Local Hour: We Apologize To No One

Summary

The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz

Local Hour: We Apologize To No One

Date: October 7, 2025
Recorded at: Elser Hotel, Downtown Miami

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Overview

In this episode's "Local Hour," Dan Le Batard, Stugotz, and the crew gather at the Elser Hotel to blend their signature mix of Miami-centric sports talk, playful team banter, and deep dives into the NFL and NHL storylines. The episode’s central theme revolves around skepticism and confusion in the modern sports media era: what’s real, what’s hype, and how digital technology (including AI and social media fakes) can shape or even trick the way we see athletes and teams. The panel also revels in the pride of the recently-cemented Panthers NHL dynasty and dives into detailed, debate-rich analysis of the Jaguars-Chiefs NFL game, highlighting moments of brilliance, sloppiness, and the pure unpredictability of sports.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Being Fooled By the Internet & AI (00:00–04:02)

• The crew laughs about how easy it has become to be "fooled" by deepfakes and misinformation online, even among themselves.
  • Dan: “We could fool Greg [Cody] with AI videos, like George Washington hitting a grand slam.” (01:00)
  • Mike tells a story about mistaking fake social media accounts for real NBA personalities, showing how the line between real and fake is blurrier than ever.
  • The team reflects on losing trust in formerly reliable sources (“Remember when you could trust a verified account on X?” – Mike, 01:34).

2. The Florida Panthers: South Florida’s NHL Dynasty (04:10–08:53)

• Still surprised by the reality, Dan notes, “Has Panthers dynasty been good for the NHL?” seeing it on a national TV chyron feels surreal (04:47).
• The team discusses the meaning and impact of the Panthers’ recent championship rings, emblazoned with the phrase, “We Apologize To No One,” referring back to a boozy Sam Bennett quote that became a franchise rallying cry.
  • Dan paraphrasing the motto: “We’re the double champs, we do what the [bleep] we want. Let’s go.” (07:03)
• The special nature of building a dynasty far from traditional hockey hotbeds is explored, with continued amazement at the Panthers’ depth and resilience.
  • Mike: “Expansion is great for the league… absolutely great for the league.” (05:37)

3. Depth, Grit, and the Champions’ Edge in Hockey (08:53–11:44)

• The panel discusses how championship teams in hockey are uniquely hard to dethrone due to the “mettle” and physical sacrifice required.
• Comparisons are made to other sports and franchises, noting the Panthers’ transformation from one of pro sports’ worst-run organizations to a dominant, respected club.
  • Dan: “They have to be taken out, not just fade away—they’re greedy once they taste [a championship].” (09:36)
  • The performance and legacy of players like Pavel Bure and why he should have his jersey retired are highlighted.

4. NFL Breakdown: Jaguars vs. Chiefs, Trevor Lawrence & the Jags’ Ceiling (11:44–32:56)

– Game Analysis & Wild Moments (13:33–24:09)

• The Jaguars’ unpredictability and talent are dissected, including Trevor Lawrence’s (“T-Law”) knack for both brilliance and questionable decision-making.
  • Dan: “He is the only quarterback in the League who flips his hair over his shoulder before taking the snap.” (21:19)
• Devin Lloyd’s standout defensive play is spotlighted:
  • Mike: “Devin Lloyd to read Patrick Mahomes’ mind… then to run 99 yards for the touchdown—that’s a season-changing type of play.” (22:04)
  • Jeremy: “He’s swung their win probability by 42 percentage points in that moment—more than double the next closest defender.” (23:16)

– Turnover Luck or Defensive Skill? (29:50–32:44)

• The analysts debate whether the Jags’ 14 takeaways in five games are luck or skill, raising questions about whether turnover rate and one-score wins are sustainable over the season.
  • Dan: “Last year [the Jags] had nine takeaways in 17 games, already 14 this year. Do you think that’s real?” (29:50)
  • Greg Cody: “That’s not repetitive. You can’t have that pace all season.” (30:26)
  • Mike/Panel: “Their turnovers come from real plays, not fluky bounces—so maybe the defense is for real.” (31:26–31:39)

– Chiefs’ Performance, Jaguars’ Luck, and Playoff Prospects (32:44–39:16)

• Greg critiques Kansas City for gifting the game to Jacksonville through penalties and defensive errors.
  • “Jacksonville was gifted… I have seldom seen the championship-era Chiefs under Andy Reid look like they did last night.” (27:41)
• The group assigns letter grades, with most settling on a C+ for the Jags—good, but not convincing; debate ensues on whether they’re a true Super Bowl threat.

5. Dolphins Despair & Sportswriting Honesty (39:16–44:26)

• Greg Cody is playfully shamed for both his lateness and “emotional” Miami Dolphins analysis, most of which gets revealed to be lifted directly from his column.
  • Billy reading Cody’s column: “A starving man will beg, borrow or steal for food. A Miami Dolphins fan should be able to relate this season when it comes to the hunger for winning…” (39:49)
  • Dan: “All of your writing is tinted with the emotions of how does this affect me?” (40:24)
• Cody’s full bandwagon-jump-off is noted as a turning point, linking his shifting takes to both the Dolphins collapse and the fortunes of his own personal picks that week.

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Notable Quotes and Moments

• Dan on Deepfakes & Social Media Trust:

  • “When you guys come in every day and you have to verify things seven different ways, because you guys are now getting fooled, too, by the internet…” (01:14)

• Mike on AI Social Media Chaos:

  • “It was stacking on fakedom… and everybody was fake. Every. Everybody was fake.” (02:15)

• On Panthers Rings & Motto:

  • “They got their rings… They’re perfect. They’re the perfect team for today’s America because they put stenciled on the ring: We apologize to no one.” (05:01)

• Greg Cody on Jaguars’ Super Bowl Hopes:

  • “Anybody who thinks the Jaguars are a Super Bowl contender is high. You’re high on dope.” (28:45)

• On Trevor Lawrence’s Ups and Downs:

  • “He is the only quarterback in the League who flips his hair over his shoulder before taking the snap…” (21:19)
  • “T-Law. I’ve been calling Trevor Lawrence T-Law for a while. Hasn’t caught on…” (38:39)

• Greg Cody’s Column Exposed:

  • “A starving man will beg, borrow or steal for food. A Miami Dolphins fan should be able to relate this season when it comes to the hunger for winning...” (39:49)
  • “The Dolphin bandwagon is now in a ditch in flames. Thank God there was nobody in it. Even the driver jumped out the window before it careened off into the gully.” (43:08)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• 00:00 – 04:02: Opening banter about lateness, traffic, and being duped by online fakes; setup for the day’s skepticism theme.
• 04:10 – 08:53: Discussion of Panthers Stanley Cup win, new dynasty, and the meaning of their championship rings.
• 13:33 – 24:09: In-depth review of Jaguars-Chiefs (game flow, key plays, Trevor Lawrence’s quirks, Devin Lloyd’s game-turning moment).
• 29:50 – 32:44: Statistical breakdown of the Jaguars’ turnover surge and whether it’s sustainable.
• 39:16 – 44:26: Exposé of Greg Cody’s Dolphins column, Miami sports despair, and comic relief on sports journalism.

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Tone and Style

The episode maintains the Le Batard Show’s trademark: irreverent, self-aware, and Miami-flavored candor. No one is safe from being ribbed—least of all the hosts—while sports analysis, pop-culture references, and meta-commentary on media and fandom keep the energy unpredictable and insightful.

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Summary Takeaway

If you missed this “Local Hour,” you missed a uniquely Le Batard blend: skepticism in the AI era, joy in unlikely dynasties (Panthers), relentless Dolphins self-flagellation, and detailed, laugh-out-loud smart analysis of the NFL week. Ultimately, it’s a meditation on what’s real in sports—dynasties, turnovers, heartbreak—and how, in the chaos, nobody on this show is ever truly sorry.

Transcript

[A]

At this point, I know that we are used to, like, even sunshiny Jeremy Tache coming in with traffic face because South Florida has cars stacked on top of cars. But even you're surprised, Chris, that your dad is late again, right? Like, even you're surprised that we continue to shame him and he continues to not be able to get here on time.

[B]

I want to be surprised, but I also want to be nicer to him. So I'm struggling today.

[A]

Okay, well, this is a good thing for you to be doing. I know you've gotten a lot of complaints on the Greg Cody show feature.

[B]

Can someone else do it? Billy, Rip him for being late.

[A]

Late featuring Greg.

[B]

I've gone to the wrong person.

[C]

I mean, Greg's right about being late, so I don't know how I'm going to rip him, to be honest with you.

[A]

What are you being positive today?

[D]

You're.

[A]

You're. You're being positive, Billy. Ted Lasso Tuesday, because you're still paying off your punishment from last week.

[C]

Nah, it's my thing with Greg. No matter what he does, it's right.

[A]

Don't tell people that. You're going to let them see.

[B]

It was so hidden too much.

[D]

Our show didn't get the show there.

[A]

What are you guys doing? Because I want to play some of these AI videos for Greg and see how many of them he believes, including the one of George Washington hitting a grand slam in the World Series. Like, I want to see how many AI videos we can play for him before he realizes that those aren't real videos. Like, we could fool him pretty easily, right? When you guys are now getting fooled. I feel so much less alone now when you guys come in every day and you have to verify things seven different ways because you guys are now getting fooled, too, by the Internet. What'd you get fooled by this morning, Mike?

[D]

There was a man. Remember when you could trust a verified account on X? What was wrong with that setup? What was wrong with it? I don't get it. But there was. It was like duplicate. It was stacking on fakedom on social media. NBA Sentel posted a screen cap of a purported Draymond green comment on LeBron's doing the thing Again, where he wants everybody to talk about him. More on that in a second from Billy. But Draymond, a fake Draymond left an account, left a comment on the account saying, oh, you're. You're trading Bronnie. And then a fake Bronnie was like, my dad's not trading for you. And I'm like, wow, this is fun. And everybody was fake. Every.

[A]

Everybody was fake.

[D]

It's including NBA sent out.

[A]

So it started with a deep fake and then you just went down the hole and it was just an assortment of other fakes until you couldn't tell what was real.

[D]

Yeah, that's how they get people. When you truly believe something is plausible and, you know you get disappointed. Thankfully you shake it off in about 30 seconds. I must admit, though, I wasn't fooled by George Washington hitting a walk off grand slam.

[B]

I think the key with tricking my dad was you gotta be subtle with it. If we try to position it like, hey, Greg, look like, we just gotta be like, we're all looking at him.

[D]

You've got no shot, okay? Because these are all like, dead people. Like, I think you'll catch on to Stephen Hawkins.

[A]

You don't think we could get him with Stephen Hawking skateboarding?

[E]

I don't think we even need AI. I think we could put my brother in this seat and pretend like it was a grit of death punishment and he would absolutely think it was me for a whole show.

[D]

We should do that. We should do that. We should have your brother in for a full show because it looks like you in a disguise anyways, right?

[A]

No, but his brother goes out of his way the one time I met him to do things sartorially and with his hair and face to be someone who looks different than Jeremy.

[D]

Right, which is why we pretend it's a costume punishment.

[E]

Yeah, it's a Beatles punishment for Jeremy. And that's what it looks like.

[A]

Me. We could do that one day. That should be one of the punishments. We'll find a teacher working only for you. Make your brother come in here one day and. Absolutely. He doesn't talk like you though, Right? I think we can fool him. He knows how. Okay. I think.

[D]

Just be quiet. It's a psychic.

[B]

If you think your family.

[A]

I'm. I'm ashamed to say that I called Amin and Carl yesterday and said we might think about a live stream for LeBron's retirement yesterday.

[D]

You mean Prime Day?

[A]

Yeah, right. He tricked me is what I'm saying. My point is I'm still getting fooled by the most basic things.

[D]

This is the Dan Levator show with the Stugats podcast.

[A]

On the television in here, I can see that Gary Bettman is sitting across from Mike Greenberg. And in a, you know, general commissioner's interview, there are questions like, what has Sidney Crosby meant for the league? But the graphic I just saw. Okay, the graphic I just saw. Is still. And you tell me whether I'm entitled to be able to feel this way or not is still disorienting to me when I see in type across the bottom of the screen. Has Panthers dynasty been good for the NHL?

[D]

It's wild.

[A]

What the. Like, I. I'm still confused by it. They got their rings. They got their rings and they're perfect. They're the perfect team for today's America because they put stenciled on the ring. We apologize to no one.

[B]

I've been so selfish and just thinking about myself. I haven't really thought about that question has this been good for them?

[A]

But they're just saying it. Matter of fact, Panthers dynasty is. That's not. Has it been good for the league? Is a secondary question to me. I'm still looking at Panthers dynasty and I'm like, what? What? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[D]

It's pretty wild. I guess you could do the thing where are there teams where it could be better for the league? And I think that that's absolutely the case.

[B]

If Edmonton had won the last year.

[A]

No, I disagree. No, McDavid, McDavid needing to win is better for the league than McDavid running the league.

[D]

If it's one of those old school, traditional blue, blue blood franchises like the New York Rangers and Big Market, it would be better. But I would say that over the course of this segment, it probably lines up with our new TV contracts that ratings are up with the Panthers atop the sport and have been for some time. I mean, you look at it like some belt teams winning the Stanley cup, you know, like Dallas in 99 and stuff like that. Like this, this is. Expansion is great for the league. They have 32 teams now. So, yes, this is absolutely great for the league.

[B]

I thought at first you were saying it's like if a Sun Belt team won the national championship. I was about to get very offended.

[D]

Middle Tennessee State.

[A]

So the Panthers got their rings and the rings, everyone says they're beautiful. If you want to put that up on the screen and please have ready the Cody is late again cam. So that we can all see walking in. Whenever he walks in, they put a rat. They put a rat on the ring, they put palm trees on the ring and they put the Sam Bennett drunken quote of we apologize to no one, which Sam Bennett didn't even realize that he was giving them their motto after they won the title. But evidently the people in management really liked the drunken debauchery of Sam Bennett going from place to place in South Florida telling everyone for. For Three drunken days that we apologize to no one. I would like to take this time.

[D]

To apologize to absolutely no one.

[A]

We're the double chance. We do what the we want. Let's go.

[B]

They left that part off the ring.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

We do what the bleep we want. That. That's too long. Well, it's only, it's only because it's not the Marlins rings of David Sampson that they don't have room for the rest of that quote on that. That let's go really does sound like the lonely let's go of Jeremy Tache as he tried to get us all fired up that one day. They sound similar. Where Sam Bennett is trying to summon what I thought was real emotion there. But his let's go sounds as the same as the thespian child. Let's go.

[D]

You know it's really cool about today outside of another banner going up in that arena and probably so if you follow the history of this franchise is you looked at the off season that this team had and I think they're already dynastic because they, they won the Eastern Conference a year prior to their first cup. They've been in three straight cup finals. Everyone thought they got a really good shot at three peating here. As good a shot as anyone we've had in our lifetime. And you lose Matthew Tkachuk, arguably your second best player. And you lose Sasha Barkov, arguably the best two way player in hockey. And everyone still has excitement about this season. Let's see, let's see what we can do. Don't let us in the playoffs. Don't let us get into that tournament with our guys healthy. It's a different quest here. It's not let's get home ice. You've seen this team do it anyway. You've seen them reach a cup final as the last seed. You've seen them do it with home ice. You've seen them do it with zero home ice twice. I'm pumped for this season. I'm pumped to see the young guys try to ascend to those levels and it's a really exciting time. Let's go.

[B]

It's such a good point because we've lost our essentially our two best players outside. I mean you could call Bob our best player but and, and nobody's. This team is expected to still kind of compete.

[A]

And that's because of their depth. They have an enormous amount of depth. But it's also, and tell me if you think I have this right. I'll defer to you, Roy, as the hockey historian around here. But generally speaking, when a team wins the title in that sport because of how hard it is, because they're all giving their bodies to the cause in a way that's truly insane in the playoffs in terms of what they're playing through. If you have the mettle to be a champion, it's really hard to take it from a champion that, generally speaking, the champion from the previous year doesn't fizzle out. You have to take it from them. It's not like the year. Correct me if I have this wrong, the Miami Heat win the championship and then the next year with Shaq and Wade, they've cashed in all their chips and you can see that it was so hard for them that that's all they had. But if you have the metal in this sport to get to a championship, you. You taste it and it gets greedy. Do I have that historically right or wrong?

[D]

Well, it hasn't been a three peat since the, the Islanders did it.

[A]

I'm just talking about how champions get dethroned in that sport that you have to knock off a champion the way Ohio State knocks off Miami, where you have to take it from them.

[D]

Yeah, yeah, it's definitely difficult. I mean, the Penguins did. The Lightning is absolutely difficult. It is tough. But recently in the NHL, to Roy's point, you had that weird stretch where it seemed like the Blackhawks and the Kings were just alternating titles and the Blackhawks were dynastic, but they had breaks in between their, their championship wins. I think recent history. It's really tough to make it to three straight Cups. I don't, I, I don't think I was ever alive for the last time a team made four straight Cups. Yeah, this is. And the fact that it's happening in Sunrise, Florida, with what was for most of its existence, arguably not just the worst franchise in hockey, the worst franchise top to bottom. I mean, financially, reach on ice success, probably the worst franchise in sports for a decent stretch there. And now they're running the.

[A]

God, I won't say that as long as the Detroit Lions exist as something that was a 50 year embarrassment that made all its best players quit. But you're wearing a Pavel Burry shirt and Pavel Bures as close they came to winning a playoff game and they didn't. They got swept in the series when they were in the playoffs with what was the best. When they had McDavid. When the Panthers had McDavid, they didn't win a playoff game.

[D]

It's pretty crazy what Pavel Bure did in successive Seasons. When you consider how the rules have changed. Like if Pavel Bure was playing in today's. There's so many things that they did to neutralize Pavel Bure with the rule book, which is why I'm going to cape up for the cause. It's high time that they honor his jersey. He was just. He was the best goal scorer in the league when he was wearing that sweater and he should probably have his jersey retired.

[A]

He was the only nationally relevant because I wouldn't give it to Bobrovsky either. He was the. I'm sorry, I wouldn't give it to Luongo either. He was the only nationally relevant player they ever had before this last championship team in their entire history for 30 years. But when, when you hear Sam Bennett. Can you guys give me the second thing that people shout in sports when they're excited after let's go. Because let's go. Is the runaway hall of Famer. Trevor Lawrence did it. He's shouting in the middle of Duvall yesterday when he's enjoying that, he's, you know, stumbling backward and stumbling forward and giving you the most Jags last drive you will ever see. Except it usually ends with them failing. I'm going to go through the details of that last drive because it's the game winning 60 yard drive you've ever seen for a 41 team because they could have turned the ball over twice on that drive. And at the beginning of the drive. This was great. I expected every part of that game last night to end with the Jags coughing it up at the end when Patrick Mahomes goes down the field, has his first game and I don't know, three years where he's really chucking the ball downfield. Trevor Lawrence starts to drive at his own 40. Okay, because kickers. Kickers. Starts to drive at his own 40 with a minute 45 left. And then I look up and there's a minute left and he's run 6 yards one way and negative 3 yards the other way. And so now they're at the 43 yard line. They've gotten three yards on the first 45 seconds of that drive, but only because he throws a perfect ball to Brian Thomas in double coverage. And he throws another laser beam out because he can do that. Do they get into position? Do you want to put your headset on so you can hear the.

[D]

Stop eating bacon. What are you doing?

[A]

Why are you late again?

[B]

Hear him chewing. My whole life he's been the loudest chewer.

[E]

I thought you wanted to be nice.

[A]

Who eats bacon. Who eats bacon without grabbing a napkin? So you don't have to wipe that on your jeans.

[F]

They're jeans, not dress pants.

[A]

Put it on the poll. At Leitar show. Do you use your jeans for to wipe your hands of bacon? Everybody does at Levitart show.

[D]

Did you say that was Patrick Mahomes, his first game in three years doing that?

[A]

It was. Since the middle of 23. Has he thrown the ball down the field like that? It's it. He hasn't thrown the ball down the field like that. And again, I don't. We don't have to discuss whether or not they're the same offense or not. They have not been since the middle of 2023. That's statistical. I'm not making it up. It's not my opinion. It's not an opinion.

[D]

All right. Well, their offense has been back the last two weeks when they've had their wide receivers back and it sure makes a difference.

[A]

It did make a difference last night, but they lost it late. And let me go through this so that you guys can answer my question on the second thing that athletes shout after let's go when they're excited because the universal let's go is the accepted consensus of what you shout when you're really excited. Tom Brady named his whole slogan. His whole thing is let's effing go. But so this is. You want to guess? Give me the stat of the day here. I'm going to get some dueling stats of the day here to do this.

[D]

Start of the day, start of the day it is the start of the day. Start of the day. Start of the day it is the start of the day. Start of the day. Start of the day. It is the start of the day. Start of the day. Start of the day. It is the start of the day.

[B]

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[A]

I have some nominees for you guys. See if you have any that can knock these off or select one. I'm happy that Greg Cody is here. He is finally a month later than the rest of us. Bailed on the Miami Dolphins. Not sure why that's the one that made it happen, but that's the one that made it happen. He now knows that the season is over. He is now quit on the Miami Dolphins. Billy, if you want to, I'm happy to do scheduled talk on the University of Miami. What schedule Talk if you want to. Yeah, if you want to give me the University not one for scheduled talk.

[C]

But let me look it up.

[A]

I'd like to know what the University of Miami schedule is the rest of the season.

[F]

Sneaky tough.

[A]

We can do win loss on the Miami Hurricane schedule. But the stat of the day that I'm nominating right now to see if you guys can do better than this is go ahead and guess the last time the Chiefs, Bills and Ravens lost on the same weekend. Chiefs, Bills, Ravens, all three lose one weekend. Go ahead and guess when that's 2021.

[D]

Yeah, maybe things got wonky around Covid. Yeah, we're gonna go with COVID Season 1984.

[B]

No.

[A]

2017. Oh wow.

[D]

Wow. Emmett.

[A]

Billy, that's great. It's eight years since they all lost at the same time. The Ravens didn't exist in 84 Cleveland.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

So Billy was wrong.

[B]

Billy and I didn't exist in 84.

[C]

That is true.

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[A]

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[F]

There is actually.

[A]

What?

[D]

Were you not gonna tell anyone? Wait a minute, you guys, Guys, it's a Tuesday St. Here's your guy.

[A]

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[F]

Okay, here it is. Sorry, adultery.

[D]

For this one. This is the D. Levatar show with the St.

[A]

Gods. You want to guess Trevor Lawrence is now in his fifth season. You want to guess how many game winning drives that is for Trevor Lawrence in his fifth season? What he did last night with less than two minutes left.

[D]

Well, he had one in the playoffs against the Chargers that cost me $80,000.

[A]

This includes, this includes the post season. This is fourth quarter and overtime.

[F]

Nine.

[A]

That's exactly right.

[D]

Good job, Greg. That bacon really helped.

[A]

Yeah, of course he knew.

[F]

It's all bacon.

[A]

Of course he knew.

[E]

$80,000 educated.

[D]

Let's just get past that one.

[A]

So it's. It's two a year. Basically you can get from Trevor Lawrence and he is the. I have this right, right. He's the only quarterback in the League who flips his hair over his shoulder before taking the snap because he's got to flip it over.

[D]

Starting Minshew still around.

[A]

Does Minshews go back that far where it goes down below the shoulder pads?

[D]

Minshew could have a high, high and tight and he's still going to do that move. It's muscle memory.

[A]

I didn't trust anything happening with Jacksonville late in that game because their quarterback is a galloping Clydesdale and he does things like fumble on the goal line trying to get a sneak and he does things like trip over his guard's foot at the one yard line so that he falls down. This is almost math. Do you know how big you have to be and clumsy to do what I'm about to say? Fall down from the one yard line on the six yard line, then on the eight yard line again and get up and run it in for a touchdown.

[D]

I understand we want to lead with the quarterbacks, but that game was won by Devin Lloyd. I mean how good have the Chiefs been with Andy Reid as head coach in that red zone area, in that goal line area. They, they do this thing where they know the rule book and they, they have these legal pick plays which should be outlawed by the way. That first touchdown to Travis Kelsey was, I mean nonsense. And for Devin Lloyd to read Patrick Mahomes mind because you can't read eyes at that point. Everything's moving so quickly to know what Patrick Mahomes is going to do there, step in front of the ball intended for juju, Smith, Schuster and then on top of that, display the athleticism. And I think we're all at the point where we thought this guy's going to fumble the ball himself right before the goal line or get it punched out right to run 99 yards after that play. That is a season changing type of play. That, that might be the difference between a home playoff game and not making the playoffs at all. That was certainly the difference in the game. Devin Lloyd, the last couple of weeks I think he's been defensive player of the month.

[F]

Yes.

[D]

An incredible story. Joe Buck and Troy Aikman did so well in highlighting the fact that he entered camp in a position battle. He wasn't, he wasn't gifted that linebacker position even though he was a first round draft pick a couple of years ago. What he has done over the last month has been incredible.

[E]

He should probably be defensive player of the year because you, you look at the impact he's had per Next gen stats. So Devin Lloyd's 99 yard pick six swung their win probability by 2, 42 percentage points in that moment. That's with two minutes to go in the third quarter. It says that Devin Lloyd has added a 95.4 percentage in win probability over his league leading four interceptions. That's more than double the next closest defender. His impact has been unfathomably important for this team.

[D]

That's not just depoy argument right there, that is an MVP argument.

[B]

But can we acknowledge also that it's random? Like we can be impressed with it and he should deserve these things, but it's like do you think. Do we really think?

[D]

I understand. I understand it feels random. But like the plays that he has made, specifically the like, that is film study that that is 99 yards. That's also athleticism. That is God given talent. There ain't nothing random about that play.

[B]

He almost got caught from behind too on that one.

[D]

Yeah. You know who's chasing him? A guy with a 4, 240.

[A]

The thing that I'm not going to do though is say that that won the game. Even though I understand why you would say that. Because at the end, Trevor Lawrence still had to win it. Patric Mahomes did the thing that you expect Patrick Mahomes to do in that spot. And Even with only 21 seconds left, if the Chiefs had been able to not get a penalty on their kickoff, they might have gotten into field goal range. What happened at the end of the game was this Jags drive that I believe makes them not serious people and they're not to be trusted in a playoff game they're going to make. I know that they're very talented. I will not dispute that the Jags are very talented. I do not trust them in any way. And I don't trust them because of how that final drive went. Because I've seen them play with that quarterback that way four or five years. And here's what happened. It was wildly undisciplined. They get the ball at the 40. First of all because Harrison Butker, like you, cannot allow the other team to start at the 40 when your only job is to never get hit and just kick a football, kick it in bounds. They start at the 40 yard line, as I said, with a minute 45 left. After a minute they've gained three yards because Trevor Lawrence, his run to his right and run to his left. Now he's exhausted, he's breathing hard and they have to use a timeout because he just keeps running right, right and left and not throwing the football. Then they get into a third and 13 and get bailed out by an interference call on an interception. They also had another throw at the goal line that could have been intercepted. It was a dumb pass that he threw at the goal line. That, that just way too dangerous a pass to be throwing in that situation. Also, hurry up offense, delay of game. It's just a total disaster. And then I thought on that one yard play, given what had happened earlier in the game, Mike, because you're saying pick six. But it's not like the Jags didn't fumble right on the goal line because Trevor Lawrence was holding the ball right over the goal line.

[D]

100% the Jag. You can make the argument that the Jags are much better than the Kansas City Chiefs. When you look at the game flow, when you consider they had to come back, when you consider the huge fumble at the goal line, when you consider what you just outlined with that final drive, they were not making winning plays all that much. Outside of Devin Lloyd and Travis Hunter's incredible catch. It was a little confusing. Especially when Kansas City is playing so well on offense.

[A]

Though just think about what you said about the Chiefs on the goal line. The precision and the discipline that makes it. When the Patrick Mahomes throws a pick six that goes 99 yards, you guys all react as if a spaceship had landed on the field because it's something that you don't expect. Now pair that against how Trevor Lawrence did things from the one yard line just, just yesterday, where I thought he was going to keep falling back until he was on his own goal line. And that play, even though he scored on it, wildly dangerous for him to be doing any of that in an out of control fashion where he's not paying attention necessarily to how he has the ball because he's in total panic, right?

[D]

Especially with an open receiver because the defender collapsed, is hugely improbable. Not just the pick six, but the fact that as we highlighted Lloyd outran Tyquan Thornton who runs a 427 5. Yeah, I don't understand what I saw last night. The Jags might be legitimate, they're really talented. They might be legitimately good because they didn't play an A plus game to beat this dynastic Kansas City chief.

[A]

They cannot be really good because they're going to do something to screw it up in a big moment because they're wildly undisciplined.

[F]

Jacksonville was gifted. I have seldom seen the championship era Chiefs under Andy Reid look like they did last night. Dumb penalties throughout the game, bad special Teams defense, completely losing that game. It was. It was gifted to Jacksonville. I don't give much credit to the Jaguars for winning that game. I think Kansas City just took a big, giant crash on national tv.

[A]

Duvall, can you play the sound of their owner, Shad Khan, who's still trying to get over the urban mire of it all. He's still trying to shake it.

[B]

This clip I want to play is actually from weeks ago, but I just. He's so happy to have a winner.

[F]

This is what we envisioned in January, okay?

[D]

Yes, sir. It's happening here in September.

[A]

Gonna go on forever.

[C]

Forever.

[F]

Forever. Talk to me in December. Anybody who thinks the Jaguars are a Super bowl contender is high.

[A]

What?

[F]

You're high on dope.

[A]

They're very talented, Greg.

[F]

They're very talented. Their defense is hugely improved. But this is not a team that's gonna scare anybody, Greg.

[D]

All right, let's talk this out. How would you grade their performance last night? Give it a letter grade.

[F]

I would give it a C plus to B.

[D]

All right. He said A a couple times before he landed on C. I agree. C seems fair. They just beat the Kansas City Chiefs with a C effort. If that team meets its ceiling, they can beat anyone in that conference forever.

[A]

And they beat the Chiefs. With the Chiefs playing a style of football that has evaded them for the better part of two years.

[D]

I mean, Pacheco was getting up, every play, flexing. Pacheco was even back. That was a Kansas City offensive performance that we've been longing to see. And the Jags mustered up a C plus effort and came back from multiple scores down and had to win in the game's final moments. Like that. That's impressive. I come away from that performance thinking the Jags are going to be a problem if they make it to the playoffs because they could throw up a Jake Browning type performance.

[A]

I say this, though, because when you talk about the fact that some of this stuff is random and not repeatable, what do you do with what I'm about to say? Because maybe their defense is usually improved. Maybe. Or Maybe they had nine takeaways in 17 games last year and they've already got 14 this year. Like, you guys think that's real? You think you can keep taking the football away at a pace that would allow you to have 14 takeaways in five games that would skew all the results, because that's an absurd number.

[F]

That's.

[A]

They've already got five more this year than they had all of last year.

[F]

And that's a stat. That usually correlates to winning. It doesn't always. The Dolphins have had five takeaways in the last two games and lost them both or lost one of them. But in this case, Jacksonville, they can't. That's not repetitive. You can't have that pace all season.

[D]

Greg, to your point of things not being repetitive, not just the turnover stat, which definitely seems like that'll come down a bit, but remember how, how they had everybody fooled last year with their ability to win one score games? They were 11 and oh in one score games last year, even though their numbers reflected something closer to the Giants, we thought, okay, well that could be a skill when you have the goat under center. You see their record this season in one score game.

[A]

Yeah, they lose them all because that largely isn't an ability. But Patrick Mahomes did what he had to do at the end of that game to win it. What do you make though of the fact that the Jags have 14 takeaways and no other team in the league has 10? Like, that's, it's just an, it's an enormous amount of turnovers that they've caused. And I don't think it's because their defense is that good.

[D]

I mean, but the plays that they're actually making, it doesn't seem like super fluky. It's not, you know, Arizona Cardinals, Titans, football's bouncing off feet. I mean, they're making really good plays.

[B]

Not Bryce Young just throwing the ball right for Bradley.

[A]

Chuck.

[F]

There you go.

[D]

Here's a dice. I mean, and they did poor Jake Browning.

[A]

It's 14. Like when everyone's protecting the football and they've got 14. Trevor Lawrence has nine game winning drives. They've got 14 turnovers in five games.

[E]

They, they lead in differential. They're plus eight. But you have teams like the Steelers are plus seven, the Saints are plus five, the, the Chiefs are plus four. These teams that are not having a lot of success in winning football games are also right near the top of the league in that differential. So while their turnover rate in terms of causing them might go down, you would hope if you're looking at this team, you're four and one, that Trevor Lawrence's turnover rate could potentially go down as well. You could look at him as Liam Cohen and say, look at all the things we do well as a team. All you need to do is not mess it up.

[F]

When I, when I say that Jacksonville was gifted that game. Kansas City's offense was really good and it's getting better. They were good last Night Mahomes was good and now they have Rashi Rice coming back next week.

[A]

Week.

[F]

The issue is their defense was terrible last night. Special teams made errors, you know, penalties all over the field. Andy Reid had to be embarrassed by his team last night. Not because they lost, but how they lost.

[A]

You must have had the Chiefs and. And plus three, minus three and a half. The way that you're talking, you had a terrible week. Picking games.

[F]

I had a terrible week and there were six or seven games you had the Chiefs, including Miami and Kansas City. There were six or seven games, teams that had double digit leads and all lost the game. And I think I was on the wrong side of all six or seven of those games.

[A]

What did you end up going? You always want us to talk about your picks around here.

[F]

Only when I have a good week.

[A]

What did you. What did you end up having? Was it. How bad a week was it?

[F]

It was 4 and 10.

[A]

4 and 10? Against the spread?

[F]

No. Straight up it might have been better. I haven't figured it out yet. It's. It probably was better against the spread the way my weekend went. But four? And this is why you're my worst.

[A]

It affects your analysis. You do realize when you get emotional about your picks losing, you just called a game in which The Chiefs scored 28 points and Patrick Mahomes led what could have been the game winning drive if Trevor Lawrence had just kept. Trevor Lawrence. Yeah.

[F]

And if the Kansas City defense had shown up for the game.

[D]

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[A]

Hey, Mike.

[D]

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[E]

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[D]

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[E]

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[D]

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[E]

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[D]

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[F]

What's that?

[D]

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[E]

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[D]

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[A]

Don LeBatard all right, we gotta go back out there.

[F]

That was big. Wake them up.

[A]

Up. Oh, he doesn't want. He doesn't want to be bothered anymore. Now it's getting tense because he didn't need that. As a result, he needs something that happens.

[B]

You can see him, Mother.

[A]

He says, can we bother?

[B]

Are we bothering you right now?

[A]

Turn on your microphone. Gr.

[F]

My microphone's on st.

[B]

Paint the scene.

[F]

The paint the scene is. I got to go to work. Good night.

[D]

This is the D? Ler show with the st.

[A]

The thing about Trevor Lawrence, he threw two dots on that drive. Like the throw to Brian Thomas in double coverage. Brian Thomas is not open and he's always open. That was. That was the one play the Chiefs knew not to allow, but it couldn't be stopped. The way, the way the ball was thrown, it was not possible to stop that. But they had it covered. Like, that's not. That's not a failure of the Chiefs. That was a play being made on 3rd and 13, 35 yards down the field by the only guy on the Jags who was going to do that. And the Chiefs had. I remember this happened one time. This happened one time to Dave Wanstead, who was under just enormous duress in Miami. And they go up to Buffalo and they call against an all out blitz the perfect screen pass at the perfect time that would have gone easily 80 yards. And Jay Fiedler just threw it to a defensive lineman. If he had just thrown it over, he just threw it to a defensive lineman. And so the perfect coaching call ended up in failure because as Tyreek Hill and others say all the time, even if the play is garbage, it's our job to execute it. The play Jacksonville won with with that throw to Brian Thomas was perfect. It couldn't be Stopped by a champion, and they were ready for it. Like he was in double coverage. It's not possible to cover that person with that throw with any two defensive backs in the league playing in that defensive posture.

[D]

Lawrence wasn't scared of McDuffie. McDuffie was blanketing Thomas a couple of times, and Lawrence was still being aggressive. So I think Liam Cohen's always. I mean, he OC'd Baker before. He's one of these guys that isn't so scared of turnovers. We mentioned how they have this ability to make up for their offensive deficiencies by causing turnovers on the defensive end. What I like about Liam Cohen is he tells his quarterbacks, go for it. We can live with certain turnovers. Stretch the ball, take the chances, trust yourself.

[F]

And Travis Hunter, by the way, made it an excellent catch on that other deep ball that, that, that T. Law.

[A]

It'll be the death of them playing that way if everyone else in the league is playing the other way. If they're counting on, we're going to strip more turnovers than our quarterback's going to make. Yeah, if that's, if that's what they're counting on. Formulaically, I don't trust their quarterback not to do boneheaded stuff in important moments.

[D]

And on the other side of the coin, Mahomes and that offense is back when they have like three sub four, three wide receivers because Jacksonville was playing too high safeties most of the night and it didn't freaking matter. Mahomes was hunting the big plays. So for someone that misses that aspect, he had both offenses not really caring what the other team was going to do or how effective they were, still taking their chances. Prime NFL game yesterday.

[A]

T. Law.

[F]

Yeah, I've been calling Trevor Lawrence T. Law for a while. It hasn't seemed like you were yet.

[B]

It seemed like you were searching for his name and then you pulled T. Law out.

[F]

Well, I was searching for his nickname because it hasn't caught on. But it's a great nickname and you got to admit it and you know it.

[C]

Right.

[F]

I like him.

[C]

It's his fault it hasn't caught on. If he played better, it would.

[F]

I think so.

[C]

Billy, not you.

[F]

Yeah, I think Billy's nailed it right on the head. But. But that's one of the reasons why I say, despite the result last night, despite Jacksonville's 4 and 1 record and where Kansas City is, the Chiefs, 100% are the bet to get back to the super bowl over Jacksonville.

[A]

I don't. I don't think that's True.

[C]

Who's taking that bet? Or the Jaguars?

[D]

Who will go to the Super Bowl?

[F]

Oh, I would make that bet and take Kansas City.

[A]

Well, you've been wrong, most famously this week with all of your picks. But you've been wrong. You've been wrong all year about the Dolphins and now you have finally you've decided to shed your homer label. Billy, do you have Greg Cody's behind a paywall column back there? Can you read a couple of paragraphs to us from Greg Cody's column so that I can finally hear what it sounds like for Greg Cody? You know, four weeks after the rest of us abandoning the season.

[C]

There's a lot here. So I'll go towards the middle quote. A starving man will beg, borrow or steal for food. A Miami Dolphins fan should be able to relate this season when it comes to the hunger for winning, for something good to happen.

[F]

Wow. In other and surrounding that was the fact that you're up 17 nothing. That's what I want to see against a bad team.

[B]

I want to see that column in the first quarter you started.

[A]

What was that looking like in the first quarter? What? What was that? Since you have early deadline headlines. Right. What had you written that you had to kill that makes you this mad at the Dolphins because all of your interests are self interest.

[F]

Yeah, true.

[A]

And everything that you write is tinted with the emotions of how does this affect me?

[F]

Yeah, well, when they're up 17 nothing. I'm writing a Dolphins win column, obviously.

[B]

And I'm right. Look how good C2 and 3 like I said.

[F]

No, but I am saying this. I'm saying two wins in a row, albeit against bad teams. I'm saying you've got the Chargers next who just lost to the Giants. Then you've got the Browns and the Falcons after that.

[B]

You're pulling a Billy.

[F]

You're just schedule looking all of a sudden. Doesn't look so bad. For those of you out there who were setting bonfires and firing everybody at 03, you don't look so good right now. But all of that flipped because when you blow a 17 nothing lead, I don't care if it's on the road against a bad team. The way they blew it. Rico Dowdle is Walter Payton all of a sudden only when he plays the Dolphins. It was. It was a disgusting performance. I thought it was the worst performance of the season. And the opener in Indianapolis was so bad they had to fumigate the entire city. By what? By the stench the Dolphins left there. And. And Sunday was worse.

[A]

Are you doing Your column. Now you're performing.

[C]

The paid in thing was in there.

[D]

The fumigating the city was in there.

[C]

We went over the schedule in here. Dolphins. The Dolphins next play, a Chargers team that lost to the Giants a week ago. Then it's the Browns and Falcons. Optimism, anybody.

[B]

Was the Rico. Was the Rico stuff in there?

[F]

Was in there, too.

[A]

So what are you doing? You're coming in here unprepared and late and then you're just giving us recycled.

[C]

From your column, the best of it's good. I mean, had I not told you, you guys wouldn't have known. You would have thought that he was just rolling with it.

[F]

Thank you very much.

[A]

So they had to fumigate the entire city, did they?

[F]

Because of the way the Dolphins played in the opener. And somehow they were worse on Sunday.

[A]

Billy, read some more of the column so I could get it fresh before he spills from his mouth as recycled material.

[C]

The dolphins seemed up 17 oh to take the win for granted. The lack of killer instinct killed them. Bottom line is not good enough. McDaniel said we are much better. We are much better team than letting a 170 lead eviscerate. Are they though? Evidently not.

[A]

I mean, is eviscerate used correctly there? No, it's evaporate, isn't it?

[F]

Yeah, he was a little flamboyant with that reference, but people are really getting tired.

[A]

Did he get it wrong or did you get it wrong?

[F]

No, no, he. That was a quote where he said quotes.

[D]

Yeah, I think you got flamboyant wrong.

[F]

Did I?

[A]

Okay, you thought that that was the one that is the reason the season is dead or that's the one that made you angriest because it made you most wrong. Major pick. Most wrong, made you rewrite your column and made you look like a fool?

[F]

Both.

[A]

I think there was more than both.

[D]

There was more than both. There's more than two options on the board. But it's all right.

[F]

All of them then. Whatever. Don't nitpick me. The Dolphin bandwagon is now in a ditch in flames. Thank God there was nobody in it. Even the driver jumped out the window before it careened off into the gully.

[D]

You should show up late more often.

[A]

Do you fire everybody? Do you fire because Zaslo, Zaslo every week is firing McDaniel. But, well, what are you doing?

[F]

Well, listen, the. The second best coach on the team is the defensive coordinator who leads the worst defense in the history of football. So whenever anybody says fire the coach, my, my, my thing is who's going to replace him. I don't think there's any benefit to firing the coach during this season. What I think, and I've said it all along, is that if they don't make the playoffs, which now seems all but a certainty, he will be fired and so will Chris Greer and they will start cleaning house and the he's.

[A]

Going to get fired. The question is whether it's before the end of the season or at the end of the season.

[F]

And I would agree with you, except if they have the miracle finish, if they finish nine and eight and make.

[A]

A Just please stop saying just please just an saying just stop stop saying okay. Stop saying just stop saying it.

[F]

Okay? I'm just saying when when you this.

[A]

Is a new alone improved Dan Levitar.

[D]

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[C]

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