Local Hour: Pat Riley Needs to Kill Someone

Summary

The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz

Episode: Local Hour: Pat Riley Needs to Kill Someone
Release Date: June 24, 2025

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1. Greg Cody's Time-Traveling Persona (00:31 - 08:52)

The episode kicks off with a humorous segment featuring Greg Cody donning a vintage 1901 Boston Americans manager uniform. His playful portrayal of an early 20th-century sports manager sets a lighthearted tone for the show.

• Greg Cody as 1901 Manager:
  • [00:37] Greg Cody: "Cuervo, what are you doing here?"
  • [03:22] Stugotz: "Oh, he's got material from the… he's here from the wheelhouse. He's here from the 90s."
  • [03:28] Dan Le Batard: "Hopefully that's the end of it."
  • [03:45] Chris Cody: "Hey, don't get me started. I got a young kid on my team, Ebenezer McDavid. He's supposed to be the next coming."

Greg's character engages in playful banter, reminiscing about the Fort Lauderdale Strikers of 1978 and highlighting his book, The Pride of a Lion. The segment blends nostalgia with current events, showcasing Greg's deep roots in South Florida sports.

• Highlight on Soccer Legacy:
  • [07:08] Stugotz: "That's your parade correspondence that you…"
  • [08:31] Billy Corben: "Trying to get the commercial music out of here."

2. Inter Miami's Historic Soccer Achievement (08:52 - 17:13)

The conversation shifts to soccer, focusing on Inter Miami's remarkable journey in international competitions. The hosts delve into the significance of the team's progress, especially with Lionel Messi's involvement.

• Dan Le Batard on Inter Miami:

  • [10:01] Dan Le Batard: "It hasn't been since 2005 that the last time an MLS team didn't lose to a team from South America in a competitive match."
  • [10:45] Stugotz: "Can you explain though, Cody, as someone who's covered soccer in this Market since the Fort Lauderdale Strikers of 1978, can you give me a feeling to that mess from last night where you get a wildly unfulfilling fulfillment?"

• Chris Cody’s Insights:

  • [12:03] Chris Cody: "The Fort Lauderdale Strikers went to the Soccer Bowl. The… Lionel Messi wasn't the first big superstar to play down here."
  • [13:02] Chris Cody: "By far the biggest accomplishment for Inter Miami thus far in the Messi era."

The hosts commend Inter Miami's advancement to the knockout stages, despite a suspenseful end where they lost a significant lead. They acknowledge the emotional rollercoaster fans experienced but agree on the team's historic achievement.

• Discussion on Future Matchups:
  • [14:38] Dan Le Batard: "It's like I said, a dream match and they should be very proud of that. Despite how last night felt."
  • [17:13] Dan Le Batard: "They should be very proud of that. Despite how last night felt."

3. The Pat Riley Conundrum: Management and Team Building (17:13 - 40:04)

The core of the episode centers around Pat Riley, the Miami Heat's esteemed general manager, and head coach. The hosts express frustration over Riley's recent management decisions, particularly his handling of player trades and acquisitions.

• Jeremy Tache's Bold Assertion:

  • [17:48] Stugotz: "5 nil."
  • [17:50] Dan Le Batard: "PSG has been difficult to read."

• Pat Riley's Trade Decisions:

  • [24:00] Mike Ryan: "Well, he looks great."
  • [24:07] Dan Le Batard: "I think Pat's largely gotten a pass for his age."

• Demand for Aggressive Action:

  • [27:02] Dan Le Batard: "What am I missing about the reporting? Okay, what am I missing in. I'm not questioning Shams. I'm just saying…"
  • [28:09] Jeremy Tache: "He should put those rings to use. Don't just drop them on the table, drop them in someone's skull."

• Call to Action for Pat Riley:

  • [27:20] Jeremy Tache: "Pat Riley needs to kill someone, right?"
  • [22:57] Jeremy Tache: "This is the Don LeBatard Show with the stugats that."
  • [32:07] Jeremy Tache: "He needs to do something to get them afraid of him again."

The discussion intensifies as the hosts critique Riley's reluctance to make bold moves, such as acquiring superstar Kevin Durant. They argue that Riley's cautious approach is hindering the team's championship potential.

• Debate on Kevin Durant Acquisition:
  • [33:14] Billy Corben: "I think that the…"
  • [34:23] Billy Corben: "Why are lines drawn in the sand?"
  • [35:58] Stugatz: "All right, Excellent."

Dan Le Batard and Jeremy Tache debate the strategic implications of acquiring Kevin Durant, with Jeremy pushing for more aggressive tactics akin to mafia boss behavior to enforce Riley's authority.

• Dan Le Batard’s Defense:
  • [39:35] Stugatz: "Billy, you are condoning violence here."
  • [40:04] Stugatz: "We are not, you guys, hypercritical."

Despite the heated exchange, Dan defends the show's balanced critique, emphasizing that questioning Riley's decisions doesn't equate to ageism but rather a desire for better team performance.

4. Light-Hearted Moments and Closing Remarks (40:04 - End)

Towards the end, the conversation shifts back to lighter topics, including discussions about Greg Cody's summer activities and humorous interactions among the hosts.

• Greg Cody’s Summer Relaxation:

  • [44:07] Greg Cody: "I make it Miller time."
  • [44:15] Greg Cody: "That beautiful white can…"
  • [45:07] Dan Le Batard: "Go to Miller Lite. Great taste."

• Final Banter on Song Lyrics:

  • [30:00] Dan Le Batard: "How do none of you know the song? By no means."
  • [30:15] Stugatz: "No, because he expected you guys."
  • [30:35] Dan Le Batard: "Well, I know the lyrics that are like, I'm Greg Cody, and that's how."

The episode concludes with the hosts sharing laughs over Greg Cody’s antics and their playful jabs at each other, maintaining the show’s signature blend of sports analysis and comedic relief.

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Notable Quotes

• Jeremy Tache on Pat Riley:

  • [27:02] "Pat Riley needs to kill someone, right?"
  • [28:09] "He should put those rings to use. Don't just drop them on the table, drop them in someone's skull."

• Dan Le Batard on Inter Miami’s Achievement:

  • [10:45] "From a business standpoint, it's a huge success. From an achievement on the football pitch, it's an incredible achievement that many people doubted."

• Stugatz on Game Experience:

  • [09:38] "The low bar…"

• Chris Cody on Team Legacy:

  • [12:25] "Greg Cody thought we should have played yesterday of his parade correspondence."

Insights and Conclusions

The episode effectively balances lighthearted segments with intense sports analysis. The discussion highlights a critical view of Pat Riley's management style, advocating for more decisive actions to elevate the Miami Heat's championship prospects. Simultaneously, the hosts celebrate Inter Miami's unprecedented achievements in soccer, framing it as a milestone for South Florida sports.

By interweaving humor with genuine concerns, Dan Le Batard and Stugotz engage listeners in a comprehensive dialogue about team dynamics, leadership effectiveness, and the passionate sports culture in South Florida.

Transcript

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[Dan Le Batard]

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[Greg Cody]

Cuervo, what are you doing here?

[Stugatz]

Cuervo. Anytime someone says Cuervo, I show up.

[Dan Le Batard]

Well, I do know that to be true.

[Greg Cody]

But even during ad reads like Cuervo.

[Dan Le Batard]

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[Stugatz]

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[Dan Le Batard]

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[Stugatz]

Cuervo.

[Dan Le Batard]

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[Stugatz]

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[Dan Le Batard]

The tequila that invented tequila. Proximo. Cuervo.com, please drink responsibly.

[Stugatz]

Cuervo. I don't know if we're ever gonna do a game show, sort of a couples game show with me and Stugance, but I'm gonna ask him a question I've never asked him that I should know the answer to that I don't know the answer to.

[Mike Ryan]

Interesting.

[Stugatz]

What kind of cigarettes do you smell like right now?

[Mike Ryan]

Marlboro Silvers shorts. I like the shorties, you know, the 120s. It's like, you know, you're smoking two in, in. In one sitting. And so healthier option now. So I go with the shorties, which, which are the healthiest of the options. Yes, of the. Of the bad options.

[Billy Corben]

Have cigarettes come out with like a.

[Chris Cody]

Light, like, you know.

[Mike Ryan]

Yeah.

[Chris Cody]

Oh, yeah.

[Stugatz]

Well, yeah. And all the lights. I don't do cigarettes.

[Mike Ryan]

They all kill you.

[Stugatz]

It just. Yeah, one does it lighter than the other. Marble lights lower maybe.

[Mike Ryan]

I don't know.

[Stugatz]

But you have had an evolution here over the years. Or has it always been, what, what have you always smelled like? That brand of cigarette?

[Mike Ryan]

That's the only brand. Yeah, that's the only brand I've ever smoked. Yeah. Not too harsh, you know, nice and smooth.

[Chris Cody]

Loyal brand. Loyal.

[Mike Ryan]

Yep.

[Chris Cody]

Like it.

[Stugatz]

I want to make a comment now while we're on audio only, because I will not be under promising or over promising, I should say, when I tell the television audience that they're in for a delightful visual surprise. Because once again, as is the case always with Stugatz, And Greg, Cody. Greg, Cody and Stugatz always win. So a punishment that was supposed to be a costume that made him look bad. Instead he looks like today more than ever. He straight out of the 19. He could not. That costume looks great on him. I would want to be led somewhere by him.

[Mike Ryan]

He looks like one of the ghosts coming out of the cornfield in Field of Dreams.

[Chris Cody]

What costume? This is my uniform. I'm the manager of the Boston Americans. It's 1901. I'm trying to get the new century started off right. We have a big game against Cleveland later today. We got McGillicuddy on the hill. It's baseball time. What's it they. Somebody just told me that the hockey season just ended. What is hockey? Who's playing sports on ice? I've never heard of such a thing. It's baseball time. America's baseball.

[Stugatz]

Oh, he's got material from the. He's here from the wheelhouse. He's here from the 90s.

[Dan Le Batard]

Hopefully that's the end of it.

[Chris Cody]

No, it's not quite the end. I've got a guy. Hey, don't get me started. I got a young kid on my team, Ebenezer McDavid. He's supposed to be the next coming. He's supposed to be all this. The next honest Wagner. He's overrated at this point.

[Dan Le Batard]

How method is this? Because I don't want to talk about integration with this guy.

[Chris Cody]

It's 1901, baby.

[Dan Le Batard]

I have an important question for you. OK. We went around the horn yesterday. Do you remember where you were when Paul George got traded to the Clippers? Where was it Dan was at? The Clevelander who. I was at Las Rosas.

[Mike Ryan]

I don't remember.

[Dan Le Batard]

Most people land there.

[Chris Cody]

Why would you.

[Stugatz]

Is that true?

[Dan Le Batard]

I have a very vivid like. Oh my God. Because remember, Kawhi was leveraging the Lakers. So it was a shocking thing.

[Stugatz]

No, but it wasn't just that. It. It was that Kawhi. And Kawhi was super quiet, mysterious and Uncle Dennis is involved and all of a sudden Ballmer is negotiating with Uncle Dennis and next thing you know, Paul George is right.

[Dan Le Batard]

Well, of course, the notion that Kawhi was going to the Lakers, was going to break the sport because this was Kawhi at the peak of his powers and we all thought the NBA was going to be ruined. And then Kawhi saved everything by in the shadows negotiating Paul George to be his running mate in la, thus making the NBA wide open. It really was a where were you? Type of moment.

[Stugatz]

Do you Believe based on the way Greg Cody looks, that we could simply say of him, racial profiling. This person was a racist.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yes.

[Mike Ryan]

Back in 1901.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah, everybody was. Put her on the poll. Back in 1901. Was everybody a little racist?

[Jeremy Tache]

This is the Dan Levator show with the Stugats podcast.

[Stugatz]

He looks great. He really does it. He looks like somebody who was throwing a knuckleball in 1924 as the great Depression approached.

[Mike Ryan]

He looks the part.

[Billy Corben]

What was that?

[Stugatz]

What pitch was that? That was your knuckle. All right, ladies, gentlemen. A 50 year chronicler of athletes thinks the knuckleball, after 50 years of covering baseball, is thrown with two fingers. The hook em horn sign is how you throw the knuckleball.

[Chris Cody]

Charlie Huff taught it to me.

[Billy Corben]

It can be thrown with two fingers, just not your middle and ring finger.

[Chris Cody]

Yeah, technicality.

[Jeremy Tache]

That's how it used to be thrown.

[Stugatz]

Hook them.

[Chris Cody]

Thank you, Bill.

[Mike Ryan]

It's his knuckleball.

[Chris Cody]

Thank you. I invented the knuckleball.

[Mike Ryan]

Yep. Sure did.

[Chris Cody]

Damn right.

[Stugatz]

So Greg Cody's in character today. He's pretending like he's from 1919 because he's ushering in baseball season. Why are you making faces, Billy?

[Jeremy Tache]

He's pretending like he's from. I mean, I feel like Greg has just come into the room from the past. I don't understand. This isn't a costume. This is Greg.

[Chris Cody]

Yeah. Why are you calling it a costume? This is my uniform.

[Stugatz]

It is a Greg Cody Tuesday. Do you have a Back in my day.

[Chris Cody]

I don't dog on it.

[Mike Ryan]

Right.

[Jeremy Tache]

It's typically the first appearance of the week if it's on a Tuesday.

[Chris Cody]

Exactly. Right.

[Mike Ryan]

So you're wearing a costume today. So you are selling.

[Stugatz]

You are selling a recycled book of back in my days. But you haven't had a fresh one in years. Right. You're just selling months old stuff.

[Billy Corben]

Months.

[Chris Cody]

I'd say it's been months. The. The book is flying off the. The shelves and. And the Pride of a Lion, we're still really proud of somebody. For the only the second time ever, somebody at the Panthers beach celebration Sunday came up to me and said how much they enjoyed reading the Pride of a Lion. So I really appreciated that.

[Stugatz]

That's your parade correspondence that you. Because you didn't give us any of this yesterday. You just gave a sunburn yesterday and said you were out there for hours and now you're reporting. Is that someone complimented your book.

[Chris Cody]

Right. I had a video that I did, but it was not played by your show. So I can't I'm not responsible for that. I availed it to the show, they didn't play it.

[Stugatz]

Was it not good enough? Did it not meet our standards? Was it not funny enough? I am told that you talk took very poor selfies all weekend that you don't know how to take selfies.

[Chris Cody]

Well, the problem was I should have gone like this, right. And gotten a panorama in the background and instead I just went like this. So my infamous Cody knows is front and center on the video, which I'm not real proud of.

[Stugatz]

All right, let's see that video that Greg Cody thought we should have played yesterday of his parade correspondence. By the way he looks in this photo, I'm just going to say like Fort Lauderdale. The elbow room has looked something like that for 50 years and many, many things have been snorted up nostril tunnels like these.

[Chris Cody]

I'm Greg Cody from the Greg Cody show podcast reporting live from Fort Lauderdale beach where the Panthers championship has been celebrated the buck and up to the stage.

[Billy Corben]

Trying to get the commercial music out of here.

[Chris Cody]

People in some of the states, thousands more the estimating people here. Everybody who's anybody is here except you know who's not here. Hey, let's celebrate the Panthers even further on the great Cody show podcast that drop Monday morning.

[Stugatz]

Yeah, that's too bad. It's too bad we didn't get to that yesterday.

[Billy Corben]

Talking to the side of your mouth given a stroke.

[Mike Ryan]

Nailed it.

[Stugatz]

This is the inception of his narcissism. He leans back in costume and just.

[Chris Cody]

Enjoys uniform, not costume.

[Stugatz]

He leans back in uniform and just enjoys something from yesterday that is self involved, not interesting in just his nostrils.

[Chris Cody]

Right? Yeah, we didn't back in my day we didn't have any of those newfangled there phones that served as cameras. What's going on there? All right.

[Stugatz]

There are sports things I want to get to including Inter Miami having the most amazing and wonderful weird ending that didn't feel like a victory. Even though it's the most historic moment in the history of South Florida soccer. I think that's what we witnessed last night and I think the low bar.

[Jeremy Tache]

Well, a tie is the most famous.

[Stugatz]

Yes, well, they gave up the two goal lead late. They scared everybody. But all they needed was a draw and they advanced.

[Mike Ryan]

So it was a good tie, huh?

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah, it was. You want to poo poo finally.

[Stugatz]

No, but finally Stugatz has been saying Stugatz has been waving around. That Bengals tie from seven years ago is important.

[Dan Le Batard]

It hasn't been since 2005 that the last that was the last time an MLS team didn't lose to a team from South America in a competitive match. Inter Miami also was the first team from the Americas to beat a European team in a competitive match. They went undefeated in a very difficult group. I do think it's the greatest achievement in club history getting to the knockouts stage of this tournament. That being said, it should feel a lot better. It didn't feel good after they blew a 20 lead to Palmettis. And the end of the game kind of felt like you were on a razor's edge because you weren't really aware of what was going on in the other match. So it left a lot to be desired in terms of feeling fulfilled. But for a club that is only five years old to make it to the knockout stage of this tournament is incredible.

[Stugatz]

Can you explain though, Cody, as someone who's covered soccer in this Market since the Fort Lauderdale strikers of 1978, can you give me a feeling to that mess from last night where you get a wildly unfulfilling fulfillment?

[Chris Cody]

Well, if I'm going way back, the. The Fort Lauderdale Strikers went to the Soccer Bowl. The. The super bowl equivalent.

[Dan Le Batard]

Wow.

[Chris Cody]

Soccer ball Sunday in 1979. And. And bulletin. Lionel Messi wasn't the first big superstar to play down here.

[Stugatz]

Hold on a second, Greg.

[Mike Ryan]

Hold on a second Soccer bowl Saturday. I mean, it should be on a Saturday. We'll get back to that later. But it should be on a Saturday.

[Stugatz]

Let your. Let your son get here so we could talk. 1978 strikers, please. And the soccer ball.

[Mike Ryan]

Thank you.

[Chris Cody]

Okay. It's not that far back. I mean, I lived it, as you can tell by the way.

[Stugatz]

We got it. We got it. Okay.

[Chris Cody]

No, that. That 1979 Soccer bowl team of the Fort Lauderdale Strikers, they had Gerd Mueller from Germany, one of the all time great players. They had Nanny Kobias from Peru. One of the. All time.

[Stugatz]

One of the first Hispanic words you ever learned correct.

[Chris Cody]

Nanny Kubias. It could be. I don't know. I don't chronicle. It could be a catalog. Who's that to your fellow Cabillus.

[Stugatz]

Your. Your glasses are foggy.

[Chris Cody]

I know they are because I'm not used to being in a. In a heavy wool uniform.

[Stugatz]

And now you look like Joe Zigaki with the sunglasses. Again.

[Chris Cody]

I can't win.

[Stugatz]

No, keep your glasses off. Give me the glasses. Just keep doing. Back in my day as a gaki. And please, video find the Zigaki sunglasses and put it in picture. And picture, please.

[Chris Cody]

Okay, I. I don't like to act like this is the first time that we've ever had anything special happen in soccer in South Florida, because it isn't. But to Mike's point, this is the biggest accomplishment for Inter Miami by far. I mean, the winning the leagues Cup. It's an oversized trophy for a new tournament. It means very little winning the Supporters Shield. You may disagree with this, Mike, but it's a consolation prize that's only bittersweet if you follow it up with a first round playoff exit. So this accomplishment is by far the biggest. And I also love the fact that.

[Stugatz]

By far the biggest what? Finish the thought, Historian, please. By far the biggest what?

[Chris Cody]

By far the biggest accomplishment for Inter Miami thus far in the Messi era.

[Stugatz]

And what does it mean within the context of 50 years of covering soccer in this market, when I'm calling it a wildly unfulfilling fulfillment?

[Chris Cody]

Oh, you're totally wrong. You're totally wrong. And now what's ahead is also fascinating because Messi goes up against his former team, played there a couple of years coming out of the pandemic. He played for Paris Saint Germain and it could have been the Brazilian team, Botafogo. Yeah, and everybody would make fun of that, if only for the name. But they won the Brazilian championship in.

[Dan Le Batard]

2024 and they also just beat PSG, which is the reigning Champions League winner.

[Chris Cody]

So it would not have been an easier match. But I think it's a sexier match for Messi to face his former team.

[Dan Le Batard]

Great for storylines. But look, no matter. Over the course of 50 years, you had an MLS side beat a two time Champions League champion, and Porto had won, most recently in 2003, a Champions League. So they're a club of prestige. It's a difficult group. You have European blue bloods in Porto. You have a club that's 125 years old from Sao Paulo, that's decorated. You have the most decorated club in the history of the world in Al Ahli from Egypt. Not a lot of people had them coming out of this group. And for a moment there, they looked like the class of the group. It looked like they were winning this thing easily. To go through it undefeated and get to the knockout stages and set up this incredible matchup, which will be undoubtedly very difficult for them against psg. For the storylines alone, it's incredible. It's a dream matchup that you only see in FIFA.

[Stugatz]

Why are you saying blue blood so much? Why?

[Dan Le Batard]

I said it once. I mean, to try to explain it in American terms. Do you know about Porto's early 2000s Champions League victory with Jose Mourinho at the helm.

[Stugatz]

I'm. Yes, thank you for the reminder.

[Dan Le Batard]

Well, they're always in European competition. I know they're from Portugal, which may not be perceived as like the Bundesliga here.

[Stugatz]

I'm just the only reason I'm stopping you or slowing you down, okay. Because you have been talking blue blood since you bought your way into the University of Miami program. You have been just. You've been using the phrase a lot, and it's usually something you were doing only with college basketball.

[Dan Le Batard]

I'm trying to explain it to the Americans in the room, okay.

[Mike Ryan]

Because I appreciate it.

[Dan Le Batard]

Because you're poo pooing the accomplishment. And I would say, like, I reached out to people at the club and they're like, yeah, this is the biggest thing that we've ever done. I think they've made $20 million to this point through this competition in advancing to this point. From a business standpoint, it's a huge success. From an achievement on the football pitch, it's an incredible achievement that many people doubted. For Messi to be doing this, he just turned 38 years old to be carrying this team of a couple of old. You saw that Suarez goal. I mean, form is temporary, but class is permanent.

[Chris Cody]

Brilliant.

[Dan Le Batard]

He has his old running mates from Barcelona and a bunch of, like, journeymen and young guys from MLS to do that, to go toe to toe and beat the likes of Porto and come.

[Stugatz]

Back against Porto is a massive achievement. If I can correct what it is when you're saying that I'm pooh poohing this by calling it a wildly unfulfilling fulfillment, ultimately it is a fulfillment. But try to explain to people that a tie, where you cough up two late and you end in a tie, try to explain to them how it is that qualifying, that it means something historic because of the difficulty in the class of people when you're trying to sell this over a paywall to tomorrow's fans for the World cup, because you've already got soccer fans. It's not like soccer fans. The reason Messi is here is because everyone understands in soccer around the world, where genius is appreciated, that there are some things only he can do. And my God, what an honor be able to get him to do them in Miami for a team that we can care about here. So I don't mean to pooh pooh what the accomplishment is. I just mean when you're holding on for your life at the end, as a viewing experience, you don't feel Great about the game.

[Dan Le Batard]

No, no. And it should feel better. If Inter Miami had either come back from 20 down or they exchanged goals, it would feel a little bit different leaving that stadium. You would have thought Palmeiras won a world title of some sort.

[Chris Cody]

Right?

[Dan Le Batard]

But I would say, and I've talked to people that cover mls, you could make a solid argument that this is the most impressive achievement that a professional soccer team from America has ever accomplished in getting to this stage. Look at what MLS has done in this tournament. They haven't exactly covered themselves in glory. Inter Miami is standing toe to toe with Titans from Brazil, Titans from Portugal, the most decorated club in the history of world football. And now they get to the knockout stage against the reigning European champion in psg. It's like I said, a dream match and they should be very proud of that. Despite how last night fel.

[Jeremy Tache]

What do we think?

[Stugatz]

5 nil.

[Jeremy Tache]

PSG.

[Dan Le Batard]

PSG has been difficult to read. I do think that they'll clobber, right? Inter Miami. Inter Miami. Defensively just. And we saw it late in that game, they don't have the defensive personnel to really, I think, say organized, not make a mistake and hold off and keep PSG at bay. PSG kind of struggled a little bit with Seattle Sounders yesterday and they lost to Botafogo. So it's not like they're riding high on great form either. Noon start, but it's in a dome in Atlanta. Inter Miami did win their lone match of the group in Atlanta. So we'll see. You'll have incredible theater. You'll have Messi rising to the occasion because he's shown in big time matches. He will turn on an effort that you're not used to seeing. So we'll see this. A lot is on the line in terms of optics and there's this whole narrative that PSG got better once they got rid of Messi. And Messi isn't exactly beloved by PSG fans because of how he left. So it's a cool matchup.

[Chris Cody]

It should be said that they knew going into last night's match that a tie would still advance them to the. To the round of 16. So they knew immediately that they were advancing, which was the big prize, even by losing that late lead. And to Mike's point, even if they lose to psg and I don't think it'll be five nil. I think three to one or something like that. But even if they lose that match, it's still a massive accomplishment for Inter Miami to get this far against this type of competition can the goal today.

[Stugatz]

Be somehow to get Greg Cody into the world in this outfit with no commentary on his sunglass sunburn and his Joe Zagaki? Jeremy, you were trying to get in here as Billy zoned out on soccer. We cannot get him into.

[Jeremy Tache]

I was locked in in Miami PSG Saturday.

[Stugatz]

I cannot get you. I can't get you into indoors.

[Jeremy Tache]

I was just looking at the table as we speak.

[Stugatz]

Yeah, Jeremy, you were saying.

[Billy Corben]

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[Chris Cody]

Don LeBatard I want to address Tony and all men who would wear that shirt in public. Stugats don't do it.

[Jeremy Tache]

This is the Don lebatar Show with the stugats that.

[Stugatz]

We want Greg Cody to say something looking like this. So think of things that perhaps are your best and hottest takes because there is chum in the water around Pat Riley. Our show was very disrespectful yesterday, making a lot of old jokes.

[Chris Cody]

Yeah, not me.

[Stugatz]

Well, I've just sort of seen this. I saw it happen to Don Shula when there was a better replacement. Jimmie Johnson was available. Don Shula never forgave me for not respecting what he thought would have been. He thought he deserved more grace.

[Jeremy Tache]

Do something after 1973. Jeez.

[Mike Ryan]

It's fair.

[Dan Le Batard]

I think Pat's largely gotten a pass for his age.

[Jeremy Tache]

Pass Riley, some call it.

[Dan Le Batard]

It was a pretty shocking stat that I said. He's presently the same age that Al Davis was when he said Morton's. Yeah, he doesn't seem that way. He's a young soul and we don't think of him as old.

[Mike Ryan]

Well, he looks great.

[Stugatz]

You guys will concede that you were flagrantly ageist yesterday. Yes.

[Dan Le Batard]

No, I will not concede that.

[Jeremy Tache]

We were based on results, not on age. I don't think at any point we really brought his age into it.

[Dan Le Batard]

And I think, well, I'm pointing out that he's the same age as Mortensen when the optics of that Mortensen thing were, man, the game is past this titan. Buy Mortensen. When you have a highly public incident the way that he had with Jimmy Butler, in which his pride got in the way and he seemed out of touch with today's player, it's fair to question we wouldn't be doing our jobs if we didn't at least mention that our show has been so pro Pat Riley over the course of two, over the course of a full score. Okay, okay. The fact that we come out and just highlight the fact that maybe, just maybe this old guy is losing touch with the game. He even said it himself on South Beach Sessions. Maybe I'm washed.

[Jeremy Tache]

We questioned Sham's credibility just because he reported something that may look like Pat Riley might have dropped the ball on this one.

[Stugatz]

Well, you say that I did that.

[Jeremy Tache]

I said we.

[Stugatz]

You did say we, but you meant me and because you were in the other camp yesterday and what I was saying is when player names are involved, I just kept asking I don't know what is true because I could not believe that it would be true that you would deny yourself Kevin Durant because you needed to keep either Highsmith or Jovic. It didn't seem like it could be true to me and so I just wanted to verify it for myself. I have not and do not question Shams his credibility.

[Billy Corben]

Ultimately it was clarified by Shams because what happened was in the article, the phrasing of the sentence that ultimately included the names of Highsmith and and Hawkes. It made people interpret that as individual pieces that wouldn't be included in the trade. What ultimately he went on McAfee show and said was that if the Heat were going to make the trade, it either needed to be Khalil Ware and if it wasn't going to be Kalawe attached to the Wiggins and Rozier part of that trade was going to be Jovic Hawkez, Highsmith a first round pick and multiple pick swaps. That was what the Suns were ultimately asking for. The Heat seemingly drew the line not just at we won't give you all of those pick swaps but also we don't want to give up Jovic and they had a hard line on, on What? That deal?

[Stugatz]

All right. And I would just tell you guys, I know everybody wants the superstar. I know you want to get the guy. But I will just say if you're objecting to the Heat Not Trad a 20 year old with a future and a fixed contract who plays like that might not be as valuable as one year of Kevin Durant, but that's a bloated Durant contract, and you're now no longer working with salary cap efficiencies even as you get rid of Rosier and Wiggins in order to onboard him. I understand the Heat not wanting to trade where and I understand the Heat not wanting to trade where unless it's in a package for Giannis.

[Mike Ryan]

But that works against what Riley has done his entire time. Down here, it's win now, go get Durant. I'll sacrifice. Go get Kevin Durant so I have a chance to win next year.

[Dan Le Batard]

And going off of what Jeremy said, it seemed as though they did have an option to not include Ware and just simply include Jovic in that other package. And they drew the line of Jovic.

[Billy Corben]

What I will say to that is, no matter what, the Rockets were going to have more to offer now. The Rockets would have had to probably step up their offer from where it ultimately ended up.

[Mike Ryan]

Make them do it, Yovich.

[Billy Corben]

Right, sure, make them do it. But if the Heat sort of viewed it as, hey, you know what? This is the line that we want to draw, then, and it's where they drew it. Either way, they were ultimately going to be outbid. If the Rockets wanted to ramp bad.

[Dan Le Batard]

A lot of DMPs for Jovich down the stretch.

[Jeremy Tache]

Pat Riley needs to kill someone, right? Like, there's no fear of Pat Riley being the Godfather anymore, right? There used to be a thing where, like, you would go in, you'd be like, oh, you'd be like, quivering, like, I don't want to cross this man. And now yesterday, people were making jokes, he was dropping pills on the floor and you had to pick them up because dogs might get them. So, like, I'm just saying we need. Pat Riley needs to put the fear of God in these people again. I don't know if he goes and he sits down on one of these negotiations, just slaps the person across the table in the face or does something. He needs to do something to get them afraid of him again.

[Mike Ryan]

Started off by saying he has to kill someone, now he's slapping.

[Jeremy Tache]

Well, I'm just saying if he doesn't have it in him anymore.

[Dan Le Batard]

You should get an overhead projector. And call out Shams.

[Jeremy Tache]

He should put those rings to use. Don't just drop them on the table, drop them in someone's skull. You know what I mean?

[Stugatz]

So you want us to create the CGI that makes Pat Riley Robert De Niro in the Irishman where we have him kicking someone's ass at 80 plus years.

[Jeremy Tache]

Not CGI. I want him to do it. I want him to deck someone at the face. Those rings. Imagine that Shams report lose a diamond in someone's forehead. You know what I mean?

[Billy Corben]

Imagine the report. Riley slaps opposing gm.

[Jeremy Tache]

Then when you sign the guy that you punched in the face and the diamond is encrusted in his head, you take that diamond out of his head, you put him in his championship ring. You say, you know what? I promised you a ring. Here you go. Boom. With my diamond.

[Dan Le Batard]

Ace Ventura.

[Jeremy Tache]

Did that happen in that My life I'm starting to realize.

[Chris Cody]

Yeah.

[Jeremy Tache]

The way that I see things should work ends up being a lot of movies. Like yesterday I was saying how we should like inject a virus into AI to kill it.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah. It was just a plot of the last two Mission Impossible movies.

[Jeremy Tache]

I haven't seen the last one yet.

[Mike Ryan]

Now you don't have to.

[Jeremy Tache]

Is that what happens for you? You saved me by two hours and 50 minutes.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah, but it's the thrills along the way.

[Stugatz]

Man, this airplane stunt, it looks amazing. I can't stop watching the trailers. I haven't even gotten to it yet because I didn't want to. I didn't want to have to go to wherever it was. I think it was Paramount. Plus I couldn't find my way through.

[Mike Ryan]

Tough one.

[Stugatz]

Through the thicket I couldn't find my way that one's a thing.

[Mike Ryan]

I do a search.

[Stugatz]

I wanted to get there. And so I just got stuck in trailers and making of the movie. And I feel like I've seen the movie.

[Chris Cody]

Movie trailers for sale or rent?

[Jeremy Tache]

He's right.

[Chris Cody]

Rooms to let everybody. No pool. No.

[Dan Le Batard]

None of you know the song no Cigarettes?

[Stugatz]

I don't know.

[Dan Le Batard]

How do none of you know the song? By no means.

[Billy Corben]

King of the Road.

[Stugatz]

All right, let's do this better. Please. You're. If you're going to interrupt the show.

[Chris Cody]

Yes.

[Stugatz]

Yeah. When is that song?

[Dan Le Batard]

Why should we know that?

[Stugatz]

No, because he expected you guys.

[Mike Ryan]

Look, he sings it all the time.

[Stugatz]

Expected. But Chris, the funniest part about this is he doesn't have the rest of the words and he was mad at you guys for not knowing words. He also did not know because he did not there. He did not. You didn't get there. It was just.

[Dan Le Batard]

Well, I know the lyrics that are like, I'm Greg Cody, and that's how.

[Stugatz]

It was back in my day.

[Mike Ryan]

But Dan is. We all joined in the Eddie Vedder.

[Dan Le Batard]

I mean, by no means.

[Stugatz]

Enough, enough. Your glasses continue to fog up.

[Dan Le Batard]

Can I ask you guys, this is a thought exercise, and we'll see on where the Miami Heat land on this. I would say, as half the Eastern Conference tears its Achilles, it's a good time to get better. And I think it's irrefutable that Kevin Durant makes your team better. I can't believe we let Jonathan Zaslo get away with that bullshit.

[Stugatz]

Well, what happened. What happened to you yesterday? So Zaslow's feeling more and more confident these days in a way that's not really explainable. And he got a bonus that kicked in when the Panthers won the championship, so he's gonna be around more. But you came in today, and I haven't seen this from you before. Usually you're okay saying someone's full of shit right when they're in the room with you, but you waited a full 12 hours before getting mad at Zaslow and calling him full of shit.

[Dan Le Batard]

No, I called him on it, like, a little bit during the show, but it kind of sat with me. I'm like, this guy. Of all people, if they traded for Kevin Durant, he would be hanging from the ceiling, celebrating the move. He's a good player. Awesome player. He's a Hall of Famer. He might be hit. It's your boy, Kevin Durant. It's your boy. Pat Riley. It's your boy. Don't talk bad about Pat Riley. I'll take Durant at 50. He'll make that shot until he's 66. I mean, what is he talking about Yesterday? Make me. Make me care. Make me care about Kevin Duranta. What? Are you serious?

[Jeremy Tache]

Something's up with him. He thinks he can just come in here all willy nilly, say whatever he wants. You got to punch him in the head. Head and let him know. Say whatever you want.

[Billy Corben]

Exactly.

[Jeremy Tache]

Right?

[Stugatz]

So, Billy, this is across the table, okay? So let him know. Billy, he's. He's 80 years old, so whatever you imagine, that move, he looks horrible.

[Chris Cody]

He looks good.

[Jeremy Tache]

Well, I guess for 80, he looks good. 28.

[Stugatz]

He looks good for it.

[Dan Le Batard]

He looks bad for his age.

[Stugatz]

He looks good.

[Mike Ryan]

He really does.

[Stugatz]

He looked. He looks like 10 years of mourning rage radio. Okay? He used to be a vibrant person, and now just what happened to him was 10 years and don't work in this business in the morning. It'll gut you.

[Billy Corben]

So he was vibrant.

[Dan Le Batard]

I never believed him to be vibrant.

[Jeremy Tache]

I think he was always that. Right.

[Dan Le Batard]

It was. No one's asked for 20 years. He's pretty much been that.

[Mike Ryan]

I I at 6am, 10am, 3pm It's a boogs producer.

[Stugatz]

Yeah. It's an act of cowardice that you would wait until the next next day to break out the fake Zaz at him and call him full of shit the next day when he's here tomorrow again and you won't say any of it to his face.

[Dan Le Batard]

I mean, I would say it to his face, John. Jonathan Zaslow knows how full of shit he's being there, and that's cool. That was his role yesterday. Jeremy's playing that role today. So let me ask you this question. Here's the thought exercise that I want to do. I'm sorry, Jeremy, you and I have had reasonable discourse today. And I think you also would admit that if Kevin Durant were acquired by the Miami Heat for any one of those packages, you'd be able to.

[Billy Corben]

I wanted Kevin Durant. I can acknowledge I wanted Kevin Durant.

[Dan Le Batard]

The Kevin Durant trade was announced before Tyrese Halliburton goes down. We all admit Tyrese Halliburton tearing his Achilles opens up what we all perceive to be a pretty wide open East. Even more.

[Stugatz]

Do you think making you wonder at the time if it's better for Giannis to just stay in Milwaukee.

[Dan Le Batard]

Right. Even though they have their own Achilles injury to deal with. With and he's on the books and it's difficult for them to improve on their roster if we just shift the order of events. Halliburton tears his Achilles. Does Miami ramp up their trade efforts to get Durant thinking that now this east is even more wide open? Us merely improving gets us in a position where I can talk myself into hero Bam and Kevin Durant being the best threesome in the Eastern Conference.

[Billy Corben]

It might, it might change the way that they view it. I think that the, the reason you saw the Heat draw a line in the sand where they did and not make the decision to give up every available asset that they have. And I think the, the conversation that gets sort of diluted is comparing their assets to others. You can't do it that way. You're one franchise that has a certain amount of assets to improve your team. So where they drew that line was do we think that Kevin Durant, Tyler Herro, Bama Tobayo and Khalil Ware alone with a bunch of guys who are picked up in the margins through, you know, minimum contracts, essentially is enough to not just win the Eastern Conference, but win a championship. Because what you're doing is sacrificing your ability next offseason where you have everything available to you, including what would be going into the final year of a Tyler Hero contract, a guy that several teams would probably want to trade for and extend in the final year of a deal, or if they didn't, a huge number that would be able to fit into a window and you could do anything that you want next off season. So they go into this with Kevin Durant and they say, is that going to make us a championship winning team? Because just going hasn't been good enough. If their answer to that is no. That's why you have to draw a line at keeping Jovic, because you would need to be able to use him and Duncan Robinson, who can be cut for 50% of his deal, as a way to upgrade at other role player positions.

[Stugatz]

Why are lines drawn in the sand? Find out. Because you were really drawing a lot of lines in the sand while Billy. Want Pat Riley to slap someone with a fencing glove?

[Jeremy Tache]

It's been 10 years a ring. I want a diamond in someone's forehead.

[Stugatz]

It's been 10 years since Pat Riley told Danny Age of the Boston Celtics through a spokesman, to shut the bleep up.

[Chris Cody]

Do it again.

[Stugatz]

You're saying he needs to do it again?

[Chris Cody]

Yes.

[Jeremy Tache]

Yeah. No, like, actual. I'm not. Guys, look, for the record here, let me be crystal clear. I would never encourage physical violence. However, I'm not known as the Godfather. You know what I mean? Like, if my name was the Executioner and I've gone 20 years without executioning, then all of a sudden, people start wondering, why is he still known as Executioner? Exactly. Exactly Right. Someone needs to kind of, you know, you go in there, there. I'm not saying the biggest person in the room, maybe Donnie Walsh, is in there doing something, who knows? And you just go and boom. Knock him off his chair or something.

[Mike Ryan]

Donnie Walsh still at it.

[Chris Cody]

In fairness, the Godfather doesn't do the. The dirty business himself. He sends his lieutenant, but he does.

[Jeremy Tache]

Enough that you're afraid of crossing the Godfather.

[Chris Cody]

What you need to do is you need to have Andy Ellisberg with some brass knuckles taking care of business.

[Stugatz]

Ellisberg.

[Chris Cody]

Because when that guy walks into a room, he's menacing.

[Jeremy Tache]

Yeah.

[Stugatz]

Come on.

[Jeremy Tache]

No, no, no. He's right. Thank you. Andy Ellisberg looks Like the guy. And. And this is very specific, but Andy Ellisberg looks like the guy in Ocean's Eleven. That takes you into the back room of that casino, and you're not coming out. You're going to meet Benedict. You sit down, and then it's an empty table with some metal chairs, and it's Andy Ellisberg there with some brass knucks made out of championship rings.

[Billy Corben]

Two walk in, one walk out.

[Stugatz]

I appreciate you guys, after a lifetime in South Florida, have an appreciation for what Andy Ellisberg looks like. Okay? You have created him as the muscle in casino, and it's not exactly how I think of Andy Ellisberg. He is their chief accountant. You're doing. What are you doing?

[Jeremy Tache]

What are you doing? I have him being the muscle.

[Mike Ryan]

See? Nothing but muscles.

[Dan Le Batard]

None of us have done anything for the record.

[Mike Ryan]

Yeah.

[Dan Le Batard]

This is going to fall on us. We don't like it.

[Jeremy Tache]

No.

[Stugatz]

It's going to fall on you guys for a reason, and that reason is you summoned Andy Ellisberg and strong.

[Chris Cody]

You're not showing the brass knuckles.

[Jeremy Tache]

No.

[Stugatz]

As Pat Riley's muscle, when all he needs defense from is your disrespect. The only thing.

[Jeremy Tache]

The only disrespecting him.

[Stugatz]

All of you guys, look, Chris, Cody, Greg, I don't know how you feel about this. As someone who's a longtime columnist in this community and someone who upholds righteously the idea that the columnist is a standard bearer for having grace about how you criticize people. Your son, Chris, Cody, your son yesterday made jokes about Pat Riley spilling his rings on the floor now and dropping pills on the floor.

[Jeremy Tache]

I don't think.

[Stugatz]

I said.

[Dan Le Batard]

I said marbles. I said, he said he lost his marbles.

[Billy Corben]

Instead of purposely dropping the rings, it's now, I dropped the rings.

[Dan Le Batard]

We've given him plenty of grace. This show is not called for his head. This show is giving voice to. Barely given voice to a narrative that has been out there about Pat Riley for. For a very long time. We are not, you guys, hypercritical.

[Stugatz]

Pat Riley, you were doing senility yesterday. You guys were doing ageism and senility yesterday.

[Dan Le Batard]

No, I am calling into a question something that is out there, which is has. Why has this guy not been able to pull off a big deal when his whole thing is, I pull off big deals. What is it? And we're looking for reasons.

[Stugatz]

Billy, you are condoning violence here.

[Jeremy Tache]

I keep seeing violence, not doing so.

[Dan Le Batard]

We're grabbing at. We're grabbing at reasons. And one of the reasons that people often grab in this situation is, well, has the game passed this person by? We highlighted a couple examples of which he probably admit he misstepped and us pointing to his age is just a piece of data for you to chew on. I've often said he gets to write his own ending. That's a full stop for me. But it doesn't save him from criticisms.

[Stugatz]

On the subject of Kevin Durant, I was telling you I've abstained from reporting anything around Durant over the last couple of months. I've not asked any questions of anybody. But the last time I checked in on Durant, I told you guys, they want picks. Picks is what they want. The Suns need to rebuild everything HP did there. That's what they want. They want picks. I can sit here now and say as a transaction, I believe South Florida would agree with what I'm about to say, which is no promise of Giannis. If I can get KD for a package that does not have wear in it and gets rid of Rosier and Wiggins, I want to make that trade and have this year of Kevin Durant. I think we can all agree on that. That's part of where it is. The anger resides on some of this. I think you'd have consensus there on how could Pat Riley not have done that. And when I say to you guys, well, what am I missing about the reporting? Okay, what am I missing in. I'm not questioning Shams. I'm just saying, like it doesn't make sense that you wouldn't trade Jovic and Highsmith and dump those contracts for Durant. Like I wonder about the picks and again, what Phenix actually wanted and how high Houston was going to keep going if Miami's offer kept getting better because Houston didn't have to give up its assets. Which is the reason we're having this whole conversation of how couldn't Miami outbid Houston and what if I tell you Phoenix wasn't going to let Miami out? Big Houston. Phoenix wanted picks.

[Mike Ryan]

But if you're Miami, you make Houston give as many picks away as possible, much as possible.

[Dan Le Batard]

But that might have been the case when you were doing the reporting on this. Shams and the Miami Heat by via Barry Jackson have come out and said what the deal was and what the tipping point was for Miami. There weren't that many picks. It was mostly players and they drew the line of Jovic in one package or they had an option to go down the where path. That's what the deal was. Those are two very reputable reporters that said that it's not this bounty of picks that it was last year. The data changed and I think Jeremy made exceptional points, if that. I. I'm not going to sit here and argue getting Kevin Durant is a championship move. I will argue it makes you better. It makes the east way more competitive and it may be a move away from being championship contending. But has that been the standard for the last three years? Because what I would say is getting better should be the objective. Or go the other way and get a hell of a lot worse because we have a shining beacon of an example that presently has your first round pick, by the way way that doesn't want to drink any of the beer in the locker room that seems like they're going to be around for 15 years because they did it the other way. So are you going to tread water for three more years? What's the decision that we're making? Because is this move making U.S. championship good? Has that really been the standard for three years? Because I don't think so.

[Billy Corben]

I think they've been trying to upgrade it at role player positions around the core they had because they saw that core go to championships and thought that they could extend more out of it. The misstep we know was that they extended the core that existed with Jimmy for too long if they weren't going to extend him for the long term. So now the question just becomes what is your best and most pragmatic move? Because like you said, if you don't think you're a championship team with just Durant, you need to be able to make some other moves in the margins. That's why you keep Jovic. But if, if Jovic and pick swaps are part of where you're ending up breaking up this deal because you've decided decided you're willing to give up one pick and you're willing to give up Hakez plus some other pieces. You're drawing a line in the sand which goes back to biblical times, John 8, where some have perhaps erroneously interpreted Jesus writing in the sand as drawing a line in the sand in order to address those who were about to stone a woman caught in adultery.

[Stugatz]

All right, Excellent.

[Billy Corben]

This is not a time to be pragmatic.

[Stugatz]

Shams is writing was confusing. It was his fault. Barry saying there was nothing wrong remotely conflicting about the reports, but then admitting the writing was confusing. That was rich. Your information guys, Barry Jackson and Shams. I simply want the most accurate of information, please. That's all I was asking for.

[Greg Cody]

Jeremy, you know something about me, right? You know when I'm grilling outside and it's summertime. You know how I supplement my summertime?

[Billy Corben]

Of course I do.

[Greg Cody]

I make it Miller time.

[Billy Corben]

Of course.

[Greg Cody]

That beautiful white can. Oh, when it's so hot outside, I just. I just put it right to my forehead right there and just roll it sometimes right on the forehead, cool my body down and then I crack it open. Instant relief. And then that first sip, brother, does that first hit.

[Billy Corben]

That is a top five sequence of events that you can possibly go through.

[Greg Cody]

I'm just serenity now. When I just imagine that first sip of Miller Light.

[Billy Corben]

Just thinking about it, it's making me happy.

[Greg Cody]

Dude, the sun is out. It's nice. You have your friends showing up. You got your family there. You just had your a sip of Miller Lite. And you know what? You're happy. You're blissful, you're fulfilled. I've been stocking my cooler with Miller Lite four years and for good reason. It's brewed for taste only. 96 calories and 3.2 grams of carbs. This year, Miller Lite turns 50. That is five decades of cookouts, laughs, and ice cold moments that never miss. It's the original light beer and it's still my.

[Dan Le Batard]

Go to Miller Lite. Great taste.

[Greg Cody]

96 calories. Go to millerlight.com dan to find delivery options near you. Or you can pick up some Miller Lite pretty much anywhere they sell beer. Cheers to 50 years of Miller time. Celebrate responsibly. Miller Brewing Co. Milwaukee, Wisconsin. 96 calories and 3.2 carbs per 12 ounces.