Local Hour: The Bevacqua-Off

Summary

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The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz

Local Hour: The Bevacqua-Off (December 10, 2025)

Main Theme & Purpose

Broadcasting from the Elser Hotel in Downtown Miami, Dan Le Batard, Stugotz, and the crew gather in the “shipping container” for a lively, often hilarious discussion centered on the current wave of national ridicule directed at Notre Dame—especially around their exclusion from the college football playoff. The episode examines Notre Dame’s unique place in the sports landscape as both a symbol of privilege and, now, an object of public schadenfreude, punctuated by a running gag about their athletic director, Pete Bevacqua. The hour blends sports analysis, pop-culture references, signature show irreverence, and some NBA Heat handwringing into a highly animated, highly Miami-centric roundtable.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Notre Dame—From Powerhouse to Punchline

• Disproportionate Joy at Their Suffering: Dan notices how the nation delights in Notre Dame’s rare chance to claim victimhood, only to receive ridicule instead of sympathy.

  “I underestimated how much joy America would get from watching Notre Dame suffer.” — Dan (04:32)

• Sports as Stage for Hypocrisy: The hosts note Notre Dame occupies a unique duality: both the Goliath with “golden Jesus” resources and the David “trampled by elites.”

  “One of the great things you get to do in sports…is be both Goliath and David.” — Pablo (04:45)

• Social Media Reactions & ‘The Sound’: The infamous viral video of Notre Dame students on Selection Day is replayed and dissected, symbolizing the collective agony and mockery directed at the fanbase.

  “That sound speaks for the entire Notre Dame constituency.” — Dan (07:26) Cue sound montage of “No!” (07:45)

• Media Dogpile Montage: The team plays a supercut of national pundits (Wilbon, Stephen A., Cowherd, Finebaum) reveling in Notre Dame’s exclusion, further demonstrating the depths of public animosity.

  “The crying from Notre Dame is, quite frankly, embarrassing.” — Wilbon, montage (10:18-11:32) “You didn’t have a strength of schedule, you had a stink of schedule.” — Colin Cowherd, montage (11:07)

2. Is There a ‘Right’ Way for Notre Dame to Complain?

• Bevacqua’s Dilemma: Debate over whether AD Pete Bevacqua’s public commentary is helping or hurting the program—most agree his approach is backfiring and only increasing vitriol, with jokes about firing him.

  "There's a part of me that thinks he'd be fired." — Zaslo (21:00) “Everyone agrees you got screwed, yet they're dunking on you. How unlikable do you have to be?” — Zaslo (20:52)

• Crisis Comms Catch-22: Even if Bevacqua articulates fans’ grievances precisely, the act of publicly airing them seems to trigger more backlash; the fan base is viewed as entitled or overly sanctimonious.

  "He’s saying the correct things on behalf of the fanbase and everyone’s turning on him anyway." — Dan (22:31) “No one says anything. At best, everyone's like, ‘Oh, that's a shame.’ At worst…you made all the public opinion turn against you. Loser behavior.” — Amin (24:12)

• The ‘Holier Than Thou’ Conundrum: Pablo points out Notre Dame’s unique brand, where their self-importance (“actually think they're holier than thou”) makes complaints insufferable even when justified (25:31).

3. The ‘Bevacqua-Off’ and Tone-Setting Levity

• Impromptu Name-off: The hosts break into a tongue-in-cheek competition for who can say “Bevacqua” most musically/dramatically, lampooning the AD's notoriety.

  “Let’s have a Bevacqua-off, shall we?” — Dan (25:49)

• Meta-Content and Miami Bias: Recurrent jokes about how the crew (or Miami) would be just as much of a target if the Canes were snubbed; the idea of hate-watching a Miami/Notre Dame grievance parade for pure content.

  “We almost got all of America feeling this way about just Mike Ryan because Miami would have gotten this same thing… for complaining.” — Dan (37:08)

4. Who Else Inspires This Much Schadenfreude?

• Comparisons to Yankees, Duke: The crew debates other “self-righteous” brands that inspire mass public hostility—settling on Duke basketball as the closest comparison, but acknowledging Notre Dame’s special position as dynastic without having recently won.

  "Duke basketball. They think they're better than us. Guess what? That's the winner." — Tony & Zaslo (31:55)

• System vs. Program: Discussion of how Notre Dame’s independence and special playoff contract induce extra ire and how this is a fundamental business vs. tradition clash.

  “They are bigger than everyone they think, but they haven't been for 30 years as a championship entity.” — Dan (34:12)

5. Pivot: Miami Heat’s Tyler Herro Problem

• Narrative Shift to NBA: The last section shifts to the Miami Heat’s struggles upon Tyler Herro’s return—five losses in six games, offensive drop-off, and fan blame converging on Herro.

• ‘Ewing Theory’ in Miami: Amin draws on the famous “Ewing Theory”—that a team improves when its star leaves—to illustrate the awkward optics for Herro.

  “All of the fun…disappeared as soon as [Herro] reappeared, and all you have…is a fanbase…blaming Tyler Herro for mucking it all up.” — Dan (38:50) “You lose defense when you add [Tyler]—that’s empirically so.” — Dan (45:43)

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Memorable Quotes & Moments (with Timestamps)

• On the National Delight in Notre Dame’s Misfortune:
  “I underestimated how much joy America would get from watching Notre Dame suffer.” — Dan (04:32)

• On Privilege and Victimhood:
  “One of the great things you get to do in sports…is be both Goliath and David.” — Pablo (04:45)

• “Stink of Schedule”:
  “You didn’t have a strength of schedule, you had a stink of schedule.” — Colin Cowherd, montage (11:07)
  “That made me laugh out loud more than stench.” — Chris (13:09)

• On Bevacqua’s Public Advocacy:
  “There’s a part of me that thinks he'd be fired.” — Zaslo (21:00)
  “He’s saying the correct things on behalf of the fanbase and everyone’s turning on him anyway.” — Dan (22:31)

• On the Notre Dame Brand:
  “They actually think they're holier than thou. That’s the added context to all of this complaining.” — Pablo (25:31)

• The Bevacqua-Off:
  “Let’s have a Bevacqua-off, shall we?” — Dan (25:49)
  [Multiple iterations of the ‘Bevacqua’ name, in increasingly dramatic tones.] (26:39-27:14)

• On Lack of Recent Success:
  “Notre Dame's success is fossilized and cobwebbed.” — Dan (32:00)

• On the System and Business:
  “They are bigger than everyone they think, but they haven't been for 30 years as a championship entity.” — Dan (34:12)
  “Notre Dame is good at being a program because it's business. Now they're reckoning with business and success not being the same.” — Pablo (34:47)

• Pivot to Heat/Herro:
  “All of the fun…disappeared as soon as [Herro] reappeared, and all you have…is a fanbase…blaming Tyler Herro for mucking it all up.” — Dan (38:50)
  “All these threes they’re missing—open threes they’ve been making all season.” — Dan (41:37)
  “The Heat are a mediocre offense that plays fast, but their efficiencies have been 13, 14, 15 all season. What they've been is a top three defense in the league. And you lose defense when you add Hero—that's empirically so.” — Dan (45:43)

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Important Segment Timestamps

• [03:30] — Dan’s intro and Notre Dame’s unique suffering
• [05:12] — The country’s desire to see Notre Dame as both Goliath and victim
• [06:16–07:45] — Notre Dame fan reaction soundbite & analysis
• [10:12–11:32] — Montage of national pundit outrage and ridicule
• [20:52] — The “fire Bevacqua?” (Zaslo’s theory)
• [21:58] — Is there a right way for Notre Dame to voice grievance?
• [24:53] — Pablo’s thesis: “It’s about being right, not getting justice.”
• [25:31] — “Holier than thou” as a Notre Dame identity
• [25:49–27:14] — The Bevacqua-Off contest
• [31:51] — Who else inspires this much hate? Duke basketball & Yankees debate
• [34:12–35:01] — System, business, and Notre Dame’s supposed specialness
• [38:50] — Miami Heat, Tyler Herro, & optics after his return
• [41:37] — Heat’s three-point shooting & bench struggles
• [45:43] — Ewing Theory & Hero’s defensive drop-off

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Tone & Language

The conversation continually pivots between wry, absurdist humor, sharp sports critique, and quirky Miami-centric asides. Banter is fast, informal, and often self-referential, maintaining the show’s hallmark blend of knowledge and self-aware irreverence.

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Takeaways for New Listeners

• This episode is a masterclass in collective sports schadenfreude, especially as directed at Notre Dame.
• The crew delights in unpacking the irrational forces—history, reputation, media narratives, and envy—that make certain teams (and their fans) irresistible targets for ridicule.
• “The Bevacqua-Off” encapsulates the show’s offbeat humor, while the late pivot to the NBA keeps the content rooted in Miami’s own sports anxieties.
• Rich with quotable lines, soundbites, and self-deprecating Miami bias, this hour is both a love letter to sports pettiness and a showcase for the show’s unique group dynamic.

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Transcript

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So this is fun.

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Ah.

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Yeah.

[F]

Woo.

[E]

Dan's still in New York.

[C]

Ah, New York.

[E]

We're in Miami. But today we've decided to all be in the shipping container.

[G]

It's weird being all of us in here.

[E]

It is weird. We never do this. Not even for mystery crate.

[C]

Yeah.

[E]

And so one of the reasons why is. Cause Dan wants to be able to see us all at the same time. Which is a great idea. Except Zaz's head is so big.

[D]

Yo.

[A]

He obscures the camera.

[E]

So now in order for Dan to be able to see us all, we are all in these weird positions. Like we're playing Twister.

[D]

Yeah, totally.

[E]

Tony's off to the side. Chris is bending his knees a little bit.

[B]

My right foot's on green.

[E]

I'm over here leaning. Zaz's head is like an eclipse.

[D]

I got big ol head.

[A]

Yeah, you got a big eye head.

[D]

That's how the kids say it. Big ol Head.

[E]

Do they?

[G]

It's more A than an H there.

[C]

Yeah, Yeah.

[E]

I hate that, man.

[A]

Big ass.

[E]

It's. Cause it's supposed to be big ass, but then you say big ass, but the kids don't know. They just read it. So it's big.

[A]

Ah, Head.

[F]

Kind of like that.

[B]

My daughter called me bruh the other day.

[E]

Whoa, what was that?

[B]

Like, she's seven.

[E]

No, what was the context?

[B]

It was just like I said, like, you can't do that. You're like, bruh.

[D]

Yeah, but bruh. Bruh's been around for, like. For like, ever, you know, that's seven. Yeah, but that's not new. It's not a new term.

[E]

Zazu, calling your dad bro at seven?

[D]

No, no, I'm gonna call him sir.

[G]

You called your dad sir?

[D]

No, I didn't call him sir.

[E]

I was gonna say, will you ever call your dad bro?

[G]

No. Recently?

[E]

Yeah.

[F]

Yeah.

[G]

Like, after I became a man, I. I called. Started calling him by his first name.

[H]

What?

[G]

Yeah, like, my dad's name is Tony.

[E]

So I call him T. Like recreational.

[G]

Yeah, like recreational. Like, T. Where are you? Yeah, I rarely call him Tony.

[C]

Right?

[G]

Like, I call him T. I call him Pop. But, like, dad, I haven't said in a long time.

[E]

I haven't said dad in a long time.

[H]

But I don't.

[E]

I don't call my dad by my. By his name either.

[G]

Even by a nickname.

[E]

No, just say, hey, I don't know.

[G]

You don't call him by his name at all.

[A]

Hey, where are you?

[H]

This is the Dan Levator show with the Stugats podcast.

[A]

You will forgive me as I stumble through New York drinking too much every night in New York, because I'm seeing a lot of people that I'm really happy to see and celebrating with them a fun holiday time. I have been a little bit disconnected in ways that are hard to explain from exactly what's happening at Notre Dame. Notre Dame over the last couple of days. They're mad at you and how the country. Well, mad at me.

[C]

Now I'm sitting with you.

[A]

How the country is turning against Notre Dame in a way that I underestimated. Like, I've been covering sports for a long time, but I didn't realize exactly what this would become over the last couple of days when you have Notre Dame actually being wronged, complaining about being wronged, and then America getting the chance to laugh at Notre Dame for whimpering about the wrong, and how frustrating it must be to actually be right about something. Be right about something in sports, but handle it in a way that complains and allows everyone to call you a whimper. I underestimated how much joy America would get from watching Notre Dame suffer.

[C]

The Notre Dame thing. I want to be clear about this. One of the great things you get to do in sports especially is. And it's rare, but sometimes it happens, is be both Goliath and David. You get to be like the big bad thing with all the resources and all the history and literal golden Jesus, but also be the upstart that is being trampled upon by the big wigs, the elites. And Notre Dame gets to be both of those things.

[A]

Oh, but how do you do. This one's so interesting to me. How do you successfully do being a victim, complaining about being a victim, and then become more of a victim? Because Stephen A. Smith and Michael Wilbon can now unleash. I've always hated these people. I've hated them for 50 years I've hated them. And now I get to hate them and enjoy that they're wrong. Let's play again. This when I say I underestimated.

[C]

They really do hate them.

[A]

No, the hatred. Look, we have unleashed a violent. A violent torrent of vomit that has existed inside of Stephen A. Smith and Michael Wilbon. And the most indignant of people who have thought that this is a sanctimonious franchise.

[C]

They know Goliath. They know that version.

[A]

And so play. Just play again. I did not do enough with this this week. The live podcast reaction of those two kids watching Selection Day and realizing together, oh my God, they've bleeped us. Certainly is going to be Miami or Notre dam.

[D]

So number 10.

[A]

No.

[D]

Are you merely been ranked ahead of them?

[E]

These are children, Zaslo.

[D]

Okay, see, I'm glad that Amin just said that. Who cares that first of all, they're not little kids, but they decided to go on a live video and stream their reaction to Notre Dame in Miami. And there are people in this shipping container right now. Damn. Who think that we're doing something wrong by giving an exposure. By the way, greatest moments their lives. These kids. There's something wrong. I mean. I mean, welcome to sports. This is how sports operates.

[E]

You guys are acting like this is an officially sanctioned Notre Dame podcast. Like these are just kids in a dorm room.

[B]

I'm pretty sure the kid on the bottom was wearing a wedding ring.

[E]

That's a.

[B]

What are you guys doing to this?

[E]

A promise ring.

He's going to prom next week.

[A]

Can we isolate?

[B]

I swear it's all wedding ring on the kid on the bottom we're calling him kids.

[E]

We got the winter social.

[B]

These kids are so happy that we played this.

[D]

Best moment of their life getting airtime here. You're welcome, kids.

[A]

Guys, do you guys realize how rare it is ok, to have a singular sound speak on behalf of the entire Notre Dame consistency. The entire generations of Notre Dame fans are being spoken for with this one sound. Roy is playing.

[G]

No.

[A]

And Michael Wilbon and Stephen A. Smith have been waiting for 50 years to trounce on this sound. No.

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You're welcome, kids.

[A]

No. I underestimated Pablo, that America would enjoy this sound coming from this institution more than it coming from literally any other sports institution. No.

[C]

I am now realizing, like, what's happening here. And I'm glad Amin provides some element of pushback here because you guys fundamentally, Mike Ryan is not here today, but you guys fundamentally act like a. A super pac for the you. And it's to the point where Mike Wilbon did text me yesterday. So Dan and I taped with Method man yesterday. I don't know how Wilbond knew this.

[A]

That's a lot of look at me, Louie.

[E]

Right?

[C]

Oh, here's. Here's more. Because Mike Wilbon out of. I had not told Wilbon that, but he texted. I don't know how he knew this. He texted me at 4:12pm.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Stop with Method man and let's you go after Notor Dame exclamation point. And he's not joking.

[A]

I just saw Fuentes walk into the room. Roy. Has he gotten together the montage that I asked him of? Just go find from the Internet an assortment of voices who are delighting in what is happening here. Because I'm telling you, when I. I've known Wilbon and Stephen A. Smith for a long time. I have not seen this gen. This, this spirit and this bio investigate.

[C]

Notre Dame like there that kid. That sound feels. I told him it feels like they've suffered enough. What do you want?

[A]

No, let me explain to you what's happening here, because I know Michael Wilbon and Stephen A. Smith, they're wrestling characters. How it is that they summon what is performative outrage and what's real. Real. I've summoned the slumbering giant in me who used to hate for all the right reasons. These are two guys who have really gotten hardened by the industry. It is rare when I see the genuine rage of petty in their voices and in their bosoms. What sound do you have there, Roy, that Fuentes has put together? Who are the stars of this sound montage on just the pettiness of hating Notre Dam.

[H]

It's Will Bond, Stephen A, Colin Cowherd and Paul Feinman.

[B]

And Dan, you're asking. He just came in here, he said, hey guys, I got the montage ready. You should probably listen to it. Didn't have time to do that yet.

[A]

Let's roll it. Put on your big boy pants, grow up and accept accountability for the role you played. I'm glad they're home. I'm glad they're going nowhere. The crying from Notre Dame is quite frankly embarrassing.

[G]

Notre Dame, Stop whining.

[A]

All of these other sports are involved with the ACC except football. Oh, we want to keep those dollars for ourselves.

[G]

How hypocritical is Notre Dame?

[A]

Let me the acc as long as I get my paycheck and then behave like this. And had they joined the acc, which they by the way are a member of in every other sport, they would have played for the ACC championship game. They would be in the playoff today and they wouldn't be a bunch of sniveling crybabies. And really, quite frankly, in my opinion, the laughingstock of college football.

[C]

You didn't have a strength of schedule, you had a stink of schedule.

[A]

So here you are with your selfish asses. You're out there being an independent and the one thing you can't control, you want to whine and moan about it because your team lost head up to Miami to open the season.

[G]

Oh yeah, they did play Miami that's got a great defense and they couldn't run the ball.

[A]

Instead they, they cried, they didn't get their way. And then they said we're going home, we're taking our ball like a five year old. Games in August counted. You wanted to play it right? You went out there and played it and you lost. Then you turn around and you lose to Texas A and M. So you start off the season 02. Well, you won 10 straight. But who did you beat? Your storied victories was over Pittsburgh and usc. Is it APB after both of those programs, when it comes to the college football, ain't nobody thinking about them. I do hate him today more than ever. And I got reason.

[G]

Preach.

[A]

I, I just realized and listening to that, outside of fine bomb, those other three guys don't actually care about college football.

Factory of Notre Dame. I can make fun of Notre Dame.

[C]

Colin Cowherd has personally turned me into the biggest Notre Dame apologists that you will find on this show. He clearly was told by someone to say strength of schedule. You should say stench of schedule and then messed it up and just had stink of schedule.

[G]

That was a banger.

[B]

Was better.

[G]

Yeah, that was a banger. Pablo, what do you know? What do you know?

[C]

It was very clearly a thing that was written a different way that then went to stink.

This is just.

[A]

Pablo is so right about this and you guys are so wrong that the, the, the rhythm of that, the poetry of it should. Strength of schedule. How about stench of schedule? If you just want to make it terrible, but if you want to make it another level of terrible, where all of you would go, that's a bar. Just go to lowest common denominator. Stink of schedule.

[B]

That made me laugh out loud more than stench.

[G]

Shout out to Mark. Slur.

[E]

What do you guys know about funny?

[A]

Think of schedule. No, we wouldn't know about.

No, it's not poetic at all. But he just dumbed it down for the sports radio audience and it kills. Think of schedule.

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[A]

Don Lebatard. But it's just his titties are sitting on the shelf. That is his belly. Stugats.

[F]

He said titties. It, like, shocked me a little bit. I wasn't quite prepared for cities.

[D]

This is the Don Levatar show with the stugats.

[A]

I really underestimated this.

[E]

This.

[A]

This. Is this happening to. Notre Dame is better than Alabama. There is no dynasty in college football like Notre Dame for this particular thing that like the idea that we have now gotten to. They've been wronged. We know this, but we get to laugh at them anyway.

[C]

Alabama had like. Alabama had, like, minus five rushing yards as a team, and everybody's just saying stink of schedule.

[D]

Daz, how were they wronged?

[A]

I don't understand.

[D]

How is Notre Dame wronged?

[G]

Go on.

[B]

What do you mean?

[D]

I mean, seriously, like, how were they wronged?

[A]

Alabama is not. Look, I can make the argument very easily, okay, that Notre Dame's better than James Madison, that I don't need to see Mississippi.

[B]

Did they win a conference championship?

[A]

Dan, I don't need to. Look. Tulane won a conference championship and lost 45 to 10 the last time they played to Mississippi. There's no one on earth that's going to convince me that Notre Dame's not better than Tulane. Tulane shouldn't be playing against the team they've already lost to 45 to 10.

[B]

I thought you were the one advocating for merit, Dan.

[A]

They have no chance of winning the championship. Zero. Notre Dame has a chance. Tulane has zero percent chance of winning the championship. They shouldn't be in this game. In the. In. They're not.

[C]

Zero.

[A]

They lost 4510 to Mississippi the last time they played.

[B]

How would Alabama do against Georgia? They have no chance either, Dan.

[A]

They shouldn't be in either. Like, if I'm Notre Dame, I'm pissed at. Five different teams are in here.

[C]

Notre Dame is so hated that the entire College Football Playoff committee has been bailed out. Like, everybody should be mad at them. And they were for, like, a second. And now clearly Notre Dame's the actual. Everyone's making fun of.

[A]

What were you trying to say there? I mean, I just.

[E]

I'm. Now I'm rooting for Tulane so hard for this Cinderella run so that your sound right there can be in the montage we do with two lane with it all.

[A]

They lost 45 to 10 to Mississippi. If I'm Notre Dame and I'm watching what is what James Madison, Tulane, like, what the I said yesterday, and I think I have this right. Miami playing against Texas A and M with both teams having a chance at the championship seems to me like a different sport than Mississippi playing against Tulane. Like, it might as well be a different bracket of. Of the playoffs because Mississippi and Tulane have so much less of a chance of winning the championship as either Miami and Texas A M. And the reason I point out those two teams is because Notre Dame's looking at that game and saying, we barely lost to both of those teams. That's the argument. But says. What's the argument you're making on behalf of Notre Dame?

[D]

I. I'm. I'm not making an argument on behalf of Notre Dame. Notre Dame for the last couple of weeks, you know, it's like a joke that Miami fans should be comparing themselves to Notre Dame, that Miami should be ranked ahead of them. And now look at you now. All right, you know, Notre Dame got.

[B]

Screwed just by them making this a TV product.

[G]

Yeah.

[D]

They put.

[B]

They put Miami ahead of them for weeks for no reason. So that is the one thing I think Notre Dame can legit.

[D]

And you know how unlikable you got to be. There's this athletic. You know, for this athletic director to go on all these channels and these stations and to say the things he's saying. If you believe. Most people believe Notre Dame got screwed, yet everybody now is bashing Notre Dame, you know, unlikable. You have to be for everyone to seemingly agree.

[A]

I don't agree.

[E]

But everyone.

[D]

For seemingly agree that you got screwed, yet they're dunking on you. I mean, it's Bevacua. I got. I'll tell you. I got a piece. There's a part of me that thinks he'd be fired.

[A]

What?

[D]

Yeah, that's right.

[G]

For what?

[D]

For Notre Dame. For Notre Dame to have gotten screwed in this scenario, yet everyone is dunking on Notre Dame because of this Bevaqua and him going all around the country saying the things he's saying.

[G]

Hold on, Zaz.

[D]

They look terrible.

[G]

Hold on.

[B]

The reason why I consider firing Bevacqua.

[G]

The reason why everybody's dunking on them is because they think they're better than.

[D]

Yeah, that's right.

[G]

And guess what?

[A]

They're not.

[G]

That's right where they are.

[E]

Home.

[D]

That's right.

[G]

Guess what? They didn't want to show up to the pop tart.

[D]

That's right.

[A]

Guess what. The echoes podcast, where you got the vocal. Put it back on the screen.

[D]

They look like they're out of bello Dan. There's a funeral going on in South Bend.

[A]

Look at that.

[E]

Oh.

[A]

Jessica's gonna be on the show.

With that Bavaqua.

[D]

Are we sure she's gonna be on?

[A]

What Zas is saying is both crazy and understandable. Okay. Fire is a ridiculous thing to say. Bavak was saying exactly what Notre Dame fans feel and I mean, this is what I wanted to ask you as somebody. Front offices, crisis management. I have legitimately been surprised that I believe that most of America, American sports fans would indeed make the argument on behalf of Notre dame with a nine game winning streak, being one of the 12 best teams in the country.

[E]

Yes.

[A]

But I don't have a lot of examples that I can give you of that being the case. Someone going out in public and advocating on behalf of the fan base and then having everyone turn on him because of the way he's doing it. So my question to you is, honestly, how do you do this if you're Bavaqua? Because this ain't the way. Even though I believe he's absolutely articulating what his fan base wants him to articulate, but he's doing it without an understanding of who and what he represents. That's going to make everyone turn on him because he's saying the correct things on behalf of the fan base and everyone's turning on him anyway. And I just don't know if there's a right way to do it. Is there?

[E]

Dan? I'll tell you a little story that's kind of like this. I remember when I was with the Suns, we were locked in this heated race for the eight seed in the Western Conference. It was us and the Nuggets and there was a late season game between us at Denver. And you know, whoever won this game had the season tiebreaker and was going to get that playoff spot in all likelihood. And Grant Hill has the ball and he drives and Dante Jones is dead to rights. So he just sticks out his leg and he straight up trips Grant Hill. Grant Hill falls, ball goes out of bounds, they call out of bounds off us, we lose the game. The NBA at that time had this call review system. So after the game, it was my job. I had to go into the system and I have to log the play. And what was the purpose of the log? Oh, it was uncalled foul. And then described the thing and we sent it in and we're like, all right, cool. And then we got the answer back from the NBA the next day. Like upon further review. Yeah, that should have been a foul call. You guys still lose the game. There are no free throws, Nothing.

[D]

Does it make you feel better?

[A]

It was.

[E]

It was. We're like, why do we do this then? This is such a waste of time. And that's what I think about when I look at Bavakwa as, as Zaz says, the idea he did this, you know, what did it Change anything. Did everyone say, you know what? On second thought, they should be in the playoffs? Yeah, yeah, let's change it out. No. No one says anything. At best, everyone's like, oh, that's a shame. At worst, it's what's happening right now. You made all the public opinion turn against you. Loser behavior.

[D]

Well, and also, like, you're saying, okay, he's. He's going out there, and he's the mouthpiece for the Notre Dame fan and everything the Notre Dame fan wants to say, Dan, you can't convince me that Notre Dame fans are saying, oh, my God, Bavaqua better get in front of a camera and crush the acc. It's an insane complaint about what the ACC did to Notre Dame.

[C]

So hold on. The least mysterious part of this whole story is why they're doing this and why he's doing it. The only thing that people. We live in an era where the only thing we care about is being right. It doesn't matter whether you get the justice you think you are. You are warranted. It is the fact that you get to say out loud, I'm right and you're wrong. And Notre Dame is perpetually, I think, trying to tell everybody. And again, I think they're. They're right about this. We got hosed. We got hosed. And everyone's just laughing at them because they just. They just hate them. That's what's happening.

[A]

Pablo.

[E]

The problem is, typically when someone behaves in this way, we say they're acting holier than thou. The problem is, in Notre Dame's case, they actually think they're holier than thou. That. That's the added context to all of this complaining.

[A]

It's great.

[C]

That's what I just said. You hate him.

[B]

You hate.

[C]

You hate Notre Dame. That's what that is.

[A]

It is so great, though, to have the endless cycle of content that comes from. We don't like Notre Dame because they think they're better than us. Wait a minute. Notre Dame thinks it now has a chance to remind us they are indeed better than you and you and you and all these other teams that are in the. The postseason. I want to ask, though, Amin, because I felt. I'm not used to feeling your frailty, but I felt like you didn't have the confidence to say Bavakwa as well as Zaz said bavakwa. So I'd like to have a Bavaqua off, because I do that. The way that Zaz has dismissed. Dismissed Baqua is. Is more of a song than I'VE heard it's sung by anyone else in the media so far. So let's have a baqua off, shall we?

[E]

Got it. Zaz, you go first.

[D]

Baka.

[G]

Oh, I see.

[A]

Well, see, that's terrible. But not as terrible as what you did before when you just lacked confidence. Try it again.

No, not that. No.

[C]

Sing.

[B]

I call him bvg. That's gonna be best musical.

[D]

No.

[A]

The answer to your question, Pablo Kenamine Singh. I believe Roy has answered it. Kenamine. Sing.

[E]

Held that note, though.

[F]

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[C]

I swear.

[A]

Don lebatard Pablo leads all of podcasting in reading while smiling.

[G]

If you listen to ESPN Daily, he.

[B]

Sounds like he's having the time of his life.

[A]

Stugats coming up next.

[D]

I'm going to tell you the Savannah Bananas are changing.

[B]

How do you know?

[D]

How do you know I'm smiling?

[F]

That's how I found my vocal range. Sometimes I just say, savannah Bananas.

[A]

Savannah Bananas.

[D]

This is the Dan Levatar show with the Stugach.

[A]

You guys don't think that there's another program in the history of programs that would create exactly this, right? I'm talking perfect.

[C]

I'm talking about perfect.

[A]

All right, so do it throughout sports. Don't Even make it college. Just give me, give me the program that gives off self righteous. That would create the, the swirl of content.

[C]

The Yankees protested the wild card.

[D]

No, Tony's got the one.

[G]

Duke basketball.

[D]

Tony's got the winner, Duke basketball.

[G]

They think they're better than us. Guess what?

[D]

That's the winner.

[F]

They might be.

[A]

Yeah. See that's the thing though, when you say Duke basketball, the reason it's a better choice is because Duke has made us eat it recently. Notre Dame has not made us eat it recently like you have. Notre Dame's success is fosh, fossilized and cobwebbed. They have played four championships recently, but been blown out. Pablo, off the top of your head, do you remember the last football championship that Notre Dame won?

[C]

I mean, I grew up in the 90s, so vaguely so Lou Holtz winning.

[A]

One is him summoning what was their generational past. But they're. That Duke has won recently, The Yankees have won recently, but people have enjoyed the last whatever years it's been of the Yankees not winning.

[C]

But there is, but there's something key to this, in fairness, right to the argument, which is they are objecting to the rules, they're objecting to the system. And so when I'm reading Brett, your mark, who's the commissioner of the Big 12, say, and this is his quote, Pete Bavaqua is totally out of bounds in his approach. And if he was in the room, I tell him the same thing. You have to accept it. We all sign up for it. He's saying, we all agreed to this system. You are not bigger than this system. And meanwhile, Pete Bavaqua is saying very conspicuously, the only power for conference commissioner he's spoken to since Sunday is the SEC's Greg Sankey, which is now the next phase of the stages of grief, which is I'm now going to get with the hottest girl I can to prove how attractive I am. And that's, that's why he's saying that too.

[A]

I mean, yeah, okay, so first of.

[E]

All, there's still your marks running around. Oh my God, we got rid of all those guys.

[C]

Multiple, multiple, your marks.

[A]

And doing a good job running that conference and getting the private equity money because he's running, he's running circles around all these idiot ads who aren't as good at their job as that guy is as a snake oil salesman.

[E]

So the other part, I'm sorry, Dan.

Send me the penalty box.

[G]

I'm going to write that one down.

[E]

Some pregnant clauses as I'm walking away, as I'm going to the penalty box. Let me just say Danny B. Was talking in my ear.

[A]

No. Oh, wow. Lack of accountability. Pablo just said they they think that they're bigger than the system. Yeah, they do. Yes, they do. They're an independent. They've got a contract clause that allows them to guarantee themselves their way into the championship next year if they're in the top 12. A contract clause, I'm assuming no other school has other than the one that's independent and not bound by conference teamwork. They are bigger than everyone they think, but they haven't been for 30 years as a championship entity.

[C]

But that's the conflict, right? Brett Yormark is good at his job because this is business. Notre Dame is good at being a program because it's business. And now they're reckoning with what it is when business and success are not the same thing.

[A]

I can't honestly think of an example. You guys are mentioning Yankees and Duke and yes, many people would enjoy their downfall. I have watched over the last few years people rooting against Floyd Mayweather, fluting, rooting against Alabama football, rooting against Jake Paul. Like you're where you're hate watching, you're tuning into hate watch. I just Dodgers, I, I, yeah, they're gonna become that. If they aren't that already, Dodgers would be the modern equivalent. But that's from winning too much.

[C]

Chiefs are getting a little bit of this this season.

[A]

Yeah, because, but that I was gonna say, I was gonna say the opposite.

[B]

I feel like nobody hates the Chiefs. I feel like they're like they're winning in the NFL.

[A]

But people don't feel that swift effect the excellence though. What's funny about what you guys are saying is all of those are teams or places that you have rooted for to lose because they championships recently or won too many of the championships recently. There are generations listening to this plural that can't remember the last time Notre Dame won a championship. For them to be behaving like they're better than the system when we all agree that the system stinks creates the unbelievable scenario where they are right to feel wronged. And we have turned from complaining about the system to laughing at the people by the system.

[C]

It's rare to have the variable isolated. So clearly everybody hates the College Football Playoff committee. We all agreed upon that. And the thing we all are saying is we hate Notre Dame more. So let's just talk about that.

[A]

It would have happened. You guys do realize that we were denied the scenario of all of this in America being directed at Just Mike Ryan. All of this because Miami. People would have enjoyed this happening to Miami and then Miami complaining exactly this way.

[C]

Because my Mike Ryan would have stormed. He would have stormed that hotel.

[A]

Yes, it would have been. He would have stormed the Capitol. That's right. That. What was that? Grapevine Texas was the name of the city that he flew a plane over. Mike Ryan would have been dressed as a Sherpa walking around with a, um, Qanon shaman.

[C]

You Anon shaman.

[A]

You got. You guys do realize, right, that we almost got all of America feeling this way about just Mike Ryan because Miami would have gotten this same thing for complaining about this based on just being obnoxious. Miami, we were all rooting for that.

[B]

For content purposes, right? Like, when you saw Alabama get nine, you're just like, please, I'm rooting for Miami.

[A]

But we're discuss.

[B]

Dude, I was like, I wanted Miami to bubble. Just for the content. No, just for the content.

[D]

Why would you do this, man?

[B]

It was great.

[A]

Do me a favor, please, of putting in the picture and picture that Notre Dame podcast so that I can just see over the reaction. Well, that, too. You. You could put them both up there if you want, because Mike Ryan was very close to being that Notre Dame podcast, to being everything that's happening to Notre Dame. I wanted to segue, though, here for a second while Amin and Zaz are watching what's going on with the Heat. I believe the disaster scenario has arrived for Tyler Hero. That ti. I believe that Tyler Hero is going to end up being traded. I don't believe that the last five or six games, just the Miami Heat have missed their three pointers in these five or six games. The worst possible things as has happened to Tyler Hero, which is in the last six games, five of them have been lost by the Heat. And worse than that, all of the fun, not the winning. All of the fun of, hey, we score 140 points a game, disappeared as soon as he reappeared, and all you have in front of you now is a fan base that fell in love with Norman Powell is blaming Tyler Herron for coming back and mucking it all up. I really honestly don't know how this could have gone worse optically, for what Tyler Hero wants to accomplish in returning.

[E]

Yeah, but.

[D]

But it's not. It's not as if, okay, you know, Tyler's back and Norman Powell isn't getting the shots, and Norm Powell is not scoring. Like, Norman Powell still is getting the shots and still is scoring. But, yes, the optics are terrible. We know Tyler Hero is terrible. Defensively, and they have not been as good defensively over this stretch here, where they've lost 5 out of 6 and most importantly, they've lost 5 out of 6 AND they're not scoring the way that they were before.

[G]

So, Dan, also, if you, if you look at they had a run and gun offense, they were looking very good in the beginning of the season, but.

[B]

It feels like it was a bit.

[G]

Of a mirage scoring all these points early on with a lot of people still trying to get things together, adding in another piece. And it's like this. This team was, I think Zach Lowe said on his podcast yesterday or a couple days ago, they're like 13th or 14th in offense, even though they're scoring so much.

[E]

That's. I told you guys that when they were scoring all those points, instead of them, everyone's like, oh, my God, this is the best offense in the league. I'm like, not really.

[D]

But they were great defensively.

[E]

They were great defensively. That was, that was fact. But the offense was always slightly above average. And so what's happened is a couple of things. Number one is that doesn't really carry you. As we've talked about last few years, at some point you need someone who.

[D]

Can just score and they're not hitting threes anymore.

[E]

Number two, and this is more important, Norm Powell talked about this. The league scouting report has caught up and said, okay, we're not going to let them just run every possession. We're going to slow the game down, we're going to ugly it up. Orlando did a great job of that last night, and now that offense doesn't have as many opportunities to put up those gaudy point totals. But, Zaz, you're right, it is the defense. Last night, I'm watching Desmond Bain do whatever the hell he wanted and they never adjusted. They never, they never came up in and. And like greeted that attack. They just let him keep getting to the rim over and over again and hitting threes. And, and he had his way. And this is a guy who's been having an awful season.

[D]

I, I knew, I knew that he were going to lose last night. I knew they were gonna lose that game.

[A]

Again with this.

[E]

Well, what.

[A]

Again with this.

[H]

You're.

[A]

You're a visionary after the fact. You never tell anybody beforehand, but you tell them after. Jeremy, do you have something for us here? Because you. If, If Wagner's not gonna play. Okay. And a bad three point shooting team because Orlando's been that with Bane or that for two years, they're terrible at that But Orlando and Detroit last year were a good deal better than Miami. Indiana as well. I expect that Miami will have trouble winning road games all year. And I believe before the season Orlando and Detroit are better, and I believe they're still better. You're seeing what though, Jeremy, after six games of the Heat, have missed an awful lot of threes, like threes that are not contested threes that they've been making all season.

[B]

Yeah, they got a bunch of open looks yesterday that they just didn't hit. And that's really where the role, the role players have kind of come back down to earth. Right.

[D]

Some going to make a shot this year.

[B]

Well, we were like, you know, losing our minds over that. He's come back down to earth and, and particularly the benches.

[D]

How about Yic? He never even plays.

[G]

Where is that guy?

[D]

15 million a year. He can't even. Can't the bench.

[B]

They've played poorly on the road, in particular that bench. And, and when you can't get out and running because you can't get a stop, that's where the bench struggles. And Jaime Hawkez Jr. Not the same half court player as he is in the open court when he's running that second unit. So. So this is where having the next six days before they play their next game is going to be a benefit to Eric Spoelstra and that he can try to figure out, okay, what combination of guys do I need with this bench? How do I get Khalil Ware engaged when he's coming off the bench? Because you're not blaming Tyler for any of this though. Like, this all not blaming Tyler. I'm saying everybody has. Has been doing a poor job offensively recently. But I also think it's not A plus B equals C with Tyler Hero. Like, they happen to also just be playing poorly on the defensive end all the way around. They happen to look, their starting lineup has still been really good. Like when you have Tyler Norman, by the way, these are guys who have played well together. They've played four games with Norman Powell and Tyler Hero.

[E]

Let's not, let's not completely whitewash all this. Tyler Hero down the stretch was horrible.

[B]

He was awful last night in the final six.

[E]

And it's. And to me it's like it's what he's been in the league six, seven years. Don't do it. Don't do it, Zaz. I know you want to do it. Don't do it. He's been in the league around seven years. And it's the same fourth quarter of like as things are going wrong, his decision making is always ah, I gotta save it with this horrible shot. And I'm like what are you doing? What are you doing? I'm not as mad at the wide open shots that he misses. Like that late one that's like oh.

[D]

Everything was the one would have brought it to four when they forced two.

[E]

Turnovers and it was that momentum that was exciting. It felt good.

[B]

He was too open. There is such a thing.

[E]

I'm mad at the one that he.

[B]

Took before that was like six and a half minutes.

[A]

What are you doing?

[B]

There were back to back possessions there where he took contested threes and they were inching their way back into the game. Now part of that is that they're, they're trying to take shots six seconds in and that's what they've all been taught. I mean you can even look earlier in the game there were three straight possessions where Fontechio took a shot with 19 seconds left on the, on the shot clock and he wasn't in risk them watching these guys try to figure out how to counter the counter from these defenses that are now pushing up past the three point line. It, it, it's an adjustment for them and, and their bench has really, really struggled because now you have a disjointed unit where you don't have Jovic playing. You have Hawkez running everything. You have Pella Larson in particular who really has fit better with the starting. This is going to be up to, to Eric Spolster to figure out what combinations now work as you probably, you know, shrink the rotation.

[D]

I think about what you just said though as well, Jeremy, like the bench, the bench has been struggling so much and you're right about that. And Jovic who they just gave $45 million to SPO doesn't even look down there and say hey Nico, you're in. Not once.

[A]

On the poll place at lebatard show is Fontechio going to make a shot. I don't feel good about that. As analysis. 25 games in that the nation isn't going to laugh at. When it comes to Heat basketball is funtech. You're going to make a sh. Also put it on the poll. He's too open. That's a thing. Yes or no? It is a thing.

[G]

He's right about that.

[A]

Chris, Chris Cody said that as if like it was a walk off. He's too open. Where the things that are happening with the Heat. I mean and this requires I believe some of your expertise on what Bill Simmons calls the Ewing theory, right? The. The better player goes out, Patrick Ewing goes out, and for a while, the Knicks play a little bit better. The thing that's not disputable, I mean, we can talk about all of their pace, but the Heat are a mediocre offense that plays fast, but their efficiencies have been 13, 14, 15 all season. What they've been is the top three defense in the league. And you lose defense when you add Hero. That's empirically so.

[E]

Dan. The problem is, again, this isn't fantasy basketball or. Or a simulation or 2K. In a perfect world. Yes. Yeah, I would break up some of these people. I would not have some of these combinations playing, particularly in the starting lineup. The problem is, how do you tell Tyler Hero? I think he might be better off playing with a bench unit?

[A]

This is the way that you tell. The way you say it to him is, hey, Khalil Ware's not going to play 12 minutes a night on this team.

[C]

You didn't have a strength of schedule.

[A]

You had a stink of schedule.

[E]

I can't believe you guys sat on that.