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Dan LeBatard
I'm not totally sure Zaz, as we begin Today, if in 21 years of doing this, I have ever felt exactly the way that I do right now starting this show today, and it's going to be honestly hard to overcome the way that I'm actually physically feeling. No, it's not. It's not exciting for this reason. Do you guys make any distinctions, any distinctions at all between feeling embarrassed and feeling ashamed? Any distinctions between the two things? So shame is much worse, right? Feeling ashamed feels worse than embarrassed. Even though embarrassing feels plenty bad, right?
Amin Elhassan
The embarrassing will go away a lot quicker than shame.
Dan LeBatard
I have felt embarrassed any number of times doing this show over 21 years. I've never started it feeling this kind of ashamed. Why are you ashamed I. I was just throwing peanut shells all over the floor of the parking garage, and I got caught. And I got caught by Mike Ryan. And I got caught by Mike Ryan, who called me out in front of the entirety of the group. And then Amin looks up and is like, I was wondering who was doing that. And I had no moves away from that. I was simply throwing peanut shells on the floor of the garage and expecting someone else to pick them up.
Chris Cody
There's a little stairwell thing, like, by the elevator. Sometimes you take the stairs up, and I come up the stairs sometimes, and I'll see the shells there. And I'm just like, man, who are these people? I just. In my mind, it's like, two or three kids probably, who work at the hotel in their, like, early 20s. They sit around, they crack wise, and they eat these peanuts. It's a peanut gallery, pretty much. And then they just leave the shells, and they're like, come on, guys. Every day. And then Mike comes in here, and he's like, dan, we gotta talk about these peanuts.
Dan LeBatard
And I'm like, well, the fact that they knew it was me. First of all, this is a hotel. Like, it could have been anybody.
Amin Elhassan
It's a nice hotel.
Mike Ryan
No, it couldn't have been anywhere.
Dan LeBatard
It's a parking garage. But the fact that both of them. Well, the fact that Amin didn't initially know it was me, but the fact that Mike immediately knew it was me. This is the source of my shame. I don't want to be seen that clearly. That could have been any number of culprits. This is Miami, and it's a luxury hotel.
Amin Elhassan
I mean. I mean, you thought it was some squirrels who could have been Secret Squirrel.
Dan LeBatard
I don't believe that everyone here would have assumed that was me.
Mike Ryan
Oh, come on.
Dan LeBatard
Really? I mean, Amin didn't.
Chris Cody
Nah. Like, if you hadn't said. If you said someone here. Amin. Eats peanuts. It's not the squirrels. It's not people working the hotel. It's people here who are eating peanuts and shelling them. I don't. Before I got to Dan, it would have been a while.
Amin Elhassan
Dan, you get after those peanuts.
Dan LeBatard
Yes. You do?
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Dan LeBatard
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Mike Ryan
It's a little early for Dan. Bingo.
Dan LeBatard
Excuses. With the taste of the peanuts and everything to do with the freedom of. Oh, wait, I Can just throw these things on the floor in a ballpark.
Mike Ryan
This is not a ballpark.
Amin Elhassan
The freedom of making trash and picking.
Mike Ryan
Up a shared garage, there isn't. I mean, you. My parents came from Cuba, not Texas Roadhouse.
Dan LeBatard
This is not something that I like.
Chris Cody
The idea of Castro just being like, don't eat those peanuts.
Mike Ryan
America. This is for America.
Dan LeBatard
I just treat every place like it's Texas Roadhouse. This is the Dan Levator show with the Stugats podcast. Chris Cody just asked me a question. It's a good one, I think. Is basketball a winter sport, yes or no? Because I don't consider it one. Even though they play during winter, I consider the winter sports to have ice around them, cold around them. And so I think by the calendar, it's a winter sport. But I don't think of basketball as a winter sport. So just put that on the poll. But as we get started today, I need people who may not know the entire history in this market in South Florida as we do something to help South Florida that Zaslow and us and our show have been friends for 20 years. Started a radio station in Miami that we were very proud of, and Miami means a lot to us. And Zaslow, as a literal friend of the show, is obviously someone that. That I like and respect. But over the last 20 years, the way sports commentary has changed. There's every one of the trough now. It is a democracy. Everyone's giving their opinions, and everyone has to have an opinion that stands out from the other opinions to climb out in this business. And Zsasz is a rising star. But I believe he's over the line when his analysis of last night's sporting event is to walk in and be like, jimmy Butler's a dick and the warriors are bullshit. And I'm like, okay, that's strong and I understand it. But that's probably not the takeaway from last night's game. For me, I'm more interested in the fact that we are in 2025 in a place where the champs don't have to play if they don't feel like it. And that's bullshit for the paying customer like Steph Curry, we've got only so many more chances to see him in person. And while I embrace load management and taking care of your employees, and I can make all the arguments on behalf of both pace and, yeah, travel must be really hard. That's bullshit. Last night that the warriors just shout for a month, hey, we're gonna take that day off in Miami. And then it's draymond Green out with an illness. Steph Curry, my ankle sore. And he decided it was gonna be sore four days ago. And Jimmy Butler's not playing either. And then leaving after the game without shaking anybody's hand, without six years, that bridge is like, so totally torched that he doesn't have anything to say to anybody. But it's too far. It's a bridge too far for Zaslo to come in and just be, Jimmy Butler's a dick and the warriors are bullshit.
Amin Elhassan
I mean, you and I are on the same page. I was just a hell of a lot more efficient with it. Like, everything you just said is, the warriors are bullshit and Jimmy Butler's a dick.
Mike Ryan
It's a cosign the behavior of a dick. Yeah, we don't take personal attacks. We just call out behavior. But look, the economy is well chronicled. People literally circle that game on their calendars, try to make plans. And this is the plight of the NBA fan right now. You make plans, you spend the money. You want to see the superstars. Steph Curry is an icon to younger generations, and Dan is absolutely right. They come to Miami once a year. We're running out of time to see this player. And Jimmy Butler's return on that court with Steph Curry is something that people would save money to see. And the NBA has a huge problem because the warriors kind of totally punted on the notion of playing this game probably when the schedule came out and fans decided they were going to spend.
Chris Cody
Their money on that.
Amin Elhassan
It's a huge problem, and no one seems to care to fix it. Like, we all talk about the ways that you can fix it, but no one actually wants to do anything to fix it. I do wonder, though, maybe Jeremy can answer this without me getting him in trouble. Do the do the Heat still charge? Like is there and the Heat are not the only team that used to do this. Do they still do the tears package based on depending on what team you're playing, it's a little bit more expensive.
Jeremy
You're talking about sobbing or wailing.
Amin Elhassan
I'm talking about price tiers.
Jeremy
I have no idea.
Amin Elhassan
Because they at least used to do that. And if they do, then the NBA is stealing money from fans.
Dan LeBatard
Let me do this, because I would say there is no one around here who loves basketball more than a mean. He dedicated the entirety of his life to that. As a profession. He cares about movies a great deal. He cares about his family a great deal. But I. He cares about basketball the most. Every time we start ripping his sport, he Gets pretty defensive about it in protection of it, because he really loves it. I mean, you went. You come into town, at least in part because you love the energy and buzz of, I want to go see Steve Kerr and the Champs play the Heat in a building I respect, with an organization I respect. And you get there last night and it's a G league game.
Chris Cody
I kind of knew. I knew, like, they're on a six game road treat trip, right? They've been talking, right? What Cleveland did wrong was their guys played one night and then two days later in the same city, they're like, everyone's out, but this guy can get on a plane and go to Louisville versus Kentucky, right? Meanwhile, the warriors, what they did was we're on a six game road trip, and early on they start talking about, ooh, so and so's under the weather. Ooh, he's dealing with an ankle, he's dealing with a background. So they're setting up the alibi. Yep. And by the way, they don't announce the rosters. I went to Steve Kerr's pregame press availability. He was asked directly, have you guys released what the lineup's going to be tonight? He's like, no, and I'm not comfortable sharing that.
Dan LeBatard
Zaz broke that story. For those of you who do not know, and we're not listening, and if you want to make money around here on the DraftKings network, Zaz basically gave you about six or seven points yesterday in the morning when he reported as a journalist that none of those guys are playing. And I saw that line fly. But it was long after Zaz had. Because the warriors were still protecting that there were lines, as if those guys were all going to play and then none of them played. Draymond Green illness. That's not what is that.
Chris Cody
That is under the weather, Dan.
Amin Elhassan
No, no, no. Draymond Green out in parentheses. Steph Curry not playing. That's what it is like if Steph Curry's not playing, Dream is not gonna play. That's what it was. That's why he was out.
Dan LeBatard
Well, let's. Let's explore this for a second because I know it's been a topic of conversation for a while, but I just so that everyone understands, because I know it's the last flint dying, flaming embers of this, but for 10 years, that traveling roadshow has been the most important thing in the league. Not named LeBron. And over the last 10 years, that guy as a shooter has been the biggest road draw there is in that sport. And if you want to sell out your arena. The traveling circus champions of this important team that has dominated a decade, led by someone who shoots like no one who you've ever seen. And you want to make sure your kids are there so they can see him play. The last two times that team has been in Miami, he has not played. And yesterday they gave the game away and told you 10 days ago with all their comments that they were going to give the game away. So I ask you, Amin, when everyone laments the problem, the paying customer who expects to go see the giant rock band doesn't get a bunch of impersonators then afterward, without feeling somewhat hurt and betrayed and hurting the relationship you have with that league when that happens, because that's just simply a rip off. What. What the Golden State warriors did yesterday. Bullshit in Miami was ripping off the customer.
Mike Ryan
Say it. It was bullshit.
Dan LeBatard
Say it.
Amin Elhassan
Warriors are bullshit.
Dan LeBatard
I will not say the warriors are bullshit. I will not say Jimmy Butler is a dick. I will say that the warriors have exhibited the behavior of Bullshit. And then Jimmy Butler has exhibited the behavior of a dick.
Chris Cody
Six game road trip. It was the last game of the road trip and it was coming off of a back to back against Orlando. It was just. There's no inherent advantage to them sacrificing their bodies for that night.
Amin Elhassan
Why wasn't this an issue back in the day then?
Chris Cody
Nothing.
Amin Elhassan
They used to do four games in five days.
Chris Cody
There's a lot of. I mean, I don't. Do you want. Do you really want the TED Talk?
Dan LeBatard
I don't want to do that whole show again that everyone's been doing about fixing basketball for the last 18 months. But I do want to make it personal because it's right next door. And something else that I want to make personal is this, this telethon donation fest, this charity help that we're trying to do in Miami. Because I will tell you that Dave Lawrence, the former publisher of the Miami Herald, is an epic monument of a charitable man. And the Miami foundation has helped raise over $190 million for more than 1,000 local nonprofits. These are real difference makers in our community. And there are not a lot of people at this tough economic time taking care of a whole lot of folks that can feel helpless and not have the feeling that anyone's caring. So as part of Give Miami Day, we're asking you to go to givemiamiday.org and help with some of the things that we're doing today in partnership with the Perez Family Foundation. We, as a show, will be giving 10 grand to an assortment of charities locally here. And we want to get you involved in the cause. But. But I mean, I want to get. As someone who cares about basketball, you go across the street here. This would normally be over the last 10 years of what you felt down here in Miami around basketball. And you could be the mayor of Miami basketball when you walk into that arena. Because people associate you with talking up this team since it traded for Goran Dragic. You go there yesterday and feel what in your heart about Miami's playing Golden State. And this is nice. Norm Powell. And that's a nice fourth quarter against the Golden State uniforms, but that's not Golden State.
Chris Cody
So from a Golden State perspective, again, I get it. Like, with that eight of their 10 games in November, since November 1st have been on the road, right? They're traveling. They're an undersized team. I was talking about this yesterday with some people, like, look, this is a team that's built for April, May and June, but you got to get to April. And the problem with that is they have a small team, they have an old team, they have the oldest team in the league. So it's like, you got to choose your battles, man. And when you got a schedule like that the way it is, that's just the reality of the NBA. It behooves nobody for them to trot out their guys, and then their guys get hurt for real and are out for extended amounts of time, and they're like, why is everyone getting hurt? You gotta make decisions along the way that makes sense for your organization, even if it may be, quote, unquote, selfish for the greater business good. From the standpoint of the Miami Heat, I think, like, it's concerning to me, not concerning, because I don't think the expectations for this team are high. But the concern is, man, what's it going to take for you guys to take care of business against the teams that you should? Because ultimately, at the end of the season, we're going to be looking at whether you're five, six, or seven based on. Did you blow that game against Cleveland on a Wednesday night when nobody played? Because what's his name, Tomlinson, bust your ass and nobody even never heard of that guy. Did you blow that game Wednesday night against Golden State because you had no answers for Quinton Post in the post? Like, it's. These are the things that separate good teams from teams that do this now, though, because this.
Dan LeBatard
What Zaz is saying is correct when he's saying, why wasn't any of this being talked about? Fifteen years ago, when teams went to the championship and weren't just protecting their play, Pat Riley ran all his men into the ground. He wasn't doing. He wasn't doing any of this.
Chris Cody
So. Okay, so I think we had this conversation earlier this week, but the nature of the injuries that we're talking about, these soft tissue injuries, groin strains, calf strains, hamstring strains, back strains. Right. It has nothing to do with. Oh, my God. They were like physical and they were hit and got. No, it's about mileage and it's about pace. I told you guys this yesterday. 10 years ago, forget about the 90s. 10 years ago, the fastest team in the league was 100.5 possessions a game. And there was only one team doing that. Ten years later with that pace, you were in the bottom 10.
Dan LeBatard
I mean, what you're saying is all these guys are Ferraris now. They're not built to be 300,000 mile cars.
Chris Cody
It's not even that.
Amin Elhassan
Except that don't they take better care of their bodies now than they've ever done in the history of man?
Mike Ryan
I have a question, though. In terms of possible solutions in Major League Baseball, something similar happened, and they just put pitchers on pitch counts. Why is the solution for these NBA teams to sit players out entirely?
Amin Elhassan
That's what I'm saying.
Mike Ryan
Rather than just get deep and rotate more players in.
Amin Elhassan
This is what I'm saying. I mean, why couldn't those guys play the second half last night? Why couldn't Curry, Draymond Green, Jimmy Butler play in the second half last.
Mike Ryan
Yeah, that's right.
Dan LeBatard
That's right.
Amin Elhassan
Why do they have to sit out the whole game? Why can't. I'm being serious. Why can't they play just the second half of last night? And we all know the answer. We all know the answer. No, we do. We know the answer.
Dan LeBatard
I know the answer, but it's different than the answer that you want.
Amin Elhassan
No, no, we know the answer. And we're on the same page here. It's because their averages would be lower. That's right. That's right. Their average takes a hit if they only play a second half. You're right. I'm glad we're on the same page, Dan. And that's why they won't do it. It's because their stats will hurt.
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Dan LeBatard
Don LeBatard doesn't matter anywhere.
Chris Cody
We could do it in Buffalo or Baltimore either. You say you could do it where?
Mike Ryan
Anywhere.
Chris Cody
Oh, whoa.
Dan LeBatard
Oh.
Mike Ryan
That's crazy.
Chris Cody
That's crazy.
Mike Ryan
That's crazy.
Dan LeBatard
He could do it anywhere.
Mike Ryan
That's crazy.
Dan LeBatard
Murder.
Chris Cody
Murder.
Mike Ryan
Tell him, Stugach. I had no idea. Mean had that in his locker. That might be his best. That's crazy. I'm not kidding.
Chris Cody
That's crazy.
Dan LeBatard
Killer.
Chris Cody
It's two America's dead.
Dan LeBatard
You don't get it. This is the Dan Levitar show with the stugats.
Chris Cody
Also, the geography of basketball, right? Whereas again in the 90s, throw the ball to Patrick Ewing. I either have to hard double or I got to stay with my man. If I hard double, Patrick kicks it back out. He's not kicking it back out to 23ft, 9 inches. He's kicking it back out to Charles Oakley, who's 15ft away. That's an easy closeout. The amount of ground basketball players have to cover now is so much more. It's faster, it's further, and it's intense. And that's not even counting again, the immense mileage that they put on their bodies prior to them even shaking the commissioner's hand.
Dan LeBatard
Mamin, it is super interesting the way that you make the nuanced argument against the outrage of the emotion of I pay. I want to see my stars play. The things that you're saying are accurate about everything in terms of wearing these guys down. But there's no solution to this problem if everyone keeps getting more athletic. And all of that athleticism means more pace, and all of that pace means everyone's as disposable as an NFL running back because we're going to run through these bodies faster than we ever did. And LeBron, with a 23 year career, if we just keep spreading the game out, we're going to make that a 12 year career because there are only so many miles you can put on all that tissue.
Mike Ryan
They're basketball players. They spend all their free time playing basketball. I don't think they think it's disposable. I actually think it's the opposite. But too often I want to learn from history here. Too often we put Amin in the position where he has to defend the merits of the game. This has gotten worse as the league has put a focus on trying to solve this problem. That's bad. It's bad enough that it's a problem to begin with, but it's even worse that the league is trying to impose sanctions on teams, levy fines, take away.
Amin Elhassan
Personal 65 game limits, take away awards.
Mike Ryan
And actually hit the players wallets if they decide to do this. And it's still not working and it's getting worse. So what do you say about that and what is an actual solution here?
Chris Cody
So I don't like the 65 game limit. I think it's ridiculous because for the main reason is the voters have shown the ability to discern, hey, that guy didn't play enough games already. Nikola Jokic's first mvp. People are not going to remember this because he's so great now, but when he won his first mvp, it was kind of like, yeah, I mean, he's the only one who actually played and beat, was hurt a lot. And Harden missed some games. That's how he won that first mvp. It was a default decision, and there was no rule that had to force people to say, now, you know, embiId only played 51 games or whatever. People knew, the voters know. So I thought the rule, what it does is actually counterproductive because what happens is now you've got guys who are like, shit, I gotta get back on the floor or else I'm not gonna hit the minimums in order to qualify for these awards. And obviously the money and the incentives that are tied to a lot of these awards makes the incentive for a guy to rush back hurt. And ultimately what we want is players to play. We don't want healthy scratches. But I think we can all agree we don't want a guy getting hurt because he's hobbled out there. Because he. I got. I got to prove everybody actually want to play.
Amin Elhassan
I believe. And there's no way, again, it's. I believe there's no way to prove this. But I feel like now in today's NBA, if a guy is dealing with something and he's at 75%, he doesn't play. When back in the day, it's like, all right, I'm not 100%.
Chris Cody
But, like, I could play, but I guess that's my thing. It's like we've conflated, like, people getting hurt with, like, oh, the guy just doesn't feel like playing.
Dan LeBatard
Yes. And this is where it is that I'd like to put in front of everybody the facts of the problem as Mike tries to advance them. Okay. And Amin tries to give you the context that makes you understand there is a fault line here in this league. Like, this is an enormous crack, like a fracture on what's happening between the customer, the emotion of the customer, the customer care, thinking the player doesn't care when these are the facts. Was d' Antonio coach with the Suns?
Chris Cody
Yeah, he was one of them.
Dan LeBatard
All right. The seven seconds or less Suns would be last in pace today.
Chris Cody
By far.
Mike Ryan
Last.
Dan LeBatard
They'd be last. And Haberstro is saying that NBA stars have already missed 200 games this season due to injury or illness.
Chris Cody
That's.
Dan LeBatard
That's double what it was a year ago at this point. So in the opening month of the season, the star players used to miss one out of every nine or ten games. Now it's one of every three. That's a fracture in your product if you keep trying to correct it. And it's just growing. Like, if you. If the commissioner is throwing everything at this, they've already got their league money. Okay? They've. Their business is fine, but they've got the customer feeling like, what? You can't keep ripping me off this way.
Chris Cody
So there's a couple of things. Number one, I've said this for a while. I think the NBA has a bigger PR problem than they do have a players don't play problem. I think they did. They failed to control narratives, and they failed.
Amin Elhassan
What could they have done different, you think?
Chris Cody
Hold their broadcast partners accountable? Look, I love Chuck and Shaq and all those guys, but every time they got up on tv, oh, that they're.
Amin Elhassan
Fan of the Flames.
Chris Cody
Like, oh, my God, these guys hate, don't play, and they don't care. Whatever. Every time Perk and Stephen A. Smith do that stuff, all they were doing were on company airwaves, right? It's one thing if some blog you.
Amin Elhassan
Don'T want them to be honest then, is what you're saying.
Chris Cody
Do you think the NFL coverage guys are honest? Ask them about cte. You think they're honest? They don't do that. They don't mess up the product. Now, it's one thing if you're like, if Gilbert Arenas does it, man, Gilbert is an Independent product. He takes no money from the league. He has no business sense, or not business sense, but business obligation to it. But when you are a broadcast partner, bro, David Stern wouldn't let that shit happen. Like, you gotta keep these people in line.
Dan LeBatard
He also wouldn't let.
Amin Elhassan
He also wouldn't let players just sit out.
Chris Cody
So the second part of this, Dan, is do you know what water poisoning is? Have you ever heard of water poisoning? No, right? Water poisoning is this thing. There is such a thing as drinking too much water and water poisoning. The symptoms of water poison. Do you guys know what the symptoms of water poisoning?
Jeremy
I've heard of it.
Amin Elhassan
I don't know so much water.
Chris Cody
The symptoms of water poisoning are almost. Are almost exactly identical to dehydration. So this happens to a lot of marathon runners. They're like, I got to hydrate, I got to hydrate, I got to hydrate. So they drink and they drink and they drink and they actually drink so much they get water poisoning. But they feel like, oh my God, I'm dehydrated. I feel dizzy, I feel. So then they drink more. And I think sometimes some of these rules that people are trying to do, like we're going to do this to get them to play, you're actually exacerbating the problem rather than solving it.
Dan LeBatard
The problem doesn't have any kind of fix the way that we're framing it. And I will again tell you as part of what we're doing all day today, it may feel to you like because of the economy of things and inflation and the world run amok, that there is no help out there for you financially and there is no one who cares. That is not the case today in Miami. It is Give Miami Day and Tony is out at Lone Depot park as are. Well, I'm not going to say a lot of people based on that shot, but there are people there gathering in the name of giving. Tony, what can you tell us is going out, going on out there?
Tony
Hey, Dano, great to hear from you. Today is Give Miami Day, Dan. And yes, as I'm. As I'm, you know, standing here in front of the second base, where would second base would be right there. The event has. Hasn't started yet, so people are still filtering in. In about an hour this place is going to be absolutely jam packed. There's like a line down Bobby Maduro way like of like 6, 000 people. So there's going to be a ton of people here later on when we check in. But give Miami super cool, Dan It's a opportunity for Miami to love itself, to give to over 1400 non profits. There's going to be millions and millions and millions and tens and maybe twenties and fifties of million dollars being raised for nonprofits all across the city doing all sorts of important work.
Chris Cody
The.
Tony
Whatever you can think of a nonprofit, they probably have one and you could donate to it.
Dan LeBatard
Not 50s yet. We'll be here hanging out. Not yet 50s. Last year, nearly 40 million for over from over 50,000 donors. And we're looking to top that today. Give Miamiday.org is where you go. I know our listeners are always very strong here. Sorry to interrupt you. I just did. I want your facts right. Nobody's been giving 50s of millions of dollars.
Tony
Well, hopefully this year's we break the 50 mark is what I was forecasting there, Dan, for people like an analyst, you know, I'm forecasting what's going on.
Jeremy
For people just listening. Tony is standing on the field where I used to think Cecil Fielder was. Remember I said. I admitted before that I used to think Cecil Fielder was a position.
Tony
What the Cecil Fielder.
Jeremy
And Tony is standing where I thought the Cecil Fielder would go.
Dan LeBatard
Yes.
Jeremy
That is a floating area, shallow center.
Dan LeBatard
That's awesome, Tony. I know. I feel this every single time I'm on an NBA court. It happens to me every time where I'm like, holy shit, this is a lot bigger than it looks on television where you're presently standing. You are impressed by the size of the infield, are you not?
Tony
Yeah, the infield's definitely big. When you get down to like the field level, what. What looks bigger is obviously like everything in the background. When you look at the field, you're like, okay, third base is 90ft away. I see it there, but I'm kind of like in the hole almost here between 2nd and it's. It's.
Jeremy
It's a fielder.
Tony
It's big.
Chris Cody
I'm not gonna lie to you.
Mike Ryan
It's big.
Dan LeBatard
What else.
Tony
What else do we need right now?
Dan LeBatard
Like, go ahead. I'm sorry, my bad.
Tony
No, things are happening here, Daniel. My bad, my bad. So I'm thinking of sitting here at second base getting ready to. Can you guys see me?
Dan LeBatard
I can see you taking a lead poorly. Yes, yes. I can see you're twerking there. Yeah, you're taking a lead. But it's good work.
Jeremy
Baseball fields.
Tony
I had to get back.
Jeremy
Baseball teams take their field so serious. Like, why can't, like, the game? There's not a game till April there. We can't step on the dirt.
Amin Elhassan
So what you, you think they should allow like weeds to grow having it roped off?
Dan LeBatard
You gotta look major league. Your field has to look year round like it's manicured in major league till April. You can't have browning in the grass.
Tony
Oh, I'd say water it, But Chris is 100, right?
Dan LeBatard
Guys, we didn't frame Tony appearance with enough noise and celebration and color here.
Amin Elhassan
Give Miami Day.org yes, give Miami Day.org.
Dan LeBatard
Tony we will check in with you later for your top five. Thank you. I will say that the Perez family Foundation, in honor of my brother is giving $10,000 to an assortment of Miami charities including NABJ, South Florida Comic Kids Inc. Young Art Aid, a number of different art related charities here in South Florida. The website is givemiamiday.org what does Zyn give you?
Jeremy
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Dan LeBatard
The Lebatard.
Mike Ryan
It's not my favorite rejoin.
Tony
Context needs to be applied.
Mike Ryan
Going for a joke and thought that context was applied.
Tony
We.
Mike Ryan
We'd like to rip that out of context. I was going for a thing and you're gonna have a family.
Dan LeBatard
You're gonna pretend here that you don't love Matthew Tkachuk more than you love anybody you've ever loved.
Mike Ryan
I. I don't love Matthew Tkachuk more than my daughter. Stugats Now. It's pretty damn close.
Dan LeBatard
This is the Dan Levatar show with the st.
Amin Elhassan
I know, I know you're brushing me aside with the second half thing, but why, like, why can Lionel Messi enter an inter Miami game and play in the second half? And NBA players can't do that.
Dan LeBatard
I am mocking you for the take on just have them play second half because you know too much about sports and the way these athletes train and take care of their bodies to treat them as a gas bag. Who just thinks you can get out there three minutes before tip off with a bag of chips. And you don't have to have to prepare your body for two hours before the game in order to play the entirety of the game or half of the game. The ask or the request of whatever is rest and healing on that day gets ruined. If you have to test your body for 20 minutes or 40 minutes. It's not a rest day. You're running through the body.
Mike Ryan
The impact is different and the league has shown. Hey, if we make shots at the end of halves and quarters not count. We've incentivized these players to take them and the players are taking it.
Amin Elhassan
You've noticed everybody loves chucking the ball now at the end of the quarter.
Mike Ryan
So get rid of points per game as a metric and make it points per 48. This is a new league universal standard. We are doing things to combat this issue, which is grave. It is a huge problem. We've tried everything. It's not working. So we are going to change the metrics entirely. Points per game is a thing of the past.
Chris Cody
You're providing a solution to a problem that Zaz has decided that's the problem. The problem is their averages. That's not the problem. Dan actually told you what it was like. If you play half A game that still you played, Right? Like the act of getting ready to play an NBA game. I went there last night, I'm watching DE Anthony Melton warm up and Steph Curry comes out and everyone loses their mind because everyone's like, oh, we're going to see the step. Do the dribble thing. And then the thing where he shoots from the tunnel and he didn't. He just like shook hands and kissed babies and took photos of fans and stuff like that. And then he went back inside because that's the definition of rest. If he has to go out there and break a sweat and do all that stuff and then, you know, take it a step further and play a half of basketball, whether it's the first half or second half, you've completely ruined what was supposed to be a rest and recovery day for someone who's alien.
Mike Ryan
But I mean, you've been around these players like the only time they are not playing the game is when the games are playing and they decide to rest. Then they spend all their time perfecting their craft by playing. It's not football, it's not hockey.
Chris Cody
But you're. Again, you're saying it's not football, it's not hockey, because you're thinking about where are you guys doing good concussions or not. Like, again, look at all the major injuries. Read that habit show list the number Giannis and Wembanyama and people that you guys all can recognize. These are guys that like him. These are all injuries that are non contact injuries. These are all soft tissue injuries.
Dan LeBatard
Guys. This part is really interesting. When the business and the most valuable assets are being stressed to the point of breaking stressed, and when I say stressed by the broadcasters yelling about this, by the pressures to play, by the economic pressures of their life position and by the disrespect. Even Zaslow 20 years in this market shows when there's the feel or assumption that these guys eight hours a day aren't finely tuning their bodies, trying to make sure that none of them break. Like that's what they're doing for eight hours every day, twice a day in the weight room. Drills meant to be non contact. They don't go full intensity in practice, but everything around the practice, they never practice, but everything around the practice is meant to keep these machines from not breaking. It's not even during the season anymore that much about how much better can we make you? That's training camp and an assortment of other things by the time the season arrives is how do we get our most valuable pieces to not break in the post.
Mike Ryan
Then why are they breaking more?
Dan LeBatard
I don't know. Main is explaining to you, wow, we're putting a stress on the bodies here. Guard more, guard farther, go faster. And the bodies are breaking like that sounds like a pretty good explanation. Nobody wants to hear it. Nobody wants to hear it because they're like, like, what do you mean? Charles Oakley ran up and down. It's like, not like that. Not being asked to take threes and not running twice as much.
Amin Elhassan
Why is it only an NBA player thing? Like, why. Why doesn't the hockey player need a night off?
Chris Cody
Have hockey. Has hockey changed in terms of. I don't know, I'm not.
Amin Elhassan
Gotta be more physical. Has to be.
Chris Cody
You keep saying physical. And that's the. And that's the. That's the problem where this conversation really is not going to advance because you guys keep thinking about like, someone hit me. And that's not what's happening.
Mike Ryan
Okay, so compare it to soccer as Zaz did. Sports are similar in terms of strain that it puts on your body.
Amin Elhassan
Messi's old, but instead of not playing, he'll go out there in the second half so the road crowd can stay there.
Mike Ryan
I know you checked out on Inter Miami, but there was a big controversy in that league with Messi playing international duty but not playing for his club.
Chris Cody
He missed games.
Mike Ryan
He missed games. And for Messi in particular, that is a huge thing because he's bigger than the sport of mls.
Amin Elhassan
But there are plenty of games where the soccer player checks in for just the second half because they don't want him playing the entire game because of load.
Chris Cody
So let me try to answer Zaz's question. Zaz has the long ball and particularly stopping the long ball increased in soccer, like instead of solid play?
Mike Ryan
Yeah, I mean, they're playing from the back a lot more. Right.
Chris Cody
But I'm just talking about like, hey, we've got to defend up more, I think.
Mike Ryan
No, in terms of cardio, people are high pressing. You mean the high press? Yes, yes, because people are playing out at the back more because the long goal kick, the analytics said that's a dumb play. Why give up possession? Play out the back. So you have what the Germans call the gegen press where they go up and it's more cardio for the forwards. They have to be more defensive minded in the midfield.
Chris Cody
But it's still straightaway running. It's not like, again, the dimensions of a basketball court where I'm standing like one foot in the paint and then my man is over Here, I've got to run to the top, and then my guy that I helped over here, he's got to sprint out.
Amin Elhassan
No, that doesn't happen.
Chris Cody
And close, and close. And then stop short because you can't just keep running through them.
Mike Ryan
It's all relative. The playing surface is bigger. There's 11 players, so you shrink it down to five with a smaller course.
Jeremy
We're in the weeds.
Chris Cody
This is where everyone wants to be. Or we're just gonna say ignorant things.
Dan LeBatard
Okay, like, which do we want?
Chris Cody
Do I have the ignorant show? I can do the ignorant show. Soccer players are soft.
Dan LeBatard
They flop all the time.
Chris Cody
Like, we do that.
Mike Ryan
I'm sorry, we put them in a corner. I didn't want to put you in a corner.
Chris Cody
I'm saying, like, I'm trying to balance. Are we trying to have, like, a smart conversation? We're trying to do show. I'll do show.
Mike Ryan
So how would you get players to play more? Give me, like, just two solutions. How do we get the stars to play more?
Chris Cody
Well, first of all, we got the. Again, you're saying the problem is they need to play more. I said my problem is how do we get them not to get hurt?
Dan LeBatard
Okay, okay, so I've got the problem. More.
Mike Ryan
More consistently. The stars to play more consistently, not more. Do you make it fewer games?
Jeremy
How do we.
Dan LeBatard
How do we avoid.
Mike Ryan
How do we avoid families saving money to spend on tickets and not be able to see the stars that they're trying?
Dan LeBatard
Here is the problem. As Chris Cody is saying, we're in the weeds on this is catastrophic for this business. Because what Amin is shouting here at everybody. You guys want to just complain about the problem or you want to hear what the problem is? The problem is 7 foot 7 is not meant to play that way. That bang, those feet, those knees, those ankles, those are big bodies. Rudy Gobert's body and feet are going to be messed up. You can't make him run around that much. You've got a structural problem at the core of your business because you're stretching the athlete physically, mentally, emotionally, through travel beyond the extremes of the human body's limits. Like, you're breaking your player, you're breaking your products by what you're asking them to do. And the answer is play fewer games. And the answer is from the league. Bleep you. We need the TV money.
Chris Cody
We need all the money. We need the gate. We need. And by the way, the money goes across everybody. It's not just the league saying it. Players. They went to the players. Okay? So I got all 30 owners. They've agreed to take less. We're going to give money back to NBC, espn, all these guys because we're going to go down to a 72 game season. We're going to get rid of back to backs and all that. But also you guys need to take a pay cut as well. Players are going to be like bleep you too. Or the coaches bleep you. Everyone who is eating at the trunk to use Dan's.
Amin Elhassan
So the only people get screwed are the fans. That's it.
Dan LeBatard
That's correct. And it's going to keep happening with streaming dollars and everything else. Yes. Get used to and more people are going to be charging you. Jeremy, give me some hard data here because what Amin is doing.
Mike Ryan
Don't forget to circle back on Amin solutions, please. Because it was BLEEP you. There are no solutions.
Jeremy
Data better be hard. The average speed of the top 10 players per game in 2013 and 14, it was between 4.67 and 4.8 miles per hour. But now this season, that top 10 has moved up to 4.99 and 5.6 miles per hour. So the top player in 2013, 14, wouldn't even be in the top 25 in sprint speed this year. If you look at it, players are running about 9% more distance per minute on the court than they did decade ago. Tyrese Maxey is running just under 3 miles per game when he's playing on the floor and Vijay Edgecombe of the Sixers is just underneath him. So they're like running those guys into the ground.
Chris Cody
And to put that in perspective, again, Jeremy's comparing numbers from 10 years ago. You know what 10 years ago was Steph Curry hitting the half court shot against Oklahoma City. Oh, the Cavs come back from a 31 deficit to win the fight. That's not like Michael Jordan was playing against Plumbers. That's guys that are playing in the league right now were playing 10 years ago. Like it's changing. Guys, you guys are not accepting that things are changing. The style of play is changing and the demands on the player bodies are changing. And as a result, we're getting more injuries. And so what teams are trying to do is like, how do I make sure I don't kill my best player? Because as sad as everyone is that Steph Curry didn't play last night, how much sadder would they be when they said Steph Curry's not gonna play the rest of the goddamn year?
Dan LeBatard
They ran Tibbs out of the sport, man, because you gotta keep up with how the sport changes and it's all changing. So to Mike's question, because I don't know, how do you save poverty, how do you save helplessness? How do you save a league where they've got a structural problem that simply can't be fixed? There's not a solution to. If you're going to keep being greedy, if you're going to keep needing the same amount of money, and if you're keep going to keep competing in a way that's going to keep stretching everybody's limits, Chad Holmgren is going to break down even though he's the young1 and OKC doesn't have this problem. But they're taking those fourth quarters off to Zaz's point because they're getting up by 30 point. They're going to take over a different part of the league healthy because they're younger and they don't have the mileage on their bodies that the Golden State warriors have when they're coming to Miami and they're like, we need rest. We need to get some sunshine.
Amin Elhassan
I totally hear everything you're saying. I'm still team warriors of Bullshit 11.
Dan LeBatard
In front of the hour returning on Mad Dog Unleashed.
Mike Ryan
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Podcast: The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Episode: Local Hour: The Peanut Gallery (feat. Tony Calatayud)
Date: November 20, 2025
Broadcasting from the Elser Hotel in Downtown Miami, this “Local Hour” delivers signature Le Batard banter with Stugotz, Mike Ryan, Chris Cody, Amin Elhassan, Jeremy, and Tony Calatayud. The episode centers on personal accountability (sparked by Dan’s “peanut shell scandal”), then deep-dives into the evolving crisis of NBA load management and fan disillusionment with missing superstars, all within the context of South Florida’s local sports scene and community charity efforts.
"I have felt embarrassed any number of times doing this show over 21 years. I've never started it feeling this kind of ashamed." — Dan LeBatard (02:41)
"The peanuts bring a childhood memory to me that has nothing to do...with the taste of the peanuts and everything to do with the freedom of, oh, wait, I can just throw these things on the floor in a ballpark." — Dan LeBatard (05:03)
"Is basketball a winter sport, yes or no? Because I don't consider it one...I consider the winter sports to have ice around them, cold around them." — Dan LeBatard (06:29)
"You make plans, you spend the money. You want to see the superstars. Steph Curry is an icon to younger generations...The NBA has a huge problem because the warriors kind of totally punted on the notion of playing this game." — Mike Ryan (08:39)
"It's a opportunity for Miami to love itself, to give to over 1400 non profits...millions and millions and millions and tens and maybe twenties and fifties of million dollars being raised for nonprofits all across the city." — Tony Calatayud (30:06)
"I've never started [the show] feeling this kind of ashamed..." – Dan (02:41)
"The peanuts bring a childhood memory to me that has nothing to do...with the taste of the peanuts and everything to do with the freedom of, oh, wait, I can just throw these things on the floor in a ballpark." – Dan (05:03)
"If the answer is play fewer games. And the answer is from the league. Bleep you. We need the TV money." – Dan (44:25)
"Players are running about 9% more distance per minute on the court than they did a decade ago." – Jeremy (45:11)
"So the only people get screwed are the fans. That’s it." – Amin (44:52)
"You've got a structural problem at the core of your business because you're stretching the athlete...beyond the extremes of the human body's limits." – Dan (43:31)
"It's a opportunity for Miami to love itself, to give to over 1400 non profits...millions and millions and millions and tens and maybe twenties and fifties of million dollars being raised..." – Tony (30:06)
"We don't want healthy scratches. But... we don't want a guy getting hurt because he's hobbled out there." – Chris Cody (24:42)
"I'm saying, like, I'm trying to balance. Are we trying to have a smart conversation? We're trying to do show. I'll do show." – Chris Cody (43:01)
In classic Le Batard style, this Local Hour journeys from the über-local and embarrassingly personal (Dan's peanut shell shame) to the league-wide: empathetically breaking down the NBA’s ongoing crisis of missing superstars, shifting athletic demands, and unsolvable structural tensions between players, owners, and fans. Interspersed with community support for Miami’s charity juggernaut and show running gags, the episode ultimately offers real local flavor—and a dose of collective sports existentialism, flavored with cracked peanut shells.
For more, visit: GiveMiamiDay.org
Poll Question: "Is basketball a winter sport, yes or no?" — (06:29)
Signature takeaways: The game is changing, and fans—economically and emotionally—are stuck in the middle.