Local Hour: The Wide Receiver Workshop

Summary

The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Episode: Local Hour: The Wide Receiver Workshop
Release Date: July 10, 2025

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1. Introduction to the Wide Receiver Workshop

The episode delves into an exclusive discussion about a recent wide receiver workshop attended by host Andrew Hawkins. Mike Ryan initiates the conversation, expressing enthusiasm about Hawkins' participation.

• Mike Ryan [00:29]: "Are the rest of you as tired as I am already? And I was happy to see Hawkins initially. Hearing him talk about the local wide receiver workshop that he participated in."

Andrew Hawkins responds modestly, hinting at the intensity of the workshop and his own performance.

• Andrew Hawkins [00:42]: "I'm glad it was initially you were happy to see me. That seemed like a kind of an undershot there..."

2. Highlights from the Workshop

Andrew provides an overview of the workshop, mentioning prominent NFL receivers who attended, including Tyreek Hill, Jamar Chase, and Elijah Moore. The event was hosted by Chad Ochocinko, indicating a high level of expertise and competition.

• Andrew Hawkins [01:22]: "Okay. All right. Well, yeah, well, they had a five star quarterback. All. A lot of great receivers were there. Tyreek Hill was there. Jamar Chase was there... It was hosted by Chad Ochocinko."

3. Training Techniques and Personal Experiences

The hosts discuss various training drills showcased at the workshop. Andrew shares humorous anecdotes about photos and videos of himself attempting routes, highlighting the physical demands of the exercises.

• Andrew Hawkins [01:39]: "I didn't show everyone pictures of me running routes. I showed them videos of me in the background of other really good receivers running routes."
• Mike Ryan [02:03]: "You looked high."
• Andrew Hawkins [02:30]: "Listeners, I would say this was, like, four days ago, and I am very much still sore."

4. Deep Dive into Tyreek Hill’s Performance

A significant portion of the discussion centers around Tyreek Hill's exceptional speed and agility. The hosts analyze his ability to accelerate and decelerate, making him a formidable wide receiver despite being 31 years old.

• Andrew Hawkins [07:00]: "If it's AI, it's in its legs because I was there in person and I am telling you I don't know if I've seen very many humans run at his speed."
• Tony [08:02]: "It's not only that he stops on a dime. The quarterback threw it over his head."

The conversation extends to comparing Hill's speed to Olympic sprinters, pondering whether he could compete against athletes like Noah Lyles.

• Mike Ryan [09:11]: "You're not of the belief that he could actually beat Noah Lyles in a race, are you?"
• Andrew Hawkins [09:55]: "I like them in 60. I don't like him in 80. 80 to 100. I like Noah."

5. Beyond Speed: Essential Traits for Wide Receivers

Chris Cody introduces a crucial question about what physical attributes, aside from speed, are vital for wide receivers to excel. Andrew Hawkins emphasizes the importance of body control and reliable hand-eye coordination.

• Chris Cody [12:07]: "What is the physical trait that you would want outside of speed?"
• Andrew Hawkins [13:04]: "There's not a single physical trait. And I think that's the hard part about wide receiver... It would be body control."

6. Personal Stories and Light-Hearted Banter

The hosts share personal stories, particularly focusing on Tony's attempts at playing quarterback and tight end. This segment is filled with humor, especially when discussing physical ailments like foot injuries.

• Andrew Hawkins [16:10]: "My ankles have, like, the surgery marks all over them."
• Stugotz [17:02]: "And you could tell he has a good foot and a bad foot..."

7. Locker Room Dynamics and HR Challenges

A hypothetical scenario is introduced by Mike Ryan regarding HR issues in an NFL locker room, specifically about a player playing satanic music. The discussion transitions into the complexities of handling conflicts in such high-pressure environments.

• Mike Ryan [31:07]: "How do you handle a situation where someone is playing music that others object to?"
• Andrew Hawkins [32:38]: "It's like, you don't actually care about how someone is being treated at prison. No one ever talks about it."

The conversation highlights the absence of formal HR structures within locker rooms, relying instead on interpersonal resolutions.

8. Closing Remarks and Continued Banter

As the episode nears its end, the hosts engage in humorous exchanges, touching upon topics like dance moves on treadmills and maintaining team morale through light-hearted antics.

• Stugotz [42:06]: "He look. He made exercise look happier than I imagined it."
• Mike Ryan [43:03]: "I see that photo of Daniel Day Lewis looking like Lincoln before he's about to start filming Lincoln, and you know what I do Amin stugats. I jerk off all over myself. That's what I do."

9. Conclusion

The episode concludes with the hosts reflecting on the challenges and camaraderie within the world of sports, blending expert analysis with their signature humor and camaraderie. While touching on serious topics like player performance and workplace dynamics, they maintain an engaging and entertaining dialogue throughout.

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Notable Quotes Summary:

• Andrew Hawkins [07:00]: Discussing Tyreek Hill's speed and stopping ability.
• Mike Ryan [31:07]: Introducing the HR hypothetical about music in the locker room.
• Stugotz [17:02]: Humorous take on foot injuries.
• Chris Cody [12:07]: Questioning essential traits for wide receivers beyond speed.

This episode offers a comprehensive look into the intricacies of wide receiver training, player dynamics, and the lighter moments that define the camaraderie among the hosts. Whether you're a sports enthusiast or new to the show, the engaging discussions and insightful analyses provide valuable perspectives on the ever-evolving landscape of football.

Transcript

[Dan LeBatard]

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[Mike Ryan]

Are the rest of you as tired as I am already? And I was happy to see Hawkins initially. Hearing him talk about the local wide receiver workshop that he participated in.

[Andrew Hawkins]

I'm glad it was initially you were happy to see me. That seemed like a kind of a undershot there. I mean, it was. I participated in a wide receiver workshop. I'm not saying I still got it. You know what I'm saying? I'm not saying I don't.

[Chris Cody]

Like you were doing the drills.

[Andrew Hawkins]

I did do the drills.

[Tony]

You guys need quarterbacks. I'll go over there.

[Andrew Hawkins]

We needed quarterbacks. We actually were struggling to find.

[Chris Cody]

You throw actual footballs or imaginary ones? If it's imaginary ones, this dude's Joe Montana.

[Andrew Hawkins]

We had a five star. What's his name? Diabell. You heard of him? Five star. Raja Bell's son. Did you know that? No.

[Chris Cody]

I venmoed him once.

[Andrew Hawkins]

Did you? What for an official visit to put Miami in his top 30. Is that what that was?

[Chris Cody]

I did not. Just for the record.

[Andrew Hawkins]

Okay. All right. Well, yeah, well, they had a five star quarterback. All. A lot of great receivers were there. Tyreek Hill was there. Jamar Chase was there. Jerry. Judy T. Higgins. Who else? Elijah Moore. It was like 13 or so NFL receivers. It was hosted by Chad Ochocinko. I want to get into it, but it was a lot of fun.

[Mike Ryan]

Dan, you were showing everyone pictures of you running routes.

[Andrew Hawkins]

I didn't show everyone pictures of me running routes. I showed them videos of me in the background of other really good receivers running routes.

[Mike Ryan]

I saw you. I saw a photo of you catching.

[Stugotz]

A ball, jumping up in the air. You certainly participated in the routes. You were showing me the photos of you in midair catching a football.

[Andrew Hawkins]

I feel like somebody else showed you that, which also makes me feel pretty good that it's going around, but, yeah. Did I jump? How was the vertical? Be honest. Did I look high?

[Mike Ryan]

You looked high.

[Andrew Hawkins]

Thank you. You know, how was the landing? It's the wide receiver way.

[Chris Cody]

How was the landing? Because as we approach 40 and whatnot, they say the landing's the harder part.

[Andrew Hawkins]

That's me in the background.

[Stugotz]

I will say, we're not on video yet.

[Chris Cody]

It's a difficult thing to ask him about because this is very visual. And, man, look at the. That quad is popping.

[Andrew Hawkins]

Look in your mind's eye and imagine me in the background. Listeners, I would say this was, like, four days ago, and I am very much still sore. And I only participated in maybe 40% of the workout that I did do that day.

[Mike Ryan]

So you aren't quite ready for flag football in the Olympics the way you thought you were?

[Andrew Hawkins]

No, But I will say it did give me a glimmer of hope. Cause even the current guys, I would do my part of the drill, and they'd go, ooh. Like, it was like, that's good. Hey, you can move. That's crazy. I don't see guys with great beards do that type of thing.

[Chris Cody]

I don't see a dude with a gray beard either.

[Andrew Hawkins]

Hey, man, it made me feel good. That's all I'm saying. You know, there's our noobs. We're talking about these. This ain't gen pop. These are the best of the best.

[Chris Cody]

I mean, you mentioned Elijah Moore.

[Stugotz]

Did you guys see. Did you guys see what he did as his route? Because this is the move of the old wide receiver. He did the route, but it was just hands and shoulders.

[Andrew Hawkins]

Also, It's. It. The route is running through your whole body. Okay.

[Stugotz]

So you're saying these other receivers were amazed at how you moved your shoulders off the line?

[Chris Cody]

I have till the end of the segment to take some. I just noticed Elijah Moore signed with the Buffalo Bills. He's gonna be fine.

[Andrew Hawkins]

He's gonna be more than fine.

[Chris Cody]

Yeah, he's gonna be all right.

[Andrew Hawkins]

Absolutely.

[Stugotz]

He can really move those shoulders.

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[Chris Cody]

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[Andrew Hawkins]

This is the Dan Levatar show with the Stugats podcast.

[Mike Ryan]

Mike Ryan is alleging Andrew Hawkins that Tyreek Hill at this wide receiver camp that you were at, that he has seen video that he had to double check because he thought it would be it had been sped up for just Tyreek Hill that everyone else looked slow in the video and that Tyreek Hill he was claiming that AI had changed the speed of Tyreek Kill compared to everyone else at this wide receiver workshop that you did.

[Andrew Hawkins]

If if it's AI, it's in its legs because I was there in person and I am telling you I Don't know if I've seen very many humans run at his speed. And the impressive part is not just his speed, because there's been fast guys, and you're sometimes in football, especially in the NFL, you do come around guys that even by NFL standards are a different level of speed. His ability to stop at that speed is what makes him truly an anomaly. He's 31 years old now. People don't. People don't talk about that enough. I couldn't agree more. Listen, he ran it. He ran a 10. 10 in the 100, right? A 10.10, which is elite speed in general. And how I always look at it is, like, there is. There's tears. If your receivers run, like, faster than a 10 or even probably anything below that, you're probably not going to be good at football because you're not going to be able to stop your body.

[Mike Ryan]

Tony is looking at how he stops there, and it's not possible to cover any of that. Obviously.

[Tony]

It's not only that he stops on a dime. The quarterback threw it over his head.

[Andrew Hawkins]

Like, to the back. It was like.

[Tony]

It was a terrible throw. You should have hit me up.

[Andrew Hawkins]

These quarterbacks were so nervous, though. You got to understand.

[Tony]

You got to go in. You got to own the place. You're the quarterback that makes the.

[Andrew Hawkins]

No, no, no, no. He has. He has the kind of speed that flusters you. Like, oh, my gosh, am I going front?

[Tony]

You put it out in front of him so he can go get it.

[Andrew Hawkins]

That's the quarterback.

[Chris Cody]

Oh, shut up.

[Andrew Hawkins]

Okay, so look, I think Tyreek Hill has a big year because to run that fast, period, is crazy. To run that fast at 31 is insane. You can tell he's been on the track this entire off season, keeping his top line speed. But the fact that he can stop at that speed is, like, even by the NFL guys that were there, there was everybody else, and then there was Tyreek, who's the worst stopper in the league, like, who's really fast but can't stop.

[Mike Ryan]

Well, I mean, those guys.

[Andrew Hawkins]

Alignment.

[Mike Ryan]

Those guys aren't in the league, Chris.

[Stugotz]

Like, that gets weeded.

[Andrew Hawkins]

He's saying he's the best stopper. So I'm just like, is there a receiver out there that, like, that guy could stop it?

[Chris Cody]

Yeah, like Mike Vitar and D2. Any.

[Andrew Hawkins]

Anybody that says, like, oh, this is the track guy, or the guys that in the NFL were like, oh, he was really fast in track. He hasn't, you know, so much speed doesn't translate. It's probably why.

[Mike Ryan]

You're not of the belief that he could actually beat Noah Lyles in a race, are you? Because that's been canceled. That was supposed to be in California a month ago and it was canceled. You don't believe that he could beat an Olympic gold medal sprinter, do you?

[Andrew Hawkins]

At what distance? I like him in the 60.

[Mike Ryan]

Well, I thought I wasn't. It. Weren't they going to. They weren't going to do 100 meters, right? They were going to do. I think they were going to do 60.

[Andrew Hawkins]

I like them in 60. I don't like him in 80. 80 to 100. I like Noah. Anything below 60 is Tyreek running away. 60 is like the distance where Noah Stride kicks in because he's not a great starter and Tyreek is explosive off the ball. But the stride will start to kick in around 45 meters and it gets really close at this point.

[Chris Cody]

Well, you.

[Mike Ryan]

You can speak right when you're watching at this wide receiver workshop. One of the things that's unusual about Tyreek Hill, I understand that people know the speed, obviously, but people that height generally can't play that sport because you're. I mean, you did, but it's. You're an outlier. He's an outlier, but he also kind of has. Because your quickness was amazing. His quickness is amazing.

[Stugotz]

And also his physical size at that.

[Mike Ryan]

Height feels and seems like he's uncommonly strong at that height.

[Andrew Hawkins]

He is very strong. And I think the game has changed, too. Like, when I was coming out, that wasn't a thing. Especially at. Because even he is like a inch and a half, 2 inches taller than me. But it wasn't a thing when I was coming out. I think now you are seeing a lot more shorter receivers. Like, even at that workout, Elijah Moore was there, he's a shorter receiver. Tank Dale was there, shorter receiver. Xavier Restrepo was there. He's not the biggest guy, but I think it's because the wide receiver position, your job is, yes, to catch the football. Equal to that is your ability to separate. Right now, if you're a big receiver, you have a big catch radius, and it makes it easy on quarterbacks to say, hey, okay, okay, someone's attached to you. Or not that far away. I put it in this vicinity. You have long arms, you go get it right. Or if you're really, really fast, if I give you enough time, your stride kicks in, you will be out in front of you.

[Mike Ryan]

Like Tony said, just throw it out.

[Tony]

You put it out in front of you.

[Andrew Hawkins]

He was helping you. He gets it more than probably anyone I've ever talked to. Thank you, buddy. Right again.

[Tony]

If you guys need somebody next time I'm there, I just call me.

[Andrew Hawkins]

It's done. The done deal. You will be there. And then the, the. The. The other piece of that now is like, if you're a smaller receiver and your ability to stop on a dime and ramp up the speed faster than everybody else creates more separation. So for Tyreek Hill, yes, he's smaller in stature, but the throws are as easy as they can be because he has the ability to stop faster than you and speed up faster than you. So no one's ever attached to him when he's making catches.

[Chris Cody]

Can I ask you a question? I'm sorry, Dan, but since we're at this wide receiver symposium now, there's a.

[Andrew Hawkins]

Couple hosted by Chad Ochocinko, There's a.

[Chris Cody]

Couple of wide receivers in college that I wanted to ask your opinion about because people were talking in high school about Jeremiah Smith and his ceiling. And I've never really heard around a wide receiver in high school. People chatter with conviction. This guy could be the greatest of all time. Yeah, he has all the physical gifts. He's got the speed, he's got the brakes, he's got the hands. And Williams, out of Alabama, has body control that even though he doesn't have the size of Randy Moss, has the body control of Randy Moss. And I would ask you if you could have something understanding that pretty much everybody outside of Xavier Restrepo that plays that position is fast. Right? Fast for humans, maybe not fast for NFL players. What is the physical trait that you would want outside of speed? Is it the ability to just catch and be dependable? Is it body control? Is there a singular physical trait that you would lump on top of the speed to take you to that next tier?

[Andrew Hawkins]

There's not a single physical straight. And I think that's the hard part about wide receiver. I do think if I was going to pick one and rank it above everything else, it would be body control, you know, but the given has to be. You can catch to a certain degree. And some people's ability for hand, eye coordination, and, you know, grip of the football, size of the hand are going to vary.

[Chris Cody]

Can that be a learned behavior? Because in college, Andre Johnson wasn't super dependable with hands, and then he became a very dependable receiver in the pros.

[Andrew Hawkins]

You got to know what you're looking at. You got to know, like, what somebody's actual ability is and how much of it is maximized. Now, if you can't catch and there are people like this that literally, it won't matter how much work. I can tell you exactly how to do it. You can rep it. You can. They get weeded out, though. They never get well.

[Mike Ryan]

They don't get to the point.

[Chris Cody]

Brandon Marshall struggled with that throughout his career.

[Andrew Hawkins]

Yeah, you got to know if it's a concentration issue or if it's an actual ability for your eyes and hands to be on the same page, which is a thing. And typically those kind of guys, like, he's super fast, he can great body control, all these things, but he just. You know what? They are cornerbacks. So nine times out of 10, the cornerbacks are very aggressive and they are fast and all the things, but they can't catch. That's why they're on that side of the line.

[Chris Cody]

Is that the hardest position to play? And maybe professional sports outside of quarterback, because of all the processing that you have to do. But I look at that video and we could put it up again of Tyreek Hill coming out of his breaks, and I just imagine what it's like for someone that is tasked with defending him, not knowing where he's going to go, and it seems impossible.

[Andrew Hawkins]

I think it is the hardest position to be born good at because it is hard to guard another really, really fast human being going backwards. But cornerback is actually easy if you are born with the ability because receiver has a bunch of skill, you could be very fast, quick, great hands. In today's game, if you have not built the skill that it needs to play wide receiver, you will not be successful. Cornerback is easier because as long as you're athletic and you're aggressive and you're not scared to hit, I can put you at corner. You do really well. Same with running back. I can give you the ball. And whether we've gone through, you know, positional skills and say, hey, make people miss and go score, and if you have the natural ability, you'll be able to pick it up. Receiver, there's a lot of factors that go into it, so it makes it a little harder.

[Mike Ryan]

You can speak to this better than most. I watch what Tyreek Hill is doing there, which is just very common, very simple. Every day for 15 years, he's probably been doing that kind of route running. And what I think to myself as he's doing it is, man, those feet are going to be a mess by the time that dude gets to 50 years old because of how much effort all of that requires. And you were the Similar kind of roots and adventure to get to the NFL. Your feet are in what kind of condition? Given that you had to be better at cuts than other people.

[Andrew Hawkins]

Tell us about your feet. Yeah, so my feet, for those at home listening, my daughters, when I take my socks off, won't come near me because they look so bad.

[Stugotz]

Go.

[Tony]

It's like deformed toes. Are we talking about the nails?

[Andrew Hawkins]

It's like the size 10 version of a LeBron Foot. Wow. All the toes kind of come together. They're all, like. All damaged, like nail beds. My ankles have, like, the surgery marks all over them. Are your feet walk down giant?

[Mike Ryan]

Are your feet better or worse than Greg Cody's right there that are on the screen? I've maintained that those are a demon's feet or perhaps the devil's feet.

[Andrew Hawkins]

Well, let's break it down. They're. They're way too veiny. That's. That's an issue out there.

[Chris Cody]

Well, he went demon, and then he was like, well, it could be. It could be top of the line, right?

[Stugotz]

I was thinking to myself that all of the demons have a certain kind of feet, but they respect that demon's feet because it's the worst of all the feet. So I. I promoted your father to having the devil's feet because he had the worst feet in hell.

[Andrew Hawkins]

Well, like, most feet look like an L. His kind of looks like a hockey stick. Right? Like, from the ankle to the foot, it's like a. There's no, like, in the joint area, so it just kind of goes to the tip. A lot of ankle going on. A lot of ankle. There's way too much, like, filler at the. At the side of the foot. Like, it shouldn't be that thick, and there's way too many veins. A foot that thick shouldn't be able to see so many veins. And then the big. The big toenail shape is like. It comes to a point, and that's where the demon thing kind of pops in, because it looks like the big toe has horns, and so there's a lot going on. Second and third toe are, like, the same size. Weird.

[Stugotz]

I'd like. I'd like you to understand that if I was in prison and I had only your father's big toe, that would be confiscated by the guards as an illegal weapon, that I naturally snuck a shank in the prison, that I could absolutely kill other prisoners and run the yard if I just had that big toe in my pocket, that sharpened big toe. It is disgusting. Put it back up there a second. I'D like. Well, I just want the audio audience which might not be seeing this to understand that I believe that Greg Cody is so unhealthy that that right foot, that, that's as low as it goes. Coming to flat on the floor.

[Andrew Hawkins]

I was going to say.

[Stugotz]

I'm saying that, that, I'm saying the foot doesn't.

[Andrew Hawkins]

He walks like the beast in Beauty and the Beast.

[Stugotz]

That foot does not work. Right. And that's as low as his heel comes to the asphalt right there. Because, because the, the, the other, the five toes have just lapsed into rigor mortis.

[Andrew Hawkins]

Yeah, that's you. And you could tell he has a good foot and a bad foot. Like his left foot is clearly his like good foot. He'll take that sock off. Whereas right one looks like he has a rubber band double knotted right under his knee. And all the veins are just rushing. The blood is just sitting there.

[Tony]

Hawk, if you look, if we zoom out, what do you think he's doing right there? Right, because you only see him on the asphalt. Do you know what he's doing there?

[Andrew Hawkins]

A car of some sort. I don't know.

[Stugotz]

Maybe he is. You're going to be shocked by.

[Andrew Hawkins]

I feel like that's a hose right there.

[Stugotz]

No, you're going to be shocked by my answer right there. And you wouldn't have guessed it.

[Tony]

Should we, should we give him the answer? Should we show the picture in full?

[Stugotz]

I want, I want to just give.

[Mike Ryan]

Him the answer because I could give.

[Stugotz]

Him a million guesses and he would not answer what I'm about to say, which is what Greg Cody is doing. Right. There is no lie. Frying a turkey.

[Andrew Hawkins]

Okay, that's. Yeah. It would have took me a while Thanksgiving to get there and fry a turkey. Barefoot on the concrete, on his, in.

[Stugotz]

His garage, in front of his garage.

[Andrew Hawkins]

But I, I don't want to typecast, but.

[Tony]

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[Andrew Hawkins]

Don LeBatard if Daniel Day Lewis did.

[Stugotz]

It, you'd be jerking off all over yourself.

[Mike Ryan]

Oh, come on.

[Chris Cody]

Yeah, I would be.

[Tony]

Aggressive description.

[Stugotz]

I mean, what is it? What is that? I'm just saying. No, you're just saying what that's mean.

[Chris Cody]

I see that photo of Daniel Day Lewis looking like Lincoln before he's about to start filming Lincoln, and you know what I do Amin stugats. I jerk off all over myself. That's what I do.

[Mike Ryan]

Lincoln, who you outed the other day.

[Chris Cody]

Don'T make this a rejoin.

[Andrew Hawkins]

This is the Dan lebatar show with the stugats.

[Stugotz]

The other thing that Hawk doesn't know Tony is I saw the look. I saw the glazed look on Hawk's face as you guys made the comment. To the people in our audience who may remember the day that Tony told us about trying out for FIU football, Mike Ryan made the joke. And it's not a joke that Tony would throw you imaginary footballs at this wide receiver camp because as our resident non NFL division best football player on.

[Mike Ryan]

Our crew, okay, Tony's qualifications as our.

[Stugotz]

Best football player is that he tried.

[Mike Ryan]

Out at FIU for quarterback, but in.

[Stugotz]

The tryout, they didn't let him use football. So he was just dropping back and throwing a magic dropping dime.

[Tony]

Here's the story. I'll make it.

[Andrew Hawkins]

Give me the story because I don't want to.

[Tony]

I don't want to get extremely condensed for you. So with the walk on tryouts, what they didn't do is allow us to use footballs because that would take away practice days from the actual team.

[Andrew Hawkins]

Don't want to do that.

[Tony]

So what they did is that's a walk on. Like, let me look at my point.

[Andrew Hawkins]

Exactly.

[Tony]

So I think they just did it off 40 times, which is, you know, whatever. Here. Neither here nor there.

[Andrew Hawkins]

But everybody wants a quarterback with a fast 40. But go ahead, go ahead.

[Tony]

So I was doing my three step, five step. I was doing a quick, quick step, like on a quick slant. So I was working those. But the receivers were getting thrown tennis balls from the wide receiver coach and I had to like stop back and throw, but like nice form. Nothing. Like I had to throw nothing. So it was, it was difficult because of the fact that they didn't let us use the balls because they would have taken the balls from the team.

[Andrew Hawkins]

Yeah, I get it. That, that for sure. We can't take away from the actual football players, you know, to give you a shot at being one of the scout players. But I will say that's not a good sign that they saw you without a football and didn't think you had the ability to do so. But you, you definitely can assess a quarterback without a football. Did you play quarterback in high school? Yeah. What were you. Gimme your stats. Give me your stat line your senior year.

[Tony]

Oh no, I didn't play my senior year.

[Andrew Hawkins]

Okay. That old tale.

[Tony]

No, I ended up playing basketball. I left, I left football to play basketball.

[Andrew Hawkins]

Were you licking your hands before the imaginary football?

[Chris Cody]

Did you lick your fingers?

[Andrew Hawkins]

Why didn't you go for tight end?

[Tony]

I, I should have probably.

[Andrew Hawkins]

Yeah.

[Chris Cody]

Like Buck Ortega.

[Andrew Hawkins]

You might be in the NFL had you.

[Tony]

If I would have buckled down in high school and played like, I could have done. I could have done something.

[Stugotz]

Here we go.

[Andrew Hawkins]

Buckle, buckle down and played is a crazy sentence. You like, you can buckle down if you're already playing and be like, you know what, I got to take this.

[Tony]

If I played, if I played tight.

[Andrew Hawkins]

End in order to, if you had to buckle down to even sign up.

[Tony]

No, I was playing quarterback. If I would have buckled out and played tight end from the jump.

[Andrew Hawkins]

You didn't play years.

[Tony]

Correct. Cuz I, I ended up staying to.

[Chris Cody]

Play basketball and 10 day Tony, I mean it was the right decision.

[Tony]

Moniker's the reason.

[Chris Cody]

Yeah, right decision. This shot is dripping wet. But I do see the point about being a tight end. There's a. The league is chock full of guys that have made the switch from quarterback to tight end at a very successful rate. Guys that never played tight end even in college, go into the league and all of a sudden are successful. And he's got a pretty decent tight end build.

[Andrew Hawkins]

He's got a good build for it. He hit the weight room, he'd probably be super jacked. He's probably pretty athletic since he's a basketball player. I love to convert basketball players who have size to tight end because it's Another one of those positions that we can get you going relatively.

[Mike Ryan]

Just to be clear, we're making the allegation here that if Tony had buckled.

[Andrew Hawkins]

Down and signed up. Yep.

[Tony]

Well, again, sign up wasn't the issue.

[Mike Ryan]

I'm not finished.

[Stugotz]

We're making the allegation here that if.

[Mike Ryan]

Tony had buckled down, he'd be the.

[Stugotz]

Immortal Mark Andrews, that he'd be running through a secondary.

[Chris Cody]

Buck Ortega.

[Andrew Hawkins]

He didn't.

[Tony]

He didn't say Mark Andrews. He said he could have made something of himself. And I agree with that.

[Andrew Hawkins]

I think he could have made something of himself. I think if had he played tight end, you would not describe him as the best in show non NFL football player, a part of the Meadowlark universe. You would just say former college football player.

[Mike Ryan]

Tony, your camp, your wide receiver workshop.

[Andrew Hawkins]

It wasn't my camp. I gotta correct that. It was Chad Ochocinco's camp who I came to help out.

[Mike Ryan]

I was surprised to hear you say though that Ocho Cinco was your favorite.

[Andrew Hawkins]

Oh yeah.

[Mike Ryan]

Your favorite, favorite number one NFL player ever.

[Andrew Hawkins]

Yeah, no, he was, he was a really. Because I grew up a Bengals fan because my brother played there and they had really, really rough years. And I remember he was like, yeah, we got this rookie watch. He's going to be a household name. And no one knew about him. And so he would bring me these one on one tapes of him and TJ Hirschmanzada. So I would just, just study these things. I would get home from school, throw them in the DVD player, which was a thing that played movies back in the day, throw them in the DVD player. And I would just watch these one on ones all day and I would just be like, man. So then I would go to OTAs every once in a while and they would let me sit there and I'd watch them do one on ones. And Chad was like, I'm talking about. You talk about footwork and all the things people give me credit for. At his size, his ability to come out of breaks, his ability to change his speed, his understanding of the game, he really was a technician. And I just like, his personality brought a bunch of positive vibes to a market in the NFL, which is really hard to have people talk about, especially at that time. And so that whole kind of receiver personality, it doesn't all come from him, obviously. He was also influenced by the Dion's and other people. But that receiver personality we talk of today, a lot of that comes from Chad.

[Mike Ryan]

So he was your favorite, at least in part because he was Behaving in a way that you weren't quite allowed to. Right? Like, you. You weren't. You weren't qu. Good enough. And I mean this as no insult whatsoever.

[Andrew Hawkins]

That is a hard way to start that statement. But go ahead.

[Mike Ryan]

I mean, you were good enough to play in the pros, but to carry yourself in the pros as if you made $15 million.

[Andrew Hawkins]

I don't know. Shoot. Go ahead, I guess.

[Mike Ryan]

Did you carry yourself with a flamboyant arrogance that would bring the attention of your own coaches? That would be viewed as disruptive, I would imagine. When you're saying that wide receiver personality, he was doing that on steroids.

[Andrew Hawkins]

Yeah, but I was in high school at the time, so by the time I got old, you grow out of it. It's like. It's like Mike Ryan's hip hop phase, right? Like, it's like when you first get into it. I love this thing, right? Then over time, it, like, you know, you water it down a little bit.

[Tony]

A lot of bit.

[Chris Cody]

I can't follow this. I'm just as insulted as you were at Dan's intro.

[Andrew Hawkins]

You know, when you talking about when Mike had his hair blonde and he was calling himself the real slim.

[Chris Cody]

Shit, I did have an Eminem poster.

[Andrew Hawkins]

When he was 16. You know, you get to the pros and say, okay, I can't do this at work. I can't do this at work. Chad could, but in high school, that bravado of, like, oh, okay, I put a lot of work in, and then I go out here and I tell somebody what I'm going to do, and I make them. It did fuel a lot of that generation. I think even the receivers today. I'll give you this other tidbit. Tight end. You works because of the personality profile of tight ends. This is a group of guys that want to get together, have a beer, let's work simple people at the wide receiver workout, you know, I mean, they're amazing athletes. They work hard, you know, but they're jumping in their Rolls Royces. They put the shades on immediately, put 10 chains on, and go do their thing. It's just a completely different personality profile. And that personality profile, in a lot of ways comes from Ocho Cinco. So in my opinion, he is kind of like the godfather of the wide receiver position on and off the field, because he encapsulates, like, the receivers before him who he has a major connection to. And he's like the oldest receiver that the new generation of receivers still know, love, and have a lot of respect. For and know a lot of information about. Well, you mentioned. That's rare.

[Mike Ryan]

You mentioned something you can't do at work or the idea of things that you can't do at work. And I wanted your guidance on something that Mike Ryan's been doing at work for a while now.

[Andrew Hawkins]

Hey, if this would be an HR question, please don't get me involved. I don't. I would not like to be a.

[Mike Ryan]

It might be an HR question. It's been.

[Chris Cody]

It's jerking off.

[Mike Ryan]

It's been a complaint that's been filed against Mike Ryan here in the morning, and every morning. It is. It is not jerking off. Thank you for nothing. In fact, you know what? Hold on.

[Andrew Hawkins]

Then the club.

[Mike Ryan]

Let's just get him out of here.

[Andrew Hawkins]

Come on.

[Chris Cody]

Minor penalty two retaliation to get shot.

[Mike Ryan]

Mike Bryant. Why are you leaving?

[Chris Cody]

You want to talk about me after I'm gone?

[Mike Ryan]

That's Mike Ryan. I wanted.

[Chris Cody]

I thought it was like an NHL thing where I. What is that penalty for you into one great.

[Andrew Hawkins]

A great joke penalty. When do we add that? I've been gone that long.

[Chris Cody]

I thought it was funny.

[Andrew Hawkins]

Great comedic timing is a penalty in this place.

[Mike Ryan]

Creating. Depends on who it is creating that visual. That particular visual. That one is the one I want out of the room right now.

[Andrew Hawkins]

Immediately.

[Chris Cody]

Don LeBatard to US residents.

[Stugotz]

Oh, wow.

[Andrew Hawkins]

It's in there.

[Stugotz]

Better, I think.

[Chris Cody]

I haven't been practicing stugats.

[Stugotz]

I didn't realize we had a substitute. Complicated legacy.

[Andrew Hawkins]

Brought to by headquarter Toyota.

[Tony]

441 Power Line Road. Second down to nine.

[Andrew Hawkins]

This is the Dan Lebatar show with the stugats.

[Mike Ryan]

The thing that I was asking you, though that may indeed be an HR violation that has been complained about here by other employees, is Mike Ryan coming in and playing his own music during the first hour while people are having breakfast and stuff that people are milling in.

[Andrew Hawkins]

Okay.

[Mike Ryan]

And today he chose satanic music. That's what he was playing at 8 o' clock in the morning in here. And my question to you is, if there's a guy in the locker room who's playing music that the other guys in the locker room object to, how does that situation get handled?

[Andrew Hawkins]

How does it play out?

[Mike Ryan]

Because HR isn't really a thing in the NFL.

[Andrew Hawkins]

Not in locker rooms. No, man. HR is kind of handled like in the locker room. It's like, turn that off. Yeah. It's like, can. Can the person play. It's a very simple question. Can the person playing the music whoop you? Right. Because there's. There's no, but it's like prison and the guards ain't gonna get here quick enough to save you. So how. How confident do you feel in walking up to this person and telling them to shut his music to hell off? Okay, that's going to escalate. So you got to be able to assess that.

[Mike Ryan]

But that. That itself would be a human resources violation to come up to somebody aggress music and try to fight them.

[Andrew Hawkins]

You're trying to put the lens of.

[Tony]

You're trying to put the lens of corporate America into the NFL locker room. It doesn't matter what the. Which HR says.

[Andrew Hawkins]

Yeah, I mean, it's. And also, you don't come maybe with that aggression out the gate, but you got to know that's where it's going in an NFL locker room, you know, every single thing can and will escalate to that.

[Mike Ryan]

Let's go ahead and actually tease out that hypothetical, because I do imagine NFL teams do have human resources. So take me through like the D tackle going to human resources to complain about the edge rusher playing the music too loud to go to go to.

[Stugotz]

Go take that to whoever it is is representing hr, the head of hr.

[Mike Ryan]

Would there even.

[Stugotz]

Is there. Is there human resources in the locker room? Is that. Can that be available to somebody to complain about one of the other 52 guys?

[Andrew Hawkins]

No, I don't think that that's a thing. I think anytime you even got any even, like, residue from something similar is like the Richie incognito situation with the guy that said he was being Jonathan Martin. Yeah, Jonathan Martin. And I think like, that played out. That all started with music. I don't think it started with music. I think it was like, where do you go when you're getting picked? Like an NFL locker room? It is straight up. You gotta handle it. I don't want to make the like equivalent to prison, but it kind of is that mentality where these are the toughest people in the country. Like, you have to be tough to play this sport. Doesn't mean you're the toughest guy. But if you don't feel like you can go to somebody and really be like, yo, I think your music is like, you'll turn it off, or, hey, will you turn that off? No, I'm not turning it off. All right, so what's next? Are you going to be okay with that? Or are you going to say, well, turn it off, or we got an issue?

[Mike Ryan]

Well, none of this solves our particular dilemma.

[Andrew Hawkins]

No, but you asked me how it's handled in A lot.

[Mike Ryan]

So how. So what do I do here about the fact that this morning at 8am satanic music was being played? I didn't ask him, anybody, what their thoughts on it was.

[Andrew Hawkins]

I didn't know.

[Mike Ryan]

I didn't know it was satanic music until it was pointed out to me. But put it on the poll at Lebatard show. Is no.

[Stugotz]

Is playing satanic music at the office an HR violation?

[Mike Ryan]

Yes or no at Lebitard show. Mike, do you wish to clue us in or was it yesterday's information about the satanic concert that you're going to?

[Chris Cody]

I mean, it's not always satanic music. That's a recent binge I've been on. But it is part of my creative process. It has been for 20 years. I used to play CDs at the old 790 studios.

[Andrew Hawkins]

I don't like it.

[Chris Cody]

Used to play music in the old Clevelander Studios. That's how I. I ramp myself up for my particular line of work, which is creative. And sometimes it's good vibes, sometimes it doesn't necessarily mesh with the room. But it is what it is for 20 years, and that's what it's gonna be.

[Andrew Hawkins]

You know what is as I. If you're gonna be at the mercy of the vibes of Mike. Every morning, which. Every morning I've been in here, Mike plays music. This is the first I'm hearing about an HR violation. And it's pretty eclectic, you know, and it's across the board. You can't. Then all of a sudden, I don't like this particular music. Now we go to hr.

[Mike Ryan]

Oh, religious. So he's got freedom of religious beliefs with his satanic music. Because he was wandering around here the other day asking whether or not someone can be not a Satan worshiper while enjoying satanic music.

[Andrew Hawkins]

Yeah, I know people that listen to the gospel that aren't Christians. You know, it's good. It's. It's good vibes. And if you like good vibes, get it. If you like bad vibes, Mike's gonna get. Now, I'm not a fan of satanic music. No, for sure.

[Chris Cody]

That's all right.

[Andrew Hawkins]

It's not for everybody. And I'm not here.

[Chris Cody]

It wasn't for me until I'm not.

[Andrew Hawkins]

Here frequently enough to give Mike the locker room treatment of, hey, I don't wanna listen to that every morning. Turn it off. And then Mike says, I ain't turning nothing off. And then I say, you gonna turn that music off or you gonna be hearing ringing in your Damn ears. By the time I this is how the locker room handles it. So if you got an issue, I think you go locker room.

[Mike Ryan]

How often would you escalate to that point in an NFL locker room? How often?

[Andrew Hawkins]

It's only happened a couple of times.

[Mike Ryan]

But it did happen to you.

[Andrew Hawkins]

A couple. There's no way you could play in the NFL for a long period of time and you not get to the point where you want to fight. It's just, it's a part of it. Like, get into it with coaches. Typically with me, it would only rear its head if it got in the way of. Of me doing my job right. So if I am studying for plays and I got a rookie who's like playing music loud in camp and I got a roommate or something, and it's like, okay, now it's worth it. Because either if I go and I mess up tomorrow and I get cut, I'm gonna be mad that I didn't fight you for turning this music off because I didn't learn my plays. So, like, if it gets in the way of the money, then, yeah, you gotta do what you gotta do.

[Mike Ryan]

Can you actually take me through what you imagine would happen in the hypothetical I'm proposing, which the defensive tackle goes and asks to file a human resources complaint against the edge rusher. What's happening next in that locker room Once people find that out, once people find out that it's not being handled in the locker room by the locker room, that now corporate America has made its way into the huddle and we have a human resources problem. Because you have to. To keep in mind, I'm going to go ahead and say that every NFL team probably has a pretty expansive human resources arm for all their other employees.

[Stugotz]

Because of all of the people being employed by the average NFL team. But I'm guessing the players are never using that option. And if I wander around the locker room and ask, do you guys know who human resources is here? Do you guys know who to go complain to if you have some sort of violation or workplace violation that you do not like?

[Andrew Hawkins]

I'm picturing an email. This is not appreciating the vibe of the music. Please. This is a ridiculous hypothetical. Like, it's, it's. It's. The. The human resources are. Is the head coach. That's who the human resource department is. And that only gets escalated if human.

[Tony]

Resources are right here.

[Chris Cody]

And here's I.

[Andrew Hawkins]

Right here. Exactly. Right hand is what It's RH department. So I don't think that that's Even a thing. Listen, we, we shower in a room, 40 people at once together. That's a human resource violation.

[Chris Cody]

These are point.

[Andrew Hawkins]

I hate it. So I'm like, don't give corporate like equivalencies to places where everyone is just cool with it. Like, oh yeah, these are millionaires. Some of them worth hundreds of millions of dollars. And where do they shower? A foot away from the next person and they use the same soap. That's ridiculous. That's gotta be an HR issue. It doesn't make any sense. You know, like separate the showers, give the common decency. Otherwise it's like, okay, this is the environment that we're fostering here. So we can't expect to have a real HR department for NFL football players.

[Chris Cody]

You can't have an HR department when Greg Williams is telling you to take off the head of the snake.

[Andrew Hawkins]

Cut off the head of the snake.

[Chris Cody]

All right, boys, we're gonna talk about.

[Andrew Hawkins]

That would be a great study. How many HR violations actually happen on a day to day basis in NFL locker rooms and meeting rooms?

[Mike Ryan]

How is it possible that Andrew Hawkins is sitting here with all of the words at his disposal in all of the language that's at his disposal and you say the phrase, I don't want to compare it to a prison. While comparing it to a prison twice.

[Andrew Hawkins]

Soap. I could.

[Chris Cody]

The showers tell me it's body gel.

[Andrew Hawkins]

It's just like it's, I'm, it's. There's no other thing that I can compare it to because everything is just handled in itself and nobody on the outside cares. That's the point. Like you don't actually care about the, how someone is being treated at prison. No one ever talks about it. You know, like there's a lot of going on in there. It's not as bad as prison. Trust me. I understand that. That's why I don't want to compare it. Yeah, you have loofahs, but there's like a couple of things that, like in the sense that. Yeah, that's not normal. Wait, do you have 40 people having the shower together is not normal. And any other. If I told you that was happening at the, the, the, the, the heat arena, like for like the people working in the front office, you'd be like, whoa, wait a minute, man. That's. Somebody should, somebody should do something about this.

[Chris Cody]

Quick question. Is it BYOL or do they have community loofahs or is it a non loofah?

[Andrew Hawkins]

I think it's cultural. I think like some places have water cloths for the Black players, because statistically, the white guys don't use washcloths. It's not their thing. Some people have their own loofahs. Even the body product, people use it. Like, black men shave different than white men. And that's been like, an innovation in.

[Chris Cody]

Like, against the grain. What are we talking about?

[Andrew Hawkins]

You know, like, you use straight razors. A lot of black men don't use straight razors. We use clippers. And so it was like a conversation that we've had in locker rooms with teams to say, hey, hey, you're giving us these bics. We don't use bics to shave. That's not how our. Our people do it. Because we get razor bumps. Because our hair is a little more coarse, you know, and it grows in curls.

[Mike Ryan]

Racially biased.

[Stugotz]

The razors were racially biased.

[Andrew Hawkins]

Yeah, they were, Chris.

[Chris Cody]

And I use the. The clippers.

[Andrew Hawkins]

I'm blacker than I thought. There you go. It's the red injury. Well, I've heard that that's a thing in. In recent. Recent conversation.

[Stugotz]

So, yeah, it's in recent conversations. Let's be clear on the claim that he's making. You've heard that redheads. Redheads are black.

[Andrew Hawkins]

It was a trending.

[Chris Cody]

He is a good dancer.

[Andrew Hawkins]

It makes sense. A lot going on. Look, see?

[Tony]

Does he do a salsa dance?

[Andrew Hawkins]

That's something.

[Stugotz]

It's funny that you should mention that because I didn't know whether to point out the other day, this delighted me. Frankie, our security guy, I was delighted to go through the gym, see him on the treadmill, and he was doing salsa on the treadmill instead of walking. Walking or running. He was. He was doing.

[Chris Cody]

Gotta work the hips out, Dan.

[Mike Ryan]

That's the thing.

[Tony]

You gotta get those hips going.

[Andrew Hawkins]

What kind of life are you living?

[Stugotz]

It made me happy for him. He look. He made exercise look happier than I imagined it.

[Andrew Hawkins]

I like that.

[Stugotz]

So Hawkins came in today and he was excited to talk about what we spent too much time talking about yesterday, which is that Florida Panthers enforcer who beat up a guy on the golf course. And I was thinking about on the way home how bad your odds have to be in terms of being the drunk guy who's holding up people behind you and find that the people behind you have an NH NHL enforcer in their group. What were your thoughts here on this video?

[Andrew Hawkins]

Oh, man, it was. This is the most satisfying video I think I've watched all year, you know, And I. Because I'm like. Had no context for it. And the dude is like. He's peacocking and I'm thinking, like, oh, okay, I like that tactic. Scare him into not. What? Like, this guy might be crazy. He might walk off, but then he attacks, and I'm like, whoa, that was a. He must be a really good fighter. He must really trust himself with the fisticuffs. And the result couldn't have been more opposite. And every bang that he said and every punch that he threw made the video that much more satisfying to throw. That toss at the end, the throwing him in a pond and then the toss at the end. I mean, that's peak cinema right there.

[Mike Ryan]

I mean, he went.

[Stugotz]

The drunk guy who got thrown went.

[Mike Ryan]

Home and had streak marks on his.

[Stugotz]

Side from how far he had gone on the ground after being thrown. Just coming back a second, though, I do want to just one time go back and check out his friend. Check out the friend.

[Chris Cody]

Great job on the video department here. Frame by frame.

[Tony]

He's like three feet off the ground there.

[Chris Cody]

He looks like Don Bateman Bailey in the carpet right now.

[Andrew Hawkins]

That is whiplash headaches.

[Chris Cody]

Great job.

[Andrew Hawkins]

His shoulders separated. He bounced.

[Stugotz]

He bounced.

[Andrew Hawkins]

He bounced off the ground, bro.

[Chris Cody]

Get the bounce. Get the moment. He bounces off the ground. There it is.

[Andrew Hawkins]

Yes. Like, if you even get it back to where he pulls him and he kind of does, like, a kick step to, like, gain the momentum like a shot putter, like, that is not his first time.

[Chris Cody]

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