Local Hour: The MVP Conversation Bar

Summary

The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz

Local Hour: The MVP Conversation Bar

Date: November 6, 2025
Location: Elser Hotel, Downtown Miami

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Episode Overview

This episode weaves through Miami Heat's off-court tragedy, NBA MVP debates, a classic Le Batard pop-culture inspection, and playful but pointed sports nostalgia. The team brings their staple blend of candor, irreverence, and storytelling to everything from the emotional impact of Eric Spoelstra’s house fire to the “MVP Conversation Bar” and debates over movie sequels viewers must see.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Eric Spoelstra’s House Fire: Real-Life Sports Impact

[00:35]–[06:52]

• Breaking News: Stugotz shares sobering news that Miami Heat head coach Erik Spoelstra’s house was destroyed by a fire as the team returned from a road trip.

  • “Eric Spoelstra’s house isn’t there anymore.” – Donovan [00:43]
  • News reports show Spoelstra outside the remains, emphasizing the trauma of losing irreplaceable memories beyond material possessions.

• Emotional Fallout:

  • Stugotz and Donovan discuss the deeper meaning of “home” and the unique grief when kids’ spaces and items are lost:
    • “The issue is all the things that can’t get replaced, right? ...the report card where they got all A’s…and that’s all gone.” – Stugotz [01:08]
  • Tony reminds the crew that personal safety trumps all, but the panel empathizes with the struggle of rebuilding emotional stability after such loss.

• Parenting Angle:

  • Donovan wonders about Spoelstra’s children and the challenge of explaining loss to them post-divorce, especially when the home is only “theirs” part-time.

• Perspective:

  • The group frames it within “Maslow’s hierarchy”—health and shelter as fundamental needs.
    • “No one was hurt. That’s the first thing you worry about...then it’s shelter.” – Stugotz [06:19]
  • Stugotz connects Spoelstra’s experience to broader issues (e.g., families affected by government shutdowns losing SNAP benefits).

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2. Miami Heat Update & Bam Adebayo Injury

[06:55]–[07:52]

• Talking basketball: The Heat face added adversity as Bam Adebayo suffers a foot injury—disruptive for a team scraping for early momentum.

  • “It was like, I saw one angle…just running up the floor and then all of a sudden pain.” – Stugotz [07:25]

• Despite a .500 record, the consensus is that the Heat’s season is off to “a pretty good start” given the tough schedule.

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3. MVP Conversation Bar: Jokic, Luka, Cade & The Imaginary Club

[07:52]–[14:43]

• Jokic’s Dominance:

  • Stugotz delivers the “Stat of the Day”:
    • “Jokic led the game in points, rebounds, and assists for the 78th time...most since the ’76 NBA-ABA merger...Second place: LeBron with 68.” — Stugotz [08:40]
  • Panel agrees Jokic, despite “fatigue,” must remain in the MVP hunt.

• The 'MVP Conversation Bar' Metaphor:

  • [10:30]–[13:30]
    • The MVP debate turns into a nightclub allegory: Not everyone gets in, and even if you do, you might be booted out.
    • “If you’re not in the MVP conversation, you can’t get in the bar.” – Stugotz [11:05]
    • “Anthony Edwards...been in the MVP conversation bar...right now, bouncer’s out, sorry Big Dog.” – Stugotz [11:42]

• Current Front-Runners:

  • Luka Doncic is “the guy holding court in the center”, while Cade Cunningham’s recent performance puts him “in the conversation bar.”
    • “If we’re going to talk MVP, someone better be talking about Cade Cunningham.” – Donovan [14:25]

• Running Gags:

  • Imaginary bouncers, “King of the Mountain” structure, and playful shoo-ins (“Anthony Edwards at the velvet rope”) highlight the group’s showmanship.

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4. Sports Rivalries and Chauncey Billups' Hall of Fame Debate

[16:03]–[19:05]

• Revisiting the Heat's historic roadblocks/inciting fan hate:

  • Knicks and Pistons are measured in terms of long-standing Miami anguish.
    • “Knicks knocked [the Heat] out three times in a row.” – Stugotz [16:51]

• Spirited arguments over Chauncey Billups’ Hall of Fame candidacy:

  • “He’s a five time All-Star, two time All-Defensive Team, he’s a Finals MVP, like, and gold medalist.” – Stugotz [18:27]
  • Mike interjects with comic legal metaphors and “career-defining win” talk for coaches.

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5. Pop Culture Sidebar – The Running Man, James Bond, and Generational Gaps

[23:40]–[32:29]

• The Running Man:

  • Tony is curious about the new “Running Man” movie, sparking a nostalgic rundown led by Stugotz on the 1987 original:
    • “...a TV show. It’s kind of prescient…a reality show before reality shows were big.” – Stugotz [24:59]

• James Bond Blind Spots:

  • Donovan admits never having seen a Bond film, prompting guidance on where to start (“Pick an actor and start with his first movie”) and Bond fandom advice.
    • “Quantum of Solace—I don’t know what it means. I know it’s the coolest name of a movie I’ve ever heard in my life.” – Stugotz [27:14]

• GoldenEye / Video Game Memories:

  • The absence of GoldenEye experience is lamented; generational divides and old school video game glory are highlighted.

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6. Modern Athlete Motivation & Online Trash Talk

[34:14]–[36:13]

• Donovan Mitchell’s Video Game Inspiration:

  • Mitchell’s 46-point night is traced to a kid calling him “washed up” in NBA 2K:
    • “This kid pissed me off today…he just called me washed up…This game was for that kid—or grown man—whoever that was. I appreciate you.” – Mitchell, recounted by Stugotz [35:40]

• Burner Accounts & Authentic Fan Engagement:

  • The group critiques athletes playing under their real names, cautioning against online ego bruising.

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7. Current Film Talk: Awards, Flops & Unintelligible Blockbusters

[37:00]–[40:35]

• Emma Stone’s Range:

  • Mike praises Emma Stone as the “Kawhi Leonard/Jimmy Butler” of acting, with Tony joking about “MVP fatigue” for her career.

• Confusing Cinema:

  • The group commiserates over the convoluted plot of Christopher Nolan’s Tenet:
    • “To this day, I still don’t understand what that movie is about.” – Stugotz [39:55]

• John David Washington’s Leading Man Debate:

  • The former Ballers actor’s post-Tenet run is scrutinized:
    • “He was beyond his depth, perhaps.” – Mike [40:24]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Real Loss:

  • “The issue is all the things that can’t get replaced…It was a memory. And now we’ve got to move on.” – Stugotz [01:08]

• On MVP Conversations:

  • “If you’re not in the MVP conversation, you can’t get in the bar.” – Stugotz [11:05]

• On Video Game Motivation:

  • “This kid pissed me off today…he called me washed up...This game was for that kid—or grown man—whoever that was. I appreciate you.” – Donovan Mitchell (via Stugotz) [35:40]

• On Movie Confusion:

  • “To this day, I still don’t understand what that movie is about.” – Stugotz (re: Tenet) [39:55]
  • “Neither does Christopher Nolan.” – Donovan [39:57]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

| Time | Segment/Topic | |----------|------------------------------------------------------------| | 00:35 | Erik Spoelstra’s house fire & family impact | | 06:55 | Bam Adebayo’s injury & Heat struggles | | 07:52 | Jokic’s dominance & “Stat of the Day” | | 10:30 | The MVP Conversation Bar analogy explained | | 13:30 | Cade Cunningham’s entry into MVP conversation | | 16:03 | Heat’s historical rivals & Billups Hall of Fame debate | | 23:40 | Running Man reboot & 80s movie nostalgia | | 27:06 | James Bond series debate, generational pop-culture gaps | | 34:14 | Donovan Mitchell’s video game trash talk | | 37:00 | Emma Stone’s “MVP” acting career | | 39:55 | Confusion over Tenet & John David Washington’s career |

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Tone & Style

• The group mixes deadpan humor with genuine empathy (especially facing real-life hardship), sports-nerd depth, and playful ribbing.
• References to family life, generational differences, and meta jokes about the show’s own running bits make the episode accessible and fun for new and regular listeners alike.

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This episode delivers the signature Le Batard blend: sports, cultural debate, and a barroom’s worth of inside jokes and lively camaraderie—anchored this time by real-life perspective and a celebration of why sports (and movies, and games) matter just as much for the memories as for the headlines.

Transcript

[Dan LeBatard]

This is the Dan Levator show with the Stugats podcast.

[Stugats]

Let's start with the good news.

[Chris]

That's good news.

[Stugats]

Greg Cody's alive and well.

[Donovan]

Okay. Okay.

[Stugats]

I know everyone bated breath yesterday. We made a couple of jokes. People felt it was in poor taste. We didn't really get any confirmation from Greg himself yesterday. People were worried. But the good news is he's alive, he's awake, he's well, the surgery was a success, so.

[Chris]

But you said good news, so is there bad news?

[Stugats]

There is bad news, man. It is actual bad news.

[Donovan]

Actual legit shit news.

[Stugats]

So last night or early this morning, I should say, Miami Heat head coach Eric Swolster's house burnt down.

[Donovan]

Like, like for real. It's not one of those where, like the house caught on fire, like a tyree kill situation? Right, right, right. Like Eric Swolster's house isn't there anymore.

[Stugats]

It looked like like the LA fires, like burnt, done. And so I heard this story early this morning. I was under the impression that the team was still on the road. And I'm like, oh, that's messed up to have to find out, you know.

[Donovan]

On the news he probably got back home like the middle of the night.

[Stugats]

He was there. Yeah. So they got back from the trip and then the fire was reported at 4:30 in the morning. Oh my God. And like the news video there has him outside his house, like just standing there staring at it. And you know, I have a lot of friends who lost their houses in the LA fires. And there's. There really is nothing that you can compare that to in terms of that feeling that you've lost everything. And it's not about the material things. It's not about. Obviously Coach Spo has made a lot of money. He can buy a new house, he can rebuild this house. That's not the issue. The issue is all the things that can't get replaced, right? All the, like, personal effects, pictures and memories and things. Obviously when you have kids, your kids, favorite things, your kids, the report card where they got all A's and all that stuff, and that's all gone. And sometimes like, that's the stuff that it's hard to explain to a child, right? Or children, hey, that we can't replace it. It's. It's done, it's gone. It was a memory. And now we've got to move on.

[Donovan]

I feel terrible for him. Yeah, I really do. Like, I feel, I feel like, I feel like especially growing up, you, you, you all have that. Everybody thinks like, well, you know, what if your house is on fire, what do you think that you grab, you know, to make sure it doesn't get burnt down? You know, and of course, to me, it's my championship rings, but everybody's like, hey, what would it be? The thing that you grab? Well, you can grab anything. Like, the whole house burnt down. Like. Like it's gone. I. I feel awful for him at that point.

[Tony]

It's. It's more important to get your family and you out safely. Right? Like, yeah, some things are irreplaceable, but also it's about being safe. Right? So it's like there's things that are replaceable, some things are not replaceable, but in the grand scheme of things, five, 10, 20 years down the road, not going to make that big of a difference. The most important thing is everybody's safe. If there were kids in the house, kids are safe.

[Donovan]

Well, you do assume it was just him, considering he likely got back in the middle of the night.

[Tony]

You never know. But at least you know everything. Humans are safe.

[Stugats]

The news is everyone is safe. There's no one was hurt. You're right, Tony. That's the first thing you worry about. That's the first place your brain goes to. And you say, thank God. And, you know, you count your blessings.

[Donovan]

When they play again.

[Stugats]

But then there's a thing. They play tomorrow.

[Donovan]

Tomorrow.

[Stugats]

Yeah, but then there's. There's a.

[Tony]

There's a bullshit. We got to do everything.

[Stugats]

Yeah, 100%. And again, like, you know, I hope I'm not speaking out of turn here, but, like, Rachel Nichols house burnt down in those LA fires, and just the idea that her kids having adjusted to living in a new house and the school, everything that they know, right? The Walgreens they went to, done the school, the public library, like, all the things that was their life are done.

[Donovan]

And I think, well, and it's like, all right, where are you gonna go live right now? You know, for the next however, maybe the rest of the season.

[Stugats]

Right, Right. So. So I guess my thing is, like, when you're talking about kids as adults, I think, I don't know if you went through this. As I remember, before I had kids, I live anywhere. I live anywhere. I mean, that's not a great neighborhood. It's a great deal, though. I'll live there. And then you have kids. Like, I don't want to live in this neighborhood. What's the school district like? All these other things start to take precedent in the decision making.

[Donovan]

Of course.

[Stugats]

So same thing here. It's like, if I were a single dude with no children and everything, my house burned down. I'd be mad, obviously. If I lost personal items that can't be replaced, I'd be distraught. But there's a part of me like, okay, deal with it. Move on. Next day, what are we gonna do? What are you gonna do? Cry about it? It's gone, it's done. It ain't coming back. But when you have kids in the equation, that's a little harder. It's harder to tell them. You can't tell them to move on.

[Donovan]

Yeah, I mean. I mean, look, not to speak out of turn. He's divor kid's mother. Like, who knows how. How often the kids actually live with him. Especially during NBA season.

[Stugats]

Sure.

[Donovan]

But for me, it's more about, like, it. That. That's all your. It's all your. And now you have no. And it's like, figure it out. And that, to me is, man, that. That. That gives me odds. Thinking about it.

[Stugats]

Even if the kids are there every other weekend, that's still my room. That's still my stuff. That's still the thing that I might have said, should I take it with me back to my. I just leave it. I'll get it next time. And I was gone. And again, it's. It's. It sounds like I'm talking about material things, but we're not, man. We're talking about things. The emotional connections that people make, and specifically that children make that. That, as I said, an adult can move.

[Donovan]

And now you got to make yourself a new home. That sucks, man.

[Stugats]

Yeah, no, it's. It's. It is. It's a tough situation.

[Donovan]

And again, people are like, oh, you know, he makes a ton of money. Like, he'll be okay. Well, of course he's going to be okay. But it doesn't take away from, you know, what I'm sure is a massive emotional toll that he is dealing with right now.

[Stugats]

So prayers out to the Spolster family.

[Donovan]

Hope, like, that's the worst thing, right? Like, outside of family members being sick or family members dying, losing your home is the next worst thing, right? Yeah.

[Stugats]

No, I mean, like, yes. After. If we're the Maslow's hierarchy of needs. Right. Like, number one is, is everyone safe and healthy?

[Donovan]

Yeah.

[Stugats]

Right. Boom. That's great. Okay. The next thing is shelter.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Donovan]

Now you don't have a place to live.

[Stugats]

I don't have a place to live. Or, you know, or for millions of Americans who are dealing with the government shutdown and the Removal of snap benefits, like being able to eat. Like these are the very next things on the human need hierarchy. So health something. Eat somewhere to stay.

[Mike]

So Schumer shut down.

[Stugats]

Our thoughts are with the Spolzer family. I hope everybody's okay, both physically, mentally and emotionally. But dad. Insult to injury, ma'. Am. Adebayo got hurt last night. Foot injury early in the game.

[Tony]

Kind of a sneaky injury because we were, I was watching the game and then it was just, Bam's not there and it's like, oh, he's hurt. And I was like, well, when.

[Donovan]

Yeah, did they ever show any kind of replay? Because it was like mid first quarter and Eric Reed was just all matter of fact, you know, Bam's gone to the locker room. He's questionable return.

[Stugats]

It was like what I saw one, one angle where he's just running up the floor and then all of a sudden pain. Right. I, I, I don't know. We don't have the, the details as far as what, exactly what part of his foot, but obviously this is a huge blow to the Heat they're off to despite, you know, what's a 500 record or whatever, a positive start to the season.

[Donovan]

Really tough schedule to start the season.500.

[Mike]

With the west coast trip at the start of the season. That's pretty good. Jokic took full advantage. He had his seventh career game of 30, 15 and 15 plus medical player. He's solid. Keep an eye out on him.

[Tony]

Mvp.

[Donovan]

If, if we're. Oh, you know what, hold on, hold on.

[Stugats]

Wait a minute. We'll slow down before we get into that talk. Let me just give you guys a stat of the day. An early start of the day.

[Dan LeBatard]

Start of the day. Start of the day. It is your start of the day. Start of the day. Start of the day. It is a start of the day. Start of the day. Start of the day. It is the start of the day. Start of the day. Start of the day. It is the start of the day.

[Stugats]

So last night, Nikola Jokic led the Nuggets in points, rebounds and assists. But also he was the high man for the game, even over anyone in the Heat in points, in rebounds and assists. That's the 78th time he's done that in his career. That's the most by any player since the 76 NBA ABA merger. Second place, LeBron James, 68.

[Tony]

So hold on, let's, let's run that back again. So Jokic had more points, rebounds and assists than anybody.

[Stugats]

More points than anybody, more rebounds than anybody, more assists than anybody.

[Tony]

And he's done this 78 times.

[Stugats]

78 times. And the number two guy on the list is LeBron, who's done it 68 times, 10 less times, despite playing what, 11 years more than Jokic's play.

[Donovan]

Good player.

[Stugats]

MVP.

[Tony]

How, how good of a player.

[Stugats]

Of the day.

[Tony]

Zaz. Yeah, I know there's fatigue about this guy. I know he's won a bunch already, but he's already in. In mid season playoff form. Nikola Jokic, my MVP of the day.

[Donovan]

Yep. So if we're having a conversation about mvp, you got to include Jokic.

[Tony]

I have to. Even if he's not playing well, I have to include him because I know at some point he's gonna turn it on and he's gonna be better than everybody else in the in, on the court and in the league. So right now, today, Yoko, mvp.

[Mike]

Just to clear things up for me and the audience.

[Stugats]

Gone.

[Mike]

Yeah, conceptually, is this an MVP of the day like the imaging suggests, or are we still doing King of the Mountain style like Jokic is still trying to climb over Hawkeyes?

[Donovan]

This is. This is who is in the MVP conversation in the bar. Yeah, that's what this is.

[Mike]

All right, so it's like Maxi and Hawkeye.

[Donovan]

Have you been listening? Those guys have been in the conversation. That's right.

[Mike]

Oh, okay. I thought it was King of the Mountain style, like you gotta take them.

[Stugats]

Down, knock em out. No, the MVP conversation bar, which is adjacent to this segment. But still, I believe we're all in the same canon, the same universe. It's a bar, there's a guy outside, a bouncer. If you're not in the MVP conversation, you can't get in the bar.

[Donovan]

That's right.

[Stugats]

Right.

[Mike]

So for example, it's like the Heisman Club.

[Stugats]

Yeah, a little bit like, like Heisman house, like of the day. Thank you.

[Donovan]

I'll tell you what.

[Stugats]

So I'll give you an example.

[Mike]

Were you about to do it again?

[Donovan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Mike]

You know about those nuggets.

[Donovan]

That's right. That's right.

[Stugats]

I'll give you an example. Right. Anthony Edwards, great player, Right. Has been in the MVP conversation bar last couple of years.

[Donovan]

He's not in right now.

[Stugats]

Right now, bounce is out. Sorry, Big Dog, I can't do it.

[Donovan]

I haven't seen that fool.

[Tony]

We're full today.

[Stugats]

We're full today. It's like, hold on, check back with me. He's doing the bounce, is doing all that stuff.

[Mike]

Hawkes list.

[Stugats]

Well, I don't know if Hawk. Hawkes.

[Tony]

Hawke has had a brief stint no, no, no.

[Mike]

He's in it. He got in.

[Tony]

He got in.

[Donovan]

If we're having a conversation about mvp, Jaime Hawkez is in the conversation.

[Stugats]

Let me tell you.

[Mike]

He got there for Javier.

[Stugats]

Sometimes, Mike, you can get in the bar and they can eject you out.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Stugats]

You.

[Mike]

At that point, has he been asked. Already been asked to leave?

[Tony]

I don't think he's been asked to leave, but the problem is that Jokic came in with mad Serbians.

[Stugats]

Yeah.

[Tony]

So it's like, all right, we're. We don't have that much space.

[Mike]

So Anthony Edwards is at the Velvet Robe saying, you don't remember me. I spent a lot of money here.

[Stugats]

Yes, that's exactly what he's saying. But you know what? At some point, maybe the bouncer says, all right, man, you got it.

[Mike]

What's your name? What's your name? I want your name. This is going to be so funny for you.

[Dan LeBatard]

Oh. Oh.

[Tony]

I know the owner of this place.

[Mike]

Just wait.

[Stugats]

The other part of the MVP conversation is the guys are in there. Okay, so you're in the bar, but they're all standing in a circle. And the guy's standing in the middle of the circle. He's got a drink in his hand, and he's telling the craziest story. And everyone's silent, just watching. That's the guy who's the front runner for mvp. The closer you are to that guy, the more your chances of being MVP is. Maybe you're also trying to jump in, like, hold on.

[Tony]

Like, SGA was there telling the story, but then Jokic came and said, no.

[Stugats]

Hold on, hold on.

[Mike]

Wait.

[Donovan]

Listen to this.

[Stugats]

Yeah, listen to this. Exactly. The farther you are out, you're in the conversation. But.

[Tony]

But you're an earshot.

[Stugats]

Earshot.

[Tony]

You're not really saying anything. You're just listening. You're a listener.

[Stugats]

So Hawkez, for. Whenever he was in the bar, he.

[Tony]

Yeah, he's kind of peeking over the crowd.

[Stugats]

He's just. He's just happy to be here. He's like, oh, my God, I can't wait to tell everybody. I was at the bar, and it was Jokic, and it was Shay, and it was L. Luca, and Wemby was there.

[Donovan]

He was bigger than everybody. I think right now, the guy in the center that you're talking about there is Luca.

[Stugats]

Wow.

[Donovan]

Luca is the one who's doing story time holding the drink. But I'm going to tell you something. If we're going to have a conversation about mvp, we better have a conversation about Kate Cunningham. That's right. The Pistons last night improved a six and two.

[Mike]

Hold on, hold on. He needs imaging. This just does not feel right without it. So there's two V's in the bar.

[Donovan]

V.

[Stugats]

Of the day.

[Mike]

I mean, Flair was cutting a promo during commercial break. What are we doing if we're gonna.

[Donovan]

Have a conversation about mvp? Uh huh. Kate Cunningham's in that conversation. What?

[Tony]

You know about Kate Cunningham?

[Donovan]

I know about Kate Cunningham.

[Tony]

You know about Kate Cunningham?

[Donovan]

Pistons are now 6 and 2. Cade Cunningham, 31 points, 10 assists last night. If we're going to talk MVP, somebody better be talking about Cade Cunningham. That somebody sounds like Buddy.

[Tony]

Buddy, you know when I was talking about Kade Cunningham?

[Donovan]

When?

[Mike]

Last year.

[Donovan]

Okay, last year's last year.

[Tony]

Yeah, but I was on the mountain already.

[Mike]

Are you not familiar with his very high stakes bit of getting highly touted prospects and having the gall to say this guy might be good someday? Are you not familiar with that?

[Donovan]

That's your bit.

[Dan LeBatard]

That's my bit.

[Donovan]

I would lose that.

[Mike]

He identifies a couple of people that he thinks have high ceilings and he says, watch out for this gu. And then when they're all pros, he pretends like he's Colin Cowherd.

[Stugats]

Watch out for this number one overall pick. Is that what you're saying?

[Tony]

There was a lot of people down on him. A lot of people didn't like the Pistons hurt. I know, that's what I was saying. That was my point.

[Donovan]

He's hurt. He's in the conversation right now.

[Stugats]

He's in the bar.

[Mike]

Let me tell you something, Coach of the year. You better be having a conversation about Thiago Splitter.

[Donovan]

Whoa.

[Stugats]

How about career defining win? Dude, can you have a career defining win?

[Mike]

Are they. Are they putting Chauncey Billups. Are they putting Chauncey Billups under the jail? What?

[Donovan]

I understand Portland Trailblazer fans were thrilled that Chauncey's not the coach.

[Mike]

I mean, wow. It's a small sample, right? But this team is good, coach, as a great would once say. Awesome. They just handed the defending champs their first loss, man, with an asterisk.

[Stugats]

You.

[Donovan]

You remember that game too, in 2013?

[Mike]

Shout out.

[Donovan]

When LeBron blocked the interim head coach of the Portland Trailblazers. Blocked him right at the rim. Shit was awesome. One of the best moments of my life.

[Mike]

Yeah, I hate John C. Billups. What?

[Donovan]

Yeah, I hate him too, dude.

[Stugats]

2004.

[Donovan]

Absolutely should not be in the hall of Fame, dude.

[Stugats]

Absolutely.

[Donovan]

Oh, you're nuts.

[Mike]

In the tier of opposing basketball team hate. Knicks aren't in my Top two.

[Stugats]

Really?

[Mike]

I swear. And I hate the New York Knicks.

[Stugats]

Wait, who's one?

[Mike]

Number one. And they did a lot to earn it. They did a lot to earn it. It was a Celtics.

[Donovan]

Really?

[Mike]

Number two. I hated that Piston scene.

[Chris]

Me, too.

[Mike]

They were a roadblock for Miami.

[Stugats]

Pistons over Knicks.

[Mike]

Dude, think of this. Pistons.

[Donovan]

Okay, but is it Pistons over Knicks now because of your memories, or are you taking yourself back to the time?

[Mike]

Taking myself back to. And I had an intense hatred for the Knicks. That went for several years. But the Pistons thing went for several years.

[Stugats]

There's only one year they knocked him out.

[Donovan]

Yeah, well, that's true. That's true. But the Pistons.

[Stugats]

Knicks knocked out three times in a row.

[Donovan]

I disagree with you, Mike here because I hated the Pistons.

[Mike]

Do you remember Rasheed Wallace's face?

[Donovan]

It's a stupid face.

[Mike]

It's a stupid face. Mr. Big Shot.

[Donovan]

I hate stupid face.

[Tony]

Be careful, guys. I care about you.

[Mike]

Don't you remember Pat Riley? His shot is like snow falling off a bamboo leaf. That's the highest compliment Pat Riley's ever bestowed upon him.

[Donovan]

But the Heat never got past the Knicks during that stretch. Like, the Heat got. They slayed the Pistons and they won the title.

[Mike]

But you're with me, though. Sneaky team. In terms of, like, the history of this.

[Donovan]

I hated those.

[Mike]

People would probably say, pacers ahead of the Pistons.

[Donovan]

No, no, we own them.

[Stugats]

If you never lose to them, then you. They can't.

[Tony]

It was always so close. So that's the thing.

[Donovan]

Nah, we made them believe it was close. It wasn't close. There was never a moment. There was never a time.

[Tony]

You weren't afraid of David west.

[Donovan]

They were down 2:1 in 2013.

[Mike]

Didman start.

[Donovan]

It got a little dicey.

[Tony]

You're going to lie to me? Tell me you weren't afraid of David West.

[Mike]

Went to Tom Crean. He ran into Tom Crane's warm bosom.

[Donovan]

It got a little dicey. Down two games and one, down by 10 at halftime in game four. It got a little dicey. I'll admit. I'll admit. Chauncey Billups should not be the hall of Fame.

[Stugats]

Absolutely. He's a Hall of Famer.

[Donovan]

Oh, yeah.

[Stugats]

Absolutely. He's hall of Famer.

[Donovan]

I mean, Chauncey Billups one time in his career was all NBA. One time.

[Stugats]

Okay.

[Donovan]

It was all NBA third team, too, by the way.

[Stugats]

So you're telling me we don't split hairs on that?

[Donovan]

That's not splitting hair.

[Mike]

It's a.

[Donovan]

You're all NBA anyway. No, that's not true at all. You're saying there's not a difference between all NBA first team and all NBA third team anyway.

[Stugats]

By the way, he's three time all NBA, thank you very much.

[Donovan]

Really?

[Stugats]

He's a five time allstar. He's two time all defensive team. He's a finals MVP like and gold medalist.

[Donovan]

Was he ever all NBA sec, second team or up?

[Mike]

Yeah, I was emotional during those games too.

[Donovan]

I thought, I thought he was only all NBA third team. Was he ever all in being second?

[Stugats]

He was all league. Here we go. Sorry. Second team, second team. Second team.

[Donovan]

Really?

[Tony]

He's never 13.

[Stugats]

He was 13.

[Mike]

What does it matter? He's going to jail for life. Like he is the lead. He is the star witness for the FBI. Tiago Slater.

[Stugats]

He's the guy with the modulated voice on Pablo's podcast.

[Mike]

Oh, I just started running stuff in the half court.

[Stugats]

Then I had a gutshot. Then another gutshot I should close out. Is gutshot the phrase of the year? I mean, for those of us who don't play poker, this concept of a gutshot, I'm like, oh, I kind of like it. I like the idea of like, how do you explain like this Hail Mary, blind faith. It's gutshot. Like, ugh.

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[Mike]

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[Stugats]

Oh wow. It's in there.

[Tony]

Haven't been practicing ST.

[Stugats]

I didn't realize.

[Donovan]

We had a substitute.

[Stugats]

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[Tony]

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[Dan LeBatard]

This is the D Ler show with the st.

[Stugats]

Speaking of the sound, here's a transition for you.

[Mike]

I'm waiting to see where it is going on here.

[Stugats]

Not. Not the steamed Brussels sprouts.

[Tony]

About to say. Not the Tony Romo.

[Stugats]

Not the Tony Romo. That's a different. Right. It's a little bit more elongated. It's a little bit more sensual. That's not where I'm going. I'm going way more like a gutter, like an axe.

[Mike]

That was like a. Oh, it's on the. So just changing the pitch.

[Stugats]

So we're having a conversation, and Tony says out loud, this new Running man movie, is it a remake? And I said, you've never seen the Running Man. You've never even heard of it before this. So what. What are your. Your impressions of the Running Man? Like what of what you've seen?

[Donovan]

Putty's running.

[Tony]

He's running.

[Stugats]

He's right.

[Mike]

That boy's running.

[Tony]

So I figured out what it was, right?

[Mike]

It's Forrest Gump.

[Tony]

With Bounty Gate. Basically. Like, I was watching the commercial, obviously, they have. They play them on the NBA games or whatever, and I'm like. I like the concept. Basically, bounty hunters chasing a guy for 30 days. If he eludes them, you make a billion dollars. Okay, I'm in. I like the idea. I like the story. So I asked Amin. It's gotta be a reboot, right? There's no way that this is an original concept that just made it to 2025.

[Stugats]

The Running man is.

[Donovan]

Is it a remake or is it a sequel?

[Stugats]

It's a remake. It's a remake because the original, which came out in 1990, I want to say, was massive. It's the type of action movie that. Yeah, man, people, the global audience love. It's right behind you. I want you to turn around. Ah, yes. I'm the Running Man.

[Dan LeBatard]

Wow.

[Stugats]

Tony, no matter, however good or bad the new one is gonna be, you have to watch.

[Tony]

You're telling me OG Running man was goaded, Goaded.

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[Stugats]

Goated and in it. So it's a TV show. It's kind of prescient in a way, because it's like a reality show before. Reality shows are big reality show, and people are like, we can either sentence you to death or you can star on the running.

[Tony]

So is he a criminal?

[Stugats]

He's framed, of course. Frame, of course. And they give him the choice, do you want execution? Or you could play the game. So he decides to play the game. But he's the best contestant ever at the Running man. And the Guy who's the executive producer of the show is like, nah, nah, we can't have. We can't have this get messed up. So he starts cheating and increasing the levels of difficulty. Excellent movie.

[Chris]

1987.

[Stugats]

1987. Running Man. Wow. Richard Dawson was the Richard Dawson game show host.

[Mike]

Really stretched his chops there.

[Stugats]

Well, I thought, you know what? Richard Dawson was ass off. Because he wasn't just a game show host, which is what he does in real life. He was a villain.

[Chris]

He also had the only comeback to I'll Be Back that I've ever seen in a Schwarzenegger movie. He said, only in a rerun.

[Stugats]

Got his ass.

[Donovan]

That's a good line.

[Tony]

Oh, man, Justin, I gotta watch the. The OG I think you should.

[Stugats]

I think you should. Maybe after you watch the new one. Maybe before, I don't know. But I know you have to watch it at some point because it really is a fun movie, man. It's. It's back when action movies are action movies.

[Chris]

Jim Brown was in there.

[Stugats]

Yep. Jim Brown was one of the guys.

[Donovan]

I think it looks cool, man. You never see Running Man. Shame on you.

[Stugats]

You've seen Running Man?

[Donovan]

Yeah, I've seen Run. Not the new one.

[Mike]

You're not allowed to do that. Why see Rambo after yesterday's hijinks?

[Donovan]

Whatever. I've never seen Rambo cares.

[Mike]

And we discovered something this morning.

[Stugats]

What's that?

[Mike]

I'm embarrassed to say I'm very.

[Tony]

Don't even.

[Donovan]

Don't be embarrassed.

[Stugats]

Don't.

[Tony]

Don't even say it. It's embarrassing.

[Mike]

Zaz doesn't know about that. 007.

[Tony]

It's crazy.

[Donovan]

I never seen a single James Bond.

[Tony]

Suck a move.

[Donovan]

No, that's a sucker move. What I tell you about. Call me a sucker, Agrees a sucker. I already told you, I've never seen a single James Bond movie. Doesn't even matter the actor. And here's the thing, though. I mean, here's the thing. I know I would like them. So it's not like I haven't seen him, because I don't think it's good. I know I would like it.

[Stugats]

Quantum of Solace.

[Donovan]

Those Daniel Craig jeans. Like, I don't really care about the ones before. The Daniel Craig one's. Fire movies look awesome.

[Stugats]

A movie called Quantum of Solace. I don't know what it means. I know it's the coolest name of a movie I've ever heard in my life. Quantum of Solace.

[Donovan]

Seen that? Quantum of Solace.

[Stugats]

Oh, of course I've seen it. Casino Royale.

[Donovan]

Yeah, the movies look good. I never seen it.

[Mike]

So you never played goldeneye?

[Donovan]

Yeah, man, I never had. I don't know if. I never played. I never had it. I never owned it.

[Mike]

You don't know about that? Goldeneye?

[Stugats]

Nah.

[Mike]

That's the only thing that you need from the double O7.

[Donovan]

I know about Golden Tea.

[Mike]

No, Golden Tea is.

[Tony]

I don't even know what that is. It was a big dog pimping.

[Mike]

T is a arcade game where you have to get the ball, but sometimes the ball isn't properly lubricity, as Braun Strowman would call it. Goldeneye was the greatest video game of all time.

[Stugats]

Specter.

[Donovan]

Yeah, you can keep naming. All right. He told you. I never seen him.

[Mike]

You don't know about that. Slappers only.

[Donovan]

That's not a real name.

[Mike]

No, no, it's a game mode.

[Donovan]

You go.

[Mike]

You can go. Big head mode. What was the best stage complex where you go slappers only you climb through the vents and you don't have.

[Donovan]

Whatever.

[Mike]

Have a gun. So the way to win the game in the multiplayer, it's like elimination. It's kind of like the running man. You go up and you just slap.

[Donovan]

All right. Sorry. I wasn't spending all my time on video games.

[Stugats]

I was hooking up with girls in 1990.

[Tony]

You're watching wrestling.

[Stugats]

Yeah. Nobody talking. You weren't hooking up, watching wrestling.

[Mike]

Come on. No one believes that.

[Stugats]

Zaz, in 97, there's a movie called Tomorrow Never Dies. Now, not only is that.

[Chris]

Ally's in that.

[Stugats]

Not only is that title cool as hell, Tomorrow Never Dies, but the premise of the movie in 1997 was There's a billionaire who controls or owns newspapers all over the world. So then he just starts creating fake news to create conflict to fuel his business.

[Donovan]

That's awfully foreshadowing.

[Stugats]

That's what in 97. Wow. 1997. You got to watch that Bond, man.

[Donovan]

Okay, so, like, what do. Do I go back in time, or do I just watch the Daniel Craig? What do I do?

[Tony]

I would say they're different world, basically. Right. You don't have to have.

[Donovan]

There's a multiverse in James Bond.

[Tony]

Know that there's eight different James Bonds.

[Mike]

No, but it's a singular universe.

[Stugats]

Yeah.

[Mike]

Everything that happens is the 007. There's a double oh7. And it's just, you know, they film these movies in different time periods. So Bond has different tech. You have to suspend that kind of disbelief.

[Stugats]

Yeah.

[Donovan]

Do I have to? Okay, so let's say I'm just going to watch the Daniel Craig ones, do I have to start at the beginning? Like, do. If I didn't see the one before, I'm gonna be screwed.

[Stugats]

I think the best thing to do is you pick an actor, a James Bond actor, and then you start from his first movie and go on. So in other words, the Pierce Brosnan ones have no bearing on the Daniel Craig ones. Right? But don't start the Daniel Craig one with, like, Casino Royale or whatever.

[Donovan]

That's what I'm saying.

[Stugats]

You want to start with the first. Actually, Casino Royale was the first one. Yeah. You don't want to start with, like, Skyfall. With her. You start with Casino Royale, then Quantum of Solace, then Skyfall, Spectre, and finally, no Time to die. What a. My man said, hey, man, you got to die right now. Like, ah, I ain't got no time.

[Tony]

Let me check in my Omega.

[Stugats]

Nah, no time. And also product placement. Mwah.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Tony]

Beautiful.

[Stugats]

They mastered product placement. You want to see that new Audi? Yeah, you watch that?

[Tony]

You know about that Aston Martin?

[Donovan]

I used to drive an Audi. Whatever. I'm just saying here.

[Chris]

Good for you.

[Tony]

You don't know about that Octopussy.

[Donovan]

I. I know about Octopussy. If we're talking about the same one, I don't know.

[Chris]

Are.

[Donovan]

I don't know.

[Mike]

I mean, you were probably in high school when Goldeneye came out on N64. It's a moment in time.

[Donovan]

I was definitely not in high school. How old do you think I am?

[Stugats]

Dude, I was in college.

[Tony]

I don't know.

[Stugats]

I was in college. And that's all we played.

[Mike]

You dress like you're 22.

[Donovan]

There you go. See, I'm young.

[Mike]

But you are the living embodiment of the Steve Buscemi, what's up, fellow kids type of.

[Chris]

Yeah, that's a vibe right there.

[Mike]

Type of energy.

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[Donovan]

Don LeBatard I've never stepped foot on that campus. If you told me right now your life depends on it. Go to Santa Fe University and just just take a picture.

[Mike]

Stugats I would die.

[Donovan]

I don't know where it is.

[Dan LeBatard]

This is the Dan Levatar show with the Stugats.

[Stugats]

Speaking of video games, Donovan Mitchell last night had a video game type night. He scored four to six points.

[Donovan]

Darius Garland finally.

[Stugats]

Oh yeah. Shout out to Darius Garland. Yeah There you go. But here's the real transition. He credited his 46 point outburst to a kid that was talking trash to him on 2K the night before. And he was like, all right, you know what? I'm gonna show you. Because the kid said, you're washed, man.

[Tony]

Wow.

[Mike]

Those kids on those games, they can get your blood boiling.

[Donovan]

They're nasty.

[Mike]

I don't even open the portal anymore. Just everything on mute, no headsets, don't try to talk to me.

[Stugats]

Am I the only one who's like, I don't want Donovan Mitchell playing 2K under his own name? If you want to be, you need the burner. Yeah, yeah, man. If you have Jack Spade, all right, that's cool.

[Mike]

But I don't want Jack spade.

[Tony]

Despite a Mitchell 45.

[Stugats]

Yeah, come on, man. And now it's like you're getting into it with kids online and yeah, he scored 46 and haha. But it just like, what if he had a bad game? First of all, he wouldn't tell us, but that could be going around. Like I knew it. I told him he was watched. Like I don't, right?

[Donovan]

How many times did the kid tell me his wash and he had a stinker the next game. We didn't know about it.

[Stugats]

Exactly.

[Mike]

Is that an actual conversation? I don't know. I'm just jumping back in here on the sport. Donovan Mitchell seems like he's in his prime.

[Stugats]

He is. But kids are kids if you're 12 years old.

[Mike]

So it sees on an insecurity. He's probably asking himself, do I still got it.

[Tony]

Pretty good Last year he.

[Stugats]

Said, here's a quote. This kid pissed me off today. I'm sorry. It wasn't even the night before. This kid pissed me off today. I was playing 2K. I told him too. I was like, just wait, just wait. And he just called me washed up. He called me a bunch of things, but I love it. He's saying he ain't seen a highlight from me in a minute. And I just told him, all right, we'll see. This game was for that kid or grown man, whoever that was. I appreciate you. I told him I'd give him a shout out to he may got catfish.

[Tony]

We need to find that guy or that kid, whoever it is, to find him.

[Stugats]

Allison, can we get the kid, Find the kid. They called him Washed, Mitchell Washed.

[Tony]

But think about that. You're the kid and then you see Spider Mitchell 45 or whatever his username is, and you're like, there's no way. Right?

[Donovan]

They can't yeah. How do you get them to prove it?

[Tony]

Be like, yo, are you.

[Stugats]

Are you telling me the voice? I guess if you're chatting on the voice, you hear the voice.

[Mike]

There's no way this was a kid. That kid looks like Stavi baby. Not a kid.

[Stugats]

He was good in the new movie, right? You went and saw that movie with.

[Mike]

Yeah. Begonia.

[Stugats]

Yeah.

[Mike]

Yeah, he was awesome.

[Donovan]

He's coming down here.

[Mike]

Yeah. I keep getting ads for that. Targeted.

[Stugats]

I guess I'll ask.

[Donovan]

That's your algorithm?

[Mike]

Yeah. What's yours?

[Donovan]

Boobs man.

[Mike]

Oh, yeah.

[Donovan]

It's a good algorithm.

[Stugats]

Yeah.

[Mike]

Not mine, but yes. Avi was incredible in that movie.

[Tony]

Not.

[Mike]

Not a large cast. He really stuck out because there were like, five people in the movie. But yeah, it was great. That's a great. Emma Stone's just gonna do this thing where every year she's like, I'm gonna make a movie that'll get me in this conversation.

[Donovan]

Make a movie that's really weird.

[Mike]

I'm gonna make this. Like, yeah. That everyone comes away with. That performance was incredible. That's just.

[Stugats]

Emma isn't amazing. Like, do you guys have that same feeling? She's a little Kawhi Leonard. Jimmy Butler is sure. It's like the start of her career. Like, oh, yeah, it's a fun. Doing fun little kid movies.

[Tony]

Easy A.

[Stugats]

And then all of a sudden, it's like, yo, you're one of the best actors in the game.

[Tony]

Now.

[Mike]

She might play herself in a Jordan territory where there's Jordan MVP fatigue.

[Stugats]

Oh, no way. No fatigue.

[Mike]

I thought this performance was better than Poor Things. I love this movie.

[Donovan]

That movie looks so weird.

[Mike]

Poor Things.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Mike]

Poor Things was. I didn't really like it. You would think that it would be made for someone like me, but nah, I wasn't. I understand why she won for her performance. It was, you know, she was very committed. Doing crazy things in that. It's a lot like your algorithm. But this one. This one's probably closer to Tony's algo in terms of the subject matter that they tackle.

[Tony]

What's that supposed to mean?

[Mike]

It's a post truth. Post truth type of film.

[Stugats]

That's your gimmick.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Tony]

I don't know what that's.

[Mike]

The whole movie is based on. These two guys kidnapped this CEO who they are convinced.

[Donovan]

Begonia.

[Mike]

Yeah. Who they are convinced is an alien.

[Donovan]

Why is it called Begonia?

[Stugats]

That's her name, right?

[Mike]

I'm not exactly sure why it's called Begonia.

[Tony]

Do they say the word Begonia in the movie?

[Stugats]

Does Anyone go, I said it. He said it.

[Mike]

I didn't. Is begonia even a word?

[Stugats]

Doesn't mean it's like a plant.

[Mike]

Yeah, yeah.

[Stugats]

My begonias.

[Mike]

So it's not like the planet that.

[Chris]

She'S from or anything?

[Mike]

My petunias.

[Tony]

Oh, begonia sounds.

[Stugats]

I think begonia is a word, right?

[Mike]

Yeah. There's a lot of bees.

[Stugats]

What's a begonia? Here we go. Google. What's a begonia? A begonia is a genus of perennial flowering plants with more than 2,000 species.

[Tony]

Attaboy.

[Stugats]

Native to moist tropical and subtropical climate.

[Tony]

Shout out to us.

[Mike]

I don't get the reference. Really. Maybe I have to watch it again. I don't really see a lot of plants in that film.

[Donovan]

Does it happen to you a lot that you see a movie, you don't understand it?

[Mike]

I don't understand the title.

[Stugats]

How was the last time that happened to you?

[Mike]

Tenet, no one knows about me.

[Donovan]

Stupidest movie.

[Mike]

It is the dumbest movie ever.

[Stugats]

I. I like. I watched that. I remember. Tenet, if you guys remember, came out in the middle of the pandemic. Like, the middle of the pandemic.

[Mike]

I risked my life for that in theaters.

[Stugats]

And I said, this is the movie. You guys remember me. I grew my hair. I wouldn't go to the barber. I wouldn't go out. I wouldn't do anything other than go get groceries. That's it. I was living life like it was Mad Max. But I said, the one thing I will risk my life for is a Christopher Nolan movie with John David Washington. I'm there. I have never been more. To this day, I still don't understand what the that movie is about.

[Donovan]

Neither is Christopher Nolan.

[Stugats]

It's. It's. I don't know.

[Donovan]

The worst movie looked cool as hell in trailer.

[Stugats]

It does look. It did. It looked cool. He definitely nailed the looking cool part.

[Mike]

The ones go back in the gun. Stop it.

[Stugats]

Just. But they're still talking forward. Like, if we're moving backward, we're not the kid.

[Mike]

Robert Pattinson, who cares gives a shit? This is bad. And he got the leads totally mixed up.

[Stugats]

Oh, you think?

[Mike]

Patton says Washington was done after that.

[Stugats]

Yeah. It was beyond his depth, perhaps.

[Mike]

I don't think he had that much range.

[Stugats]

Yeah, I don't. I.

[Mike]

It never was. Like, it was a great performance in Black Klansman.

[Donovan]

Right.

[Mike]

But it was the subject matter. Like, I think a lot of people could have played that role. And if you watched Ballers, you're like, ah, this guy's got his limits.

[Stugats]

That was my Problem. I'm watching Tenet and I'm like, that's Ricky Jarrett.

[Donovan]

That is Ricky Jarrett.

[Stugats]

I can't. I can't see anything past Ricky Jarrett.

[Chris]

Well, he started in five movies after.

[Mike]

That and they all flopped. Yeah, but didn't flop. No, no, no. After that.

[Chris]

After. After that.

[Donovan]

Hollywood.

[Mike]

The box offices. Told you what were they. Don't make him your leading man.

[Donovan]

So one movie where he's trying to find the kid who is the key to, like, life.

[Mike]

The creator. It was a huge flop.

[Chris]

Malcolm and Marie Beckett. Amsterdam, the creator. And the piano lesson I never even heard of.

[Stugats]

It was a good one.

[Chris]

Sucked, probably.

[Stugats]

No, it was like. It was a. It was an artsy movie.

[Mike]

Amsterdam was a huge flop. It had a lot of people in it.

[Stugats]

That wasn't him. He was in the lead though.

[Mike]

No, no, that was a huge ensemble. That was just a big time flop.

[Donovan]

Tenet. Not a big movie.

[Mike]

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