Elhassan
The answer is. It's very rare.
Stugotz
Hold on. Put it on the poll. Are we doing polls still? Can there be a two person clique? It's called a couple of guys.
Amin Elhassan
A couple guys.
Mike Ryan
What's the. Yeah, I think it's got to be four people for a click.
David Sampson
Three. I think three is the minimum.
Stugotz
I think it's a few people minimum. There's several people.
David Sampson
This way. If they can't have a group chat, they're not a click. That's a. That's a rule we can all agree to.
Dan LeBatard
I think if you. If you watch Mean Girls and you take out Lindsay Lohan, the three of them, they're a clique. The mean girls, you're right.
Mike Ryan
Three.
David Sampson
Three is the minimum.
Stugotz
But define a clique being defined I think by its desire to hang out with itself and not the other cliques.
Mike Ryan
A clique is like. We secretly talk shit about everyone else here.
Amin Elhassan
We don't do it in secret. We do it on the show.
Stugotz
How many clicks are in this office?
Mike Ryan
There are a couple clicks.
Dan LeBatard
Oh, my God.
Mike Ryan
There's a back corner click.
Dan LeBatard
The limit does not exist.
Mike Ryan
Billy and Thomas.
David Sampson
The limit does not exist.
Stugotz
Wait, wait. Give it. Map this out for me.
Mike Ryan
Then the back corner. There's like a Taylor, Billy, Thomas click.
David Sampson
Billy's part of the back corner click.
Mike Ryan
I think so.
David Sampson
I think not.
Dan LeBatard
No, he. He is. He is definitely.
Mike Ryan
He's like a little quiet ringleader.
Dan LeBatard
There's like a Jesse, Cynthia, Kirsten, Kristen.
David Sampson
That's. Yeah, that's. That's a click. Yeah, for sure.
Mike Ryan
Then there's just Ethan.
David Sampson
Ethan.
Amin Elhassan
I thought that can't be a click. I just learned from.
Mike Ryan
They just had the shot of him by himself, so I thought it'd be funny.
Amin Elhassan
Oh, Mally.
Dan LeBatard
So when we're making the show, sometimes we make jokes about things that aren't actual. Literally jokes. But we're trying to show something on screen that goes along with something that we're saying.
Amin Elhassan
Is that the who theory of big banging? The Big Bang theory.
Chris Cote
I would watch big banging.
David Sampson
You would?
Stugotz
This is.
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Amin Elhassan
In reading while smiling.
Mike Ryan
If you listen to ESPN Daily, he sounds like he's having the time of his life. Stugats Coming up next, I'm going to tell you the Savannah Bananas are changing.
Jessica
How do you know Savannah Bananas?
Mike Ryan
How do you know I'm smiling?
Jessica
That's how I found my vocal range. Sometimes I just say Savannah Bananas.
Stugotz
This is the Dan Levatar show with the Stugats. All of this reminds me of the actual leader of this show who happens to have been on stage in New Orleans with another leader of a different show and how all of those cliques have been interacting became a topic on the Dan Patrick show.
Mike Ryan
Yeah, Shots were fired here by his producers. Let's hear what they're. They're talking about the Dan and Dan thing the night before. So let's hear it play.
Stugotz
Dan LeBatard's entire staff was there.
Chris Cote
Yeah, they were.
Stugotz
Everybody was there.
David Sampson
They talk.
Stugotz
While you guys were in the middle.
David Sampson
Of talking on stage. You're going to open up the door.
Stugotz
I'm going to walk through it. I'll tell you what. Stu Gotz tried to make the night about himself. Stu Gotz. He sure did. He very well.
Mike Ryan
You knew the minute he entered the building.
Stugotz
You knew the minute he left the building because that was a. I'm sorry.
Chris Cote
What's wrong with having a fast paced show? It's, you know, it's a little bit harder to keep track than the Dan Patrick show. You know, it's a little bit more slow. A little bit. This one's fast. And we have a superstar and Stu Gotz. What's wrong with any of those things?
David Sampson
They sit in their big, lazy chairs and I see you, Marvin Prince, you think you're sitting high on the throne. Get out of here. Get out of here. I am dismissing formally the Dan Patrick show. You're dismissed. On behalf of the Dan Levittard Show, I'm gonna carry the flag and say they're dismissed. Who's with me?
Dan LeBatard
I'm with you.
David Sampson
There you go.
Dan LeBatard
I thought it was going to be much meaner. We've threatened to beat them up before.
David Sampson
We have.
Dan LeBatard
I thought they were going to come back with some venom.
David Sampson
That's their version of venom.
Stugotz
What do you think?
Chris Cote
Where does Fritzi get over each other?
Mike Ryan
Where does Fritzi get off saying that we're going to talk over you. Okay, I'll box him for charity. Let's do it.
David Sampson
Yeah.
Stugotz
Fritzi, Where?
Mike Ryan
You hear that, Fritzi? Me and you.
Stugotz
Where? What do you think Stugatz was doing?
David Sampson
Trying to sell his book?
Dan LeBatard
Smoking.
Amin Elhassan
It was indoors.
David Sampson
Well, I got the scoop. He was trying to get Stew and Stew as. As the rival programming to the night.
Amin Elhassan
I'm just offended that the thought was that everyone was there. Yeah, well, who are we?
Dan LeBatard
We have so many more people talking.
Stugotz
We can talk over so many more of ourselves.
Chris Cote
Well, you guys aren't in the open, so. Neither am I.
Stugotz
Well, wait a minute.
Amin Elhassan
They are. There's four people here in the open that are not in New Orleans.
David Sampson
That's true.
Dan LeBatard
I think if we did redo the open. I mean, are you in the open.
David Sampson
I am.
Dan LeBatard
Oh, if we redid it, we should have it where you're on the toilet texting us you're gonna be running late next time.
David Sampson
What?
Stugotz
We're a reg. I mean close up. Are you flushing? We may be very messy when it comes to talking over each other. We are very regular in some deeply as a group ways.
Amin Elhassan
Deep.
David Sampson
Yes. With the newspaper, by the way, Roy, under my 20 CV, come out with the newspaper under my arm.
Amin Elhassan
You know 8:00 was call time.
David Sampson
Was it?
Amin Elhassan
Yeah.
David Sampson
I never have received an 8:00am call time. Never. Not.
Jessica
8:00 is call time for the text.
David Sampson
There you go.
Jessica
Not the talent.
David Sampson
Welcome.
Chris Cote
Hey, I've been here a few months. I've never heard the phrase call time said by anybody until now.
Dan LeBatard
I don't think I've gotten a call sheet in three years.
Stugotz
Have you guys been jealous? Speaking of being left out. Yes. Okay.
Mike Ryan
My heart is jealous, but my liver is like. Thank you. Thank you for the week off.
Stugotz
Well, I'm watching. I'm watching Eli Manning not get elected to the hall of Fame. I'm watching everybody on the big set on Bourbon street debate these things. I'm watching the NFL honors.
Amin Elhassan
Did you watch Tracy Wolfson spoil the mvp?
Stugotz
No.
Amin Elhassan
And then delete it.
Stugotz
What happened?
Amin Elhassan
She got in trouble. She tweeted it 23 minutes early.
Dan LeBatard
What happened?
Amin Elhassan
There was an MVP thing that you tweeted. Everyone tweeted the same picture of MVP Josh Allen and she tweeted it with 23 minutes to go. It had not been announced.
Dan LeBatard
Who?
Amin Elhassan
Someone named Tracy Wolfson.
Dan LeBatard
Oh, Wolfson. Yeah.
Stugotz
Longtime reporter.
Amin Elhassan
Yes.
Dan LeBatard
Sorry. The producer was talking my ear, so.
Amin Elhassan
Oh, that's okay.
David Sampson
Genuinely.
Amin Elhassan
Wolfenstein.
Stugotz
Apologies. We were talking all over each other.
David Sampson
Sorry.
Dan LeBatard
I was trying to produce the show because there was a photo that I wanted to show that they are now getting ready for us of someone on the red carpet to. Someone's on the red carpet last night.
David Sampson
That's a tease.
Dan LeBatard
Took the world by storm. So she posted it before they announced.
Amin Elhassan
It and then deleted it. Oh, and then it was announced because what happened is that people thought Lamar was going to win mvp. He actually had become the betting. The betting favorite.
Stugotz
But then hold on. The story briefly on that is interesting this part. Lamar had been voted first team all pro and this is seen as the biggest indicator as to who's going to win MVP. He's the best quarterback on the hypothetical team of first string best players in the league.
Amin Elhassan
It had been 1987, the last time that a second team all pro quarterback Beat a first team all pro quarterback when they were head to head for mvp.
David Sampson
How does that work? Because like when I was an MVP voter voter in the NBA for the awards, my thing was always, you're all NBA first team.
Amin Elhassan
You see, it starts with games. There's regular season games and then there's people who evaluate it. Goes all the way back to get it.
Stugotz
David. Hey, you caught on. Good job. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You get an award. Give David Sampson the award for beginning to get the show. With two hours left in our stay of doing the show.
David Sampson
Yeah.
Dan LeBatard
I mean, what happened was apparently nine voters split their votes and they flip flopped, basically.
Chris Cote
I mean, wasn't there a year where Marcus Soul won defensive player of the year but didn't make all the first team defense?
David Sampson
Yes.
Chris Cote
Pretty much equivalent to that. Right.
David Sampson
I wasn't voting that year, though. No.
Mike Ryan
See your watch.
David Sampson
We make sure I go. I ran up all the other voters, all 99 other voters and say, hey.
Mike Ryan
I'm sure that's legal, but.
Dan LeBatard
But someone also voted Lamar Jackson in fourth place, which didn't end up costing him ultimately. But now people are very mad at that voter.
Mike Ryan
You can't really get mad at Tracy, Tracy Wolfson, because, like, I'm pretty sure it was pretty clear that Josh was winning when Lamar wasn't there last night.
Amin Elhassan
Well, there's also another thing that happened late, right before the announcement is a huge wager came in, like, huge that came in on Josh Allen. And it moved the. The odds in a way not seen. And it came in through. Not our partner. It came in through a different company. And I'm totally against bets like that on things where Ernst and Young has the envelope. But in any case. So the lines all move, then the tweet comes out and then it was done. And they did this whole award, black tie, red carpet. The whole thing was building toward the mvp. It was the closest race in theory between Jackson.
Stugotz
Are you okay?
Amin Elhassan
And Alan. And then it was spoiled. And then it was announced. And then he gave a great speech.
Mike Ryan
I think that might be a fine with the Venmo bucket. Presented by Venmo. He cleared his throat.
Jessica
He used the cough button.
David Sampson
He tried to use the cough button, but he cleared his throat so obnoxiously loud that it echoed through the other two microphones in the room.
Amin Elhassan
You sent me in a place without a button. Hey, buddy, the button's way low.
David Sampson
Preaching to the choir.
Amin Elhassan
It's not right.
David Sampson
I said that seat needs one of these so I could talk to the guys in the room. So I Could turn my mic off.
Amin Elhassan
What did we run out of money? That's when we ran out of money is we could only put two things on the table, not three.
Stugotz
David's phlegm was talking over him.
Amin Elhassan
What's the Venmo? Could someone send me the Venmo QR.
Stugotz
Code outside next to the door? I want to talk about voting, though. Right. It's funny to me. It's funny to me how there are actually important, financially important, culturally, historically important. If you believe sports are culturally important, which I do. Decisions being made by these panels largely of media. Right. Like there are these voting bodies. This is the story of the Pro Football hall of Fame, of the NFL, MVP of the statistic we've been citing all week for Luka Doncic, five time first team all NBA, all star, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And if you think about those voting bodies, I think an enormous thing that athletes are not doing enough is acting the way corrupt politicians do.
Amin Elhassan
Going out and getting the vote, quid pro quo.
Stugotz
I mean, just like it is. It is actually rife ripe to be rife with corruption. And it's just funny. It's like this. I mean, these are sometimes nine figure decisions.
David Sampson
Yeah. So. Well, now it was almost like six, seven years ago when Anthony Davis played for the Pelicans. He was up for that supermax.
Stugotz
Yes.
David Sampson
He needed to make all NBA and he would have got like 50 million more dollars to his contract. And Brian Windhurst was the one that said, well, if I were Anthony Davis, I would just go to every one of the voters and say, here's 100 grand.
Stugotz
Absolutely.
David Sampson
And then that would still be financially worth it for him to bribe them all to vote for all NBA and then he'd still make out with the.
Amin Elhassan
Money being eligible for it. It's not guaranteed you're going to get it.
David Sampson
What do you mean?
Amin Elhassan
Is this. I'm asking a serious question. If you're eligible for the supermax, the team doesn't have to give it to you.
Stugotz
All right, now that was louder than usual. That's another. That's another fine.
David Sampson
You have to hit benchmarks. They're predetermined benchmarks in order to be eligible for.
Amin Elhassan
But he could pay off people and then not get the supermax?
David Sampson
Well, no, he could pay. If he pays off the voters and they vote for him to be all NBA, it's like an episode of Mr.
Stugotz
Beast.
Chris Cote
You can pay the money to bribe somebody, but there's no guarantee that they actually vote for you. And I walk away with 100 grand as an objective journalist and say, I don't know what you're talking about.
Stugotz
Oh, you're talking about another lay of corruption, which is not telling the truth about your corruption. You just take the money and not vote for it. Exactly. But I think what David is trying to do and grounding us to a halt in doing so is trying to get to the distinction between he's eligible, but the team does not have to sign him to a supermax. But if they choose to sign him.
David Sampson
This is the Lucas story.
Stugotz
If they sign him to an extension, it must be with this threshold that is now a raised floor because he's eligible for the super.
David Sampson
For the vast majority of teams, when you have a player who is supermax eligible, not. Not unanimous, but for the vast majority, you give him that money because he's worth it. Right. The idea is that Anthony Davis, cornerstone, he's one of the best players in the league and we're a small market team. We want to keep him here. We want to build around him. You give him the money. Right. Because he's worth it right? Now there are sometimes guys that are like, okay, technically you're worth it, but I really don't want to pay you this money. But that's a lot rarer because again, the benchmark isn't make all NBA once you have to have multiple appearances in the first four or five years of your career.
Amin Elhassan
The reason why this is all in my head is that Ben Simmons is now at the end of his five year supermax and they're working on a buyout that Brooklyn Nets are working on a buyout of Ben Simmons and Philadelphia, when they sign him, there's this. There's despondency. He didn't get a supermax, they got a max.
David Sampson
Yes.
Amin Elhassan
And it's. You can lose. You can get really screwed with these deals if you're. If you don't get it right.
David Sampson
So. So Ben. Ben Simmons did not get a supermax.
Amin Elhassan
Said he got a max.
David Sampson
Yeah, well, you started with.
Chris Cote
He got a. Oh, you said them both.
David Sampson
So. But I just want to clarify the people who are doing. David said this and David said that. Which one is it?
Amin Elhassan
Thank you.
David Sampson
It's a. It's a. It was a regular max with some bonuses in there. He didn't achieve them. The thing with Ben Simmons is you had a perfect storm of a legitimate injury and then B, a weird organizational decision to abandon him in the most vulnerable moment. So when he passed down that dunk against the Hawks, against the hawks in Game 7, instead of his head Coach, his superstar, his general manager. Also.
Stugotz
Wait, what is. I forget, what did his head coach sound like?
David Sampson
Well, look, you know, it wasn't my fault and it wasn't Joel's fault. I'm not gonna say whose fault it was. It wasn't Darryl's fault either. It wasn't Trae Young's fault.
Stugotz
It was painful, man. That presser was so painful.
Chris Cote
But to Pablo's point about the voting, I mean, like this, to me, it ends up. It's going to have to be like a committee, kind of like the college football committee, where like, you trust people to be objective like it used to be. Basically. It is hilarious. It used to be basically, us journalists, hey, we trust you all to be objective. Never once when I used to vote did I think, this might make this guy more money. Right now it's a lot more obvious. It's just one to one, hey, if this guy makes it, he's going to be able to make that money. I don't want to have to think that way. I want to just respect the game and let the chips fall where they may.
David Sampson
So this, this is why for years I've been beating the drum. The NBA is silly to continue to have individual salary restrictions. We have a salary cap, we have aprons, we have all that stuff. All right? So I should be able to pay. If I want to pay Luka Doncic $80 million a year, I should be able to do that. Now I might go into the second apron. And we see with these aprons how hard it is to continue to improve your team if you're not financially. Kind of fiscally sound, but that should be our decision.
Stugotz
So that last clause, right, gives away the game. David, all of these restrictions, all of these gates on how much you're allowed to pay a player are to help, I mean, in the mind of the owners. It's to help protect the owners from themselves.
Amin Elhassan
It's also the union actually wants it more because they want the money spread, because if you left it to the owners, they would give Luca, hey, come to me for a hundo. And then all of a sudden you've got players 8 through 15.
Stugotz
Also that. Right. Who benefits from the max salary?
David Sampson
The middle class. And we did. You wrote a story years and years ago about Tyler Johnson and we did a video that got pulled down off that contract.
Stugotz
Love that. Still hurts.
David Sampson
But. But it would. The whole thing about it was LeBron gets restricted in how much money he can make so that the Tyler Johnson's of the world can make way more money than they should.
Stugotz
He stands on LeBron's shoulders and gets to reach a height that he would not be able to get to if LeBron was not tethered to the floor.
Amin Elhassan
That's a union.
Stugotz
Yeah. And by the way, this is where it gets, it's so interesting, right? Like in sports, of course, like the class system inside of the organization meant to defend all of its members. Vastly different incentives. But this clicks, clicks, clicks, clicks for clicks. To Izzy's point though, the question of like, should journalists even have this power? Right. Like you are now making writers. Yeah. Gatekeepers of actual fortunes.
Chris Cote
And it's based on made up awards. Right. We just make up this series of awards and we put value to all of them. We could have. I mean people say defense with championships, right. So why isn't the all defensive team being the one that's earning you all this money? Because the team's goal is ultimately, ultimately to win championships. It's all based on these silly little awards that we just now can give pay people more money for. It's just a weird system.
Amin Elhassan
People are upset about the baseball writers with the hall of Fame in baseball. But it's a major thing that why do the writers have the right and then they don't have to make their ballots public?
Stugotz
That, that, I mean the easy one to me is transparency of voting. You should know who voted on everything. I don't see a defense otherwise.
David Sampson
I mean we have that in the NBA. You know who the 100 voters are and it lists exactly what their ballot was. So you know exactly who they picked to be their first choice for MVP, second choice, third choice, etc.
Amin Elhassan
Otherwise we wouldn't have known Tom Brady voted for Lamar Jackson.
Stugotz
Yes.
Dan LeBatard
Now back to the NFL honors. This is the photo that took the Internet by storm yesterday. It was of a certain North Carolina football coach and his dad, a certain.
Stugotz
Former coach of Tom Brady girlfriend.
Dan LeBatard
Now this photo I believe was sort of a Rorschach test for just if you're a man or a woman. I guess because I saw a lot of the men on my timeline reacting and saying what a flex like young girlfriend got the super bowl rings. And then I was also seeing a lot of women reacting and being like, this is so creepy and weird.
David Sampson
Oh, I thought you guys said the women said he's so hot.
Chris Cote
No one's saying that.
Dan LeBatard
I don't want to start an age gap discourse, but I do, I do appreciate the, the content.
Stugotz
Look, thank you, Bill. It's the level of humor that I think I want to start with first is just that Bill Belichick. Back in my day, Bill Belichick was the guy who had no part of any of the things he's involved in now. Right now he's on social media. He's appealing to young people. He's parading, doing red. He's doing step and repeats.
David Sampson
Yeah.
Stugotz
He's podcasting, he's doing all of this stuff.
David Sampson
Is this I'm not in the machine anymore or is this I have a young hot girlfriend and she says, bill, you should do this.
Stugotz
So interesting. Not a. Not a. Not a mini scoop on the Kevin Love scoop that I got, but a smaller scoop. Yeah. What's smaller than mini infinitesimal Samsonian, micro Samsonian scoop? We got the same, same, same brain.
Amin Elhassan
You're not exactly a giant size jokes.
Stugotz
5, 10, and 3/4.
David Sampson
Oh.
Dan LeBatard
That'S like 70 inches, David. And 3/4.
Mike Ryan
Saying 3/4 always makes it sad though, right? Like when you're like, I need that three quarters.
Stugotz
Yeah, just round it up. Sorry. I demand transparency of myself and others. Bill Belichick, apparently. I mean, look, she is the person. Jordan, by the way. Jordan. J O R, D O N. Jordan. Jordan. Jordan. His girlfriend is the person who runs his social media. Oh, you think Bill Belichick is writing these long ass captions on his Instagram.
David Sampson
Posts and taking selfies?
Stugotz
The point being when Snoop Dogg comes out with the joke of the night, I don't think we should give credit necessarily to Snoop Dogg as much as just the inherent comedy of this.
David Sampson
What did Snoop Dogg say?
Stugotz
I'm glad you asked because I've been.
David Sampson
A football fan for a long, long time. I mean, I remember back when the Cowboys was good.
Stugotz
I remember back when the Chiefs was bad.
Mike Ryan
And I remember.
David Sampson
What was it?
Mike Ryan
Bill Belichick's girlfriend wasn't even born yet.
Stugotz
Oh.
Amin Elhassan
Let'S.
Mike Ryan
I think that that just proved that we just wanted a joke about that because we can all agree that could have been written better. Like, it was. Like, what was the joke?
Chris Cote
I think he was really high and just forgot the joke.
Mike Ryan
I don't know.
David Sampson
I'm gonna tell you. I went to the ESPYs one year and I sat there. Look at me, Louie and those. Like, it's a tough crowd. It's not. First of all, they always like to bring in not a comedian to do this. For some reason they want to bring us.
Jessica
Because of Norm.
David Sampson
Because. Because of Norm, that's why. Well, I wish it was Rob on the poll.
Stugotz
Is Rob Riggle always hosting the sb?
David Sampson
Because there was some person I Can't remember who it was. It was a famous person, but they weren't a comedian. And they went up there and I was in a mood for different reasons, but I was so incensed by how corny the jokes are and that polite laughter we get there that I purposely would wait until it would die down and then I would go, oh, I get it. Because Cleveland sucks as a city. No one wants to be there.
Stugotz
Oh, ha.
David Sampson
I get it because remember, the Cowboys are winning a lot. They haven't won a long time. I just kept doing that over and over and over again and I was causing a scene.
Mike Ryan
But that's not. I don't feel like that's on the delivery there. Like, that's he.
Stugotz
That was just not hard to criticize. Delivery. When you say, no, that's fair.
Mike Ryan
That's fair. But I just don't know how that writer's room was like, that's it. That's our winner.
David Sampson
Yeah. I mean, the punch.
Mike Ryan
Anything would have gone viral.
David Sampson
That.
Mike Ryan
What was the punchline? It was just like, I remember before she was born.
David Sampson
Yeah, like, the punchline is.
Mike Ryan
That could have been better.
Stugotz
There's a lot of your mama so fast that she's fat in that joke from Snoop Dogg.
Mike Ryan
Comedy writers across the country had to be like, that was the joke. Wait, oh, there's a viral clip. A viral joke. What did he say about it? And it's just like, oh, the most obvious thing ever.
Stugotz
Can we bring Willow in here for the next segment? Sure. Yes.
Mike Ryan
Let's do that.
Stugotz
Great.
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The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz Episode Summary: Local Hour: Pablo's Kevin Love Scoop Release Date: February 7, 2025
Introduction
In the February 7, 2025 episode of The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz, hosts Dan LeBatard and Stugotz, along with co-hosts Amin Elhassan, Mike Ryan, David Sampson, Chris Cote, and Jessica, delve into a multifaceted discussion ranging from social media authenticity in sports to the integrity of MVP voting processes. Titled "Local Hour: Pablo's Kevin Love Scoop," the episode offers listeners a blend of insightful analysis and characteristic humor, ensuring an engaging experience for both regular fans and newcomers.
[04:50] Stugotz Introduces the Scoop
The episode kicks off with Stugotz breaking significant news about NBA star Kevin Love. Contrary to public belief, Kevin Love isn't personally managing his Instagram account. This revelation sets the stage for a deeper conversation about the authenticity of athlete-managed social media profiles.
Notable Quote:
Stugotz [05:22]: "Kevin Love actually is not running his Instagram account. This is a thing across... we should just not assume anything at this point."
The hosts explore the implications of this discovery, questioning whether athletes are leveraging professional teams or hired experts to curate their online personas. This discussion taps into broader themes of authenticity, branding, and the blurred lines between personal and managed content in the digital age.
[12:15] Kendrick Perkins vs. Kevin Durant
The conversation shifts to leadership within sports teams, sparked by an exchange between Kendrick Perkins and Kevin Durant. Perkins asserted his role as the true leader during their tenure with the Oklahoma City Thunder, a claim that Durant challenges.
Notable Quote:
Stugotz [12:15]: "So we'll get to New Orleans again. We'll get to the Dan's, we'll get to their awards... Kendrick Perkins, God bless him."
This segment delves into whether leadership is inherently tied to being the best player on the team. Amin Elhassan emphasizes that leadership and on-court performance do not always coincide, citing instances where a team's dynamics require different forms of leadership beyond statistical contributions.
Notable Quote:
Amin Elhassan [13:02]: "Leaders, the correlation between the best player on the team and the leader on the team is not nearly 100%."
David Sampson adds personal insights from his experience within sports franchises, highlighting the importance of leaders who can bridge various cliques and cultural divides within teams—using Martin Prado as an example of someone adept at navigating these complexities.
[26:35] Tracy Wolfson's Premature MVP Tweet
A significant portion of the discussion centers on the integrity of MVP voting. The hosts dissect an incident where reporter Tracy Wolfson prematurely tweeted Josh Allen as the MVP before the official announcement, raising questions about the transparency and potential corruption within the voting process.
Notable Quote:
Stugotz [26:35]: "If you believe sports are culturally important, which I do. Decisions being made by these panels... is the story of the Pro Football hall of Fame, of the NFL, MVP of the statistic we've been citing all week..."
Amin Elhassan calls attention to the possibility of quid pro quo arrangements, where votes might be influenced by personal gains rather than merit.
Notable Quote:
Amin Elhassan [30:19]: "Going out and getting the vote, quid pro quo."
The hosts advocate for greater transparency in the voting process, comparing it to the NBA's system where voters and their ballots are public, thereby reducing the room for bias or corrupt practices.
Notable Quote:
Amin Elhassan [36:47]: "What benefits from the max salary? The middle class."
Stugotz criticizes the opaque nature of voting bodies and the undue influence media personalities might have over significant sports decisions, suggesting parallels with political corruption and emphasizing the high stakes involved.
[23:35] Mock Dismissal of The Dan Patrick Show
Injecting humor and camaraderie, the hosts engage in a lighthearted rivalry with The Dan Patrick Show. David Sampson leads a playful declaration dismissing their counterpart show in favor of their own, fostering a friendly competitive spirit.
Notable Quote:
David Sampson [23:35]: "I'm gonna carry the flag and say they're dismissed. Who's with me?"
This segment highlights the show's dynamic chemistry, offering listeners a glimpse into the interpersonal relationships and ongoing banter that add depth to their on-air interactions.
[17:02] Defining Cliques in Sports Teams
The discussion extends to the nature of cliques within professional sports team environments. The hosts debate the definition and impact of cliques, considering factors like language, culture, and social interactions.
Notable Quote:
Chris Cote [17:02]: "We had a two person clique. The answer is... it's very rare."
They explore how cliques can affect team cohesion and leadership, emphasizing the challenge leaders face in unifying diverse groups to foster a collaborative and supportive team atmosphere.
Notable Quote:
Stugotz [17:40]: "A clique is like... We secretly talk shit about everyone else here."
This exploration underscores the complexities of team dynamics and the pivotal role of effective leadership in mitigating divisiveness.
[39:13] Snoop Dogg's Failed Joke
Balancing the more serious discussions, the episode features humorous anecdotes and moments of levity. One such instance involves a failed joke attempt by Snoop Dogg, which the hosts dissect with characteristic wit.
Notable Quote:
Stugotz [39:13]: "Fat Oil Lip Drip has high shine finish with comfortable wear and none of the sticky texture."
These segments serve to entertain while maintaining the show's engaging and personable atmosphere, ensuring a well-rounded listening experience.
Conclusion
The February 7th episode of The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz successfully navigates a range of topics, from the authenticity of athletes' social media presence to the intricate dynamics of leadership and potential corruption within MVP voting. Through a blend of insightful analysis and humorous banter, the hosts provide listeners with a comprehensive and entertaining exploration of contemporary sports issues. The episode's structured discussions, complemented by notable quotes and engaging interactions, make it a valuable listen for those seeking both information and entertainment in the realm of sports media.