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Jon Zaslow
Pablo.
Dan Le Batard
Again with this guy making this 5am Pablo drop. I feel so bad for Clippers public relations. Like they have to get up at 2 o' clock in the morning and and see what he's doing and sit through an hour long episode because he doesn't get to the point right away. Like you have to Fast forward to 30 minutes in before you get to the actual story. But now he's got yet more paperwork and I don't know how it is that Zaslo and Billy are saying, yeah, Silver's not going to do anything. I don't believe that there's a way given that we have so much documentation. Usually these investigations are private and the leagues are doing it. We don't find out much of anything unless Ted Wells is doing a $5 million report. But the Clippers are in big trouble.
Billy Gill
I would think so. But Adam Silver got up in front of people the other day and said he's never heard of aspirations.
Dan Le Batard
He walked that back. He did walk it back and you called him full of crap yesterday. But Pablo's got more this morning. He's slow playing this, he's slow playing. This, he puts. He puts chum in the water. And then people come out and talk about it who don't know what they're talking about it. And then he makes them look dumb.
Billy Gill
Why? So why do they. Okay, at this point, shouldn't those people, shouldn't they have realized maybe I shouldn't say anything because Pablo's got more stuff that's going to come out?
Dan Le Batard
Well, I think they've learned that since.
Billy Gill
No one's talking anymore.
Dan Le Batard
I think. Well, I think now they've learned it. I think now everyone is being a lot more careful. I mean, the initial statement from the Clippers was this was provably false. And they've been, they've been backpedaling like Deion Sanders since then.
Jeremy
It does feel a little bit like how you describe boxing. Not that I've ever watched or will ever watch, but the way you describe it is like you're luring your opponent into getting hit. So you just kind of slow play it. And that's how Pablo feels.
Dan Le Batard
It's here, I'll give you a little.
Jeremy
Bit of this and get you to make a statement. Oh, actually, I have this. Get you to make another statement. Actually, I have that. It's insane.
Mike Ryan
Jeremy. It's called the rope. A dope watch. When We Were Kings, that's when boxing was boxing.
Dan Le Batard
I disagree.
Mike Ryan
I think When We Were Kings was certainly when boxing was boxing.
Jeremy
And when was that?
Dan Le Batard
I don't think you have to go back to 1968. I think Crawford just did that to Canelo, lured him in a couple of times. And then Canelo looked when he got hit. When Canelo got hit, after he saw his opening, he looked around as if he didn't understand what had just happened to him because of how Crawford lured him in.
Mike Ryan
Just to be clear, I said boxing was boxing during the thrill in Manila, and you countered with no. Canelo vs. Bud Crawford on Netflix. Aaron Crawford, you said isn't it isn't his nickname Bud?
Dan Le Batard
You said. You said.
Mike Ryan
Thank you. Wow.
Jeremy
Sorry.
Mike Ryan
Look at me. Pugilist specialist.
Jeremy
You don't know who he is either.
Dan Le Batard
Dan, you said that boxing wasn't something that had feints and rope a dopes since the 60s. And I was saying no, we just saw it last week.
Mike Ryan
No, I said boxing was boxing during When We Were Kings, which is a great documentary, one of the greatest ever. You should watch that, Jeremy.
Dan Le Batard
Agreed. It is great.
Mike Ryan
That's when boxing was boxing. Not on a Netflix card that nobody I know outside of you and Juju is talking about now.
Jeremy
Does he have any relation to Carl Crawford?
Dan Le Batard
Boxing.
Mike Ryan
That's when baseball was baseball.
Dan Le Batard
Boxing is still boxing. I don't think you could say boxing.
Jon Zaslow
I'm not sure it is.
Dan Le Batard
Boxing is not boxing.
Billy Gill
Did Jeremy say he's never seen boxing?
Dan Le Batard
He doesn't care about the competition.
Mike Ryan
I have to walk something back as the resident pugilist specialist. It was the Rumble in the Jungle, not the Thrill in Manila.
Dan Le Batard
Where's Billy?
Jon Zaslow
My socks are wet.
Mike Ryan
Am I making you miss Billy?
Dan Le Batard
Where is he? Why is he not here?
Mike Ryan
I felt like I filled the role adequately in this segment by just bothering me. This is the Dan Levatar show with the Stugats podcast.
Dan Le Batard
We obviously we have Jimmy Kimmel stuff to talk about, and obviously we have dolphin stuff to talk about, but I have Billy Gill paying a punishment. I believe it's the first time that Billy Gill is paying a punishment since he was an old timey baseball player. And so we go out immediately to Billy Gill. Billy Gill live.
Billy Gill
He looks like an idiot.
Dan Le Batard
Billy, can you hear me? What are you doing? What is the punishment you're serving today? Finally, we're getting a punishment served. You named yourself commissioner. You didn't serve any punishments the year that you were the commissioner, but you're finally paying a punishment. What is the punishment you're paying today? In the rain? Is that your home?
Billy Gill (live from undisclosed location)
This is an undisclosed location where I am planting my third tree. I was supposed to plant one tree as the Kauai punishment, which really was planting no trees because that's what Kauai did. But I'm now planting my third tree to satisfy you guys.
Mike Ryan
The first two trees were artificial intelligence. We saw the images. Falsehoods. It's not falsehoods and fallacies, Billy. They very clearly.
Billy Gill (live from undisclosed location)
Bring up one. Bring up one of the images so you can see it.
Dan Le Batard
Billy, don't make the video team try to do stuff you haven't prepared while you're at an undisclosed location trying to be foul our show. Are you going to start? Do you have the materials you need to plant the tree from an undisclosed location?
Billy Gill (live from undisclosed location)
Well, I was told those would be provided for me, but Told by whom?
Jon Zaslow
You're. You're.
Dan Le Batard
It's your punishment. You got to serve the punishment. What do you mean? It was provide. You don't have a tree.
Billy Gill (live from undisclosed location)
You think Hawaii was showing up with trees to plant himself? No. He shows up and dig a hole, plant a tree, whatever, you know.
Mike Ryan
Did you just push? There we go.
Billy Gill (live from undisclosed location)
I forgot my shovel is not gonna work later.
Dan Le Batard
So what kind of Tree do you have? What kind of tree do you have that you're planning?
Billy Gill (live from undisclosed location)
Thank you, Danny.
Dan Le Batard
Thank you, Danny. Yes. Do you know anything about it?
Billy Gill (live from undisclosed location)
It'd be hard to explain why I don't have a shovel later. And he just handed it to me three seconds in, but that's okay. Oh, God. Now it's stuck in the tree.
Mike Ryan
It is hard to do this with a mic.
Billy Gill (live from undisclosed location)
What was the question?
Dan Le Batard
The question was what kind of tree is now laying flat on its side, which is not how you want a tree. What kind of tree is that? Do you know anything about what you're doing today?
Billy Gill (live from undisclosed location)
Yeah, this is a Barbie pink guava tree that I will be planting today.
Dan Le Batard
Nice. At an undisclosed location. Okay, we will check in with you. When Pablo Torre shows up, you will befoul his segment. We'll check in with you. When Chris Whittingham shows up, we will be foul his segment. Anything else that you have. You don't think Adam Silver is going to punish anybody for what Pablo is reporting, correct?
Billy Gill (live from undisclosed location)
Well, I mean, if the guy won't stop snitching, like, he. Every week he's like, oh, guess what else I know. Guess what else I know. And he's kind of forcing the commission's.
Billy Gill
Hand here, you know, why is it snitching? He's being a journalist. He's being. That's not snitching.
Dan Le Batard
Please.
Billy Gill (live from undisclosed location)
Not my.
Billy Gill
Please.
Billy Gill (live from undisclosed location)
You know what would happen? Stitches. There's a fine line between snitch and journalist. I will just say, let's hear this.
Dan Le Batard
Put it on the poll at Lebatard show. Is there a fine line between snitch and journalist? Because, Billy, you're one of the loudest national critics of Pablo Torre's reporting, which has been pretty impeccable.
Billy Gill (live from undisclosed location)
I had falsehoods on that as well. I'm just trying to bring perspective to this distorted reality. What is this? I'm just trying to bring perspective to this distorted view of this story, you know, oh, this is the biggest story in the history of man. This is the greatest invention ever. Whatever, blah, blah, blah. Meadowlark, we did it. We almost had Charlie Sheen's documentary. You know, I'm just here to say, hey, you know, most people don't care. Football started. Dolphins, Bills, Thursday night football. Buffalo Tua went dressed like he was going to a blizzard when it's supposed to be in the high 60s. Tonight, we'll see what happens.
Mike Ryan
What are you wearing?
Dan Le Batard
Are those over? Are those overalls? What is on your chest? I can't see. Like, what are you wearing.
Billy Gill
I think those are gloves on his chest.
Billy Gill (live from undisclosed location)
As you can for, for, for frame of reference, you can see that when I planted the last two trees, this is my planting raincoat that I wear. And it's apropos because it's raining today. And then I have my, my gardener overalls on as I do when I plant things. And then these, these are my, these are my gardening gloves. And you can see there's still dirt on them from the last time.
Dan Le Batard
All right, we will check in with you later. There's not dirt on them from the last time you tried to trick us with AI. You have.
Billy Gill (live from undisclosed location)
What's this dirt from then?
Dan Le Batard
Not planted any trees. That is not.
Billy Gill (live from undisclosed location)
Wasn't out with any waiters or waitresses. You know what I mean? That's an OJ Reference.
Dan Le Batard
We'll see you later. Thank you. We'll end on that note. We'll check in with you a little. A little bit later on. We really didn't need an OJ Reference there.
Billy Gill
Who would have gotten that reference?
Dan Le Batard
That's why he explained it. Generally, jokes don't work when you have to explain them afterward. The Dolphins play tonight, a game that Zaslo is saying is something that is going to shift the franchise permanently. I would ask the question of the group here. This is the biggest point spread we've had this season, correct? 12 points. There's been no bigger point spread this. Earlier this early in the season. And I think I can say this. If the Dolphins were to win tonight, it would be the biggest surprise we've had this season as well. Correct? No one's expecting the Dolphins to do anything because if you haven't seen what it is that the Bills have done. The Bills, they haven't had an offensive Turner turnover. They're scoring on 64% of their drives. They're averaging 502 yards per game. That's the highest in the NFL. And this is the biggest spread that the Bills and Dolphins have had since 2023. Zasla, why do you believe that this is a game, a season changing, franchise changing Thursday night?
Billy Gill
Yeah, I, I think it's a. I think it's going to be a seminal in. In Dolphins franchise history. Now, when I say that, I don't think it's hyperbolic because what I mean by that is I think tonight is going to be so ugly that it is going to force major changes on the franchise. It doesn't mean that those major changes are going to wind up being good things. We've had major changes in the franchise before. And look at you now. Like we're still where we are. So I, I, I, I don't believe it's going to necessarily result in anything good, but I think we're going to be able to look back at. Wow, Remember that Thursday night game against Buffalo? That's when this guy got fired and this guy got traded and this guy got benched and this happened. I think what, what goes down tonight, we are going to remember this.
Mike Ryan
Was that your Pacino again?
Billy Gill
Look at you now.
Jon Zaslow
Not as good as your other one.
Mike Ryan
Big time.
Billy Gill
You know when he says that look at you now. That's when the, the hitman in Scarface, when the hitman wants to kill. You think, you think I kill women and children? You think that's what I do? And then he shoots me there.
Dan Le Batard
Look at you now. Now I'm glad that you're doing impersonations because I've told the people listening to this that ZSAS is making a giant impact at espn. Everyone's noticing now. He's getting the flattery that people get when you mimic them, when you impersonate them. Evan Cohen, part of the unsportsmanlike crew on morning radio on espn. Evan Cohen, who came up through South Florida clearly jealous of Zaslow, clearly infuriated that Zaslow is getting sweets on the road and flying first class.
Billy Gill
Obvious jealousy.
Dan Le Batard
And not getting up at 4 o' clock in the morning to prepare a show because he's, you know, because that's insanity. Because he's got the star power that comes with being a rising personality at espn. Now, Evan Cohen on their very popular morning show is impersonating Zaslow. Can we play that sound, please?
Mike Ryan
I know Zaz is listening, so let me know.
Billy Gill
Just make it.
Dan Le Batard
I'm supposed to talk to Zaz later on today. Oh, going on his podcast.
Mike Ryan
That's not gonna go well for him. I'll tell you.
Billy Gill
Miami sports expert.
Mike Ryan
I'm a Miami sports expert.
Billy Gill
You're a big guy. I'm a small guy. I'm Jonathan Zazzle on ESPN Radio. Let me tell you something, that is a truly horrific impression. I'm a small guy. I mean, Evan, you need to work on that. I'm Jonathan Zazzo. I don't know who that person is that he thinks that he's impersonating. I never heard that person. Jonathan Zazzle. That's a made up person on ESPN Radio.
Mike Ryan
What a stinky impression that is.
Billy Gill
You're a big guy.
Mike Ryan
A bad impression.
Billy Gill
Who are you doing?
Mike Ryan
I'm a small guy. Not awesome.
Billy Gill
That is. That is not an awesome Jonathan Zazzle.
Mike Ryan
Good impression or bad impression?
Billy Gill
That's bad impression.
Mike Ryan
Bad impression.
Billy Gill
I'm Jonathan Zazzle on ESPN Radio.
Dan Le Batard
Who does. Who does a good job? Who does a good Zazlow impersonation?
Mike Ryan
Mike Ryan.
Billy Gill
Jonathan. I haven't heard a good Zazzlo impersonation. I'll be honest. Anyone that I've heard, try and give a Zazzlo impersonation. You're not the real thing on ESPN Radio.
Mike Ryan
I second that.
Billy Gill
Knowing. I know, right?
Mike Ryan
Yeah. Whoa. Who's talking?
Billy Gill
I third that.
Mike Ryan
Is it me or me?
Billy Gill
I'm a small guy. It's me.
Mike Ryan
It's me.
Billy Gill
And me.
Mike Ryan
And me. I'm Jonathan Zazzo, ESPN Radio.
Billy Gill
On ESPN Radio. I'm yet to hear a good impression on ESPN Radio. You're a big guy. Yeah, big guy. I'm a small guy. A little too big. Like Chris Canty. I'll be honest. I'm Jonathan Zazzo.
Mike Ryan
So on ESPN Radio.
Billy Gill
Howdy.
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Dan Le Batard
Don LeBatard, you were that kind of sad this morning, taking the barrage of anger from Stugots because you hadn't booked him enough interviews. I the only reason I keep bringing this up is because you not are throwing a big party on Thursday. You're doing it and I want people to support what you're doing because stug has not made this easy.
Mike Ryan
Stu guts.
Billy Gill (live from undisclosed location)
Well you know, well, yeah, you know.
Mike Ryan
This is the Dan lebatar show with the Stugach.
Dan Le Batard
A few years ago. To get serious here for a moment.
Mike Ryan
Are you going to do the Brian Gumbel? Take off your glasses. We turn our attention to the fall of America.
Dan Le Batard
A few years ago, Jon Stewart said, comedy doesn't change the world, but it's a bellwether when a society feels under threat. Comedians are who get sent away first. And we are watching, with the weaponizing of the FCC and the government, we're watching something that feels like it doesn't have a whole lot of precedent. Because what Jimmy Kimmel said to get suspended indefinitely. And the people reporting around this don't know if he'll come back, aren't sure he'll come back. And what you're seeing is a reaction to something that is not in the top 100 of things Jimmy Kimmel has said on his program to antagonize Trump and the government. But hours after the head of the FCC said, we can do this the easy way or the hard way, you saw something that stunned me. Even as I see that we live in complicated, turbulent times, even as I get scared and sad because people are being assassinated for their opinions. And the people who were loudest complaining about cancel culture, that created the movement that we have today, that results in something that feels like cancel culture, I'm watching something that, for me, doesn't have precedent. I know Lenny Bruce was arrested once upon a time for making ch. But seeing Jimmy Kimmel not have the protection of something as powerful as Disney because corporate interests in media are filled with such cowardice that you have a situation where not even Bob Iger has the money or the power to stand up to the threat that is presently upon the shores of everyone in media because of how compromised they are by a series of mergers and money interests. And to see Bob Iger show this kind of cowardice and bend a knee again, again with Trump, not. Not the first time. Because what happens here is once you're a coward who's extorted, the bully's gonna keep extorting the coward. And when they gave Trump $16 million on something that Stephanopoulos said, they opened the doors now to all of media feeling like it needs to capitulate to a threat. And now you get dangerously close to state run media. And I will tell you, as someone who descends grandparents and parents from a childhood filled with, you can't trust the media. It's all propaganda. I've never seen in my lifetime America in the position it's presently in where the media is running this kind of scared from power, as if we're not a place that one of the chief principles is free speech. And I understand that private businesses don't have to adhere to free speech stuff. But there's no one who can look at what's happening here. You can't look at what's happening here and not say that this is a kind of threat that you have not seen before in the United States, where a comedian gets gone from a late night television show for commentary that I'm telling you, doesn't pass for the top 100 of the things that he has said on his broadcast that would be offensive to a different political affiliation.
Mike Ryan
And it cashes in on a threat that was made by the President several months ago after Colbert, it was announced that Colbert would be leaving. By the way, Colbert still has the platform. They made the decision on the show. And some people online are saying he should have Jimmy Kimmel on as a guest because that would be a wonderful way as a lame duck host to use the platform. But after the Colbert thing happened, the President went to his social media platform and said Jimmy is next. And now he's kind of reveling in what happened, says Seth and the other Jimmy are next. This cashes in on what was on Project 25, something that during the campaign the President distanced himself from. And now very clearly the FCC is leveraging all these mergers because the FCC only really controls the networks. But media, the state of media is such that these big networks are either merging with other companies that own these cable conglomerates. So you're not just leveraging the network television, the channels that you can get with your antenna, but also cable, cable news. If you see what's happening with CNN and whose potential interests are at play there when it comes to mergers and acquisitions, it's very clear what is happening here. And I think I'm going to like Karen for the first time in my life because they seem to be really responding to feedback from people that are offended. I'll put in a call, see if it helps, because this is, this is absolutely wrong. This goes against our First Amendment rights. Even conservative talk talk show hosts such as Tucker Carlson are ringing the alarm bells right now.
Dan Le Batard
Oh, but you can't have. You simply can't have. If you're putting things next to each other. Someone on Fox last week saying that you should just kill the homeless, which is disproportionately filled with combat veterans, by the way.
Mike Ryan
There was a shooting at a Homeless encampment. And shortly after those comments, something that the media has not really covered all.
Dan Le Batard
That much, but that didn't have a penalty that was substantive.
Mike Ryan
Not network tv, but owned by Rupert Murdoch, which owns a network channel in Fox. No, there was an apology there. And then that cable news channel in particular is part of the cable news outlet set. Seem to not really run with the story of what happened in Minnesota either.
Dan Le Batard
Government entities are being weaponized to pull, put pressure in places that threaten principles that I care about deeply, and I was pretty sure that most Americans cared about deeply. I believe that when we talk about the freedom to speak freely to power, that is a core principle in America. And this one seems to have reached people in a way that I'm finding interesting because now, no, it's not cancel culture you're messing with, it's pop culture you're messing with. Right. A lot of people are looking at this and being like, wait a minute, where in that joke, that mag that the head of the FCC is describing as one of the sickest things possible.
Mike Ryan
And admitting that it's an unprecedented step in doing so.
Dan Le Batard
We're watching stuff that we have not seen before. But the reaction has been very strong. I've been encouraged by a reaction where no matter what your political affiliations, most, most Americans are looking at stuff. And even if they're gleeful, even if they're gleeful about this, most Americans are looking at this and being like, yeah, this is not the country that the flag that waves in this country is supposed to represent something different than this.
Mike Ryan
Most. I don't know what's real. I have election results that would probably thumb their nose at that. But I wanna also be very clear, like, this is not a hypocrisy of mine. I've always maintained, yeah, the First Amendment rights protect you from prosecution and jailing. But if you work for the private sector and you say something offensive, that your employer has a right to do what it wishes. Now, this certainly seems subjective. This seems relatively benign. I'm applying my own feelings to this. But this comes as a part of an agenda and as a part of a threat from the President himself. And they're following through. And there's even the promise of more hosts being taken off of network television that have historically had a go at this administration. And it's a scary time, especially when it appears to be something so benign.
Billy Gill
Did the other late night hosts do or say anything last night after this news came out?
Dan Le Batard
I didn't see late night television last night, which is part of the issue here. Right. Some of these people have really been weakened. Maybe another time Disney could have been stronger. Under these circumstances, I understand how you arrive at the common sense logic of you have all the money in the world and all you're doing with that money is making more money and protecting more money. So these mergers are important. And Iger and Disney have a huge issue in the modern age beyond the merger. They're just not what they were because everything is so fractured. So they're not as strong as they were. But if people like Iger and Bezos and Zuckerberg can't stand up to this, what's the point of having money and power if all you're going to do with it is make more money and bow to power?
Billy Gill
Like what?
Dan Le Batard
What is the point?
Mike Ryan
Making more money is important to them.
Dan Le Batard
Well, it's the most important thing, obviously.
Mike Ryan
And you're also saying that these are private companies, but they're also, in many instances, publicly traded companies that have. Have so much riding on these mergers. I think that's what happened with Paramount. If we see.
Dan Le Batard
No, that's what's happening everywhere. He's got everyone leveraged on this one because that is exactly what happened. This isn't about free speech. It's just about accruing more power. That's all it is. And how do you accrue more power? The powerful bow before you. Nobody in power wants to fight because there's so much corporate cowardice here on fractured media and media that is now consolidating and needs to consolidate in reaction to got left behind by modern times. Got left left behind by all sorts of people going independent and having trouble keeping up because they're run by a bunch of old people who do not know how to attract young people the way Mr. Beast does.
Mike Ryan
I do hope that this is an opportunity to unite a lot of people that over the last decade took offense to air quotes, cancel culture and what I would say consequences for things that certain people say, this affects them too. Because if you want this to establish a template, historically in this country, especially in my lifetime, the power is like on a pendulum and it shifts from side to side and you don't want these rules applied to you. And I find it very curious to use the martyrdom of a free speech advocate to be doing these things.
Dan Le Batard
This is extortion. And I don't know very much about extortion, but I do know that once you've allowed yourself to be extorted, you're going to keep being extorted like Once you've shown that you're not going to fight this stuff, that you're just going to give millions and dollars, millions of dollars away in order to protect your future investment, then you're just going to be someone who keeps doing that. This has consumed a lot of people. Last night were we're covering this because I do believe this one has reached a lot of people. I also see the self interest in media types talking about this because we're scared. There's just simply fear because of what it is that you see happening. And as I see it happening, I am very grateful that we remain independent. We remain, but it still makes me scared, by the way, to see everything that I see happening. But I'm wildly grateful that we can remain independent because this is a time where this country feels less free than it used to.
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Billy Gill (live from undisclosed location)
To your guys's against this.
Mike Ryan
You're right, you're right, you're right.
Dan Le Batard
I don't have it against the spread because I wasn't prepared for this segment.
Billy Gill (live from undisclosed location)
You need an Ian in your life.
Dan Le Batard
You have actively played defense against me today in a way that has rarely been this undercutting.
Mike Ryan
Stugats.
Billy Gill (live from undisclosed location)
Defense wins championships, baby. That's show business.
Mike Ryan
This is the Dan Levatar show with.
Billy Gill
The St.
Dan Le Batard
Chris Cody. Get me some sound here, if you would, of both Josh Allen and Tua as we talk about this game and segue into I usually don't like to preview games. You know, I like to review games more than preview them. But I do believe that I'm having trouble finding, finding a time where this Dolphin franchise felt like this and we all lived through that one in 15 season.
Billy Gill
Like, do you not agree with me thinking that this is a huge moment for this franchise tonight?
Mike Ryan
I thought Sunday was a huge moment for the franchise and I think you can maybe thank the short week for the lack of change. And now this has to be Waterloo, right? This. This has to be.
Billy Gill
Yeah, I, I mean, I, I think the coverage all day tomorrow is going to be about what? About what do the Dolphins do now? I think that's the major NFL story all day tomorrow.
Dan Le Batard
I was asking before about point spreads. What was the spread in that Browns Ravens game?
Mike Ryan
Same spread that it is presently, according to DraftKings 12 and a half. So this ties the largest spread. And I'm with Zaz. We all expect the Miami Dolphins to lose tonight against a really good Bills.
Billy Gill
Team, a team that has owned them for about the past nine years.
Mike Ryan
That means the entire sports media will descend upon last night's result and only amplify what's going on here. It's unfortunate because they'll essentially have the sports news cycle to themselves.
Billy Gill
Like this would be different if this game was being played Sunday afternoon. Not the same. But the fact that it's a standalone game tonight and we're gonna have all day tomorrow to react to it, I think it's a major moment for the franchise this evening and tonight and then all day tomorrow is gonna be very embarrassing.
Jon Zaslow
We gotta figure out what we can make happen in sports tonight that can steal some of the headlines tomorrow.
Mike Ryan
Because you want to protect the franchise.
Jon Zaslow
I just, I just, I don't want.
Mike Ryan
You. You don't want the change.
Jon Zaslow
It's what you said like the Friday after the game. It's just the whole space is here. We're gonna overanalyze. It's just I don't need.
Billy Gill
Oh, I don't think it's overanalyze.
Jon Zaslow
I don't need every national show doing the fire McDaniel tomorrow. We got that covered.
Mike Ryan
All right.
Jon Zaslow
Just give me something else in sports tonight so that other shows can lead with something.
Mike Ryan
You don't want every sports show saying how bad you are.
Dan Le Batard
We got that.
Mike Ryan
If you're an agent of change, you do. It's like dates back to when USF beat Randy Shannon's Miami Hurricanes. And by the fourth quarter I'm kind of rooting for USF because I want to see change.
Jon Zaslow
I'm going to keep making the argument for if they're going to be this bad, why not just keep them through the year? Let's be bad. Let's be a two win team. Like I don't want to bring in a coach that's going to fire the boys up and now we're going to be 8, 9 again. The classic Dolphins middle of the draft.
Billy Gill
I'm sure there's no chance there's some kind of camera catching Tyreek Hill blowing up on the bench tonight, right? That's not going to happen.
Dan Le Batard
Well, you guys say be bad. The thing that I'm concerned about and this doesn't happen that often in that league. Right. The games are very often close. The thing that I'm concerned about is that they played the Patriots and Colts and those aren't reputed, not preseason reputed to be great offense. Now maybe Daniel Jones ends up surprising us all season, but the Dolphins are dead last in the NFL in EPA allowed per drive by a wide margin and they've only played the Colts and Patriots. This is an offense that's coming in that averages 500 yards a game. So we run the risk. You remember when Dominique Foxworth was out here saying it was unethical for Brian Flores to have to coach that team.
Jon Zaslow
That was funny.
Mike Ryan
That's what happens when you have the news cycle that's going to be tomorrow.
Jon Zaslow
This is not safe with the Dolphins.
Dan Le Batard
I'm worried that what's going to happen because for two games now what's happened is the worst case scenario Worst fear of Dolphin fans, which is not just that they're going to be bad. No. They're going to be coast to coast, sea to shining sea, embarrassing. Like a laughingstock. Because they can't play football at all. They've. They've. They've caused two punts this year here. Buffalo doesn't punt. Buffalo has no interest in punting. Like, I. I'm hoping that the NFL is just NFL ing tonight, but if you had to bet on it, I'm guessing the money's going on the Bills tonight.
Jon Zaslow
Bills are my survivor pick for the week.
Billy Gill
Over under half a punt tonight for the Bills.
Jon Zaslow
I'll take the over half. Just a half.
Mike Ryan
I'll go over.
Jon Zaslow
I'll crush that over.
Jeremy
Punt one punt.
Jon Zaslow
Can I play a sound of Josh Allen that just shows how not worried he is about the Dolphins coffins. If you use the phrase that you're about to hear from Josh Allen, you never use this if you're worried about somebody. It's just when you're like, couldn't care less.
Mike Ryan
Their front over there is filled with a lot of guys that can get after the quarterback.
Dan Le Batard
So we got to be on our P's and Q's.
Jon Zaslow
See, he doesn't give a. You don't say P's like, exactly. It's just like, he is so not worried. He's just like, yeah, they got good guys. We got to be on our P's and Q's, toss cross our T's, dot our I's.
Mike Ryan
Yeah, there's two of those cliches. I gotta.
Jon Zaslow
Why are we.
Dan Le Batard
What do.
Mike Ryan
We don't know what P's and Q's are? I've always. I've said, what are P's and Q's?
Billy Gill
Hold on.
Dan Le Batard
Put it on. On. Put it on. The poll at Lebatar show. Do you know what P's and Q's are?
Mike Ryan
I know what it means to dot an I and cross a T. That's very thorough.
Billy Gill
I know that too.
Mike Ryan
I don't know what it means to be on a P and on a queue.
Dan Le Batard
Anyone. Does anyone here know what it is to be on a P and on a queue? Because yes, dotting an I in crossing a T is making sure to handle all the details. You don't want to leave any T's uncrossed because then it's just an L.
Jon Zaslow
But you're indifferent about it, though.
Mike Ryan
Like a second.
Jon Zaslow
You're not that worried about it though. You're like, yeah, we got to be on our P's and Q'S.
Mike Ryan
I don't think the Dolphins are going to cross their T and night if.
Dan Le Batard
If you don't cross your T's and dot your I's, you just have two L's, which. It's going to feel like the Dolphins have two of those tonight if they get beat by 30 points.
Mike Ryan
And that would hit so hard. If I were on a gummy.
Billy Gill
Has a team ever just dotted the eyes but they forgot to cross the T's and so they were screwed. Like, they lost because we only dotted.
Mike Ryan
The eyes, I'd still be shell shocked.
Jon Zaslow
Jeremy, you got P's and Q's.
Jeremy
So there's no technical origin, but when they've tried to figure it out, they think it is short for pleases and thank yous. Ps and q's.
Jon Zaslow
He doesn't respect.
Mike Ryan
Thank you.
Jon Zaslow
Josh Allen does not respect us.
Mike Ryan
Thank you. You do say Q when you're saying thank you.
Dan Le Batard
Q. Wow.
Mike Ryan
That would slap if I were on the really wood. Their front over there is filled with a lot of guys that can get after the quarterback. So we got to be on our P's and Q's.
Billy Gill
Don't even bother learning their names.
Mike Ryan
Just.
Jon Zaslow
He could not be less worried about us. He watched a Netflix movie last night. He wasn't watching film. He's just enjoying his evening.
Billy Gill
Josh Allen wakes up this morning is like, man, tonight's gonna be fun. Right? It's just this. This is a fun outing that they're having tonight, bro.
Mike Ryan
Should I say Q instead of thanks? This is crazy.
Dan Le Batard
What is more important to dot the eyes? I feel like it's more important to dot the eyes than it is to cross the T's.
Mike Ryan
Yeah.
Jeremy
Definitely not. Definitely not. If you do a little I, you can infer that that dot. But if you do a T where that's. That's coming up, it's. You're going to think it's an L, bro. Without the cross, bro.
Mike Ryan
You got to put that little line after the, like, in the queue. Otherwise it's an O. Yeah.
Dan Le Batard
Wow. I don't know what to do with any of this. I can't believe that nobody knows what P's and Q's are.
Mike Ryan
Holy shit. Same with the P. Did you realize.
Jeremy
W is just two U's stacked together?
Mike Ryan
Wow. Q, man.
Dan Le Batard
So wait a minute. You're saying the W is just a double U? You're saying it's two U's?
Billy Gill
That's really a double V. Man, I.
Mike Ryan
Gotta get out of here. This is crazy.
Dan Le Batard
So double. So wait a minute. The W, the word W is just not one U, but two U's. It's a W. Gosh.
Mike Ryan
That letter can't possibly be a word. A is a word and I is a word. But W is not a word.
Dan Le Batard
Roy, I just blew your mind. I blew my own mind with that. I never thought of the W as two U's.
Mike Ryan
I can't take it. There's so much going on. It is too much.
Dan Le Batard
Let's go back out to Billy and Danny trying to plant a tree so that we can find out what we need to find out about the conversation that we're having and the progress that Billy is making. He really did. Do I believe now that that wasn't AI earlier this week? I believe, given how Billy is presently dressed, wearing the same outfit that was in that. What we thought was an artificial intelligence.
Billy Gill
And his gloves had dirt on them.
Dan Le Batard
Yes. And Billy is now. You're wet, too, Billy. Has it stopped raining yet? Is there any danger. Is there any danger in you getting electrocuted with a microphone while it rains?
Billy Gill (live from undisclosed location)
Business has picked up on the rain front. Is there a danger of lightning hitting me? Yes. But is the earth endangered of not having enough trees and oxygen for us to live on forever also? Yes. So I will plant my third tree today and I will risk my own safety for future generations to come.
Dan Le Batard
Thank you, Billy. We appreciate that. Live remarks.
Billy Gill (live from undisclosed location)
Also, Zaslow's right. W's two V's, not two U's. I don't know what the hell you guys are talking about. And W is a letter, not a word word.
Jon Zaslow
Love the sound of rain.
Jeremy
It is spelt.
Billy Gill (live from undisclosed location)
Thank you, Danny.
Dan Le Batard
The word.
Billy Gill (live from undisclosed location)
Danny, be careful. It's monsooning over here.
Dan Le Batard
Say that again, Jeremy, please.
Jeremy
It is spelled double. The word double hyphen U. When you were trying to spell out double U, that's how you would do it, isn't it?
Jon Zaslow
It's spelled.
Mike Ryan
Whoever spelled it, dealt it.
Dan Le Batard
Put it on the poll, please. At Lebatard Show. Do you know how to spell the letter W? Because I've never seen. I've never seen it spelled. This is crazy.
Mike Ryan
Spelling a letter is wild.
Dan Le Batard
Right now we are in unchartered territory doing some serious Alphabet learning together as a show. Do not say that we do not provide a double service.
Billy Gill (live from undisclosed location)
I have a question.
Dan Le Batard
Double service? Yes, Billy.
Billy Gill (live from undisclosed location)
So if you were to. To spell the word W with letters, do you then have to spell all of those letters that are used to spell the word? And it would just be an endless loops of letters spelling other letters.
Mike Ryan
I can't Take this. This is like Inception. It's really hard to follow because, like.
Billy Gill (live from undisclosed location)
W would start with the letter D. But how do you spell the letter D? You spell it D, E, E. Right. But then that D, E, E. You would spell D E, E for that D. And then for E, you would have to spell out those E's, and there's two of those. And then you have to spell those letters as well. Correct.
Mike Ryan
This is not even like Inception. It's like Tenet, which I flatly didn't get.
Billy Gill
That movie sucks.
Mike Ryan
It was terrible.
Billy Gill
Don't. Don't tell me that you like that movie.
Mike Ryan
No, no one likes that.
Billy Gill
Anyone who likes that movie, you just lying in my face.
Mike Ryan
A great take.
Billy Gill
No one understands what I think about. You're not smarter than everybody because, oh, I like Tenet. No one believes that you. I understood it. It doesn't make you smarter. It makes you a dope.
Dan Le Batard
Put it on the poll at lebaton show. Did anyone like the movie Tenet? That was Christopher Nolan, wasn't it? It's a bit of a surprise.
Mike Ryan
He still hasn't apologized for it.
Dan Le Batard
That was a bit of a surprise. Christopher Nolan doesn't make a whole lot of bad movies. And the universal consensus on that was, yeah, I didn't understand it. Don't get it. And. And then other people didn't watch it because none of their friends understood it.
Billy Gill
There's no way Christopher Nolan understands what that movie is.
Mike Ryan
No way.
Billy Gill
No way, no way.
Mike Ryan
And also, stop trying to make John David Washington happen.
Jon Zaslow
He works hard.
Dan Le Batard
Put it on the poll at LeBatard show. Does Christopher Nolan know what Tenet was about? Billy, you don't seem to be doing very much planting. You seem to be standing in the rain just looking around, trying to figure out how it is to spell W using letters. And I think D is spelled D, E, E. I think it's a Scrabble word. I think a lot of. I think a lot of words, a lot of letters. The only place that you would watch them, see them spelled would be in Scrabble.
Jeremy
So D, E, E. I think you.
Billy Gill (live from undisclosed location)
Would lose Scrabble if you were spelling letters.
Jeremy
D, E, E, O W, E, Y, O, U. B, E, E, E. L, E, E, E, Y, O, U. I stopped listening. W. I can't follow.
Mike Ryan
I straight up.
Jeremy
That was a stray.
Dan Le Batard
Are you saying that E is spelled E? E, E. Are you saying E?
Jeremy
How else would you spell E?
Dan Le Batard
E? I'd spell E. E. Ooh.
Jeremy
Or you could spell it Y.
Dan Le Batard
You're saying E. There's A silent H.
Billy Gill (live from undisclosed location)
And E with Billy. H. Silent H. E, E, E. I need some air.
Jon Zaslow
Jeremy. Show title spelling less letters.
Jeremy
That's already on it.
Dan Le Batard
Put it on the poll at Lebitard Show. Do you know how to spell the letter E? And also put on the poll. Would you have imagined that the letter E is spelled E? Because I don't believe that that simply, simply cannot be true. I don't believe that the language is so inefficient that the way that you spell. The way that you spell E is just hitting someone in the head with three E's. Why not four E's? Why not two E's?
Jeremy
The Internet says E. E. It's not true.
Dan Le Batard
Why not three E's? Why not four E's? Why not five E's? That's not what P's and Q's are.
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Episode: Local Hour: Spelling Letters
Date: September 18, 2025
Hosts: Dan Le Batard, Stugotz, Billy Gill, Mike Ryan, Jon Zaslow, Jeremy
Location: Elser Hotel, Downtown Miami
This episode navigates a wild mix of hot sports takes, comedic banter, and a surprisingly deep detour into language and free speech. The crew discusses the developing Clippers scandal, the fate of the Miami Dolphins, Jimmy Kimmel’s controversial network suspension, and—most memorably—a cascade of confusion over spelling letters and alphabet origins, all seasoned with the show’s signature offbeat humor.
The hosts analyze Pablo Torre’s investigative drops about the Clippers, likening his reporting tactic to boxing’s rope-a-dope strategy.
Tightening scrutiny:
Debate over when “boxing was boxing,” referencing iconic fights and the documentary 'When We Were Kings'.
Playful disagreement and confusion over boxing history and fighters’ nicknames.
Billy Gill reports live, allegedly planting a third tree as punishment for previous misadventures (spoofed via AI-generated tree images).
The crew pokes fun at Billy’s lack of preparedness and gardening know-how, and his struggle to explain the gloves, overalls, and actual tree.
Preview of the Miami Dolphins’ Thursday Night Football game vs. the Buffalo Bills.
Discussion includes historical context for large point spreads and possible fallout (firings, trades, benchings).
Dan delivers a serious, emotional monologue on Jimmy Kimmel’s indefinite network suspension and the chilling effect on free speech.
Mike Ryan: Discusses the chain reaction from President Trump’s threats, political leveraging of media mergers, implications for network and cable.
Broad agreement that corporate cowardice and merger mania are compromising fundamental free speech values, endangering American principles.
Dan Le Batard, on Kimmel’s Suspension:
“Not even Bob Iger has the money or the power to stand up to the threat that is presently upon the shores of everyone in media because of how compromised they are by a series of mergers and money interests.” (19:57)
Mike Ryan, on Media Mergers and Free Speech:
“The FCC only really controls the networks. But media, the state of media is such that these big networks are either merging with other companies that own these cable conglomerates...it’s very clear what is happening here.” (22:21)
Billy Gill, on Tree Planting:
“This is a Barbie pink guava tree that I will be planting today.” (07:49)
“Is there a fine line between snitch and journalist?” (08:29)
On Spelling and Language:
On Tenet (Movie):
“That movie sucks. Don’t tell me that you like that movie.” (43:28, Billy)
“No one likes that. Anyone who likes that movie, you just lying in my face.” (43:33, Billy)
The episode typifies the show’s blend of comedic chaos, impromptu tangents, and substantive commentary. Even as the crew veers off into absurd language debates, they ground discussion with real concern about free speech and corporate power, seamlessly pivoting back to sports and parody.
This episode is a kaleidoscope of sports, satire, sincere media critique, and genuine confusion about the English alphabet. Highlights include Dan’s powerful monologue on free speech, the comedic mess of Billy's punishment, and an extended, hilarious breakdown of why spelling the letter “W” will break your brain. Essential listening for fans of sharp humor and thoughtful commentary, with plenty of Miami sports agony (and hope?) thrown in.