Local Hour: People Forget How Good Barry Bonds Was

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz Episode: Local Hour: People Forget How Good Barry Bonds Was
Release Date: March 14, 2025

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Introduction to the Episode

In this episode of The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz, hosts Dan Le Batard and Stugotz delve into a nostalgic yet critical discussion about baseball legend Barry Bonds and the broader theme of how athletes' legacies are remembered. The conversation seamlessly transitions between sports analytics, pop culture insights, and lighthearted banter, offering listeners a comprehensive exploration of both historical and contemporary topics.

Barry Bonds' Legacy: Forgotten Greatness

The episode kicks off with a deep dive into Barry Bonds' illustrious career and the unfortunate tendency of fans to overlook his exceptional skills. Stugotz (Tony) expresses his fascination with reminiscences from former players, stating, “I love it when it pops up into my thing” (02:15). The hosts discuss how modern audiences often fail to appreciate Bonds' prowess, comparing it to how other sports figures like Muhammad Ali are also sometimes forgotten despite their greatness.

Notable Quote: Dan Le Batard reflects, “People forget how good Barry Bonds was. No matter how good he is, can’t remember how good he was” (13:28).

The Power of Storytelling in Sports

A significant portion of the discussion revolves around the importance of storytelling in sports. The hosts debate whether fans are drawn to baseball due to the captivating stories athletes share rather than the technical aspects of the game. Tony emphasizes his appreciation for personal anecdotes from players, highlighting how these stories enhance his understanding and enjoyment of baseball.

Notable Quote: Tony remarks, “I just like hearing these two great players tell me the story of how they navigated this thing” (08:01).

Analysis of Barry Bonds' Fastball Video

The conversation shifts to a specific Barry Bonds video where he discusses hitting 100 mph fastballs. Tony critiques the video, arguing its unrealistic portrayal and questioning the feasibility of such feats, especially in the context of aging athletes.

Notable Quote: Tony comments, “All I did was change this object to a bat. Boom. Boom. I ain't got to change nothing” (08:37).

The Dr. J Dunking at 75 Video Debunked

Another highlight is the debunking of a viral video purportedly showing basketball legend Dr. Julius Erving (Dr. J) dunking at the age of 75. The hosts analyze the video's authenticity, noting inconsistencies in audio quality and the improbability of such an athletic feat at that age. Stugotz shares his experience of being "got got" by the video, underscoring the challenges of discerning reality from enhanced media.

Notable Quote: Stugotz reveals, “The question was, how old were you when you first dunked? And when you hear that, you realize how stupid I feel” (22:25).

Pop Culture Segment: Rebecca Black and Katy Perry Tour

Transitioning from sports, the hosts discuss the announcement of Rebecca Black joining Katy Perry on tour. They joke about the pairing, questioning the viability and appeal of such a collaboration. The segment explores themes of nostalgia in music, artist relevance, and audience expectations.

Notable Quote: Tony muses, “But you started thinking about all the songs. I was like, yo, she got a lot of songs, man” (30:09).

Reflections on Pop Music Artists’ Relevance

The discussion broadens to examine how established pop artists like Katy Perry, Lady Gaga, and Rihanna maintain their relevance in a rapidly evolving music industry. The hosts debate the effectiveness of newer music releases versus leveraging past hits to sustain an artist's legacy.

Notable Quote: Dan Le Batard observes, “Lady Gaga, by the way, is the perfect example here of... playing to the nostalgia of the beginning of her career while making new music” (34:15).

Sports Stats: Minnesota Timberwolves’ Recent Performance

Returning to sports, the hosts analyze the Minnesota Timberwolves' performance, highlighting their impressive 11-game winning streak when Julius Randle is on the court. They delve into the implications of individual player performance on team success and discuss the statistical significance of Randle’s contributions.

Notable Quote: Dan Le Batard states, “The Minnesota Timberwolves are 11-0 in the last 11 games that Julius Randle has played” (35:34).

Discussion on NBA Finals and Hotel Booking Strategies

The episode concludes with a strategic discussion on anticipating NBA Finals locations and the challenges of booking accommodations in high-demand cities. Tony shares his experiences of last-minute hotel bookings in Cleveland, emphasizing the importance of early planning to avoid exorbitant prices and limited availability.

Notable Quote: Tony advises, “I've got to start booking hotels for the finals because if you wait until we figure out what the finals matchup is going to be, they're either all sold out and you got to stay 20 minutes out of town” (36:50).

Conclusion

In this episode of The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz, listeners are treated to a blend of sports nostalgia, analytical discussions, and engaging pop culture commentary. Through insightful conversations and humorous exchanges, the hosts highlight the enduring impact of legendary athletes like Barry Bonds while also navigating the complexities of maintaining relevance in both sports and entertainment industries.

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Timestamps Reference:

• 02:15
• 08:01
• 13:28
• 08:37
• 22:25
• 30:09
• 34:15
• 35:34
• 36:50

Transcript

[Dan Le Batard]

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[Stugotz]

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[Tony]

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[Jeremy]

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[Tony]

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[Jeremy]

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[Tony]

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[Tony]

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[Jeremy]

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[Tony]

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[Jeremy]

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[Tony]

Cuervo. This is the Dan Levatar show with the Stu Guts podcast. You know, as I get older, two things happen to me with my relationship with baseball. Number one is I don't know what's happening. I don't watch any of these games. Most of the names I recognize are the sons of players that I knew from a yesteryear. Right? And at the same time, I've discovered a deep love and affection and a desire for my Instagram algorithm to continue giving me baseball videos. Like, these videos of, like, Barry Bonds talking about the good old days and Greg Maddox and all that stuff. I'm here for all of it. I was watching one of my Ken Griffey Jr. Talking about, like, the first time he turned his hat backwards or whatever. I'm fascinated by all this stuff. I love it when it pops up into my thing. Sometimes they're talking about, like, stuff that happened in AAA and I'm, is this just a.

[Stugotz]

Like, is this just an extended version of the 90s baseball game? Is it just because of nostalgia? Or could it be, like, a player from 2015 telling you a story and you're like, okay with it?

[Tony]

Sometimes it's a player from 2015 telling the story. I just like the stories. The stories are really interesting. It seems like baseball players have interesting stories.

[Dan Le Batard]

Do you think it's because you're now, like, learning something about the game as they're telling you that story? Because you maybe don't. Don't know it on that intimid of level to where they're giving you their expertise? Or is this just their good storytellers? Because to me, this is sort of similar to how, like, there are a lot of basketball fans who tangentially follow it only through trades and rumors and aren't actually watching basketball.

[Tony]

Yeah, no, it's absolutely the same variety as that. I guess the basketball equivalent would be, imagine if someone discovered basketball or rediscovered their love of basketball through Jeff Teague stories. Like, it's not even like you grew up on Jeff Teague playing, but Jeff Teague telling stories about things that happened and then he walked into practice.

[Stugotz]

It doesn't even have to be Jeff Teague to me, because, like, I'm watching videos and it's like, wow, this Tom Gugliotta guy was a problem. And they basically just like, break down his entire game.

[Tony]

I don't.

[Stugotz]

Tom Googliot.

[Tony]

I'm not.

[Jeremy]

I mean, you said Barry Bonds earlier. You gonna go with Jeff Teague as a comparison?

[Tony]

Well, no, I'm just saying, like, my thing is this. I just use Barry Bonds. Cause it's on the sheet and that's the video we're gonna throw it to in a second. But it's not what Izzy just said I could care less about. Like, and this is why Jeff Konine was so good. Look at his location. Like, I'm. I'm not here for any of that. I don't care. But I do care about Jeff Conine telling a story about how one time I was getting drunk with John Rocker and then so. And so what? Like, I know. I'm just saying, like, whatever, Whatever names. Or sometimes it could be names that I don't know. It was Mike Chibiata. And Mike Chibiata came in and said, hey, man, who took my pizza?

[Dan Le Batard]

And like, so what you're saying is, like, Rob Nen needs a podcast.

[Tony]

Is he a good storyteller?

[Dan Le Batard]

I don't know. But one of that level of player. Like, we need like, a Jeff T. Caliber of player. A former big leaguer who was either a borderline all star or an all star. Once or twice that type of level of big leaguer. If they. A few of those guys started podcasts and just had a bunch of old big leaguers coming back, Joey Votto actually.

[Stugotz]

Would be the guy to do this. Kevin Millar.

[Dan Le Batard]

Oh, Kevin Exactly.

[Tony]

I've seen him on what's his name Podcast with Julian Edelman's podcast, and he seems to have great.

[Jeremy]

He's.

[Tony]

He seems to have good stories because.

[Dan Le Batard]

He'S played with so many, like, legends of the game and was part of the 2004 Red Sox. So he's got that whole tie in.

[Tony]

Is there any way I can learn more about that team?

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah, you can watch a documentary about it where it's produced by Metal Arc Media on Netflix.

[Stugotz]

Oh, wow. Okay, what's this Barry Bonds video?

[Tony]

So apparently, and I'm gonna let the video guys queue it up, but it's a video about Barry Bonds talking about hitting 100 mile per hours fastballs. And to me it's like, see, the exception to your googlyata thing is I saw a series of videos that T. Mac was doing like two months ago. He did like three or four of them and then he stopped. But it was basically like, this is what I was looking for every single time. The moment the defender does like, if it's Tom Gugliotta telling me this, now I'm in. But if it's like some nerd who's trying to tell me, like, I watched every single Tom Gugliotta game, like, I don't care about people breaking it.

[Stugotz]

But it wasn't. And by the way, we're gonna have to vamp for a while. Cause I was just told nowhere back there is this video.

[Tony]

Um, why do we have a sheet?

[Stugotz]

But the thing that gets me about those videos. Thing that gets is just the wow factor. They're like, odd. It's like when you have these, like, kids listen to, like, Nirvana for the first time or Smells like teeth, they're like, wow, this is a banger. And so they're just like, oh, my goodness, look at this Gugliana. He had a drop step. He had a jumper.

[Tony]

I was like, I hate those videos too. I hate those videos too. Where it's like kid listens to Enter the Sandman for the first time. Like, okay, whoa, whoa. Shut up. You've heard this song before.

[Amin]

Juan Soto was on a podcast with two other Hispanic guys and they were talking in Spanish. So Juan was able to actually, like, go through.

[Stugotz]

Are we sure it wasn't Paul Goldschmidt?

[Amin]

It was 100% Juan Soto.

[Jeremy]

Clean shaven Paul Gold.

[Amin]

It wasn't because he was. He was throwing in Dominican slang, which I thought at that time, Paul Goldschmidt. That picture of him was Dominican.

[Jeremy]

But it was.

[Amin]

So Soto's talking about an at bat that he had against the Guardians in the playoffs or something. He's talking about how a guy threw him a slider this way and he waited. He hit a foul ball. He threw him the nasty change up he had ever seen. He swung and hit the foul ball. And he knew at that point, okay, I got you. You threw me your best two pitches. There's nothing that you can do. So he's like, all right. I sat on the slider. It came back. He's like, the only one they hadn't thrown me was the fast boy. So he threw it up and I smacked it out of the park. So he's talking about it with these two guys and he's like, I knew exactly when he threw me that change up. That was the nastiest pitch I've seen and I hit it. It was over for him.

[Dan Le Batard]

This is what I was saying Amin about, like learning about the game. Because I think part of this is when you hear these stories, when you hear these guys talk about singular at bats that they remember. There was this documentary with Barry Bonds and Greg Maddox where it was really about. It was a Greg Maddox documentary on MLB Network. But they broke down this singular at bat where he gave up a home run to Barry Bonds. And it was a similar conversation to what you're talking about, Tony. Where they're going through each pitch and the sequencing and why they know. All right, now the count is two and one. This is the pitch he's going to throw me. It's why I'm going to hit a home run. And these are the things that if you're just, you know, watching the game casually and don't really know, you don't understand, like the chess match that's happening each pitch where Greg Maddox was not only setting up a singular at bat, he's throwing pitches in the first at bat so that when he faces Barry Bonds the third time in the game in the seventh inning, he has him off balance. That's the stuff that to me, like.

[Tony]

I eat up Jeremy. But like, like, you're like, did you learn anything? I'm like, it's not about learning. It's just I like hearing these two great players tell me the story of how they navigated this thing, right? And so we've got the video queued up. He's actually talking to Stack and Matt Barnes on all the smoke. 100 mile fastballs. Pissed to you today. You hitting any of them out? Hundred. That's easy right now today, I don't care how hard you throw a baseball, they gone there Ain't no way you could throw a baseball. Six. Six. I can't just do like this. If there's a catcher behind home plate that sits like this, when you throw 100 miles down, he'd just go like this. I agree with him.

[Stugotz]

Boom.

[Tony]

All I did was change this object to a bat. Boom. Boom. I ain't got to change nothing. I just changed the object right now. Now, if you're asking me to do something spectacular, that would take time for my body to get used to it at 60. But just going up there. But to go up there and hit it, I don't care how hard you throw it. Yeah. As long as I can see it, I hit it. How good is his eyesight?

[Stugotz]

Is that. Is that the insight that you were like? Are you shocked by that? Like, I can just put a bat in front of 100 mile per hour pitch and it'll go the distance?

[Tony]

Well, he didn't say go to distance. He said hit it.

[Jeremy]

No, put bat on ball. I mean, you could bun it.

[Tony]

Yeah, he's saying, I can hit 100 mile per hour.

[Amin]

Is it an H thing, too? Like him at 60 still being able to do it? Because like, Dr. J famously, on his birthday, every year goes and dunks it to prove Marcus. Dunk it.

[Tony]

Marcus Johnson.

[Jeremy]

Every year. It's been a little bit for Dr. J doing the dunking.

[Tony]

Marcus Johnson does that every year.

[Jeremy]

Well, Dr. J is trying to pretend like we ain't notice.

[Tony]

He's lost. He's lost a step. Is that what you're saying?

[Amin]

75 years old.

[Jeremy]

Prove it.

[Tony]

Dr. Juju put it on the poll. Has Dr. J lost his step?

[Jeremy]

Just saying. It used to be an annual thing, you know, I guess lockdown, but It's a different Dr. J now. And he's trying to pretend like the Last memory of Dr. J is Dunkin for Tony. Just saying maybe he's tried and he failed. And he's like, let's not put that one out.

[Tony]

Of course you wouldn't like that. Yes. You just stopped doing the video. Oh, I can't do it anymore, guys.

[Jeremy]

He's like, okay, the year is 63. When you're 63, you can't dunk anymore.

[Tony]

Well, guess what?

[Jeremy]

It would be helpful.

[Tony]

Let's have Dr. J on as a guest. Matt Sullivan. Get us Dr. J as a guest so we can just ask him one question and he can go on his way.

[Jeremy]

When was it? I mean, this is a. This is a very important data point. For the last time, Tony and I.

[Stugotz]

How old is Marques Johnson. Is it Marquez or Marcus?

[Tony]

Marcus. Marcus Johnson is. He's got to be around Dr. J's age. Maybe a little younger. He's a little younger because he like his prime was in the 80s and Dr. J's was in the 70s. So whatever Dr. J is, he probably about 10 years old. 10 years younger. Marcus Johnson.

[Jeremy]

Yeah.

[Tony]

Still like six, eight.

[Jeremy]

How tall is Dr. J?

[Tony]

Six.

[Stugotz]

Are we sure? Because we shrink a little bit.

[Amin]

Gravity gets us on the way down.

[Dan Le Batard]

Marcus Johnson, he's 69 years old.

[Tony]

Nice. There you go.

[Jeremy]

Yeah.

[Stugotz]

Can I. This is a video I know we have ready.

[Tony]

So look, there's Dr. J parking at 74. 74 guys. 74.

[Jeremy]

Yeah, but how old is that video?

[Tony]

How old is Dr. J right now?

[Jeremy]

That's a good way to.

[Tony]

That's how we do math.

[Jeremy]

You are a sleuth.

[Dan Le Batard]

He is 75 years old.

[Tony]

Last year. That was last year. Last year. Let's go.

[Jeremy]

No, no, no. Where was the video from? 75 years old.

[Stugotz]

That video is from six months ago. Can we check how tall the rim is though? How high?

[Dan Le Batard]

Oh, he turned 75 on February 22nd. So it's been three weeks.

[Tony]

It's been cold.

[Amin]

It has been cold.

[Tony]

Even though he's at a gym, he's like sugat.

[Jeremy]

I need the video because I now the age is 75. That's a tipping point.

[Dan Le Batard]

I also believe entirely in what Barry Bonds is saying, by the way.

[Tony]

Well, you got to see it, right?

[Dan Le Batard]

I think Barry Bonds probably on five teams in baseball could be a designated hitter against right handed pitching. Because in the, in the modern, in the modern game, if his eyes are still. No, if his eyes are still the same as they were because this game has become so much about home run, strikeout or walk. And he had the greatest eye in the history of the sport. So at the very least he'd basically go first pitch swinging on fastballs and try to occasionally hit one out. He might hit 10 homers in a season by lucking into it. But his eye was so incredible that I bet his on base percentage could be good enough that there are some teams in which he could be an effective designated hitter against right handed pitching.

[Jeremy]

Only they are not going to walk him.

[Tony]

I bet.

[Dan Le Batard]

You don't think so.

[Jeremy]

No.

[Tony]

All right, Jeremy. What Jeremy's doing is the old Bill Russell, which is someone's asked Bill Russell once, like, hey, how would you do in today's game? And Bill Russell said, oh, probably about like 12 points, maybe, maybe 10 or 11 rebounds. And the guy's like, wow, like, you think the game, the speed of the game would affect you that much in the athleticism of the modern game. He's like, well, yeah, I'm 75 years old. Exactly right. That's. That's what you're doing right there. It's like, yeah, Barry Bonds. How would you do in today's game? Probably about 10 homers. Really?

[Dan Le Batard]

I forget how good he was, dad.

[Tony]

But like, that's the thing. I would. I wish I had a large enough show where I could be like, we're gonna get Barry Bonds as a guest and the first thing we're doing is we're gonna do an eye chart and I'm just gonna be like, yo, read the lowest line that you can. I wanna know how good his eyes are.

[Jeremy]

This is a weird sports science reboot.

[Tony]

I know, right?

[Jeremy]

That and forcing a 75 year old Dr. J to dunk to dunk. Because his annual video is three weeks late.

[Tony]

There you go.

[Stugotz]

We can't let Jeremy get away with. People don't remember how good Barry Bonds was.

[Tony]

People don't remember.

[Dan Le Batard]

No matter how good he is, can't remember how good he was.

[Stugotz]

Just listen to this show.

[Tony]

Well, Dan remembers.

[Jeremy]

Yeah.

[Tony]

Like, that's like the North. Remember?

[Jeremy]

People forget Muhammad Ali, good boxer.

[Tony]

Yeah, people do forget. Hey, guys, I did my annual thing. Speaking of things that happen annually, every year, roughly around this time, on the other side of the All Star break before we get to the playoffs.

[Jeremy]

Can we put it on the poll?

[Tony]

Sure.

[Jeremy]

Do people forget how good of a baseball.

[Tony]

Yes.

[Dan Le Batard]

What I've realized is what I meant to say was in his last season, when his body was breaking down and all of that, but I realized that what I now said was, oh, people don't remember that the greatest hitter of all time was good at baseball.

[Stugotz]

That Gretzky guy that now takes over for Stu Gatsby.

[Dan Le Batard]

That's on me.

[Stugotz]

They want some stuff in Edmonton. Huh?

[Tony]

Did he say that for real?

[Stugotz]

Yes.

[Tony]

Oh, man.

[Stugotz]

Even though Wayne Gretzky is the goat, he should know everything about the goats. People don't remember he won in Edmonton.

[Tony]

People don't remember. I always feel like his code for I don't remember sometimes. Right. That's what you're doing.

[Jeremy]

You're like, I love everybody in there.

[Tony]

Yeah. Then everyone else. It's like when Dan asked, why aren't.

[Dan Le Batard]

People asking to find some stats from that last season so you guys can see what I was talking about?

[Jeremy]

The video that we played was from.

[Tony]

11 years ago of Dr. J.

[Jeremy]

Of Dr. J, when he was 74. That was when he was 63 years old.

[Tony]

So who's out here doctoring video?

[Jeremy]

Well, that was a real video. I get. I get the joke. That was a real video. But he wasn't 74 when he did it.

[Tony]

See? Can't believe everything you see on the Internet.

[Stugotz]

Update for me, it was uploaded six months ago, not taken six months ago. Apologies, America.

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[Dan Le Batard]

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[Stugotz]

They are every day.

[Tony]

Stugats this is the Dan Levatar show with the Stugats.

[Stugotz]

There is a video that I know is relatively recent. We just got got right by that video. I got got so bad and I'm so glad that Tony's wearing a Team USA hat because it made me think of it. We touched on it at the top of Oddball. So sorry about repeats here if you've heard this. But Mike, you tell me, should we play the video that has a fake element to it first and then explain why I got got? I don't even have to explain. It'll Be very easily. Or should we explain it first and then play the video?

[Jeremy]

Play the fake video.

[Stugotz]

Play the fake video.

[Tony]

It's a real video.

[Stugotz]

It's a real video.

[Tony]

It's a real video.

[Stugotz]

It's a real video element. There's a fake element in the video. And I believe that whoever put this out decided to wait a good amount of time from the Olympics until now, because I'll give you a little insight into what the video is. I believe I saw the video during the Olympics.

[Tony]

Yes. Okay.

[Stugotz]

I believe I saw, and it was not memorable. Right. So that's why when I saw what I saw the other day, I was like, okay, I don't remember any of these answers. I don't remember the video at all. And then by the end of it, I was still certain that it was, like, I shared it with, like, my sister. I shared it with Anthony. And I was just like, this is wild. And. And I'm vamping here because we don't have the video yet. But this is how badly I got got, though, because as I'm talking about it, the first person I told it to knew it was one of the producers on Oddball. He knew exactly what I was talking about. He let me get to the end of the story before he was like, yeah.

[Tony]

That's how you found out it was not real.

[Stugotz]

That's how I found out.

[Tony]

I thought you just knew because by the end of the video, it's pretty obvious.

[Stugotz]

Play the video.

[Tony]

Play the video.

[Jeremy]

Where were you when you lost your VI.

[Tony]

19 years old. Freshman in college. Took me that long. Davis in college feed two hands. It's a loud day on campus that day.

[Stugotz]

Seventeen.

[Tony]

Probably the last one here. Fourteen. No, let's count fifteen. Fifteen going on sixteen. The summer before my sophomore year, my dad has it on video.

[Stugotz]

Two years old.

[Tony]

No, I was 14. Yeah, 14. I was 13 years old. 13, maybe. 13. I'm 13. 13 years old. 12. 12 or 13?

[Amin]

11.

[Tony]

How tall were you at 11?

[Stugotz]

I was so floored. I was like, well, wait, here, let me give you my thinking on this. All right? So for those who don't know. Wait, is it obvious what the actual question was to everybody?

[Jeremy]

Yeah, okay, for sure. Lebron's lyin.

[Stugotz]

When I first watch the video, I'm saying to myself, oh, they're obviously starting with Steph, because if Steph answers the question, everybody else will answer the question, right? So I'm like, okay, Steph. And. And this one where Amin got me with the. With the two hands.

[Tony]

Two hands, two feet.

[Stugotz]

I'm Thinking it's just. He's just counting how old he is on both hands. He needs both hands and both feet to count how old he is. The part that I didn't listen to is a loud day on campus that day, which I should have said, why does all of campus know that Steph Curry has lost his virginity?

[Jeremy]

Was just how cool they were with a question. Steph was like, yeah, no, this is like a regular postgame question.

[Stugotz]

That's exactly. And then here's the other dead giveaway. When Tyrese Halliburton said that my dad has video of it, but I'd also heard some weird shit about his dad, so I was like, wait, I don't know. Maybe that I'm going to have.

[Tony]

Oh, shove.

[Dan Le Batard]

What happened there?

[Tony]

This is. This is how Izzy imagined it, right? It's like, that's my boy. That's my. You get. I'm sorry.

[Stugotz]

No, no, I actually turn around. I had it as an accidental recording, and his dad was like, well, I'm just gonna keep it.

[Tony]

I was like, it's like, all right, it's time to watch Back to the Future too. Oh, wait a second. This isn't Back to the Future too. Who burned over my dvd?

[Stugotz]

Oddly enough, the one person where it was like a split second, where I was like, wait a second, that couldn't possibly be true. Or he couldn't possibly had answered it that casually was Kevin Durant. Because Kevin Durant doesn't share this type of stuff. He would have. He was just like 13. And I was like, wait a second. But then the way my heart dropped when they got to Bam, and Bam said 11. And I was like, oh, Bam, sex crimes, clutching your pearls. And then the follow up, if I had pearls so clutched, the follow up was really where it should have gotten me. The follow up on Bam being how tall were you when you were 11? I was just like, that's not my follow up question, but whatever. And yeah, the question was, how old were you when you first dunked? And when you hear that, you realize how stupid I feel. But I honestly, like, I wanted that moment. Like, I want to be able to be fooled. I wanted that clutching pearls moment from Bam. And I was like, I'm glad that I got faked out there because it was totally worth it. Now I just have to tell my sister that that's not real.

[Tony]

So two things. Number one, again, the number of answers that were just like, this doesn't fit for the question posted, right?

[Stugotz]

Or does it?

[Tony]

Number two, the fact that when you listen to the beginning of the video. It's clearly a dub over, right? It's completely different sound quality. It's very clear.

[Stugotz]

When you're on the toilet and you don't have headphones in, how is that clear?

[Tony]

Okay, maybe. Maybe without cans.

[Amin]

Little echoey in the inner bathroom.

[Stugotz]

It all sounds the same.

[Tony]

But number three again, the number of lines in there. Two hands, two feet. Loud day on campus. My dad has tape up.

[Stugotz]

The loud day on campus might have slipped past the.

[Tony]

I'll tell you, the one that sold me for a second was when Embiid said 17. And the other guy says he's a late starter.

[Stugotz]

Yeah, he's a late starter.

[Tony]

Two hands, two feet. Two hands, two feet. I was like. I was like, how is this happening?

[Stugotz]

No, you guys have that. What? As a pose that I was thinking he was two hands, two feet. And, I mean, it's obvious to me. It's like counting how old he was. He needs both hands and both feet.

[Amin]

That would have never crossed my mind, counting with hands and toes on how old I was.

[Tony]

It's really. In terms of the brilliance of the video, what Izzy described is exactly what the ball sacks and the Sentels are going for. It's like, it can't just be fake. It has to be fake, but something that you would believe to be real. Right. The idea that Steph Curry wouldn't lose his virginity until he got to David.

[Stugotz]

And the way he said it, like, he was ashamed of his face. He was like, 19.

[Tony]

You want to believe, right? Like the X Files. I want to believe. Right. The other thing is, it's perfect. Like, this is one of the best viral videos because this person watched the video and said, I'm just going to dub one line in there and then let the rest of the video do the work. It is brilliant. As opposed to. I don't know if you guys have been seeing the deep fakes that happen. It's like. It'll be like a Draymond Green press conference, and it'll say outlandish stuff. And guess what, guys? I found out how to suss out a deepfake.

[Jeremy]

The teeth?

[Tony]

No, it's the voice. The voice has no intonation. It is always at the same kind of thing. Yeah. And then I slapped him and I slapped his mom, and that's how I feel. And it sounds exactly like them, but it's like, there's never any inflections or anything like that. So I figured out how to avoid being deep faked. It's just to talk wildly and then Go quiet. That's why Stephen A. Smith talks the way he does, because that way he can't get deep. Fake the goat. It's brilliant. It's a brilliant tell, I'm telling you.

[Stugotz]

So you're saying Stephen A. Was ahead of the game?

[Tony]

He was ahead of the game.

[Stugotz]

Wait until AI Gets here. I got something for him.

[Tony]

He was like the bad guy in Madame Web saying, like, one day they're gonna figure out the technology, how to find people. When they do, I'll find these people and kill them first.

[Jeremy]

Everyone gets the reference.

[Stugotz]

I mean, I was about to say Madame Web.

[Tony]

Madame Web.

[Jeremy]

A huge box office smash.

[Tony]

Hey, man.

[Jeremy]

Critical acclaim.

[Tony]

What?

[Stugotz]

It was like a file you filed that I filed.

[Tony]

Madame Web. Yeah.

[Jeremy]

I didn't finish it.

[Tony]

I don't like Dakota Johnson is what I found out.

[Jeremy]

Yeah, same.

[Tony]

She's a little smug. I don't like her.

[Jeremy]

A little. Yeah, that's her thing. But there were more problems than just Dakota.

[Tony]

Were there?

[Jeremy]

Yeah. Were you reminded enough that it was, like, about 20 years ago in that film? I don't think there were enough pop culture references to establish that. What do you think of Idol last night?

[Tony]

Of who?

[Jeremy]

What do you think of Idol last night?

[Tony]

Idol, That's. You threw me off because I'm like, is it Idol on, like. Lionel Richie is one of the guests or not even the guest host. He's one of the hosts.

[Jeremy]

Yeah.

[Tony]

Lionel Richie and who else?

[Jeremy]

Luke Bryan, Katy Perry, Carrie Underwood.

[Dan Le Batard]

Oh, really, you guys, Carrie Underwood's back.

[Jeremy]

Now because Katy Perry's touring, I guess, you know, he's opening up for you don't know even.

[Dan Le Batard]

I'm not.

[Tony]

No, you don't know.

[Dan Le Batard]

I was. More Katy Perry's tour schedule, unfortunately. Well, I know that Rebecca Black is joining her on tour.

[Stugotz]

It's Friday.

[Jeremy]

She's opening which shows, and the tour is. Dude, they stapled her to the tour to move units.

[Tony]

Really?

[Jeremy]

Yeah.

[Dan Le Batard]

Pretty wild.

[Tony]

Would you spend juju Put on the. On the poll. Would you spend money to go watch Rebecca Black live in concert?

[Jeremy]

She did a boiler room.

[Dan Le Batard]

How much money? If I can get, like, a cheapish tick, like 30 bucks.

[Tony]

Well, what are they playing? What kind of venues are they playing?

[Dan Le Batard]

I would imagine they're playing.

[Amin]

What kind of venues do you think they're playing?

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah. For Katy Perry, I would imagine they're big. I think it's arenas, I think.

[Jeremy]

Cassia, Right?

[Tony]

That's pretty bad.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah.

[Jeremy]

That I'm struggling to sell.

[Tony]

Well, that makes sense.

[Dan Le Batard]

Like, by the way, Barry Bonds led Major League Baseball and walks in 2007, as a 42 year old, he had 132 walks. Aaron Judge. Last year, in one of the historically great seasons of all time, in the middle of his prime, 133 walks.

[Tony]

Dog.

[Jeremy]

People forget.

[Tony]

He's forget.

[Dan Le Batard]

People forget how good Aaron Judge is.

[Tony]

People forget how good Katy Perry was. I mean, she got a cat.

[Dan Le Batard]

Nobody better.

[Tony]

Her catalog is incredible.

[Jeremy]

Yeah, I liked her Super Bowl. Teenage Dream.

[Dan Le Batard]

Great album, Killer.

[Tony]

I'm going to tell you, man, it's like sometimes I always have these realizations late. Like Jeremy realizing that Barry Bonds was actually a pretty good baseball player that, you know, sometimes, like, I remember I went to years ago, I went to Migos opening for Drake. And I was like, so you went to a Drake? I went to a Drake concert. But like, they were like, migos is opening. I'm like, all right, what are they gonna do? Like bad and bougie and keep it moving. And then like, they start. They started an hour and a half late. Which, by the way, that's showbiz, baby. The union fines for being.

[Jeremy]

They pulled that stuff at Lalapolis.

[Tony]

Lose the overages out the wazoo.

[Stugotz]

This Rebecca Black has quite the wreck.

[Tony]

They can't. What?

[Stugotz]

I've never seen her before.

[Tony]

Really? Yeah, well, she was a child before, so I don't. I don't know.

[Jeremy]

It's also things that a straight guy can't say, I think.

[Stugotz]

Right. That's why I said it. You're welcome.

[Tony]

Guys, you're gay.

[Stugotz]

There it is.

[Tony]

So you were saying they go. And they go song after song after song after song after song. And I'm like, jesus Christ. I somehow didn't realize Bangers that they make music. No, but it's just like every song I knew is a hit and it is a hit, not like a deep cut or a B side. Every song. So like, similarly, Katy Perry. I'm like, Katy Perry. I'm not going to a Katy Perry concert. Then I started thinking about all the songs. I was like, yo, she got a lot of songs, man. She got a lot of songs. And now you're telling me people aren't going to go see Katy Perry, but they're gonna go see Rebecca Black.

[Jeremy]

The people that are buying the tickets.

[Tony]

Yeah. Oh, losers. Everything's ironic now.

[Jeremy]

Buy a ticket. That's Morissette. It's just her last album, like, totally flopped. So I don't.

[Tony]

I'm not there to hear her last album.

[Jeremy]

Pop music, you gotta kinda stay relevant. The only person that's been able to do that where they Just like kinda bomb in for like, hey, I've been away for 15 years. It's been Cher.

[Tony]

But here's the thing. I think there's a difference. You're saying Katy Perry's last album flopped. I'm thinking about. I'm not here for Katy Perry's new music at this point. She's a legacy act. Right. She's a nostalgia act.

[Stugotz]

Aren't we not over. But aren't we not listening to as much new music anymore? Because people aren't listening to the radio necessarily.

[Jeremy]

There's a lot of music discovery with social media and like TikTok and whatnot. It's just. Yeah.

[Tony]

Enter the Sandman.

[Jeremy]

She's in a. She's in a weird. She's in a weird place where she went a couple album cycles without a real huge hit. Kind of became a little bit of a joke.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah, she got embarrassed recently. Like her most recent singles have been trash.

[Jeremy]

Got the Dr. Luke stuff hanging over it.

[Dan Le Batard]

So it's a big part of it.

[Jeremy]

Pop music is one of those. Rihanna is going to be able to pull it off. No, but she's like one of the biggest artists of all.

[Tony]

But she's doing it. Like, to me, there's like, Beyonce is doing it.

[Dan Le Batard]

She's active beyond between going away and coming back. You're saying of like genuinely not releasing a record for a decade and then trying to come back and make something.

[Tony]

New, like Mary J. Blige. I'm not going to marry J. Blige to go listen to her new music. I want her to play the hits. Do Wonderwall, basically.

[Jeremy]

I'll say an artist that I actually respect. I like Carly Rae Jepsen. But she had to keep it going to keep ascending in terms of venues, and now she's a timeout.

[Stugotz]

I don't think Mary J. Blige sang Wonderwall.

[Tony]

No, I know, but that's a joke. I was doing a reference to something else.

[Jeremy]

People forget.

[Tony]

People forget. Yeah. People forget about Wonderwall. Carly Rae Depton had another song after Call Me maybe Carly Raptor.

[Jeremy]

She plays Coachella, she plays festivals. She's got a lot of respect as a songwriter and as a music artist. She puts out good music.

[Tony]

I'm not here with the songwriter.

[Jeremy]

She did. Well, you often don't know, like, what she's writing.

[Tony]

I don't trust it. That's what they do. They'd be like, oh, you like that huge hit song? I wrote that, like, okay, I'm gonna take it.

[Amin]

How about you sing it?

[Tony]

Yeah, number one. It was so Great. And you're a singer. Why didn't you make it a hit? Why'd you give it to someone else? Number one.

[Jeremy]

I'll give you an example of where it's a great singer that wrote a song and just someone was such a star. Not even a better voice, but it just took it next level. And use the recent example of Rihanna. Sia wrote Shine Bright Like a Diamond.

[Tony]

Yeah. Guess what? You know why?

[Jeremy]

But Sia's got a better voice.

[Tony]

No, she doesn't.

[Jeremy]

Then Rihanna, Come on, Isn't the dream.

[Stugotz]

The dream's a quality artist who writes.

[Jeremy]

A lot for her. What, like you think Rihanna has a better voice than Sia? No. Okay. No, I agree with you, Mike. No, Sia's got like an all time voice. All time voice.

[Tony]

She just wails. That's what she does.

[Jeremy]

Excuse me.

[Tony]

She bulletproof, right? Isn't she bulletproof?

[Jeremy]

No, that's Larue.

[Tony]

Ah, that's the same shit, man. Hey, guys, let's talk about hoops.

[Jeremy]

It is mostly.

[Tony]

What are we doing?

[Dan Le Batard]

Finally, man, I really thought that you wanted to keep talking about, like female pop stars from 2009.

[Tony]

Yeah, well, you didn't buy a ticket, so we're not gonna.

[Dan Le Batard]

Katy Perry, Lady Gaga, Taylor Swift continues to make music all popular at the same time.

[Tony]

To me, there's two piles. There's two piles. There's a pile where, like, I'm still doing this shit. And there's a pile there. Remember when I had the biggest hit in the world? Katy Perry's in the second pile.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yes.

[Jeremy]

But it's difficult for a woman in that age range in pop music to embrace the fact that she is now a nostalgia act.

[Dan Le Batard]

Lady Gaga, by the way, is the perfect example here of. She Was Gigantic has remained popular in terms of pop culture, but her music people really did not, like, go crazy for the last couple of albums. But now she just released a new album that sounds a lot like the stuff she was making 15 years ago. And that was the perfect play because she's playing to the nostalgia of the beginning of her career while making new music and took the time off to act, which is sort of similar like to what Justin Timberlake did between Future Sex Love Sounds and then the 2020 experience, that same type of thing.

[Tony]

Hey, lady, it's your cousin Sissy Gaga. You know that new song you've been looking for? Well, listen to this. And she plays her old music back to her. She's like, oh, snap. This is going to be the future right here.

[Stugotz]

Can we play a banger from 20 years ago.

[Tony]

Right.

[Stugotz]

Can you hit the start of the week? Start of the day, start of the.

[Tony]

Week, Start of the day. It is the start of the day.

[Jeremy]

Short one. Start of the day, start of the day.

[Tony]

It is the start of the day. Start of the day, Start of the day. It is the start of the day. Start of the day, Start of the day. It is the start of the day.

[Jeremy]

Hey, Stat of the day is brought to you by NYX Professional Makeup Shop [e-mail] or retailer near you.

[Stugotz]

You know what, do we have a Venmo read too? Cuz I'm going to find myself here. That's got to be $10, right? For calling it stat of the week. It's like I've never listened to this freaking show a day of my life. Like I'm.

[Tony]

Well, a week of your life.

[Stugotz]

Go ahead, Jeremy.

[Jeremy]

People forget.

[Tony]

People forget.

[Stugotz]

I forget.

[Dan Le Batard]

The Minnesota Timberwolves are 110 in the last 11 games that Julius Randle has played.

[Stugotz]

Naturally.

[Jeremy]

So is he good or bad?

[Stugotz]

Is he better than Gobert and what does that mean?

[Jeremy]

I've got two of those guys that I don't know. I thought Julius Randle was bad situationally. So if you put a situational guy next to another situational guy, they've had 11 straight situations where like, this really.

[Stugotz]

Works in all that situation, it would be amazing.

[Tony]

You know what the situation where they're not good is the playoffs.

[Jeremy]

But they. But they eliminated the Nuggets last year. They made it to the Western Conference finals. So like, that really confused me because I was all on, okay, we'll find out about the T Wolves here. And then I found out about the T Wolves and they're pretty freaking great.

[Tony]

Well, as you bring up the T Wolves and get into the conference finals, it brings up a very important time in my life every year, which is right. Like shortly after the All Star break, but before the playoffs, I've got to start booking hotels for the finals because if you wait until we figure out what the finals matchup is going to be, they're either all sold out and you got to stay 20 minutes out of town, like me and Tony at Cleveland All Star or the hotels are like 900 bucks a night. And so I've got a list here, guys, of cities that I deem to be finals worthy is the top five. This is not a top five because I get way more than five and I don't know.

[Amin]

Way more than five.

[Tony]

Way more than five cities.

[Mike]

Wow.

[Tony]

Way more than five cities.

[Stugotz]

Does that mean I'm gonna have to crash with you because I haven't booked anything.

[Tony]

See, there you go. You better start now. You still got time. You still got time. I'm gonna run through these, but I'm gonna start from most obvious to least obvious. Number one, Cleveland. Wow, look, it's the Eastern Conference. And also Cleveland's a smaller town. There's a handful of hotels, as we know.

[Amin]

Tony, you don't want to stay in Independence.

[Tony]

We don't want to stay in Independence again. So went in there, got my Cleveland hotels all booked up. Great rates. Number two, Oklahoma City. Another small town, perhaps the smallest town on this list. Or maybe not. Stay tuned. Number three. And this one always has expensive prices, no matter what. Boston. People like going Boston that time of year. Very popular. Very popular. During the 2022 finals, I actually did not book a game six because I thought it would be over in five. And so when game six happened, every hotel was either sold out or legit. Eighteen hundred dollars a night. And I'm talking about, like, for the courtyard downtown, not for, like, the Ritz or anything like that. I ended up staying at a courtyard that wasn't far. I was like, great. And it was like, south end. And I was like, but it's gentrified. It'll be fine. And guess what I found out on that day, guys? Southeast still hasn't been gentrified in some places.

[Jeremy]

No kidding.

[Tony]

Oh. They were like. And it was. And let you know, I walked into Dunkin Donuts and it was like, record scratching. Everyone turned around and looked at me. I'm like, it's okay. Just picking up a mobile order and then kept it moving. Number four. As much as it kills me to say this, Los Angeles, really? No, I don't think they're gonna make the finals. But if they do make the finals and I wait to book my hotel, I'm gonna be staying, like, by the airport.

[Jeremy]

Don't know what to make of them yet.

[Tony]

I know it.

[Stugotz]

You're going from most obvious to least obvious. And you've got the Lakers at number four right behind Boston.

[Tony]

Yeah.

[Stugotz]

That means you think they are the top four potential team, you know what make the final.

[Tony]

That's a good point. Number four is not Lakers.

[Amin]

You were thinking of just geographically, what would be hardest to get hotel rooms. But if you need.

[Jeremy]

You could have been bullish on the Clippers.

[Tony]

But also. But also the. That the chance of happening. Right. I'll give you an example of someone who's not on the list. Houston's not on the list. Houston's not on the list. Houston, Big sprawling city geographically. If I don't get one of those hotels downtown, I'm screwed. But I'm saying, guess what? Not gonna happen.

[Stugotz]

Tony, is this the hoops talk you were hoping for?

[Amin]

Yeah, slightly.

[Stugotz]

It's an insight.

[Jeremy]

We're doing something inside here, doing some sort of hoops.

[Tony]

Okay, so number four, actually should have been Denver. I don't give a shit who they lost to. I don't give a shit how many people left. As long as that big Serbian some somebody is out there, they got a good chance.

[Jeremy]

Unless they run into Rudy Gobert.

[Stugotz]

Yeah, the good one. The situational one.

[Tony]

The situational one. Over seven games, number five. Now I'm getting to Lakers, number six.

[Jeremy]

It's a two for one, though. Clippers can get hot.

[Tony]

Exactly. They were hot the other night. Zubot. The next coming a Shaq, number six. And this one, pretty controversial. Memphis.

[Amin]

Whoa.

[Jeremy]

Over a lot of other teams.

[Tony]

Over a lot of other teams.

[Dan Le Batard]

With a bae.

[Tony]

Well, hold on.

[Jeremy]

No, but it's just like he's doing a thing. I know he's doing this. I know he's doing a thing, but Grind city. God chose Memphis.

[Tony]

Memphis, Memphis, Memphis. Because A, they're really good, but B, there's like two hotels. There are two hotels in Memphis. Yeah, there are two of them.

[Jeremy]

Do you also say at the Bass Pro Shop Pyramid? I think they might have some rooms.

[Tony]

I'm not staying at Bass Prospect.

[Stugotz]

Is that one of the world's largest pyramids? Yes, I think it is.

[Tony]

It is. It is. Number seven. Now I'm getting to the Bay because they have hotel options.

[Amin]

You can stay in Sausalito, too.

[Tony]

They've got a lot of hotel options.

[Amin]

Sausalito is beautiful this time of year.

[Tony]

Number eight, Milwaukee.

[Amin]

The AC downtown.

[Tony]

Yep. Me and Tony. Me and Tony's have adventures. And number nine. And I put him at number nine just to piss people off. The Knicks.

[Stugotz]

You really have the Lakers ahead of Memphis, Golden State and even the. Well, I guess the Knicks probably on the same level.

[Tony]

I don't. If you ask me who's going to win the championship, I'm gonna say Golden State over the Lakers.

[Stugotz]

That would be an amazing finals. It's probably gonna be a first round matchup.

[Tony]

I'm saying if I had to pick. And also I've been looking for the out. Well, no, I just wanted the out. I wanted a declarative statement.

[Stugotz]

Jeremy, tell us the top five that you've got coming up.

[Dan Le Batard]

Top five situational guys coming at you in the big suey.

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