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Mike Ryan
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Dan LeBatard
This is the Dan Levatar show with.
Chris Cody
The Stu Guts Podcast. Oh, yeah. Welcome to the Dan Lebatard show. Sans Dan Lebatard. But don't worry, I got you. I'm here with my dog, Hawk. And it's not just him. We got a whole bunch of people. Give me some music. Chris in the EP chair.
Dan LeBatard
Oh, this is nice.
Chris Cody
It's Chris Cody, AKA Christmas Cody, AKA Big Red.
Roy Bellamy
Am I supposed to say anything? Nope.
Dan LeBatard
Back to you.
Chris Cody
Hoot. Hoop was good. I like that next to him, we got Roy the Iceman, AKA the boy toy, Roy Bellamy.
Mike Ryan
Sup.
Chris Cody
In the back row behind Roy, we got Jessica Smetana, AKA Smetty Wap, AKA Trap Queen.
Dan LeBatard
Smety Gang.
Chris Cody
Why you still dabbing, Smeti gang?
Dan LeBatard
We dab forever.
Chris Cody
Yeah.
Andrew Hawkins
Just waiting for them to put me on.
Chris Cody
Oh, there it is. There it is. Dabbing. I see you. Let's go across from them. We'll jump that. We got my guy, my security blanket, Charlie Kravitz, AKA the Vanilla Snack. Hit him with a salute. What up, Curly? Justin. Timber. Fake.
Dan LeBatard
Let's go.
Chris Cody
And our number one go to guys. The quickest man in history. Quite possibly the most talented dude in this building right now. He also dressed like he care about himself, which I appreciate, which is rare for the Levitage show.
Dan LeBatard
What?
Chris Cody
It's Andrew the Hawk Hawkins. Baka.
Dan LeBatard
Let's go.
Chris Cody
And Mike. I thought that was Mike.
Dan LeBatard
I thought that was Mike's intro until you said Hawk. I'm like, man, he is quick. Quick as a whiff.
Andrew Hawkins
The fastest man to do what I.
Dan LeBatard
Don'T care about myself. He's witty.
Chris Cody
Oh, man. Hey, guys, gotta have a good show today. I want to start with some football because it's me and Hawk in here.
Dan LeBatard
Let's talk ball.
Chris Cody
Talking football.
Dan LeBatard
Real ball knowers in here.
Chris Cody
And it's the only sport that like this country really cares about. All the other sports are tertiary. There's one sport that's Maine and that's football. And we finna get some more of it, supposedly. So Hawk, 18 games.
Dan LeBatard
I don't get. I don't see a lot of supportive faces at that comment. Yeah, it was smetty went right to the laptop. Roy was checking his emails. It's like, I feel good about it.
Mike Ryan
It's like a niche sport equinox going on recently, especially down here in South Florida.
Dan LeBatard
Yeah.
Chris Cody
So don't start with football.
Dan LeBatard
But we like, if it was. If it was in terms of like country nil football.
Chris Cody
Yeah.
Dan LeBatard
Would take like 80% of the pot, right?
Mike Ryan
It does in actual nil.
Dan LeBatard
Yeah.
Chris Cody
So it also contributes 100%.
Dan LeBatard
I guess it doesn't need an analogy.
Chris Cody
You're right. You want to start with some niche sports Equinox, like.
Dan LeBatard
No.
Chris Cody
Run the damn ball. Start with football.
Mike Ryan
Run the rock, FB dive.
Chris Cody
Yeah. So the 18 game thing is something we've been talking about for a while. Even back when you and I were in the league. They put it on the table in the 2011 negotiations and we promptly slapped that shit right off the table. But we knew it was coming back around because the NFL has a ton of power and leverage and money is what matters. So what are you thinking, hawk, about the 18 game schedule that the owners are now at the owner meeting and the breakers discussing it today?
Dan LeBatard
Number one, we're old as hell. Right. I think this is the overarching like lesson here is that we're all old, you guys as well. Not just me and Nick being fossil football players. Because when they introduced it, it seemed so ridiculous. But here's the tactic that the league always uses and it always works. I remember in, I think it was 2012, they were like, hey, we're gonna mandate that you wear knee pads.
Chris Cody
Oh yeah.
Dan LeBatard
And it was an uproar. And that sounds crazy. Everyone was like, what? We gotta wear knee pads. I'm gonna be so slow. And we like tried to revolt against having to put. And it's like little fake pads that you can't even see. But just the fact that we had to put them on because we didn't have to wear knee pads. It was just thigh pads. And you. And I don't think thigh pads were a thing. There was no thigh pads, no knee pads.
Chris Cody
We would rip the thigh pads out because the thigh pads were made of like cushioning around a tiny plastic plate and everyone would cut the plate out and just put the like plate in your thighs. Or wear nothing.
Dan LeBatard
Or wear nothing. So I just wore shoulder pads on a game day. That's it. Just shoulder pads and a helmet. I would wear a helmet. That was a smart thing to do. But I remember there being an uproar with all the players that they had to put these pads into their pants. And then over time as the league got younger and guys came in and it was just the norm, no one ended up caring about it by the time that I retired. And so that's the genius of the league. Introduce 18 games at a point where everybody says how ridiculous it is. But now for the guys that are coming into the league, the young guys, they've been hearing it so long, they know it's coming and it's not as big of a deal to them. I thought you.
Chris Cody
So I agree with that. As the league strategy and the league's other strategy is also be bigger and more powerful. Yeah.
Dan LeBatard
Also have all the leverage. Do you want money or not?
Chris Cody
Yeah. We could talk about it. I think we should actually get into how the increased revenue is going to be split because it's going to go disproportionately to the stars while the in quarterbacks While the people who are going to take the brunt of the wear and tear are not those guys. But I would like to also focus on how old we are because it's a good topic. You know what? I remember coming up and learning that at one point There was only 14 games and I was like, man, what, that's crazy. And to imagine that I played in the league, the league will soon have 18 games I would have played. Like, you think about that. You think about the players who played in a 14 game league. When we were in a 16 game league. I thought about them like they were like, yeah, fossilized. I am going to be a guy very soon. When they had 18 games and they could be like, oh, you play. They used to have 16 games. I'm like, yeah, we used to have 16 games.
Dan LeBatard
When did they have 14? Because I'm not going to lie, you just dropped that bomb on me live on air. I guess I assume when the Dolphins.
Mike Ryan
Went undefeated that at some point, yes.
Dan LeBatard
There were less games, but I never thought that there were like living people.
Andrew Hawkins
1978 was when they switched to 16.
Chris Cody
So we, we. Yeah. This is not the smart idea to talk about how old we are to start this show.
Mike Ryan
But it does actually help out people that are feeling old in that this finally gets us to the President's Day Monday super bowl hangover. So most of the nation, this is.
Dan LeBatard
How they're going to sell it.
Andrew Hawkins
They're going to be like, look, all the fans want Monday after the super bowl off you selfish players.
Dan LeBatard
Just like that. I'm in. I didn't think about that either. You guys. Well, you should work for the committee. Damn.
Mike Ryan
Well, you picked an industry and you're probably going to have to work that day.
Roy Bellamy
We've always had it off. Now we're not going to have it off.
Chris Cody
Shit.
Dan LeBatard
But I need it. It's okay that I have to work. I need more games.
Chris Cody
So there's a couple of different avenues that we could go down. And I think the idea of flooding the market with a product eventually has some sort of backlash is one way to go. But I don't feel like we got any takers. I was talking to Charlie about this yesterday and he looked at me like I was stupid because I. So I know how ridiculous it sounds that giving more football could be a bad thing because I know how much we all love football.
Dan LeBatard
Yeah.
Chris Cody
However, the final week of the season last year, there was a lot of trash on my TV screen.
Dan LeBatard
Yeah.
Mike Ryan
I think we're to the point where.
Chris Cody
We'Re gonna need two bye weeks now.
Mike Ryan
Wow.
Dan LeBatard
Oh, yeah. I like where your head's at, Roy.
Chris Cody
The two bye weeks is not gonna solve the fact that they're going to be more relevant games at the end of the season. And there's a possibility that we could get tired of football. Am I crazy or crazy, Chris?
Roy Bellamy
No, by week, Even by week 17 this year, I'm like, ah, I'm good on red zone. See you next week for the playoffs.
Dan LeBatard
Really?
Mike Ryan
I mean, there are going to be some seasons that we're going to ask ourselves, why'd we do this? The last three weeks of the season are meaningless, but then it's going to work out with the numbers, that there's going to be a crazy wild card chase, and you're still going to have that issue. But it's not like that hasn't existed. I mean, the jets have been playing terrible, terrible football the last month of the season. That hasn't really mattered for quite some time. Hawk, in your playing career.
Dan LeBatard
Thanks. Thanks for pointing that out.
Mike Ryan
I mean, you would take those trips to go to Jacksonville and you'd be like, all right, I guess. I guess we have to play.
Dan LeBatard
Yeah, no, for sure.
Mike Ryan
People did buy tickets.
Dan LeBatard
We could have just kept it centered at the organizations I played for or, like, generalized it. But I'm glad you specifically pointed out, Hawk.
Mike Ryan
I mean, if anyone in your career.
Dan LeBatard
If anyone has experience, there's been so many games. I've watched you, and I'm like, what has my life become?
Mike Ryan
How many games did you play where it was like, all right, this means something.
Chris Cody
So all week ones.
Dan LeBatard
Yeah, week ones were.
Mike Ryan
You'd get week one.
Dan LeBatard
You did the same intro Nick just did. It was me. Every week one with the Bengals, I played some meaningful games. Yeah, you made it to playoffs with the Browns. In my years, it was rough. It was a tough. It was a tough go.
Mike Ryan
It's tough. Like, before the leaves change, your season's done.
Dan LeBatard
Yeah, man, it's still hot outside. It's like, damn, who's first overall pick? They're saying next year. No, who?
Chris Cody
We go, who. Who am I going to meet?
Mike Ryan
I'm looking at mox in September.
Chris Cody
Yeah. I'm like, okay, I hope there's no hot receivers out there.
Dan LeBatard
It's like, there's not any really diminutive receivers that are super fast coming out, is there? Okay, good. Whew.
Chris Cody
I was fortunate enough to not have those situations, but, I mean, I guess I'm not a math major, but my thought would be that if you extend season there's more of a chance for you to end up with more teams that are out of it. And that's what I'm concerned about more than anything. And that aside, is it possible and like, this is a broader business question. Probably that there's a bunch of different ways to like kill a business and maybe I'm wasting my time and I'm going down a really ridiculous path. But one of those ways is always tied to greed.
Dan LeBatard
Yep. Over saturation.
Chris Cody
Yeah. And like, as we have the NBA and like, I know we're not going to 82 football games and we have Major League Baseball, I think we all acknowledge that the NBA would be far more entertaining if we had us a 60 game season.
Mike Ryan
But aren't we already. If there was a tipping point for oversaturation, wouldn't we have met it? It's not like ESPN covers the NFL. Like, yeah, I think all the time, even during the off season. We're just talking about one additional week. I really don't think it means ESPN covers the sport more.
Dan LeBatard
I think we figured it out. As you guys are talking, I think I've cracked the code because I remember and it's a bad take. I forget when it was, but Mark Cuban saying, pigs get fat, hogs get slaughtered. In 10 years, the NFL is gonna. And that is not the case. And even though we get like late in the season annoyed by bad football or whatever the situations are, the ratings are as big as they ever have. And it's because it's not greed if you're addicted. You know what I mean? Like, there's not like too much.
Chris Cody
That's a fair point.
Dan LeBatard
There's not too much like crack.
Chris Cody
There's never been a dope dealer on the corner.
Dan LeBatard
Yeah. It's like, man, how am I gonna move this? Illust.
Andrew Hawkins
This is also coming at a time where the NFL's finally agreed to let private equity invest in its teams for the first time.
Chris Cody
Yay. Private equity makes everything better.
Mike Ryan
Well, I mean, that's what's going to happen with the NBA with their European expansion. Certainly going to be happening in college football. Private equity has been sniffing around college football programs for years at this point. It's the reality of the situation.
Chris Cody
I guess to your point, Mike and Hawk and I both work at ESPN and we talk about football year round. So adding a week of more football, like we're going to be talking about it, whether their games are not, at least it'll be another week of a few meaningful games.
Mike Ryan
I guess I don't want to just like bypass what mark Cuban said 10 years ago. Because when he said it 10 years.
Chris Cody
Ago, it seemed right.
Mike Ryan
The league was facing issues. A lot of people put it on the Kaepernick stuff, but you had that going on simultaneously where the games just weren't good. Think of who the super bowl champion was. One year with the Denver Broncos quarterback play wasn't great. The league had to do something about the sport, and they did. And that's probably.
Andrew Hawkins
They got Taylor Swift to date Jason Travis Kelce.
Mike Ryan
That's exactly what they did. And honestly, that's where Roger Goodell earned his hefty salary. Because everyone was saying, fire Roger Goodell. He had the Ravens Ray Rice thing going on. It was, it was a league in turmoil, and they righted the ship big time.
Chris Cody
I mean, it was, it was also thought like we were coming out of the concussion stuff and people we, like, cared for a hot second, like, hey.
Dan LeBatard
Howard, it was a quick minute, wasn't it, that we cared.
Mike Ryan
And then remember playful football. Like, what do we do with this now?
Dan LeBatard
Yeah.
Chris Cody
And I remember. So, like, I guess we all have these things that you get, like, unreasonably attached to. And as someone who played in NFL, like, I'm like an NFL guy and I remember the Mark Cuban quote, and he called us hoggy. He's like, it's looking real hoggy.
Dan LeBatard
Like, who you talking about calling Hoggy Hoggy, bro? All of a sudden you start defending the things you've been standing up for as a PA President. Yeah.
Chris Cody
And I, I, I, I, I text Roger and was like, you know what? Take Christmas.
Dan LeBatard
Let's take Christmas.
Chris Cody
Let's take Christmas. Shut that man up. Take Christmas. From the idea when it first got put on the table, we slapped it off the table in large part because we wanted to make advancements in health and safety. But I think sometimes we touch on this from a union standpoint. We always assume that there are two parties, the union and the league, that are of equal power, that can have a negotiation. But once I heard 18 games was on the table and 18 games meant more money, I knew at some point the league was going to get it done.
Dan LeBatard
Yeah. Because too much money.
Chris Cody
The challenging part about it, though, is when you talk about adding more money and it's going to be a lot more money in the salary cap for everybody, which is nice, but it's all going to go to the quarterbacks and into the top level receivers.
Dan LeBatard
Yeah.
Chris Cody
Which is, I guess, why the NBA ends up with a max salary provision to make sure that the guys who are in the league that are also going to be in football's case, going to be taking the brunt of the injuries and hits and all that from this will get some of that.
Mike Ryan
May I ask you, was there ever any conversation. Running backs often find themselves in this very frustrating position because they'll just find a new one in the draft and replace you. And the statistical output above replacement at that position, you can find a lot of value. Was there ever any talk within the players association to have like salary floors for tenured players that excelled at their position? And also what do you do with a case study like Travis Hunter, who could potentially play two positions because the league tries to with the franchise tag, put you in a box.
Chris Cody
The franchise tag is exhausting for a lot of players. It helps out some players, but for most of them it gets in the way. And the idea of we have this conversation about a lot about running backs because the idea of positional value when you are so good that you're the centerpiece of the offense, like I would argue that Christian McAffrey at his peak is worth as much as any top receiver because the offense is built around him. To your point, there were a bunch of different proposals made in the union before we would take them to the league about how to protect salaries for specific groups. A salary floor was never one that was considered because the assumption is, particularly in the running back position, is if you raise a salary floor for a player, um, you're just gonna, you're gonna get them cut. Especially at a position that feels like the. It's pretty interchangeable. Some of the other things that were more. That were entertained more realistically was creating a separate pool just for quarterbacks. Because that was always the. The scary thing was like all the quarterbacks gonna take all the money. Ain't gonna be nothing left for any of us.
Dan LeBatard
And that's the truth. And that is how it goes. And that's the problem even with the. Because there's league minimums, like if you've been in the league so so long, it's like if you're an eight year and it's the same issue, it's okay, do I pay this eight year veteran to be a fourth, fifth receiver or do I just get a young guy who is half the price and maybe not as good, maybe not as seasoned, maybe can't step in as a pinch as a starter, but he can run down on kickoff and I'll take whatever the delta is on those two things. That's a lot of the issue. And it's such a system where even the owners, like that quarterback, is the face of the league. Because when you get into negotiations, you don't need all 1800 to see it your way. You need the faces that you've pushed and let me keep them happy. And if it's harder for them to fight because they don't want to walk away from 50 to 60 million dollars a year, then we'll always have the leverage we need to push it over the top.
Mike Ryan
Do you see the potential for collusion when it comes to someone like Travis Hunter who plays multiple positions? Who can play multiple positions? I know, speaking to a couple of personnel people, the teams like him at one specific position and it kind of feels awfully convenient for the NFL to not have that problem ever really pop up on their radar.
Chris Cody
Yeah, it's the. The Shohei situation where the NFL, there are these events that happen that you never expect to happen, but so you're not prepared for them. And Travis Hunter, I think would qualify for one. So I'm not sure how a team would actually handle it if Travis Hunter became a free agent. My assumpt is that they're not going to like, willingly pay him any surplus, even if he's the best corner and the best receiver in the league. They're going to use their leverage. They're going to use their franchise tag. They're going to use whatever leverage they have. The fifth year option. In order to avoid doing that, like, it's going to require Travis Hunter. My guess is, and I, we're going way into the future. But if Travis Hunter. Yeah, if Travis Hunter balls out for six years and plays on both sides of the ball and become. It's going to require him to actually sit out. Because what they're gonna do is be like, all right, best case scenario, you are the best receiver. We'll now pay you because receivers get paid more than corners. So we'll pay you higher, rightfully so.
Dan LeBatard
Continue.
Chris Cody
Sorry, dude. It's broke my heart. The reason why I hurt me is because I wanted to disagree, but I actually don't disagree.
Mike Ryan
Disagree by saying what's harder, though.
Chris Cody
Yeah, it's harder.
Mike Ryan
It's way harder. You know where you're going.
Chris Cody
I mean, you know what?
Mike Ryan
I only know where I'm going if I'm dropping in a zone.
Chris Cody
Be the teacher's heart too. They don't get compensated. No one gets compensated for how hard their job is. They get compensated for how valuable they are. And you know what? I'm sorry, Patrick. Certain. Very valuable.
Dan LeBatard
Justin Jefferson More valuable selling tickets out there, baby.
Chris Cody
I hate it.
Dan LeBatard
It is moving units.
Chris Cody
I hate it. When we had that argument about could NFL guys play in the NBA or NBA guys play in the NFL because.
Dan LeBatard
I fought the good fight, man. I was fighting hard.
Chris Cody
You did not fight the fight.
Dan LeBatard
I fought the fight. Cause I had to get on a united front. And then guys like you were just like, yeah, no, we ain't graceful enough. I'm like, come on, man.
Chris Cody
I couldn't. I couldn't. There's some things that I could bring myself to lie about, but if you've ever been around at basketball. I ran into Julius Peppers in Aspen, and he played basketball at Carolina.
Dan LeBatard
Can we get a Look At Me Leroy for that? Can we get a. You're on the board, so you gotta hit it.
Chris Cody
Oh, I don't know what, but. Oh, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.
Dan LeBatard
We don't gotta get into the whole look at Me Leroy situation. No, I think we should look at Me Louie. And there's plenty of black people named Louie Dan, if you're listening, Look At Me Leroy. And the voice that you use makes it feel a little bit more racist.
Chris Cody
Did you grab. You graveled it.
Roy Bellamy
That's a white guy, too.
Chris Cody
Hold on, hold on. He put some blues in it.
Dan LeBatard
That was country. I was a Nashville white dude, man. Which is okay. I'm just saying, if it's. If you're going to go, Leroy. To say this is for black people.
Chris Cody
Yeah.
Dan LeBatard
But probably got to Also diversify your VO's, get a new voiceover guy for it. If it was a black person, executive.
Mike Ryan
Order that said we keep the same guy.
Dan LeBatard
Oh, that's crazy. That's the part. That's what it is. If that was a black dude saying it, I wouldn't feel as like, I don't know about this.
Chris Cody
And it's not only that. It's not a black dude. He trying to. It feel like he put some pain in his voice.
Mike Ryan
Play one more time. Let me. Let me inspect this.
Chris Cody
Look At Me Leroy.
Dan LeBatard
Would it be less or more racist if it was hip hop behind it? If it was like, yo, look at Me Leroy.
Chris Cody
I think.
Mike Ryan
Would that be less like an 80s MC?
Dan LeBatard
Yeah. Okay.
Chris Cody
If you hear the A baby mama. Oh, look at Me Leroy.
Dan LeBatard
All right, from now on, only black guys or black girls on the show can hit Look At Me Leroy. Dan can't use that. It's a great. We'll use the sound bite. But only Roy or guests that are black can use the Look At Me Leroy.
Chris Cody
What if There has to be at least two people of African descent in the building. Because that's the part that throws me more than anything is, like, when it's one dude here and all you whites.
Dan LeBatard
It feels like an attack is out here.
Chris Cody
Like, look at me, Leroy. Ha ha. That's funny. High five. Like, no. If. If.
Andrew Hawkins
Let's be clear. This is not. This was not a collaborative effort to make this specific sound. This was one person.
Dan LeBatard
How did this come about?
Roy Bellamy
This was a 4am email from Dan saying, I want more than just look at me Louie.
Dan LeBatard
Was this an effort to, like, for diversity, equity, and inclusion? Yes.
Andrew Hawkins
He also wanted to look at me.
Roy Bellamy
Louise, which I think it's there. We got a whole list of them there.
Chris Cody
All right. Should I run through all the. Look, we.
Dan LeBatard
I don't feel like you should hit certain buttons. I'm going to be honest. I feel like I'm okay with you going. There's going to be a. Even Louie.
Mike Ryan
Cultural appropriation.
Dan LeBatard
There's a lot going on.
Mike Ryan
Just like not doing.
Dan LeBatard
I know so many black. Louis.
Chris Cody
That's true. We didn't have to. Like.
Dan LeBatard
I. Lou Armstrong is like the.
Andrew Hawkins
There's so many faces.
Dan LeBatard
The most famous Lou. I mean, Louis Armstrong is up.
Roy Bellamy
Lou Baccarat.
Dan LeBatard
He's up there. I mean, you see, every black mechanic I've ever went to is named Lou Farrakhan. Who's Lou Baccarat? I'm telling you.
Chris Cody
Lou Baccarat.
Dan LeBatard
Maybe the car dealership.
Mike Ryan
I know Burt Bacharach.
Dan LeBatard
Look at me. Look.
Mike Ryan
Did you just. Did you just make Burt Bacharach? Lou Bacharach? And like, everyone was like, yeah, I guess the creator of the card game.
Roy Bellamy
That guy.
Mike Ryan
You made a guy named Lou Bacharach? The most famous of Lou's.
Roy Bellamy
That was the joke. To be an obscure one down here.
Mike Ryan
It's not our cars.
Roy Bellamy
A couple people in South Florida are like, oh, that's a good one.
Mike Ryan
But this person exists.
Dan LeBatard
I don't even know who that is. I've never heard. I don't know.
Chris Cody
I was.
Mike Ryan
Burt Bacharach has a lot of hip hop influence.
Chris Cody
I was busy making people uncomfortable.
Dan LeBatard
Yeah.
Chris Cody
With my lyrics.
Dan LeBatard
I didn't even know where to go with that one. I ain't gonna lie. You know, I just wanted it to.
Chris Cody
Sit there, so I just wanted to sit there. You did it perfectly. I remember last I was down here, I was teaching David Sampson how to do a show. Gosh, I love being here with Hawk, man. It's so much easier. I don't got to teach this man how to react to when someone says something awkward or funny or silly. It's like, yeah, if you don't know what to do, shut up.
Dan LeBatard
That's it.
Chris Cody
Let it sit there. Because it then becomes funny.
Jessica Smetana
Why did you say that?
Dan LeBatard
That's the David, that was a damn good impression. Wow.
Chris Cody
Awesome. That didn't help the show.
Roy Bellamy
Chris, why'd you do that?
Dan LeBatard
I'm sitting here thinking, you're hitting buttons over here.
Andrew Hawkins
You redeemed yourself with that one.
Chris Cody
I see you, Big Red. Get him, Big Red.
Mike Ryan
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Jerbear
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Dan LeBatard
Don LeBatard.
Roy Bellamy
I mean, they used to call me Chris. Karaoke stugats.
Chris Cody
That back row is bringing it today.
Dan LeBatard
This is the Dan lebatar show with the Stugach.
Chris Cody
Did anyone ever call you Big Red?
Roy Bellamy
Go for it.
Chris Cody
I don't know. I didn't know you.
Jerbear
You're works.
Chris Cody
You're tallish. Red.
Dan LeBatard
Yeah. Red would be your football nickname.
Chris Cody
Absolutely. Sure.
Dan LeBatard
We should go through everyone's football because everyone gets a football nickname when you play. Early on, like my son is named Cali because he moved from California and for three years now he's just known as Cali. Nevermind that. He lived there for like eight months.
Chris Cody
It don't matter, you know, he's from.
Dan LeBatard
Ohio for sure, but he's known as Cali to everyone here.
Chris Cody
But that's because he lived there for eight months. That's eight months longer than everybody else on the football team.
Dan LeBatard
And I don't change it because as a football player who's playing in South Florida, to be knowing that you came from Cali to South. Come on, that's a scholarship waiting. So I let it rock. Yeah, it is. Make no mistake. I'm like, yes, we'll take that.
Chris Cody
I know like hockey nicknames is like you just add a Y to things, right?
Mike Ryan
Yeah.
Chris Cody
Or an S. Really? Yeah, I think so.
Dan LeBatard
Give me an example, because I don't. What is that? Like maybe Foxy. Yeah, Foxy. Okay.
Chris Cody
Foxy just bundled a bunch of pigeons. I don't know what that means.
Dan LeBatard
Okay.
Chris Cody
Is that racist?
Dan LeBatard
I don't know if I can. I don't know if it's racist.
Chris Cody
Absolute yard sale out there with the fellas, huh? What are you doing? I don't know what any of that means, but I loved it.
Dan LeBatard
Foxy.
Chris Cody
Yeah. I feel like football nicknames, sometimes you get a little Y action, sometimes you get a like the first syllable of your name. But you also, I think we do like the distinguishing characteristic.
Dan LeBatard
Yeah.
Chris Cody
Like if you're just move here from Cali, then you're going to be Cali. Or if you got a big head, you're going to be Noggin.
Dan LeBatard
Not that deep. Yeah, no, it's not.
Chris Cody
Yeah, no, but I mean, it's a. It's deeper than hockey nicknames.
Dan LeBatard
Hockey.
Chris Cody
Nick saves is lazy. Throw a Y on that thing. Yeah, we go. We go. Yeah, we go. Give you something else.
Dan LeBatard
But there's also not, like, politically correct at all.
Chris Cody
No, no, no, no.
Dan LeBatard
You can get into some dicey.
Chris Cody
Yeah. I was looking around this room and all the nicknames that I came up with when I. When it first came. Yeah.
Dan LeBatard
You got back into football mode, it was like. Okay. I can't say.
Chris Cody
Oh, yeah, I get.
Dan LeBatard
Yeah.
Chris Cody
On my show, Charlie and I have a rule where you can ask for permission to go back to the 90s.
Dan LeBatard
Okay.
Chris Cody
And if permission is granted, you get the full experience. You. You get to say things, but it's understanding only for 90 seconds. Yeah. You go back to 90s.
Dan LeBatard
That's a good 90 for 90. 90 for 90.
Chris Cody
And so in a text, I forgot I went back to 90s, so I just instituted that I can apply for retroactive 90s pardons because I. I was. Oh, Charlie, I. I know what we should do.
Dan LeBatard
Give it to me.
Chris Cody
We were bragging. I was. We were bragging about our Uber ratings, and so I was challenging Charlie to put his Uber rating up versus my Uber rating.
Dan LeBatard
Yeah.
Chris Cody
And so I don't want to. I don't want to spoil it. You know what we should do? I want everybody to go find your Uber rating. And I don't tell it. Don't yell it out, but I want everyone to find your Uber rating.
Roy Bellamy
I do Ubers for groups a lot.
Chris Cody
Oh, hush up.
Mike Ryan
Same excuse. Same excuse.
Dan LeBatard
All the points you just got from your. From your impersonation you lost, they're gone. Okay, I'm trying to give disclaimers before you pull out your Uber rating and control.
Mike Ryan
You ask for the ox cord. It's just, like, eight people there. One of them's gonna ask for the aux.
Chris Cody
All right, everybody find your Uber rating. Write it down, and I'm gonna do. Charlie, I would like you. Maybe we'll do it next segment to guess the order of everyone's Uber rating. So based on what you know about the people in here, I want you to guess the order of the Uber ratings. And I would like also people at home. We'll give you some time. Next segment. Or at work, wherever you are. Yeah, I want you to guess too.
Dan LeBatard
Hopefully at work.
Chris Cody
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, maybe. I mean, hopefully not.
Dan LeBatard
Hopefully not.
Chris Cody
Hopefully not at work.
Dan LeBatard
Yeah, man.
Chris Cody
No, do what you got to do. Right?
Dan LeBatard
Do your thing.
Chris Cody
What? I mean, what do people do? Listening to this show. Do you sit and watch it?
Dan LeBatard
Maybe you're. Yeah, I hope you're listening at work. That's better than right?
Chris Cody
I mean, I guess I don't know them.
Dan LeBatard
Pay you to listen to these funnies, man.
Chris Cody
In a new era of media, do you. Does anybody just sit and like. My kids will go on YouTube and actually just watch YouTube. Do people do that with this show? Where they put it on and like, full attention, I'm watching this. Or is it like a side screen action?
Andrew Hawkins
I've heard a lot of people say at places where YouTube's not blocked on their work computer, they'll like listen to it and sort of have it in the corner of their screen while they're working. A lot of people also say they listen on their way to work or from work.
Chris Cody
I want. I want some tweets. Some tweets of people showing us their setup or telling us what they do while they're listening to the show. And I also want some tweets of you guys guessing the list. You're gonna get a lot of toilets if you send in where you're listening to the show. That's fine.
Andrew Hawkins
Most common answer.
Chris Cody
I don't care. I'll be on Twitter. I just want some engagement, baby. Yeah, let it rock. But also, I'll give you the list of names in here if you're not watching so that you can make your own list at home. So. It's me, Andrew Hawkins. I'm Dominique Foxhurf. Andrew Hawkins.
Dan LeBatard
Yeah.
Chris Cody
You got Chris, Tony.
Dan LeBatard
Weird way to introduce yourself.
Chris Cody
It's me. I mean, I wish we already the.
Mike Ryan
D, O, double G. We did the intros.
Chris Cody
We did the intros.
Mike Ryan
But like, why are you redoing them?
Chris Cody
I'm not redoing them. I just was like, okay, it's fine. They remember.
Dan LeBatard
He's in his ESPN mode. They teach him at ESPN that you just keep repeating, which is jump in. They don't go back and listen.
Andrew Hawkins
I think one of our show's biggest flaws is sometimes we get so swept up in something that everyone is just confused. And sometimes you need to reset.
Dan LeBatard
Agreed.
Andrew Hawkins
Tell everyone what the assignment is.
Chris Cody
They all don't understand what we're doing.
Roy Bellamy
If we're doing this next segment, we can include Lucy, cuz she will be joining us.
Dan LeBatard
Oh, do we have a Look At Me Lucy.
Chris Cody
We should.
Dan LeBatard
That would actually make more sense in this whole look at Me Lucy.
Chris Cody
You see there's no gravel. I heard no gravel.
Roy Bellamy
Don't do my man Andrew Streeter like that.
Andrew Hawkins
No, they play it again.
Chris Cody
His name is Andrew.
Roy Bellamy
I just said his name. Maybe I shouldn't have done that.
Chris Cody
Yeah, probably not. Just threw him under the bus. Hold on. I'mma play. I'mma play Leroy and Lucy again. And this will determine whether Andrew took us back to the 90s or. Nah.
Dan LeBatard
Let's see what he did.
Chris Cody
Look at me, Leroy. He tried to make it deeper.
Dan LeBatard
The ending was a little.
Chris Cody
Ugh. Yeah.
Dan LeBatard
A little that to it. Let's hear Lucy real quick.
Chris Cody
It felt like he wanted us to believe he was the descendant of slaves. He clearly is not.
Mike Ryan
There was a producer in the control room saying, one more time with Stank.
Dan LeBatard
Put some Stank on it. Andrew, look at me.
Chris Cody
Lucy, you tried to defend my man, but my man brought no pain. There was no pain. That reminds me. So I. I mentioned that I. I saw Pep at Aspen, but on the flight home from Aspen, I. Julius Peppers.
Mike Ryan
We're resetting. Otherwise, I think it's Pen Guardiola.
Roy Bellamy
I saw Aspen.
Mike Ryan
No one's thinking Pep Hamilton.
Dan LeBatard
No one's very specific to me.
Chris Cody
Remember. Remember when Pep Hamilton got an interview just like a week ago?
Mike Ryan
He'll pop back up. He'll get back in the cycle.
Chris Cody
I love another game that we played last time I was here was Member Win. We gotta. At some point later, we gotta play Member Win. It's a great game.
Dan LeBatard
I like that.
Chris Cody
Is you just talk about things that happened that you think other people forgot.
Dan LeBatard
My man Pep. That was my office coordinator in 2016.
Andrew Hawkins
He's the OC at Maryland now.
Dan LeBatard
There you go.
Chris Cody
Go Terps.
Dan LeBatard
Go Terps.
Chris Cody
We got some Maryland topics coming up pretty soon.
Dan LeBatard
Also, when I was a kid, we had a.
Mike Ryan
Stay right there. Don't go anywhere.
Chris Cody
Don't you dare.
Dan LeBatard
We talk.
Chris Cody
Maryland.
Dan LeBatard
Terp sports, baby.
Mike Ryan
They were feisty against South Carolina.
Dan LeBatard
Hey, so when I was a kid, really quick to put a button on the nickname conversation that just came to me. We had a kid who didn't have a Pinky, and his nickname was Nubs. And to this day, we call him Nubs. But that's football.
Mike Ryan
Damn, man. So, I mean, usually in sports, they go the other way. They might just call him Pinky.
Chris Cody
I thought they'd call him Pinky and then they would call you the Brain, and he cut it short and become a thing. I love that show North.
Dan LeBatard
Same thing we do every night.
Chris Cody
Pinky try to take over the world. I.
Dan LeBatard
Which also makes you old for that reference.
Chris Cody
That's fine. I'm old. I'm good. I'm fine.
Mike Ryan
You can stay here for 90 seconds.
Chris Cody
We are in the 90s. Damn. So I got a few more seconds and I'll tell you about a nickname that I remember from my childhood. There was a kid in our class in like fourth or fifth grade that couldn't quite control his bladder and he peed on himself a lot. And his dad got him a Ninja Turtle watch that had a timer on it to remind him to go to the bathroom all the time. And so like through fourth, fifth grade, he peed on himself probably, I don't know, five to ten times. And so we called him PP Greg.
Dan LeBatard
Okay?
Chris Cody
That man was called PP Greg all the way through high school. I don't know where PP Greg is now, but he. Then it changed to his Pee Pee. He don't got no peas in his.
Dan LeBatard
Name, just Pee Pee.
Chris Cody
He in high school, he asking somebody to take him. Asking somebody, can he take her to the prom? And his name is PP that's crazy.
Dan LeBatard
Yeah, that's not a.
Mike Ryan
It's a damn shame, man.
Chris Cody
It's tough.
Dan LeBatard
It's messed up. My college nickname was Matchbox when I got to school because they were like, oh, you're like a little Matchbox. So literally everyone just called me Matchbox. Like, that was just my nickname awesomeness. It's like, hey, right on the nose with it, man.
Mike Ryan
Just like number 20. He's fast turned in on those white guys.
Dan LeBatard
Oh, man, could you imagine my fan base if I just went Matchbox 20, that's incredible. And then got a. A NASCAR deal as well and just had a 20 jacket. That's just.
Mike Ryan
It's a hot one.
Dan LeBatard
It had been a. Look at me, Leroy. Yeah.
Andrew Hawkins
Most famous.
Mike Ryan
Lou.
Andrew Hawkins
Are we still playing that game?
Dan LeBatard
What you got, Lou?
Andrew Hawkins
El Cinder.
Chris Cody
Oh, come on, man. Well, I mean, that doesn't count.
Mike Ryan
It's the only one that can, of course, compete with Garrett.
Andrew Hawkins
Garrett and Garrig up there.
Dan LeBatard
It's all connected, though, because he also changed his name.
Chris Cody
Yeah, I was about to say Luau.
Andrew Hawkins
Lewis. Lewis Hamilton. Most famous.
Mike Ryan
We can't. That's a different. Yeah, that's a different game.
Chris Cody
Luau. Dang. I heard a Dang.
Mike Ryan
But his name is Luau.
Dan LeBatard
Nickname Lulu. You know his. These nicknames are Louis. You gotta call him Lou. You got a one syllable that thing. Lou Will.
Chris Cody
Yeah, I just thinking of other nicknames from college that I would not. I'll tell you during the break. Okay, so that's the thing about the nicknames is Matchbox is a fire ass nickname. It is, but you can't ask like, how'd you get that nickname because I.
Dan LeBatard
Just always thought I was fast as hell.
Chris Cody
Yeah.
Dan LeBatard
That's how it was. The.
Chris Cody
You know, that's smart, because it's like.
Dan LeBatard
I got it because I was like, he's so fat. I'm sure they wouldn't call me Matchbox if I was getting strapped.
Chris Cody
Yeah.
Dan LeBatard
You know what I'm saying?
Chris Cody
We don't waste time getting nicknames. Yeah.
Dan LeBatard
You don't get nicknames as freshmen.
Chris Cody
I got. I had a pretty bad nickname in college, too, at first. So, like, I was a freshman, and I played pretty well as a freshman towards the end of the year. And there was a Jay Z song out at the time where they said little Bumba got a rod numbers. So one of my. An older safety started calling me Bumba. And then I learned that this means ass.
Dan LeBatard
Yeah.
Chris Cody
And I was like, no, that's not. I. I think that it came from a good place.
Dan LeBatard
Yeah. Yeah.
Chris Cody
The other nickname that I remember, where I was actually the butt of jokes, was one of my first jobs was a camp counselor. And it was, like, as a residential camp, and they had cabin leaders and counselors. And I was a younger person. I was 14. So I was a pretty unresponsible counselor. And the cabin leader was like, you know what I'm going to call you? A cabin leader in training. And I was like, that's tight. I'm responsible cabin leader in training. Then he started calling me by the acronym that's.
Mike Ryan
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Podcast Summary: The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Episode: Local Hour: The Dan Le Batard Show Sans Dan Le Batard
Release Date: March 31, 2025
Timestamp: 00:01 - 03:44
The episode begins with Mike Ryan promoting Gold Belly, followed by Chris Cody advertising Cuervo. Shortly after the ads, the show formally kicks off without Dan Le Batard, hence the title "Sans Dan Le Batard." Chris Cody takes the helm, introducing co-hosts and crew members with playful banter and nicknames:
Notable Quote:
Chris Cody: "This is the Dan Lebatard show with Stugotz."
Timestamp: 02:19
Timestamp: 03:49 - 18:25
The primary focus of the episode revolves around the NFL's proposal to expand the regular season to 18 games. The co-hosts delve into the implications of this change, drawing parallels with past league strategies and player experiences.
Key Points:
Historical Context and League Strategy
Player Fatigue and Season Length
Revenue Distribution Concerns
Potential for Over-Saturation
Private Equity Investments
Union Negotiations and Player Leverage
Notable Quotes:
Chris Cody: "If you extend the season, there's more chance to end up with more teams out of it."
Timestamp: 09:15
Mike Ryan: "The last three weeks of the season are meaningless, but then it's going to work out with the numbers."
Timestamp: 09:45
Timestamp: 21:00 - 23:32
A lighter yet contentious segment unfolds as the hosts discuss the use of the phrase "Look At Me Leroy," addressing issues of cultural appropriation and sensitivity.
Key Points:
Origin and Intent of the Phrase
Attempted Solutions and Suggestions
Backlash and Refinement
Notable Quote:
Dan Le Batard: "If that was a black dude saying it, I wouldn't feel as like, I don't know about this."
Timestamp: 21:55
Timestamp: 30:04 - 38:36
The hosts engage in an interactive game where listeners are encouraged to guess each other's Uber ratings based on their personalities and interactions. This segues into a nostalgic discussion about football nicknames from their playing days.
Key Points:
Uber Rating Guessing Game
Football Nicknames Exchange
Humorous Anecdotes and Stories
Notable Quotes:
Dan Le Batard: "You get nicknames as freshmen... You don't get nicknames as freshmen."
Timestamp: 36:40
Mike Ryan: "He's fast turned in on those white guys."
Timestamp: 37:56
Timestamp: 38:39 - 40:27
The episode concludes with ongoing humorous exchanges among the hosts, reflecting on past segments and teasing future content.
Key Points:
Continuation of "Look At Me Leroy" Game
Teasing Future Segments
Final Anecdotes and Nickname Discussions
Notable Quote:
Chris Cody: "There was a kid in our class... we called him PP Greg."
Timestamp: 37:18
Note: This summary excludes all advertisement segments, intros, outros, and non-content sections as per the episode's transcript.