Local Hour: The House That David Built

Summary

Summary of "Local Hour: The House That David Built" Episode of The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz

Release Date: August 4, 2025

In this episode of The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz, hosts Dan Le Batard and Stugotz, along with panelists Mike Ryan, Greg Cote, and Billy Corben, delve deep into the recent developments and historical context surrounding the Miami Marlins baseball team. The discussion covers the team's surprising resurgence, ownership dynamics, financial strategies, and the broader implications for the franchise's future.

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1. Marlins' Resurgence and Fan Sentiment

Mike Ryan opens the conversation by sharing his excitement about the Marlins' recent performance, highlighting a remarkable sweep of the New York Yankees—a feat unprecedented in franchise history.

• Mike Ryan (01:09): "I had a giddy up in my step in the elevator at the LSTR this morning... Everything negative and I get to see Billy and Mike and even Cody and they'd have no choice but to agree that everything was awesome this weekend."

Stugotz humorously questions the physical manifestation of Ryan's "giddy up in your step," adding levity to the enthusiastic mood.

• Stugotz (01:39): "I would like to see you with a giddy up on your step. Like physically."

The panelists express genuine joy over the Marlins' improved performance, with discussions about the rare instance of Yankee fans cheering for the Marlins during high-stakes moments.

• Stugotz (03:11): "Yeah. And when in the top of the ninth in game three, the sweep three outs away, they played Sweet, Sweet Caroline. That was pretty neat."

2. Ownership and Financial Strategies

A significant portion of the discussion centers on Mike Ryan's tenure as the former president of the Marlins and his perspective on the team's financial decisions, particularly concerning player acquisitions and payroll management.

Mike Ryan emphasizes his commitment to the franchise's success, distancing himself from any desire to see the team fail.

• Mike Ryan (03:56): "It's the opposite. People. That's the biggest mistake people have. I want them to win. I want to be part of an organization that has multiple World Series victories."

Stugotz challenges misconceptions about Ryan potentially wishing ill upon the team, prompting a candid conversation about past management decisions and their impacts.

• Stugotz (04:22): "But you have to admit that is a misconception about you. I think a lot of them think that you wish ill upon them or why would you want them to do well without you?"

The panel explores the delicate balance between building a competitive team and managing financial constraints, with references to historical ownership practices under figures like Wayne Huizenga.

• Mike Ryan (12:09): "No, because those players get older and so you have to choose who you're going to let go through arbitration and then who you're going to let get to free agency."

3. Legacy and Hall of Fame Discussions

The conversation shifts towards the Hall of Fame candidacy of key Marlins players, particularly focusing on Giancarlo Stanton and contrasting him with other players like Harold Baines.

• Stugotz (25:33): "So if you're a steroid guy, you still have trouble getting in. Although that is a whole different discussion."

• Dan Le Batard (25:41): "But I personally think Stanton will get in because he's got no baggage that I'm aware of. So he's a Hall of Famer to me."

The panelists debate the criteria and biases present in Hall of Fame voting, highlighting the challenges faced by players with varied career trajectories and off-field issues.

4. Time Capsules and Ballpark Significance

Mike Ryan recounts a nostalgic visit to Marlins Park, where he discovers time capsules buried within the stadium's architecture. These capsules are intended to be unearthed centuries later, serving as a time-locked snapshot of the franchise's legacy.

• Mike Ryan (26:04): "We put in a DVD player. So was this... going to have a plaque on it."

The discussion underscores the symbolic importance of the ballpark as a repository of memories and the Marlins' desire to cement their legacy within the community.

5. Future Prospects and Team Development

The panel assesses the sustainability of the Marlins' current strategy, which leverages a young, promising roster while grappling with limited financial flexibility.

• Stugotz (13:00): "They still have the least, if I'm to believe Google, they have the least winning seasons of any team in baseball."

• Mike Ryan (14:23): "Just on one side of the curve."

The conversation touches on the importance of balancing player development with strategic acquisitions to maintain competitiveness without overextending financially.

6. Closing Remarks and Reflections

As the episode draws to a close, the hosts and panelists reflect on the Marlins' unique position within Major League Baseball, acknowledging both the challenges and opportunities that lie ahead.

• Mike Ryan (38:32): "It always amazes to me, Amazes me that Marlins fans who do go to games aren't more upset with the franchise."

• Stugotz (38:45): "But this has been a good Sherman. Spend some damn money."

Their optimistic yet critical outlook suggests a cautious hope that the Marlins can sustain their recent successes and build a more stable and prosperous future.

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Notable Quotes:

• Mike Ryan (01:09): "Everything negative and I get to see Billy and Mike and even Cody and they'd have no choice but to agree that everything was awesome this weekend."

• Stugotz (25:33): "So if you're a steroid guy, you still have trouble getting in. Although that is a whole different discussion."

• Mike Ryan (38:32): "It always amazes to me, Amazes me that Marlins fans who do go to games aren't more upset with the franchise."

This episode offers an in-depth exploration of the Miami Marlins' current trajectory, enriched by personal anecdotes, expert analysis, and a blend of optimism and critique from the hosts and panelists. It serves as a compelling listen for fans interested in the intricacies of team management, financial strategy, and the enduring quest for championship glory.

Transcript

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[Dan LeBatard]

This is the Dan Levator show with the Stugats Podcast.

[Mike Ryan]

I had a giddy up in my step in the elevator at the LSTR this morning. Coming down not just to do the two hours and nothing personal, but knowing that, that we'd have to lead off with the Marlins and the fact that I'd be walking into a group of people who'd be dying to say the Marlins stink, Marlins park was empty, everything negative and I get to see Billy and Mike and even Cody and they'd have no choice. No choice but to agree that everything was awesome this weekend.

[Stugotz]

Yeah, I would like to see you with a giddy up on your step. Like physically. What does that look like when you have a giddy up in your step? It's in an elevator no less.

[Mike Ryan]

Pablo or Amin could find out okay, because I was in the elevator doing a small little like a Snoopy dance. Yeah, you. I only had about 30 floors to do it right, but I had this great feeling at about 6:21am this morning that I was walking into a studio that I love walking into at the elser. I just love it here and I just felt happy.

[Stugotz]

Yeah, I get it and I get what you're saying. Seven or ten days ago before I left on vacation and I had a one on one with Peter Bendix and I told him flat out I need to write, I want to write a complimentary column. And I was totally worried that after I wrote it, after I interviewed him, even before it was published, that they would go on a six game losing streak and then it would be me jinxing the team. But since then they've kept winning. I think they're 24 and 10 since June 20. It's been an amazing run.

[Mike Ryan]

The last time they were this successful was 2003. A run like this that they've had was 2003.

[Greg Cote]

So we're excited about six games back of the wild card.

[Mike Ryan]

I'm just excited that there's not one thing. And I think it's five and a half, but maybe it's six. But I think that even you, Izzy, I don't believe that there's anything you can do to yuck on my yum right now. The absolute giddiness of watching a sold out marlin spark and watching them sweep the Yankees, watching Yankee fans root and cheer for the Marlins. It was my dream for 16 years.

[Stugotz]

Yeah. And when in the top of the ninth in game three, the sweep three outs away, they played Sweet, Sweet Caroline. That was. That was pretty neat.

[Mike Ryan]

People don't know that song anymore. Well, I think I know it.

[Stugotz]

I think it's so traditional, you know, it's almost like a biblical hymn, you know, it's so old, you know? You know, Amazing Grace, Sweet Caroline, you know, I think it's Hallelujah. Yeah, that too. Yeah.

[Mike Ryan]

That's not what Sweet Caroline is. It's Neil Diamond.

[Stugotz]

I know, but it's good. It's a good song. I'm glad they played it. A little dig at the Yankees justified. It was fun. But I want to ask you about this dynamic with you because you're a former president of the Marlins. I would think it would be human nature for you to wish ill upon the Marlins. But. But you don't.

[Mike Ryan]

It's the opposite. People. That's the biggest mistake people have. I want them to win. I want to be part of an organization that has multiple World series victories. So 97 was without me. Oh, three was with me. I want another one. Without me. Another one, another one, another one. And then you're part of a legacy of greatness. That's. I just want to be one of the cogs in the sort of path toward immortality. Okay, but you got to win a lot more rings for them to do it. But. It's possible.

[Stugotz]

But. But you have to admit that is a misconception about you. I think a lot of them. Yeah, I think a lot of people think that you. You wish ill upon them or why would you want them to do well without you? Why would you want them to do as good or better without you? You know, it did feel like you.

[Billy Corben]

Were rooting against Derek Jeter in particular.

[Stugotz]

Yeah.

[Mike Ryan]

So you didn't. He didn't ask me that, though, Mike.

[Billy Corben]

So now that there's separation from Jeter, you're back aboard and rooting for the Marlins overall success. But I think it's. It's fair to deduce that you weren't exactly rooting for the Marlins to be successful with that initial turnover to the Jeter regime.

[Mike Ryan]

I was rooting for the business to not be successful that he was running, so he understood how hard it was to run a business. But I always wanted the team to be successful. And so with Jeter, I was very happy when he was gone. And by the way, the ballpark yesterday was full of people happy he was gone. Jack McKeon never would have been there if Jeter were still there. He wouldn't have accepted the honor of going into the hall of Fame. He. He was very clear about it. I'm not coming here if Jeter is around. And Jeter was obviously gone. There's still some remnants of him, but very little. They've erased Jeter the way Jeter tried to erase me. It really is funny. All the stuff that Jeter tried to do is now.

[Billy Corben]

So how was your. Your time at Marlins Park Loan Depot.

[Mike Ryan]

I still called it Marlins Park. And I told. I met Caroline o' Connor yesterday. I had never met the team president before, and I didn't get invited yesterday. Except by Conine, I thought it was.

[Billy Corben]

You were an invited guest of Jack McKeon. You weren't even a McKeon guest. You were Conine.

[Mike Ryan]

McKeon didn't get guests other than family. All right, so Conine called me and said, are you coming in for Jack? And I said, no. Should I be? He said, come on, It's Sunday the 3rd against the Yankees. Come in. And I said, well, wait a minute. I think Dan's, like, away. I may have responsibilities with Metal Arc. Let me find out. And it all worked great. But I did not get an invitation. And the first thing I did is I texted Bruce Sherman and I said to him, would it be okay? He's the owner of the Marlins? And I texted him because I don't want to make a spectacle of it. I want it to be about Jack. So I texted him. And I. I mean, I could read you the text. It wasn't altogether anything other than funny.

[Stugotz]

Yeah.

[Mike Ryan]

Where I just asked him, what is your view of me coming to a game? And I put it in a different way. Am I allowed to read a text on air? I would totally fine. Right, Roy?

[Stugotz]

I would embellish it. Yeah.

[Dan LeBatard]

Yeah. You should make something Up. Oh, I was going to read.

[Mike Ryan]

Yeah, I'm going to read it exactly as it is.

[Stugotz]

Okay.

[Mike Ryan]

Bruce, this is David Sampson. Hope you and your family are doing well. I would like to attend the game on August 3rd when you're honoring Jack McKeon. I didn't want to just show up without letting you know, as I've not attended a game since 2017, that. Thank you. Let me know whether you would want to catch up and discuss. Have a great day.

[Billy Corben]

Catch up, huh?

[Mike Ryan]

I thought that was it.

[Izzy Gutierrez]

Did he leave you on red or. He answered back.

[Mike Ryan]

Oh, he wrote, thanks for reaching out, and I can imagine how important that is for you. Our entire organization is now pulling together and making the right investments to achieve goals in South Florida. And he went on very nicely and said, done. And then I got a call from the PR staff.

[Billy Corben]

And he didn't ask him about that? No. It sounds like he assumed it was on the record. That's written like someone that knew you were gonna read it aloud.

[Mike Ryan]

Well, he listens to the show every day. Okay, so he actually told me that.

[Izzy Gutierrez]

To nothing personal or to this show.

[Mike Ryan]

He listens to Nothing personal.

[Billy Corben]

He doesn't listen to. He doesn't listen to us at all. So you cleared it with the head guy.

[Mike Ryan]

Cleared it.

[Billy Corben]

Let's walk through your day. Going back to the stadium you built local taxpayers out of. All right. But it was diverted funds. It could have gone to something better.

[Mike Ryan]

What could it have gone to? Mike, don't. I'm not gonna let you get. To keep getting.

[Billy Corben]

What could it have gone to?

[Mike Ryan]

No.

[Billy Corben]

Teacher, structure. School.

[Mike Ryan]

No, no and no.

[Stugotz]

Wow.

[Billy Corben]

Okay. Third one. Okay, third. I guess didn't even say anything I like. I guess you can't take taxes that tourists pay and. And put them wherever you want.

[Mike Ryan]

You. You actually.

[Billy Corben]

I mean, I would have. I would have thought maybe a ballpark would have been a dumb answer, but clearly that was allowed.

[Mike Ryan]

School, convention.

[Stugotz]

Stupid.

[Billy Corben]

Infrastructure is stupid. But ballpark. Right answer.

[Mike Ryan]

We're back to this.

[Stugotz]

We're back to this.

[Billy Corben]

I mean, I'm highlighting the fact that there is obvious baggage. So what was it like for you?

[Mike Ryan]

It was fantastic baggage. You know how many people came up to me during the course of the game to say, I can't believe you diverted tourist money to this ballpark? Zero.

[Billy Corben]

I would assume. The point was made last week when we were discussing this and your return to the ballpark. If there is ever a house that is happy to see you, it's people that are in a ballpark that wouldn't have existed had you not built tourists that could have been diverted to schools.

[Mike Ryan]

Greg, I'm not doing it. I am. I promised my children that I would not get into this.

[Stugotz]

I, to this day, my support of the Marlins Stadium with taxpayer money is why Billy Corbin and I are mortal enemies. And I. It's. It's good for the community. There's a lot of things that are good for a community. Infrastructure is good. Better schools is good. Let's give all the teachers and cops a raise. That's good, too. You know what else is good for quality of life and for a community? A vibrant sports community. I understand new baseball stadium.

[Billy Corben]

I understand that argument. And the argument was to be made. I think this past weekend was arguably, certainly for regular season, one of the. The greatest moments in franchise history was a great weekend for the Marlins. I think it kind of underscores that those moments have been too far and few between, which is the part that.

[Greg Cote]

I'm hung up on, Mike, where David talked about, and I don't know the phrasing that you said exactly, but you said you wanted them to do well so you could be a part of what a legacy of winning?

[Mike Ryan]

Is that right?

[Greg Cote]

They have the least, if I'm to believe Google, they have the least winning seasons of any team in baseball. And I don't think nationally they're. They've got to do a lot more winning to, you know, nationally, they're just thought of. They got lucky a couple of times. So I don't think it's going to take a long time for them to say, oh, yeah, David Sampson, he was part of that really winning Miami Marlins organization.

[Mike Ryan]

Keep bringing it for me, I think it must be good for the show. But obviously your facts are somewhat wrong because when I'm talking about winning, I'm talking about World Series. And we have two World Series that are a bunch of organizations that have zero. And the legacy doesn't come from a good regular season record. It comes from a good World Series. Those are all.

[Greg Cote]

Nothing I said was wrong.

[Billy Corben]

All right, I apologize. Let's move this.

[Dan LeBatard]

This is a fun weekend.

[Billy Corben]

Yeah.

[Mike Ryan]

How are we not talking about the fact that the Marlins are back at.500? They're back with a team that's fun to watch. They swept the Yankees for the first time in franchise history. And above that, our Marlins are the only team in the entire league of all 30 teams. We're the only team to have a winning record against the Yankees, the only team in the history of baseball to have a winning record against the Yankees. It's Fantastic.

[Stugotz]

I do want to ask you, David, about the grand plan though. When you see what they're doing now, they're winning with the youngest team in the major leagues. Is that something that's sustainable? Because when I look at the big picture of the Marlins, I still see an owner, Bruce Sherman, who isn't spending nearly enough money. You can have both. The Dodgers have a great team and a pretty damn great farm system. You can have both. If the Marlins are doing one but not the other, they're never going to compete on that level.

[Mike Ryan]

There are many teams who can do both. Aren't the Dodgers? It's a bad example because they're such an outlier. The Dodgers are as big an outlier as the Marlins are.

[Stugotz]

Okay.

[Mike Ryan]

Just on one side of the curve.

[Stugotz]

So Tampa Bay. Right. That's example. Okay. Everybody's example is Tampa Bay. So you're saying that Bruce Sherman is now has the excuse he needs to keep not spending by the fact that they're winning with a farm system?

[Mike Ryan]

No, because those players get older and so you have to choose who you're going to let go through arbitration and then who you're going to let get to free agency. Who. Who you may extend. There may be a wander Franco. And I don't mean. And don't take that the wrong way, folks. I don't mean the criminal wander Franco. I mean a young player who gets a huge deal as a early in their career guy, like a zero plus. Would you sign Stowers? You know Stowers, the guy who's now on a list with Cliff Floyd and Carlos Delgado as the most lefty home runs for the Marlins ever. He. It was a throw in. In the Rogers trade. That was a Connor Norby trade. Connor Norby now has been completely passed by Stowers. Meanwhile, Rogers is good on the Orioles, but you never know. You never know with prospects. But would you sign Stowers now?

[Stugotz]

Of course I would. He's the only All Star. I would sign him.

[Mike Ryan]

Well, he.

[Dan LeBatard]

But what do you sign him for? I mean it's been half a season, a little more than half a season.

[Stugotz]

I wouldn't lavish him with a record contract, but I would try to sew him up for a few years because they need to do that.

[Mike Ryan]

There is signed for five more years.

[Stugotz]

Okay. Their pitching staff is looking solid. Yuri Perez the other day had had a gem of a game. But they still need a big bat or two. Right? Okay. Why not before the trade deadline spend a couple of those prospects and actually surprise people by spending big Money on a big bat. I'm just saying you can do both. You can have the youngest team in the league, but also spend more than Sherman's spending. That's what continues frustrating for me.

[Mike Ryan]

You've had an issue with every owner and what they're spending is since your time in Miami.

[Stugotz]

Right.

[Mike Ryan]

I believe you had the same issue with Henry, you had the same issue with Laurie and the same issue with Sherman. Right?

[Stugotz]

Right.

[Mike Ryan]

So is it a you thing?

[Stugotz]

No, it's. It's looking at the teams in baseball and the amount of money they're spending and the correlation with winning. And if you're forever using the example, Tampa did it, we're going to do it. We're not going to spend, and we're still going to win. It's a faulty premise, that's all. And you can do both. Like, if I'm sitting here with Bruce Sherman right now, I'm like, why can't you do both? Why can't you have the youngest team in the league and have a solid farm system, but also occasionally go out and spend big for a free agent? Why is that impossible?

[Billy Corben]

I actually think the Marlins, in the years that followed their 03 win, provided a model that could be sustainable if they were in their own ballpark. That was always the excuse from the Marlins, but they did spend. They were aggressive. They made acquisitions. They were. There were bidding wars for guys like Nick Johnson. The Paula Duca trade was a big trade. They went out and. And went for it. They fell short. There was a series against the Astros, I think that would have. That stopped you guys from taking that core back to the playoffs, but that window closed. You guys didn't have the playoff appearances to hang your hat on, and you said you couldn't maintain that level of spending because you didn't have the revenue attached to a ballpark cut. To them now having the ballpark, they're still not spending money.

[Mike Ryan]

They're still the revenue.

[Billy Corben]

They're still crying poor.

[Mike Ryan]

Well, I would just like to say tonight's an interesting game because they're playing the Astros. And I will bet you a dollar to a donut that their paid attendance, actual paid attendance, will be around 12, maybe 14. And regardless of what, they'd be great.

[Billy Corben]

For them to carry this momentum through, but it's.

[Mike Ryan]

It's very hard. It was a lot of Yankee fans, but the Yankee fans were cheering for the Marlins. And that gate gives me great pleasure. But if you're allocating your money over a homestand, you went this weekend, you're Likely not going to go against the Astros though you should because the, the Marlins are planning to go over.500 today. In theory, they're on the outskirts of a race, but it's still fun to watch. But they won't.

[Billy Corben]

Do you think that there's maybe connection points to. In 03, you guys had a big time regular season series against the the Diamondbacks. You had Don Trill versus Randy Johnson, espn, nationally televised. I think one of those games and there was momentum. There was certainly as someone that had a ticket plan then, there was certainly an uptick in people attending those games. Now it's a little bit different.03 was better positioned for a deeper run. They had players entering their prime. They had known commodities. But if there's ever a time for this franchise to gain some traction, it's when they have the calendar to themselves off a sweep of the Yankees rather than right back into another game to keep that momentum going.

[Mike Ryan]

So what would you do?

[Billy Corben]

I would have probably shown the fans a good faith effort in being a little bit more aggressive in the trade deadline. However, Billy was telling me that they, they. They certainly weren't sellers at the deadline. They, they made some moves. It would have been cool to get like a, a Carlos Lee type of acquisition.

[Dan LeBatard]

That choice.

[Billy Corben]

Well, I mean you guys had, you guys were good for a couple of those. The Carlos Lee's we tried to buy. Whenever you like whenever you guys thought you had an outside chance at the playoffs or slightly better than an outside chance, I don't think it was to the point that you were like six games back. But whenever you guys were within earshot like a series sweep away from being in that playoff conversation, you guys were active in those trade talks and I'd like to see this Marlins regime kind of go forward a little bit too. Bring in some recognizable names to reward the fans and their.

[Mike Ryan]

I thought you were mad, Mike. I thought Billy, the two of you were angry that we traded young players to bring in. Like when we got rid of good players like a Luis Castillo or a Chris.

[Billy Corben]

No, no, no, no. I was. I got mad because you, you traded away proven like Jose Reyes, Josh Johnson. Even if when you like hold when you point to that move.

[Dan LeBatard]

I would have traded standing for Manny, honestly.

[Mike Ryan]

Would you really?

[Billy Corben]

Yeah, I would kind of wanted Manny.

[Dan LeBatard]

Ramirez would have been so fun. Yeah, I wanted to adding him to that team. Imagine if Manny would. Would have been down here for a season. If you get. If you would have gotten a ring with Manny Ramirez. Oh if he would have played getting rid of Stanton, a legacy. Got rid of Stanton. Anyways, we never got Manny.

[Billy Corben]

Let's assume that he plays the exact same way that he. He did for the LA Dogs.

[Dan LeBatard]

I'd even take the steroid suspension a year later. Anyway, who cares? Dee Gordon got a steroid suspension. If we would have had that year of Manny and that tear, he went.

[Mike Ryan]

I should have called you. Yeah, because the argument with the marketing argument, the marketing people were all in because Stanton is, at the time, as you will recall, was not Stanton.

[Dan LeBatard]

He was still Mike.

[Mike Ryan]

He was Mike Stanton.

[Greg Cote]

Totally different person.

[Mike Ryan]

Totally different person. He had the same body.

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[Greg Cote]

You said that they kind of remind you of 03. When I was walking in, Mac mentioned that they kind of remind him of the 97 team.

[Stugotz]

Wow.

[Greg Cote]

So I don't know which is it?

[Mike Ryan]

The 97 team was way more veteran. Remember when Huizenga put that team together, he put a bunch of veterans together and he actually said and I wasn't in baseball at the time, but as a fan, I remember Huizenga saying if I don't get a new stadium bill for me, I'm trading them all whether we win or lose. He was very honest. You were in the media. He was honest during the season.

[Stugotz]

Yeah.

[Mike Ryan]

He didn't wait for them to win the World Series to do the fire sale. He told you mid season. I don't know where this ends, but it ends no matter what off the field with us trading every one of them.

[Stugotz]

No, Heising was a great owner in this community. Panthers. I mean he was, he was vilified like a lot of owners are when they leave. But. And he did have fire sales. But Wayne Heising as a should be seen as a saint in this.

[Billy Corben]

I don't know about saint, but I mean it's when you pass. I think people can point to the legacy in that he. The teams exist because of his contribution. Dolphins fans feel a certain type of way about him, but Panther fans and Marlins fans should owe him an eternal debt of gratitude because he was part of groups that brought those Pro sports to town.

[Stugotz]

That's a pretty big barometer to start with. When you exist because of this guy.

[Mike Ryan]

Would you have booed at Wayne Huizenga's funeral?

[Dan LeBatard]

I booed Wayne Huizenga when you guys brought him back the last game at the old stadium and he was there like Wayne Huizenga.

[Mike Ryan]

I was like, boo. Are you booing the.

[Dan LeBatard]

I hate him. I hate him. Yeah, no, I don't, I don't want to meet him. I'm happy not meeting him and booing him.

[Stugotz]

Yeah, you'll never meet him, Billy.

[Mike Ryan]

But what's the.

[Dan LeBatard]

Worked out perfectly for me.

[Mike Ryan]

What's the origin of the boo, Billy. Are you angry?

[Dan LeBatard]

Broke up my championship team, David.

[Mike Ryan]

So the fire sale of 97 Boo. And nothing about Dolphins, Panthers, I don't care about that. Boo.

[Dan LeBatard]

Do one bad thing, that's it. Look at Oche.

[Mike Ryan]

That's a con. That's a conversation ender that you're going to compare Wayne Huizenga, just saying.

[Dan LeBatard]

Well, no, I'm not comparing. Well, he didn't murder my franchise. But I'm just saying, you know, one bad thing kind of sticks out more than all the good things. Can I ask you a question unrelated to all of this, but somewhat related to this weekend? Stanton, I would say in a weird way, just because he ended up on the Yankees, he has a career that will possibly probably get him in the hall of Fame if he gets 500 home runs, but still feel almost like forgotten in a sense. Like, he's not a guy that I think people think of as like one of the all time great home run hitters. Just because he's on the Yankees, he's playing at the same time as like, is there a way to quietly be a Hall of famer with 500 career home runs? Because I feel like he may be doing that.

[Mike Ryan]

Was Harold Baines a quiet hall of Famer in your mind?

[Stugotz]

Well, that's an example of the flaw in, in the voting system. That's a guy. Exhibit A. Harold Baines is a Hall of Famer. Is a travesty, right?

[Mike Ryan]

He's such a good guy.

[Stugotz]

I don't care. He's such a good guy. You know how much. Okay, don't get me started on this. I'm a. Oh, wow. I'm a whole. You may not even know I'm a Hall of Fame voter. Okay. Harold Baines, in years of voting, years and years, 15, 20 years, whatever it was, of voting by the BBWA, I don't think ever got more than 4.

[Mike Ryan]

6% get 10 on the ballot.

[Stugotz]

Okay. Eventually. And we have another example this in what just happened in football where Sherling Sharpe gets in, Sterling Sharp gets in on his 28th year on the ballot. Quit. Veterans committees quit. Putting in these players who have been passed over for decades. And Harold Baines a great example. I don't know what even led to that. But you bringing up Harold Banes. Come on. As an example of what?

[Greg Cote]

The name Harold Banes just sets you off.

[Stugotz]

I mean, it's just. Nothing personal. Harold, we've never met. You were a very good player. Hall of. Pretty good. Hall of Fame. Gotta be kidding me.

[Mike Ryan]

Do you have Stanton above Harold Baines or below?

[Stugotz]

Yes.

[Mike Ryan]

Yes.

[Stugotz]

Yeah. Stanton. 500 home runs was always. You're in. And with the exception, I think, of Jose Canseco and all his off, off field baggage.

[Mike Ryan]

Mark McGuire.

[Stugotz]

Mark McGuire.

[Dan LeBatard]

Gary Sheffield.

[Stugotz]

The steroids. The steroids. Right, the steroids.

[Mike Ryan]

Other than those exceptions. Yeah.

[Stugotz]

So if. If you're a steroid guy, you still have trouble getting in. Although that is a whole different discussion.

[Dan LeBatard]

Well, if you're a steroid guy that people liked and had, you know, fun personality here in.

[Stugotz]

Yeah.

[Dan LeBatard]

First ballot. Or a catcher, no questions asked.

[Stugotz]

But I personally think Stanton will get in because he's got no baggage that I'm aware of. So he's a. He's a Hall of Famer to me. What do you think?

[Mike Ryan]

If he gets 500 home runs, he will be a Hall of Famer. I just took exception. I think what Mike is saying is that. Or was that you, Billy? It's hard to know. Or maybe it was Izzy. This whole.

[Dan LeBatard]

It was Billy.

[Mike Ryan]

I thought I was walking into a room of just calm and great, and it turned around in the first five minutes of the show, and I was sad about that.

[Billy Corben]

No, no, no, no, no, no. In fact, Billy was right to seize on that. I was trying to dig myself out of it. I'm just. For the uninitiated, I'm framing where your place is in Mar. It's a complicated one. So back to your experience at Marlins ballpark. See any familiar faces? Was there any awkward moments or. It was all a positive experience.

[Mike Ryan]

I met the new president of the team and I'd never met her.

[Stugotz]

She's great.

[Mike Ryan]

And I. All I know is that she was associated with Jeter. Now she's trying to disassociate herself from Jeter. And she said something to me that I took as very nice, that the person I was with took is slightly condescending, but I took it as fine. It was, hey, you should feel very proud of the role you had in all this. And so I took that as, wow, that's very nice of you to say building exists. Cause they're in a building that is a building because of what we did, honoring a championship team that we were a part of. And so I didn't take it that way, but I was with someone who was like, oh, you need to respond to that.

[Izzy Gutierrez]

Did you tell her about the time capsule or.

[Stugotz]

No.

[Mike Ryan]

Were you with me yesterday?

[Izzy Gutierrez]

I wasn't, but I have a feeling.

[Mike Ryan]

We went searching for the column that has the buried time capsule because we wanted to put a plaque on it. And the New Marlins won't put a plaque on it. It's gonna be found whenever you rip down Marlins Park. There's two capsules, and they're in the columns on the north side of the building. And I've got the video from August 26th of 09 of the capsules being buried and in there, like the World Series dvd. Because when you discover it, you'll want to watch the 03 DVD. And we put in a DVD player.

[Stugotz]

Oh.

[Mike Ryan]

Cause how else would we be able to play a dvd?

[Stugotz]

Yeah. Smart.

[Mike Ryan]

So was this.

[Greg Cote]

Like, you don't plan on ever seeing this in your lifetime, Right? So what is the payoff? Like, you go to your DeathBed Knowing that 100, 200 years from now, somebody's.

[Mike Ryan]

Going to find that it's the path.

[Billy Corben]

They'll rip it off before then, trust me.

[Mike Ryan]

Well, it's Miami. It's under concrete, so it's not like it's going to get. No, water will get it, and animals won't get it. There won't be bones underneath there. This is going to be something that eventually will be discovered. And we have a date on it. We have people's initials, and when you open the box, it's like a sarcophagus. When you open the box, it's got all sorts of items in it that we have cataloged, and we'll all be dead, I would assume.

[Izzy Gutierrez]

What time, what year do you think that they tear it down and they.

[Mike Ryan]

Open up that time capsule? If you would ballpark it, I would assume in 20, 80, 90 years old. So maybe I see it, if I.

[Dan LeBatard]

Had a guess, Marium on the horizon.

[Stugotz]

Huh?

[Mike Ryan]

I mean, you'll. I'll be. I'll be likely dead. You'll be gone. Yeah. I'll live to. I could live to 112.

[Stugotz]

You could live to 112. You're in good shape. I'm looking at you as one 12 year old, man.

[Mike Ryan]

You know what? Then I'm going to have to go with 2110.

[Stugotz]

Okay, let's do it.

[Billy Corben]

All right.

[Unknown]

Then I'll be.

[Mike Ryan]

We could go 2112 and say that's 100 years of the. Of the ballpark and say that's when they'll tear it down. How old was the orange ball when they tore that down?

[Dan LeBatard]

Felt like 800, right?

[Mike Ryan]

Was it around a couple of centuries? Anyone know when the Orange bowl got built? Right. Were you alive?

[Stugotz]

I was not alive.

[Dan LeBatard]

1935, first game.

[Stugotz]

Yeah. It was just prior to the Great Depression, I'm told.

[Mike Ryan]

So it didn't even last 100 years.

[Stugotz]

No.

[Mike Ryan]

So last year, David is way hard. So it'll be. So I may be alive, Izzy, in which case it'd be amazing. And maybe you guys will do a show because you'll still be doing shows here. And you'll say, what exactly was that that you buried? But. But Mike, I. I got to see a lot of people, a lot of security people who remembered me. Some didn't. Didn't know me. They were new. I got to go down and see the visiting clubhouse. And I did not get into the home clubhouse. I wanted to see whether the Muhammad Ali plaque is still there, which is in the. Have you been in the home clubhouse recently?

[Stugotz]

I think it is the last time I was in there.

[Mike Ryan]

Walk in and turn right. And that's where the plaque is.

[Stugotz]

Yeah. And they also still have sayings in there, I think inspirational sayings or something like that.

[Dan LeBatard]

Yeah. The Miami Orange bowl broke Ground in 1936. They played their first game there in 1937. The Orange bowl game was first played in 1935.

[Mike Ryan]

Where they play it elsewhere. Like, was there another stadium in Miami?

[Dan LeBatard]

Looking into this, Just a moment.

[Mike Ryan]

Bobby Maduro Stadium. Do you remember that?

[Stugotz]

It's gotta be before it. No.

[Billy Corben]

Alapata. Howdy, folks, it's Mike Ryan.

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[Billy Corben]

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[Stugotz]

Don LeBatard I heard that as a woman faking pain, I didn't think that sounded real. I really didn't. You know, it was not fake.

[Billy Corben]

It was in no way fake.

[Dan LeBatard]

You can spot a woman faking it.

[Billy Corben]

Stugats.

[Stugotz]

Yes, I can. Jess Expert. I've been married 40 years.

[Dan LeBatard]

This is the Dan Levatar show with the stugats.

[Mike Ryan]

Mike. I felt all the great feelings of great accomplishment.

[Dan LeBatard]

Why would you have felt bad about that comment, by the way?

[Mike Ryan]

I didn't. So I asked the person I was with why the reaction was. And it was someone who had known that she and Jeter had been less than nice toward me before and so went in with the negative attitude sometimes the way you guys do. But it turns out that she was being told.

[Greg Cote]

You point directly to me.

[Billy Corben]

And in response, did you say niner? I thought she was authentic.

[Mike Ryan]

I did not say that.

[Billy Corben]

You didn't say niner.

[Mike Ryan]

I said. I said Louie. Louie. Poppy, you misunderstood. There's a lot of Spanish being spoken. But I did park in a no blocky spot because I had no access to my old garage. No access to my old spot, and I had to go through security. I could not go through the player entrance.

[Stugotz]

That's crazy.

[Mike Ryan]

I couldn't go through Jeffrey's garage.

[Billy Corben]

Did you wear your ring?

[Mike Ryan]

Yes.

[Billy Corben]

Yeah, it's a. That's a moment. It feels like a little high school reunion.

[Mike Ryan]

So why did I wear the ring? Because we were celebrating jack in the O3 championship. Everyone. Conan wore his ring to terror. Wore his ring. Louis forgot his ring. Because he's Louis.

[Dan LeBatard]

Classic Louis.

[Billy Corben]

It's.

[Mike Ryan]

It's what he did.

[Greg Cote]

Speaking of living to 110, Jack McKeon looks great for what, 94.

[Billy Corben]

Secret to Aging.

[Mike Ryan]

He turns 95 in November. And I said to Jack yesterday, I had you wrong all the time. You looked absolutely so old when you were 71.

[Billy Corben]

Yes. That's a secret to aging.

[Mike Ryan]

Yeah.

[Billy Corben]

He's 71 for 40 years.

[Mike Ryan]

It's an amazing thing when you look old, when you're young, you are in great shape. You just have to make it there.

[Stugotz]

Yeah.

[Mike Ryan]

And he's made it. He was staying at the Hard Rock doing gambling. He and Carol gamble at a casino. That's what they do. They were put up at this nice hotel by the Marlins. He turned it down because he wanted to gamble. And so he goes with Carol, his wife, who's slowed down but amazing. And they sit in the machines.

[Stugotz]

Oh, yeah. They're.

[Billy Corben]

I mean, they look like a slot machine couple.

[Stugotz]

He plays slots.

[Billy Corben]

They do cigars sticking out of his mouth and just heading.

[Mike Ryan]

Of course. It's of kind. Gambling.

[Stugotz]

Two cigars at once. That guy.

[Mike Ryan]

You know, slots are the number one revenue of the casino.

[Stugotz]

I bet they are.

[Mike Ryan]

So that's gambling.

[Stugotz]

Okay.

[Mike Ryan]

It's like prop bets.

[Stugotz]

Speaking of revenue, do you think that the fact that they don't. Marlins don't draw crowds, is that an excuse for an owner not spending? Because I. My understanding is that baseball revenue streams. Attendance might be third on the revenue stream. So is whether they're averaging 14,000 fans or 24,000 fans, they're still making money.

[Mike Ryan]

Well, it doesn't matter. Don't ever look at attendance, guys. Look at average ticket price. You have to look at how much people are paying for those tickets.

[Stugotz]

Right.

[Mike Ryan]

Because you can get 30,000 people at a dollar.

[Stugotz]

Right.

[Mike Ryan]

And then you're only making 30 grand. Yeah, that's not so good.

[Stugotz]

Okay.

[Mike Ryan]

Like those dollar days and dollar dog days and all that stuff. But really, the revenue, that hurt the Marlins, and it's hurt the Guardians, it's hurt the Cardinals. All these payrolls going down, their TV revenue disappeared. The Marlins had a great TV deal ready to roll. And then bankruptcy.

[Stugotz]

Yeah.

[Mike Ryan]

The regional sports network went bankrupt. Therefore, all those deals got renegotiated. That's why all sorts of payrolls went down. The Dodgers have their own deal that their company did not go bankrupt because it was guaranteed by Comcast, Whereas the Marlins, the Cardinals, the Guardians, the brewers, the Braves, everyone else only was guaranteed at the regional sports network level, which means they couldn't go higher to the main company in order to keep their contract going. Okay, so it's. So there are a bunch of teams whose payrolls have gone down. Are you saying. Okay, you'd rather you don't agree or you don't buy?

[Stugotz]

I think there's a chicken and egg thing at work. I think if you're consistently winning, the crowds will increase. I think if you have a starry roster with a couple of big names peppered in, attendance will increase. I think if you're constantly going with the opposite, that attendance is stuck.

[Mike Ryan]

Yeah. The Marlins have never drawn before me and after me.

[Stugotz]

Right.

[Mike Ryan]

It's just. It really is not me. It's been a. It's been going on forever. But the exciting part of yesterday is seeing why the ballpark was built and what could be. That's what interested me. Walking around, Mike. When I walked around, I was interested in talking to people, and I talked to people wearing marlin stuff. I talked to people wearing Yankee stuff. I talked to families that had both. And I just wanted to know how they're doing. And they were just happy. Yeah, they were happy to be there. They were happy to have the memory, the experience. They weren't like you guys. They were just happy. And that made me happy.

[Stugotz]

It always amazes to me, Amazes me that Marlins fans who do go to games aren't more upset with the franchise. I keep expecting to see signs, but this has been a good Sherman. Spend some damn money.

[Dan LeBatard]

But this is such a weird time to be mad about that. Like, they crawled back to.500 after being 16 years old.

[Stugotz]

It is right now. You're right.

[Dan LeBatard]

They have Augustine Ramirez, who could win the NL Rookie of the Year. Kyle Stowers came out of nowhere, has 25 home runs like they have young talent. They also. They didn't add at the deadline, but they didn't sell, which is what everyone expected them to do, in part because it was a surprise team. A lot of these guys are under control for a while now. Even Sandy's under control. Like in the offseason, we can see if they get a better offer for him and end up moving him, but they seem to be kind of building a foundation here. Whether you think this run is fluky or not now, I guess let's see what they do in the off season if they add or if they don't.

[Greg Cote]

But isn't that PTSD from Greg, like.

[Dan LeBatard]

Oh, it's saying this right now.

[Greg Cote]

We need to get better right now, now, because we're not going to have much time with these guys.

[Stugotz]

Yeah, right. Because the. The modus operandi for this franchise for decades has been you get a.

[Dan LeBatard]

You.

[Stugotz]

You develop a great player, and when he's coming up to award with a lavish contract, that's when you sell him and reduce your salary again. Right. I mean, it's been. Rinse, repeat. No, come on.

[Mike Ryan]

I can't talk to you right now, Greg.

[Stugotz]

Okay.

[Billy Corben]

Is because you have something in your throat.

[Stugotz]

Yeah.

[Billy Corben]

Drink some water or something.

[Stugotz]

Okay.

[Mike Ryan]

Now, the reason I can't talk to you is that you're not talking about any other franchise. And you do this all the time. You do this as a columnist and as a team president in this market. I couldn't stand it.

[Stugotz]

I talk about other teams.

[Mike Ryan]

No, but you don't.

[Stugotz]

Yes, I do.

[Mike Ryan]

I'd like you to tell me another team right now where you perceive that they keep everybody always.

[Greg Cote]

Who's mad now?

[Mike Ryan]

I'm very angry right now, and I was trying to stay calm this entire segment, but you just triggered it. I sing it's the Marlins for decades.

[Stugotz]

I single out the Marlins because they for decades don't spend to a major league level.

[Mike Ryan]

I asked you to go through other teams. Just tell me about the Twins. Tell me about the Guardians, the Rays. Tell me about the Royals.

[Billy Corben]

Wait, are you going to do the thing where we pick really good teams and you're going to cherry pick like the one guy of their court, Yankees.

[Mike Ryan]

I'm going to go through all the.

[Billy Corben]

Teams, but there are really good teams like say the Astros.

[Mike Ryan]

They're a great example. They let Correa go.

[Billy Corben]

They let Correa go even though Correa is back. I think I thought I read that somewhere. But there were plenty of guys important to that core core that stuck around. Altuve is still there. There are pitchers that had a hand in, in. In their appearances that are still there. Or so I read. I don't really follow the sport.

[Mike Ryan]

Are you talking about since the 2017 championship? That's eight years ago.

[Billy Corben]

They've got Springer, Dinger moved on.

[Mike Ryan]

I know that McCullers and Altuve, I mean, that's.

[Billy Corben]

That that's pretty good holdovers from a championship team.

[Mike Ryan]

Okay, so I'd like you to go through the 03 championship certainly longer than.

[Billy Corben]

Miguel Cabrera hung on.

[Mike Ryan]

Miguel Cabrera didn't win a championship.

[Billy Corben]

Yes, he did.

[Mike Ryan]

You know, after 03.

[Billy Corben]

No, no, no, no, no, NO. I mean in 03, he won a championship.

[Mike Ryan]

I'm talking about championships before 05 and 06.

[Billy Corben]

Yeah, that's three years. That's way. Altuve has been with the Astros for way longer. Talking about identifiable faces of the franchise, you can cherry pick a couple of franchises that have decided to move on from contributors, but at the very same time, you can point to their roster and say there's someone still on that roster from that championship run that fans can still identify.

[Dan LeBatard]

Historically, the Marlins don't have a lifer. Like, we can't argue that just like, like free agency obviously has traded has changed the way that sports work as well. But the Marlins, you know when you have their hall of Fame that they exist. The question is, well, who was the first one to get in? Like, let's try to figure that out. Because there isn't a actual Mr. Marlin, even though Jeff Conan has that nickname and he doesn't like it just because there aren't really any lifer players. It is the pattern that Greg has stated is what does end up happening. It happens places elsewhere too. But this has just been a unique franchise because of the success in the two World Series where fans are less accepting of it because it's like, well, we built it. We had this championship team and then they got traded.

[Billy Corben]

Anyway, it's a pretty unique problem that the Marlins have that it's hard to put someone in the hallway.

[Dan LeBatard]

Because of the success. Because of the success.

[Mike Ryan]

I'm still whistling Dixie in the elevator, doing a two step because I am not going to.

[Billy Corben]

Probably shouldn't whistle.

[Dan LeBatard]

Yeah, probably shouldn't.

[Billy Corben]

There has been a societal shift.

[Mike Ryan]

I'm very happy, had a great weekend, had great fun, and I'm proud to be a Marlins fan. And I assume that you guys one day will be too.