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Amin Elhassan
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Billy Corben
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Amin Elhassan
There's nobody last night who was more delighted by the turn of events than the one and only Dan Lerd. Oh, my God. I had to do a two hour stream with him last night. And it happened right when that Bulls game was ending. We had Nick Wright on and it was crazy, right, Dan? I could see Dan, who's. Who's obviously not here. He's out of town. I could see him like, want to parachute back in and do the show today? And I said, no, no, we can't do that.
Mike Ryan
We got it.
Amin Elhassan
We got it from here. But the second happiest person has to be Stephen A. Smith. This is like the exact other side of the coin from the Pacers game, right? Pacers game happens. LeBron's in Indiana. He does Pat McAfee. They post all the memes. Him and Kevin Love are tag teaming like the ha ha. Look at Stephen A. Smith trying to box and all that stuff. And then LeBron has a tip in to win the game. And it's like top of the mountaintop. That's why you don't mess with the big dog. And then literally one night later, LeBron has that turnover. And then Josh Giddey, of all people, hits a half Court shot over him. And I know somewhere Stephen A. Smith popped just straight up explosion of ecstasy, right? But there is someone who is the saddest person in all of these proceedings. It's not LeBron. I don't think. I don't think he's sad. I mean, it happens. He's gonna play another game. They play Memphis on Saturday. We move on, right? It's not the Lakers who are seeing their playoff seating in jeopardy here. It's Skip Bayless. Do you understand? Skip Bayless spent over a decade. This is a great take, right? Like needling LeBron, calling him all sorts of names, trying to bait him. Like, acknowledge me, just acknowledge me once. Come on, I dare you. Debate me here and all that stuff, right? And he did a show with Stephen A. Smith and he was doing this. And he did a show with Shannon Sharpe and he was doing this. And then he did a show with Lil Wayne and a bunch of other people and he was doing this, right? And then he stepped away from doing a show, said, I'm gonna go chill in my house. I'll do some stuff on YouTube.
Dan LeBatard
That's definitely how that went, right?
Chris Cote
With Geraldine.
Amin Elhassan
He has his own Ernestine, right? So like, it's like, all right, okay, whatever. We gave him the old college try 20 years, it didn't work, all right? And then the moment he steps aside, not only does this thing happen, it happens to Stephen A. Smith and not Skip. Like, I've been here this whole time, I've been saying wild shit time. Why don't you acknowledge me? Why did you run up on me?
Greg Cote
Isn't that connected though, in some ways?
Amin Elhassan
Is it?
Greg Cote
Because isn't this probably why LeBron, when he felt the comments from Stephen A. Smith, was probably more disappointed in Stephen A. Smith. And he doesn't care what Skip says.
Amin Elhassan
Uh huh.
Greg Cote
And that's probably just hurts Skip even more, of course, that it's like I not even looked at with enough respect to get under your skin.
Amin Elhassan
The most aggrieved party here is Skip Bayless. Because not only did it not happen to him, Hawk, he doesn't have the opportunity to go on air across, like across the nation, nationwide TV and do his thing.
Mike Ryan
He's in like a straight jacket.
Amin Elhassan
Yeah.
Mike Ryan
You're at the crazy farm and all of a sudden it's like, that was me. And they're like, okay, grandpa, you're, you know, like, I was the one doing that first.
Amin Elhassan
I was the first one.
Mike Ryan
Sure, sure, okay.
Dan LeBatard
And also, Dak Prescot trade rumors. He's probably losing his mind talking about.
Amin Elhassan
Dan wanting to parachute in.
Greg Cote
This is how I feel when I see crazy route footwork videos going viral nowadays, or like, a bunch of short receivers in the NFL being superstars. I feel like I'm in that straight jacket. I'm Skip Bayless in that situation. I was short first.
Amin Elhassan
The funny thing is just that is that idea that you say that, and on some level you're right. But everyone looks at you like, okay.
Greg Cote
Okay, old man, get a hold of this guy.
Amin Elhassan
Maybe it might be bedt that good. CTE is acting up again.
Greg Cote
The function. See, it's messed up, man. I do feel now I feel bad for Skip Bayless, and I did it before you started this take.
Amin Elhassan
It's sad, man. It's sad. And, like, legitimately, the feeling of, hey, man, I created this thing. I champion this thing, and then someone else is gonna take it from me and make it way more popular to the point where no one's gonna acknowledge where it came from. It's gotta be.
Dan LeBatard
I must be honest. I mean, I hadn't thought of him this entire time. You're the first person to actually invoke his name revolving.
Amin Elhassan
It's me. It is me.
Dan LeBatard
He's probably grateful for this because, I mean, granted, I know he loves to take. Right. He wants to weigh in on this. He wants to have the outlet, but to not have a platform, to not even being be thought of, that's. That's kind of cruel.
Amin Elhassan
Yeah.
Greg Cote
I think I'm just now realizing that Stephen A and Skip had the same take this this whole time.
Dan LeBatard
That was confusing, right? But I guess he was doing his villainy thing. Not exactly. Fully opposite of Stephen A. I feel like my childhood. They were on the same team all the time.
Greg Cote
I feel like my childhood was a lie.
Amin Elhassan
Is. Is it. Was Stephen A doing the ultimate yes and or no. But he was doing no, but he.
Mike Ryan
Was doing no, but he was doing.
Amin Elhassan
No but the whole time. Yeah. Right. Like every time him and Skip would get together, Skip would say this, and he would, no, but him. As opposed to yes and him, which is great for debate television. Right. That's exactly what you want. But secretly, deep down inside, because, like, think about all the things that Stephen A said. Right? Like, that's why I never liked him. He's a backstabber. He's all these things he said on first take. The next day, it's like, oh, man, did you always feel like this?
Dan LeBatard
Apparently. And I saw a clip of Nick Wright's show where he's like, jordan texts Stephen A. LeBron doesn't text Stephen A. And that's basically this whole thing. I was like, why am I just learning that Jordan text Stephen A? Why wasn't this agenda more clear to me?
Greg Cote
No, no.
Dan LeBatard
What happened?
Amin Elhassan
Jordan texts. He texts all the. His main guys, you know?
Dan LeBatard
Does he text you?
Amin Elhassan
I mean, there's a reason why he's coming to the funeral. Jordan's coming to my funeral.
Greg Cote
Jordan's not coming to your funeral.
Amin Elhassan
He's coming to my funeral.
Greg Cote
Jordan is not coming to your funeral.
Amin Elhassan
He's coming to my funeral. I just got to make sure I die in North Carolina.
Mike Ryan
Jordan who oribies.
Greg Cote
Hopefully he's there. Belfort, you gotta die in North Carolina while. While he's there.
Dan LeBatard
Preferably at, like, maybe the 17th hole.
Amin Elhassan
So, yeah, like, I wanna. I wanna.
Dan LeBatard
That's where the wake is. And you can grab a cocktail on the way there. Just kind of wave and you have.
Greg Cote
To walk through the wake to get to the parking lot.
Dan LeBatard
Yeah, you have to. No one can talk during his backswing, though. No. No memories of him.
Mike Ryan
Quiet during the backswing.
Dan LeBatard
Like, silence is for MJ's drive, not for a mean.
Greg Cote
His putter has to be positioned right by your casket when he gets on the green of hole 17.
Dan LeBatard
Yes.
Greg Cote
And that is the only way he will be at a means.
Dan LeBatard
And his memory of you will be directly tied to his performance on that hole. Like, it needs to be you. The very least par. The very least par.
Greg Cote
And someone. Someone had to have bet him before he got to the golf course that he bet he could not go for par and go to your funeral.
Amin Elhassan
That's a parlay, right?
Dan LeBatard
A literal parlay.
Greg Cote
That's good. Yes. That is the only way.
Dan LeBatard
Eagles. He might speak. He might share his thoughts.
Amin Elhassan
Ooh. Oh, wow. Well, hold on now. You've got. This whole time I've been fixated on Michael Jordan being at my funeral. I never consider Michael Jordan saying a couple words.
Dan LeBatard
Yeah. Provided that everything is at the 17th hole at his local course and you work it out with his tee time. He will definitely, definitely speak, provided he. Eagles.
Amin Elhassan
Yeah. Oh, man. Okay, let me get on that.
Greg Cote
And by speaking, he's going to ask where the bathroom is.
Amin Elhassan
No, hold on now. You're not going to do this to me.
Greg Cote
He's not coming to your funeral.
Amin Elhassan
I mean, he's coming to my funeral.
Greg Cote
He's not willing to bet so much money. Let's put it in your will.
Amin Elhassan
Sure.
Greg Cote
That if I'm wrong, I will give this money to your estate, to whoever you like, whoever you're leaving all your assets.
Amin Elhassan
Yes, I like that.
Greg Cote
And this is kind of doing me a dispute disservice, because Mike's going to see this, and he's going to consider it a challenge because I'm saying something.
Amin Elhassan
Andrew Hawkins couldn't do it. You can't do it.
Greg Cote
Jordan can't do.
Amin Elhassan
Okay.
Greg Cote
He is not coming to your funeral.
Amin Elhassan
And that's when he took it personal.
Greg Cote
He might take that personal. That is my honest beliefs right now.
Amin Elhassan
I want to see someone else take it personal. Let's take a look at the shot that Josh Giddey hit here. So. So Austin Reese had just made a layup, right? Go ahead and run it. I mean, the inbound. Josh Giddey brings it up exactly half court over LeBron. Might I. Crowd goes nuts.
Dan LeBatard
I understand. You try to provide some context. There was a layup made beforehand.
Amin Elhassan
Yeah.
Dan LeBatard
There was so much that happened.
Greg Cote
There's so much.
Dan LeBatard
There was like, the craziest 15 seconds.
Amin Elhassan
Yes. The entire segment sequence. Will play it in a second. But I wanted to show the shot itself because this was Dan LeBatard's reaction, his live reaction at finding out that the shot was made. Go ahead.
Greg Cote
All right. Luka is inbounding it.
Valerie
LeBron breaking open to the top. He gives it to Reaves. Reeves to the basket.
Amin Elhassan
Lay up. Good.
Valerie
Oh, LeBron never even touches the ball. The Bulls are out of timeouts. Giddy from half court.
Dan LeBatard
No, that. It is good.
Amin Elhassan
No, no, no, you're making from half court. No, you're making that up. You're making that up. He's not. You can't do that. You hold up his phone. Dan. Dan was about 7Mezcals deep at that point. You could tell by the hue, that rich hue in his face. He was fueled off of lots and lots of alcohol and was absolutely beside himself. He actually falls back in his chair after that, right? There's a shot of him with his feet above his head, and then he flips over, and then Valerie comes and checks on him. If you didn't see that, you gotta watch it. It's on YouTube, the whole thing, all two hours of it. There's another person I want to point out, because Dan. We had Dan's reaction. We got Nick Wright's reaction. And you know how. I don't know if you guys believe in reincarnation. Do you? Do you guys believe in reincarnation? Sometimes.
Greg Cote
You're not, hey, Mike's not coming to your funeral. Okay.
Amin Elhassan
No, no.
Greg Cote
You're not gonna also be there.
Amin Elhassan
You're gonna Be there, buddy. I'll come to my own funeral. How about that? Hey, Resurrection. Hey, you know, some people believe in reincarnation. Some people believe in whatever that thing was from the movie Fallen. You guys remember Fallen with Denzel Washington? Where the spirit. Exactly. The spirit goes from person to person, Right? The spirit of Stugac was in the building last night because Josh Giddey hits that shot. And they cut to the crowd and there's a dad and his kid, I think, courtside, and they're jumping up and celebrating. And this kid, ladies and gentlemen, he's holding a Laker jersey in his hand. This kid was rooting for the Lakers. Josh Giddey hits that shot, jersey comes off. Let me jump up and down with everybody else. Ladies and gentlemen, stugats. We found them right there. That's him right there.
Greg Cote
Man.
Dan LeBatard
It's one of the more insane endings to a game.
Amin Elhassan
Oh, man. Especially the way the Bulls have been playing recently. Like, this is, dare I say it, this is the feel good story of March, at least, right?
Greg Cote
For sure.
Amin Elhassan
They're cresting in an insane way. And do you know why they're crested, Mike.
Dan LeBatard
Why?
Amin Elhassan
Because Disturbed played a concert at their arena, damaged the banners. And I said, on that day, now they got to put up new ones, new banners. And Kobe White said. Heard you.
Mike Ryan
So did Josh Getty, by the way. He's been playing insane.
Dan LeBatard
Well, he's down with the sickness.
Amin Elhassan
Is that a disturbance?
Mike Ryan
I don't know how to answer that. Because there's happened. I don't know what that means. So I'm not.
Greg Cote
I don't even know what that means either.
Billy Corben
I'm just going to say yes.
Greg Cote
But everybody's response tells me it's something I shouldn't touch.
Dan LeBatard
It's. It's. Well, not for your demo.
Greg Cote
Okay, perfect.
Dan LeBatard
It does work. Multiple prongs. But I was really doing that thing.
Greg Cote
I don't like it.
Mike Ryan
I still don't get that.
Greg Cote
So I haven't watched a bunch of NBA games, as you guys well know here, but I did catch this ending. And I do feel like Amin is not doing this game justice. No, you come out with an agenda.
Amin Elhassan
I had an agenda.
Greg Cote
You had an agenda. You come out with the Stephen A. Smith LeBron. You let that story continue to go on. You give it another day of life out the gate, then you show just the last shot of that game, which is maybe 6% of that. The story. And again, I'm not the basketball purist. You are. This is the game that you protect, that you love, that you champion.
Amin Elhassan
True.
Greg Cote
This is maybe the best ending of a basketball game that you will ever see, period. Now, look, the stakes aren't playoffs. Championship. But in a vacuum. Not only that. Giddy airballs a floater over LeBron because he's scared.
Amin Elhassan
Right.
Greg Cote
He's having a great game.
Amin Elhassan
Yeah.
Greg Cote
He's like one assist shy of a triple double. And I know all this because it's literally the only three minutes of basketball that I've watched this entire year.
Amin Elhassan
But it was pretty good.
Mike Ryan
But it was minutes.
Greg Cote
I'm like. But it's like when you jump in on a show that everyone else is watching. Like you watch Game of Thrones and you're like, wow, I see what the killer. I see what the hype is. You. And you jumped in on the best episode.
Amin Elhassan
Yeah.
Greg Cote
Giddy air balls. A floater from point blank range.
Amin Elhassan
Oh, yeah.
Greg Cote
After having a great game, we have.
Amin Elhassan
I think we have the entire sequence.
Greg Cote
We should.
Amin Elhassan
Here we go. I don't even know if we're allowed to show this, but we're going to show it. Who cares?
Greg Cote
Let's get fined. It's not my money.
Amin Elhassan
You got a corner three right there from Williams. From Patrick Williams.
Greg Cote
Corner three. This is after the. After the air ball. Stolen.
Amin Elhassan
Stolen.
Greg Cote
Giddy with his. I think that was his triple double assistant.
Amin Elhassan
Giddy with the assist, but to Kobe White. But do you know who Giddey stole the ball from? Do you know who Giddy stole the ball from?
Greg Cote
Yes, I saw it. It was an inbound from LeBron.
Amin Elhassan
From LeBron, like for that. From the peak of. I won the game with a tap to. I threw the game away. I threw the game away. That's the thing. It's. That's an unconditional.
Greg Cote
I mean, if you stop the game right there. Yes.
Amin Elhassan
That he can just inbound the ball.
Greg Cote
If you. If we all just died at that moment, then yes, you could. But they ended up scor. Scoring a great play because of the attention on LeBron. Reeves goes right to the cup. And at that moment, we thought the game was over.
Amin Elhassan
Yeah.
Greg Cote
And it was like, oh, that narrative is not no longer going to be there.
Amin Elhassan
How about Patrick Williams in that three, by the way, I was gonna say, that's like, if you're JJ ready, it's a miracle. And then there's the Austin Reeves layup. And then. And here comes. No timeouts. Bulls inbound. Get it back to giddy.
Greg Cote
Giddy offense.
Mike Ryan
Well, somebody's got to be on giddy there, right?
Amin Elhassan
Yeah.
Greg Cote
I mean, you get the. Every. The most dangerous Guys are everywhere else, man.
Dan LeBatard
LeBron had a hand up. It was a close out to the side.
Greg Cote
It was a he from half court.
Amin Elhassan
Josh Giddy.
Mike Ryan
Who's the most dangerous guy?
Amin Elhassan
The guy with the ball.
Mike Ryan
Thank you.
Amin Elhassan
That's always the most dangerous guy. So this was our version of March Madness in the NBA. Meanwhile, college basketball had a very different March Madness.
Greg Cote
Hold on. Are you going to transition?
Amin Elhassan
Yes, I.
Greg Cote
To college basketball?
Amin Elhassan
Yes.
Greg Cote
All right. Can I give a disclaimer really quick?
Amin Elhassan
Okay.
Greg Cote
This might come to a shock. A shock to a lot of people. I have no idea who's won a game in the March Madness poll. Okay. It's not because I don't like college basketball or March Madness. I promised my kids that I would do a bracket.
Amin Elhassan
Okay.
Greg Cote
And I've been really busy and haven't had a chance to do a bracket yet. And so I've been not watching the game. So I can still do my bracket and be ethical about my picks.
Amin Elhassan
Wait, hold on. You guys are gonna do a belated bracket? I.
Greg Cote
They have done theirs. I have not filled mine out yet, but I have not.
Amin Elhassan
Oh, wait, so you're go. Hold on.
Dan LeBatard
But you missed the start of the sweet 16.
Greg Cote
But I don't. I haven't seen any of.
Amin Elhassan
He's starting from the beginning. Not knowing who won anything.
Greg Cote
I have no idea.
Amin Elhassan
Guessing who won, like, oh, wow, McNeese State versus Iowa, whatever the game was. Or Clemson. Yeah. Wow, that's.
Greg Cote
So if we're gonna do spoilers, I'm gonna have to cover my ears.
Amin Elhassan
Well, we have one spoiler.
Greg Cote
Okay, Two spoilers.
Amin Elhassan
Two spoilers.
Mike Ryan
There was four games. Last one.
Amin Elhassan
We're not going to talk about all. We're just going to talk unless you have. I've got.
Mike Ryan
I've actually got an update.
Amin Elhassan
We'll give you. Give it to me.
Mike Ryan
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Amin Elhassan
That's a big bag of chips right there.
Mike Ryan
I mean, they hooked us up with the. With the real.
Amin Elhassan
Yeah, dude, I love jalapeno.
Mike Ryan
The ones from Jimmy John's, by the way, are incredible. Yeah, I love these jalapeno chips. About £50 worth of jalapeno chips.
Amin Elhassan
Yeah. I'm telling you, like, it goes so great with a sandwich because it gives it an extra. All you get the. I don't. What I don't like, are the regular. I Don't like plain chips. I've decided at this point in my life I don't like plain chips.
Greg Cote
What's your chip of choice?
Amin Elhassan
Jalapeno. Those Jimmy John's jalapeno rings. Come on, man. Because it gives you a little kick, a little bite, a little flavor. Like it adds to the proceedings. It's not just there for texture purposes.
Greg Cote
You're not worried about the aftermath of the breath?
Amin Elhassan
Not the breath. There's an aftermath I'm worried about, but it's not the breath. Not the breath. Jeez. It comes in a text message form the next morning as I announce to the chat. What happened? Folks, listen up.
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Dan LeBatard
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Jeb
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Dan LeBatard
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Jeb
Mobile, which is now a legit nationwide 5G network. So I must take a break from.
Mike Ryan
The jokes here for a second and.
Jeb
Put on my serious voice because I would never ever joke about a 5G network that has invested billions building 5G towers across the country.
Amin Elhassan
Country.
Jeb
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Amin Elhassan
Don LeBatard if Daniel Day Lewis did it, you'd be jerking off all over yourself.
Dan LeBatard
Oh, come on. Yeah, I would be.
Mike Ryan
Aggressive description.
Amin Elhassan
I mean, what is it? What is that? I'm just saying.
Dan LeBatard
No, that's just saying What? That's me, Daniel Day Lewis. I see that photo of Daniel Day Lewis looking like Lincoln before he's about to start filming Lincoln. And you know what I do? I mean, stugats. I jerk off all over myself. That's what I do. Lincoln, who you outed the other day, don't make this a you join.
Billy Corben
This is the Dan Levatar show with the st.
Amin Elhassan
As all this is happening in the NBA. This is. Here's the spoiler I'm going to give.
Greg Cote
Give it to you.
Amin Elhassan
Alabama wins their game.
Greg Cote
What?
Amin Elhassan
And you know what? We have a stat of the day for this. Give me the music.
Billy Corben
Start of the day, start of the day it is the start of the day Start of the day Start of the day it is the star of the day Start of the day, start of the day it is the start of the day Start of the day Start of the day it is the start of the day.
Chris Cote
Saturday is brought to you by Evan Williams Bourbon game day's number one pour Evan Williams Kentucky straight bourbon whiskey bar style Kentucky 43 to 45% alcohol by volume. Enjoy. Responsibly. 21 and over. Alabama won 11388 over BYU last night. Alabama went 25 for 51 from three, both of which made and attempted our tournament records. If Alabama had not made a single two pointer against byu, the Crimson Tide still would have won the game by five.
Amin Elhassan
That's incredible. That's incredible. But also I saw that score and I saw the box score and I said to myself, I didn't know they could do that. Any of that. You mean score, like score 113 points in a 40 minute game, hit 25 threes, attempt 50 threes? 51 threes. I didn't know anyone in college could do that. And I'm not talking about this year. I'm talking about anyone in college ever. Because I've seen so much college basketball and most of it is garbage in terms of like production. You see flashes of brilliance, like, oh, he's good. Oh, he could be good one day. But in terms of like, hey, we're gonna put together this product and we'll call this basketball. Typically, it's not good. It's exciting because they're trying hard, but it's not good. Like, it's not good.
Greg Cote
What is that voice?
Amin Elhassan
This is like, oh, I like college sports.
Mike Ryan
What's the college basketball purist voice? It's better than the NBA. They try harder.
Amin Elhassan
They try hard every game.
Greg Cote
That's the effort voice. That's the.
Mike Ryan
The thing. We've talked about it earlier when I gave you the secret sauce for March Madness. Secret sauce, Right. It's not that the collection. It's not that the games are great.
Amin Elhassan
It's.
Mike Ryan
The collection of games are great.
Amin Elhassan
Right.
Mike Ryan
Because there's so many.
Amin Elhassan
Yes.
Mike Ryan
If you look at the actual games, they suck.
Amin Elhassan
Most of the time.
Mike Ryan
Most of the time. Except for when you get to the actual good teams.
Amin Elhassan
Elite.
Mike Ryan
A final four, whatever button Hawk for you. Just because you haven't been watching any of them.
Greg Cote
Thank you.
Mike Ryan
Secret sauce. What do you think the secret sauce is? Tournament.
Greg Cote
I think it's because the collection of.
Mike Ryan
Games, not only the collection of games, who's playing in them.
Amin Elhassan
Yeah. What is, what is the secret sauce to the collection of games? So when you want to talk about a deep tournament run, magical performances from a team. Right. There's a necessary ingredient and we call it the secret sauce.
Mike Ryan
The secret sauce. You need to have. Every champion has.
Amin Elhassan
Has the secret sauce.
Greg Cote
Every champion has the secret sauce.
Mike Ryan
NCAA champion.
Amin Elhassan
Yeah.
Greg Cote
Every NCAA champion has the secret sauce. The secret sauce. Underdog. Ah, white guys.
Amin Elhassan
There it is.
Greg Cote
In basketball, same thing. Underdog, white guy. But every.
Mike Ryan
Every team that you see in March Madness that makes a run that has something fun. Secret sauce throughout.
Amin Elhassan
I went home yesterday, Tony, and I thought about it, and I went my way back and I said, what about those Florida teams that dominated with no. 1? I said, lee Humphrey, secret sauce. Then I went to Kentucky. Wait a second. What about Pitino's? Kentucky teams with Antoine Walker and Derek Anderson and Tony Dung? They sent, like, 100 pros. Jeff Shepherd. Right.
Mike Ryan
That one guy. It's the secret sauce.
Amin Elhassan
Remember?
Mike Ryan
It's not the entire recipe.
Amin Elhassan
It's.
Mike Ryan
You need that extra little kick on the side.
Greg Cote
Is it that the white guy is like a main part or just that? He just needs to be there?
Dan LeBatard
He needs to briefly be the main character.
Greg Cote
Briefly have a moment.
Mike Ryan
But it's like, for a shot.
Amin Elhassan
Have a moment.
Mike Ryan
Could be a shot, could be an assist.
Dan LeBatard
A shining moment, if you will.
Mike Ryan
Thank you.
Greg Cote
Okay. Okay. Now, is that reverse engineered? That would be my. My rebuttal. Right. Is that little moment not even a big deal, but because that moment is the white guy doing it.
Dan LeBatard
That's the ticket.
Greg Cote
That's the ticket.
Amin Elhassan
All right.
Dan LeBatard
That's what we call.
Amin Elhassan
Yeah. Like, we're not drawing up plays for the white guy.
Dan LeBatard
Well, Bryce Drew was pretty sick, but, you know, there's white guys everywhere. Yeah. You know the statistics. And so there's like, this hot new theory that Nil and the portal have killed the mid major, which is why you're getting less of the secret sauce for one year and less of which.
Amin Elhassan
Is for one year.
Dan LeBatard
If I may, I'm confused, because we had Jim Laraniga on our March badness broadcast, and I saw Jim Laranega, and I. I really don't understand where he's coming from. He said he tweeted something to the effect of, like, happy Portal. Well, he's like, happy Portal, where you can lose your entire roster. And he's famously shared this story about how after Miami made the Final four run, everybody on his roster came to him asking for a raise. It's just. What. May I ask you guys, how we doing here? Because Jim Laranega, okay, the big baddie that ruined everything in Miami is apparently Nil or the Portal. I don't know which one he's talking about. To be fair, he could be talking about the portal.
Amin Elhassan
He could be talking about Nil hand in hand, right? Like, if you don't give me my nil, I'll go to the Portal, Right.
Dan LeBatard
Miami basketball, Right. Did pretty well with Nil Yes. And a portal made a lead. Eight made Final Four. They lost. Jim will try to convince you that he lost his entire roster the following year.
Amin Elhassan
He did.
Dan LeBatard
No, he didn't.
Amin Elhassan
Oh, no.
Greg Cote
Oh, man.
Dan LeBatard
No, he didn't. He lost Zay Wong and he lost Jordan Miller. Now, two guys that have been in and out of the league, good players, replaced him with a first round draft pick in. George was playing well for the Wizards.
Amin Elhassan
Yes.
Dan LeBatard
And Matt Cleveland, who Jim Laraniga loved and wanted and twice now said, I prefer him over other guys. So he brings in a first round talent to a core that made it to the Final Four. You still have Pac, you still have Omir, you still have Wuka.
Greg Cote
What.
Dan LeBatard
What is happening here? They fell off a cliff with all that talent. And the following year he followed that up by getting Jalil Bethea, who was the number one guard coming into college. And then he quits on the team midway through the year. But it's Nil and the transfer portal.
Amin Elhassan
I'll tell you what it is. I'll tell you exactly what it is.
Greg Cote
Mike, give it to us. I have a theory too.
Amin Elhassan
You ever meet anyone who's like, in an open relationship? Never meet those people.
Greg Cote
I don't hang out at those bars. I mean, you're giving us a glimpse into your life right now.
Dan LeBatard
I mean, the upside down pineapple thing.
Amin Elhassan
The upside down pineapple Jimmy, Elsa swingers.
Ethan
That we're getting to.
Amin Elhassan
So the.
Dan LeBatard
I'm not a big cruiser Chris, though he's on one right now.
Amin Elhassan
So not necessarily swinging, but like open relationship. Meaning, like, hey, man, me and my. My old lady, like, we have an open relationship. I can see whatever. See whatever. Inevitably, for all those people. It's great when I'm the open part, when the other side is the open part. Wait a second. Hold on now. What are we doing here? That's the exact same thing. It's like, it's cool to be in an open relationship when you're the one who gets to bang everybody and your significant other is dutiful at home and just waiting for you. When the significant other takes advantage of the open relationship. Now all of a sudden we got a problem, and that's what Jim Larennega is doing.
Dan LeBatard
But he wasn't being taken advantage of.
Amin Elhassan
Yes, he.
Dan LeBatard
No, no. The following year, after he follow a Final Four season with getting a first round traffic in his roster, we brought back the entire core. So, like, who. Who. Who's doing this? Who's the boogeyman that's stealing your players? You didn't lose anybody.
Amin Elhassan
The NBA like he.
Dan LeBatard
That that following year, which was one of the more talented Miami teams of all time and one of the most disastrous seasons of all time, only followed up by a more disastrous season that caused him to quit midway. It just. It doesn't hold water. And he's a nice guy. I love Jim. Greatest coach in the history of the program. Love the guy. But he keeps perpetuating something that's just flatly not true. He made it up. It's not. It's not a thing. We had Seth Davis on the show saying the nil spent. I'm like, guy, I know we got Bethea. Like, it's not a real thing.
Greg Cote
I have an unchecked theory.
Amin Elhassan
Oh.
Greg Cote
Cause I think you're right.
Amin Elhassan
Let's do it.
Greg Cote
So I'll need somebody else to check this. I don't know if we have it.
Amin Elhassan
No, no, no. No checking. We don't check around here. We just give theories.
Greg Cote
How old is the coach? And I don't want to be an ageist.
Amin Elhassan
He's. He's pretty old. He's pretty damn.
Dan LeBatard
One of the oldest.
Amin Elhassan
Yeah.
Greg Cote
One of the oldest. I think it's an energy thing. I think it's a. I do not feel like recruiting in the portal as well as recruiting high school, as well as recruiting my own players. And I feel like a lot of the coaches that have expressed that issue or said, I'm not doing this. They all come from the old guard. But it's like, it's a lot.
Dan LeBatard
You are 100% locked in.
Amin Elhassan
Wow.
Dan LeBatard
That is. That is what happened here.
Amin Elhassan
Unchecked theory. Guess what? Just got it.
Dan LeBatard
Yeah. No, it's flatly what happened here. He can be frustrated with the process. He lamented plenty around boosters and the Collective about this process. It's why a lot of people look on the women's side. Katie Meyer also retired because of a similar thing, even though she had success at it, Even though the Collective helped fuel a deep run in their tournament. They went to the Elite Eight. But it's just. He keeps perpetuating a false narrative because it's convenient. You didn't have the energy to keep up with the times. It's totally understandable, my guy, but it's just a lie and it's become fact. You didn't lose anybody to another school after the Final Four. You lost two dudes to the NBA and you replaced them with NBA players. It's just not accurate.
Greg Cote
Yeah. So you're actually taking advantage of the Portal in nil as opposed to Being cursed by it. Also, great replacement on the women's basketball side. In and coach Cullip. Big fan.
Dan LeBatard
Yeah. Oh, that's right.
Greg Cote
Yeah. I forgot.
Amin Elhassan
Connections, a connection.
Greg Cote
She was the Toledo.
Dan LeBatard
She's got the energy for it. She certainly got the energy.
Mike Ryan
I got another secret sauce team, by the way.
Greg Cote
Watch how you want. You watch how you say that.
Amin Elhassan
I said, holy Toledo.
Greg Cote
You said, oh, Toledo. I felt the energy.
Dan LeBatard
You have to be careful with the secrets.
Mike Ryan
Well, no, this is a secret from.
Dan LeBatard
He already wrote down Alabama. He knows that. He's gonna write Alabama.
Greg Cote
Yes.
Mike Ryan
I'm talking about secret sauce team from the past.
Amin Elhassan
Oh, from the past. What you got?
Mike Ryan
0203. Kansas Jayhawks had two.
Amin Elhassan
Oh. Kirk Heinrich and Rave Ladudo.
Mike Ryan
No, no, Nicholas.
Amin Elhassan
And when was Raven? Was that before that?
Mike Ryan
That might have been before.
Amin Elhassan
Let me check.
Dan LeBatard
Are you gonna watch Ladudo?
Ethan
Are you gonna watch?
Amin Elhassan
It's not. How's it pronounced?
Dan LeBatard
La Friends.
Amin Elhassan
Oh, okay.
Ethan
Are you gonna watch the games or just, like, catch up on the results?
Greg Cote
I am probably gonna catch up on the results.
Ethan
Okay. Because there's, like, a character that gets revealed in the first round by day one is a darling, and by day two, everyone's gonna feel him of hate.
Mike Ryan
Yeah.
Amin Elhassan
Really?
Ethan
Episode two, Not a player.
Greg Cote
Yeah.
Amin Elhassan
No, no, no, wait. You said too much.
Ethan
No, no, no, no. Not Sister Jean.
Greg Cote
Not Sister Jean.
Ethan
Not Sister Jean.
Amin Elhassan
Is she alive?
Ethan
Yeah.
Amin Elhassan
Okay.
Greg Cote
Is her team any good?
Amin Elhassan
No.
Greg Cote
It's crazy how her team's dead.
Amin Elhassan
She's alive, though.
Dan LeBatard
She probably took Miami's first Final Four runaway.
Amin Elhassan
Geez.
Dan LeBatard
Yeah. Remember that Lonnie Walker team was loaded.
Amin Elhassan
That's right.
Dan LeBatard
Miami was gonna make a run. They lost to Sister Jean in the first round, and they made it all the way to the Final Four.
Amin Elhassan
I want to get to this story here. It's on the list, and I want to get to it. Part of it, because this is a very interesting story, but more so because I was outraged by the reaction of one Ethan outside at the table.
Greg Cote
Oh, Lord, this basketball.
Amin Elhassan
This is not basketball. Okay, so this. I don't know. Maybe you're like Ethan. Maybe this might be a revelation to you, too.
Greg Cote
Uh. Oh.
Amin Elhassan
So Mike says, hey, did you hear they declassified the files on the Ark of the Covenant? And my mind goes to the warehouse and like, oh, they found the box. Like it was an unvarn.
Mike Ryan
Remember the box in the warehouse? A million boxes in there.
Amin Elhassan
There's a million boxes in there.
Mike Ryan
So how do we go through every single box to find it?
Amin Elhassan
How do we do that? Right and so, as Mike is starting to explain the story that we'll get to in a second, Ethan says, what's the Ark of the Covenant? And that's exactly how his point is.
Mike Ryan
He said, what's the Ark of the Covenant Again? Because he knew it at one point.
Amin Elhassan
I've heard it before, but I'm not quite sure what the Ark of the Covenant is. That's how Ethan sounds when he talks about. When you talk about things that you should know. Young man, you sound like that to me. That's what your voice sounded like, Ethan. Is it possible juju put it on the pole? Like, do you know what the Ark of the Covenant is? Everyone knows what this is, right? And I'm not saying because, you know, from Bible study.
Dan LeBatard
Well, he's supposed to be an Old Testament guy.
Amin Elhassan
Well, that's the other thing.
Greg Cote
Look, where's he from? Where's he originally from?
Amin Elhassan
He's from Florida, Bible Belt, but he's a man of the tribe. He's mot.
Dan LeBatard
Yeah.
Amin Elhassan
So the Old Testament, at least. Which is where?
Mike Ryan
Should be locked in on that, conveniently.
Amin Elhassan
Conveniently.
Dan LeBatard
Are the government dialed on the Ark.
Amin Elhassan
Are the government. Come on now. Can't let Hitler have it.
Mike Ryan
Exactly right?
Amin Elhassan
That kind of weapon.
Dan LeBatard
That was not in the Old Testament. That was Indiana Jones, but it was.
Amin Elhassan
Okay, what about the part where you can't look at them eyes closed?
Mike Ryan
Well, you can't touch it.
Dan LeBatard
Part of it.
Amin Elhassan
Look at it. You can't keep your eyes closed.
Dan LeBatard
There's something to that, by the way, because in. And again, I know people think I'm being sarcastic. This is declassified.
Amin Elhassan
This is real.
Dan LeBatard
The CIA confirmed the existence of the Ark of the Covenant. They tracked it down by using a psychic. And if you think that's ridiculous, just look into their programs.
Greg Cote
That's crazy.
Amin Elhassan
Okay, look, it wasn't just Hitler who was into the occult.
Dan LeBatard
I mean, if it's like steroids and baseball, you can't let the other guy cheat. You know, you got to cheat, too. And if the other side is using psychics, then you use psychics, too.
Greg Cote
Yeah.
Dan LeBatard
So, like, they found it, and they even in the declassified documents say that it's. It was guarded by entities. This is real stuff. I'm not kidding.
Greg Cote
This is kind of. My mind's a little blown right now. I'm not. This is the first time I Google.
Dan LeBatard
It, but maybe there's a million fake articles out there that. That got me, but they all look pretty legit.
Mike Ryan
No, I'm with you. I saw. I saw the declassification. I saw the pictures, all the videos.
Dan LeBatard
Here's the.
Ethan
Didn't go through, like 30,000 documents.
Mike Ryan
I didn't have to.
Chris Cote
That's what happens.
Jeb
Somebody else did.
Dan LeBatard
To be fair, an aggregator. Set said the entity.
Ethan
But they could say anything, too, of course.
Amin Elhassan
Does it look like it does in the movie?
Dan LeBatard
We don't have.
Mike Ryan
They only felt, Terry.
Dan LeBatard
It was buried underground.
Mike Ryan
That's my issue with.
Amin Elhassan
Did they say where?
Mike Ryan
That's my issue. They can't tell.
Amin Elhassan
Was it in Egypt?
Dan LeBatard
We're not gonna tell you.
Amin Elhassan
How much did they classify?
Mike Ryan
Well, I think, by the way, between you and me, I think it's in Ethiopia.
Amin Elhassan
That's what I've. I've done my research, and it seems to be anything.
Mike Ryan
By the way, there's some stuff there in Ethiopia, by the way, if you look into a little church that they.
Amin Elhassan
Have in Ethiopia, the oldest church in the world, right?
Mike Ryan
Priests that are there have had some weird things. A lot of them die very young because of radiation poisoning. We don't know what's going on there, but that's happening.
Ethan
Tony, you haven't gone to the pyramids that you've been wanting to talk to about the pyramids?
Mike Ryan
Everything's connected, guys.
Ethan
Argentinian Trump was. Was declassifying things, too. And there was, like, Hitler stuff there.
Amin Elhassan
No, I didn't.
Dan LeBatard
In Argentina, Possible there's.
Ethan
I'm just saying that's being declassified, too, if you're going to get into math.
Mike Ryan
Declassifying stuff, baby. I love it.
Greg Cote
Wait, can we declassify the lottery files?
Amin Elhassan
What lottery? The draft lottery.
Greg Cote
NBA lottery files.
Amin Elhassan
Look, man, we already did that on basketball Illuminati.
Greg Cote
Did we?
Amin Elhassan
The third Eye Open was.
Greg Cote
What was the.
Amin Elhassan
What was the conclusion, man, you going to have to listen to that episode, man. I'm not going to give away the.
Mike Ryan
The secret SA Classified Secret Sauce on that show, too.
Greg Cote
I haven't seen the NCAA tournament. You think I'm going to go back into the archives to listen to the lottery files, man?
Amin Elhassan
Look, do you want to find the Ark of the Covenant or not?
Greg Cote
All right, I'm coming. All right, I'll be there.
Amin Elhassan
Hey.
Greg Cote
Okay. 1966 UTEP minors. NCAA championship team.
Amin Elhassan
You just googled Glory Road.
Greg Cote
I gotta debunk the theory.
Dan LeBatard
They weren't called UTEP at the time.
Greg Cote
Whatever.
Amin Elhassan
Texas Western.
Greg Cote
The Black College of Texas. I don't know what they were called during Jim Crow.
Mike Ryan
Who'd they play against?
Greg Cote
Kentucky and all white.
Mike Ryan
O'Reilly.
Dan LeBatard
How much did Tim O'Reilly go away.
Mike Ryan
Secret Sauce.
Greg Cote
The opposite of Hoosiers. They lost.
Amin Elhassan
No, hold on.
Mike Ryan
But it doesn't matter if you lose.
Dan LeBatard
That was back when the secret sauce was actually blackout guys.
Amin Elhassan
Yes, exactly.
Dan LeBatard
Yeah, yeah.
Greg Cote
Also, Emmett, I didn't consider that.
Amin Elhassan
Also, the starting five was black. They never talked to us about six through 11, though.
Greg Cote
That's true.
Dan LeBatard
Very true.
Amin Elhassan
Six through 11, there's a different story. It's got a lot of Hispanic guy there. He made him. He's been secrets. Also Texas Western.
Dan LeBatard
If I may just circle back to the Ark of the Covenant.
Mike Ryan
Yes, yes.
Dan LeBatard
So if we track down where exactly it was in the 1980s, there's no way that we just conceded. Well, can't get to it. Guarded by entities. We sacrifice some dudes.
Amin Elhassan
Of course.
Dan LeBatard
I'm telling. Like, we move this thing.
Amin Elhassan
Oh, no, I.
Dan LeBatard
It's definitely. It's definitely in dc.
Amin Elhassan
No, Mike.
Dan LeBatard
Nick Cage is gonna find it.
Amin Elhassan
Mike, Mike, I know that we attempted to touch it. I don't know if we were successful. Right, so you're right. People were sacrificed. Cause. Jenkins, get in there. It's like, okay, boss. And then he melted and then turned.
Mike Ryan
Into a pile of dust.
Amin Elhassan
Rollins, you go in there like, okay, Johnson, Johnson, hustle up in there. And like several hundred black soldiers later, secret sauce, they were like, okay, maybe we can't touch it. And so they had to figure out something else. And that's where Dr. Henry Jones comes in.
Mike Ryan
Miriam, don't look. Keep your eyes closed. Mary.
Greg Cote
Keep your eyes closed.
Amin Elhassan
Marion. And they managed to crate it. Right.
Mike Ryan
Remember, the whole thing is you gotta take the poles.
Amin Elhassan
Oh, yeah, those wooden poles.
Mike Ryan
You gotta stick them through the side.
Amin Elhassan
Stick them to the side.
Mike Ryan
And then you put them up like that, like pole bears.
Dan LeBatard
I just can't believe that we're here. It shows you how feeble our minds are because it's. You know, we're in the 2000 and twenties and the government has told us. Yeah, those UFO things that we always told you were fake when you were growing up. No, they exist. We don't know who's behind it. But, no, they are definitely real. And we just keep moving on with our day. Like, we saw movies about how hypothetically, if this were to happen, it'd be on newspapers everywhere. And we just like, nah, I can't comprehend that. I got my own. Can't deal with that right now. Same thing with the Ark.
Greg Cote
Tournament's going on.
Amin Elhassan
Number one, you can't. Yeah, exactly. You can't blame people. It's march madness. Number two, this, to me, is a much bigger story than UFOs. Much bigger life, you're saying? Yeah, life on other planets. Okay.
Chris Cote
The existence of God.
Amin Elhassan
The existence of God and also still not to be messed with.
Dan LeBatard
Well, that's very true. I always rationalize the UFO thing with, you know, there's just so many theologies and that kind of thumbs its nose at it, right? Like, if I am to accept that there are alien life forms elsewhere that are behind these UFOs, then I have to take a look at my own theology. This one actually confirms, like, a pretty big one or a couple of them, right? So you would think it'd be processed a little bit more, but everyone's just kind of looking at it like, this is ridiculous. It's fake. Nice. It's there.
Mike Ryan
Here's my issue with it, right? It's the fact that the psychic. We only had one psychic do it. Or do we have multiple. Do we have multiple sources here or was it one guy or one girl? Like, oh, my God. Yeah, no, I see it for sure. It's underground. We can't get to. It's guarded by entities. Yeah. Sorry, guys. What's the chat check?
Amin Elhassan
Wait, hold on. 50 grand. Okay. I think for the second time in this segment, we finally found where Stu.
Mike Ryan
Gotz is with the CIA.
Amin Elhassan
Yeah, he's a psychic.
Podcast Summary: The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Episode: Local Hour: The Moment of Silence for MJ's Drive
Release Date: March 28, 2025
In this episode of "Local Hour: The Moment of Silence for MJ's Drive," hosts Dan Le Batard and Stu Gatz, alongside co-hosts Amin Elhassan, Greg Cote, Mike Ryan, Chris Cote, Billy Corben, and Ethan, delve into a vibrant mix of sports commentary, pop culture insights, and intriguing offbeat discussions. The episode seamlessly weaves through the fast-paced world of NBA highlights, college basketball fervor, and even ventures into speculative conversations about historical artifacts like the Ark of the Covenant.
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As the episode wraps up, the hosts reflect on the day's events, blending their sports commentary with humorous insights and speculative storytelling. They leave listeners with a blend of excitement for upcoming sports events and amusement from their playful detours into topics like ancient artifacts and mythical conspiracies.
This episode of "Local Hour: The Moment of Silence for MJ's Drive" exemplifies the show's dynamic range, offering in-depth sports analysis, lively debates, and entertaining side conversations. Whether discussing a breathtaking NBA moment or engaging in whimsical theories about historical relics, Dan Le Batard and Stu Gatz, along with their co-hosts, ensure an engaging and memorable listening experience for both dedicated fans and newcomers alike.
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