Local Hour: The Chick-Fil-A Controversy

Summary

The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz

Episode: Local Hour: The Chick-Fil-A Controversy
Date: March 13, 2026

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Episode Overview

Broadcasting from the Elser Hotel in Downtown Miami, the Dan Le Batard Show dives into the viral "Chick-Fil-A Controversy" sweeping South Florida sports. The crew – Dan Le Batard, Stugotz (remotely), Jeremy, Tony, Mike, and guest Dave Damashek – discuss the intersection of food promotions and sports fandom, examine niche debates about loyalty to teams versus players, and unpack the recent Miami Heat scoring record and its subsequent blowback. The conversation is rich with humor, Miami culture references, and trademark show tangents.

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1. The Chick-Fil-A Promotion Controversy

[00:00 – 06:44]

The New Promotion

• Chick-Fil-A's Miami Heat Promotion: If an opposing player misses two consecutive free throws in the second half, every fan gets a free order of eight Chick-Fil-A nuggets via the app (00:47).
• Not Just Fourth Quarter: Applies any time in the second half, not just late-game situations (01:06).
• Crowd Participation: The crowd gets extremely hyped when the first free throw is missed – sometimes it’s the loudest moment in a blowout.
  • “Sometimes the biggest pop of an entire game, if it’s a blowout, is that moment when someone has missed [a] free throw.” — Dan (01:34)

Notable Past Moment

• Boban Marjanovic Story: Boban, well-aware of the promotion, missed deliberately, pumping his fist in celebration even though the game was still close, fueling debate about “point-shaving” for chicken (01:34–02:40).

Statistical Analysis, "Chicken Conversion Rate"

• CCR – Chicken Conversion Rate: Pablo Torre & Amin Elhassan analyzed which NBA players most often trigger the promotion; Giannis Antetokounmpo is notably unreliable at the line, particularly in pressure situations (02:37–03:39).
  • “68% for Giannis normally on free throws. 63% in the fourth quarter, chicken eligible free throws. He misses eight out of ten free throws.”—Jeremy (03:22)
• Giannis Did It Again: He missed two in a row last night, setting off the latest wave of free chicken (03:44).

The Chick-Fil-A App Conflict

• Panthers Also Run Chick-Fil-A Promotions: If Florida Panthers goalie Sergei Bobrovsky makes 30+ saves, fans also get nuggets (03:57).
• You Can’t Stack Promotions: Despite both teams potentially activating the promo in the same night, you can only claim one reward in the app—a “Chick Fil A eclipse.” (04:24, 06:13)
  • “I think this might be the biggest controversy Chick-Fil-A has ever faced.”—Jeremy (04:41)
• Geofencing & Limitations: Dave asks if out-of-market fans can claim; Mike confirms it’s geofenced to South Florida (06:21).

Memorable Quotes/Moments

• “That’s a point shaving scenario right there.”—Mike (02:36)
• “You can’t combine the two, then and get 16.”—Dan (04:48)
• “Guys, I think this might be the biggest controversy Chick Fil a has ever faced. Yeah, I can’t think of another.”—Jeremy (04:41)

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2. South Florida Sports Promotions & Nostalgia

[06:45 – 07:18]

• Old School Promos: Nostalgia about the days when fans brought Dolphins ticket stubs to claim rewards, or Heat pizza deals.
• Papa John’s Still Exists: Heat win discounts are still valid, though now apply only to regular menu items (05:31–05:56).

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3. Selection Sunday & Everything Else Happening This Weekend

[07:19 – 09:43]

• Selection Sunday is Coming: The crew previews college basketball’s biggest bracket reveal; Dave will participate in a live stream (08:26–09:05).
• A "Niche Interest Equinox": Tony points out that Sunday also features tennis (Indian Wells), NASCAR, AEW wrestling, The Oscars, and more—a convergence for all tastes (07:26–08:26).
• Favorite Non-Game Sports Event Ranking: Selection Sunday, NFL Draft, NBA Draft Lottery top the “no actual sports, but still a spectacle” list (09:05).

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4. Players vs. Team Fandom: An Ongoing Debate

[09:44 – 19:53]

Do Adults Have Favorite Players?

• Split Opinions: The crew debates if it’s weird for adults to have favorite team players, or if that’s strictly for kids.
  • “No, I’m 34.”—Mike, when asked if he has a favorite Heat player (09:51)
  • “I finally hit the age where...I don’t have favorite players anymore because it’s weird to me, for a guy who’s younger than me, oh, you’re my favorite.”—Dan (11:04)
• Shift In Modern Fandom: Younger generations follow players (LeBron, Steph, etc.) more than teams, especially in the NBA and soccer (10:07).

Loyalty: Team Brand vs. Player

• Team > Player: Fans often turn on favorite players during contract disputes if it means “hurting the team.” (11:29–12:03)
• Is It Childish to Have Favorites?: The group agrees it’s less common to have favorite team players as adults, but being a fan of greatness/transcendent skills is universal (17:12–17:34).

Notable Quotes/Moments

• “That’s what we do...We do root for the laundry.”—Mike (19:02)
• “Is the opposite then true? Do I have to like everybody the same then? ...And then that takes us into the Jerry Seinfeld. Well, now I’m just rooting for the laundry. Unsatisfied.”—Dave (18:44)

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5. More on Heat Records, Bam Adebayo, and "Controversy"

[19:54 – 27:02]

The Bam Adebayo 83-Point Game "Controversy"

• Heat’s Recent Surge: The Heat have won seven in a row, nine games above .500, with Pella Larson’s career night (15:53).
• Outrage about Bam’s Scoring: Dave calls the uproar over Bam Adebayo’s 83-point game “the dumbest controversy I can recall in my lifetime.” At heart, it’s a battle over fans protecting Kobe Bryant’s record (21:06–21:32).
  • “This is move over tan suit. This is the dumbest controversy I can recall in my lifetime.”—Dave (21:07)
• Spoelstra’s Defiant Comments:
  • “I apologize to absolutely no one, period...For Bam, I want as our best player and team captain, for him to be locked in and ready. And he sure was.”—Eric Spoelstra (22:51)
• What 'Heat Culture' Is: Dan and Mike argue Heat Culture’s essence is about internal focus, not external approval (24:43).
  • “They don’t care about what everyone else is saying.”—Dan (24:54)
• Darwinism, Not Purism: Spoelstra doubles down, calling himself a “Darwinist” rather than a “purist”—do anything necessary to win in today’s NBA (26:07).
  • "You can do anything you want in this game. You can approach it however you want." —Eric Spoelstra (26:05)

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6. The Origin and Power of "Heat Culture"

[30:33 – 32:10]

• The Spoelstra Factor: Dave jokes that Spo’s unchanging appearance over two decades is as much the source of “Heat Culture” as anything else (30:33).
• Call for a 'Snowflake' Symbol: In jest, Dave proposes using a snowflake (instead of an asterisk) to signal records people don’t like (31:30).

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7. The Value of Moments and Experiences for Newer Fans

[32:10 – 34:39]

• Vicarious Fandom: Dan enjoys experiencing Heat resurgence through his teenage son’s fresh perspective; Bam’s 83-point night has roped him (and other kids) into the Heat’s story (32:10–33:18).
• Boost for Team Cohesion: Players say the team needed a galvanizing moment to bring everyone back into the league’s national conversation—a win streak and historic game have done that (33:43).

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8. Another Florida Sports Connection: Old Criticisms Echo

[35:14 – 36:12]

• Florida Teams & Perception: Dave compares the Heat “running it up” to past Miami Canes and Florida Gators teams who were criticized for the same, noting the NBA context makes the outcry weirder.

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9. Bam Adebayo Responds Directly

[36:12 – 37:15]

• Bam’s Take:
  • “Y’all are blaming me, you should be blaming the head coach...I had 70 with nine minutes left—who wouldn’t go for it? If I have 70...I’m going for it.”—Bam (36:12)
• Team-First Mentality: Players naturally want to capitalize on opportunities; controversy over “ethics” in such moments is misplaced (36:12–37:15).

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10. Jay Williams Rumor – Will Eric Spoelstra Step Aside?

[37:15 – 41:40]

• Jay Williams Rumor: ESPN’s Jay Williams suggests Jay Lucas is on deck to replace Spoelstra if Spo steps aside. The group is skeptical, citing Spo’s ongoing passion and recent USA Basketball appointment (37:23–41:12).
• Duke-Heat-Miami Connections: Tony details possible connective tissue, but consensus is this rumor is more smoke than fire for now (39:06–40:55).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Loyalty:
  “We do root for the laundry. We have an entire dedicated March Madness rooting for laundry.”—Mike (19:02)
• On “Heat Culture”:
  “We’re not for everybody. That is Heat Culture. They don’t care what everyone else is saying.”—Dan (24:54)
• On Bam’s 83-point performance:
  “This is the dumbest controversy I can recall in my lifetime.”—Dave (21:07) “I apologize to absolutely no one, period.”—Eric Spoelstra (22:51) “If I have 70 with nine minutes left—who wouldn’t go for it?”—Bam Adebayo (36:12)
• On Player Favorites as Adults:
  “I don’t have favorite players anymore because it’s weird to me, for a guy who’s younger than me, oh, you’re my favorite.”—Dan (11:04)
• Show Banter:
  “Chick Fil A eclipse.”—Dan (06:22) “I was made to feel a little embarrassed...I’ll just shrink in over here. I guess I’m a child.”—Tony (18:09)

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Key Segment Timestamps

| Segment | Summary | Timestamp | |---------|---------|-----------| | Chick-Fil-A Promotion explained | Detailed rules and crowd reaction | 00:23–02:40 | | Chicken Conversion Rate & Giannis | Statistical breakdown on promotions | 02:40–03:39 | | Panthers/Heat Promo Clashing | You can only claim one, “Chick Fil A eclipse” | 03:57–06:24 | | Fandom Debate | Team vs Player, age & favorites | 09:44–19:53 | | Heat Scoring Record Outrage | Bam, Spoelstra, Heat “culture” | 19:54–27:02 | | Spoelstra’s Defiant Response | “I apologize to absolutely no one” | 22:51–23:24 | | Darwinism vs. Purism | Spo’s philosophy | 26:07–27:02 | | Experiencing Heat with New Fans | Dan’s son, generational perspective | 32:10–33:18 | | Jay Williams’ Rumor | Speculation on coaching succession | 37:15–41:40 |

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Overall, this episode weaves together sports, food, culture, and fandom, highlighting the quirks of South Florida, the power of promotions, and the sometimes bizarre things that captivate sports fans and media.

Transcript

[Dan Le Batard]

This is the Dan Levatar show with the Stugats podcast. So let's start out with the real controversy. Lots going on right now. It is a Friday show, which means, of course, we have our pal Dave Damaszek out there on the West Coast. Hello, Dave. There he is.

[Tony]

Miami.

[Dave]

What's going down?

[Dan Le Batard]

We got a full crew here in the shipping container, but, man, things were said last night. Things happened last night, and it involves a food that we all love. What is going on with Chick Fil a? Jeremy, can you. Can you fill me in here? All right, so is Chick Fil a like, the new promotion? The way that they used to do Papa John's for the Heat games? Like, it's now a Chick Fil a thing?

[Jeremy]

The way that this promotion works is if a road player misses two free throws in the second half, two consecutive free throws, you get a free Chick Fil a promotion. I, like normally, is eight nuggets.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah, I like those kind of bits, you know, because anytime August, you're saying any time in the second half.

[Jeremy]

Not just fourth quarter, any time in the second half.

[Dan Le Batard]

Wow.

[Dave]

Okay.

[Dan Le Batard]

It's very generous. Chick Fil A. And so. So if a road player misses the first free throw, like, is the crowd getting.

[Jeremy]

Absolutely. Every time? Because they'll. They'll put it up on the screen. Like, they'll tell you at halftime, like, hey, if this happens because they want the crowd to get into it, and then they'll remind people and people, like, sometimes the biggest pop of an entire game, if it's a blowout, is that moment when someone has missed free throw, bad crowd.

[Dan Le Batard]

Now, of course, I think everyone remembers, like, the most infamous moment of these, right. Is Boban. Where. Boban Marjanovich a few years ago. Dave, do you remember this? Where Boban was on the free throw line? I think he was playing for Houston at the time he was on the free throw line. It was a road game. And everybody knows you get free throw, free wings, whatever it was. And this. See, this one was so weird to me because Boban missed the first free throw. And everyone in the crowd now stands up. They're all cheering. They're very, very excited. And Boban, even though he's on the road team, clearly understands what's happening here. But here's the thing. It was a close game. It wasn't a blowout. And Boban motions to the crowd. I got you. He says, I got you. He puts his hand up and he points at everybody and he says, I got you. It's okay. I got You. And then he proceeds to miss the second free throw, and he comes up the court pumping his fist. Everyone was excited, but, like, it was a close game. Why did you do that?

[Mike]

Point shaving. Pablo's got to look into that.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah, that's. That's a point shaving scenario right there.

[Jeremy]

Well, Pablo has looked into this. He did an episode on chicken eligible free throws with a mean. Where did I miss that one? Well, you were here. Yeah, you were here. You were supposed to watch. But they figured out the ccr, which is the chicken conversion rate and not Credence Clear Water Revival. That is an oldie. The chicken conversion rate.

[Dan Le Batard]

You know about that?

[Jeremy]

One player in the league is sky high. Giannis Antetokounmpo shoots free throws going into the season at right around 68, 65.

[Dan Le Batard]

Hold on, I'm gonna.

[Mike]

I'm gonna stop you right there. Wayward son is Kansas, buddy.

[Tony]

It was Carry on, my wayward.

[Dan Le Batard]

Like I said, you know about that K. My wayward son.

[Tony]

It's Carry on, my wayward son. And it's by Kansas, not by ccr.

[Jeremy]

So, like I said, yeah, it's fortunate son. Fortunate son, but we can carry on. So 68% for Giannis normally on free throws. 63% in the fourth quarter, chicken eligible free throws. He misses eight out of 10 free throws.

[Dan Le Batard]

It's amazing.

[Jeremy]

On chicken eligible free.

[Mike]

So he's showing love to the.

[Dan Le Batard]

And he's the one that did it last night. Right. Okay, so this happened last night?

[Jeremy]

Last night.

[Dan Le Batard]

I texted him immediately. Yep. All right, so Giannis missed two free throws, and the crowd now, as a result, gets this. This Chick Fil A promotion.

[Dave]

That's right.

[Dan Le Batard]

So what is the controversy?

[Jeremy]

The controversy is that the Panthers also have a promotion, and the Panthers promotion is if Bob, or whoever is the goalie, has 30 or more saves. Roy, I'm right here, right? 30 or more saves. If 30 or more saves. 30 or more saves for Bob and you also. Oh, get a Chick Fil A promotion.

[Dan Le Batard]

The Panthers have to win to. No, no, no.

[Jeremy]

So by my math, looks like Daddy's looking at 16 today.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah.

[Jeremy]

Yeah, you would think so.

[Dan Le Batard]

So, well, why are you doubting that?

[Jeremy]

Because it seems as though on the Chick Fil A app, they may only be letting you cash in on one claim.

[Mike]

They are. I'm on the Chick Fil A app right now. I'm an avid user of the Chick Fil A app, and I'm looking at. Yeah, I'm looking at the rewards, and my rewards only show an account nugget.

[Jeremy]

Guys, I think this might be the biggest controversy Chick Fil a has ever faced. Yeah, I can't think of another.

[Dan Le Batard]

So, okay, you can't combine the two, then and get 16, but can you order eight and then another order. Order eight, Tony.

[Mike]

No. So usually what they do is. Because obviously, I'm a frequenter of this reward. Whisper.

[Dave]

Whisper here.

[Mike]

So what they do is that you can see on the app, it's like, you know, Miami Heat, promotion, whatever. This one, they didn't put a name right. It's either Miami Heat or Panthers or whatever. It just is. You get eight nuggets no matter what, but it doesn't specify which one they're actually.

[Dan Le Batard]

Oh, so you don't even have to be at the game to get the.

[Mike]

No, no, no, no. As long as you have the app, you can go in and redeem your nuggets.

[Dan Le Batard]

The thing is, I remember leaving those dolphin games after a dolphin when you got to bring the ticket stub where Chris the strip club. Right into. That's right, right into. Tootsies. Go ahead.

[Mike]

How old are you guys? Ticket stops so you can see our Panthers promotion. Heat promotion. Papa John's. You know, Heat win is still. Still valid.

[Dan Le Batard]

Oh, good, good, good.

[Mike]

Still valid. We can get Papa John's tonight if you want.

[Dan Le Batard]

50 off.

[Tony]

50 off.

[Mike]

It's a great deal. They used to be, by the way. They used to do it on. On stuff that was already on sale. So if it's like, all right, we have a promotion where you can get two pizzas for, you know, 11 bucks, and then you would drop the 50 on top of that, and you'd get

[Dan Le Batard]

it for, like, five bucks.

[Mike]

But they got wise to the game. They're like, nothing on promotion. You can get 50% off. It has to be full menu price, so whatever. Long story short, we're looking at only one. One promotion here. A reward for. For a South Florida Chick Fil A. But it would usually say Heater Panthers

[Jeremy]

doesn't say make it right. Chick Fil A.

[Eric Spoelstra]

Eight count.

[Mike]

That's it.

[Dan Le Batard]

Okay, so, like, is this the first time all year that there's been two missed free throws and 30 saves in a Panther Chick Fil A eclipse.

[Mike]

I don't know. I'd have to look.

[Dan Le Batard]

Chick Fil A eclipse.

[Dave]

I have to jump in from. From the other side of these United States States to ask who is checking to see is it based on zip code to verify that? I'm not going to. I can't tap into this from Southern California.

[Mike]

Yeah, David's Geofenced it's geofenced for South Florida. So you could probably have like a Lakers one or a Kings one or something.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah, probably like a 75.

[Dave]

I, I get my chicken, I get my chicken at Magic City and I just stay out of this entire long drive for you.

[Dan Le Batard]

Hey, so, all right, I, I, I, I'd like to you know, get a definitive answer for from Chick Fil A. All right, maybe within the next few hours what's going on there, you know. But are there Miami Heat for real? The Heat have won seven in a row. They are not a season best nine games above 500. You know about that Pella Larson last night. Mike, I know you've been dialed it. You're a big NBA fan over the last like two weeks. You just started watching the sport.

[Tony]

Yeah, I, I tapped out on the NBA. By the way, I believe the Celtics are 500 since Jason Tatum came back

[Dan Le Batard]

and he had to rest last year.

[Tony]

Yeah, let, let's not mention that the been at the spurs and @OKC. I believe on back to back nights we just move on. But right now we're 500 and that's what we said would happen. That's exactly what we said would happen. No, I was actually a little sick last night. I went to bed at like 6:20. I tried to fight through, yeah, I tried to fight through the night Quill as long as I could because I was watching an incredible FSU Duke game. I went down to the wire. Bobby Buckets for FSU is a hell of a player but Duke ends up surviving. So I'm dialed into the acc. I'm trying to watch as much college basketball as I possibly can because on Sunday we have select your Sunday. We have the, the, the selection day for the NCAA tournament. We have Oscars. Red carpet. We'll get into that in a little bit. But also I kind of think that this is like a niche interest Equinox. That's going on on Sunday too because we mentioned there's Indian Wells, there's left turns in Las Vegas, there's the players going on as well. You got AEW Revolution. There's a lot going on on Sunday.

[Dan Le Batard]

All right, there you go. So Dave, you know about select your Sunday.

[Dave]

I do know about it as a matter of fact. I'll be a part of it, friend. I'm going to be joining the the live stream. Excited for that. Yeah, I think that Selection Sunday, even though my interest in college basketball has dipped a little bit, like I think Everybody in these U.S. united States would agree with me. About that. I think it remains in the top three greatest sporting events that involves no actual sport. The selection Sunday along with the NFL draft, the NBA draft lottery selection. That's up there. Yep.

[Dan Le Batard]

That's fun.

[Dave]

I think NFL draft. I think those would be your top three. Right.

[Dan Le Batard]

All right, so Sunday. And what time are we starting? What is it, 5:45 Eastern? 5:45pm Eastern. You could check us out YouTube live. All right. Select your Sunday. We're going to have a lot of fun. It's going to be something for everybody to do on Sunday night. Everybody's normally bored on Sunday night. You don't have to be bored now. This weekend we got a great show on Sunday night. Plan for everybody but Jeremy.

[Dave]

I.

[Dan Le Batard]

So the Miami Heat have won seven in a row. They are nine games over.500. Pella Larson was great last night. Career high 28. Jacob, he looks like that's new. Go on Drugic.

[Jeremy]

That kid is good.

[Dan Le Batard]

Well, no last name. Pell Larson was my boy. I think so. I don't normally have favorite players anymore. Like, like, do you have a favorite player on the teams that you love?

[Mike]

No, I'm 34.

[Dan Le Batard]

Right, exactly, exactly. I don't have favorite players anymore.

[Tony]

Really?

[Jeremy]

Sam Bennett's my favorite Panther.

[Tony]

I kind of. That's how I enjoy the NFL now since I don't have a team. It's like I just root for certain players and the NBA is a lot like that.

[Dan Le Batard]

That's the standard, especially for the younger crowd.

[Tony]

Yeah, you'll have your Steph Curry fans and they'll follow him wherever. That's why you have your LeBron fans that have been Heat fans, Laker fans, Cavs fans, and they just move along with them. It seems like pretty unique to soccer in the NBA in this country.

[Dan Le Batard]

Like, Dave, do you. Do you still have favorite players on your favorite team? I don't mean like, oh, I love watching, you know, Patrick Mahomes. You're a Steeler fan. Do you have a favorite player on the Steelers?

[Dave]

I guess I do. I was struck by Tony, who's on the younger side of things, saying that he's a 34 year old man. I thought that the newer generation of people all vibed in that direction versus team brand.

[Mike]

No, no, I agree. I agree, Dave. My thing is I don't like, like, I like the Heat, but I'm not sitting there being like, man, I really love Bam. He's my favorite player.

[Dan Le Batard]

That's how I feel.

[Mike]

I don't. I don't have that. Like, I have. Oh, I really like watching Steph Curry play or Jokic play or, you know, whomever. But I don't sit there and be like, my favorite guy is Pella Larson.

[Jeremy]

Can a 28 year old have a favorite player?

[Dan Le Batard]

Yes. Yes. I think 28 is still a good age for me. For me, it started about 10 plus years ago. I'm 45, right? I know I look younger because I got like a Benjamin Button going, but about 10 years ago, I got to a point where I don't, I don't have favorite players anymore because it's weird to me. For a guy who's younger than me, oh, you're my favorite. Even though, like, I'm a lot older than you, like that's weird to me. You know what I'm saying, Dave?

[Dave]

I do get it. But also, I think this is what players fall into all the time, is that they think, oh, fans, you know, on social media and otherwise, in back slaps wherever I go and everything else. But when push comes to shove, it is always interesting to see the player get surprised when the fan base turns on him in favor of the team brand. When there's contract negotiations afoot and I might hold out and not deliver services, it's. I'm always struck by the players being surprised by the fan reaction. Like, wait, I thought you guys had my back.

[Tony]

Like, no, no.

[Dave]

We want the team to win, man. And you're hurting our ability to win games. We want you to sign, we want the team to pay you out until you start refusing to deliver services. Then we are going to turn on you because you're hurting our team. It is a funny, a funny dynamic that I think plays out in the 21st century all the time here, the players feeling betrayed by the fans, listeners.

[Jeremy]

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[Dan Le Batard]

It's a good algorithm. This is the Don Levatar show with the stugats. Yeah, so I am with Tony where like I got To a point where I don't have favorite players anymore. But. But I think Pell Larson is my favorite player on this Heat team, which is weird because I'm, like, 25 years older than him. But, yeah, Pell Larson, I think, is my favorite player on this team. He was awesome last night. But. But what I do want to say is I'm. I'm really excited about the Heat right now because they've been playing great and there's fun things going on with them right now. And for just the second time in two years, I'm going to a Heat game Saturday night.

[Jeremy]

Big game. Big game or not a big game,

[Dan Le Batard]

everybody knows that's a big game. I don't want to do spoiler alert for Zazlow Show 2.0 today, but that's a big game. Heat Magic Saturday night. So I'm going Saturday. I'm taking my younger son because he's way into the Heat these days, and I want to.

[Mike]

Who's his favorite player? Because he's in the age of having favorite players.

[Dan Le Batard]

Well, I'll. I'll get to that. Like, I. I have an explanation for that. Very good question, though, Tony. Put that in the holster. So Saturday night, going to the Heat game. Heat magic battle for fifth in the Eastern. That's right. Don't laugh at that.

[Jeremy]

They're both two and a half back and forth, by the way.

[Mike]

I gotcha. I got you. It's just funny when you have the buildup. It's a big game. They're tied for fifth.

[Dan Le Batard]

That's right. So. So Saturday night, I will be making my second appearance in just two years at Kaseya Center. It is very, very exciting. Everybody come and say hello. I love you long time. So I have to.

[Dave]

I have to. I have. I'm sorry to interrupt. I. I really. My head spinning. The announcement in the last four minutes of this show is that it's weird or childish to have favorite players in sports. I'm confused.

[Dan Le Batard]

No, no. I think on, like, there's a difference between your favorite players to watch. Like, in the league, I love watching Wemby. He's my favorite to watch. And having a favorite player on your team where, like, you're a little kid and you got to buy his jersey.

[Tony]

I'm with Dave.

[Dave]

I think. I think the former is weird. Like, I just root for guys. Like, it's like, he's good, and so I like to root for greatness. I think those people are the weirdos, because where that delivers you is why do we have to debate these things about LeBron versus Jordan. Okay, that one's a little tired. But. But why do we have to try?

[Dan Le Batard]

I haven't heard that.

[Dave]

Can we just. Can't we just. Can't we just agree they're both great? No, we can't do that. What are we doing then? What is our role in the entire operation if we're not having those sorts of debates to figure out? By the way, I don't know if everybody's noticed that every league has a. Awards a title at the end of it to try to define who the best is, and then they do an MVP for individual greatness. Why are we trying to get away from. It's too much. Why do we have to figure out who's better? Because that's the whole point of what we're doing. That's why we do the sports in the first place.

[Tony]

I was made to feel a little embarrassed, and there was consensus in this studio that everyone's like, yeah, you have your favorite team. You don't have a favorite player. I'm like, damn, I feel like a dork for loving Matthew Kachuk. He's my favorite Florida Panther. I'll just shrink in over here. I guess I'm a child.

[Jeremy]

It was once they pointed out of the player being younger than you.

[Dan Le Batard]

That's weird.

[Jeremy]

Started to feel. But I'm still with Mike. Like, I have a favorite player, but I am older than.

[Tony]

Am I a creep for liking every Malachi? Tony Post, he's 18.

[Dave]

And is the opposite then true? Do I have to like everybody? Is it like I have to like everybody the same then? Is that.

[Mike]

No, this isn't communism, because you can

[Dave]

like whoever you want, have a favorite. Well, if I can't have a favorite, if it's weird for me to have a favorite, then I can't have least favorites either. Right? That's kind of what you're saying. They're all the same. And then that takes us into the Jerry Seinfeld. Well, now I'm just rooting for the laundry. Unsatisfied.

[Mike]

That's what we do, though. We do root for the laundry. We have an entire dedicated March Madness rooting for laundry.

[Dave]

Not Mike Ryan. Mike Ryan stopped rooting for an entire brand because he didn't like that individual.

[Tony]

And then I followed Baker story.

[Dave]

It's exactly right.

[Tony]

Yeah, I followed Baker. I stopped rooting for the laundry and started rooting for the guy. And now that more Miami Hurricanes are going to be drafted higher and more prominently, I'm going to be like a procanes. Guy rooting for my boy Cam.

[Mike]

We've always kind of been a procaine.

[Tony]

Yeah. We just haven't had the procanes.

[Dave]

I know, it's crazy. This is. I'm going to say something. I hope you guys don't think less of me, even though both of these people are younger than I am. Maybe I shouldn't say it too loud because it's embarrassing. I like Sidney Crosby on the Pittsburgh Penguins more than I like Billy Koivan in on the Pittsburgh Penguins. Does that make me. Is that crazy? Yes. That make me a weirdo.

[Tony]

What the hell? I'm a huge fan of Eric Carlson. I've been following him like I like watching him play. I tune into all his games. I kind of feel some kind of way now that he's not playing as well. Even though he's had a nice little bounce back and he's with the Pens.

[Dave]

Oh, very good.

[Tony]

I generally don't like the Pens, but when he was an Ottawa senator, I would buy Carlson T shirts. I do like players. I like tuning in. I love watching Macklin Celebrini. I think there are certain players that are appointment celebrity.

[Mike]

Come on.

[Dan Le Batard]

All right, so this is a very controversial.

[Dave]

I take Celebrini for my lumbago. Is that a disease? Lumbago.

[Dan Le Batard]

That sounds like one very controversial start to a Friday show. But since we have not spoken to Dave yet this week, there was big reactions last night at the Heat game from Eric Spoelstra. Bam at a bio because they're at the center of the controversy over the last couple days. Dave, before we hear from them, because this is the first time we've gotten to hear from Spo and Bam since the 83 point game on Tuesday night. Dave, how did you experience what took place with Bam at a bio before

[Dave]

SPO and Bam, which out of context sounds funny that we're going to hear from them.

[Dan Le Batard]

This is.

[Dave]

And I don't want to get hyperbolic early on a Friday, but I'm. I'm going to say what I feel. This is move over tan suit. I don't know what else. This is the dumbest controversy that I can recall in my lifetime. I mean, what.

[Dan Le Batard]

What the hell?

[Jeremy]

Where.

[Dave]

What is exactly the thing here that Bam needs to apologize?

[Eric Spoelstra]

This is.

[Dan Le Batard]

This is the ty.

[Dave]

And by the way, when we talk about rooting for players, that's what's at the root of it. People are offended for Kobe Bryant. Right? I mean, that's what's at the root of all this is people are puffing Their chest out. You hurt my feelings because I want Kobe to have this, this, this record. Not. Not Bam in a game that doesn't really matter. I mean, do we have to take away. Because it hurts football fans feelings. Like I like Larry Zonka better than I like Timmy Smith from Washington who broke the super bowl rushing record. It's not right that he has 204 Super bowl rushing yards. Take it. This is the most bizarre thing that people continue to buzz about days and days after the fact. And by the way, the other thing that people keep skipping over is it's not even a record.

[Dan Le Batard]

Of course.

[Dave]

It's the craziest.

[Dan Le Batard]

Right.

[Dave]

Controversy I've ever seen.

[Dan Le Batard]

Right. Of course. So. So last night, Eric Spoelstra. This is before the game last night. It's his first availability since the game on, on Tuesday night. And, and granted, he spoke after the game on Tuesday night, but that was before we had 48 straight hours of people shitting on Bam and shitting on the Heat and shitting on Eric Spoelstra. So here's Eric Spoelstra just straight up telling everyone, you're not getting an apology.

[Eric Spoelstra]

I apologize to absolutely no one, period. And you know, going into the game, you know, it's, it's a Tuesday night game against a team where they're not playing for anything, where their organization is trying to lose. We've already lost a game, you know, in that kind of situation, we have players that are sitting out. And I spoke to Bam about I want as our best player and team captain, for him to be locked in and ready. And he sure was.

[Dan Le Batard]

I, I think a lot of people really enjoyed Eric Spoelster last night because they're there and, and there's more from him. But he was saying a lot of the quiet things out loud, and I think a lot of people really appreciate it. But I liked how he started there in that clip saying how I'm going to apologize to no one. And that part is important to me because I think maybe, I think maybe when the national folks, be it media or fans, when they talk about Heat culture and you know, we heard the other day, which I found very offensive, Tim McMahon from ESPN, who's a very good NBA reporter, but talking about how Heat culture's dead now, I don't ever want to hear it like that. That was offensive to me. All right. But I think what a lot of people are missing about what Heat culture is and what Heat culture means, it's them not caring about anyone else outside the building. It's them not caring about what anyone else thinks, how anyone else feels, and they do what is best for them and what they care about in that building. I mean, how many times does Eric Spoelscher. One of his go to phrases, right, is we're not for everybody. That's one of his lines. We're not for everybody. That is Heat culture. They don't care about what everyone else is saying. And so I feel like we. We haven't talked about that part enough. So I'm glad that he pointed that out.

[Mike]

You could kind of say the opposite of this is not he culture. And Tim McMahon saying like, he culture is dead. All that stuff. It's like the antithesis of that. Like, this is exactly what he culture is. Is getting your guy a record, getting your guy to do something that only one other doing what makes sport is

[Dan Le Batard]

doing what's best for us. Yes.

[Dave]

Yes.

[Mike]

And he quoted Conor McGregor at the beginning. I'd like to take the chance to apologize to absolutely nobody. And, like, that's how you got to play it.

[Jeremy]

Once both talked, like, the entire time about the respect that he has for Bam and how this is so not the player that Bam is, not from the skill set perspective, but more from the. He is someone who was always just sacrificing for the team. Everything he does is about the team, Team, team, team, team. So on a night where he could make it about the celebration of the individual player, about the celebration of the captain, he said, I would do anything for Bam. Like, period, as his head coach, I would do anything for Bam.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah. So let me give you a little bit more of Eric Spoelster here. And one thing that certainly Heat fans noticed, everyone in the building had an amazing time. And here's Eric Spolsher on the fans

[Eric Spoelstra]

going back and forth. You know, at the end, all that happened under two minutes. He was already 76 deep at that point, and damn right we're going to go for it at that point.

[Dave]

Point.

[Eric Spoelstra]

So I've seen, you know, people, you know, say, you know, you've got to be a purist. I'm a Darwinist. In this league, really, you can do anything you want in this game. You can approach it however you want. If we get criticized for what we do, it was probably irony. In these, these two organizations, there's nothing wrong with what they're doing. If. If you can, you know, tank and get a great draft pick, I don't care. Like, you can do anything you want. And this league, you can approach it however you want. We don't do that. And you know we have the 13th pick. Do something that you're trying to get out of the number one pick. You know, I've seen teams hack a Shaq. Debate it, not debate it.

[Dan Le Batard]

Who cares?

[Eric Spoelstra]

You can do whatever you want. You foul three point shooters. Not foul three point shooters. You can take the last shot in a game that's already over or don't take it. Who gives a damn?

[Dan Le Batard]

Dave, that's a good line right there. If you noticed where we're we're doing with the 13th pick. That being Bam. We're doing with the 13th pick. What they the Wizards are trying to do with the number one.

[Jeremy]

I thought that you were the line of everyone saying I should be a basketball purist. I'm a Darwinist in this league.

[Mike]

I don't like that.

[Dave]

Oh, I do like that.

[Mike]

You know what you're talking about, communist.

[Dave]

I do like that.

[Tony]

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[Dan Le Batard]

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[Mike]

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[Dan Le Batard]

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[Mike]

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[Dan Le Batard]

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[Dave]

By the way, the thing about Heat culture, I think to some degree it's suspended by the fact that Eric Spoelstra and I don't think we talk nearly enough about this looks exactly the same as when we first met him 20 something years or so ago. And I think that's the through line even more so than Pat Riley who somehow had the Wilford Brimley looks exactly the same as we always knew him for a long long time until recently. Now he looks a little bit older but now Spoelstra the same thing. I think that's what maintains that was gives us the perception that the Heat are unchanged. But either way I think we just you know how we asterisk things like well that happened in a 16 game schedule or 17162 games versus 154. We now need a snowflake for the ones that when people don't like it like well I don't like that bam. Adebayo has has more single single point game had more points in a game than Kobe. So let's put a snowflake next to him from now on. Would that make sense? Would that make everybody feel better?

[Dan Le Batard]

Better than an asterisk, I guess. Here's ears. Okay, now let me set it up a little bit better. Here's Eric Spoelstra about the fans.

[Eric Spoelstra]

Our fan base is electrified by this moment. This locker room has wanted something. You know, I joked about it after the game, but I texted even a little bit with Dwayne afterwards and you know, he's talking about, about that, that buzz. Well, there's going to be a buzz now. There will be a responsibility to that buzz. Good. You know, I want there to be pressure, you know, on our team. I, I'm banking on that bringing out another level, you know, for, for our group. And you know, we're trying to seize a moment right now.

[Dan Le Batard]

So I could tell you, you know, I experience, Dave, I experience sports a lot nowadays through the eyes of, of, of my teenage boys. Okay. So it's a bit of a different experience and it's a great different experience and what's happened as a result. I watched the game the other night with my 14 year old who has really just started to get very into sports over the last like year plus. Okay? So while he still loves sports, he's, he's still learning the nuances and that kind of deal. So there's so, so that's really fun experiencing that with him. But as a result of Bam's game the other night, he is so pumped now about the Miami Heat. He, he, he can't believe that he saw bam Adebayo score 83 points. He can't stop talking about it.

[Jeremy]

I will say, as somebody who, I would say I'm of all of us in here, I'm a casual Heat fan. Last night, first game, I tuned in

[Dan Le Batard]

for like the pregame show.

[Jeremy]

I don't know, there was just something about coming off of that game.

[Mike]

And you watched the whole game?

[Dan Le Batard]

No, then I watched the whole game.

[Jeremy]

But I watched, I saw tip off, I saw Jeremy do his report, secret report about the jersey that they were selling. Thanks, man.

[Dan Le Batard]

But there have to be like other kids. Like my son can't be the only 14 year old who now is like, I want to go to the game on Saturday night. And I, I keep Bam's incredible.

[Mike]

Imagine like the Big Three spurred so many young kids that were like, oh, wait a second, like this is basketball now. It's like, no, this is the Holy Land. This is like the Holy Grail right now. But a lot of kids were birthed into that. And now using the 83 point games, the springboard, it's like, that'll just draw more kids under the tent to be like, oh, wow, this is really cool.

[Jeremy]

And it does it for the team. Like, I was talking to some of the guys in locker room before the game and Fontechio said it and, and Pella said it after the game, which is like they were just, they were looking for a moment that could bring them back to the conversation in the league. Because winning a few games in a row was, you know, it was doing it in part, but at the beginning of the year when it was, oh, they're, they're playing with all of this pace. Everybody was in on it, they were winning some games and they were in the national conversation. And then things sputtered and nobody cared. This brought them back into it and it happens to coincide with the seven game win streak. And now all of a sudden, oh, they're the highest scoring team in the league and they're winning seven games in a row. And Pellow Larson setting a career high, which, by the way, look, I may not have been sidelined to interview Bam after his career high, but I did get to interview a player after their career.

[Dan Le Batard]

We'll always remember that journey.

[Jeremy]

And I will always remember the night Pella Larson. Please don't tell us the Pella Larson story again where you recognized him.

[Dan Le Batard]

Oh, you, you want to, you want

[Jeremy]

to hear the Pelosi?

[Dave]

No, don't.

[Jeremy]

I came in here and I told all of you. No, I. Well, I watched the red, white and pink scrimmage. There it is during his rookie season. And I will never forget that in the fourth quarter of this scrimmage, there's about three minutes left to play and Pella Larson draws a charge underneath the basket. And when he draws that charge, the way Eric Spoelstra's face lit up, I've never seen it. I haven't seen it.

[Dan Le Batard]

I hadn't seen it then.

[Jeremy]

I haven't seen it since. It's one of the most impressive things I've seen. And I told all of you, buy your stock in Pella Larson, then you should have bought it.

[Dave]

What I think is weird is this is sort of quintessentially Florida stuff, isn't it? Because Jimmy Johnson's canes used to get a lot of, got a lot of heat, pun intended, for running up the score. And Steve Spurrier, the old ball coach with the Gators at the height of their powers, would run up the score and people would get miffed about this. And so now it aligns with, like I say, Florida sports that. That people are raw about Bam. But the distinction here is this happened in the NBA and that's what. That's what SPO is talking about. That, you know, Darwinism and all that. This was an NBA sanctioned game. I get that it's unsatisfying when you look at college football. Historic numbers that like Robbie Bosco at BYU in the ma. In the wack. He has way more passing yards than guys from credible conferences and all that. This was an NBA game. I don't even know what to make of this, this so called controversy. It's the weirdest one, like I say, I've ever seen in my life.

[Dan Le Batard]

So how about bam? Bam. Now got to respond to all the criticism that he has also heard over those 48 hours for the couch coaches. I mean, if you're in my shoes and you have. First of all, y' all are blaming me. You should be blaming the head coach. Get that first. I was not the one letting me go one on one the whole game until I started. Until I had 70. And then you started to send a double. At that point, I got 70 with like what, nine minutes left to go in the game. You think I'm not going for it? Like, like. And that's the thing that's crazy when they talk about the unethical part of the basketball. I'm like, If I have 70 with nine minutes to go, who. Who would just be like, you know, coach, just take me out. Yeah, right. Anybody in my shoes with nine minutes left. Okay, a minute. All right, nine. Yeah, I'm going for it.

[Tony]

These are incredible building blocks for Jay Lucas next season as he takes the reins as Miami Heat head coach. According to Jay Williams.

[Dan Le Batard]

Whoa, hold on. What did Jay Williams say?

[Tony]

Jay Williams on the ACC broadcast yesterday when Miami beat Louisville and close game. Yeah, it was a close game. I mean, it was a one and a half all.

[Dave]

The acc.

[Tony]

Yeah, it was.

[Mike]

Clemson got a big win.

[Tony]

Yeah, those. Those two teams, like they go to war with one another every time they play. But Miami beats Louisville, advances, plays Virginia today in the semifinal. Three and a half point dog, according to DraftKings Sportsbook. But yesterday a lot of people perked up who had the sound on at around like 2:45. Like, wait, what, what did Jay Williams just say? Jay Williams. And this was kind of weird that he did it like this because I haven't heard these rumblings that Jay Williams has heard. Jay Williams said rumblings out of Miami that if Eric Spoelstra were to step a Side, Jay Lucas would be the replacement. Now, let's what? I think this is all absurd.

[Dan Le Batard]

Well, does Jay Williams mention there to the national audience that there's a major Duke, Miami Heat connection?

[Tony]

Well, he didn't, which is why I say you shouldn't just dismiss this. The part that you need to dismiss is there are no rumblings. We would have heard those rumblings. This is the first time we've heard anything like this.

[Dan Le Batard]

Bo look like a guy who's playing a set of Step aside.

[Tony]

Well, Jeremy and I were talking. You were in the group chat too. Like, I mean, SPO seems to love coaching and it would be a real shock. And he just got named Team USA head basketball.

[Jeremy]

That's really what convinced me more than anything. Like, he. Look, we've talked about it it here. Like, spo's gone through a lot in the last couple of years, but not only is he a basketball sicko when it comes to coaching, and I know he has further aspirations than just going to championships without LeBron and Wade and Bosh, but it's also the fact that he was just named the head coach of Team USA basketball for 2028.

[Tony]

Right. And he could do. He could step aside as Heat head coach and technically continue on as international coach. Like, this is something that happens in. And it's kind of weird that the NBA allows that. Where in international soccer you don't see someone coaching a club and country, they usually focus on one. Granted, international basketball is different and Team USA Basketball is different, but here's where we can't just dismiss it and where I do think it's a little bit of a juicy one. And it led to some interesting conversations. Spoelstra has had a lot going on in his personal life recently. He had the divorce, he had the cancer battle with one of his children. He just had house burned down. I assume that's a lot of moments of reflection. All right. But like you were alluding to Zaz, Nick Harrison was a team manager for Duke. I assume Nick Harrison and Jay Williams have some sort of relationship. Now, I don't know if that's where this came from, but you have to mention Nick Erison's Duke ties. Jay Lucas also Duke ties. And Dan has said several times on this show, and I think Dan is as plugged in as anybody on the Miami Heat. The natural replacement for Pat Riley when he were to move out of this team president role, whenever that may be, would be Eric Spoelstra. Now, we just kind of assumed SPO would do both. Like, he's gonna do all three things,

[Dan Le Batard]

you know, like Pat did.

[Tony]

Like Pat did. But the way that the NBA is going, Brad Stevens at the peak of his coaching powers, decided, I'm just gonna go to this front office role and count on and do that and hire a head coach. And they've had plenty of success. There's. So while I'm saying I haven't heard these rumblings, and I also would bet my bottom dollar that SPO is not leaving the head coaching position, I would say we can't totally dismiss this out of pocket because of the Duke connections and the fact that we can kind of see this thing coming to fruition. If SPO were really just ready for

[Dan Le Batard]

a change, I think what we could probably dismiss, though, is Jay Lucas. His next stop is not going to be the Heat. Like, whatever the next stop is. Because. Because maybe it will be the Heat at some point, his next stop. Like, there's going to be something in between.

[Mike]

But what if there isn't? What if the. What if the play is long, long term, like, hey, stay with Miami. This is coming in the next couple of years. You build a foundation, you build a powerhouse there. All of a sudden when it's time, you're right down the street.

[Dan Le Batard]

I don't think that that plan gets off track. If he goes and coaches another school. Like, that plan is all can always be there.

[Tony]

Yeah. Everyone just speaks with the assumption that Jay Lucas is not going to be here in Miami and Coral Gables.

[Dan Le Batard]

You're the one who speaks that.

[Tony]

No, no, I have that. I'm actually the I. In hearing some of Jay Lucas's interviews and knowing that we're in a different era now and seeing what he just did in one year. And also, we have to keep in mind Miami is removed from consecutive years where they were an elite A team. And a final four team like, this is a pretty good spot for Jay Lucas to be. I'm not just. I'm not one of those people that are resigned to him going to Kentucky.

[Mike]

Let's say, close your eyes, exhale, feel

[Dan Le Batard]

your body relax, and let go of whatever you're carrying today.

[Dave]

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[Dan Le Batard]

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[Dave]

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[Dan Le Batard]

Oh, sorry.

[Tony]

Namaste.

[Dan Le Batard]

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