Local Hour: The Burning Building (feat. Paul)

Summary

The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz

Local Hour: The Burning Building (feat. Paul)

Date: October 21, 2025
Location: Elser Hotel, Downtown Miami

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Overview:

This chaotic, rapid-fire "Local Hour" episode dives into the unraveling of the Miami Dolphins franchise, dissecting leadership failures, management disasters, and existential crises surrounding the team. Dan Le Batard, Stugotz, John Zaslow (Zaslow), Mike Ryan, Chris Cody, Tony, Greg, and Hollywood blend their signature sarcasm and South Florida flair to unpack sports, culture, and drama—while taking wild detours through thrift store fashion, leadership metaphors, and the value of human organs on the black market. Longtime radio rivalries, intergenerational bickering, and deep Miami sports fan pain provide the backdrop.

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Major Discussion Points

1. Punishments, Cowboy Hats, and Thrift Store Fashion

[01:37-04:10]

• The episode opens in classic Le Batard fashion: a comedic dispute over an on-air “punishment”—Mike Ryan wearing a cowboy hat and “vintage” (not thrift) jeans after he lost a bet.
• Dan jokes about suffering to pull off the “Dentec punishment,” highlighting how impractical cowboy hats are for headphones.
• Chris Cody, Tony, and the others rib him over the dubious authenticity of his cowboy attire, with Dan defending:

  "It seems like you guys are just jealous because I’m handsome." – Dan [03:36]

• The segment is equal parts performative and meta, poking fun at how their show invents and softens even its own punishments.

2. Miami Dolphins: “Burning Building” Leadership Crisis

[04:33-12:14]

• Zaslow introduces the “burning building” metaphor for the Dolphins, triggered by Tua Tagovailoa’s botched leadership and a disastrous press conference:

  "I’ve got TUA out in front…giving press conferences in front of a burning building and this is as high as the flames can climb on a franchise." – Zaslow [04:33]

• He argues Tua’s overcorrection in the press—accepting total blame after previously finger-pointing—has lost him the locker room’s trust.
• Dan and Mike Ryan agree: the franchise is leaderless, rudderless, with “everyone about to be swept out to sea…getting demotions on what were their careers.”

  "It’s tethered to nothing. They’re all being swept out to sea." – Dan [10:33]

• The panel points out the absence of a true leader after Tyreek Hill’s departure and Tua’s self-preservation.

3. Ownership and the Decaying Franchise

[12:14-16:19]

• Sharp, direct criticism of Dolphins owner Stephen Ross:

  "Makes a lot of money, but is a loser. Loser makes a good Stadium. Brings F1 down here. But is a professional sports loser." – Zaslow [11:46]

• They compare the Dolphins’ chronic dysfunction to other perennial NFL failures, arguing that Ross’ legacy is marred by 25 years of futility—despite outspending other owners.
• Ownership foibles—failed leadership, retention of unsuccessful front office staff—are dissected, with Mike Ryan noting Ross is “not a deadbeat owner,” but one who just can’t seem to build a winning team.

4. The Fate of Jalen Waddle and the Dolphins’ Core

[20:02-23:56]

• Mike Ryan is “surprised they’re not taking calls on Jaylen Waddle,” arguing his contract now looks bad for a non-#1 receiver.
• Hilarious confusion ensues regarding “Paul,” with Chris Cody passionately defending the (largely anonymous) left tackle as a core piece of the team’s future.
• Zaslow points out the absurdity that, after all is said and done, the Dolphins’ key keepers are “Paul, H.N., and Waddle”—the franchise is left with scraps.

  "Paul, H.N. and Waddle…one of the three they have on a roster of 50 more." – Zaslow [21:54]

5. Chris Greer, Lawsuits, and Reckless Speculation

[25:47-28:23]

• The looming presence of Brian Flores' discrimination lawsuit over coach firings and its potential impact on current GM Chris Greer’s job security.
• Dan and Zaslow caution against reckless speculation:

  "You can’t just throw…time to throw away the journalistic credibility and get reckless. Here is something we like to call reckless speculation." – Zaslow [26:08]

• The discussion suggests Ross might hesitate to fire Greer for fear of legal and reputational backlash, particularly after the Flores situation.

6. The Owner’s Existential Crisis

[28:23-40:42]

• Spiraling into the existential, the panel wonders whether Ross is haunted by his failure—even with “all the money in the world,” he can’t buy public respect or a winning franchise.

• "At the end…all the money in the world...he would pay any amount of money, any amount of money to not have it be this at the end of his life." – Zaslow [36:28]

• A playful but dark tangent about how many human hearts Ross could buy with his net worth (“34,000,” calculates Tony) [38:10].
• Dan argues Ross is not a villain but an owner who genuinely cares, just cursed by persistent bad results (“He just hasn’t made the right hires. That’s the business.” – Dan [39:25]).

7. Miami Sports: Comparative Misery and Ownership Debates

[40:42-43:56]

• The crew ranks Dolphins owner Ross against Marlins owner Bruce Sherman, with some arguing Sherman’s underfunded but surprisingly successful Marlins have bested the better-funded Dolphins.
• Zaslow sums up the pain:

  “Marlins have won two championships…with no payroll, and a pandemic season. They’ve made the playoffs twice…that’s harder to do than it is for the Dolphins to win a playoff game.” [43:03]

8. College Football Coaching Carousel: Florida Fires Billy Napier

[43:49-46:59]

• Mike Ryan reports Florida’s firing of head coach Billy Napier sets off a seismic shift in the state’s football power structure. The school seeks a “standard setter.”
• Dan notes Florida’s “war chest” and the targeting of Marcus Freeman (Notre Dame) and Lane Kiffin, revealing back-channel interest in both.
• Zaslow insists:

  "Florida getting rid of its head coach as a standard setter in the middle of a season…Gainesville, they’ve just told you what the standard is. It’s higher than it is at most places." [44:47]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Dolphins Dysfunction:

  "It can’t be led. What I’m telling you is it can’t be led." – Zaslow [12:36]

• On Franchise Failure:

  "This has been an epic run of failure. That makes the Dolphins in these 25 years undisputedly...a quarter century of failure." – Zaslow [34:45]

• On Owner’s Reputation:

  "You can win the game of money the way Jerry Jones has…but have really 25 years of epic failure." – Zaslow [34:45]

• On Marlins vs Dolphins:

  "Marlins have won two championships and with no payroll. It’s ridiculous, but it’s harder to do than…it is for the Dolphins to win a playoff game." – Zaslow [43:03]

• On Human Hearts:

  "You know how many human hearts Stephen Ross could buy? 34,000 because he has $17 billion." – Tony [38:10]

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Key Timestamps

• 01:37-04:10 – Cowboy hat punishment, thrift shop jeans debate
• 04:33-12:14 – “Burning building” leadership metaphor; Tua’s press conference and lost locker room
• 12:14-16:19 – Stephen Ross and decades of Dolphins futility
• 20:02-23:56 – Jalen Waddle’s trade value, “Paul” the left tackle confusion
• 25:47-28:23 – Chris Greer, Flores lawsuit, and reckless speculation
• 28:23-40:42 – Owner existential crisis, value of human hearts, what money can and can’t buy
• 40:42-43:56 – Marlins/Dolphins ownership comparison
• 43:49-46:59 – Florida Gators coaching search, Marcus Freeman and Lane Kiffin rumors

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Tone and Originality

• Fast-paced, irreverent, argumentative, and deeply local—just what listeners expect from Le Batard & crew.
• Mixture of legitimate sports reporting, wild speculation, inside jokes, and cathartic misery for Miami sports fans.
• Frequent callbacks to local personalities (“Big Dog” Joe Rose), Miami-centric references, and playful jabs at each other’s competence and fandom.

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This episode is a cathartic, often comedic therapy session for long-suffering Dolphins fans—full of schadenfreude, speculation, and a sense that only Le Batard and his oddball ensemble can channel Miami’s unique sports pain and ridiculousness.

Transcript

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[Chris Cody]

You know, supposedly Mike is paying a punishment right now.

[Dan Le Batard]

All right, I'm gonna cut you off.

[Chris Cody]

He just looks cool.

[Dan Le Batard]

No, I'm gonna cut you off. Cause I feel the animosity because I'm able to pull off this Dentec punishment.

[Chris Cody]

Supposed to be a cowboy.

[Dan Le Batard]

Okay. Like you were crawling through the desert having called Dan dlb.

[Tony]

But that's also not a cowboy hat. Like, that's.

[Chris Cody]

That's a hat.

[Tony]

Someone from the Lumineers would wear that.

[Dan Le Batard]

Well, that actually cuts me to my core and hurts more than the actual punishment. But I think you look cool.

[Chris Cody]

Those nicknames were hard to pull off.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah, I'm sure. I mean, what are we doing? Roy brought Greg, like two waters. We call that a punishment.

[Greg]

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. It's two waters, two coffees, an ice pack, and an ottoman.

[Dan Le Batard]

Okay. All right. Yeah. No, I like that. You real suffrage.

[Chris Cody]

I will say the I did. The way you're holding the headphones, that does.

[Dan Le Batard]

This is a true punishment. This is, you know, how the last punishment was like, wow, that's a really cool, like, pfizer racing shirt. But you guys didn't have to shop for jeans at a thrift shop. That's its own unique hell. And here having to wear a cowboy hat. They haven't made functional headphones for a cowboy hat.

[Tony]

This is not a cowboy hat.

[Dan Le Batard]

This is a. Well, I can't put my headphones over it. Oh, wait. No, we're good. Oh, yeah. This is easy.

[Hollywood]

You know whose fault this is, right?

[Dan Le Batard]

The Dallas cowboys UD you donis haslam.

[Hollywood]

I mean, from all I've heard of. Oh, he's the enforcer. He's gonna come in and make people do the things that he like. What's Mike doing? He wore this shirt in Mexico with me. This is not a punishment.

[Dan Le Batard]

I do love this shirt, and I love this hat, and I do look good.

[Tony]

I should have known better than when Mike said, oh, no, I've got a cowboy outfit that I can wear.

[Dan Le Batard]

Sweet.

[John Zaslow]

What is your punishment? What is it?

[Dan Le Batard]

I had to wear the mascot costume of a team that lost for me at the dentech bucket and I had the cowboys.

[Mike Ryan]

That's you as a cowboy?

[John Zaslow]

Yeah, I'm a cowboy, and it's a cowboy. It's not just a cowboy, but it's a dream.

[Dan Le Batard]

What are you Dr. Dress as a household.

[John Zaslow]

A cowboy that Jeremy thinks is cool. And. And Chris is saying should be your new look. That all you've done is dress how you would normally dress and put on a. On a hat and a hat that's not quite a cowboy's hat. It's not quite a cowboy hat.

[Tony]

It's not a cowboy hat.

[Dan Le Batard]

It seems like you guys are just jealous because I'm handsome. Well, yeah. Well noted.

[John Zaslow]

Tell me about shopping. Tell me about shopping for the thrift shop for jeans. Tell me about that.

[Hollywood]

He went to a store that was the best thrift store in Miami and shop for jeans that were probably like 100.

[Dan Le Batard]

And I don't even know if you.

[Tony]

Can call it a thrift store. It's more of just a cool, vintage shop.

[John Zaslow]

Vintage. It's vintage. Those. Those are not synonyms. That's. That's you stealing from metal again.

[Dan Le Batard]

It's you Donna's fault. That is going to be taught two lessons. That is today's show because I look really cool. And on the magic city fronton when our cyclones beat his renegades once again.

[Chris Cody]

Down year for the gates.

[John Zaslow]

I'm going to need you guys his help on all of this because you donis is asking too Much money to be an enforcer.

[Dan Le Batard]

You are a bad negotiator. This is a terrible negotiator. You told the audience he was joining us, he assigned a job, and now you're saying he's asking for too much money. Just bad negotiation.

[Tony]

This is like the Charlie Sheen doc all over again.

[John Zaslow]

This is the Don Levator show with the Stugats podcast. Zaslow, I've got a burning building here with the Miami Dolphins, and I've got TUA out in front. Front and press conference have to be given when you're out in front of a burning building and this is as high as the flames can climb on a franchise. And it. What it made me do is do something in the realm of journalistic. And I'm going to just say that I haven't done this in a few years, but I made some calls. Oh, oh, yeah.

[Dan Le Batard]

The emeritus now. Now.

[Mike Ryan]

Yeah. Is this like. Did you feel pressure yesterday?

[John Zaslow]

Well, here's the thing. Mike Ryan is old enough to know. I want to know. I want to know what I made some calls means when Mike Ryan has happens to know. And what is the highest form of journalistic intelligence we have around here, when we're just saying, hey, wink, wink, trust us on this. We've got journalistic sources here.

[Dan Le Batard]

When Herald columnist emeritus says he's made some calls, that's higher on the totem pole. Even though historically the more important things go at the bottom of the totem poll. That is. But people are dumb. That is higher on the totem pole than I happen to know.

[Mike Ryan]

That doesn't make sense. Like, no one would ever say, I'm really low on the totem pole to say how important they are. I got to. I got to push back on that.

[Chris Cody]

You happen to know after the phone call. Just saying you made the phone call, you might not have found out anything.

[Dan Le Batard]

Well, we can compare notes because you made a couple of phone calls. And when it comes to the University of Florida, I happen to know.

[Greg]

Whoa.

[John Zaslow]

Okay. So we've got competing.

[Chris Cody]

He happens to know.

[John Zaslow]

Great Scott.

[Chris Cody]

He happens to know.

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[Chris Cody]

Gather everyone.

[John Zaslow]

Get the children.

[Chris Cody]

He happens to know. So wise.

[John Zaslow]

I mean, Mike. Mike's got some credentials here, Zaz, in that when Mike's reporting things, whether it's Messi to Miami beating everyone around the globe as an insider, or from the insides of the business of football where you're seeing, hey, James Franklin, $50 million. No, this is where we play. Now everyone's playing Phil Knight, and it takes $20 million to get in the game. And so I want to talk about what's happening in two places here. One with Tua as a building burns and everyone tries to get out. And how do you imagine, just even. Even if I didn't make these calls, how do you imagine it would be to be TUA when everything around your franchise is. Everyone's about to be swept out to sea here, and Tua, you're going to end up in the backup lane as bad contract guy like. And it's everyone for themselves. And the moment demands real leadership. But how do you lead when you're giving a press conference in front of a burning building? And what you guys thought was gibberish yesterday in the press conference after the game where he's saying, no, no, no, no, no, it's on me. It's on me. It's on me.

[Mike Ryan]

He's talking about multitasking. What are we talking about?

[John Zaslow]

No, this was a huge overcorrection from somebody who's giving press conferences in front of a burning building. And the mistake that he made is, hey, I won the Chargers game. Not my fault. I won the Chargers game. Everyone else's fault. They don't show up to meetings. That's why we didn't make two tackle. That's why Jalen Phillips didn't make that tackle.

[Dan Le Batard]

Now, all right, you get five burning buildings in the first segment. This is Puka's open hands.

[John Zaslow]

Okay, I'll stop here. I'm just telling you that what's happened to that has real human cost on leadership, whether you're risking your brain being scrambled or talking to your family about, should I play or should I quit for the 250 million, should I risk this? And yesterday we're talking about, well, is it gibberish? Because his brain is concussed. Okay, what happened in that press conference is that to a wildly overcorrected. Because he realized the error and the mistake in throwing out into the public in front of everybody. This is everyone else's fault and not mine. In a room full of employees who come to the same meetings he does every day, and their bodies hurt just as much as he does. And they're in the burning building, too. That's the last one.

[Chris Cody]

I doubt that.

[John Zaslow]

To a loss. To a lost his guys and they.

[Mike Ryan]

Don'T have the contract and they don't. What's the word I'm looking for? The contract and the.

[John Zaslow]

The signing bonus. The guarantees.

[Mike Ryan]

Yes, yes, the guarantees. Essentially, that.

[John Zaslow]

Certainties. Is that where you got.

[Hollywood]

I said certainties.

[John Zaslow]

The point is, the money's about to dry up, and everyone's going to be swept out to sea. And two was sitting there on the life draft raft saying, it's not my fault, and he lost everybody. He. That's not leaders.

[Dan Le Batard]

No, But. But he. But now he's saying it's totally his fault.

[John Zaslow]

But.

[Dan Le Batard]

But it's a mess. It's a mess. And I will say, like, we've done this show several times over the decades where it's like, I'm not sure that the flames can reach much higher on this franchise. They move buildings. But if you went to the one in Davey, you'd see the. The torched embers of Bullygate. You know, like, it happens a lot to bad franchises for the point.

[Hollywood]

And with the fun we made about Tyreek Hill being the leader of the team, all of a sudden, now you move Tyreek Hill out of that locker room, and everybody's looking around saying, all right, so who is the leader of the team? Tua, Is it you?

[Dan Le Batard]

And he's like, no, but, guys.

[John Zaslow]

No, but, guys. Let's. Let's really deconstruct. This is amazing to watch. Like, the architecture of this. Before the season started. Before the season started, you've got two players on the Dolphins and only two who are stars, national stars. It's Tua and Tyreek Hill. This is what Tyreek Hill came down here for. He quit on last season. At the very end, the pressure of all that was too much for him. He's whimpering on his way out the door. And so this season starts with Tua saying, well, my guy's gonna have to rebuild some trust. And we said, look at Tua being a leader, all right? It's a little easier to do when you got the guaranteed money, and it's also very hard for you to do when you're risking your brain in a way that others aren't, because you care as well. But now the noise starts. The Zaslows are firing your coach every week. Everything is pulsating in the city, and Greg Cody is a month late to the opinion these guys all suck. No one can lead them. And the truth is, of course no one can lead them. Who the hell could? At this point? It's tethered to nothing. They're all being swept out to sea, getting demotions on what were their careers. Everybody. Everybody at the top of the franchise, like, there is no one to salvage them. There's no future hope. Pick who would be Jaylen Waddle. But I want to talk to you guys about the specifics of. He walks back into the room without knowing that he's broken it. He walks back in after that Chargers game. Wasn't me. Wasn't me. I saved us at the end, like Zaz. Like that's how that shit climbs. And it just engulfed him. Tua will have a hard time bringing the career back from the ashes of this punctuation.

[Mike Ryan]

Is that what he's talking about? Where? In the nonsense post game press conference where he's talking about, I'm trying to bring guys with me and like that. When you put it that way, it sounds like a guy who is trying to get people to come with him, but he's having a hard time.

[John Zaslow]

The Miami Dolphins are a giant business in the middle of our city, and it makes money for a lot of people. These guys are the stars locally. They haven't deserved it. The franchise hasn't earned it the last 25 years. They're a laughing stock generation after generation. The only thing that's the same always is the owner. Except he desecrated everything that Joe, Robbie and Huizenga did before him. Like that's his great shame at the end of his life. Makes a lot of money, but is a loser. Loser makes a good Stadium. Brings F1 down here. But is a professional sports loser.

[Mike Ryan]

Never hire the right.

[John Zaslow]

Can make money but not wins.

[Dan Le Batard]

Hell of a. Hell of a stadium. I mean that franchise.

[Mike Ryan]

Good game to experience.

[Dan Le Batard]

Oh, it's a great stadium. No venue in the world like it.

[John Zaslow]

Playing the conga now on third downs. Yeah, well, for, um, games, it's a problem. Yeah.

[Mike Ryan]

How could two of them be so bad at the leadership aspect of this? Daniel, it's not in his second year.

[John Zaslow]

It can't be led. He said his sixth year. What I'm telling you is it can't be led. Look, Mike is old enough to know. This is why I was laughing about the making of calls. It used to Adam.

[Chris Cody]

Old enough to know he's old enough.

[Dan Le Batard]

To know he's great.

[Greg]

He's old.

[Dan Le Batard]

Oh, my God, he's old.

[Mike Ryan]

How do you introduce yourself on the call? Old do you say? Is this columnist. This columnist.

[John Zaslow]

I blow the cobwebs off a landline.

[Tony]

Is that why he's wearing that hat?

[Dan Le Batard]

You better be going somewhere after 40, pal. I need you to explain this one to me real quick.

[John Zaslow]

He's. He's old enough to know Adam Gase came over to the Clevelander at one time when coaches to come kiss the media ring of how information gets brokered to protect your jobs.

[Dan Le Batard]

It's an Adam Gase reference. We're good.

[John Zaslow]

The. The Dolphins don't have a thing other than. Than Hill and Tua and McDaniel. That's their face to the league.

[Dan Le Batard]

Right? But look, I don't know if it's a leadership problem that's plagued this franchise since the turn of the century, but they had Bill Parcells and Nick Saban at the helm. Those guys reputed to be really good leaders. Sometimes it's the dudes on the field.

[John Zaslow]

Okay, but it could also be as simple as Saban would still be the coach here over all of these years, and we wouldn't have had any of these bozos because he selected Drew Brees and made Drew Brees what? Sean made Drew Brees and never left Miami for Alabama. He loved it so much here. That was a doctor's decision that kept saving from loving Miami because instead of 6 and 8 or 6 and 10, he was going to be able to be 10 and 6 every year.

[Dan Le Batard]

Nick Saban's greatness is so understood and universally accepted that people think that he could do with Drew Brees, which Sean Payton did. And Sean Payton has proven that he's really good at working with quarterbacks. Who's to say? Like when we say that maybe Dante Culpepper has a Hall of Fame career if he ends up being the guy.

[Mike Ryan]

I was all in. I loved him. I was wrong.

[John Zaslow]

Do we have this right? When LaShawn McCoy says on his podcast of Tua he stinks? When they paid him.

[Mike Ryan]

Oh, there's more. Okay, sorry.

[John Zaslow]

When they paid him, I couldn't believe it. Why are they paying him? What are they paying him for? The gigs up, bro. Tua has 22 interceptions in his first 30 games under McDaniel, but has thrown 18 picks in 19 games since.

[Mike Ryan]

Yeah, see, I think that revisionist history is garbage.

[Dan Le Batard]

Right? The revisionist history that should be applied was like, the only concern around this contract was he's a hit away.

[Mike Ryan]

Yeah, right, right.

[Dan Le Batard]

The.

[Mike Ryan]

When the contract was given, everyone else in his draft class had already signed those deals. This was the going rate. They didn't give him the. He didn't become the highest paid quarterback. It was like Dak Prescott. This is the going rate to sign a quarterback who's had some type of success in the league to another contract. And the second part of it is we're talking as if the guy we're seeing today from, you know, Tua is the same as the one who got that contract. It's not that was a good player. This is a bad player. So, like, it's revisionist history talking about he should have never gotten that contract. You can't predict that he's going to be washed in two years from now, which is what's happened.

[Hollywood]

Yeah. But as the thing is, you look at the open market and you go, all right, you want to test free agency, go ahead. Who's going to give you that kind of offer? Nobody was going to give that kind of.

[Mike Ryan]

I think you're wrong. I think you're wrong.

[Dan Le Batard]

Really?

[Chris Cody]

You think somebody would have.

[Tony]

With the.

[Hollywood]

Concurrent with what we saw on T. On national TV, somebody said, like, yeah.

[Mike Ryan]

I'm going to give him $200 million for a quarterback. It's the only way to win the league. One of the 32 teams out there is desperate enough to sign a guy who just came off of being the most passing yards in the NFL. Absolutely.

[John Zaslow]

Do you guys not sort of realize that the trilogy in this is. It is without precedent in the market where everyone in the same half season gets swept out to sea? Like, what will be left here? We just saw to his punctuation. He verbalized it. And he goes down in the flames now as well. In half a season, we will turn to the Dolphins and be like, who leads them? Who do you care about on this team? Who goes into the next incarnation? Waddle and a chan. Like, what? What have they left here? It's all going to be Embers. They went all in on. We're gonna get Tyreek Hill. We're gonna get Chubb. We're gonna. We're close to the Chiefs right there. We got one of their guys over here.

[Tony]

Guys.

[Dan Le Batard]

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[Hollywood]

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[John Zaslow]

Don LeBatard John Zaslo. How you love that cat phrase. Bad news for opposing teams in the Triple A St. This is the Dan Levatar show with the stuff foreign.

[Mike Ryan]

I'll be honest, I'm surprised that they're not taking calls on Jaylen Waddle. They should like that contract. Looks like it sucks now. All right. And he's not a bad wide receiver. He's fine. But that contract sucks.

[Hollywood]

He's a great number three.

[Chris Cody]

Big dog was saying today he wouldn't even take a one for him. You mean Rose that he would turn down a first round pick.

[Mike Ryan]

He wouldn't trade him.

[Chris Cody]

He's like, it would have to be like a top five pick for me yesterday.

[Tony]

What? What?

[Mike Ryan]

You know, I think you heard that.

[Dan Le Batard]

I don't even believe you know, I can't. I. I'm with you as I think.

[Mike Ryan]

You heard that wrong.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yes.

[Mike Ryan]

That doesn't make sense.

[Dan Le Batard]

Might be time. If that's Joe's take, I think.

[Mike Ryan]

Why are you making things up this morning?

[John Zaslow]

Chris, listen to me. Chris wants a protected Chris Cody loves Joe Rose, will always love Joe Rose. He comes in barrels in every day saying this is what the big dog said. I don't know why the big dog has him on a leash, but Chris Cody didn't just have his own opinion there as a lifelong Dolphin fan. No, no, no, no, no. He's gonna recycle the big dogs.

[Mike Ryan]

Let's just make sure we're Clear on what Chris is saying that Joe Rose said he would only trade Jalen Waddle for a top five.

[Chris Cody]

His first take was there's three guys on this team. You keep Paul, Hn and Waddle. Who's Paul's the second round left tag. No, no, no. That's a good pick. The Dolphins last year. Second round pick, left tackle. Patrick Paul. He seems like he's going to be.

[Dan Le Batard]

I had no idea what his first or last name was.

[Chris Cody]

Patrick, Paul. He's supposedly a good left tackle. So he's like, those are the three guys. And then his producer started pushing.

[Dan Le Batard]

The first one he went with was Paul.

[Chris Cody]

No, Dolphin fans know Paul.

[John Zaslow]

Tony, Chris, you are doing the correct.

[Chris Cody]

You guys are showing your ass here. If you guys don't know who Patrick third.

[John Zaslow]

Chris. It's not what I'm doing.

[Chris Cody]

No, he's like their number one. I would say he's the most capable.

[Dan Le Batard]

That's on his blind side, though, to us left.

[Mike Ryan]

Yeah, it's true. Not as valuable.

[John Zaslow]

Chris, I understand your defensive posture. You are correct. Paul.

[Chris Cody]

Paul, H.N. and Waddle.

[Mike Ryan]

Let's go hnwaddle a law firm.

[John Zaslow]

Okay, listen, Chris, I'm just going to explain something to you real quick. Just on what's happening behind you right now. Okay? I understand that you are correct that Paul is indeed a redeemer, redeemable Dolphin. One of the three they have on a roster of 50 more.

[Chris Cody]

Then Hollywood pushes back. What about you got to give up.

[John Zaslow]

Let me just finish for a second, Chris.

[Dan Le Batard]

Well, I kind of want to hear what Hollywood thinks.

[John Zaslow]

I'm pretty sure that Tony and Mike are only laughing at you because they think that you've just identified some guy named Paul that they've got playing left tackle who they just assume is just. They've got to keep. They've got to keep. Keep Waddle. They got to keep. Nobody else. And just that guy Paul. Paul.

[Tony]

He's there.

[Dan Le Batard]

No, we're the butt of the joke. I had no idea who you were talking about. I got to make some smoothies. Some dude named Paul.

[Mike Ryan]

First name or last name?

[Chris Cody]

Patrick. Paul, left tackle, second round pick last season.

[John Zaslow]

You're correct. But the Big Dog is in your dreams right now when he says the Big Dog tells you on the way in. And of course, this is lunacy what he's saying. Big Dog. You've seen wide receivers. Come on. Big Dog Waddle is not a number one. He's a nice number two. And it is now a terrible contract added to the pile of 895 million of those that Chris Greer gives on the way out the door as. Be careful how you fire the black man. Brian Flores has a lawsuit in town. And I'm sorry I stepped on the joke yesterday that said that the Dolphins would be firing consecutive black coaches.

[Greg]

Good job, Dan.

[John Zaslow]

I think a lot of the audience probably doesn't still know that Mike McDaniel is black.

[Mike Ryan]

Get out of here with that.

[John Zaslow]

I don't think you're qualified.

[Tony]

Hold on a minute.

[Mike Ryan]

Get out of here.

[Tony]

It's been three years.

[Hollywood]

We know.

[Mike Ryan]

Get out of here. I'll say it right now. Get out of here. Be careful, Mike McDaniel. Be careful, Mike McDaniel. What are you talking about?

[John Zaslow]

I don't think you're qualified to be. I don't think you're the qualified. This is not a place I put you as judge. But you have said you're a race expert.

[Mike Ryan]

Race war experts, I mean, gonna start one. You know what? I don't think I am Mike McDaniel.

[John Zaslow]

Is that crackling I hear?

[Tony]

Do we more of a blaze or an inferno around the Dolphins? Like if we were to try to categorize this fire, blaze, inferno, or just.

[Chris Cody]

A warm fire in the living room?

[John Zaslow]

No, at Tyreek's house behind Mike, right there. The picture of Tyreek's house when it did catch fire.

[Mike Ryan]

Do you think Tyreek watches the Dolphin games?

[John Zaslow]

That's a great question. Put it on the poll at Lebatard show. Do you think Tyreek watches the Dolphins? Gotta go. No. Yes or no? Well, but I wonder if you've broken your leg in the name of this cause. And like I'm saying to you, he couldn't be the leader. He couldn't be the captain. Remember these conversations we were having before the season? Tyreek Hill cannot be the leader of this team. How was everybody right about these Dolphins that when they said whatever software not made for this, not led by anybody, really. Tyreek Hill comes, gets his stardom. Everyone knows. Oh, the whole thing works only if he's faster than everyone else. That's where it works best. All of it. Tua gets his money and a room full of people who haven't. Tua says, their fault, not mine. And that's a giant business in Miami. And to see it go up in flames like this, I can say I think historically, 50 years in, there's never been anything like it. There's never. Where your GM is, the GM that has the longest stretch of never winning a playoff game. And. And you're just recycling through coaches and all of them stumble at the finish line. All of them since Saban. And your organization is bad for a quarter century when all the rules legislate that everything should be equal. Your team is the worst. If only the jets didn't exist.

[Mike Ryan]

I feel like Cody said it, like, in passing yesterday, the lawsuit, Chris Greer thing, but I. I'm having trouble digesting that. I. I think he's right. I think it's a. I think it's a really big thing, and that's why Chris Greer may not be going anywhere.

[John Zaslow]

That needs some reporting. I don't think we. That's really.

[Dan Le Batard]

I don't think.

[John Zaslow]

Wait a minute. Hold on a second. I don't think we can do that that way. Like, you can't just throw, like, time to throw away the journalistic credibility and get reckless. Here is something we like to call reckless speculation.

[Greg]

You're good.

[Mike Ryan]

Is it reckless? Is it reckless to think that if Chris Greer is no longer employed by the Dolphins, that he may side with the lawsuit as opposed to his former employer who just farted?

[Chris Cody]

Yes.

[Mike Ryan]

That's reckless.

[John Zaslow]

Yes.

[Greg]

Yeah, kind of.

[John Zaslow]

But. But I love it. It's scandalous and wrong, but. But I do love it. Wait a minute. Just on human terms. Think of it this way, on just human terms. You're Stephen Ross. You can buy anything you want in the world you have not been able to buy. I'm a competent Miami Dolphins owner. And at the end, the other black guy I gave a chance is gonna be in the lawsuit that tells everybody all my secrets about all the things I was doing. And that's gonna be the punctuation of not, but of my life, because I'm in my 80s and I desperately did. Like, I'm imagining that Steven Ross. Like, think about this. And things rich people can buy. I'm imagining that Steven Ross, what hurts him the most here is that people don't think he cares. That he's just running the franchise, that he doesn't care.

[Mike Ryan]

I think he cares a lot.

[John Zaslow]

And if it's the opposite of that, and that's still an opinion you can't change for as long as you live with all the money in the world. And when you've, like, you've made a big, giant economy in Miami with land over there, around that stadium, land I'll remind you that Joe Robbie's family went bankrupt trying to protect. Because these businesses are giant economies. And I've never seen this one swallowed this way. I don't think it's overreaction to say that half a season in not even the 1 in 15 season because they got Cam Cameron out in a year that there's never been this where you just see like wait, you're. You blink and you're like, okay. So one of the most precious jewels in the history of South Florida. They're going to have to start all over from nothing again from nothing. No quarterback hn if you don't break his leg on the way out. And. And Waller like what? What?

[Dan Le Batard]

But that's the league.

[John Zaslow]

That's not the league.

[Dan Le Batard]

It is. It is if you're not the Steelers or Packers for some teams. Yeah, like that's the league. It really is. Look at your division. It was the Bills for a very long time.

[John Zaslow]

How much do you imagine it burned Stephen Ross that at the end he can't buy. We'll laugh at you till the grave. You will not dig this out. It will not. Your punctuation here will be. You ran it all into the ground for 25 years. You ran the entire. Do you know how arrogant the Dolphins have been about business in this town for 40 years?

[Dan Le Batard]

What is the discourse amongst Dolphin fans around Steven Ross? Do they think he's a buffoon?

[Chris Cody]

I don't hear as negative as Dan talks.

[Mike Ryan]

No, no, I do. I think Dolphin fans because I push back against because I think Steven Ross does care a lot.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah.

[Mike Ryan]

And I happen to think. Now I.

[Dan Le Batard]

You happen to think?

[John Zaslow]

Happen to think?

[Mike Ryan]

Yeah, I happen to think.

[Chris Cody]

I don't have imaging for that.

[Mike Ryan]

All right.

[Dan Le Batard]

I happen to know Stephen Ross cares deeply.

[John Zaslow]

Oh my God.

[Chris Cody]

He knows.

[John Zaslow]

Oh, you happen to think first does. I happen to know.

[Dan Le Batard]

I know he cares. Come everywhere one come and listen.

[Chris Cody]

He happens to know. Well informed.

[Mike Ryan]

I happen to think.

[Dan Le Batard]

Okay. I for you though.

[Mike Ryan]

I happen to think that Steven Ross has been a good owner because he puts money into the team. It's a great game day experience. He tries money's he does he. He's not a deadbeat owner. But when you're not willing to make the change that is necessary for the football team to improve, that's where we are right now. I believe it's like, dude, come on. But I hear plenty of Dolphin fans who think that he doesn't care at all and only cares about making money. I hear a lot of that.

[Hollywood]

Yeah, but that spending money is easy for him, right? Oh, you're putting an F1 track.

[Chris Cody]

All right.

[Hollywood]

What's up? $100 million. Who cares? All right, do this, do that, tennis this, that, whatever.

[Mike Ryan]

Now it's hard that easy, Tony.

[John Zaslow]

True, but when you.

[Hollywood]

No, but when you're a billionaire, you can make things happen very quickly. You know what's hard? Firing your GM, firing your coach, giving a quarterback $200 million. It probably doesn't deserve it. That's the tough stuff that he just doesn't do now.

[Mike Ryan]

Extra wrinkle. All right. In the whole lawsuit Chris Greer situation that if he doesn't fire him, you know, let's keep from talking. If he does fire him, are we sure that Chris Greer would then be team Flores because they hated each other in the end?

[Dan Le Batard]

Everybody hated Brian Flores on here. Stop it. He can fire the GM and head coach. He will at the end of the season. You think there is no shot these guys are coming.

[Mike Ryan]

I'm concerned.

[Dan Le Batard]

No shot, zero shot. The only thing that he'd be doing in firing McDaniels and Greer is making people online happy that it happens sooner than it will happen.

[Mike Ryan]

Chris Greer was scouting Lenora Sellers at John Matier this weekend.

[Chris Cody]

That's hilarious. He has to be there. I mean, looking at other GMs, like, can you believe I'm here?

[Dan Le Batard]

He would probably be doing that if he were out of work for the networking aspect because he wants to stay in the league.

[Chris Cody]

I honestly bet he was networking more than more than watching the court. He has to be.

[Dan Le Batard]

The writing's been on the wall. This is not like, why fire the coach? That's a move that you that either placates a fan base. And it's been reported that he would give serious consideration to firing McDaniels if disinterest reached a certain level. So we'll see what the stadium looks like. I guess he would just be giving people a pound of flesh. But I would venture to say fans want a pound, which is different than happen to think or happen to know. But I would venture to say he's made up his mind, falls here, kids.

[Greg]

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[Dan Le Batard]

Howdy, listeners. It's Mike Ryan and Chris Cody. Hey, everyone. Hey, Chris. We love hanging out so much. You were at my birthday the other day.

[John Zaslow]

You're old.

[Dan Le Batard]

You know what I saw in your hand?

[Chris Cody]

What?

[Dan Le Batard]

A can of Miller Light. Whether it's a can, whether it's a bottle, a draft pour of Miller Light, the draft bore. You see that beautiful iconic color. Ah, the cold right away.

[Chris Cody]

The ice coldness to it.

[Dan Le Batard]

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[Chris Cody]

That icy coldness.

[Dan Le Batard]

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[Chris Cody]

I see coldness.

[Dan Le Batard]

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[Chris Cody]

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[John Zaslow]

Don LeBatard.

[Dan Le Batard]

In terms of heat fans, you're the most irrational of us right now. What's the pivot?

[Chris Cody]

How am I irrational?

[Dan Le Batard]

Stugats.

[John Zaslow]

How am I irrational? Hear your voice. If I were making a cartoon thing that was meant to symbolize irrational, that's the voice I would give.

[Chris Cody]

Entire premise.

[John Zaslow]

This is the Dan Levatar show with the stugats. I implore you to the degree that I can to. I know these people are cartoon characters, okay? The Steven Ross that would have any degree of pride of not wanting to be an international embarrassment as a sports owner because yeah, you can win the game of money the way Jerry Jones has won it and be respected with power, or you can buy your way, your way into the club the way he did and just have like really 25 years of epic failure. It's not just the Patriots running your division, it's the Bills then taking it from you when they hadn't made the playoffs for 17 years and all the rules are stacked so that you should. I give anyone 25 years they're going to win a playoff game. Anybody. I can give a team of circus clowns 25 years, we'll stumble into a playoff victory one season with an assortment of leaderships. This has been an epic run of failure. That makes the Dolphins in these 25 years undisputedly. This is not an overreaction. His presiding over this makes it a quarter century of failure in a team where the heat took the town from him. NBA opens today. He took the town from him. And the Panthers have Brad Marchand as their champion leader face on national television because they've lost the town to teams that are organizations that have been run better. As Steven Ross with all the money in the world has presided over. How do I get in the game with Kraft and Jerry Jones? And this is why I implore people to say, like to understand. God, I wish these people didn't have a salary cap. Because at the end of his life, Steven Ross would have made it rain billions trying to not have his life end with, oh, everyone's laughing at me at the end. To the grave. To the grave like Huizenga at the end, who owned this team was. Was being taken care of in hospice because he had lost his mind. And at the end, the legacy and empire meant nothing. Steven Ross knows he's at the tail end of his life and career with this thing. He would pay any amount of money, any amount of money to not have it be this. At the end of his life.

[Dan Le Batard]

You're killing an 85 year old billionaire. That's not how this works. All right? Glenn Taylor, they thought he was gonna die 20 years ago. These guys live forever drinking blood.

[Chris Cody]

Buy a new heart or something.

[John Zaslow]

The other thing that we have fresh reporting on, what's a heart going for.

[Mike Ryan]

In the black market today?

[Hollywood]

You don't want to know.

[Dan Le Batard]

I'll look it up.

[John Zaslow]

Put it on the pole at Levitar. Put it over under. Put it over under on this pole.

[Hollywood]

You want me to give you the real number or no? You don't want the real number. The real number is 500k.

[Dan Le Batard]

Got cheap.

[Hollywood]

Cheaper than you thought still.

[Dan Le Batard]

Because the body can reject it.

[Hollywood]

Exactly right.

[Mike Ryan]

Do you get money back if it.

[Dan Le Batard]

Does not on the black market.

[Hollywood]

Bitcoin, baby.

[John Zaslow]

You're telling me I can buy a human heart for 500?

[Mike Ryan]

500,000 as is.

[Hollywood]

Now, obviously, if you want it more souped up. Right. You want. Hey, I want this kind of heart. That kind of heart. Obviously it's going to cost a little.

[Chris Cody]

Bit more Air is telling me the average cost of a heart transplant in the US is approximately 1.9 million.

[Hollywood]

Yeah, but that's over.

[Dan Le Batard]

That should. That's a medical service Tony's got.

[Greg]

It's labor.

[Dan Le Batard]

That's labor, right?

[Hollywood]

That's the heart.

[Dan Le Batard]

Well, if the Democrats came to Congress. Thank you.

[Hollywood]

Thought we would get to that. Finally.

[Dan Le Batard]

They're shut down. They own it. I like this guy. Hell of a ballroom.

[Hollywood]

Good hat.

[Dan Le Batard]

Should be red.

[Hollywood]

500K.

[Greg]

Dano.

[Tony]

That's good.

[John Zaslow]

I cannot believe the confidence with which you knew how much a human heart goes for on the black market in Hialeah. Well, Tony is about those particular. Look, Tony, I've told you guys before that my father, who's not unlike his father, once found like a spare tire for me for $10 in the. Like in a door that opens in Hialeah where they fix my car for $10.

[Tony]

You know how many human hearts Steven Ross could buy? 34,000 because he has $17 billion. I think he's okay at the end of his life.

[Chris Cody]

That honestly seems low.

[Tony]

And you have to give money thousand.

[Dan Le Batard]

Dollars times Big Michigan booster. They want a natty.

[Tony]

He's fine.

[Dan Le Batard]

He's had some success.

[John Zaslow]

Oh, so you guys don't think that it matters to him that he's an international laughingstock desecrating one of the. The great and proud franchises in the history of a league that just got this popular. The Dolphins. I will remind people again, winning his franchise 70s, 80s, 90s and all of sports.

[Dan Le Batard]

I don't think he's an international laughing sock. I don't think it's shortage. They're like the Steven Ross bruv. I don't think so. I don't. They're barely like. I had to ask Zaz, what's a temperature check on. On Steven Ross? I think most people would say, yeah, the Dolphins are struggling, but Steven Ross has done a Pretty good job. Like, I remember what the conversation was like around Wayne Huizenga and how mad and sell the team. And yeah, you'll have segments of the fan base that'll do that whenever there are struggles. But I don't think the struggles are because Steven Ross is, you know, disinterested. I think he. He's super involved and is also trusting the people that he's hired. He just hasn't made the right hires. That's the business. Like, only, like, four franchises consistently over our lifetimes have been in the conversation routinely outside of a couple seasons here or there.

[Tony]

Well, and people down here treat it differently, Right? Like, if you look at the way we responded to Jeffrey Lauria, it was because they were selling high on players. That's not really ever what. What happens with the Dolphins. Like, they let things run their course, whether it's coaches or players. And most fans look at it as like, oh, man, I'm sad this didn't work out. The bigger criticism would be holding on to guys for too long, whether that was Ryan Tannehill or now Chris Greer, gm.

[Dan Le Batard]

Well, let's look at his scandals.

[John Zaslow]

Right?

[Dan Le Batard]

Bullygate happened on his watch. That was bad. He put together a council that featured Curtis Martin and they had, like, a call, but his other.

[John Zaslow]

They've never got together. Pablo needs to find out about this. We've been trying to find out for years. We don't believe there was ever a meeting of that task force.

[Dan Le Batard]

He's got this Brian Flores thing, which is a. Adjacent to the pursuit of the greatest quarterback ever.

[Mike Ryan]

Yeah. The offensive line coach who was snorting them grains with the stripper.

[Tony]

Is a fun night to work at WSBN Grains.

[Mike Ryan]

Yeah. So you're saying that's when it gets stuck in.

[Chris Cody]

The kids call him.

[Mike Ryan]

Man got that big grain.

[John Zaslow]

Cocaine is grain.

[Mike Ryan]

That's what he. It was his words, not mine.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah.

[Mike Ryan]

What? What do you mean, what?

[Dan Le Batard]

That was a crazy video.

[Hollywood]

Are you looking at me?

[Chris Cody]

I think of Bruce Sherman more negatively than I do the Dolphins.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yes.

[Tony]

Relax.

[Chris Cody]

I do. I just.

[Dan Le Batard]

It's just like, sideline reporter.

[Chris Cody]

They haven't spent money. I know that. They don't. They don't draw attendance.

[Mike Ryan]

They're better.

[Dan Le Batard]

They've hired.

[Chris Cody]

I know.

[Tony]

President of baseball operations that actually knows what he's doing.

[Chris Cody]

Okay. A couple years ago, the Dolphins had a cup of coffee. Being good, too. Like, don't get excited over, like, one good half a season. Like, I'm just saying, no, the Marlins are better run. That's crazy. I just disagree. Push back on It's.

[Dan Le Batard]

It's an amazing narrative shift because Bruce Sherman wasn't spending any money and he brought in Derek G. I'm just saying over the last.

[John Zaslow]

I'm going to say over the last 12 months. I'm going to say over.

[Chris Cody]

I mean, it's small.

[Tony]

Okay.

[John Zaslow]

Okay. It's a tiny sample. Okay.

[Dan Le Batard]

But what you were saying two years ago was Stephen Ross. You got it, man. Congratulations.

[Chris Cody]

We can just look since, since Bruce Sherman has been here. How many years has Bruce Sherman been here, Jeremy?

[Dan Le Batard]

What?

[Chris Cody]

10?

[John Zaslow]

They've got a couple of playoff. They've got a couple of playoff appearances.

[Tony]

Exactly right.

[Chris Cody]

I would think the Dolphins like, with.

[John Zaslow]

It's harder to do in baseball.

[Dan Le Batard]

Dolphins also have a couple of playoff experiences. I think over the. What the last four years they have the same.

[John Zaslow]

But I think. I don't want to speak for Jeremy. He can speak for himself. You haven't been paying attention to the last 12 months if you think this is still a poorly run organization. That's all.

[Tony]

That's all from a front office perspective. Like it. It really is. And we'll see what happens this offseason. Like what supplements are put in there to add to what's been going on. But I like Bendix. I'm just organization in the Dolphins. Like, I think that's the. That's the frustration. Right.

[Chris Cody]

I'm pushing back on Dan at just like, I don't. I don't know what I'm doing. I might be wrong. I don't think of Steven Ross as the main problem.

[John Zaslow]

The Dolphins have won the. The Marlins have won two championships and with no payroll. Not with equal payrolls. With no payroll and a pandemic season. They've made the playoffs twice. They've. It's ridiculous, but it's harder to do than it is than the Dolphins make it look in football where over 25 years. I'm not kidding when I tell you I could just hire a team of Circus Clowns In 25 years, I'll win a playoff game. A playoff game. 1. One wild card playoff game. It's a. It's a crazy epic fail at the end of Steven Ross's career.

[Hollywood]

The Browns want a playoff game.

[Dan Le Batard]

That's true.

[Tony]

Marlins won a wild card series.

[Mike Ryan]

Panthers won two Stanley Cups.

[Dan Le Batard]

Well, we're back.

[Greg]

Yeah.

[John Zaslow]

I want to. I want to get to one more happens to know because Mike Ryan has fresh reporting, snooping around the Florida job. Billy Napier. I mean, I thought that was a pretty seismic change. We've got three great jobs in this state and, and Two decent ones. And at FAU and fiu, people who keep trying to build their way to what Crystal Paul gets to be a part of. But Florida getting rid of its head coach as a standard setter in the middle of a season saying we beat Mississippi State, but no, we need to climb to where ridiculously Missouri and Vanderbilt are, where we're more serious competitor and threat to Alabama. Florida has fallen behind, knows it and so guillotine somebody because the building was burning there too. And the stakes there in Gainesville, they've just told you what the standard is. It's higher than it is at most places. They'll pay for someone to go away middle of a season, get out of here.

[Dan Le Batard]

Whether it be Penn State or Florida, it's safe to say both those schools right now the highest commanding salary in the sport is Kirby Smart, which is at 13 and change. I expect us to go in the $15 million range, be at Penn State, be it Florida, be it both those schools.

[Mike Ryan]

Do you think if James Franklin wasn't fired, would Florida have fired Billy Napier this week?

[Dan Le Batard]

That's an interesting question. I don't know. But I do think that the James Franklin decision has made other programs like fsu, they had a big come to Jesus meeting and they decided we'll stay the course. Their financial situation is more dire than Florida. Florida has got a war chest waiting for this day. For several seasons, the leading contender at both these schools is Marcus Freeman from Notre Dame. There was some back channeling last year.

[Mike Ryan]

Seems like he loves it there.

[Dan Le Batard]

He wants to go to the pros. So I think as I understand it, what happens to Notre Dame's season kind.

[Mike Ryan]

Of happen to understand.

[Chris Cody]

He said happens to Notre Dame.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah.

[John Zaslow]

What happened?

[Dan Le Batard]

What happens to Notre Dame season?

[John Zaslow]

I want to know what level of reporting you're giving us here.

[Dan Le Batard]

I mean the leading competent. It's like 1A, 1B Marcus Freeman, Lane Kiffin and whoever it is is gonna get a bag. They're talking about serious bags. And there was a level back channeling last year with Marcus Freeman and Florida gauging interest. Just like there's always been Lane Kiffin flirting with a return to the state of Florida. These while these. It's like players in the portal. You may have a coach. It's what's happening with Steven Ross right now. You may have a coach in place, but you're making calls. So the dream ideal candidate is dropping a bag and taking Marcus Freeman from Notre Dame.

[John Zaslow]

This is breaking news being delivered by cowboy Mike Ryan. No one else is reporting that Cowboy I don't know about Cowboy Mike Ryan. He's reporting exclusively. That's what happens to know.

[Dan Le Batard]

I'm not reporting exclusively.

[John Zaslow]

The international media needs to pick this up. What do you mean you're not reporting exclusively?

[Dan Le Batard]

There are people that are plugged into Florida that have. You know. You check the blogs. They're like Lane Kiff and Marcus Freeman too.

[Mike Ryan]

I haven't heard anyone else. I'm giving it to you.

[Dan Le Batard]

Okay, I'll take it. But I mean, the Florida pursuit of Marcus Freeman and Lane Kiffin is years long and is pretty well understood.

[John Zaslow]

Notre Dame does not. Look, Brian Kelly has been exposed at lsu. Notre Dame. Everyone understands this, right? They don't think they're beneath Florida. They don't think that they lose their hotshot. They're about the holy touchdown Jesus. And you're about the pride of what this school makes you. Those don't Notre Dame coaches don't take demotions to go to the SEC you know about.

[Mike Ryan]

Touch on Jesus.

[Dan Le Batard]

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