Local Hour: That's The Price Of Being An Actor

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz

Episode: Local Hour: That's The Price Of Being An Actor
Release Date: April 9, 2025

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Introduction

In this episode of The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz, hosted from the Elser Hotel in Downtown Miami, Dan Le Batard and Stugotz delve into a mix of sports insights, pop culture discussions, and personal anecdotes. The episode, titled "Local Hour: That's The Price Of Being An Actor," covers topics ranging from method acting experiences to the recent firing of Denver Nuggets' head coach Michael Malone. The conversation is lively, filled with humor, and enriched by guest appearances and caller interactions.

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Method Acting and Personal Growth

Greg Cody's Acting Class Experience (04:32 - 07:56)

Greg Cody shares his recent venture into an acting class, highlighting his commitment to personal growth and immersion in new experiences despite his established career.

• Greg Cody: “I believe in life. You gotta grow you gotta inch forward, you gotta move, you gotta advance.” (04:38)

He reflects on his past role in the early '80s film Absence of Malice and contrasts it with his current learning environment, praising his acting instructor for providing valuable insights.

• Greg Cody: “I find myself last night. Let's start the show among amateur actors.” (05:04)

The conversation touches upon the physical demands of acting, such as vocal strain from method acting exercises.

• Greg Cody: “This is the price of being an actor, right? You know, you gotta immerse and raise your voice.” (07:37)

NBA Coaching Changes and Team Dynamics

Firing of Michael Malone from Denver Nuggets (08:12 - 30:52)

The bulk of the episode revolves around the surprising decision to fire Michael Malone, head coach of the Denver Nuggets, amidst a successful season where the team secured the fifth seed in the Western Conference.

• Chris Cody: “...three of the past five NBA champions have fired their head coach within two seasons of the firing.” (08:05)

Zach Thomas' Insights on the Firing (09:04 - 10:04)

Zach Thomas provides his perspective on the Nuggets' performance and leadership issues, emphasizing the importance of honesty with the team.

• Zach Thomas: “My job is to be honest and sometimes brutally honest.” (09:06)

Discussion on Player Empowerment and Management Decisions (10:04 - 30:52)

The hosts debate the implications of the Nuggets' decision, questioning the timing and rationale behind firing both the head coach and the general manager simultaneously.

• Stugotz: “This is the second top five seed in the Western Conference that has decided to fire its head coach with 10 games remaining.” (10:39)

• Greg Cody: “If you make the power imbalance with the coaches... Russell Westbrook can sabotage you.” (19:46)

Expert Opinion from David Sampson (25:21 - 30:52)

David Sampson shares his experiences with power struggles in sports organizations, comparing them to similar scenarios in other industries. He criticizes the Nuggets' approach, suggesting that firing both the coach and GM disrupts organizational stability.

• David Sampson: “We choose one side or the other... but you choose it at a point that makes sense for the organization.” (28:31)

Pop Culture and Hall of Fame Discussions

Mickey Arison's Hall of Fame Induction (37:15 - 42:19)

The conversation shifts to basketball ownership, specifically discussing Mickey Arison's induction into the Basketball Hall of Fame. The hosts debate his contributions versus the recognition he received, acknowledging his role in building the Miami Heat's successful franchise.

• Greg Cody: “Everything that went right, the owner gets credit for that.” (40:02)

• Dan Le Batard: “Getting Riley away from the Knicks to run your organization in Miami, that's the hall of Fame.” (40:19)

Humorous Interludes and Personal Anecdotes

Throughout the episode, Dan, Stugotz, and the other hosts engage in lighthearted banter, sharing personal stories and humorous observations. Highlights include:

• Greg Cody's Elevator Mishap (44:18 - 45:52): Greg recounts getting lost in the hotel elevator, leading to comedic exchanges about needing a personal staff.

  • Greg Cody: “I need to have a chief of staff.” (45:10)

  • Chris Cody: “Why are you so bad at taking care of yourself?” (43:26)

• Ryan's Cruise Slide Incident (43:51 - 44:08): Mike Ryan shares a funny story about his father sliding on a cruise ship's water slide.

  • Mike Ryan: “My dad went down a slide on the cruise.” (43:51)

Concluding Remarks

The episode wraps up with the hosts reflecting on the discussed topics, reaffirming their camaraderie and teasing upcoming content. They encourage listeners to engage with the show's features and express anticipation for future discussions.

• Chris Cody: “It's a big game, Dan.” (41:32)

• Greg Cody: “Hydration.” (45:23)

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Notable Quotes

• Greg Cody on Personal Growth:

  “I believe in life. You gotta grow you gotta inch forward, you gotta move, you gotta advance.” (04:38)

• Zach Thomas on Team Honesty:

  “My job is to be honest and sometimes brutally honest.” (09:06)

• David Sampson on Organizational Power Struggles:

  “We choose one side or the other... but you choose it at a point that makes sense for the organization.” (28:31)

• Greg Cody on Ownership Credit:

  “Everything that went right, the owner gets credit for that.” (40:02)

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Key Takeaways

1. Leadership Changes in Sports: The unexpected firing of Michael Malone and the Nuggets' GM highlights the volatile nature of sports management, especially under high-stakes conditions.

2. Player Empowerment: The role and influence of players in modern NBA dynamics are growing, affecting decisions previously dominated by coaches and GMs.

3. Personal Development: Greg Cody's venture into acting underscores the importance of continual personal growth, regardless of one's career stage.

4. Organizational Stability: Power struggles within sports organizations can lead to disruptive decisions that may not always align with long-term success.

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Note: This summary excludes advertisement segments and non-content sections to focus on the substantive discussions and insights shared during the episode.

Transcript

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[Stugotz]

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[Chris Cody]

Anytime someone says Cuervo, I show up.

[Stugotz]

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[Chris Cody]

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[Stugotz]

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[Chris Cody]

Cuervo.

[Stugotz]

So enjoy the tequila that started it all. Cuervo. Cuervo, the tequila that invented tequila. Roximo Cuervo.

[Greg Cody]

Com.

[Stugotz]

Please drink responsibly.

[Chris Cody]

Cuervo. Shadow Show.

[Greg Cody]

Shadow Show.

[Chris Cody]

Shadow Show.

[Greg Cody]

Shadow Show.

[Chris Cody]

Shadow Show.

[Dan Le Batard]

Shadow Show.

[Chris Cody]

Shadow Show.

[David Sampson]

Shadow Show.

[Chris Cody]

Shadow Show. This is what I walk into today. Chris. He just announced. Greg Cody, your father just announced. I have no headphones as they're counting in 5, 4, 3, 2. And he. He got lost on his way here into the studio, even though he spent last night in the hotel. So he.

[Mike Ryan]

I got a panicked phone call.

[Greg Cody]

This doesn't fit anywhere.

[Chris Cody]

Okay. All right. It fits.

[Dan Le Batard]

Take that off.

[Mike Ryan]

He can't hear me right now.

[Chris Cody]

Yeah, I can't hear you.

[Dan Le Batard]

This hotel is tricky. By the way, I'm with Greg.

[Billy]

It's to your right, Greg. Like down to your right.

[Chris Cody]

The place that it always is, Greg. The place he can't hear you. That's right.

[Greg Cody]

Doesn't fit anywhere.

[Chris Cody]

Okay. Thank you, Billy. I appreciate it. So why Chris? Why did he get lost? Why did he stay in the hotel? Walked. I walked in on him, just generally discombobulated while Stugats told him that he was somewhere recently with Zach Thomas and that he was more famous than Zach Thomas because people were chanting his name. I don't know the scent, the setting. I don't know what I was walking into.

[Dan Le Batard]

I was telling Greg that recently I was on an airplane sitting across the aisle from Zach Thomas, and I did not recognize Zach Thomas. I didn't know it was him. And the people were coming on the plane, and I got three stews. Zach Thomas got nothing.

[Greg Cody]

That's crazy.

[Dan Le Batard]

Zilch. And I think he enjoys it. I'm serious.

[Mike Ryan]

That's great.

[Chris Cody]

Yeah. Zach would rather be anonymous. He would be.

[Greg Cody]

Yeah. He spent his career like that, playing middle linebacker, not being Brian Urlacher, getting a thousand tackles and taking 10 years to make the hall of Fame.

[Dan Le Batard]

I didn't realize you were going to take out Zach Thomas.

[Jessica]

They're bad blood here.

[Dan]

What's going on?

[Greg Cody]

No, I love Zach Thomas. He's been on the Greg Cody show podcast several times.

[Mike Ryan]

I think you're. You're crushing the voters there because the voters put Brian Urlacher right in.

[Greg Cody]

Thank you.

[Mike Ryan]

Zach Thomas had to, like, wait 10 years. You're making. You're taking a shot. Like, if his name was Brian Erlacher, he would have been in.

[Greg Cody]

No, I. I milked that for, like, three columns because I was pushing in for years. And you do a comparative of his career stats and Brian Erlacher's and. And Zach Thomas has the upper hand. It's ridiculous that. That he isn't seen as. As Brian Erlacher, except his teams, famously, were mediocre. Mediocre.

[Billy]

I agree with the name thing.

[Dan]

Multiple times on your. On your show, Greg. What? Out of a hundred, where did he land on your top guests of all time?

[Greg Cody]

That's a good question, Billy. You know, he was. He was stout. He was in the middle. So somewhere.

[Dan]

Number 54, maybe.

[Greg Cody]

That would have been great. If I thought to do that. That would have been terrific. Yeah. Nice knowing his number, by the way. Most don't, I'm sure. Especially those people on the plane. They have no idea what's wrong with your voice. I know.

[Chris Cody]

Is this still the cruise that's in your voice? It's.

[Greg Cody]

It's after last night's event, you know, we went by an unnamed local bar and.

[Chris Cody]

What event?

[Greg Cody]

I might have hit a pretty high. You know, I went to an acting class, Dan. Did you really? Yeah. You know, I'm not.

[Dan Le Batard]

Wow.

[Greg Cody]

Most people know that I was in a major motion picture in the early 80s. Absence of malice. But I'm not content. You know, I believe in life. You gotta grow you gotta inch forward, you gotta move, you gotta advance.

[Dan]

Gotta want to know. Gotta want to grow.

[Greg Cody]

Yeah, exactly. I want to know, I want to grow. I want to learn, I want to earn. And so I find myself last night. Let's start the show among amateur actors.

[Dan]

This is the Dan Levatar show with the Stugats podcast.

[Chris Cody]

You were saying, Greg Cody.

[Greg Cody]

Oh, I. You know, I hate to talk about myself, but it came up that I was in an acting class last night. Even though I've appeared, you know, in a film, I was among beginning actors, which was refreshing for me.

[Chris Cody]

And you stayed in the hotel in order to have an immersive training in method acting. Like you stayed. I can't believe that it's 70 years old. I don't think a lot of 70 year olds. Olds are staying away from their house in the same city.

[Dan]

Wait, were you teaching the class or were you a student?

[Greg Cody]

I was a student. Oh, but you could teach the class.

[Dan]

He was in a movie.

[Greg Cody]

Yeah, you know, what can I tell you? I mean, you know, like I say, I want to immerse myself in learning. I want to learn, I want to earn. And so I was in a class. It was very enlightening. The instructor, I don't know what you'd call an acting instructor. You nailed it. She was excellent. She opened my eyes to stuff. You know, when I was in absence of malice, Sidney Pollock, the acclaimed, late, great director, didn't have a lot of personal dealing with me. You know, I dealt with sub directors. And so this time I felt like I was with a real acting coach. And she was great.

[Chris Cody]

You have an issue right now that has afflicted me before. As I initially started trying on glasses. It's fogging up on your right eye, as you say, you've had your eyes open because I think your glasses, the glass is a little too close to your face. And there's something about the weather in south Florida that makes glasses that are too close to your face.

[Dan]

It's a coffee. He has the steam going up while he's drinking it.

[Greg Cody]

That's a good point, by the way. You all make a. Make a note, Dan. Meadow, like, needs to spring for coffee sleeves. Because when I first started drinking this coffee, it was almost too hot to pick up, but now it's fine.

[Dan]

That's the slip and fall. Burns your lap all of a sudden, boom.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah.

[Dan]

You know what I mean?

[Greg Cody]

Yeah, I do know what you mean.

[Dan]

Easy street.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah.

[Greg Cody]

Thank you. Very good. Good coffee, though, I got to say it. Christopher was supposed to get me Some brand name coffee outward. And he reneged on his deal. And so I'm left with whatever brand this is.

[Chris Cody]

Your voice sounds like it's been battered by the sea.

[Dan Le Batard]

He had acting class.

[Dan]

Were you yelling in acting class? What did you learn?

[Chris Cody]

He said he drank too much.

[Greg Cody]

Three years after there was some yelling in acting class. You know, I. I was asked to read scripts and do roles that required me to. To raise my voice and character and. And so I'm paying for it today. You know, this is the price of being an actor, right? You know, you gotta immerse and raising your voice.

[Dan Le Batard]

Because I've noticed as I get older, Dan, when I raise my voice and I'm going through it right now as well, when I raise my voice, my voice is shot. I used to yell all the time. Voice was fine the next day. If I yell just a little bit the day before, the next day. Voices wreck.

[Chris Cody]

It was the cigarettes in the garage this morning. Probably David Sampson is lurking around the premises here and he's got some good stuff to talk about. But I wanted to start with the firing of Michael Malone. That seems crazy to me. And the way they have sped up in the NBA that I guess it's. Three of the past five NBA champions have fired their head coach within two seasons of the firing. Makes me wonder in today's day and age. I want to play this sound From Mike Malone6 days ago after they lost to the Trailblazers. And ask you if this was the last drop in the bucket where an NBA champion who has the best player in the league fires its coach because they're tuning stuff like this out and have some pride.

[Zach Thomas]

I didn't think we played with any pride tonight.

[Greg Cody]

I feel like they took that.

[Zach Thomas]

I really care. It's not my job to evaluate how they take things. My job is to be honest and sometimes brutally honest. And tonight it was a brutally honest message. And the guys that are full of won't hear it. You know, they'll say coach is tripping. And the guys that maybe do really care will because they don't want. They're not going to go back and watch their minutes because nobody watches their minutes. Nobody watches film. So we'll have to show them the film. And I said if somebody disagrees with me, please speak up. And nobody said a word. So again, I'm not really concerned with how they took that message. My thing is being honest with how we just played. And the same thing that's been bothering us of late that I talked about pregame, the turnovers the rebounding was even worse tonight, and I didn't think it could get any worse, but it did.

[Chris Cody]

I want to ask you guys about one sentence in there, which he said, it's not my job to evaluate how they take things. I'm not totally sure in today's age, with today's player, that that one flies. And I say that as someone who remembers being impressed by Eric Spoelstra early in his career, when I asked him about players liking him or players coach, and he's like, I am not here for anyone liking me. Do not care whether they like me. It's totally irrelevant. I ask you, though, is it?

[Stugotz]

I think the NBA has changed quite a bit, though, since you had that conversation with Eric Spoelstra. I can see where Michael Malone, that he says that Michael Malone's always spoken with a bravado about him, but he's saying that as an NBA, A recent NBA champion head coach that has succeeded with that very core at the very highest level. They won a championship with him issuing that message, going about things a certain way. I don't know what's changed, really, except for the rest of the conference probably getting a little bit better and the results not quite being there. I spoke to people that would know that cover the NBA, because I don't follow it that closely. I saw this alert, and once again, the second time this year after the Luka trade, I'm like, is this real? Could they have possibly done this? This is the second top five seed in the Western Conference that has decided to fire its head coach with 10 games remaining.

[Chris Cody]

It's crazy. Kevin O'Connor, but I'm sorry, but what.

[Stugotz]

What they told me was Michael Malone tends to ride his team really, really hard. And when the results aren't there, you don't have the success. We've seen this in the NFL, where the authoritarian type of head coach, his act worse thin after a little bit. Me, as a Heat fan, I'm really shocked that a team with a championship pedigree that failed to deliver on expectations actually had a punitive measure for leadership. That's crazy.

[Chris Cody]

You said when the results aren't there, that team's really good.

[Dan Le Batard]

Well, they're 47 and 32. They're the fifth seed in the west right now.

[Chris Cody]

It's really good.

[Stugotz]

It's a weird conference in that, you know, they're like a game away from the 80s.

[Chris Cody]

They've never been. They've never been the one seed. That's not. That's not who they are. They didn't win the championship as the 1 seed. They've never been the best team in that.

[Dan Le Batard]

But when you have the best player in the league, don't you expect the record to be better than 47 and 32?

[Chris Cody]

What it's been almost the entire time Jokic is there during his reign of dominance is about where it is. This isn't about the record when you're doing it.

[Stugotz]

At this point, I kind of understand the GM being fired though.

[Chris Cody]

Well, here's what Kevin O'Connor says and yes, I understand the GM being fired too, but he says, absolutely nuts. Booth and Malone never liked each other, rarely spoke and talked behind each other's back. With the team struggling on the court, Nuggets ownership decided decided to fire both of them. And that seems insane and it does feel insane because it is rare. Not since the Luca trade have I double checked the Shams account and been like, am I getting sheftered or held? Yeah, one of like I have to. Did someone spell Shams his last name in a way that is meant to trick me because they changed the letter and can buy a blue check mark.

[Stugotz]

Oh, I have the mobile alerts, but even then, just like the Luke one, I'm like, there is something's wrong here.

[Mike Ryan]

You know, they can't do this without at least mentioning it to Jokic. And I just wish to be a fly on the wall for his indifference and just be like, I don't care.

[Stugotz]

With the Taylor Jenkins stuff in Memphis. I'm like, well, you know that this probably went through J Point and I can see Jaw having opinions on the matter. Jokic, I assume that they cleared this with him, but I'm not really sure. Ball Basket.

[Dan]

Is the season over? No, you still got to play.

[Greg Cody]

I mean, not only is the season not over, they could still win home court advantage in the playoffs. It's crazy to fire them when they fired them.

[Chris Cody]

Well, they have more information than we do.

[Greg Cody]

They do for sure. But when I hear a coach question his players pride, that that's a red flag. I don't think any player, and it isn't just this generation, I don't think any player ever wants to have their pride or their effort questioned. You can question the physicality of their play or something they're doing technically wrong. But to say that you don't have any pride or you're not trying sarcastically.

[Mike Ryan]

Saying, oh, they don't watch film, we're gonna show them it.

[Dan Le Batard]

There's no way he said it thinking, this is gonna cost me my job. I want a title A couple of years ago. Sometimes you gotta lie, Dan. Sometimes lying is the best policy. I'm telling you. Gotta say, listen, my guys are champions. They will figure it out. We don't watch film, but we have the best player in the world. You have to just say the things you need to say to keep your job. You know what I'm saying?

[Billy]

They were the 1 seed when they won the championship in 23.

[Chris Cody]

Okay, thank you.

[Mike Ryan]

Jokic is like, what will get this over quicker? Okay, new coach, bring him in.

[Dan Le Batard]

Whatever you want.

[Chris Cody]

I don't think those accents are working for me.

[Stugotz]

Did you see what did you see on TNT? Lefkoe asked Shaq, like, you know, 2001 Shaquille O'Neal versus 20, 25 Jokic, what happens? He goes Slovenian chicken, and then he goes on the thing. And then, like, Lefkoe just, like, tries to squeeze in East Serbian. Hey, folks, it's Mike Ryan. And if you're watching our show, you probably know and your boy has undergone a little bit of a body transformation. And I gotta tell you, Peloton has helped me on my fitness journey. It got the ball rolling for me because I watch my wife on the Peloton. She takes all these great classes. She has her favorite instructors. I listen to the music. I'm a big music guy. Gets me fired up. Makes me want to take part in this fitness phenomenon known as Peloton. Peloton offers a variety of challenging classes, from four week strength building classes to running, cycling, and everything in between. Peloton will help you achieve your goals, and maybe you'll have some fun along the way. I know I have. It's backed by thousands of members whose lives have been changed. Be part of that group. Telling you I'm better for it. Have it in my office. Sometimes I can put on the baseball game. Sometimes I can put on a soccer match. Some other times I'm totally locked in on an emo playlist. Find your push, find your power with [e-mail].

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[Stugotz]

Le proponent and we need to establish him in some reasonable doubt. Yes, exactly.

[Chris Cody]

Everyone with a story where he pe.

[Stugotz]

More than you do st I always like leaving hand on the chicken cuz he's so vulnerable I just unfairly fade down the chickens to just leave him by himself.

[Dan]

This is the D Avatar show with the stugats.

[Chris Cody]

The thing I wanted to ask you about what you just said because you said I don't know. I don't know what changed. And one of the things that changed pretty dramatically where power is concerned is the players. Now if we're going to make it that three of the last five NBA champion coaches have been fired within two years, the player's guaranteed money and position is more guaranteed than the coaches and the power that the player has by virtue of that makes it more important that you like him or listen to him or respect him makes it more important now than it's ever been. If I make the power imbalance with the coaches something that the coach can behave like this and control just your minutes. Russell Westbrook can sabotage you. Russell Westbrook's game, it's been. I mean, is anyone else still amazed that Russell Westbrook is still out there getting minutes when he is by volume one of the worst three point shooters we've ever seen in the history of the league and only gotten worse as his game has declined. A guy who averaged a triple double for a season and got to enjoy the ego of being the MVP of the league has played in this league about two or three years longer than I thought he was going to to fit anywhere because of what his usage rate demands and what his inefficiencies are with the basketball. A lot of people are Pointing to this and just saying, well, what the GM did to get fired is that Bruce Brown, who helped them win a championship, is gone. And what's in its place is a Russell Westbrook that's at the very tail end of the fumes of his career. And I would have thought that he would have already been out of the league because I didn't think that he was going to be somebody on a bench playing 12 minutes a night.

[Stugotz]

I remember looking at it a couple of months ago and being surprised at how good Westbrook was playing for them. Now the numbers have probably dipped a little bit, but he's having a better year than he had last year for them. I think you're right to seize on that, regardless of him improving year over year. I know they won with this core, but you have what might be the most unstoppable offensive force in the history of the game. And to surround him with that same level of talent and slowly pick away pieces that made a difference on a championship team, that's not really a recipe for a GM keeping his job, especially when you've already established what the new standard is for a franchise. So I totally get the gm, the head coach. I'm shocked. Like, I can understand firing Malone after if they disappoint in the postseason, but I guess the thinking is, from Stan Kroenke on down, we have, what I just said, the most dominant offensive force in the NBA. We cannot waste another year of this window. We are not going to get to the top of the mountain with this head coach. And if that's what they deduce, then you got to support it, right?

[Chris Cody]

No.

[Stugotz]

Okay.

[Chris Cody]

The reason I don't have to support it is because of the timing.

[Stugotz]

But you support it with the Heat.

[Chris Cody]

It's a weird timing. It's a weird timing like that. I don't. I don't.

[Dan Le Batard]

They think a new coach is going to be the thing that helps propel this team to an NBA championship.

[Chris Cody]

I'm not. I'm not going to sit here and question people who have a lot more information than I do and a lot more investment in what they're doing. Making a decision that is shocking to me, but I'm shocked by the timing of it. It's not. We've changed the rules, okay? Hey, champion Coach. You've got two years. And being 15 games over.500 after two years is not enough. You now have less than two years to do it. But firing the. The thing that Memphis and Denver has done here with. With, you know, fewer than five Games before the playoffs. I don't even know the mechanics. Can. Do you think anybody in our audience can explain to me the mechanics of just overhauling your entire management team this close to the playoffs? Like what, what does it even mean to get this person out? And when I ask you about does it matter if players like their coach? To me, the reason this is being done, even though we don't have all the reporting information on this, is because they believe by simply getting Mike Malone off their neck, whatever tactical advantages he offers, whatever knowledge of the players he offers, whatever coach of the year stuff he offers, they think is not as worth as much. Let's get these people off of these players at a wildly inopportune time. And I ask you guys like, if you, if you think this isn't a wildly inopportune time, where would I have to put it for you to be shocked by it right before the playoffs, two games into the playoffs?

[Dan]

I mean, this is effectively right before the playoffs. But like, this seems like a move that you would normally applaud as leadership because this is not the time most people would do it. Most people would wait till the end of the season, till a failed playoff run. And here they're saying this is what we've determined to be the problem and this is the piece that we feel like we need to remove. So let's remove it now instead of wasting a playoff run.

[Dan Le Batard]

When you say two games into the playoffs, are you thinking the Nuggets are down, oh two in a series, they fire the coach? That would be great.

[Stugotz]

So in the NBA there aren't very many recent examples, especially when you're trying to cite something this close. Ty Lue would probably be the most recent example of a mid season change, I would say in Europe, in soccer, both on the international and club level, there are plenty of examples of a management change right before an elimination stretch in a competition or a pivotal point in the season where the team goes on to go on a run hockey the same way, but 10 games before the season. You have a couple examples with the Lakers, but this is a fairly new phenomenon in the United States.

[Chris Cody]

Jessica, can you please tell me the year that the Nuggets were the 1 seed? How many games over.500 were they when they were the 1 seed?

[Billy]

Oh, they were 53 and 29. So 0.649 or 646 winning percentage.

[Stugotz]

Craig Baruby and Dan Bisma. I probably butchered that last name for the Pens. Both mid season changes. So I was just looking up interim Coaches, most of these happen way closer to the middle part of the season than the latter though.

[Billy]

Yeah. And they have injuries going into the playoffs. So I think this is telling you, the front office, I guess, is like we don't think they're going to go very far. The defense has not been good. Like this is. This team's not going to make a deep run anyways because of this five game skid they've been on. So let's just do it now and get it over with because we know this is not going to be the year that they.

[Chris Cody]

Oh, I don't believe that.

[Stugotz]

No.

[Chris Cody]

I believe that this is a move meant to try and alter that. That they've decided that with Malone this isn't the year and with someone else it will be like what the. It's not that this is merely shocking. It's. It's the timing.

[David Sampson]

More.

[Chris Cody]

More than just. More than just firing the coach, which is surprising enough. But let's go out here. David Sampson, nothing personal. He just finished with nothing personal. What were your thoughts here on everything that the Nuggets did, What Billy is saying about leadership and what we're talking about, about a coach saying he doesn't care whether or not he's liked or not, even though in this case I would say it probably had something to do with what was happening at the end.

[David Sampson]

The only possible excuse here is that something majorly acute happened. That is the only way that you could make a change like this. Three games to go, they when the Hawks fired Hubie Brown, they were not in the playoff race and that's the closest example we can find in the association. But now the problem is you had the vice chairman, the owner's son, go out and explain why he did it. And the explanation was incredibly bizarre. He made a statement and then went on TV saying there were a lot of very disturbing trends. We evaluated this very carefully, as though to say that in a power struggle between the GM and the coach, the solution is to fire both. That's not the solution. You choose a side and you fire one of them and you don't do it with three games left. There's no need to, because as a leader, you can empower the winning side of the power struggle and you can neuter the losing side without creating this sort of havoc. There was simply no upside to it. I expect the Denver Nuggets players to have a players only meeting today before they play the Kings, and I expect them to just go play and ignore the idiocy that was exemplified by the.

[Chris Cody]

Front office, you say there's no upside to it. They don't think that. Correct. And the idiocy, you're saying is a front office and a leadership team that won the championship a couple of years ago, you're saying no upside, even though they would not agree with that assessment. Or do you agree with Jess that they've given up on the season and this is just to get the odor? This is just basically Febreze in the bathroom after you've made a mess.

[David Sampson]

I spent my career chasing Amy after winning the World Series in 03. I know exactly what they're doing. Obviously you want to do anything you can. You're not throwing away any season because you never know when you're going to do it again. So you try every year to do it. The Cronkies actually believe that this will make the difference in the Western Conference. And of course it's silly. They promoted the assistant, the great Rick Edelman son, to be the coach. Is he going to put in a whole new system in the draft, in the players, in the minutes? It's preposterous. There is no change that will happen with the Nuggets. Their fate is their fate, and all it does is make them look silly.

[Stugotz]

Well, the counting stats, especially defensively, are pretty damning. And they've shown that core has shown they can dial it up and they've never been as bad as 20th in defensive efficiency. So that may play to something that Woody Page said on around the Horn yesterday. Woody Page has been in that market for a long time and he covered the Denver Nuggets and he had sources that said, I think you can kind of tell from the Michael Malone clip that we played that Malone's message to the players had gotten stale. They were over it. And Jokic did indeed sign off on this move to further the point that Malone had gotten stale with the team.

[Chris Cody]

Gotten stale with a couple of games left in the season. My guess is that the expiration date was long before this. This. Do you have any decent theories, David? Any decent theories on how things could possibly be so bad between a general manager and a coach that the owner throws up if both of them are saying either he goes or I go, and the owner says, fine, you're both right. Both of you get out of here.

[David Sampson]

Yeah, we had it in the Marlins organization where we had fights between general manager and manager or general manager and head of player personnel or general manager and agm, and it was always a power struggle that exists in any company. You have that, and that's why I'm telling you, you choose one side or the other, but you choose it at a point that makes sense for the organization. When you put the grenade, the John Morant grenade that was thrown into the Nuggets right now, you can't believe or imagine that it's going to be able to effectuate change quickly, as quickly as is required. With three games left until the playoffs, there is nothing Adelman can do that's different than Malone. He's not going to change the players or the minutes because the owner could have had that done 10 games ago or 20 games ago. And so what they were evaluating, I can't figure out for the life of me, but for me, power struggles. We solve them. We choose a side and then we fire one of them and keep the other and empower them more until they prove they're not good. And then we fire that person, too.

[Dan Le Batard]

David, it seems like the side that you, that you chose was Larry Bindfest was the gm. Is that because he's in charge of the, of the entire organization from an online, the field standpoint. So you figure, hey, if he wants the manager to go, I got to go with my guy, right?

[David Sampson]

Yeah. We chose Larry Bond Fest until it was chosen Dan Jennings over Larry Bond Fest. So power struggles change. And they. The only thing that's common is that they're always existing in any company and it's incumbent upon the owner of the president to choose in that power struggle. It happens. And not in sports. It happens on Wall Street. It happens everywhere. And with the Nuggets, what they did is they said, here's an idea, we're going to actually get rid of both of you. And in my experience, because I've considered this, the problem is then you've got to bring in somebody and you've got to start with a gm because if you hire a coach first, then you're basically emasculating whatever GM is brought in. So then you have to start with the gm. So you give an interim tag to Edelman and then start again during the off season. Why didn't you just wait?

[Greg Cody]

So, David, this is a conference where there's only one dominant team. And if you're Denver, you're allowed to think, you know what, we're underperforming. We could still be the second best team in this conference. You don't think that firing an unpopular coach, even now, even with this timing, is going to provide some sort of a spark? You don't believe in that, in that spark theory based on sudden change?

[David Sampson]

We don't talk about this much. And I loved Jack McKeon. And if you go back and ask the players in 2003, what did you think of Jack McKeon? They would say, God, we loved him. He was the cuddliest old man. We didn't know what the hell he was doing. He didn't know half our names. He was doing things that were so outrageous that we couldn't stand it. But it worked. We happened to win games, and then we won the World Series. By the way, two years later, we fired him because it wasn't working anymore. And so sometimes it's just about the moment, and it's about having the right players getting this magic pixie dust, and then you spend the rest of your life chasing it.

[Stugotz]

Well, let me ask you about 2006, where you guys were in wild card contention to the latter part of the season. You decided to fire Joe Girardi, who that year had won National League Manager of the Year. He only lasted one year there, so I assume even as you guys were in wild card contention, Girardi's act had worn thin. So did you guys actually consider a managerial change as you guys were pushing for that final wild card spot?

[David Sampson]

Yeah, well, earlier, he was fired during the season, if you remember. And, Greg, you may have covered this. He got fired during a game in October. No, it was not in October. It was during the actual regular season when he yelled at our owner during a game to sit down and shut up. So we fired him, and then the players did a mutiny. So we rehired him for the rest of the season, knowing we were going to fire him, and we begged him not to be the manager of the year. But we knew there was a chance because we had overperformed giving the payroll, but it didn't stop us. But that was a power struggle between all of us and Girardi.

[Stugotz]

How does the campaigning process against your own team winning manager of the year?

[David Sampson]

It's a strange one, but it's you. You certainly don't invest a lot of money and time. You call up the writers and say, hey, excuse me. Any chance you cannot vote for a guy we're about to can him Now.

[Greg Cody]

David, you didn't try to talk Lauria out of firing this manager just because the manager had yelled at him and told him to shut up. That doesn't seem like a firing offense to me unless the owner is especially thin skinned.

[David Sampson]

Oh, we wanted to fire Girardi at the opening press conference, Larry and I, from. From minute one. We didn't want to hire him. He was not on our list, but he was a forced hire. And from the opening press conference, we knew that we were going to have a problem with him because he was making demands for coaches like Bobby Meacham and Mike Harkey and Gary Tuck to be hired. And he was just a nightmare from minute one. And we told the owner, we don't want to work with him. And the owner said, he's the manager. That is the decision. And so when Girardi, we led him to water because Jeffrey liked to sit next to the dugout and yell at umpires and players, and we knew Gerardi didn't like it. And we waited for that pot to boil and simmer. When Girardi stood up and yelled at him, we cheered up in the box, up comes Jeffrey. Jeffrey says, get rid of him. And we were like, are you sure? Get rid of him right now. We're like, yes, baby. We walked down after the game and said, joe, you're fired. You're evil.

[Dan Le Batard]

Can you take us through the in game firing of Jack McKee and the mutiny? Yes.

[David Sampson]

Well, the. The in game firing was. Was Girardi, not McKeon. And so what happens is Jeffrey comes up since his firearms. So we go down and we're standing outside the dugout and we get word in light, like, joe, you're. You're about to get fired. Just so, you know, finish managing the game, but you're done. He comes in after the game and we say, by the way, you can't do that. You're gone. And we were so happy. But then that was a team of young players, as you recall. And those players, it was uglin. It was Hanley. They loved Joe Girardi because he was a players manager. It was his first time managing. He didn't really know what he was doing. And they did a mutiny in the clubhouse. When we told the players, just like Kroenke has to tell the Nuggets players, hey, Mike Malone's gone. The players basically said, you know, we're not going to play. And I said, of course you're going to play.

[Dan Le Batard]

We'll.

[David Sampson]

We'll send you all down like, you're going to play or you won't get paid. And they said, no, we're going to go to Jeffrey and we're not going to play. And so we then had to crawl back to Jeffrey and say, oh, we got to keep Girardi for the rest of the year, but we'll can them the minute the year's over. But These players are being ridiculous and they're just young infants, but we're going to have to acquiesce to them. It was a nightmare, Greg. I don't know how much the media was aware of that as it was happening, but you were all outside the clubhouse while all of this, all of this was happening. The mutiny happened when the clubhouse was closed after the game.

[Stugotz]

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[Dan Le Batard]

Thank you. The beard's grown out a little bit. I got a little life in my face. I feel like little Colorado, San Francisco. I had a great time.

[Stugotz]

You got life on your face.

[Chris Cody]

You got death on your face.

[Stugotz]

I think you got 40 to life on your face.

[Dan]

This is the Dan Lebatar show with the stugats.

[Chris Cody]

Chris, can you do me the favor and just isolate the laugh of David Sampson when firing somebody? I want to get that laugh and have it broadcast and echoey and sinister. David, we will come back to you in a second. I wanted to ask Greg Cody, while he is here. I don't know how much you guys talked about this last week, if at all, because what was dominating the conversation on a basketball hall of Fame that's very liberal to get into were people talking about Dwight Howard and Carmelo Anthony. But they did not talk very much about the last name that snuck in on a list that I saw at the bottom. And I was surprised by which is, oh, there's Mickey Arison in the Basketball hall of Fame. And. And I guess Stugatz is just learning. Learning that now. And I don't know what kind of news that made locally or how much people cared. It can't be disputed that he's a good owner, but I didn't immediately think of him as a Hall of Fame owner, even though three championships is hall of Fame owner. And I would want to work for him, given what it is that I've watched him do with the Miami Heat, which is super unusual. And this is something that you just don't see very often where you see this kind of wealth and power and ego the way. And it serves the Miami Heat to do this, but the way that the Miami Heat are actually run by Mickey Arison and Nick Arison and they allow everyone, because it serves everyone to know and think without any kind of rebuttal that Pat Riley is the deciding vote on all basketball things when he is not. It's. It's a vote of five and the Arisons have two votes. And Mickey Ariston has been very quietly in the shadows for 25 years of that. The. The legacy and the myth of Riley is something that serves everybody, but most owners aren't okay with that.

[Greg Cody]

I. I think it was a good selection because when you're the owner, you get residual credit for everything good that happened, everything bad as well. But in Mickey's case, the three championships, hiring Riley, drafting Dwayne Wade, getting LeBron in. In the macro, I think, and the stability of that franchise, that's been the most relentlessly, consistently winning franchise in South Florida sports history. And I think the owner gets residual credit. Plus, Basketball hall of Fame lets in too many people. Let's be honest. It's easier to get in to the Naismith hall of Fame than it is other halls of Fame. But can I say that Mickey Harrison deserved it? Sure. Yeah. And I also like the fact.

[Chris Cody]

Can you say it in a voice that's any better than the one.

[Dan Le Batard]

Get the man some water.

[Chris Cody]

Can we get the man something. He's in character.

[Dan Le Batard]

The hall of Fame move that Mickey Arison Made was hiring Pat Riley. I don't know if that gets you into the hall of Fame, but getting Riley away from the Knicks to run your organization in Miami, that's the hall of Fame, of course.

[Greg Cody]

Yeah, but. But like I say, everything that went right, the owner gets credit for that. I mean, you know, Bill having the new arena built, that's under his ownership, you know, so. So, yeah, I think he deserved it. And. And Sylvia Fowles, Miami born, also made the hall of Fame WNBA great. So shout out to her. That's maniacal.

[Chris Cody]

Do we have other laughs to compare it to? Because I believe he laughed harder when Bob Ross's family ripped him off. I thought, I thought that he. I thought he enjoyed. I thought, I thought that laugh was a more sinister laugh than the laughter laugh that we get when Sampson fires somebody. Greg Cody is. He's claiming something. Something shocking. I believe Greg Cody is claiming that the Miami Heat and Inter Miami have games of the year on the docket.

[Greg Cody]

Yes, right. Games of the year. I mean, tonight Miami at Chicago Heat at Bulls is going to. Is for all practical purposes going to determine home court in the play in.

[Dan Le Batard]

It's a big game, Dan.

[Greg Cody]

It's a big game. It is. Keep in mind that's in the context of a MA season, a nothing season. Other than the Jimmy Butler controversy, this has been the most forgettable Heat season in recent memory. So tonight at least is a game with stakes Inter Miami. I don't have to tell Mike Ryan they have to win against LAFC because if they go out in the quarterfinals of the CONCACAF Champions cup again on top of. Of the crap they took in the MLS cup playoffs last season, that heaps so much pressure on Messi. Because as much as Messi has meant for this off field health of the franchise in the league, he's failed to deliver a major cup. And don't tell me about the league's cup. Nobody cares about that.

[Stugotz]

I was going to tell you about the supporter shield.

[Greg Cody]

The supporter shield is important, but it's also the regular season and, and as my great friend Stu Gotts would say, do it in the playoffs, which they infamously did not bring in the water.

[Mike Ryan]

Thank you, guys.

[Chris Cody]

Yes. Somebody please help him here. I. I read the story.

[Dan Le Batard]

Sound great.

[Chris Cody]

He doesn't sound.

[Mike Ryan]

Let's hear the difference.

[Chris Cody]

But sometimes the best policy.

[Greg Cody]

Thankfully my wife says this sexy voice.

[Dan]

It really is. Yeah, I'm hard.

[Greg Cody]

Thank you. Wow. So am I, actually. I don't know why.

[Mike Ryan]

Just to tease our video that's coming out of my dad acting the improv classes last night. I don't want to ruin anything. Got this. Reminded me of it. Oddly sexual. A lot of it. Not my dad's fault. He didn't bring it there. It was brought there to him and it was awkward.

[Stugotz]

Baby.

[Greg Cody]

Yeah, it was great. I loved it. It was an improv in the improv section.

[Mike Ryan]

I said that, I think.

[Greg Cody]

Yeah. Oh, did you? Okay. Good water, by the way. Meadowlark water. Some of the best on earth.

[Mike Ryan]

You instantly sound better. Yeah, with a little hydration, man.

[Greg Cody]

Hydration.

[Chris Cody]

Why are you so bad at taking care of yourself?

[Greg Cody]

I let others do that for me.

[Chris Cody]

Why don't they do it better?

[Greg Cody]

That's a good question.

[Dan]

He's gotten 70, right? I mean.

[Greg Cody]

Yeah, he's alive.

[Dan]

Yeah, exactly, right?

[Dan Le Batard]

You think he made it here alone? He's got.

[Chris Cody]

Well, he's gotten to 70, but he's gotten to 70 coming in here and lamenting why he looks so much older than 89 year old Jane Fonda who's 19 years older than he.

[Greg Cody]

Yeah, she's at work. I haven't.

[Mike Ryan]

My dad went down a slide on the cruise.

[Dan]

Really?

[Greg Cody]

Damn right I did.

[Dan]

Wow.

[Greg Cody]

I sure did and enjoyed every minute of it.

[Dan Le Batard]

Were you sore the next day or.

[Mike Ryan]

No, no, actually, two slides. He went down a kid's slide randomly and then he went down like a extreme water slide. Like a family style. Right.

[Greg Cody]

Big flume. Yeah. That was fun. I'm. I'm physically active.

[Mike Ryan]

You know, you walk from your office to the garage.

[Greg Cody]

I do it all.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah.

[Greg Cody]

By the way, this hotel we're in.

[Mike Ryan]

Oh, boy.

[Greg Cody]

You go to the elevator, there's no great hotel.

[Stugotz]

Great partners.

[Greg Cody]

It is a great. I mean, we love the ulcer, but.

[Dan Le Batard]

It'S beautiful but confusing.

[Greg Cody]

When I go to an elevator, I expect to push a button to open the door.

[Mike Ryan]

I got a call this morning. He's like, I can't get on the elevator. He was like standing in the elevator. Well, and there's no button buttons. I'm like, dad, walk back out to the hallway. There's the scanner thing. He's like, oh, yeah, okay. And then he calls me back. I can only get down to the lobby.

[Chris Cody]

How have you been getting up here every week since you've been doing this? Using that elevator without knowing how that elevator works. Well, there are no buttons in that elevator.

[Greg Cody]

I've got the fob that I use in at the lobby level. This is the first time I've ever. I think it's the first time I've.

[Stugotz]

Not the first time, but that fob Works on any level.

[Jessica]

You've stayed here before.

[Greg Cody]

Yeah, but the fob was in my.

[Stugotz]

Office.

[Greg Cody]

Yeah.

[Dan Le Batard]

Only take you, right?

[Greg Cody]

Yeah.

[Stugotz]

So why didn't you try the fob that you usually try?

[Greg Cody]

Because it was in my satchel. Right. You know, I had my room key with me, but I didn't have the fob handy.

[Chris Cody]

If only one of those people who takes care of you had been around to just take care of that for you.

[Greg Cody]

Well, I've told you for years, I need a pa. You know, you said.

[Chris Cody]

You need a staff. You said you need an entire staff and that you actually want a king's staff. Staff that you want, not just the people that work for him, but a staff you can carry around to order them around.

[Greg Cody]

I want to have a chief of staff. You know, the president does. I want one. You know, I think I need one.

[Dan Le Batard]

I'd like to apply for that position.

[Greg Cody]

That would be great.

[Dan Le Batard]

I want to be on your staff.

[Greg Cody]

Oh my God.

[Mike Ryan]

Somebody sent in a staff for him at the old studio. I don't think it made it over to this one.

[Greg Cody]

Yeah, that was majestic. It was like 8ft tall. Whatever happened to that?

[Mike Ryan]

Only we still had it. What could that thing be doing now?

[Greg Cody]

My. My dad's walking cane.

[Dan]

Is that so?

[Greg Cody]

Which is a wild bill. Yeah. Which is a mini staff, I guess you'd call it.

[Mike Ryan]

That was the cane that I used, Mike, when we did the owner bit.

[Stugotz]

Remember where I final game of the season.

[Greg Cody]

Oh, yeah.

[Mike Ryan]

And then I felt instantly uncomfortable because I was wearing a cowboy hat and.

[Greg Cody]

I had a cane, an old man's.

[Mike Ryan]

Cane, and it was just oddly uncomfortable.

[Greg Cody]

Right.

[Mike Ryan]

Everyone looking at me like, this guy's a racist.

[Greg Cody]

That was fun.

[Chris Cody]

Billy. Why are you still hard?

[Stugotz]

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