Local Hour: The Wemby Stopper

Summary

The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz

Episode: Local Hour: The Wemby Stopper
Date: November 18, 2025
Recording Location: Elser Hotel, Downtown Miami

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Episode Overview

In this lively Local Hour, Dan Le Batard, Stugotz, and the crew blend their trademark banter with sports analysis, focusing on the latest South Florida sports happenings, playful debates, and plenty of off-the-rails moments. This episode delves into Miami Heat updates (including a deep dive on Khalil Ware’s emerging talent), the Florida Panthers’ playoff hopes amid major injuries, and a riotous discussion about the problem of stopping NBA unicorn Victor Wembanyama. The crew also riffs on pop culture (Ben Stiller), Heat history, and the peculiar details of human anatomy, all with their signature blend of irreverence and insight.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Fun With Facts: Human Anatomy Goes Off the Rails

[01:13–04:20]

• Amin Elhassan shares a fact from his “Three Facts Jack” segment: “The human skin weighs about 20 pounds. If you were skinned alive, the shed skin would be the equivalent of two bowling balls” (01:19).
  • The group debates if this can possibly be true and whether skin is really the body’s largest organ (by surface area/weight).
  • Stugotz: “I don’t think of skin as an organ. I thought the large intestine could unspool around the Earth.” (03:00)
  • This veers into confusion and skepticism, with a Poll idea: “Did you know your skin weighs roughly 20 pounds?”
  • Notable Quote:
    • Amin: “People don’t think of skin as the organ. The biggest organ on the human body is the skin.” (02:18)
• Interlude into intestines and a callback to old playground jokes: “Your epidermis is showing.” (03:16)

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2. Local Sports Rundown: Miami Heat, Panthers, and Injury Indoor

Florida Panthers’ Injury Woes and Barkov Debate

[05:31–17:13]

• The crew discusses the Panthers’ impressive 8-goal night and persistent injury struggles.
  • Zaz: “No Barkov, no Kachuk...Carter Verhaeghe has been a ghost so far this season.” (08:39)
  • There’s cautious optimism that missing stars (like Alexander Barkov) might return before the playoffs.
  • Debate erupts over Barkov’s recovery speed after ACL/MCL surgery—miracle of modern science or something fishy?
  • Roy: “He’s rehabbing without crutches.” (09:37)
  • Stugotz: “I’m willing to make a prognosis that hockey players, being totally insane, [will] get back as fast as [they] can.” (11:30)
  • Greg Cody introduces skepticism about unusually fast rehabs and jokes at possible “miracle of modern science, wink, wink.” (11:57)
• They wade into “reckless speculation” about sports medicine, steroids, and the true status of the Panthers’ stars.
  • Memorable Moment:
    • Stugotz leans into show self-awareness:
      • “Time to throw away journalistic credibility and get reckless.” (12:16)

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3. Ben Stiller vs. Udonis Haslem: Knicks Fandom & Social Media Trolling

[20:44–25:08]

• The show breaks down the ongoing social media spat between Ben Stiller (as rabid Knicks fan) and Udonis Haslem, who playfully calls out Stiller after the Heat beat the Knicks.
  • Zaz: “Balls on that Ben Stiller. Watch your mouth.” (21:22)
  • Jeremy: “You know about that jizz?” (22:27) — referencing the infamous scene in There’s Something About Mary and triggering group chaos.
  • Amin: “Jesus. Oh, yeah.” (22:29)
• They riff on Ben Stiller’s best comedy moments, why Udonis picked a particular ‘Along Came Polly’ image for his troll, and rank the most visible celebrity Knicks fans, settling on Spike Lee and Stiller.

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4. Khalil Ware, Wembanyama, and NBA Evolution: The Main Event

[26:04–44:12]

Evaluating Khalil Ware’s Potential

• The crew analyzes the Heat’s young big man, Khalil Ware, after he impressively slowed Karl-Anthony Towns late in the game.
  • Stugotz: “Karl Anthony Towns was having trouble getting his shot off at the end of the game…Khalil Ware made it problematic.” (26:04)
  • The Heat podcast team notes that Ware is unusually nimble for his size and is just scratching the surface of his capabilities.

The “Wemby Stopper” Debate

• Greg Cody: “He has all the physical tools...to be a Wembanyama stopper.” (29:02)
  • The group oscillates between skepticism—no one can stop Victor Wembanyama—and cautious optimism for Ware’s growth.
    • Stugotz: “[Draymond Green] looks like a toddler guarding Wembanyama…There is no such thing as physical tools that can stop Wembanyama.” (29:39)
  • They watch video breakdowns of Draymond Green getting overpowered by Wemby, marveling at the unique challenges players like Ware, Towns, and Wemby present.

Hitting Ceilings and Heat’s Talent-Development Machine

• Stugotz pushes for statistical comps: Is Ware the next Rudy Gobert “with a shot,” the next JaVale McGee, or something new?
  • Greg Cody: “I invoke the spirit of Hassan Whiteside.” (37:53)
  • Dan: “I just think of an assortment of ridiculous plays...I associate JaVale McGee with wasted talent.” (38:23)
  • They compare the Heat’s culture for unlocking potential—diamonds in the rough like Ike Austin, Voshon Lenard, and more.
  • Notable Quote:
    • “This season is a really interesting case study for the Heat, and so is this player individually...Now you have guys with higher ceilings, talented players, and [the question is] can you unlock the best of them?” (42:44)

Celebrity Knicks Fans & Gimmick Debates

• Who’s the most “Internet loud” Knicks fan? Ben Stiller vs. Tracy Morgan, Timothée Chalamet gets name-checked.
• Tracy Morgan’s willingness to puke at a game “for the Knicks” is offered as evidence of fandom.

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5. Heat Culture, NBA Old School, and Analogies

[43:39–46:11]

• The crew looks through the Heat’s legacy for player reclamation, joking about past trades (Tim Hardaway, Kevin Willis) and the quirks of NBA body types (T-Rex arms, alligator arms).
  • Stugotz: “Alligator arms are arms that get short when you’re scared going over the middle…T. Rex arms are just your hands attached to your nipples.” (46:11)

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Notable Quotes & Moments (with Timestamps)

• Amin Elhassan: “If you were skinned alive, the physicality of your shed skin would be the equivalent of two bowling balls.” (01:19)
• Stugotz: “I don’t think of skin as an organ.” (03:00)
• Zaz: “No Barkov, no Kachuk…They’re missing a defenseman in Kulikov as well…you can’t wait for Barkov. Who knows if he’s going to be available?” (08:39)
• Greg Cody: “A miracle of modern science, wink, wink, if you catch my drift.” (11:57)
  • Followed by group chaos around “reckless speculation.” (12:16)
• Zaz: “Balls on that Ben Stiller. Watch your mouth.” (21:22)
• Greg Cody & Amin Elhassan: “He has all the physical tools…to be a Wembanyama stopper.” (29:02)
• Stugotz: “There is no such thing as physical tools that can stop Wembanyama.” (29:39)
• Stugotz: “When you compare his ceiling to JaVale McGee, you’ve insulted ceilings.” (39:49)
• Dan Le Batard (on Heat reclamation): “It’s a story I tell every time we talk about the Heat. They have decades of proof that we get guys, get diamonds in the rough, and polish them up.” (42:11)
• Stugotz (on basketball body types): “Alligator arms are scared arms. T-Rex arms are just your hands attached to your nipples.” (46:11)

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Important Segment Timestamps

| Topic/Segment | Start Time | |-------------------------------------------------------|-------------| | Human skin weight banter and anatomy facts | 01:13 | | Panthers injury updates & Barkov miracle rehab debate | 05:31 | | Ben Stiller vs. Udonis Haslem Knicks fandom | 20:44 | | Khalil Ware's performance & “Wemby Stopper” debate | 26:04 | | Heat culture & player reclamation history | 42:11 |

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Tone & Takeaway

True to form, the episode weaves between hilarious asides, heated debates, and earnest sports analysis. The playful skepticism, ridiculous poll ideas, and pop culture drops mesh with deep basketball lore. The “Wemby Stopper” question is both tongue-in-cheek (nobody can really stop Victor Wembanyama) and a real nod to Heat optimism about raw young talent like Ware. Off-the-cuff moments, callbacks to Heat heritage, and the crew’s mix of expertise and absurdity make this Local Hour a showcase of what makes the show beloved by its fans.

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If you’re a Miami sports fan, a Heat hopeful, or just want to enjoy expert basketball breakdowns spiked with belly laughs and pop-culture tangents, this episode is a perfect sampling of the Le Batard Show’s unique flavor.

Transcript

[Dan LeBatard]

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[Stugats]

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[Dan LeBatard]

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[Stugats]

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[Stugats]

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[Roy]

Proximo.

[Dan LeBatard]

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[Stugats]

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[Greg Cody]

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[Stugats]

Shadow Show.

[Amin Elhassan]

Shadow Show.

[Stugats]

Shadow Show.

[Amin Elhassan]

Shadow Show.

[Stugats]

Shadow Show.

[Amin Elhassan]

Shadow Show.

[Stugats]

Shadow Show.

[Amin Elhassan]

Shadowing it.

[Stugats]

Why did you walk in here today asking how much skin? Ways.

[Amin Elhassan]

It's an interesting fact that I reveal on the Greg Cody show podcast with Greg Cody. I have a three facts, Jack, that I do every week, and one of the I only do things that surprised me that I didn't know that I think people would be interested in. And it's a matter of fact that the human skin weighs about 20 pounds. In other words, if you were skinned alive, the. The physicality of your shed skin would be the equivalent of two bowling balls. It's an incredible total. I always think of skin as. As almost featherweight.

[Greg Cody]

Greg, you mean to tell me if Dan were skinned alive, it would be.

[Amin Elhassan]

A little more than 20?

[Stugats]

Okay, wait a minute.

[Amin Elhassan]

I mean, nothing is exact. You know, a thin person might be 18, Dan might be 26.

[Stugats]

You think my skin weighs more than your skin?

[Jeremy]

Isn't it the fat surrounding the skin, like the skin would all weigh the same.

[Greg Cody]

No.

[Jeremy]

Yeah, but fat person's skin and a skinny person, right?

[Zaz]

It just depends on how tall or short you are.

[Greg Cody]

How much skin you got.

[Amin Elhassan]

Well, you know, I've never cannibalized anyone. I'm not about the details. But what I'll tell you is, roughly speaking, the. The people don't think of skin as the organ. The biggest organ on the human body is the skin. And it weighs 20 pounds.

[Stugats]

I don't think that's accurate.

[Guest/Caller]

Can't be.

[Stugats]

I don't think the biggest organ is skin.

[Amin Elhassan]

Yes, it is.

[Roy]

Absolutely.

[Amin Elhassan]

Is biggest by weight?

[Greg Cody]

No, it's by surface area. Oh, by surface area.

[Amin Elhassan]

Certainly by surface area.

[Greg Cody]

Now, by weight, I. I would guess, My guess would be it have to be a percentage of your body weight. I would say, I don't know, 20%, 15% of your body weight is skin. Because obviously the bigger you are, the more skin you got.

[Zaz]

Some of us have a bigger organ.

[Stugats]

I don't think of skin as an organ. And I thought the large intestine, like, could unspool around the earth or something. I thought the large intestine was something that stretched much longer than people would imagine. It stretches.

[Amin Elhassan]

It does.

[Jeremy]

When I was growing up, one of the jokes kids would do is, is like, oh, hey, Greg, your epidermis is showing. It's just the term for your skin. It just means your skin is showing. But it sounds naughty.

[Amin Elhassan]

It does.

[Jeremy]

So when someone says that to me, I'm like, oh, no, you clutch yourself.

[Stugats]

Why were you thinking of this, Greg? Like, how did it come up? If one were skinned alive, their skin would weigh 20 pounds on the scale.

[Amin Elhassan]

I research with great diligence. My three facts Jack segment guaranteed.

[Jeremy]

He's just scrolling down like 50 interesting facts.

[Amin Elhassan]

No, no, I looked, I research, I look them up.

[Stugats]

But how did it come up? Like, how. How did you arrive at. If you were skinned alive and placed the skin on a scale, it would weigh 20 pounds. Put it on the Poll Juju at Lebatard show. Did you know your skin weighs roughly 20 pounds?

[Amin Elhassan]

Yeah. The origin of. Of the three fact shack. It's proprietary information, but let's just say that I, you know, it came from great diligence and research.

[Greg Cody]

It's the small intestine, by the way. That's the long one.

[Jeremy]

Exactly.

[Stugats]

Right?

[Amin Elhassan]

Yeah, exactly. Okay, I was thinking that, but I didn't want to correct.

[Greg Cody]

How. How gracious.

[Stugats]

How long is it? How long is the small intestine?

[Greg Cody]

Depends on what you're working with.

[Stugats]

Dan is a substantial. This is the Dan Levatar show with the Stugats podcast. Greg Cody is wearing his finest terry cloth shirt to celebrate a fun regular season Monday night in South Florida. Sports. Always fun when the Heat beat the Knicks. I think the interesting story from that game is what is Khalil Ware going to become? Right, because freakishly athletic. It's still strange to me to see someone that size be able to move that way. It's still not a normal thing for Me, I know it's normal throughout the league and it's human evolution, but still weird to see that three of the four All Stars didn't play for both teams. So it's not representative of anything except that you can't trust Karl Anthony Towns when he's the best player on the court because he needs to be better than he will was at the beginning of the game. So we'll talk about Heat Nicks in a second. But first, the Panthers scored eight goals last night. Now I saw one game this season at Anaheim. Anaheim's pretty good this year. They're offensively very good. And when I was in Los Angeles, I was watching the game against Anaheim and I legitimately got fooled by the amount of scoring Anaheim was doing in the third period because I thought I asked my friend on two of the goals, is that a replay from the last goal? Like did they just score again? And they just kept scoring and in the third period, a period that the Panthers owned the last two years and owned again last night.

[Zaz]

Wait, were you there and you thought you were watching a replay?

[Stugats]

No, I was watching on television.

[Jeremy]

That would be funny.

[Stugats]

I was not in Anaheim. I was in Los Angeles. Yeah, I was in Los Angeles watching on television because I wouldn't normally be watching the Anaheim Panthers game that late at night. I'm not a West coast hockey guy after 11pm I just think it'd be.

[Zaz]

Strange if like you're at a game and then something tell you like am I watching a replay?

[Stugats]

That would be strange. Now you watch all, all of the Panthers games. Do you also watch the west coast games though? You stay up until midnight and one o' clock in the morning when they're west coast travel.

[Zaz]

Excellent question, Dan. For the rest of my life, yes, I had always stayed up for the west coast games. I'm starting to feel my age now.

[Greg Cody]

Uh oh.

[Zaz]

I'm having a very hard time staying. Like last week, the Heat and Panthers were both on the west coast at the same time. I faded for all the games. I couldn't do it again. A little bit old.

[Stugats]

That was a fun one last night. They score eight times. They annihilated Vancouver which took a two to nothing lead in, in the game. And all they need to do is just get the season to bark off and kachuk in a in a place that's not in disrepair. They don't even need to be among the top eight teams. They just need to be where they've been my entire existence as a Panther fan before they started winning, which is Five or six points out of the final playoff sp. So, Roy, your thoughts so far? Another thousand point guy for the Panthers. I can't believe what's happening with the Panthers. None of this is still normal to me. To see them have the historic players to, to see them have the celebratory nights where they get to go and interview the family because someone else is arriving at a thousand points because their. Their team is so deep. But both the local teams, the. The Heat and the Panthers are really deep. The Heat are doing what they're presently doing, just staying above.500, waiting for their all Stars to get back with their bench. That's. They're doing that with their depth and the Panthers are doing the same thing. So, Roy, where are you on what the Panthers have done so far this season? Because they look pretty mediocre, but that's fine. You're fine with them looking mediocre. They need to not be bad.

[Roy]

Well, they look mediocre because there are about six players who are injured right now, and that's what tends to happen.

[Stugats]

Including their two best ones.

[Roy]

Yes, exactly. But Brad Marshan has registered a point in all but two games this season, so he's keeping them afloat.

[Zaz]

I mean, no Barkov, no Kachuk. They're missing a defenseman in Kulakov as well. They're missing their fourth line center. And Carter Vahage has been a ghost so far this season. Like, you can't wait for Barkov. Who knows if he's going to be available at some point. Although there was video footage last week. He was like, working out at a public park.

[Jeremy]

Brace.

[Zaz]

He had no brace on.

[Amin Elhassan]

Come on.

[Zaz]

That made me feel good, Greg.

[Amin Elhassan]

Yeah, but let's not. Let's not be doctors here and claim a miracle. Barkov is out for the season. I would be shocked if he came back early.

[Stugats]

I don't think that you can say that given that this early he's able to have weight bearing on what was a bad injury. I don't think you can say he's out for the season. In fact, the talk around the team. Roy, you're around it more, but the talk around the team is they have the quiet expectation that he's going to get back before the playoffs. Correct?

[Roy]

Absolutely. Like he's rehabping without crutches.

[Zaz]

Markov told Eric Spoelstra five months.

[Roy]

Yeah, that's what he's aiming for right now.

[Amin Elhassan]

How long has it been? How many months?

[Zaz]

It's. It's been a month and a half.

[Dan LeBatard]

Training camp.

[Amin Elhassan]

So three and a Half months would be what point in the season?

[Zaz]

March.

[Amin Elhassan]

Okay. So if you don't need him desperately, are you going to take that chance bringing him back early?

[Zaz]

Well, desperately means what, like they need him to win a Stanley cup, so.

[Amin Elhassan]

Yeah. Well, okay. All right. I have different expectations about that.

[Stugats]

Well, so you say don't be doctors, but you're willing to say that your prognosis is more accurate than Barkov's.

[Amin Elhassan]

My prognosis is based on what the doctors have said. Thus far, I haven't heard anybody connected with the Panthers go on the record saying Barkov will be back.

[Stugats]

Oh, but they won't do that. There's no circumstance under which they would do something like that.

[Zaz]

They would rather under promise over deliver right spots.

[Amin Elhassan]

Okay. All right. I mean, you guys may prove right. I'm just saying, if I were a Panther fan, I would not expect Barkov.

[Stugats]

Okay.

[Amin Elhassan]

Soon.

[Stugats]

So you don't. I understand that you don't want us to be doctors, but when a month and a half into rehab, you're seeing somebody who on a bad injury is releasing video showing that he's in a park and he's putting weight on the leg. He's not limping. He's not. Not walking around gingerly. He's running through a workout. I understand it's not, you know, it's not being on ice and it's certainly not playing in an NHL game. But if he's got three and a half months and is already weight bearing on the injury, I mean, I'm willing to make a prognosis that hockey players being totally insane, that there's no circumstance under which the captain and best player and best two way player in the sport isn't going to try to get back as fast as he can. So he's not starting with playoff action. Greg, like, you do not want to. You don't always. You don't want your first games to be the playoff intensity. So I'm guessing that the goal is to get. The goal is to get back and to test his body in a way that if he doesn't have a setback, he will. What are you smiling about?

[Greg Cody]

I mean, I'm just saying, like, I'm bored. I mean, you know, sometimes. Sometimes you want to pull back a little bit as to not arouse suspicions. Guy, a month and a half after surgery is out here running. Doesn't sound odd to you guys? You're like, oh, this is great. This is amazing as a hockey player stuff. I'm like, really? Yeah.

[Amin Elhassan]

It's a miracle.

[Greg Cody]

A miracle. All right. A miracle of modern science, wink, wink, if you catch my drift.

[Stugats]

I don't know why your drift is. Is here or I don't think it's worthy of being caught.

[Amin Elhassan]

No, the drift is needed.

[Guest/Caller]

Craig caught it.

[Zaz]

Don't catch your drift at all.

[Amin Elhassan]

Yeah, it's a valuable drift.

[Stugats]

What are you accusing, Barkov? I'm not accusing. Hold on a second. Hold on a second. Don't tell me you're not accusing him of anything. Hold on. Time to throw away journalistic credibility and get reckless.

[Amin Elhassan]

Here is something we like to call reckless speculation.

[Stugats]

You're good.

[Greg Cody]

All I'm saying is you guys seem to be excitedly marveling at this miraculous, way ahead of schedule recovery and not like asking any other follow up questions or oh, what's different about your recovery regimen that's made you so incredibly. Like what?

[Zaz]

Steroids? Who cares?

[Stugats]

Greg, why are you pointing. Why are you pointing at Amin as if you're a journalist and you're pointing at Amin in agreement, as if you want to give him a hello, Amin.

[Amin Elhassan]

Makes a valuable point.

[Greg Cody]

Thank you.

[Stugats]

Which is what's the valuable point?

[Amin Elhassan]

The valuable point is if a month and a half ago they're saying Barka. They're not saying might be out for the season. They are saying Barkov is out for the season.

[Jeremy]

No, they never said that.

[Amin Elhassan]

I believe they did.

[Jeremy]

They never said definitely out for the season.

[Roy]

Yeah, they never said that.

[Stugats]

This is a good way to argue. They didn't say that. I believe they did. That's like arguing with my father where I'll go to the Internet and I'll show him something and he'll just look at it and go, I don't know about that.

[Amin Elhassan]

Yeah, could be AI.

[Stugats]

I can't win the argument that way.

[Amin Elhassan]

The Internet lies.

[Stugats]

You're saying you believe something that no one else here believes or has heard. People who are watching and following the team every day, including west coast games, even though they're getting old. Yeah.

[Zaz]

Get tired.

[Amin Elhassan]

Listen, can I say one thing? I don't want to be the naysayer here. I hope he comes back soon. Barkov is my favorite player.

[Stugats]

March.

[Amin Elhassan]

March, you think?

[Stugats]

Yeah.

[Amin Elhassan]

Okay.

[Jeremy]

Are you allowed to have a fair player?

[Amin Elhassan]

I can have a player I enjoy watching. He never gets enough credit. He's the most underrated superstar in the league.

[Jeremy]

I feel like the last couple years.

[Zaz]

I think he gets the credit.

[Jeremy]

Finally gets.

[Zaz]

Finally he does.

[Stugats]

But.

[Zaz]

But if I could add here, Greg, you may think that they announced that he's going to be out for the year. I don't believe that's true. If they actually, like. If they were certain he was going to be out for the year, they would have made the arrangements where they can get. They could replace his salary in the salary cap. And because they did not do that, they can only replace 30% of his salary. So that would tell you they're holding out hope he's going to be back. Otherwise, they would have made the arrangements to get full salary cap relief.

[Amin Elhassan]

All I'm saying is let's not oversell and put too much stock in a video of him not wearing a knee brace at Holiday Park. It doesn't really mean much to me. Now, you guys are reading a lot into it.

[Stugats]

What about him telling Spoelstra that he was going to be back in five months? What about that?

[Amin Elhassan]

Why would he be telling the basketball coach that he's going to be back in five months?

[Stugats]

Well, he did. I don't. I don't know. I don't know. His internal motivation.

[Jeremy]

What's my dad doing?

[Greg Cody]

I'll tell you what he's doing. He's asking questions while the rest of you guys are just eating at the trough.

[Amin Elhassan]

Yes. Thank you.

[Greg Cody]

You're telling me. Let me. Let me point out. Let me point out something that Zaz just did. Zassad. Zaz said, hey, if he was going to be out for the year, they would have applied for the salary cap relief. Right? So you're telling me he gets injured in September, tears his ACL and his mcl. Hold on, hold on, hold on. At that moment, the Panthers are like, I think he'll be back soon. They haven't seen any rehab. The injury just happened. It's the beginning of the year. And they said, you know what? Let's hold out hope. What do they know that we didn't know in September? Something about a recovery that could be, oh, I don't know, quick enough to be back in the year.

[Stugats]

Good.

[Zaz]

I hope you're right. I hope. I hope what you're insinuating is right. Here's a bad thing.

[Jeremy]

I feel like my dad doesn't know what he's agreeing with when he agrees with me.

[Greg Cody]

No, he knows. He knows.

[Stugats]

How dare you.

[Amin Elhassan]

Good. Here's another question. What is Tyler Herro telling Paul Maurice about when he'll be back? Yeah, because if we're talking to other coaches. Not even on our sports.

[Greg Cody]

Exactly.

[Amin Elhassan]

I'm curious what's happening?

[Zaz]

Okay, But Barkov is a huge Heat fan. Matter of fact, he was at the game the other day, and he went and visited Heat training camp right after having the surgery. He loves the heat.

[Amin Elhassan]

Right.

[Stugats]

This is an amazing thing, though, to watch from a longtime journalist. Okay, you, who have no information talking to Barkov, questions Eric Spoelstra, who has information from talking to Barkov. You think you're right, and then question both Barkov and Spo even though you have no information. We have video, we have spoken, we have Spobe quoting Barkov, and we have you saying, I have no information, but I think everything I'm seeing and hearing is inaccurate.

[Amin Elhassan]

Look, I appreciate that Dr. Spoelstra has advocated that Barkov will be back sooner than others think. I hope he's right. I hope Barkov plays tomorrow night. I don't even know if they're scheduled tomorrow night. He's questionable. I hope he comes back as soon as possible, if not sooner. But let's just, you know, pump the old brakes and not worry about that. Let's worry about Tkachuk coming back if he has time between his podcast and attending games.

[Greg Cody]

Yeah, for real. What are these guys doing?

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[Stugats]

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[Guest/Caller]

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[Stugats]

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[Amin Elhassan]

Don Lebatard I heard that as a woman faking pain, I didn't think that sounded real. I really didn't.

[Stugats]

You know it was not fake. It was in no way fake.

[Dan LeBatard]

You can spot a woman faking it.

[Stugats]

Stugats.

[Amin Elhassan]

Yes, I can, Jess Expert. I've been married 40 years.

[Stugats]

This is the Dan Levatar show with the stugats.

[Greg Cody]

You know why? You know why, Greg? He's got time to do all that modern science.

[Stugats]

It's Tuesday. Do you have it? Back in my day, no.

[Amin Elhassan]

No, I don't.

[Greg Cody]

I got one.

[Amin Elhassan]

My Ed McMahon imitation. By the way.

[Greg Cody]

That makes you Johnny. Dan.

[Stugats]

Did you retire back in my day and not tell anybody? Because it's been an extraordinarily long time.

[Amin Elhassan]

It's been a minute as a kid.

[Stugats]

It's been a lot of minutes. It's been many, many minutes.

[Amin Elhassan]

Yeah, I got one in the queue. I just hadn't around to writing it yet.

[Stugats]

Then here's an express.

[Greg Cody]

Back in my day. Back in my day, we didn't get medical advice from NBA coaches.

[Amin Elhassan]

There you go. I like that one. Well, I tell you, Amina's on fire right now. Thank you and fuego. Let's go.

[Stugats]

So you Donis Haslam told Khalil Ware to rebound better. And since then Khalil Ware has rebounded better. Unanis Haslam is also going back and forth with Ben Stiller trying to keep the embers alive from a long ago rivalry where after the Knicks beat the Heat the other night in New York, Ben Stiller said it will happen again.

[Jeremy]

You don has told Khalil that immediately after the game I texted Khalil Ware and said, get in the film, Mitchell Robinson. Watch every offense rebound. He got on you and fix it. And Ben Stiller chimed in, oh, it'll happen again. What happened last night?

[Zaz]

Balls on that Ben Stiller. Watch your mouth.

[Stugats]

They. They do Love Mitchell Robinson in New York. Mitchell Robinson. Not as much as they loved Isaiah Hartenstein, but they do love Mitchell Robinson. They think he's key. And he is key against Cleveland. I don't know how and why, but he presents matchup problems for Cleveland that are totally confusing to me.

[Guest/Caller]

That's because he's someone who going into last night was averaging six offensive rebounds per game in 16 minutes per game. He's a freak as an offensive rebounder.

[Zaz]

So then UD wasn't going to let that stand. I mean, he's gonna let Ben Stiller talk that kind of way. Just say things all willy nilly. So then UD responded to Ben Stiller. Big fan. But this clearly ain't Yo Lane.

[Stugats]

Yeah. And he did that while putting up a photo. And it's the best photo to put up of Ben Stiller that's not with him. With sperm in his hair and something about Mary. It's. It's him. It's him.

[Jeremy]

And the side of Cameron Diaz with the.

[Stugats]

Yeah.

[Jeremy]

Stuff in her hair in that movie.

[Zaz]

It was on his version to Dan.

[Greg Cody]

It was on his ear. And then she.

[Jeremy]

I was picturing the hair up my band.

[Stugats]

Yeah. Yes. Good correction.

[Guest/Caller]

You know about that jizz.

[Amin Elhassan]

Jesus. Oh, yeah.

[Stugats]

Hold on a second. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Yeah, I'm sorry.

[Guest/Caller]

Hold on.

[Stugats]

What the hell?

[Roy]

We're gonna.

[Zaz]

Major penalty on Jeremy. Five minutes for being Jeremy.

[Greg Cody]

He's got a special one of his own, huh?

[Stugats]

It was a bad mistake by me. My bad. It is Cameron Diaz.

[Greg Cody]

Dan. You know what my favorite thing is? UD had this very stern conversation with Killa where. So you don't let him do that to you again. And so Mitchell Robinson only grabbed five rebounds. Five offensive rebounds in 18 minutes last night. That'll show them.

[Zaz]

But how many on where Kellog were owned him? Kellogg was. He was the best player on the floor last night.

[Greg Cody]

He was awesome. He was awesome. I'm just saying. Mitchell Robinson still grabbed the shit. Ton of rebounds.

[Jeremy]

How many takes you think Ben Stiller did with the famous head on chest, Sweaty chest.

[Zaz]

Like there's no way that that could be doctored. You had to actually do that, right?

[Greg Cody]

You guys are giving credit to Ben Stiller. How about my guy pour out a little liquor, man for one of the greatest Hoffman actors of all time? Patrick Seymour Hoffman. Like legitimately.

[Stugats]

Philip.

[Greg Cody]

Philip Seymour. His brother Patrick, though, he was a good actor, too. A lot of people don't talk about him, but Philip Seymour Hoffman, one of the great actors. Like legit. I'm not trying to be funny here. Like a thespian. Right.

[Zaz]

A tour de force performance.

[Greg Cody]

Absolutely. He starred in this stupid ass movie and killed it.

[Stugats]

It was a great movie. But if you were taking. So that's. Along came Paulie. I mean, Ben Stiller's resume on funny movies. He directed Tropic Thunder. I think that was the first time he ever directed. But that resume on funny movies, Puppy.

[Greg Cody]

Brakes is cable guy.

[Stugats]

Want to have some See is an all timer. I mean, but if you had the scene that you were putting up to make fun of Ben Stiller. Okay. That the one that you Donnis chose would be my third choice. Really? Yes, I think that would be my third choice. Now that's basketball related. But I think I go with two others. I would go hanging from the air and I would go getting your junk caught in the zipper as well.

[Zaz]

Oh, and he had the brains coming out of the zipper.

[Guest/Caller]

The ball sack.

[Stugats]

Yeah.

[Greg Cody]

Irrelevant though. This is basketball relevant. That's why he went with it. Come on, Dan, you gotta get your Internet troll game.

[Stugats]

I'm just talking about scenes. Favorite scenes from Ben Stiller. If I'm trying to simply mock Ben Stiller. If I'm going because Ben Stiller. In terms of famous Knicks fans, the loudest among them is Spike Lee. But I think of Ben Stiller. Stiller is second. I think. I think second place in terms of famous Knicks fans is Ben Stiller. Do you have a nominee better than Ben Stiller?

[Greg Cody]

I would say Ben Stiller is Internet loud. Specifically on Twitter. He tweets a lot.

[Zaz]

Well, and especially over the last couple years. Yeah, he's a little bit of a front runner. I didn't hear from him 10 years ago. Like I like I would have Tracy Morgan behind Spike Lee.

[Greg Cody]

I no love for Chalamet. Chalamet was out there.

[Zaz]

Nice. A little bit of a Johnny come lately too.

[Greg Cody]

I was only like 12 years old.

[Zaz]

Tracy Morgan cares so much about the Knicks that he was willing to be sick and puke on the court during a game last year.

[Greg Cody]

I mean, sick sick.

[Amin Elhassan]

Willing to. Willing to do that.

[Stugats]

Yeah.

[Zaz]

He's like, I don't feel good, but I don't want to miss the game.

[Greg Cody]

I think he was already at the game and then he started to not feel good. Perhaps for some of the libations that are happening behind the scenes.

[Zaz]

He tried to gut it out though.

[Stugats]

Wait a minute. Hold on a minute. What do you mean libations behind the scenes? We don't know that it's libations. Like time to throw away the journalistic credibility and get reckless.

[Amin Elhassan]

Here is something we like to call reckless speculation.

[Stugats]

You're good.

[Greg Cody]

He was drunk.

[Amin Elhassan]

Fair.

[Stugats]

Amin, give me your expert analysis on what Khalil Ware is going to become because this is not his ceiling. Last night at the end of the game, Karl Anthony Towns was having trouble getting his shot off. At the end of the game, he doesn't have trouble usually getting his shot off. Now I do think, I think the Heat's Achilles heel on offense is going to be what you saw happen at the end of that game where they're up 10 and then the last three minutes of the game they score three points.

[Zaz]

You don't think Hero's going to help there?

[Stugats]

He will help, but I think they're going to have a problem with late game scoring because when Hero was in the game and healthy, they had problems with late game scoring because late games are different in the NBA than the rest of the game. Last night, three and a half minutes left in the game, they were up by 10 or 12. They scored three points the rest of the way. But Khalil Ware made it problematic for Karl Anthony Towns. A really uncommon seven footer, right, wins the three point contest. He gets his shot off and he just missed the shot at the end a little further from the basket than he wants to be. But Ware also blocked his shot when he was closer. So I ask for your expertise here. What is the growth of this going to be? Because the Heat had been pushing him pretty hard privately and publicly on grow the hell up. Like we don't have time for childishness or immaturity or work ethic.

[Zaz]

That's amazing though. He's only his second year.

[Stugats]

Well, he's very young. He is a player that is not yet at the top of what his growth will be. So I ask you, what's he going to be?

[Greg Cody]

Well, Zaz, Zaz asked that question and my thought is I think there's a little bit of the ghost of Hasan past that makes the Miami say, we're not doing this again. We're going to be on your ass from day one.

[Zaz]

So that's simply because he's tall.

[Greg Cody]

Well, no, there's a level of kind of space cadet of not always locked in. Like the idea, first of all, the idea that he closed the game last night six months ago, that would have been unthinkable.

[Zaz]

Played over 30 minutes last night, like that usually doesn't happen.

[Greg Cody]

The number of minutes is cool. But the idea that Spo said this is a one possession game, I'm going.

[Zaz]

To have him on the floor and made the play, and then he.

[Greg Cody]

Obviously, he backs it up and makes a play is incredible. But just simply the trust that he can be out there and will not have a mental lapse and will not mess up. Now, here's the hard part. For a young kid like that, last night was probably the best game of his career. Okay? Now tomorrow, you got to go do it again and do it again and do it again and do it again. And that. Ultimately, Dan, when you ask me, how good can he be, it starts with, can he be consistent? He doesn't have to be that great.

[Stugats]

Consistent, but athletically, there's no reason for him to not be among the most athletic people on the court. Every single time he's on the court, he has.

[Greg Cody]

Oh, man, I'm gonna say this, and it's gonna sound scary, and when. Brace yourselves. He has all the physical tools.

[Zaz]

That's what I'm talking about.

[Greg Cody]

To be a wembanyama stopper.

[Zaz]

That's what I'm talking about.

[Greg Cody]

What, the physical duels.

[Stugats]

What?

[Greg Cody]

The physical tools.

[Stugats]

Okay, you say this. Someone who doesn't have the physical tools to be a Wembanyama stopper is one of the greatest, most versatile defenders we've ever seen. Draymond Green. I want to show you guys a ridiculous video of Draymond Green, who is, you know, between 6, 7 and 6, 9. He is undersized.

[Greg Cody]

He's between 6, 6 and 6, 7, 6, 9.

[Stugats]

He is.

[Greg Cody]

You know what he'd tell you if he was six? If you made me six, nine, I'll be MVP of the league. That's what he'd say.

[Stugats]

Okay, so he is undersized, but I've never seen him look like a toddler when trying to guard someone in the low post. You can make the argument that this is the most versatile defender and one of the best defenders we've ever seen. I want you to look at this video of him trying to keep Wembanyama out. And I'm not kidding you when I say in this. In this, he. He looks like a toddler. Draymond Green, one of the great defenders in NBA history, looks like a toddler against Wembanyama. And then Wembanyama just dunks on him because Draymond Green. Draymond Green, he's not staring him down. He's staring at a spot under Wembanyama's nipples because Wembanyama, there is no such thing as physical tools that can stop Wembanyama.

[Greg Cody]

Well, not when you're 6 7. Right. Like that. That could be problematic. And Draymond, what he's done there is literally the extent of the human capability given the physical tools, given he's being physical, he's pushing. He's also talking. I don't know if we have that sound of him saying the shit talk that was happening between him and Wembanyama during the game, but it's like he's doing all of these things to try and take away, but you can't take it all away. So the spin lob is there because he doesn't want him to get the clean catch right there. Because if he turns and fires, Draymond has no chance. This is the part. If I could take Draymond's brain and put it into killer's body. Now we're talking.

[Stugats]

Let's look at this again. So you guys can see it's a low off first.

[Jeremy]

Draymond goes in, gets underneath them, and it's like, I got position on him.

[Stugats]

Yeah.

[Jeremy]

It does not last very long.

[Stugats]

Yeah, they tried to guard the Karl Anthony Towns this way last night because you take smaller guys and you just throw him at the waist of the taller guy. But the. The. The size difference, they're the same height when Wemby's.

[Jeremy]

When he's got his hands on his knees real quick.

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[Stugats]

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[Dan LeBatard]

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[Greg Cody]

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[Stugats]

Don LeBatard.

[Amin Elhassan]

This guy comes in as the next Wayne Gretzky. His nicknames include the chosen1 and McJesus. Okay, he's a great player. He scores a lot of goals. He scores a ton of assists, but it hasn't translated to making Edmonton a powerhouse in the league.

[Dan LeBatard]

They're in the final Stugats.

[Jeremy]

What's your nickname for him?

[Amin Elhassan]

Look. Overrated.

[Stugats]

This is the Dan Levatar show with the Stugats. This is like Wembanyama. It looks like him playing against 6th graders. Because Wembanyama is a former foot. He's a. He's a foot taller than. Than one of the great defenders ever. But when you say he's got to put it together night after night, you are right, of course. I mean. But there's nothing keeping him from putting it together night after night except him. Like what? When you talk about physical tools, I'm asking you, what's the ceiling on this person? Give me a comp for what the ceiling is on a person this young who is going to continue to grow because this is not.

[Dan LeBatard]

Not.

[Stugats]

This is not his prime. It is not. He is gonna get better as a basketball player, and he's already somebody. I don't want him taking too many corner threes, but he can take corner threes.

[Guest/Caller]

What's the ceiling? Wemby.

[Greg Cody]

Okay, we're not gonna do that.

[Stugats]

Oh, come on.

[Greg Cody]

Come on. Hold on.

[Stugats]

Come on. What kind of discussion is that? I say, come on, you say, come on. You say something ridiculous. I say come on, and then you say, come on.

[Greg Cody]

Come on. Me?

[Amin Elhassan]

Come on.

[Greg Cody]

The ceiling Dan. I don't know. Because I'm trying to figure out who is a comp. And I think Rudy Gobert. But, like, he can shoot way better than Rudy Gobert ever could in his career.

[Stugats]

So that shooting and runs the floor better.

[Greg Cody]

Rudy's a pretty good athlete, too.

[Stugats]

Rudy Gobert. I'm not questioning Rudy Gobert's athleticism. The way Ware runs the floor on the fast break is, to me, still an unusual thing at his side, where he is running the floor with the same speed everyone else is running the floor.

[Zaz]

The way Ware dribbled up the floor in the front court and then dunked it past two. Guys like Rudy Gobert can't even dream.

[Greg Cody]

So then I think about Javale McGee. Is it. Is he like a better Javale McGee? Because Javale McGee was very skilled, but again, was plagued by a lot of the things that we talked about as far as can you be locked in every single night?

[Zaz]

Why can't he just be this guy that we saw last night? That guy's really good. Why can't he be that?

[Greg Cody]

Because. Because. Because it takes a level of mental preparation and concentration to Stay locked in. It's also, you know how this game goes. Things are changing all the time. You can't be like, okay, I got it now. Because you know what those guys are doing? They're watching film too, and they're gonna start adapting. So it involves like a diligent, again, intellectual approach. It's not just let me get in the weight room and I'm good. It's like, yo, you've got to learn this game. And. And does he have the appetite to continue to learn it?

[Amin Elhassan]

But I think that was where last night. I think that was where his fourth straight double double. Isn't that a sign of consistency, A hint of it at least? An encouraging sign?

[Greg Cody]

Yes, Greg. But then again, I invoke the name of the spirit. Hassan Whiteside.

[Stugats]

Yeah, but that's not right because whiteside was like 27 or 29 when the heat got him. This is rookie development at 20 years old. And when you say Javale McGee. Now, I know Javale McGee is a majestic athletic talent, but when I think of Javale McGee, I just think of an assortment of ridiculous plays that are going to be put on the screen now because I asked Video to get me a montage of just Javale McGee being ridiculous because he is still mad at Shaquille O' Neal for the way that Shaquille O' Neal would make fun of him because he was more athletic than anyone else on the court, but he would just do an assortment of nonsense that was irresponsible. I associate Javale McGee largely with wasted talent. That's my favorite.

[Greg Cody]

That's my favorite one out of the entire montage of all the things we'll ever show. My favorite one is him messing up running back off court even though they have the ball and the way John Wall turns back and looks at him and has this kind of, oh, Jesus Christ, this look about him. Dan. Javale McGee is a. First of all, he's a two time champ.

[Zaz]

His highlights are on a three time champ.

[Stugats]

Three times. Twice.

[Guest/Caller]

17, 18 and 20.

[Greg Cody]

Twice with the warriors and once with the Lakers. So three time NBA champ. So put some respect on his name. But also, Dan, that's an example of like, when it's not harnessed. Right? You're right. Hasan Whiteside was further along as a reclamation project. But I think he was productive in a way where the Heat were like, we're getting what we need out of him. And then ultimately down the line, they realized they created a monster by not being stricter.

[Stugats]

I went to you for genuine expertise and enthusiasm. And I'm not saying you didn't give us expertise, but you did not give us enthusiasm. When you compare his ceiling to Javale McGee, you have insulted ceilings.

[Greg Cody]

Again.

[Jeremy]

Ceilings.

[Zaz]

Like come on.

[Greg Cody]

I think if I ask Khalil Ware, would you like to be a three time champion and be like a pivotal part of that. That's a pretty good ceiling.

[Stugats]

A pivotal part of that was 12 minutes a game. Come on. He was not a pivotal part of the championship.

[Greg Cody]

Lob threat man. You needed a lob threat in that warriors offense.

[Stugats]

I'm not disputing that he gave them contributions that he was a contributor to those championship. I am disputing that he was a pivotal thing that would have resulted in championships not being won if he hadn't been the one at the rim.

[Greg Cody]

I gave you Rudy Gobert with a jump shot. You didn't like that one either.

[Amin Elhassan]

You do it.

[Greg Cody]

Yeah.

[Amin Elhassan]

What's. Where's ceiling?

[Stugats]

Well, the reason that I'm hesitant to do it is because I don't believe that what it is that I have watched over the history of time in basketball allows me to accurately assess people this size when Carl Anthony Towns is a human being that I've never seen what play back basketball before. Someone who shoots that well at that side but at that size but isn't in the post what I would like him to be. So the reason I'm going to amin is because his library of remembering how it is that people develop from when they're 20 is better than my library on how they develop. And so Rudy Gobert as a comp doesn't work for me just because he's a better offensive player than Rudy Gobert and I doubt very much that he'll ever be the defensive player that Rudy Gobert is. Mean that as a slight in any way on where either I'm looking for somebody because Ware frustrates me with his lack of touch around the basket. He frustrates me with sound familiar with it with his low post game but I don't think it's going to stay that way. Like I believe that with a great many reps he's not going to be that kind of awkward. And I don't know how to do the assessment because of how young he is what happens when he's in this particular cauldron. Like I've. I've seen this team do something with Ike Austin like at in terms of.

[Greg Cody]

Being able Ike Austin driving around right now. Hey, they talking about me on Levitar show. Wait a second. Damn man. I thought we Were cool.

[Stugats]

Dan, I don't mean that as an insult to Ike Austin. Like, Ike Austin wasn't very much.

[Jeremy]

Even Ike Austin's like, yeah, they did.

[Dan LeBatard]

A lot with me.

[Stugats]

When he got here, he wasn't any kind of special.

[Greg Cody]

He was overwhelmed.

[Dan LeBatard]

He was out of the league.

[Greg Cody]

He was an underachieving, overweight big man, and he came here and he became a rotation NBA player. It's a story that I tell every time we talk about the Heat. It's like they have decades of proof that we get guys, we get diamonds in the rough, we polish them up. Why would you ever pay retail for your diamonds then? You do this all the time for Shawn Leonard, Ike Austin, Eric Murdoch, like, all these names. John Crotty. Like, these guys were just around. Yeah. Mashburn, Jamal Mashburn, Clarence Weatherspoon.

[Guest/Caller]

This season is a really interesting case study for the Heat, and. And so is this player individually, because everything that we're talking about with the Heat, getting guys to overachieve, it's either guys who had attitude problems right in their previous stops, whether that was Hardaway, whether that was morning, whether that was Jimmy Butler getting them to overachieve, then looking at. At the undrafted players that they've done this with, taking, taking or taking guys that, you know, hadn't reached their ceiling. Now you have. Whether it's Khalil Ware, even Davion Mitchell, who was a lottery pick who has yet to find his footing, you're taking guys with higher ceilings, talented players, and seeing if you can unlock the best of them. For that matter, 10 years into his career, Andrew Wiggins is having a career season. So it's interesting to see the way that they'll be able to do it.

[Stugats]

And.

[Guest/Caller]

And Khalil Ware is the perfect case study of that Heat cauldron that you speak.

[Greg Cody]

Let me correct your young ass. Tim Hardaway wasn't an attitude issue. It was. We thought his knees were done like it was. He was bone on bone.

[Zaz]

And Golden State also benched him for Sprewell.

[Guest/Caller]

That's right.

[Greg Cody]

Because his knees were bone on bone. Like, it was a physical thing. People thought his career was over. And then Alonzo Mourning. Let me tell you something. You think that was an attitude problem? That was an attitude problem that 29 teams would have want, or I guess it was 27 back then, but 2017 teams were lining up for Alonzo. Morning was not at all looked at as a toxic thing.

[Guest/Caller]

Okay.

[Zaz]

That was very.

[Stugats]

I said okay.

[Greg Cody]

Okay.

[Dan LeBatard]

That.

[Stugats]

Okay, was loaded. I'm. I. I'm. I'm With Zaz, it felt like I had an undertone of racism.

[Greg Cody]

One of the most. I didn't see it at first, but I'm starting to see it now.

[Zaz]

I didn't like that.

[Stugats]

Where's HR he spent Sunday cheering for Harrison Butger. And I'm not happy with what's happening. Rambling, started gambling.

[Greg Cody]

Hold on. I was wrong side of that.

[Stugats]

Loaded. Okay. There was a lot of. There was a lot of poison in that. Okay. Jeremy, There was a lot of bass in that. Okay. Yeah. Tim Hardaway came here as he was viewed as a problem child. It wasn't just knees. It wasn't just knees.

[Greg Cody]

Okay.

[Guest/Caller]

Long term Heat expert Dan Lebatard telling.

[Stugats]

You the truth, he was available to cheap. It was. It was also knees, but it wasn't just knees.

[Greg Cody]

It was available cheap because people thought his career is over. Also, you want to trust a guy who thought Ben Stiller had the jism in his hair.

[Zaz]

I mean, cheap. They gave up Kevin Willis and Bimbo Kohl's.

[Greg Cody]

Hey, man, Kevin Willis gotta give something to get something. Hold on, man. Kevin Willis, one of the longest NBA careers in NBA history.

[Zaz]

He had T. Rex arms.

[Greg Cody]

He did. But he was in great shape.

[Stugats]

Shape.

[Greg Cody]

Those arms were buff.

[Zaz]

Dude, refuse to pass.

[Stugats]

He wore nothing but Eddie Murphy suits, too. Like, all of his suits were leather.

[Zaz]

Well, he has like a clothing line.

[Stugats]

Oh, but he was. He looked so good in those suits because he was so buff. But you're right, he had T. Rex arms. They were short arms. He was a seven footer, right? Or. But. But he did not play like a seven footer.

[Greg Cody]

I mean, he was athletic. He had. He had some moves. He was a good player. But lacking a. Of lack. Having short arms kind of is like a hazard in the workplace in this sport.

[Stugats]

Greg Cody's having a bad arm day again, I think.

[Amin Elhassan]

Well, when I was just curious, when did the alligator arm become the T. Rex arm? Because it was always the alligator arm for short.

[Dan LeBatard]

Either one.

[Stugats]

1993. I don't think alligator arms are short arms. I think alligator arms are scared arms. Arms that you retract when you're going over the middle. T. Rex arms are just. Your hands are attached to your nipples.

[Amin Elhassan]

You think an alligator's arms are scared?

[Greg Cody]

Yeah, that sounds.

[Amin Elhassan]

Have you ever alligator?

[Jeremy]

I thought they had the same meeting, but Jeremy says you're right.

[Stugats]

Alligator arms are scared arms.

[Zaz]

Look at me, I'm Kevin Willis.

[Greg Cody]

I'm G. Say right now, I ain't never seen no alligator that was scared. You seen one, Greg?

[Amin Elhassan]

No. Hell no, man.

[Stugats]

They are also short arms, but they're arms that get short when you're scared going over. I mean, Ricky Waters has the famous quote when he played for the champion 49ers. He's going over the middle and he alligator arms something and he looked around and he's like, for who? For what? 11 in front of the hour.

[Amin Elhassan]

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[Guest/Caller]

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[Dan LeBatard]

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[Stugats]

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[Dan LeBatard]

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[Stugats]

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[Stugats]

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[Stugats]

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[Roy]

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[Stugats]

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