Local Hour: The Florida Cold

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz

Episode: Local Hour: The Florida Cold
Date: February 2, 2026

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Episode Overview

Broadcasting from the Elser Hotel in Downtown Miami, Dan Le Batard, Stugotz, and their crew offer the trademark blend of sports takes, irreverent cultural commentary, and local Miami flavor. This "Local Hour" leans into the rare South Florida cold snap, the crew's comedic mishandling of the chill, discussion of the Super Bowl media frenzy, recent boxing absurdities, NBA trade rumors—particularly Giannis Antetokounmpo—a heated debate about the Miami Heat's trade pieces, statue controversies, and a viral moment involving a bar fight Down Under.

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1. South Florida vs. The Cold (01:32 – 05:20)

• The crew commiserates over Miami’s rare 35-degree morning, poking fun at their inability to dress or cope.

  • Dan shares that his trainer arrived in a leather jacket and jeans reminiscent of an Atlanta nightclub:

    "He trained you in a leather jacket and jeans? ...He showed up like for a club on a Friday night." (02:02)

  • Stugotz confesses:

    "I didn't want to get out of the shower. Like I made the shower extra hot this morning and I just stood there for a good 10 minutes after I got done washing." (02:37)

  • Consensus: Floridians refuse to turn on their heaters due to the burnt dust smell. Stugotz:

    "I refuse to use it because of the smell." (04:16)

• Poll Questions:

  • Is the heater smell just dust burning off? (04:23)
  • Does anyone in Miami even know if they have a heater? (04:29, Dan)

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2. Why the Show Isn’t at Super Bowl Radio Row (05:20 – 06:40)

• Stugotz wonders:

  "Why didn’t we go to Radio Row?" (05:20)

• Dan bluntly:

  "I never want to go to Radio Row. We went one time to Las Vegas...it cost us half a million dollars, and I don't really want to do that again." (05:26, 05:30)

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3. Boxing’s Most Unexpected Moment: The Toupee Fight (06:40 – 11:57)

• The crew erupts in laughter over a viral boxing clip where heavyweight Jarrell "Big Baby" Miller’s hairpiece is knocked off mid-fight.

  • Dan’s hilarious poll:

    "Have you ever seen a boxer in the ring that you suspected of wearing a toupee?" (05:40)

  • Jeremy: "He won by split decision. Hair loss, though." (06:40)
  • Dan calls out the backstory, then plays Miller’s reason for his hair loss:

    "So, so funny, right? I get to my mama house… I shampooed it when it was like ammonia and bleach. I lost my hair like two days ago." (08:04)

  • Stugotz: "He knocked that off." (08:23)
  • Discussion on whether such an outrageous excuse makes it more believable.
    • Dan:

      "When the lie is so outrageous that the details can't be believed, I tend to believe it." (10:01)

    • Mike Ryan is incredulous:

      "Don't believe this one. Are we to believe the bleach just affected the follicles, none of the surrounding skin?" (10:40)

• Multiple running jokes about whether you’d ever see a toupee fly off in combat sports and how Miller—once his hair flies off—tries to knock his bald opponent’s hair off “in solidarity.” (09:21)

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4. NBA Trades: The Giannis Antetokounmpo Sweepstakes (12:04 – 26:53)

Giannis Rumor Breakdown

• Dan relays a breaking rumor:

  "...the Bucks remain engaged in teams making aggressive offers... Miami, Minnesota, Golden State and New York has emerged as a serious suitor." (12:04–12:57)

• The group debates the logic and value of trade packages:
  • Stugotz slams Golden State’s supposed centerpiece:

    "They sat Kaminga 17 consecutive games... that’s the centerpiece of your trade? How? How? It’s a pathetic offer." (12:57)

Miami Heat’s Potential Packages

• Mike Ryan, Zas, and Jeremy parse who would be offered (Tyler Herro, Khalil Ware, picks, various young players) and what "young blue-chip talent" actually means.

• Debates over which contracts are "bad," how to make salaries match, and if expiring contracts are really assets.

  • Zas:

    "There’s not a bad contract that the Heat would be offering, period. There’s not one that’s immovable..." (14:53)

  • Mike:

    "It's market value. I think it's fair for a former All-Star." (14:34)

• Stugotz dares NBA Commissioner Adam Silver:

  "I triple dog dare you to void a deal that the Miami Heat trade away Terry Rozier’s expiring contract." (16:04)

• Dan circles back:

  "Tyler Herro for Giannis isn’t enough. Like, obviously that’s not going to be the best offer." (21:23)

• The real value is the draft picks and prospects, not just salary-matching veterans.

When Should a Trade Happen?

• Dan:

  "Do you do it in the next three days or do you do it in the offseason when you have the picks? Milwaukee doesn’t have any urgency on this, right?" (24:45)

• Stugotz: Milwaukee gets one more pick if they wait for the summer, but does Giannis force their hand? (25:15)
• Mike Ryan:

  "Certainly not these teams that are looking to add Giannis at 32 years old for this postseason." (25:55)

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5. The Dwyane Wade Statue & Derrick Rose Controversy (26:53 – 34:33)

Statue Scars

• Stugotz:

  "Derrick Rose had his jersey retired by Chicago, which is great...but then Dan Patrick asked Reggie Miller if Derrick Rose [should] be the Hall of Fame. Reggie Miller said...for a good six to eight years he was battling LeBron as the best player in the NBA...He had three good years. The rest of his career he was hurt." (27:38)

• Dan and the crew mock Miller’s exaggerated take and compare Rose and LeBron’s very different arcs.
  • Jeremy, pulling up stats:

    "Three years where he was over 20 points per game, one of them being the MVP season..." (29:16)

Wade’s Statue and Rose’s Reasoning

• Derrick Rose on not wanting a statue:

  "No knock, Dwyane. I saw that statue. I’m good." (33:34)

• Dan contextualizes—Rose’s religious beliefs oppose “worshiping” people, but also, clearly, the Wade statue’s look unsettled him.
• Dan cracks:

  "Does that statue look more like Dwyane Wade or Michael Chiklis?" (34:10)

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6. Viral Moment: The Australian "Mate" Chair Fight (34:33 – 38:55)

• Crew discusses a viral news video about a drunken Australian man who aims a chair at security but hits his friend (“mate”) in the head instead.

  • Dan poll-worthy:

    "Have you ever been so drunk that you could have thrown a chair at security that instead hit your friend in the back of the head?" (35:54)

• Choreographed breakdown of the incident as if drawing up game film—complete with Zas play-by-play and telestrator jokes.

• Tony:

  "Now this, right now, that guy’s realizing, ‘Oh, that guy’s about to throw a chair.’" (38:22)

• Dan: If Hollywood choreographed this kind of slapstick, they couldn’t have done it better.

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7. Heat Trade Debates & Showcasing Assets (38:55 – 45:26)

• Dan is flabbergasted at the Heat’s logic of marketing “blue-chip assets” like Khalil Ware—yet barely trusting them in actual games.

  "How can the Heat with a straight face say that the Warriors' offer is no good? They’re offering Kaminga... take our blue chip talent that the coach keeps ripping." (38:55) "You need to showcase Khalil Ware. You have to put him on the court. You cannot during this time be playing him three minutes..." (44:00)

• Mike Ryan: “I just don’t know if it’s, you know, kind of like a Mad Men presentation with Pat Riley… ‘What if we trick him?’” (45:00)

• Dan: The Heat’s own public critiques of their young talent may be hurting their trade values.

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Notable Quotes Recap

• Stugotz (02:37):

  "I didn't want to get out of the shower...I just stood there for a good 10 minutes after I got done washing."

• Dan Le Batard (10:01):

  "When the lie is so outrageous that the details can't be believed, I tend to believe it."

• Stugotz (12:57):

  "That's the centerpiece of your trade? How? How? It’s a pathetic offer."

• Dan Le Batard (21:23):

  “Tyler Herro for Giannis isn’t enough.”

• Derrick Rose (33:34):

  "No knock, Dwyane. I saw that statue. I’m good."

• Dan Le Batard (34:10):

  "Does that statue look more like Dwyane Wade or Michael Chiklis?"

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Key Timestamps

• 01:32 – Opening cold talk, Miami struggles with low temperatures
• 05:40 – Super Bowl Radio Row gripes & boxing toupee incident intro
• 08:04 – Boxer’s explanation for toupee disaster
• 12:04 – Giannis Antetokounmpo trade rumors
• 14:53 – Debates over Tyler Herro, contract value, and Heat trade assets
• 24:45 – When to trade Giannis: now or offseason?
• 27:38 – Dwyane Wade statue, Derrick Rose legacy debates
• 33:34 – Derrick Rose jokes he doesn’t want a statue after seeing Wade’s
• 34:33 – Viral Australian bar fight, chair thrown at “mate”
• 38:55 – Heat showcase debate: play the young guys or risk devaluing them?

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Tone

The discussion is classic Le Batard Show: self-deprecating, sarcastic, locally flavored, obsessed with the little absurdities in sports, and quick to find the comic angle. The hosts riff on sports clichés, embrace exaggerated storylines, and revel in goofy poll questions. There’s real basketball analysis, but it always comes laced with Miami bias, cynicism toward sports media narratives, and the group’s signature camaraderie.

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This summary synthesizes the crew’s wide-ranging riffs—from Florida’s laughable response to cool weather to earnest NBA trade breakdowns and viral comedy. Perfect for a listener who missed the episode but craves every bizarre, funny, and sharp take from the “Local Hour.”

Transcript

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[Zas]

What is that?

[Dan Le Batard]

He trained you in a leather jacket and jeans? Yes. He showed up like he showed up like for a club on a Friday night. Blade, his wife asked him, hey, don't you have sweatpants? And he's like, sweatpants ain't doing it today, honey. Can't be cold down there. I've got to wear jeans. The rest of you though. Chris Cody's wearing a Bob Saget sweatshirt.

[Tony]

I had to go deep into the closet for this one.

[Dan Le Batard]

How? How did you guys experience this morning? My dog didn't want any help with sweaters, blankets, nothing. Didn't know what to do with what it is that this weather is.

[Stugotz]

I didn't want to get out of the shower. Like I made the shower extra hot this morning and I just stood there for a good 10 minutes after I got done washing. I didn't want to get out.

[Dan Le Batard]

How the visual. How are we so bad at this? How is it that nobody here is equipped in any way to deal like the rest of the country? There in New York right now, the temperatures are not humane. Like you cannot be outside. So that's not what's happening here. That's. It's just 35 degrees.

[Stugotz]

I was on ESPN yesterday and I spent a good portion of the start of the show talking about how cold it is here in Miami. Everyone must thought I was an asshole.

[Jeremy]

There was a little bit of frost on the car today when I turned it on.

[Dan Le Batard]

A little bit of frost. I think. Think the rest of the country would be listening to this and mortified by us, by how soft we are. But everyone came in here this morning complaining about some form of the animals are not safe, we're not safe. What is this? How do people live in this? As if all of us were the. The sleigh dogs in the Iditarod. My.

[Tony]

I woke up with two sweaters on and my dog's just chilling.

[Stugotz]

I don't get it. Are they cold?

[Tony]

They just can't explain it well.

[Stugotz]

And here's the problem. Here's the problem with us here in South Florida. Like I wake up, I don't want to get out from under the covers because it's free freezing in my house and like the tiles are freezing when I step on it. And it's because we refuse to turn on the heat. And why do we refuse to turn on the heat? Because the smell. The smell. When you turn on the heater, you get the smell.

[Dan Le Batard]

It smells like that only because you haven't used it in a long time. But that is the only like heaters all over cold weather cities don't smell like that if you're using them every day.

[Stugotz]

I refuse to use it because of the smell.

[Jeremy]

That smell is just dust burning off of the coils from how long you haven't used it.

[Dan Le Batard]

Put it on the poll, please. Juju at Lebitard show. Is that smell from the heater just dust from the coils? Because it's been so long that you used it in Miami? Because I think Tony's got that right. But I haven't lived anywhere else And I don't know how, like, what the amount of time is if you don't use it for a month, six weeks, or in my case, didn't even know I had a heater. Like, legit. Legitimately did not know if I had a heater in my apartment because I've never used it. I'm not even making that up. I'm serious to you. So what it smelled like is. Wait a minute. We've got a heater. We've got a heater in our house. This is the Dan Levator show with the ST Podcast. Oh, yeah, it's super bowl week. That's something that will get started a little stronger later in the week. I don't think you're going to feel it very much around here or very much around the super bowl this week.

[Stugotz]

Why didn't we go to Radio Row?

[Dan Le Batard]

Ah.

[Mike Ryan]

It'S far.

[Dan Le Batard]

I never want to go to Radio Row. We went one time to Las Vegas.

[Jeremy]

But we had fun, Dan.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah, we did have fun, but it cost us half a million dollars, and I don't really want to do that again.

[Jeremy]

You take half, okay? You pay me and Zaz. Me and Zaz will go. We'll have fun over radio, and we'll put back.

[Dan Le Batard]

We'll start super bowl week in the customary place, which is talking about a boxing match over the weekend. And the thing that I wanted to ask all of you is because boxing is a pretty historic sport, I'm guessing you guys have been familiar and watched boxing for a good amount of time. Have you ever seen someone step into the ring that you would accuse of wearing a toupee? Is it something that you've ever seen in all your time watching boxing where you're like, oh, that fighter there, that hair is not real. Is that something you've ever seen a guy with fake hair in the boxing at LeBatard show? Put it on the pole. Have you ever seen a boxer in the ring that used suspected of wearing a toupee? Because over the weekend somebody got their hair system punched off. Now, I don't know if this person won or lost the fight. Do you guys know Jerrell Miller is his name. His nickname is Big Baby. Do you know if he won the fight or not?

[Jeremy]

He won by split decision. Hair loss, though.

[Zas]

Who cares?

[Dan Le Batard]

Okay, so we see there this video, which is amazing, and I want to get to his sound after the fight because the excuse is also amazing. The excuse for how it is and why it is he lost his ha. How long ago he lost his hair.

[Stugotz]

Why do you punch his hair instead of his face.

[Dan Le Batard]

Well, he's trying to punch his face, and sometimes it's hard to box. I know that you have a lot of expertise in the skills of boxing. Heavyweight fighting is awfully hard, awfully dangerous. But I'm serious when I say I've never seen a boxer that I would say, oh, that guy's got fake hair. Like, it's. I've been watching boxing a long time, and it's not. And I'm not sure I would have known this guy had fake hair if not for the fact that he got punched off.

[Jeremy]

If you're him, you got to know, hey, there's a chance that if the he hit. They hit me hard enough, my hair might fly off like a.

[Dan Le Batard]

Like a. I think if. If you do think there's a chance of that, you will not do it. Like, I don't believe he thought there was a chance because how many times have you seen that happen? Like, I don't believe this man stepped into the ring thinking that this was a possibility. That at the beginning of super bowl week, this is what we'd be talking about without knowing whether he won or lost the fight. But let's get his explanation, because his explanation is great. Listen to his explanation. It's so much better than Paul George's explanation for his embarrass embarrassment. It is an excellent explanation that I absolutely believe. So, so funny, right? I get to my mama house and I actually had some shampoo bottles under her table, and I shampooed it when was like ammonia and bleach. I already lost my hair like two days ago. So I called my man. Let me slap that on real quick. I'd be to knock that off.

[Stugotz]

He knocked that off.

[Dan Le Batard]

So he had forewarning Dan.

[Zas]

He knew, hey, there's a possibility that.

[Jeremy]

Something might happen here. If he hits me hard enough and then plow.

[Dan Le Batard]

I don't think forewarning again. I don't think that you can wash your hair with ammonia bleach. I do think it's an innocent mistake to see that your mom decided to hide some ammonia bleach in the shampoo bottles and you thought it was shampoo and now your hair is full.

[Tony]

I love how after the hair was off his head, it got a ringside seat and the fight was continuing and the hair was sitting ringside watching.

[Stugotz]

The hair looks like a big cookie.

[Dan Le Batard]

Mike, you are expert in these matters. You're always accusing people of fake teeth, of hair systems, of all sorts of BO talks. You're our cosmetics expert. Have you ever seen a boxer walk into a ring with a toupee?

[Mike Ryan]

Can't say that I have. Can't say I've ever seen anything like that. Dan guy's hair system got knocked off by a punch. Give me all the examples.

[Dan Le Batard]

I want you guys to look at the video behind Tony and Mike here, because you will see that as soon as his hair gets punched off you, he tries to punch off the hair of his opponent who doesn't have hair. Like, he tried that. He tries to do the same thing. He's like, I'm not going to be the only one out here without air.

[Stugotz]

That's what I'm saying.

[Dan Le Batard]

And then he realizes, well, that guy already doesn't have air. You really need to go bald in that circumstance, don't you? You need to not put in the hair system. You need to admit your mistake. I did the ammonia bleach thing. I'm sorry. But I wonder if he had, like, splotching or something.

[Mike Ryan]

You're falling for that?

[Dan Le Batard]

The ammonia bleach?

[Mike Ryan]

Like, yeah, I was. I had a full head of hair until two days ago. Like, trust me.

[Dan Le Batard]

Look, I. I told you this. When the lie is so outrageous that the details can't be believed, I tend to believe it. I told you the story of Edwin Pope, who got so drunk out in Indianapolis one time that he stepped outside of the hotel, asked the taxi driver to take him to his hotel, and the taxi driver said, sir, you're standing in front of your hotel. He goes upstairs, he falls down, he hits himself on the corner of a bureau and cuts himself. But his wife doesn't know that he drinks on the road. So when he comes home, what does he tell her? He tells her I came out of the elevator and I got hit by a forklift. And she believed it.

[Mike Ryan]

Don't believe this one. Are we to believe the bleach just affected the follicles, none of the surrounding skin, it just burned off the hair?

[Dan Le Batard]

No, I think that he had a splotch problem. I think that that's the reason that he went with the hair system, but put it on the poll at LeBatard show. Which do you believe more? That Paul George was suspended for mental health medication or that the boxer lost his hair with some bleach in a shampoo bottle? Which do you believe more?

[Tony]

Tony nailed it with it. Looks like a can being opened.

[Jeremy]

Like a lid of a can. You know how you leave it halfway open?

[Dan Le Batard]

It's like, oh, that. Well, that's. Well, one of the.

[Stugotz]

Look like you could cut yourself.

[Dan Le Batard]

Let me, let me. If I may, if I may chronicle this even more than we already have, the way that it happened is the funniest way it could have happened. Because if it had simply dislodged and not opened like a can opener, if it had simply flown off and ended up in the ring, it wouldn't be as funny as it flapping in the wind. Like it. It fl.

[Mike Ryan]

I must admit, sponges are tough for me to spot. It's a two Americas thing. I remember when Steve Harvey had his grand reveal. I was like, you fooled me. I didn't know that. I didn't know that that was possible. But then I directly pointed my attention to Jamie Foxx. I'm like, I'm all over that one.

[Dan Le Batard]

Oh, so this is something that you don't have expertise in.

[Mike Ryan]

It's more difficult to. America's.

[Dan Le Batard]

Shams is reporting the latest on Giannis Antetokounmpos. He says that over the weekend the Bucks remain engaged in teams making aggressive offers and have also submitted counteroffers. He's ready for his exit whether it's at the deadline or the off season. The most active suitors are Miami, Minnesota, Golden State and New York has emerged as a serious suitor. And the big thing to monitor over the next three days is if a team emerges that matches the price point that Milwaukee has set and that his indications are that they want a young blue chip talent or a surplus of draft picks. So the, the Golden State warriors don't really have a young blue chip talent. Right. Kaminga doesn't have any value there. So according to Dunleavy himself, who said if you're going to demand a trade, there has to be demand somewhere.

[Stugotz]

This is why, like I don't understand. You got people all over television and radio they're talking about. They're hyping up this Golden State offer because, yes, they have four draft picks that they can offer and they're going to give up Kaminga like they sat cominga 17 consecutive games, Steve Carter, champion coach, decided this player is not worth a single minute on my team. And that's the centerpiece of your trade. How? How? It's a pathetic offer.

[Jeremy]

It's bad GMing too. Like, if you're done leaving, you know there's no demand for your guy. You still can't say there's no demand for your gu.

[Dan Le Batard]

Well, Nukes, what's going on?

[Stugotz]

You're right. But also, it was a message sent.

[Jeremy]

I get it.

[Stugotz]

You're right. But also the Heat are quite guilty of that Lately.

[Mike Ryan]

I was going to say that.

[Dan Le Batard]

Well, let's talk about that for a second. So the situation that you have with the Heat is that Khalil Ware has been ransacked by Eric Spoelstra in a way that's publicly odd for this organization. Spo rarely does stuff like this, and he even kind of walked it back the last time he did it, when he hammered, you know, Khalil Ware for a lack of professionalism because he doesn't produce the same effort when he's not started. Kahlil.

[Mike Ryan]

No, this is like the third time he's done this, and it's always where. So maybe we should stop being surprised.

[Dan Le Batard]

But he would be the centerpiece of whatever it is that you're trading for Giannis, would he not? Like if you're the Bucks or Tyler. No, See, that's a bad contract.

[Jeremy]

Young blue chip prospect is where.

[Mike Ryan]

I don't think Tyler's a bad guy.

[Zas]

From Milwaukee. Expiring next year.

[Dan Le Batard]

Milwaukee, okay. The expiring part is something that gives it more value.

[Mike Ryan]

It's market value. I think it's fair for a former All Star.

[Dan Le Batard]

Okay. But you need to do better than that if you're taking back money on Giannis.

[Mike Ryan]

Well, they are, but he's for the region. And the fact that he's still in the prime of his career, it's not a bad contract. I wouldn't do that. But it's a part of the deal, not the singular part of the deal.

[Zas]

There's not a bad contract that the Heat would be offering, period. There's not one that's immovable or not expired.

[Stugotz]

I don't think they have any bad contract.

[Zas]

There are no bad contracts except next year.

[Stugotz]

Bam.

[Dan Le Batard]

Making 50 because you're making all expiring contracts good contracts.

[Zas]

Well, if Tyler Herro and Andrew Wiggins are on expiring deals, they're valuable to get you a first round pick based off the market. Like, that's. That's what everyone's talking about with Wiggins right now. And he still has a player option at 30 million for next year. The biggest reason you haven't seen that explored, more likely than not is because the Heat are waiting to see do the Bucks want Wiggins as a part of that deal? And as we were talking about last week, like, you could combine Tyler Hero and Andrew Wiggins to fill out that salary and potentially be pieces that the Bucks could move next season if they wanted. They have Terry Rozier as an expiring deal right now. Tyler Herro is not a net Negative. He's not a centerpiece prospect to build around. Only because he's about to turn 26. But that's a former All Star guard at Silver.

[Stugotz]

I I don't even dare you. I double you already did this. Okay?

[Dan Le Batard]

I've already seen this. Like, you got to do better than this. I've already heard you.

[Stugotz]

Adam Silver. I triple dog dare you. I haven't done that.

[Tony]

Yeah, I haven't done that.

[Stugotz]

I wasn't in that.

[Jeremy]

Dan Triple dog you finish the thought.

[Dan Le Batard]

You still haven't told the people what.

[Stugotz]

Silver I triple I dared you. I double dared you. I triple dog dare you to void a deal that the Miami Heat trade away Terry Rozier's expiring contract. I triple dog dare you. Adam Silver hey listeners.

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[Mike Ryan]

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[Stugotz]

Don LeBatard all these high paid analysts.

[Dan Le Batard]

I don't want to mention names. Tnt, espn, you know, oh yeah, they, they are dead. They cannot, they're not going to make it. You know, even if they win in, if they lose in Miami. To calm you down.

[Stugotz]

I need to calm down.

[Dan Le Batard]

That's right. They lose in Miami. They don't got a chance in Boston or they are going to have their ass. You know what?

[Mike Ryan]

You know, stugats.

[Tony]

They were wrong.

[Dan Le Batard]

Are they going to lose their job? No. Are they going to get a Cutting page. No. What are they going to do?

[Stugotz]

Keep predicting.

[Dan Le Batard]

What is the obvious. They're going to say, oh, the Nuggets are going to win. Oh, Denver, the attitude. And you know what? The Heat are going to win it all.

[Stugotz]

This is the Dan Levatar show with the Stugats.

[Dan Le Batard]

So let me walk back what I said a little bit on Tyler Herro and that contract. Okay. If all expiring contracts are good, then I will concede to you that the Andrew Wiggins contract isn't, for example, bad in the context of what it is that we're doing here, which is you have to make the salaries match. But Milwaukee doesn't want Andrew Wiggins. It. They want young pieces. They want like. So Tyler Herro is young. He was an all Star last year. He's hurt way too much and you've got to get the money to match up and it's going to be hard to get the money to match up. But if I'm Milwaukee and this is the piece I have, like, I understand why you guys look at it from the Miami perspective, but if I'm Milwaukee and this is the piece that I have, everything I'm getting back has to have value and more value than just. It's an expiring contract. Now, Tyler Herro, you can make the arguments on behalf of Tyler Herro, but I'm here to tell you that Tyler Herro for Giannis isn't enough. Like, obviously that's not going to be the best offer. No, but I'm saying, like you're, you're sitting here saying, oh, take the Rosier contract, take the Wiggins contract, take the Tyler hero contract. And I'm telling you that if they're going to pay that much money for a contract, maybe it'll be for an expiring contract. But my guess is that they'll want somebody better than that.

[Zas]

Well, those are just the parts to make the money work, Dan. Like the, the pieces that you would theoretically be building around as the centerpiece of these deals are the two available picks that the Heat have a couple of pick swaps and they can get to a third if they simply get Milwaukee to shift the protections from the 2027 pick to 2028. So now you would have. Oh, sorry. I appreciate that, Charlotte. It would be a 2026, a 2030, a 2032. Those would go right to him. That's without doing anything else other than calling up Charlotte. Plus there's Khale, where There's Jaime Hawkes Jr. A 24 year old six man of the year candidate. There are several other young pieces. A first round pick in Casper Siakochonas, who's a 19 year old point guard, getting minutes. Obviously there's Pelo Larson, but we don't want to talk about him because he's too good and I don't want to trade him. But there are so many really good young pieces that are a piece of this.

[Dan Le Batard]

Stop.

[Zas]

Look, I got to stop you.

[Dan Le Batard]

I got to stop you. I don't want to lose Pella Larson for Giannis Antetokounmpa. I could strangle you right now. I could strangle you. Like. Yeah.

[Zas]

The way I vocally modulated didn't insinuate.

[Dan Le Batard]

Throw you into the ocean by your head. You turn over the entirety of your roster to Milwaukee and you say take who you want.

[Stugotz]

Remember when Heat fans didn't want to trade Karan Butler for Shaq?

[Dan Le Batard]

Yes. Yeah.

[Stugotz]

That was my favorite.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah. And Lamar Odom. No, I know. I love Lamar Odom and Karan Butler and I like Brian Grant, too. Brian Grant. Warrior is the kind of contract that you're talking about here, where you got to make the contracts match up. So you got to throw in Brian Grant, too. And people liked him, so they didn't want him to go either. First shot.

[Mike Ryan]

I think you're just seizing on something that Jeremy said when he was clearly joking. I think he. He'd be okay with including Pele Larson in there.

[Zas]

It's every possible piece. Right? And the Heat in terms of what is available right now, we laid it out last week. Everybody has been hyping up this Golden State package because of these picks and pick swaps.

[Stugotz]

Can I tell you why? Can I tell you why I think everyone's Jeremy hyping up the Golden State package? I think people just want to see Giannis play with Steph.

[Zas]

That's right.

[Stugotz]

That's all it is. They don't have a good package. They just want. But it's a great story for us to pay attention to for Giannis to play with Steph.

[Zas]

And there have been reports, I believe it was Nick Friedel that says Golden State has reassured Jimmy Butler that he is not a piece of that potential trade for Giannis Antetokounmpo, insinuating that the financials there would be Draymond. To me, all that insinuates is the Bucks didn't like the package that was built around Jimmy Butler. Butler and Golden State is saving face because the reports from the very beginning from everyone were all right, they'll be willing to Trade Jimmy Butler and anything else. It's everybody but Steph. And now it's, oh, we're reassuring Jimmy. He's a piece of it. Which shows me the counter from Milwaukee was, well, we don't want that contract because that contract is actually difficult to move. You're probably right. It's only an expiring deal. It's not one that you feel you can flip for further value. That's why I mentioned Hero and Wiggins. You can flip those for further value later on if you don't want them as a pie for the future. Tyler, you could extend as you continue to rebuild. He's a 26 year old all Star.

[Dan Le Batard]

The backstory on some of this that presents problems for the Miami Heat is do you do it in the next three days or do you do it in the off season when you have the picks? And Milwaukee doesn't have any urgency on this. Right. Miami would need to do it in the next three days because they want to compete this year in an Eastern Conference that suspect. But Milwaukee's incentivized to wait for a better offer in the off season, are they not?

[Stugotz]

Milwaukee is incentivized to wait because they can get at least one more pick if they wait until the summer. But how much does Milwaukee care about what Giannis wants? In this case, how much should they care about what Giannis wants? Because two things. Number one, they could say, hey, Giannis, we want to wait until the summer because it's more beneficial for us. But you honest be like, yeah, I don't want to waste another year of my career. Like, I want, I want to win right now. I want to go to a team that is going to be a playoff team right now. And then the second part, which is kind of important, is Giannis is eligible in October to sign a Supermax deal, but he can only sign it if his current team has had him for six months. So if they trade him over the summer, he's not eligible for Supermax.

[Mike Ryan]

Also, the other teams in the mix would suggest that these are teams looking to seize on this very window right now. So you're probably not going to get as good an offer from certainly not these teams that are looking to add Giannis at 32 years old for this postseason.

[Jeremy]

And on top of that, like, if you're, if you're Giannis and they don't trade you the deadline, they want something better in the, in the off season, do you just not play because it's four to six weeks, quote unquote, of his calf Strain. But now it's like, all right, well, I'm not going to go out and get hurt in April, right? Like I'm done for the season. I just basically put him on the shelf.

[Dan Le Batard]

Just so that I continue to explain what it is that I'm saying about the Tyler Hero contract, because I don't believe that Milwaukee, Milwaukee just wants an expiring deal and he's going to want a massive deal. A player who doesn't play defense on an expiring deal. Khalil Ware is the blue chip talent in that deal. It's not Tyler Herro, even though Tyler Herro is the All Star because you have to pay Tyler Hero.

[Mike Ryan]

I don't think anybody's disagreeing if you.

[Dan Le Batard]

Want to keep him. Let's get to something here. Else that happened over the weekend that doesn't have to do with this, but I'm finding funny that the statue of Dwyane Wade is having some post traumatic effects that is affecting the legacy of other players who now don't want statues at all because of how bad Dwyane Wade's statue looked. Derrick Rose was on a television show and he was being asked whether or not he wants a statue. And Derrick Rose, I know you were objecting zas last week to the fact that Reggie Miller went on Dan Patton Patrick and said something. What were you objecting to?

[Stugotz]

Well, yeah, Eric Rose had his jersey retired by Chicago, which is great. You know, I'm not going to sit here and agree or disagree with that. It's up to the team. They want to retire jersey. Okay. But then Dan Patrick asked Reggie Miller if, if he believes that Reggie. If Derrick Rose be the hall of Fame. Okay, which is debatable. He's going to get in because everybody gets in. But it's certainly debatable. And yeah, Reggie Miller said that Derrick Rose, of course he's a Hall of Famer because for a good six to eight years he was battling LeBron as the best player in the NBA. The hell are you talking about? He was. He didn't even play for the Bulls for eight years, first of all. And he had three good years. Derrick Rose, three. The rest of his career he was hurt. Like six to eight years was battling LeBron for best player in the league. What are you talking about?

[Dan Le Batard]

I don't understand.

[Stugotz]

Like Reggie Miller, he's supposed to be a bass, supposedly an NBA analyst. Can you know a little bit of a little something about the game.

[Dan Le Batard]

All right, let's hear Reggie Miller first before we get to this. Derrick Rose having Post traumatic Dwyane Wade statue reflexes.

[Stugotz]

I would be surprised if he doesn't. He will be the only MVP not to be in the hall of Fame.

[Dan Le Batard]

Man, if he didn't get hurt first ballot.

[Stugotz]

I doubt he'll be first ballot, but he'll get in at some point. But for a six to eight year stretch, he was.

[Dan Le Batard]

Him and LeBron were battling for who was the best player in the game.

[Stugotz]

Dan, help me out here. I can't be the only crazy per. I can't be the only person screaming in here about this. Somebody agree with me, says, I'm looking.

[Jeremy]

At his basketball reference right now and you had mentioned it three years where he was over 20 points per game, one of them being the MVP season. Let me read you the stat lights from his MVP season. 25 points a game, seven and a half assists a game, four rebounds a game. LeBron's is way better than.

[Dan Le Batard]

Well, it's not.

[Stugotz]

It's LeBron's worst year of his career.

[Dan Le Batard]

It's not only better, it's not only better. It is legitimately flabbergasting that Derrick Rose's career has been over for as long as it's been over and that LeBron is still getting into this year's All Star Game like that. That makes no sense. If you have any appreciation whatsoever for, I don't know, mortality, just the aging process.

[Stugotz]

Reggie, was he battling LeBron for best player in the year in the league the year that he played 39 games, was he battling with LeBron for best player in the year in the league the year that he played 10 games? Was it the year that he averaged 15 points per game? What are you talking about?

[Zas]

LeBron this season is averaging 22 points, six rebounds and six and a half assists.

[Dan Le Batard]

The Lakers are funny because they're like 10 games over.500, but they've got 16 double digit losses and no team with their point differential has ever been quite this good in terms of record. And they're almost 10 games over.500 with Austin Reaves and LeBron James missing 20 of the games. Don't trust them at all. They don't play any defense. You can't trust them. They lost to the Knicks yesterday and now Brian Winhorse is saying the Knicks have no interest in aggressively pursuing Giannis because they like their current team. And as it relates to what it is we were talking about before with nobody wanting in Miami wanting to trade Karon Butler for Shaquille o'. Neal, I'm not kidding when I tell you I have talked to a number of Knicks fans who are just romantically in love with these tough, tough Knicks. And what they say to me on Giannis is, we can't give up OG Onenobi. And I'm like, who are these people? Like, what is happening? It's multiple people who are saying this to me because they fall in love with the gritty guys who play defense and stuff, and they're like, I don't want an immortal.

[Jeremy]

You can't trade Mitchell Robinson, Dan. He only plays 19 minutes a game.

[Dan Le Batard]

What is the matter with people?

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[Dan Le Batard]

Don LeBatard, John Zaslo, how you love that cat train. Bad news for opposing teams in the Tripol Air Stugats.

[Stugotz]

This is the Dan Levatar show with the Stugach.

[Dan Le Batard]

Let's get to Derrick Rose here, though. This was legitimately funny when Derrick Rose surprised me in the middle of this when he just gave his reasoning for. Yeah, I don't want a statue.

[Stugotz]

Oh, you had the jersey at the book. Statues next, right. Right outside of the United.

[Mike Ryan]

Right outside, right.

[Tony]

Right where Jordan's is.

[Dan Le Batard]

No knock, Dwayne. I saw that statue.

[Zas]

I'm good.

[Dan Le Batard]

No, come on, man. You need a statue outside.

[Stugotz]

I don't need no statue.

[Zas]

So they say, we want you to build your statue.

[Mike Ryan]

You're going to say no.

[Dan Le Batard]

I should also mention the context of he's a religious man and he doesn't like the idea of humans being Worshiped that way. So it's not just the Dwyane Wade scars, but it is also the Dwayne Wade scars. I'm looking at it on the TV right now. Good Lord.

[Jeremy]

Can we walk up to that? Can I, like, I go. Can I go across the street and walk up to that right now?

[Tony]

Slightly gated off, but yes, you can get.

[Jeremy]

Okay, Tony's top five from the D. Wade statue this week.

[Dan Le Batard]

Okay, I. I take it today, if you wanted to do it today. But I'll ask you guys the question here. Does that statue look more like Dwyane Wade or Michael Chickless? Tony, that means get your ass in gear, Reggie.

[Stugotz]

Was Derrick Rose battling LeBron for best player in the year in the league. League in his sixth year when he shot 40% from the floor? Was that one of the years?

[Dan Le Batard]

Can you guys please get for me the video that everyone on the Internet has been enjoying this week? And not just the video of the bar fight, but a video as well of the news report chronicling some of the details in what it is that happens as. Have you seen this? No, I don't know what you're talking about. Okay, so listen to this, because a lot of people are talking about this today, and it seems like something more likely to happen in Australia, which has more creatures than can kill you than any other.

[Stugotz]

No, there are not gonna be any spiders here, right?

[Dan Le Batard]

I don't think they're gonna be any spiders here.

[Jeremy]

Keep an eye. You never know.

[Dan Le Batard]

But let's take a look here at this news report.

[Zas]

The man and a mate had been inside but were thrown out. One of them grabbed a chair from a restaurant next door, despite staff and customers there trying to stop him. And it's suspected he was trying to throw it at security at the front door, but. But instead it hit his mate in the head. He recovered reasonably quickly, got up and walked away. It's understood no one rang police or an ambulance. We'll have full details. 7News.

[Dan Le Batard]

So for the audio audience. Okay, this is a special kind of drunkenness. When you throw a chair, put it on the pole. Juju at Lebatard show. Have you ever been so drunk that you could have thrown a chair at security that instead hit your friend in the back of the head?

[Jeremy]

Your mate.

[Dan Le Batard]

Now, because he didn't come close to hitting security, security was watching him. He seems to think because of the amount of liquid in his system, that. That he had more accuracy than he actually had. He. I guess. Well, the accuracy wasn't terrible in that it would have, I suppose, Hit security. If it had not hit his. His mate in the back of the head.

[Tony]

It's not like his mate emerged and it was like, oh, I got a clean shot at security. And then his mate. Mate walked in front.

[Zas]

He's.

[Tony]

His mate is standing there the entire time, and he's always gonna hit his mate.

[Stugotz]

And then the security guard was hysterical, laughing at him.

[Jeremy]

Can you imagine being the mate there? You're talking to security. Hey, look, my guy's a good. My friend's a good guy. My mate's a good mate, right?

[Stugotz]

We don't need to call the.

[Jeremy]

He's not a cheat. You know what? And then all of a sudden, he's.

[Tony]

Like, all right, you know what?

[Zas]

Get him out of here.

[Jeremy]

Tony Soprano, end scene.

[Dan Le Batard]

Honestly, if I had told you that this scene was choreographed artistically by stuntmen in a movie, they couldn't have done lot better than this in terms of. If you're doing a comedy and you're trying to have your friend be so drunk that his judgment is impaired, but not as accurate. He's thrown a chair. We're all in agreement that that chair would have successfully hit security if security hadn't moved or flinched because they saw. No, this is going to hit his mate in the back of the head. There's no circumstance under which this chair is going to make our toupee fly off because it hits us in the head.

[Zas]

Let me go ahead and tell the straight. This one for you, Dan. Let's get the video back up on screen. So. So you could see security right here off screen. Right over here is the friend who's about to throw the chair. Now, this is another security guard. Obviously, this ends up being the target for the throw. So let's see this happen. Let's see it unwind.

[Dan Le Batard]

Come on.

[Mike Ryan]

Come on.

[Zas]

Draw it there.

[Stugotz]

There it is.

[Zas]

So you can see it right here. And you can see that. And of course, that's the guy who.

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[Stugotz]

Yeah.

[Dan Le Batard]

Let's play that back again without the helpful telestrator that always draws a penis. Look at this guy in the front of the. Of the whole situation. He's walking by. He just casually. Yep. Moves to his left with a drink in his head because it's the most normal thing in Australia. This guy's just walking. He's like, nope, don't roll back. Just move.

[Tony]

Stop right now.

[Dan Le Batard]

The guy just moves.

[Tony]

Stop right now.

[Zas]

Lewis, stop right now.

[Tony]

Stop right now.

[Zas]

All right, that's perfect. Now you can see the man who is about to launch the chair chair.

[Tony]

This right now, that guy's realizing, oh, that guy's about to throw a chair.

[Zas]

This person is seeing a chair being thrown. So he's speeding up. You could see the bend in the knee right here. Of course you have security. You have a woman walking out of the picture. And then of course, this right here is the ultimate target. So go ahead and play this and we'll see the launch of the chair. Oh, right to the back of the head. And of course, laughter right here, a fallen patron over here and right over there is ultimately the man who threw the chair.

[Dan Le Batard]

Getting back to what it is that we were talking about before about Kaminga. How can the Heat with a straight face say that the warriors offer is no good? They're offering Kaminga a player who hasn't played in 17 games here, take our blue chip talent that the coach keeps ripping. And they won't start because Khalil Ware is someone you can trust. Even though Bow is taking the rare measures of consistently ripping Khalil Ware. How can you make that argument with a straight face?

[Stugotz]

Yeah, that. It bothers me. And look, I think Eric Spoels is the best coach in the league. I love him. But I don't get it. It bothers me on. On Saturday night because Dan, they played the Bulls three consecutive games. My God, enough of heat Bulls. But on Saturday night, Keller where played three minutes. Played three minutes. And we're. We're in the midst of a week where we are trying to offer. Offer that as the main piece for Giannis Antetokounmpo and he can only play three minutes off the heats bench. And then spo after the game was talking about. Game was moving too fast for him, couldn't play. Whoa, hold on a second. In a league that is getting faster and faster, you tell. You're telling the Bucks that this is a guy who you can't keep on the floor in that spot. I don't understand.

[Jeremy]

It just feels like sometimes perceived value is almost better than actual value. And the perceived value of Khalil, where is that? He's his blue chip process. The problem is if you put him out there and he's a little bit too slow for a game that as Jeremy said, they started a center who was 6 foot 7. Like, yeah, the game might be a little too. Bit too quick for him. They'll play him off the floor and then he doesn't look like that blue chip prospect. So like putting him on the shelf mean like, yeah, he's great. But right now, like we're not going to put him in if make the perceived value is in Greece there.

[Zas]

He had 17 points and six rebounds in 18 minutes last night. Like it was just a game where they started a 6 foot 7 center and all Chicago was doing was run, run, run, run, run. They played, played both big men off the floor, both Nico Jovic and Kalaw Ware just defensively had too many mistakes and so Bam was out there anchoring the defense and that was how the Heat kept themselves in the game. Their offense was struggling.

[Dan Le Batard]

Put it on the poll please. My God, enough of Heat Bulls yes or no? I will tell you that I am not yet so used to what has been the last 10 years of incredible basketball and human evolution that you can tell me that a unicorn like Khalil Ware who can shoot threes, block shots like that and is uncommonly athletic that that doesn't have a place as a blue chip talent in this league. I'm not. I know that the league is changing at an unbelievable rate. I know that many of you, you don't like watching basketball because you don't want a team going 9 for 50 from 3. It's not fun to watch when the threes aren't going in. But Khalil Ware, to my experience is a basketball player who simply did not exist 10 years ago. Like that. Kevin Garnett is something like that. Although Kevin Garnett has an actual mid range game that Khalil Ware doesn't actually have. Khalil Ware is either the Pokemon or Threes, but a seven footer like that, you cannot convince me under any circumstances that that is not a player who has value to somebody who knows how to grow players and build a culture around players that protects them. I just don't know if the Bucks feel like they have that with Doc Rivers, Miles Turner and Kyle Kuzma, I would think.

[Zas]

Well, first of all, Kuzma likely gets sent out in one of these trades, but Miles Turner is actually like the perfect guy as one of these first sort of freaks who was playing out on the perimeter as the footer offensively. Like he, he's a guy who's been in an NBA Finals, has been that stretch five has been a great shot blocker. He's actually a really wonderful guy to bring Khalil Ware along as a veteran. And obviously they think Doc Rivers is one of the great coaches in the league if they have him as their head coach. What the, what what the Heat have is an organization that's been doing this with young big men for years and years and Years. You guys forget like six, seven, eight years ago he fans were having the same argument about Bama to Bio. Why isn't he on the floor? Why isn't he on the floor? Why isn't he on the floor? Why isn't he shooting three The Heat like to bring guys along when they feel like they can become complete products. Especially when they feel like they're talent.

[Stugotz]

Where we're trying to get one of the best players in the world, like we weren't talking about this is the centerpiece.

[Zas]

Do you think that and and maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think a talent evaluator, a general manager is looking at what the peaks of Khloe Ware have been thus far this season. What he literally did yesterday and looking at one game against the play in Bulls with six, seven guys.

[Stugotz]

No, it's more than one game.

[Zas]

I understand but you think that that a few games where he plays less than the full amount of minutes when by the way Nico jovic is a 22 year old who they've been bringing along slowly too. Also getting those minutes at center and the best player on your team is a center.

[Dan Le Batard]

Can I make a point for you guys that that echoes what it is that Zaz is saying here, that if you want to get in the game for Giannis to my way of thinking when you're playing three games against the Bulls, because basketball can be confusing in the way I'm about to mention. Jared Allen had 16 points yesterday in the first quarter. Why? Because Evan Mobley's not playing. None of us would know how good Jalen Brunson is if he hadn't left Luka's side against the Bulls. Run everything through Khalil Ware. I don't care if you win those games now. You have to showcase that person so that you can trick Milwaukee into thinking the opposite of whatever they think now because of what the coach is saying, run the whole thing through him. Him, showcase him so that you can maximize his value. There are all sorts of players in that league. If I just give them a usage rate, you would be amazed by their statistics. Trae Young went to having no value just because everyone knows, oh, if I let him hold the ball all the time, of course he's going to go 25, 5 and whatever and those numbers aren't going to end up meaning anything to me. You have to showcase Khalil Ware. You have to put him on the court. You cannot during this time be playing him three minutes in games that Jazz is saying, my God, another enough with Heat Bulls.

[Mike Ryan]

I just don't know if it's, you know, kind of like a Mad Men presentation with Pat Riley walking into Andy Ellisberg and the roundtable and being like, what if we trick him? I just don't think that's plausible. Like, I hear what you're saying.

[Zas]

Let him.

[Mike Ryan]

Let him beat up on these bad teams and pat his stats. But I think their eval is their eval.

[Dan Le Batard]

That's fine. But their eval is being aided by the people who have the most information saying out loud about a player like they've said of no other, I don't trust him.

[Mike Ryan]

That's the Heat MO Ruined their own assets over the last few seasons.