Local Hour: There's a Typhoon In Miami

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz Episode: Local Hour: There's a Typhoon In Miami
Release Date: April 29, 2025

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Introduction to Miami's Turbulent Playoffs

In this episode of The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz, the hosts dive deep into the tumultuous Miami sports scene, focusing primarily on the Miami Heat's disheartening performance in the ongoing playoffs. Tensions run high as the team faces unprecedented losses, sparking intense discussions among the hosts about the franchise's future and the broader implications for South Florida sports enthusiasts.

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Historic Playoff Collapse

Stugotz kicks off the conversation by highlighting the severity of the Heat's playoff woes:

"This feels like the end of all things. It doesn't mean that they won't go get a whale or Antetokounmpo or Embiid or somebody, but it felt like the whole thing collapsed."
[01:13]

Billy Corben adds context by comparing the current situation to past disappointments:

"Playoffs are over for one of the teams."
[01:40]

The hosts reference a particularly devastating playoff game where the Heat were down by 55 points—a loss that ranks as the fifth worst in NBA history. Greg Cody underscores the magnitude of the defeat:

"They were down 60 at one point. It took Nikola Jovic having like a hot streak at the end... that's approaching the worst loss in NBA history."
[08:03]

Stugotz emphasizes the unique nature of the loss:

"The first time that a team has lost back-to-back playoff games by more than 30 points, and they did it at home."
[07:31]

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Analyzing Player Performances and Team Dynamics

The discussion shifts to individual player performances and their impact on the game's outcome. Billy Corben reflects on the minimal contribution from key players:

"Jimmy Butler scored 27 points after you've just watched Bam and Tyler Herro do what they did... I missed out Heat calamity."
[02:25]

Stugotz criticizes the lack of effort and execution:

"I've never seen a Heat team playing as if it didn't want to get on a flight."
[21:40]

The hosts delve into Jimmy Butler's role, debating his leadership and physical endurance. Greg Cody questions the sustainability of Butler's performance:

"The bet for the rest of this season is the Heat saying he can't do it for 13 more victories and Golden State saying, we'll give you an extension to do it for 13 more victories."
[15:59]

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Organizational Decisions and Future Outlook

A significant portion of the conversation centers on the Miami Heat's management decisions, particularly under Pat Riley's leadership. Jeremy Tache critiques the franchise's reluctance to make aggressive moves compared to other teams:

"Miami stood pat. Everywhere around you, you saw teams make the move to get better. Miami stood pat."
[37:53]

Greg Cody defends Pat Riley, arguing that expectations might be misplaced:

"I would defy any of you guys to tell me, what's the deal that he turned down or he mismanaged, what's the bad decision?"
[34:45]

Stugotz expresses frustration over the lack of impactful changes:

"We're seeing what's played out over the last, I don't know, six months... if you give the ball to Tyler Herro, he'll be an All-Star."
[19:19]

The hosts speculate on potential roster changes and the feasibility of turning the Heat's fortunes around:

"This is what happens every single year. Every single year. It's not done, Dan. It's going to continue."
[18:52]

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Fan Sentiment and Cultural Shifts

The episode also touches upon the shifting fan sentiment and the cultural impact within the Miami sports community. Zaslow discusses the perceived disconnect between the team's performance and fan expectations:

"They know the series isn't winnable early on, so they don't think it's worth the trouble to put in maximum effort."
[22:00]

Jessica offers a contrasting perspective, emphasizing resilience and the potential for future success:

"I think that it would be fair to look at the end of this run... if everyone cares, this will spark change."
[17:48]

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Concluding Remarks: Punctuation of an Era

As the episode wraps up, the hosts reflect on whether the current playoff collapse signifies the end of an era for the Miami Heat. Stugotz metaphorically describes the situation:

"The punctuation, oh, it wasn't Pat Riley culture for 15 years. Jimmy took that with him."
[17:05]

Greg Cody brings the focus back to the Cleveland Cavaliers' resurgence, positioning them as a formidable force in contrast to the beleaguered Heat:

"Cleveland since then has rebuilt into something that I don't recognize... they are so much better than a 10 seed and probably the only real challenger in the east to Boston."
[32:00]

The episode culminates in a somber acknowledgment of the Heat's struggles, leaving listeners contemplating the future trajectory of the franchise and the broader South Florida sports landscape.

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Notable Quotes

• Greg Cody on historic losses:

  "It's the first time that a team has lost back to back playoff games by more than 30 points, and they did it at home."
  [07:31]

• Billy Corben on playoff overperformance:

  "This is the Dan Levator show with the Stugotz podcast."
  [05:13]
  (Note: Likely part of an advertisement; excluding non-content quotes as per instructions.)

• Stugotz on team collapse:

  "The whole thing collapsed."
  [01:13]

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Conclusion

This episode of The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz offers a candid and critical examination of the Miami Heat's disastrous playoff performance. Through detailed analysis, historical comparisons, and passionate discussions, the hosts paint a comprehensive picture of a franchise at a crossroads. Listeners gain insight into the myriad factors contributing to the Heat's downfall, from player performances to management decisions, and are left pondering the future of Miami's beloved team.

Transcript

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[Stugotz]

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[Mike Ryan]

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[Stugotz]

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[Stugotz]

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[Stugotz]

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[Stugotz]

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[Greg Cody]

Shadow Show.

[Stugotz]

Shadow Show.

[Greg Cody]

Shadow Show.

[Stugotz]

Shadow Show. Shadowing it. Shadowing it. Billy, traffic was super bad today, so you were able to miss everything that broke out before you got here on just hockey, enthusiasms and oh, man, I missed out heat, calamity. And there were a lot of people bouncing into each other, yelling at each other, and we're four games into the playoffs.

[Billy Corben]

Well, playoffs are over for one of the teams.

[Stugotz]

That is correct. That's part of what's happening. And the other thing that's happening, though, is that after a really magical, like, truly magical. Seems like the loudest sound I've ever heard in South Florida. 11 seconds of Panthers hockey. There was a brawl in here in which a bunch of people were arguing about whether Marshand had a good game last night or not. And it was just a strange argument to break out. And I think it's because everybody's crazy.

[Billy Corben]

It's weird. I mean, everybody needs to kind of keep their heads on straight and realize this is going exactly as the script foretold Panthers covered last night, as we said they would. Panthers are up 3:1 in the series, as we expected them to be. He were out in the most lopsided playoff series in the history of the NBA, as we were told yesterday would be the Case by Greg Cody. Crazy things are happening exactly as we said they would. So I don't know why people are getting crazy. Like this is level headed. We're just, this is the script and.

[Greg Cody]

We'Re following it even crazier. Greg Cody was in the building last night for the game and stayed the entire time.

[Billy Corben]

Wow.

[Greg Cody]

Yeah.

[Stugotz]

Greg Cody said as the resident South Florida historian that that's the worst playoff game of any kind played in South Florid since Dan Marino retired his final game because he was losing 62 to 7 in Jacksonville in a playoff game. That, that's the, that that's the most apocalyptic thing. And beyond that, I guess probably a lot of people will be here for tears today. That feels like the end of all things. It doesn't mean that they won't go get a whale or antetokounmpo or embiid or somebody, but it felt like the whole thing collapsed. As you watch the Celtics, you know, they were even with the Celtics. The Celtics have expand beyond them and the Heat are now a 10 seed. And that's what happens when you allow 10 seeds to play a team that won 60 games during the season. A 10 seed shouldn't be in the playoffs. Why?

[Greg Cody]

Because it's a 10 seed, Dan. They tipped the ball off and they were down 20. Like I saw the ref go like this, throw the ball up in the air and I looked at the scoreboard and the 20 to 5.

[Stugotz]

I'll tell you how much of the game I watched last night. I tuned in, it was 30 to 8 and I turned it off.

[Greg Cody]

No, your parents were there.

[Stugotz]

They were. My father was caught on the Jumbotron.

[Greg Cody]

Eating during the bongo segment. You know, like they put the fake bongos on the screen and everyone's supposed to play the bongos. Your father was eating during that.

[Stugotz]

My father often gets caught eating by the Jumbotron because he's often eating. Mike, are you okay? Because you came off, but you came, you flew through the room. All right? You yelled bleep Pearl Jam. And Talladega's the best. And so you're just, you're a bit of a power cable today.

[Jeremy Tache]

I'm only gonna speak when spoken to today. I feel like everyone's trying to trigger me and get a rise out of me. And I am, I have thoughts, I have opinions, but I'm going to, I'm going to ration my, my reps today, so.

[Stugotz]

Okay.

[Jeremy Tache]

Thank you for including me on the show.

[Stugotz]

I appreciate it. All right, well, you were. Look, we're four Games in. And I heard for the first time in our history as a show, somebody was accused of chirping. And so now I knew the hockey playoffs had really begun because, well, I'm going to reveal my source. You accusing someone else.

[Jeremy Tache]

Don't, don't. Don't say that part. Don't, don't. The dirty dong part. Don't do that one.

[Stugotz]

No, I didn't. I was chirping.

[Jeremy Tache]

I was gonna blank. And a dirty dong is not something I would say. I don't use that kind of jocular language anywhere. I knew it as soon as I said as well. Allegedly didn't say anything else like, Dan's gonna reveal this and this is gonna be a bad look for me.

[Billy Corben]

This is the Dan Levator show with the Stugats podcast.

[Stugotz]

Zaslo will fit right in around here. He's already arriving late to work on important days. But I did hear him as he was late for work. He was very busy talking to the starting lineup on NBA Radio with Frank Isola and Brian Scalabrini. So he was busy doing another job that made him late for this one. So he'll fit right in here. He's very excited about everything that happened that was Panther related last night, as he should be. But I begin with what Greg Cody foretold.

[Greg Cody]

Oh, my gosh.

[Stugotz]

The most lopsided basketball series of all time. Ernie Johnson said, this might be the worst game I've watched. Do you know how much basketball that man has watched? You have Cody saying it's the worst loss since Marino goes out 62 to 7. You've got Donovan Mitchell saying, we had to finish our breakfast, which is just a great quote. They came in here up 3, 0, and at the half they're up by a million points. And he's telling the team, we've got to finish our breakfast. We got lunch and dinner later in these playoffs. Let's get rid of breakfast. These sauces. But the thing that happened, that was my single lowest moment in the last 15 years of heat basketball is hearing on the radio, laughing broadcasters of the Cleveland Cavaliers saying, Ty Jerome hits a jump shot at the buzzer from half court. And they're laughing and it's. And to make it 111, 63. And then this was the lowest moment. Ty Jerome, a typhoon in Miami. And I'm like, that's it. The heater done. 15 years of wonderful heat done over. Dies in a typhoon as a 10 seed.

[Greg Cody]

Shout out to Tim Alcorn. Play by play man for Cleveland Cavaliers radio. No, Dan, it was Incredible because you mentioned that play and somehow the Cavs extended the lead after that. Every single quarter it got worse. We kept waiting for like, okay, you're up a zillion. And then at some point, like the bench guys get in and then the bench guys are like, oh, I gotta prove to Coach Spo I deserve to play. And it got worse. We were joking last night, said it took the heat getting down 50 for Duncan Robinson and Jaime Jacquez to get in. And then they managed to play worse than the guys that they replaced.

[Stugotz]

So this is the historic stuff that happened. The 122 points, the largest difference ever in a four game series. The 122 point differential between the Cavs and the Heat. The 55 point loss, it's fifth worst in the history of the sport. And it's the first time that a team has lost back to back games by more than 30, playoffs games by more than 30 points. And they did it at home. Like, it's not just that it happened, it's the first time it's ever happened, but it happened to them at home. So that is the worst punctuation on a Heat season there has ever been.

[Greg Cody]

Dan, they were down 60 at one point. It took Nikola Jovic having like a hot streak at the end. He had a couple threes, had a put back layup. That's what got it to 55. At one point they were down 60, which would have been the largest playoff loss in NBA history. And also, and also it was approaching the worst loss in NBA history, which I'll give you three guesses who has that one, who has that record? It's a local team. They lost by 68 because I heard Eric Reid talk about it on the air. He was talking about, I remember that game, 1991. He went into great detail how they lost by 68.

[Stugotz]

Do you know the indignity and insult it is that Ernie Johnson has called as much basketball as he has and he says that that's the worst thing that he's ever seen.

[Billy Corben]

Can we remember feeling though? Like, can we bottle up this feeling that we're feeling today and remember this in the off season when there will be trade speculation and everyone under the sun will be fighting to get to the Heat and every superstar Giannis will want to come here and Kevin Durant will want to come here and everyone will want to come here in our heads and we will decide, you know what, we don't want to part ways with Alec Burks to get, you know, Kevin Durant. We don't want to part ways with Davion Mitchell because we don't want to get rid of Duncan Robinson and Tyler here. Like, can we remember today? And remember, this team just wasn't good enough, and you need to get rid of some pieces to bring people in.

[Stugotz]

Okay, so last night feels bad for the Typhoon. And then you watch Jimmy Butler limp through a playoff Jimmy game, and he scores 27 points after you've just watched Bam and Tyler Herro do what they did. 17 points on whatever, 23 shots. But can you put up on the screen, please? Or just put up behind me where Spoelstra is right now. Can you guys just put up on the screen my father being caught in mid bite on the Jumbotron last night. This has happened to him a handful of times. And what is the level of shame here? Because, Jeremy, you are a resident aficionado of putting your fingers in your mouth when you have cheese crumbs on them.

[Jessica]

Yeah, but his fingers aren't in his mouth in the same way. He's clearly eating some sort of food that's in his hand. And so that's just a clean exchange as opposed to what I did, which was just like really disgustingly scrape salt and vinegar seasoning off of my finger.

[Dan LeBatard]

I'm pretty good at this. That's a cookie he's eating.

[Billy Corben]

Yeah, I can tell.

[Jessica]

Yeah, that must be a cookie.

[Greg Cody]

The grip, right?

[Dan LeBatard]

Cookie grip.

[Stugotz]

Dazzler, you can come in now that you've had makeup done. And, Billy, just out of curiosity, as everything was going on last night, were you dying? With the Dodgers beating your Marlins in extra innings, were you able to last until the very last embers of the evening?

[Billy Corben]

No, no, no. West. I'm not about. I'm not about the west coast baseball games, and I'm on the East Coast.

[Stugotz]

Even if it's the Dodgers. Even if your Marlins are. No, I have scrappy.

[Billy Corben]

No, no, no. I have no intention of watching the. The Dodgers pummel the Marlins. I saw the Dane train hit a grand slam last night, which is great. Yeah, but extra innings on the west coast game. No, no, no. These west coast trips, they do a number on me. Dan's first Seattle, now Los Angeles. Let's get back to the Eastern.

[Stugotz]

All right, let's put it on the poll at Le Batard show. Do you want to watch ET Extra innings? West coast baseball. Just yes or no is the question.

[Zaslow]

Hey, guys.

[Stugotz]

Welcome to Zaslo. He is late. How did it go on the starting lineup with Frank Isola and Brian Scalabrine? Where I heard Scalabrini say Giannis for 60 tonight. Giannis. He expects Giannis to have a 60 point game. It's one of the most asinine things I've ever heard. To ever expect someone to have a 60 point.

[Zaslow]

Okay, that doesn't make me late. I didn't go to the starting lineup in studio. Like you weren't on your car phone.

[Stugotz]

You weren't. I heard you stationary.

[Zaslow]

I heard I was absolutely on my car phone. I wasn't in the studio with starting lineup.

[Greg Cody]

You got. Zaz has got some, some affluence now, the ESPN deal. He's got a car, Dan, where it's very soundproof.

[Zaslow]

So my driver had me on speaker in the car.

[Stugotz]

Yeah, it was, it really was professional sounding studio for someone who was in his car. But okay, regardless, you were late and he's excited because there aren't a lot of things I don't think that you can do in 11 seconds. And I saw them happen a couple of times during last night' Panthers game night. I. Who was it that was quoted after the game? Was it Seth Jones who was saying, I could feel the hatred on the ice, I could feel the hatred in the locker room.

[Zaslow]

It's the best sport like that. Like what other sports do, they still talk like that? It's why I've loved these NBA playoffs, cuz the team seem to be hating each other this year. But it's always like that with the hockey. They hate each other.

[Greg Cody]

I was going to say, did you see Dylan Brooks and Drayon Green last night?

[Zaslow]

No. It's been good. It's been good.

[Greg Cody]

Don't like each other, man.

[Zaslow]

It's been good.

[Stugotz]

Well, the Warriors Rockets thing is interesting for a lot of reasons, but one of them is, hey, the Rockets were better than Golden State the entire season when you had Jimmy Butler no longer better. That's the difference. And that's what Golden State did for Curry that made all of us believe that Jalen Green and the Rockets weren't ready for what it takes at this time of year.

[Greg Cody]

To be fair, Dan, to be fair, warriors with Jimmy Butler alone, I don't think they're better than the Rockets. Warriors with Jimmy Butler who's found the joy. Hmm, hold on now. He found the joy, ladies and gentlemen. And that's a difference maker right there because he was phenomenal last time. That rebound he got at the end.

[Stugotz]

Four guys. That's four guys he's getting a rebound from. As Draymond Green is telling Jaylen, as Draymond is telling Jaylon, go paint your nails. Because there's a generational difference there between what's happening with Draymond and what's happening with Jaylen Green. And Jalen Green is saying, what was Draymond doing out there? He was just talking. That's all he can do. He doesn't do much of anything else. Draymond is emboldened in voice right now because he's got Jimmy at his back.

[Greg Cody]

It was. I mean, it was. It's the exact level of intensity that you would expect from a combination of guys like that. The. I mean, there were so many moments last night I was thinking about the Jimmy Butler rebound and I said, how many rebounds in NBA history can you remember? Like a rebound that stood out.

[Zaslow]

It's bosh, but rebound, bosh back out to Allen, his three pointer.

[Stugotz]

Bang, bang. Oh, different time. So pathetic. That sounds so pathetic today after what just happened. You two sound pathetic. Like you. Go ahead.

[Jeremy Tache]

Go where we do the.

[Jessica]

Do you believe in miracles? Yes, we do calls all the time. Come on. We're allowed to reminisce on the glory days.

[Stugotz]

Not today. Not everyone is here to eat your tears because this is as embarrassing as the Heat have been in 15 years. Like flat the hard stop.

[Greg Cody]

Does the bosh rebound stand out if the shot doesn't follow it? Well, no, that's my point. That rebound stands alone. It's not because. And then someone else hit a great shot. It's no, because he grabbed the rebound and that's it. That's what I'm talking about when I say, how many rebounds can you remember that stand alone for the simple act of the rebound itself.

[Zaslow]

Why does Jimmy Butler after the game say, I found my joy. I got my joy back, as they say. No, not as they say.

[Greg Cody]

You said that, Jimmy. You said that.

[Stugotz]

The thing that's interesting about this and it's why it's such a cool thing to watch the gas pedal pressed on it. Jimmy Draymond. Steph, can you do it 12 more times? Can you do. It's just 12 games. The hot streak you had at the end of the regular season. Can you put it together right now? I guess it's 13 more times, right? Can you do it 13 more times? Will Jimmy's body hold up? If that's what it looks like. And win number three. And that's what it takes. It's going to take the road of. The Rockets are going to be the easiest thing you see. And the road they have when. Because they got in on the play in game and they didn't get the rest and everything else the road they have makes it physically harder for that team to make it through. Like the Clippers and some of these old teams, specifically because of what's being asked of Jimmy at this pace. Like, the bet for the rest of this season is the Heat saying he can't do it for 13 more victories and Golden State saying, we'll give you an extension to do it for 13 more victories.

[Zaslow]

Well, I don't think the Heat were saying they don't believe that he could do it for, you know, throughout this year's playoffs, they were saying he can't do it through the year 2028. Right. Isn't that what the Heat were saying in getting rid of him?

[Greg Cody]

They were saying that. And also they don't believe that he wants to do it here anymore. That's right. Like the part about 2028 is last summer when they're like, I don't know if I want to sign that extension. Right. The part where they traded him is where it's like, oh, he's not going to do that here anymore.

[Stugotz]

Do you guys understand, though, why that night as punctuation for the last 15 years. And I understand you can hope that they'll get someone else, but this feels like the tires blowing off of the vehicle. Everything quits at the end. Whatever it is that you thought of annoying Billy for how many years with culture, culture, culture ground to a big puff of dust, as everyone now believes. The punctuation, oh, it wasn't riley culture for 15 years. Jimmy took that with him. And look at how it plays now, late night television in Golden State. Because it is something that the crazy can take with him. And it wasn't about your team or your organization or your principals. It was about the guy who now plays for a different champion.

[Jessica]

I do think even if there's a downturn here for. Even if it was a few years, that all comes back if, if and when they're competitive again. Because I think everyone's forgetting 10 and 31 and some of those teams that were really kind of dreadful to watch with a bunch of veterans that, you know, were just kind of floating around the league and Kelly Olenek and Deon Waiters and Rodney Magruder. Like, there were a bunch of years there where they were competing to get to the playoffs. Same sort of thing. And then Jimmy Butler showed up and you paired him with Bam and Tyler and everything went from there. So I think that it would be fair to look at the end of this run and That's a punctuation. You guys are six years.

[Stugotz]

Can you do me the favor. Do me the favor of just curling up in a fetal position somewhere out in the studio, somewhere else on the floor. And when I want your heat analysis, I'll go to it. Curling up in the fetal position, so at the very least, I can hear your positivity and absorb your positivity. As somebody who's broken today, Billy, why are you making faces at Jeremy?

[Billy Corben]

And in general, you guys don't know yourselves whatsoever. Like, you're saying this today because it's the day after the season ended on April 29, and sure enough, opening night next year, you will have convinced yourself that the Heat are serious contenders and they're going to make a run and this is their year. And culture. And the Godfather fixed it. And Pat Riley this and Pat Riley that. And it'll probably be largely the same roster. Maybe you'll bring in one or two different pieces. But this is how. This is. This is how Bam is saying, major.

[Stugotz]

Changes in the losing locker room. Bam saying, we know. Major changes.

[Billy Corben]

You're the major change that needs to go. Bam. Like, by the way, so. So we're on here. Major changes. Pack your up and go. If you're. If you're really about this culture, do the best thing for the culture and leave because you're not good enough.

[Zaslow]

Well, shouldn't he at least wait for them to trade him?

[Stugotz]

No.

[Zaslow]

Just leave or nothing.

[Billy Corben]

No, Lloyd is better than Bam at this point in time, honestly. But I'm telling you, remember April 29th. I want that to be just, Guys, let this be our calling sign. Remember April 29th, because next year, come October 24th, we're going to be talking about this Heat team and how. I like what they're doing here. I like what they did here in the offseason. It's what happens every single year. Every single year. It's not done, Dan. It's going to continue.

[Stugotz]

I want to explore something with you guys, though, here, because wherever the mental frailties in this sport reside, such that they are okay, Jimmy has burnt through in Minnesota, Minnesota and Philadelphia. And here an assortment of Ben Simmons's and Andrew Wiggins and Karl Anthony Towns, where he's more. What, He's a better player, but more of a bleep hole as well. Wherever the. Wherever the alpha shit is, he gets to Miami. And now we see what's played out over the last, I don't know, six months. And it is revealed to all of us that if you give the ball To Tyler Herro. He'll be an all Star and he'll get better, and that's what your team will look like and revealed to all. Like, oh, that's where Bam's lim are. None of those guys will carry you to anything. We didn't think Jimmy would, but Jimmy burned through a mean. And I want you to explain sort of what's happening there with competition, with toughness and crazy people about competition, where Jimmy's burning through a line of teammates to get to something higher and revealing in his wake. Oh, I don't think Karl Anthony Towns is as tough as he needs to be. Eric Wiggins is as tough as he needs to be, or Simmons is as tough as he needs to be, or Bam is as tough as he needs to be.

[Greg Cody]

But he was right on. That's the thing in the moment, everyone's like, oh, what a jerk. Get him out of here. But at the end of it, we look back and maybe Bam. Bam's got an opportunity to change that perception. But all those other names, he looked back and said, oh, shit, he was 100% on point. These guys weren't talking.

[Stugotz]

Bam doesn't have the ability to change that perception. Bam is now a formed player. This is the best Bam will be.

[Greg Cody]

It's not about. About being a better player. It's about a level of toughness and leadership that is expected and needed from him. That was the thing that was surprising me last night as I sat there and I watched every second of that off. Or.

[Stugotz]

Or suppose saying afterward, we showed resilience and character.

[Greg Cody]

No, no, they didn't.

[Stugotz]

But I'm saying, suppose, saying afterward that they showed resilience and character this season.

[Zaslow]

Yeah, like I think he meant specifically. They lost 10 in a row, and they still managed to make sure.

[Greg Cody]

Sure. But last night there was no resilience. None whatsoever. Not from the opening tip. Not. I mean, there were moments early in the first half. It's a big deficit. I get it. But this NBA, you get a couple threes, all of a sudden, it's not a big deficit. And the way they were playing was 1, 2, 3, Cancun.

[Stugotz]

I've never. I've never seen a Heat team playing as if it didn't want to get on a flight. I've never seen that before.

[Greg Cody]

Then it will go to. It will be erased in history. No one will remember this, but there was a play where Max Struus, sideline, out of bounds, inbounds, the ball steps right in. They pass it right back to him. There's not A single heat player within 30 miles of him. He's wide open for three. He misses the three, so it won't be remembered. But it's just like, what are we doing here? At what point does execution on the defensive end effort, making the extra rotation, making the extra effort for all those things went out the window. And they went out the window very early in that game.

[Stugotz]

It was 30 to 8.

[Zaslow]

I mean, look, we. I think we kind of knew that, or at least I felt, going into the game yesterday, we were going to learn a little bit about this Heat team. What I mean by that is not that they're. Not that we're going to learn, oh, can they win the game? Okay, send the series back to Cleveland. But we're going to learn a little bit about this version of the Heat because if you get down early, they all know they're not winning the series. Maybe they win the game, they're not winning the suit. They know that. Okay? So we're going to learn a little bit about this team where if they get down early, which do they start thinking to themselves, all right, is it even worth trying to put a thousand percent effort to get back in this game, then to just get on a plane for one more game and get killed in Cleveland? Like, we're going to learn a little bit about this team. And we did learn, which was, yeah, we don't really think it's worth the trouble then.

[Greg Cody]

That's the part that's different, right? Yeah. Because every.

[Zaslow]

That's also what's going to spark the change.

[Greg Cody]

Sure.

[Zaslow]

The change that the fan base has wanted. Like, I'm. I don't know that I want to sit here and do silver lining today. Okay. But losing that game by one point yesterday is not the way to go into the off season. Like, the Heat fan has wanted this change. And now you got Bam Adebayo sitting there post game saying, the guy with the silver hair, he's going to make major change.

[Stugotz]

Like, yeah, who is he talking about? Who is he talking about?

[Greg Cody]

Spo. That guy Use a lot of Zaslow, Billy.

[Stugotz]

I don't know how I am to feel about this. That was an excellent rant by Zaslow about learning about the Heat team. I heard it first on the starting lineup. Frank guys, Sola and Brian Scalabrine on the way in. It's a good take, but it's the second time I'm hearing it today.

[Billy Corben]

You got to bring fresh stuff as, like, I was walking in a Big Mac. The parking attendant downstairs, you know what he told me?

[Zaslow]

What did he mean to you? Did he hear my appearance as well?

[Billy Corben]

No, he didn't. But he told me spo out of touch.

[Greg Cody]

Yep.

[Dan LeBatard]

We got to get that guy, Mike.

[Billy Corben]

Big Mac. I get a point.

[Stugotz]

He wants Greer out too.

[Billy Corben]

Oh yeah. Every day he tells me about Greer.

[Zaslow]

He hates Greer.

[Dan LeBatard]

I get like a nice little 10 second show every day. Walk by, little fist.

[Billy Corben]

Love Big Mac.

[Stugotz]

We all do.

[Billy Corben]

He was so excited about the draft, Dan.

[Stugotz]

Yes, he was. But he wants Greer out and he didn't like a fullback. But can we get him? Can we get a camera and a microphone down to Mac?

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[Jeremy Tache]

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[Stugotz]

Don LeBatard, you're a big disappointment.

[Mike Ryan]

Paul Pierce My I'm only upset right now that I don't get to do this in person.

[Greg Cody]

Paul Pierce how disappointed is it to be a Miami fan right now?

[Stugotz]

St.

[Mike Ryan]

Brother, actually, you make a really great point.

[Billy Corben]

This is the Dan Levatar show with the Stugats.

[Stugotz]

Mike, you've been very patient. I want all of your Panther thoughts in a moment, but first, let's Just go up to Jeremy in a curled up fetal position. Because as Zaz goes. Silver lining. This is what you want in Heat fans. No, no, he fans want. Oh my God, there is Jeremy broken today because the Miami Heat. I don't know why we didn't start with a sad song or a eulogy because I can't remember the last time it felt this bad around here.

[Jessica]

I feel broken and have never wanted to. To retreat into myself more. To look inward.

[Greg Cody]

Inward.

[Dan LeBatard]

Thought he was gonna say a star.

[Billy Corben]

Careful, Jeremy.

[Jessica]

To. To examine why. Why I.

[Zaslow]

Am the way that I am.

[Billy Corben]

Can you hurry up a little bit? Jesus Christ, man.

[Stugotz]

Do you think that what you're doing is so dramatically good that people are just waiting with anticipation for what you're going to say next?

[Greg Cody]

I blame the bed.

[Billy Corben]

Aren't you supposed to be impartial and a member of the media? Why would you be sad today?

[Jessica]

Because Dan Lebatard has ruined all of my credibility and my ability to get another job anywhere else for the rest of my life. So I really hope that one day I get to sign a contract that says I work here.

[Stugotz]

Can you turn his microphone down, please? Because the people want to hear from him today. Broken and tears. And the Heat fans around here hide sometimes. So, Mike Ryan, you were right about all Heat things two or three years ago. I don't know what we can castigate you on. You sort of predicted that all of this was coming. You wanted bam out of here a long time ago. The Damian Lillard thing has been a disaster in Milwaukee and I don't even know if he's going to play next year. So is he? Is he going to play next year?

[Greg Cody]

He ruptured his Achilles. He's not going to play next year.

[Stugotz]

Okay, so. So whatever it is that the Miami Heat are doing probably centers around Giannis now. But you take no comfort from being right on this one.

[Jeremy Tache]

No, because we. I feel like I wasted two years of my prime. These are good title celebration years. I mean, I can't even imagine how an 80 year old pat Riley feels. I mean, it was wasted time. From their approach two off seasons ago, we knew this day would come. We knew that they weren't good enough and we wasted two years watching them go through this exercise and it was an embarrassment. And by the way, they lost to Cleveland, who took their lunch money several years ago in acquiring Donovan Mitchell. They also found a way to get Donovan Mitchell to extend while to Billy's point, he fans were saying, no, no, no, it's alright, he's gonna Sign over here. He's gonna sign over. Look at the hat that he was wearing. He was with Bam. And we're doing the same pathetic exercise. By the way, Donovan Mitchell develops under Kenny Atkinson in a way that if he did under spo, we would not shut up about it.

[Stugotz]

And that team, that team under Atkinson.

[Jeremy Tache]

What they did, and Cleveland somehow even avoids what. What was another calling card of Heat culture, which is, oh, that guy can do it here, but he can't do it anywhere. The Struz deal has been fine for them. It hasn't been a deal that they regret. It's been a nice piece for the team that they've been building. So when I'm sitting on my couch, finally able to watch a Heat game because it's on tnt and I'm jealous of the way that the Cleveland Cavaliers have built their franchise and have bullied my president around, I mean, what else do you need? It smacked you hard in the face, smacked you harder in the face, and it smacked any team in the playoff history.

[Stugotz]

Zaslo. When you look at the architecture of the Miami Heat and missing the last few years on the people they've missed on, and quantifiably. Right, like this part, I'm saying all the time because we saw it at the bubble, at the rim. It was Bam and Tatum. And since then, the franchises have gone in totally opposite directions. Where now the Celtics are the ones who have Peyton Pritchard. What is that? How does that happen that way? And as Mike said, it's not just Max Strus. Gabe Vincent ends up in LA that doesn't end up working. Caleb Martin never ends up being what it is that he was here. But the people who took the things they learned here, LeBron took them to Cleveland. And Cleveland since then has rebuilt into something that I don't recognize since sort of before LeBron when it was Brad Dougherty. Like, before LeBron. A different time in Cavs method. There are only a couple times that the Cavs have been really good. Good. Like, good where you, ooh, they can win a championship. Good. And now's one of them. Like, the four guys they got. They didn't need Garland to do that to the Heat the last two games. That's like, they are so much better than a 10 seed and probably the only real challenger in the east to. To Boston. I know Orlando, like, gives them more of a fit than any team in the league because they haven't been tested the last two championship runs. Orlando somehow prevents Boston from making its three. But at the end of the game the other night. I mean, where it's Bankero and Wagner trying to beat Tatum and Brown. Orlando falls at the finish line.

[Greg Cody]

Well, so a couple of things there, right? There's a. There's a lot there. Let's start with Pat Riley, quote, unquote, hasn't done a good job or whatever to me, when I hear you guys say that a lot, because you have an expectation that Pat Riley can go, abracadabra, got you a superstar. But I would defy any of you guys to tell me, what's the deal that he turned down or he mismanaged, what's the bad decision? To me, it's not unlike when the Mavericks kind of broke up their championship team and they had set up all of their ducks in a row to be players in free agency. And then year after year, they kept missing in free agency, and everyone was upset. I'm sorry, like, what do you want, man? Like, at the end of the day, it's free agency. The guy has the agency to go wherever he wants. Same thing here. What do you want? I don't understand. Because they're trying. It's just they don't have the assets and they don't have kind of the. The. The package that some of these other teams can offer. When you talk about the Cleveland Cavaliers, Dan, you're right. This is the best non LeBron Cavs team the Cavs have ever had. That's not hard when you consider their history. They really didn't have a lot of.

[Stugotz]

Success, but they're great. It's not just a great regular season team. They're obviously a great basketball team that can run with okc. They can rebound with anybody. They're tough. They have all the things you need to win a championship.

[Greg Cody]

They do. I talked to Kenny Atkinson during the All Star break, and I said, how striking is it to you that there are a lot of similarities? I'm not saying they are the same thing, but there are a lot of similarities between Kenny Atkinson coming to the Cavs and 10 years ago, Steve Kirk coming to the warriors, where Steve Kerr came to a Warriors team, then won 50 games and been in the playoffs and got knocked out in the second round. And everyone was like, okay, it's a nice little team, but I mean, you're never going to win a championship that way. Right? And we kind of said the same things about the Cavs. And then a coach comes in and says, wait, I know I'm replacing someone who was successful here, whether it's Mark Jackson or J.B. bickerstaff. But what if we do it this way and all of a sudden it unlocks something that takes them from. We're a nice little team to. Oh, no. Oh, we're ass kickers.

[Zaslow]

I mean, didn't that also happen with Golden State when.

[Greg Cody]

That's what I'm saying. Took over Steve and Steve Martin. Yeah. Steve Martin was a prop.

[Stugotz]

Were you not listening? You were staring right at him. And I heard him say that. And you were focused on Kenny Atkins. You know what? I've got to get rid of. Zaz is really playing the Stugon.

[Billy Corben]

Gotta hit with the Iceman later.

[Stugotz]

Let's see. Hold on a second. Let me get rid of him. How do I do this?

[Greg Cody]

All right, let's go.

[Zaslow]

Minor penalty, two minutes. Delay a show.

[Billy Corben]

Yeah. No.

[Stugotz]

And also this one. Hold on a second. It's gonna be four minutes. Because he was staring right at you. Said Steve Kerr focused. No, you weren't very focused. You got here late today, and you gave all your good stuff to the starting lineup.

[Billy Corben]

Minor penalty, two minutes for not listening.

[Stugotz]

So that's four minutes total. He was staring right at you. I don't know what it is.

[Greg Cody]

It was. It was literally the point I was making.

[Stugotz]

Yes. I don't. It's. It's literally.

[Greg Cody]

I literally said Mark Jackson and JB vi. It's just.

[Stugotz]

It's flabbergasting and disrespectful. What you did there, you shouldn't be paid for.

[Greg Cody]

I kind of wish he was on his phone or something. Then I could lie.

[Stugotz]

He was staring right at you. That seat is so good at nodding while not listening. Mike Ryan, you were saying.

[Jeremy Tache]

Well, I guess to close my point, Amin asked the question, what's the deal that they passed up on? I think you could look at some of the linked targets and say, Lillard, that ended up working out for you. Bradley Beal, that ended up working out. Out for you. Joel Embiid, although that's kind of like a tangential thing that ends up working out for you. But I think that there's plenty, like in Donovan Mitchell a couple of times. Kevin Durant a few times, James Harden a few times. Jrue Holiday, which was essentially a byproduct of your ego and your whole approach to Damian Lillard. And by the way, we don't really know how the Damian Lillard thing goes down here, so I think that there's been plenty of missed opportunities. And two, your original question, who's to blame for these expectations? Pat Riley. Pat Riley is to blame for these expectations. He literally goes in front of the media and talks about whale hunting. He has built his whole franchise around. Yes, there's been the recent thing of player development, but the business plan down here has always been getting big time stars. That's how he wins.

[Greg Cody]

I didn't ask about whose fault is it the expectations. I asked, where did they miss that.

[Jeremy Tache]

They might step in that the other teams inside. My whole issue with how the Miami Heat have been approaching the last two seasons is they were very much a middle of the pack Eastern Conference team. And seemingly everybody that they were competing against was out there making more aggressive moves. Some of them cashed in, like Boston. Some of them flamed out, like Daryl Morey in Philadelphia. But everywhere around you, you saw teams make the move. You saw teams make the move to get better. See even Siakam. Like, there's so many of these players that could have helped Miami and all the other teams in that pack made moves to get better. Miami stood pat.

[Greg Cody]

You think. You think they were like, hey, do you guys want Siakam?

[Lehman]

How did the Heat culture look last night? Oh, my God, what a delicious game this morning, Dan. I'm drinking Heat tears for breakfast.

[Stugotz]

They're brown.

[Lehman]

I was going to print out a picture of Ryan Cortez and put it on a Flanagan's cup, but then you said you needed me 20 minutes earlier, so I didn't have time to do that. But that's what I'm drinking this morning is Heat tears.

[Stugotz]

They're brown. Why are they brown? That looks like a dark drink.

[Jeremy Tache]

Very Latino down here.

[Billy Corben]

Dehydrated.

[Stugotz]

How are you feeling in general about watching them lose that way? Were you delighted or were you in Lehman? Because he, as a Knicks fan, he's obligated to be at least a little bit of a Heat hater, correct?

[Lehman]

Oh, he. He despises the Heat, Dan. But when the Heat game ended, I said, well, the warriors play next. What if Jimmy Butler has a big night? That would be even more interesting. Add some insult to injury, perhaps. And then Jimmy Butler scored 27 points. And did I sleep through most of it? Yes. Draymond Green shenanigans in there, too. But it was amazing. I saw a stat this morning, Dan. The warriors are 25 and 8 when Jimmy Butler plays. What an amazing pickup for the warriors. And, ooh, halftime, 72 to 33 for the Heat. Not great.

[Stugotz]

I want to talk about the Heat with her. But also, there's so much encompassed under the umbrella of Draymond Green Shenanigans like Draymond Green Playoff shenanigans. I mean, we're in round one, and honest to God, it's like rolling a grenade on the court with this person.

[Greg Cody]

I'm going to be honest, that felt more like Dillon Brooks. Playoff shenanigans. Draymond Green actually was kind of mostly tame last night. It was Dylan Brooks just being an absolute agitator. And to Draymond Green's credit, he didn't take the bait. Right. Like they wanted him. Oh, wow, we've got a portrait of sad Ryan Cortez in the background. Shout out to Lehman.

[Stugotz]

Good work by Lehman there. That was producing Jessica. Just how much did you enjoy it? What did you enjoy the most? Because I'm saying that Ty Jerome hitting a three from half court and the Cleveland announcer yelling, it's a typhoon in Miami, while they laughed uproariously.

[Zaslow]

Funny.

[Stugotz]

Come on. It is funny. It is funny.

[Lehman]

I think, Dan, the funniest part was I was eating dinner at a restaurant and I was like, I'll check the score on my ESPN app and see what it is.

[Lucy]

And it was.

[Lehman]

Was 43 to 17 at halftime. That was the funniest part. 43 to 17. And I sat there and I ordered another drink. I said, margarita's on the house tonight. I'm drinking. This is the funniest thing that I have ever seen. And honestly, Dan, Dan, the fact that your father was there and your mother, that is elder abuse. You should not have let them go.

[Dan LeBatard]

I love how everyone has, like, their moment of the score they checked in on. Because I had one, I checked in. It was like 66 to 22 or something like that. I'm just like, stupidest game.

[Greg Cody]

Let me tell you, how to entertain yourself at a game like that is just wondering. I wonder if they can do this. So for me, it always starts with, I wonder if they can double them up. Then once that happens, I wonder if they can get it to 30 before half. And then you get a point. They're like, last night they were down 70 to 25. And I said, I wonder if they can triple them.

[Zaslow]

At halftime, I asked myself, can they win by 100?

[Stugotz]

Do you guys realize in the history of both playoff mask basketball and numbers, there were numbers on that scoreboard. There were numbers on that scoreboard that have never been on that scoreboard before.

[Greg Cody]

Dad, you're going to love this. There is a national writer who. National writers, I should say, who were at the game last night. I'm not going to name who they were, but they lamented at one point in the second Half. I missed the diff. If you don't know. In Cleveland, on their scoreboard at all times, they have have the difference. They call it the diff.

[Zaslow]

It's on their television broadcast.

[Greg Cody]

Now they're putting the broadcast too right. And it's there at all times. It's not like something they bring up. Oh, look at the spread. They always tell you what it is. And I just looked there and I said, this is the failure of the American public school education system because you guys can't even do the simple math. To which the rebuttal was. The score's never been this big, though. They've never had to deal with numbers like this, Dan.

[Lehman]

I mean, I asked Lehman at one point, I'm like, what's 17 plus 38? I need to do some quick math here. I'll give you one more number, Dan. I'll give you one more number.

[Stugotz]

Four.

[Lehman]

That's how many points Tyler Herro had.

[Greg Cody]

Oh, my God, he was awful. He was awful.

[Stugotz]

Whittingham. Mike Ryan is presently sending video a betting slip from Whittingham last night on a bet he cashed. I want to see what this number is. Heat plus what? At some point, live in game. Because I will say it again. In the history of basketball and numbers on that scoreboard, there were absolutely numbers, a variety of different scores that have never been there before. There's no way that he'd have played a game where that. That was the halftime score before. That's not a thing that's happened before.

[Zaslow]

I saw at one point, at halftime, the live odds were 40 and a half. I mean, obviously they ended up covering it Cleveland, but can you imagine? You're looking like, yeah, I'm going to take -40 and a half. And you know what?

[Stugotz]

You were a winner. No, you could have done. You could have done minus. You could have done minus more than that.

[Jessica]

I think what's crazy about Jess is that she didn't even tell you guys about me preemptively texting her during the third quarter of last game, looking for any sort of ammo that she had against you guys hating sports. Because I knew the tongue lashing that I was going to take today and.

[Lehman]

I did not cooperate. Jeremy, shame on you. I did not participate in that. Because you should feel bad and you should feel ashamed, Jeremy, because you said that this team would be successful because of, and I quote, the power of friendship.

[Jessica]

Well, that was before the season.

[Stugotz]

What I did.

[Jessica]

I did say that.

[Billy Corben]

Wait, that's a quote.

[Jessica]

I said the power of friendship.

[Stugotz]

You Guys don't listen to him when.

[Lehman]

He talks, but sometimes, yeah, of course they don't.

[Dan LeBatard]

Crazy.

[Billy Corben]

Well, he also told us, if I remember correctly, before the season, that Jimmy Butler was going to play like 90% of the games. And he was really playing to go into it because he had a contract coming up and he was really going to show a different Jimmy this year. He did.

[Stugotz]

He did. Kind of show was going to be Jimmy Butler.

[Jessica]

Well, that was the name of a group chat. That's different.

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[Zaslow]

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