Local Hour: "World Rawr IV: Lightning Ain't Shit"

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz Episode: Local Hour: "World Rawr IV: Lightning Ain't Shit"
Release Date: April 22, 2025

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1. Introduction and Overview

In this episode of The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz, hosts Dan Le Batard and Stugotz delve into a variety of topics, primarily focusing on recent events in the sports world, with a particular emphasis on hockey and basketball. The discussion is enriched with humor, insightful commentary, and lively debates among the panelists, providing listeners with an engaging analysis of current sports phenomena.

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2. Criticism of the Notary Community

Timestamp: [02:40] - [04:04]

The episode kicks off with a heated debate surrounding a recent criticism directed at the notary community. Stugotz references a previous episode where a New York Jew was scolded about food, leading to backlash from a prominent local attorney who questioned the necessity of notaries.

• Stugotz: "Your mother being a partner in a law firm. As you sat here and argued against notaries and then incurred the wrath." [02:40]

• Chris Cody: "I don't feel like I dismissed it as I just was like, people that do it think they're super important." [02:55]

• Billy: "People who are notaries, they like to tell you that they're notaries." [03:21]

The panelists express frustration over the perceived self-importance within the notary community and the negative reactions ensuing from the criticism.

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3. Hockey Playoffs Overview

Timestamp: [04:04] - [16:58]

The conversation shifts to the ongoing hockey playoffs, with a particular focus on the Tampa Bay Lightning and the Florida Panthers. The hosts analyze recent games, player performances, and the overall competitiveness of the series.

• Stugotz: "I believe that just about everything right now should be pick'em in hockey." [04:49]

• Mike Ryan: "After four one goal games in hockey, two in overtime, one decided by Ovechkin. That's a pretty good hockey night." [04:06]

A significant highlight is Alex Ovechkin's playoff performance, where he scores his first overtime goal in the playoffs at the age of 39, marking a monumental moment in his illustrious career.

• Stugotz: "What did we... not remember. Ovechkin scores. Now he has that playoff overtime goal." [06:31]

The panel expresses skepticism about the Lightning's strength, with strong opinions asserting their lack of competitiveness.

• Billy: "The Lightning aren't shit to me. I'm just going to come right out and tell you right now." [08:08]

• Zaslow: "I've been saying that all year." [08:55]

Discussions also touch upon team strategies, player performances, and predictions for the series' outcome, emphasizing the Panthers' potential to advance further.

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4. Dallas Mavericks' PR Crisis and Ownership Issues

Timestamp: [24:03] - [40:42]

A substantial portion of the episode is dedicated to dissecting the Dallas Mavericks' recent public relations challenges, particularly surrounding the handling of Luka Dončić and the team's ownership dynamics.

• Stugotz: "Nico Harrison... you need to put him away. That last press conference..." [33:24]

• Greg Cody: "He chose to sell to them... doesn't do that to them. He took the highest bidder again, his rights." [29:15]

The hosts critique Nico Harrison's management of the team's narrative, expressing disappointment over the new ownership's inability to effectively communicate with fans and media. They draw parallels to Mark Cuban's previous ownership style, highlighting a stark contrast in handling team affairs.

• Stugotz: "Mark Cuban is actively making this worse for them by saying, I would have never done that." [37:05]

• Greg Cody: "He sold the team for a record profit. That's totally his call." [37:41]

The debate extends to the impact of these decisions on the team's performance and fan base, with the panelists questioning the future direction of the Mavericks under the new ownership.

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5. Knicks vs. Pistons Playoff Analysis

Timestamp: [40:42] - [43:59]

The discussion transitions to the New York Knicks' playoff performance and their struggles against the Detroit Pistons. The hosts analyze the team's strategy, player performances, and the broader implications for the franchise's future.

• Stugotz: "They don't trust their basket team. They trusted... Josh Hart will dive on the floor." [43:03]

• Jessica: "They gave up five unprotected picks for Mikel Bridges." [43:38]

The panel debates the effectiveness of the Knicks' recent acquisitions and trades, particularly focusing on the controversial trade of five unprotected picks for Mikel Bridges. They express concerns over the team's depth and trust in their core players, speculating on potential changes needed to enhance competitiveness.

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6. Kawhi Leonard's Performance and NBA Press Strategy

Timestamp: [24:03] - [37:41]

The hosts commend Kawhi Leonard's impressive performance in a recent basketball game, contrasting it with his teammates and discussing the broader NBA press strategies.

• Stugotz: "Kawhi Leonard... better than Jimmy Butler and younger." [24:03]

• Mike Ryan: "Kawhi Leonard plays like that and remind you, oh, he's better than Jimmy Butler." [24:03]

The conversation delves into the handling of press conferences by Nico Harrison, with Stugotz and Greg Cody criticizing the lack of effective communication and crisis management. They debate the role of ownership and former owner Mark Cuban in mitigating the fallout from recent PR missteps.

• Greg Cody: "Mark Cuban sits there behind the basket, head in hands, shaking his head when the crowd's chanting, fire Nico." [37:14]

• Stugotz: "He is trying to change the entire blueprint." [37:05]

This segment highlights the complexities of managing a high-profile sports franchise in the modern media landscape.

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7. Concluding Remarks and Final Thoughts

Timestamp: [43:59] - [44:59]

In the closing segment, the hosts briefly touch upon upcoming events and provide final insights into the discussed topics, reinforcing their critical stance on the current state of the Dallas Mavericks and the New York Knicks.

• Stugotz: "This is what makes Heat fans happy. This is the greatest thing that Heat fans can feel." [43:43]

• Billy: "Please. They haven't taught me anything. I'd love for them to be in the T-shirt short the next five minutes." [15:55]

The episode wraps up with a light-hearted exchange, maintaining the show's signature blend of humor and critical analysis.

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8. Notable Quotes

• Stugotz on Notaries: "The tequila that invented tequila." [01:30]

• Billy's Take on Lightning: "The Lightning aren't shit to me." [08:08]

• Greg Cody on Ownership: "He took the highest bidder again, his rights." [29:15]

• Stugotz on PR Strategy: "You need to put him away." [33:24]

• Jessica on Knicks' Strategy: "They gave up five unprotected picks for Mikel Bridges." [43:38]

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9. Conclusion

This episode of The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz offers a comprehensive and spirited discussion on recent sports events, ownership challenges, and team strategies. Through candid debates and insightful commentary, the hosts provide listeners with a nuanced understanding of the current sports landscape, making it an essential listen for fans seeking in-depth analysis and engaging conversations.

Transcript

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[Stugotz]

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[Mike Ryan]

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[Stugotz]

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[Stugotz]

Cuervo. Shadow Show. Shadow Show. Shadow Show. Shadow Show. Shadow Show. Shadow Show. Shadow Show. Shadowing it. Shadowing it. Stugot is out with a toothache. That's Zaslow playing the Stugot's role of adjusting his microphone noisily as soon as he sits down.

[Chris Cody]

It's really the Greg Cody role.

[Stugotz]

Yeah, getting comfortable very quickly. Greg Cody also not here today because he's busy with draft coverage. He's reading reading athlons and seeing what Mel Kuiper says so that he can make all of his exacto picks. But this criticism from yesterday Lebatard show has never showed its stupidity more than in Monday's local hour when scolding a New York Jew about food and Having the of a prominent local attorney question the necessity of notaries. Your mother being a partner in a law firm. As you sat here and argued against notaries and then incurred the wrath. Chris. Of the notary community. You were getting some stern talking tos on the Internet about the importance of notaries.

[Chris Cody]

Yeah. The least surprising thing ever. Yeti is a notary. My dad's producer, he was quick to tell me that. It's just I don't. I don't feel like I dismissed it as I just was like, people that do it think they're super important. And I don't really like the vibe that people that are notaries, they like to tell you that they're notaries. You know, I realize it has value. I super serious. All the people sending me links to videos, hey, watch this video. And then tell me notaries are not important. You know, the fraud that it fights in this country. Back off, all right? It's not that important.

[Greg Cody]

I do think there's a self importance that comes.

[Chris Cody]

Thank you.

[Greg Cody]

People who are qualified, they love to tell you.

[Jessica]

Did they notarize their complaints?

[Chris Cody]

No. So I don't even know where it came from.

[Billy]

I've never had a person walk up to me and say, I'm a notary. You're a secret notary. People are notaries and you just don't know they're notaries. Who are these people? You see people walking around with shirts that says notary. They wear crowns. Like, what are you even talking about?

[Chris Cody]

I'm just talking about when it comes up, people love to say it. If they are.

[Jessica]

What was the first part of the complaint that was sent to you?

[Stugotz]

Scolding a New York Jew about food.

[Jessica]

No, before.

[Stugotz]

That has never showed its stupidity before.

[Jessica]

That's not true.

[Stugotz]

It took a while to set up that joke, Jess.

[Jessica]

Well, you didn't start with the beginning of the sentence.

[Stugotz]

Oh, my fault. Yes, of course, my fault. I get it. Yes, I get it. Usually I'm used to blaming you, but yes, my fault. I don't remember Monday's local hour scolding a New York.

[Greg Cody]

Yeah, I'm trying to figure out who that was.

[Stugotz]

What is that? What did we. What did. I don't. I don't have any recollection. Not the best way to start, incidentally. After four one goal games in hockey, two in overtime, one decided by Ovechkin. That's a pretty good hockey night.

[Greg Cody]

What a night.

[Stugotz]

A lot of people talking about kawhi today, but that hockey night.

[Greg Cody]

Hockey did its thing last night, man.

[Stugotz]

I don't know why one goal games. I don't know why you guys aren't afraid of Bechkin. I don't know why you guys think this is going to be an Uber Doe offense that's going to be in the playoffs.

[Mike Ryan]

Got to get there first, right? Right now the series price on Most sportsbooks is minus 110. Minus 110. This is a total pick em series going on right now. The two teams that made it to the Stanley cup last year appear to have some challenges in front of them.

[Stugotz]

I believe that just about everything right now should be pick'em in hockey. Just make it all pick em.

[Billy]

This is the Dan Levatar show with the Stugats podcast.

[Stugotz]

Zaslow is weirdly confident about the Miami Heat winning game two. I believe that the best rooting interest for the Miami Heat the remainder of the playoffs is. Oh, Detroit can win that series and New York is afraid of games at home. They have played games at home this year. This team is not as lovable as the previous one and it starts to tighten up at home. They've lost a lot of 20 point games at home and Detroit would like to announce its presence with authority. 17 straight years not doing anything in the playoffs. 15 straight games they'd lost. They've gone to the postseason four straight times and gotten swept. That's nuts. But let's get to last night and is this Sean McDonough calling the Ovechkin goal in the best possible way that you could call an Ovechkin goal? There are a few things that Ovechkin hasn't done. Not many, but he's never scored.

[Billy]

Overtime.

[Stugotz]

Game winning goal in the playoffs.

[Mike Ryan]

Really interesting.

[Stugotz]

He's on the shooting spot on the left wing. The Canadians have Demidov and line A on the ice. A rookie and a player not known for his defensive play.

[Billy]

The puck is free and a great chance for Quevillier.

[Greg Cody]

Ovechkin scores. Now he has that playoff overtime goal. What else can he do?

[Stugotz]

Washington wins. 3, 2, 15 seconds between him saying Ovechkin has never done that. At the age of 30.

[Chris Cody]

The one thing he's never done. Oh, he just did it.

[Stugotz]

Before we talk about Kawhi entering the chat. Surely Mike, Roy and Zaslow ate up and slathered all over their chest some hockey last night.

[Greg Cody]

I mean, what a sport. Like what do you even say?

[Chris Cody]

The best.

[Greg Cody]

What a sport. It's what, the third day of the Stanley cup playoffs.

[Zaslow]

The Panthers still haven't played.

[Greg Cody]

Right, right, right. The main events tonight, by the way, but four games yesterday, all decided by one goal, two of them in overtime. One of them was novechkin winner. I don't understand how he's still doing that. And another one was a four nothing game late in the second period where Edmonton comes back and ties the game at five with under a minute to go, only to be answered by the winner from LA 20 seconds later.

[Zaslow]

Terrible defense.

[Greg Cody]

What a sport.

[Zaslow]

Terrible defense by the Oilers. Terrible puck management, terrible goaltending. They somehow almost won that.

[Greg Cody]

And that goal from McDavid to Ty. I don't even know how it got in past the goalie. How did it go in the net?

[Stugotz]

You asked a couple of good questions of Etkin. How is that all possible at 39? Jessica, Billy, World Roar 4. Are you guys in?

[Billy]

What?

[Mike Ryan]

This is the fourth time we've done this bit. Yeah. World Raw 4. Yeah. This is a fourth straight time.

[Billy]

The Panthers that.

[Mike Ryan]

The Panthers and the Lightning.

[Stugotz]

You were not familiar with the Panthers and the Lightning tonight.

[Mike Ryan]

You haven't. The show always calls this playoff feud.

[Billy]

I thought that we were past the Lightning. I thought that we were better than the Lightning and we didn't give the Lightning any mind. This is loser mentality.

[Mike Ryan]

No, no. Last year's shirt was World War Three.

[Billy]

Yeah.

[Mike Ryan]

Our group chat has a good feeling about this.

[Billy]

The pants, the Lightning, the Lightning aren't shit to me. I'm just going to come right out and tell you right now. We have surpassed the Lightning. They're not a formidable foe. They're a joke. I don't take them seriously at all. Strike me by, Lightning. I don't care. Nothing's going to happen to me. Lightning are soft, I don't think. I'm not giving them any mind. I'm not paying attention to them this series. On to the next round.

[Stugotz]

That is terrible analysis. However, I do believe it's the analysis of Roy, Mike and Zaslow as well.

[Zaslow]

Absolutely. I agree with you, Billy. I've been saying that all year.

[Greg Cody]

I mean, I. I'm. I'm on the same level as Billy as far as the Lightning don't mean shit to me.

[Mike Ryan]

All right.

[Stugotz]

Stunning. Stunning that you guys would be uniform in this.

[Greg Cody]

But this is going like. I think it's going to be hard as hell. Every single game starting tonight, I'm going to have anxiety for 60 minutes.

[Stugotz]

You guys are really disrespectful. You guys are disrespectful of things accomplished in the past. Just generally. Yeah.

[Billy]

I don't live in the past. I live in the present. Lightning ain't Shit.

[Stugotz]

I mean, I would fear them in a hockey series.

[Greg Cody]

I would love to wear that shirt. I just walk into the building. Lightning ain't shit.

[Chris Cody]

This is going seven. Like, I know you guys are trying to be tough, but this feels like a seven game series.

[Mike Ryan]

It feels like a difficult series. I mean, the series prices all reflect that. And while Florida may be top to bottom, more talented than they were last year. Oh yeah, they still got 88. He didn't have the greatest series the last time these two teams played in the playoffs. And Florida.

[Greg Cody]

Reason why though.

[Mike Ryan]

Yeah, Florida's going to be getting some guys back, but some guys that haven't played in a while, some hugely important guys like Matthew Tkachuk, Aaron Ekblad.

[Stugotz]

What are you guys expecting from Ekblad given that you guys know now that he was terrible during a time when no one suspected anything from him other than expectations to be better. And then he was great. And then he was popped for peds.

[Mike Ryan]

Right. So I saw him have a career resurgence. And shortly thereafter he tested positive for performance enhancing drugs. I imagine that performance enhancing drug thing got cleared up during the suspension and he's probably not on that stuff anymore.

[Chris Cody]

I hope he still is because he's been playing great.

[Mike Ryan]

Yeah. So I don't know. And you keep in mind he had a. He had a longer layoff. Same thing with Matthew Tkachuk there. There's new players on the team, new lines that are going to get formed. So we'll see. I do think it's going to be a tougher, longer series.

[Greg Cody]

I think it's going to be a blessing for them. Tkachuk with the time off, Ekblad with the time off. Three straight years, they're trying to get to the Stanley cup final essentially. Three straight years, they're trying to play like an extra 20 plus games than the regular season. And we saw the way both of them, by the way, broke down in the Stanley cup final two years ago. And now for each of them to have a couple of months off before the playoffs, I think it's going to be a benefit. I really do.

[Chris Cody]

Roy, who they're going to have march.

[Zaslow]

On with, they're probably going to have him on the third line. I was hoping that he would be on the second line, but they're probably going to.

[Chris Cody]

You think with Lundell and Lucerane.

[Mike Ryan]

Yeah, put him on that third.

[Chris Cody]

I want him on that second.

[Mike Ryan]

Why do you want a guy with one goal on the second line?

[Greg Cody]

2.

[Chris Cody]

I just want to see what it looks like. Him, Bennett, Chucky, that Line, Mike. Come on, Mike.

[Greg Cody]

You want him on the third line? Because then Tampa Bay, you don't have to worry so much about matchups if you're Paul Maurice, because you got three lines now that the other team's like, damn, I don't want to face those guys.

[Chris Cody]

And you keep in your back pocket moving him into that second round.

[Greg Cody]

You could always do that. Yes.

[Mike Ryan]

One thing I'm.

[Chris Cody]

I just want to see him on the same line. Those three.

[Mike Ryan]

No, one thing I'm really curious to see is Kov had another outstanding season book on him, though, is he's a power play merchant. Florida really neutralized Kov last year. He was very frustrated.

[Greg Cody]

Well, that's their thing. Like, every series that they win, it's all. They neutralize Dry, Seidel. Oh, they neutralize Kucherov, Panarin.

[Mike Ryan]

All these guys.

[Greg Cody]

They neutral was a Banajad. That's their thing.

[Stugotz]

That was not. That was not an English sentence you just said. I don't know what. No, that. There were. But he. There were some z's in the verb there. Mike, I thought you wanted Marshawn on the train line right out of town. Not the second line, not the third line. I thought you wanted him on whatever a line is that takes him away from your.

[Jessica]

Your.

[Stugotz]

Your hockey team.

[Mike Ryan]

Look, he hasn't been good as a Florida Panther. He just hasn't.

[Greg Cody]

Oh, I disagree.

[Mike Ryan]

He hasn't been good. He hasn't been good. He hasn't been good. He's not a better player than Mackie. He's. He's not. He's. He's a proper third liner on merit, maybe.

[Greg Cody]

I totally disagree. I think he's been very good. You're only counting it by him scoring two goals. All right? I mean, you know, give him a little bit of time to. To mix his way in with the team. He's been super active. Like, we're getting shots on goal. How about the passing?

[Stugotz]

The. The.

[Greg Cody]

The plays that he set up? We got very good.

[Mike Ryan]

We got activity for days. Like Brad Marchand. That's been a lot of the analysis. Wow. Brad Marchand brings activity to this. Florida's been great on that.

[Greg Cody]

I feel like more activity is something you don't want.

[Mike Ryan]

I feel like he's not as good a skater as he once was. I feel like he's certainly not the type of offensive threat that he was. Certainly not even last year.

[Greg Cody]

24 goals.

[Mike Ryan]

And on top of that, he's got a really stupid face, and I don't like him one bit. Oh, there it Is so, like, if we want to scratch his ass, we can scratch his ass and we can get Greer in there because I like Greer more.

[Zaslow]

It's not going to get scratched.

[Billy]

Greer.

[Chris Cody]

Even Greer likes Marshawn more.

[Mike Ryan]

No, Greer doesn't like Marshawn. No one likes Brad. Marshawn.

[Greg Cody]

Rat.

[Stugotz]

Now.

[Mike Ryan]

No, he's not mine.

[Greg Cody]

Rat.

[Mike Ryan]

Do something. Do something in the playoff. Do something. And then maybe you could possibly be some of my friends, Rat. But you'll never be my.

[Greg Cody]

This then. Let me ask you this, then. How many minutes into tonight's game? The first game. This is. This is why they got him. All right, Is starting tonight not. Not random regular season game number 75. They got him for starting tonight. So how many minutes into tonight's game do you see him behind the net in a scuffle, doing dirty rat stuff? And you're cheering it because he's our rat now? Because it's coming.

[Mike Ryan]

We have plenty of people that do that. We need more.

[Greg Cody]

Now they got another one.

[Chris Cody]

I think Mike walks. I think Mike walks this back by Game 4. I think he sees four games of playoff Marshawn, and he's just like, all right, I like him.

[Billy]

Yeah.

[Zaslow]

So you. You want the Panthers to scratch Brad Marchon for a fourth line forward?

[Mike Ryan]

Yes. Yeah. Yes. I want to scratch your third line forward for a fourth line forward that, you know, I think is a better player because Brad Marchand's not a good hockey player anymore.

[Greg Cody]

24 goals. 24.

[Mike Ryan]

He didn't score like that for Florida. He's not a good player. Guys, I don't know what to tell you. I don't like him. And on top of being a bad hockey player, he's a worse person.

[Zaslow]

Oh, my God.

[Stugotz]

All right, I need this. I need this to get under control because the hockey playoffs haven't even started for the Panthers yet and already lightning. No, well, wait a minute. Just hold on a second, okay? Because our angel, our T shirt department's moving too slow because angel sent me this morning pop the campaign on the New York Knicks T shirt from a few days ago. The campaign popped the campaign, but they've lost since then, so the timing on that isn't great. Angel, right now, lightning ain't shit. And I don't fear being struck by lightning. I want to see them in the T shirt shop before the end of the show today because I can't believe what you guys are doing, how disrespectful it is to a team in Florida that taught you how to win by beating your head in and changing your entire blueprint.

[Billy]

Please. They haven't taught me anything. I'd love for them to be in the T shirt short the next five minutes. The problem is this series going to be over by the time you get that. This thing's going to be fast and furious. I'm telling you. Four, maybe five maximum. This is not going along this series. Mark my words.

[Stugotz]

Sad. So do you want to hear yourself trying to say the word neutralized among a bunch of hockey names that you were scared of pronouncing?

[Greg Cody]

Yeah. They knew TRA was a banajad. I don't remember.

[Stugotz]

That is how it happened. That is the word.

[Greg Cody]

That's not dog.

[Stugotz]

That is.

[Mike Ryan]

That is how you got the foreign.

[Stugotz]

That is how you said neutralized. Let's hear that again.

[Greg Cody]

They knew trauma was a banajad. I am a Prof. I am on national radio. I'm a professional.

[Stugotz]

We just heard it. We heard it together. I would never say all of us reacted that way.

[Greg Cody]

They knew Trava was a banajet.

[Stugotz]

Jessica, why are you making a face at Zaslow saying I'm on national radio.

[Greg Cody]

She feels bad that I'm being taken advantage like that because it's not real.

[Jessica]

I was actually just thinking about the time I saw Zabinjad on the Larry.

[Greg Cody]

Oh yeah, was a banaj capo kako.

[Stugotz]

It is a great sentence that has neutralized as a verb in the middle of it and it's not said correctly. He bailed like stugot's halfway through the word they.

[Greg Cody]

Neutral was a banajad.

[Stugotz]

Billy, it's good to have you back. Are you feeling okay? What is the story with the draft this weekend in Stugarts in Tennessee? He left yesterday early with a toothache and I'm afraid it's going to take him out. And I don't know how much confidence you have that he will be showing up for the draft in Tennessee with you.

[Billy]

Well, the read I have says this Thursday night join Billy Mike Yeh and Andrew Hawkins live from the DraftKings Sports & Social Nashville, 128 Second Avenue North. Live stream begins at 8pm Eastern, 7pm Central on the Levitard Show YouTube channel presented by Smirnoff. We do game days. Please ring responsible for the Smirnoff Company New York, New York. So it appears though Andrew Hawkins is coming and not Stugat. So you can join us in Nashville.

[Chris Cody]

Upgrade.

[Billy]

Say hi and watch us on YouTube for the draft Thursday.

[Stugotz]

Whoa. Chris Cody. Chris Cody, show some respect. What do you mean upgrade?

[Mike Ryan]

He is to Andrew Hawkins.

[Stugotz]

That's not an upgrade.

[Mike Ryan]

I mean, from a football analysis standpoint, maybe not.

[Stugotz]

It is not an upgrade. Except from a will probably show up standpoint.

[Mike Ryan]

Yeah, well, it's certainly in the looks department. And quickness.

[Stugotz]

Man, I have been taken aback by how much the ladies like Andrew Hawkins. Like, just. No, no, I. I know he's nice to look at, but how much he's nice to look at has taken me aback. People are behaving around him. The way they behave around Method Man. It's a little.

[Billy]

He's much better looking than Method Man. Like, come on. What are we even doing?

[Stugotz]

Well, you.

[Billy]

You think Method man is better looking than Andrew Hawkins?

[Chris Cody]

Put it on the poll.

[Billy]

Sound old.

[Stugotz]

Put it on the poll at Lebiton show. Okay. And you sound male at Lebanon show.

[Greg Cody]

Ouch.

[Stugotz]

Burn. No, I'm just. I'm saying that you're. Your opinion here. It will not line up with the Internet, I assure you.

[Billy]

Method man is the Internet in 2025. Is swooning over Method every time he.

[Stugotz]

Appears on an award show. Yes. Is the answer to your question. And it's quick and easy. And it happens every single time he appears public at Lebatard Show.

[Billy]

What awards is he up for? Still do anything.

[Stugotz]

Put it on the poll at Lebatard show. Yes. He's still in Wu Tang.

[Zaslow]

He's an actor.

[Stugotz]

And he does. Yes. You're being. You've come back very hot and heavy here after a few days off. You've taken out just being a man, the Lightning, and you've taken out Method Man.

[Greg Cody]

Very dismissive.

[Billy]

Yeah, no, I mean respectfully to Method man.

[Stugotz]

Not respectfully.

[Billy]

How so?

[Stugotz]

That was disrespectful.

[Chris Cody]

I'm agreeing with Billy. It was a random poll to be like Andrew Hawkins. He's as good looking as like. If you would have said fill in the blank here, I wouldn't have gone to Method.

[Stugotz]

And fine. I'm saying to you, the reason that I'm pulling out Method man is because the reaction to Andrew Hawkins every time he appears on our show reminds me of the reaction to Method man any time he appears on our show or anywhere. Because he. He creates a great deal of longing and lechery from the Internet. I'm not making that up.

[Zaslow]

No, you're absolutely right, Dan. I'm signing with you on this one. That is not a random pool, Chris.

[Billy]

It sounds like Ed Roggins is not that good looking.

[Stugotz]

That's where we are on things right now, and I'm okay with it. But it does also sound like he has Healthier teeth than Stu got. Who again yesterday complained of a tooth wa. A toothache while eating crunchy bacon and complained of a toothache while smoking cigarettes. That happened both times yesterday.

[Greg Cody]

I'm still envisioning that one lone tooth smoking its own cigarettes.

[Zaslow]

I would say in the 20 year history of this program that Stugot has had maybe 25 root canals.

[Stugotz]

Well, this one, this one looks like it's going to take him out for the whole week.

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[Stugotz]

Don Lebatard World Raw 3 Stugats we're.

[Chris Cody]

Gonna get that off the wall.

[Mike Ryan]

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[Billy]

This is the Dan Levatar show with the Stugats.

[Stugotz]

I want to talk to you guys a little bit about what happened in basketball last night because it was really nice to see Kawhi Leonard play like that and remind you, oh, he's better than Jimmy Butler and younger and younger. So he goes 15 for 19. He beats the world's greatest player in their building. Shaquille O'Neal had too much olive oil last night and ran off the set. Penguin ran off the set. A seven foot penguin ran off the set to go to the bathroom because he just. Live television. He confused all of the people on the set by just, you know, we've all seen that run.

[Chris Cody]

That's funny because I had my YouTube TV set up where I had three games on. So I didn't have the sound on that one. But I saw them replaying this video of him and I'm like, he's the poop.

[Stugotz]

That's.

[Chris Cody]

I don't even need sound like, yep, he's scaring away Ernie.

[Stugotz]

Ernie shouted maximum professional. I don't like his gait because it was clear to everybody on television that he had to go to the bathroom. Also clear some advice that Charles Barkley gave a camera directly last night. Nico Harrison, stop giving press conferences such good advice.

[Greg Cody]

I like though how he preference prefaced it with, I like you a lot. You're my friend. And then he tells everybody, but at the same time as telling him, you need to stop being stupid.

[Stugotz]

That's right. And good advice. That's what friends do. Usually more privately than that. Often more privately than that. But here, here is the commentary after Nico Harrison has given a press conference in which he said he knew there would be backl on Luca, but he didn't know how much backlash. He knew that the city had a relationship with Luca, but he didn't know how close the relationship actually was or how much it would hurt. He underestimated it.

[Mike Ryan]

So he had an open door press conference after he had the closed door press conference. I don't understand the press conference strategy at all. How about no press conferences?

[Greg Cody]

Okay, so you're a journalist. I'm not. I'm dopey. Can you help me understand? Cuz I have that question too. How last week do you have a closed session? You hand pick which media members are allowed to come to the closed session. No video, no recorders. And then yesterday everyone's invited, everyone can record. So like literally, from a journalistic standpoint, what, what is the thought process there?

[Stugotz]

All right, let me take you through some of this, because when you say journalistically, I believe this is a bunch of people who are in over their head who are getting just dragged by a public relations problem that they don't have the ability to solve. Because you don't want to put the owner, you don't want to put the owner's nepotism in front of cameras. So this is your face. This is your new Mark Cuban. Mark Cuban used to handle all this face and voice stuff for you. It didn't even matter who the coach was. And so now you've got a guy that Mark Cuban hired. But Mark Cuban is distancing himself from doing all the public facing stuff on this because now he is simply a receptacle for all of the bad stuff. They don't want ownership around this stuff. So let's start with Nico Harrison and what it is that he had to say yesterday in the open door press conference as opposed to the closed door press conference.

[Nico Harrison]

I did know that Luka was important to the. To the fan base. I didn't quite know it to the. To what level, but really the way we looked at it is, you know, if you're putting on the. If you're putting a team on the floor, that's Kyrie, Clay, P.J. anthony, Davis and Lively, we feel that's a championship caliber team, and we would have been winning at a high level, and that would have quieted some of the outrage. And so unfortunately, we weren't able to do that.

[Stugotz]

One of the things he said that we didn't even air is just flatly, I think I've done a good job. Which you just can't give Piranha that kind of meat right now. You can't. You cannot keep this story out there every time you speak because we need to feed on something, and any sentence you say, we will take. It's why Charles Barkley's given him good advice. Zaszlo, your thoughts here?

[Greg Cody]

Yeah, I, I think it's interesting that Cuban has completely, in my opinion, has completely skated on all of this. If you want to blame Nico Harrison, fine deserves all the blame. You want to blame new ownership, Fine deserve all the blame. But how does Mark Cuban get to just be the former owner who sits there and is so distraught with what's happened to his franchise, while then also going to check in his bank account where he sold the team for $5 billion to these people? So let's start there. If you have an NBA team for sale, there's no shortage of buyers. I mean, that's a sign of prestige in this country if you own an NBA franchise. He decided to sell to these people, these people with no care for basketball. It's a business that's. Hey, that, that's. They could do what they want, but he chose to sell it to them. He chose to go with the highest bidder. That, to me, doesn't feel like someone.

[Stugotz]

A group that is questionable, incidentally, like a group that you don't even have to do much in the way of background checks to be like, oh, those people. You don't, you don't want to be selling anything to those people.

[Greg Cody]

But he went with the highest possible bidder, which is his right as a businessman. But if I'm a Mavs fan, I don't Love that. I'd rather you make sure that you hand over what you've helped build for the last 20 plus years to someone who's going to continue to caretake that franchise in the city. He did not do that. He took the highest bidder again, his rights. The second part, he hired Nico Harrison. The new ownership didn't hire Nico Harrison. He hired the guy who didn't know how popular Luca Doncic is. And Mark Cuban gets to just sit there all distraught. I can't believe what's happened to my beloved franchise. How does Cuban skate through all of this?

[Stugotz]

It's a good question. We'll attack it in a second. Here's Barkley saying, nico Harrison, you're my friend. I love you. Shut the hell up.

[I]

Listen, man, I consider you a friend of mine. Nico Harrison, I consider you a friend of mine. I wish you nothing but the best. I thought you did a good job last year with the Mavs. And obviously whatever happened this year has been. Man, don't do no more press conferences. Like, I don't even know what you're doing. I really don't. Like, I got sympathy and love for you, but I have zero idea what you're trying to do. This war is over, brother. You gonna take. You taking the L. I hope you keep your job. I hope that team get healthy. But, man, don't do any more interviews.

[Jessica]

So there was a closed door meeting last week where it was. There was not supposed to be any sort of like video or audio recording, but apparently it was like so bizarre that they were reporters that were invited, were eventually able to write from their transcript and report on it. And then this, I believe the most recent press conference where he was on camera was like the end of the season one. So that was why there were two different. But the first one I think, like a lot of reporters were saying was just kind of weird and unnecessary.

[Greg Cody]

Why was the first one needed if he's going to do his end of the year press conference?

[Chris Cody]

Probably troll it more.

[Jessica]

Yeah. To like, I don't know.

[Mike Ryan]

There were some really bad answers in that gauge.

[Jessica]

On what. What he was going to be asked in this one. I guess the gauge was. I'm not sure.

[Mike Ryan]

Was it Kalashaw that. That. That asked Tim McMahon. It was Tim McMahon about the timeline. Yeah. And he's like, I'm just trying to use your logic here on extending your timeline. You had a championship team. Meanwhile. This team was a Western Conference champion last year. They don't make it out of the play in this year yet. No one in their right mind would describe that as a good job.

[Stugotz]

All right, let's discuss this from this angle. Right. Because what the Mavericks are articulating through their shamed face and voice right now is we know we have a PR calamity. We don't know how to handle the PR calamity. How many PR calamities have there been in the league right now this year that are like this one? Cuz I'm guessing Memphis has its PR calamity, but it's not this. It's not at the core of your customer base. A detonation that has shocked the entirety of the sport after a Finals appearance and introduced us to a storyline character that keeps giving us chum in the water because we can keep revisiting the shock from months ago in the sport that traffics in drama and storylines.

[Jessica]

Yeah. And just to add more context, as so Tim Cato, who's worked in the Dallas market as like a NBA reporter for a long time. I used to work with him at SB Nation. He wrote at the end, I didn't feel it was that transparent. That's the thing that stood the most out. If you're going to do it in this way, if you're going to have just a very select number of media members, you're not going to film it, you're not going to televise it at this point. Why not be more transparent about the exact workings of the thing? If you're just going to say the same thing over and over again? Defense wins championships. When the defense was a top 10 defense after the trade deadline last season, that defense helped them get to the NBA Finals. So basically, like, even the reporters were not sure exactly why they went about the PR in this way. But to Dan's point, like, this is obviously a catastrophe and so they're not handling it.

[Stugotz]

This requires a crisis management team, not a PR department, not the people who normally do business for you. This requires somebody from the outside to help new ownership with a strategy. That isn't Nico trying to control the local press by saying, hey, lock that door and don't bring your camera phones in here.

[Mike Ryan]

I think I do see the value in that, in that the questions that were asked, the journalists were trying to follow Nico's logic in ways that if it's your end of the year, presser cameras are out there, you have your duty is to your readers and ask the most pressing questions.

[Greg Cody]

You can actually have a conversation.

[Mike Ryan]

This one, they were like, okay, the trade happened. This was your logic. Now we have a more representative Sample, how are we doing according to your plan right now? I thought they extended him a lot, and maybe that was the intention behind it.

[Greg Cody]

And he just kept repeating defense wins championships.

[Mike Ryan]

Yeah. Confused by his own moves. You could have said that he was doing a really bad job. Before they traded Luka, they were just three games over.500 on the heels of a NBA Finals appearance with some glaring needs. And they didn't address it. They didn't try to get better. In fact, they traded the most popular player in franchise or not history. But close.

[Stugotz]

Okay, but I will also say that by giving press conference in which. Which he simply gives you honesty. I knew we had a relationship with Luca. I didn't know it was this. Well, we all kind of found out that at the same time. Like, I know we all know that there was a relationship with Luca, but the reason that this is a PR Calamity. Calamity is because you have new ownership that cannot be trusted in front of microphones to care about the team correctly. They already told you what they think of it when they made the move. Nobody understands. And so there are no right answers to give in a press conference. So stop talking like there's no right answer. All of your answers wrong. You could bring the press in and try and control the narrative by saying, hey, nobody writes anything about this. We're going to bully you because in 2025, powerful people can bully the media. So come in this room, you don't write anything, and we're going to see if we can change this narrative by giving you all this off the record. No, you can't use any of this. I've been in 100 of those where they call you in and they're trying to control how it is that they get their messaging out. You cannot allow this man to keep speaking on behalf of your team. You need to put him away. That last press conference, Riley talks like, two or three times a year. That and the coach has got to be out there all the time. Part of the coach's job is go out there and take that beating, meet with the press twice a day, and go be face and voice for our team in difficult times. It's sort of written into the contract. You're contractually obligated to speak on behalf of our team. They got to get this guy out of public.

[Mike Ryan]

Well, that's why I love Zaz's point about Mark Cuban, who still has an ownership stake. He just sold a majority stake. And remember, they kind of greased the rails for the new ownership group by putting Everybody at ease. Don't worry. Mark is still going to be involved in the day to day activities, the team, and he's still going to be a part of this ownership group. And then I guess slowly the public image divested. But this was actually pretty quick. And in terms of people with good public relations appeal that could speak to the fans and what Luca meant to that market. Mark should kind of be out there. Unless it's the plan from the ownership group that has a majority stake saying, we don't want you around this at all. But I feel like Cuban can have actually. Yeah, yeah, he could have helped.

[Stugotz]

He's already done it a couple of times where he's given his own interviews in different places, but all he does is back away from it. He's not helping them. He's making it worse.

[Mike Ryan]

He looks great by comparison.

[Stugotz]

Mark Cuban is actively making this worse for them by saying, I would have never done that. That's not helpful.

[Mike Ryan]

No, not helpful at all.

[Greg Cody]

And he sits there behind the basket, head in hands, shaking his head when the crowd's chanting, fire Nico. As if, oh, my God, this is so terrible what they've done to my team. Well, you kind of got the ball rolling.

[Mike Ryan]

And I could kind of understand that if he were, say, a former coach that someone decided to let go, but he sold this team for a record profit. Yeah, it was his, totally his call. So I don't think he would be like, sorry, guys, it wasn't really my call here. I'm so sorry. Like this, this wasn't inadvertently your goal.

[Greg Cody]

I guess the point that I'm making is if some, if an ownership group that it loves the Dallas Mavericks, loves the Mavericks and was going to continue to do everything right by the Mavericks if they offered Cuban a dollar less. I don't think he sells it to them. I think he takes the highest offer.

[Stugotz]

Maybe a dollar. Maybe a dollar. Maybe a dollar. Billy, you are staring daggers into the side of Zaz's face.

[Billy]

I mean, Mark Cuban's full of. Let's be real. Come on. He also, by the way, thought he was going to run the battle basketball thing. And then the NBA was like, nah, that's not how this works. So he's kind of like a bitter ex who still has enough to just be around to cause problems for everyone.

[Jessica]

Well, he's also like in Tim Marchman's story or the ESPN story, he said that Cuban was completely pushed out of basketball operations. So now he's saying that he has nothing to do with this. He's being honest which is what you're saying you want from Nico, but when you actually are getting honesty from him, you're saying you don't want it.

[Greg Cody]

Understandable, though, that he was pushed out of basketball ops because he sold the team.

[Billy]

I never understand that when, like, people sell the team or executives are, like, part of former administration. Like, I was pushed out. Like, that's how this works. Like, they gave you billions of dollars to get. Like, if you sell your house, you can't just stay living in the room of the house because you used to live in this house. It doesn't work like that. They gave you the money. Now go away.

[Jessica]

Yeah, but this is a house that has, like, multiple people that own a stake in it. It's not a house owned by a single homeowner. That's the difference.

[Billy]

I would. I would have Mark Cuban live in an efficiency. Like, best case, like, he can live it in a detached efficiency. Maybe one of those, like, things that's definitely not legal, where you, like, turn a shed in the backyard, you put, like, an air conditioning unit, and then you spray, like, some foam. Or I'm like, yeah, this is safe. That's where Mark Cuban can live well, quietly.

[Greg Cody]

Which NBA team is the equivalent of the efficiency? Like, that's who he has to now go run.

[Stugotz]

This is the situation, and Jessica has it exactly right. This is a bunch of rich people who own the same vacation home and now have the same dates they want. And Mark Cuban used to. And always had first rights to, I get the home whenever I want it. Someone else has moved in. He's in a guest room. He's in the cottage out back. He doesn't get the master bedroom anymore. That's a man who got used to having the master bedroom and is now saying, oh, I never built the house or the master bedroom. I never had anything to do with this. As he tried to live in the house with a less. Less of an ownership stake, but the same power. He told us, right. That that was public. He said he was going to be running the franchise, and it wasn't.

[Jessica]

It ended up not being true. It wasn't possible. But I think the more apt comparison is that he bought the house and then he hired a contractor to make a bunch of updates to it, but that contractor wasn't very good at his job. And then when he left and the house fell apart, he was like, I would have never made those decisions. But you're the one that put the person in place that made them. So to your point, yes. Like, I think there's Plenty of blame.

[Stugotz]

To go around before we go any further on the drama of this story, just for a moment, the games last night, okay, because it wasn't just Clippers, Denver, New York is in some peril here after getting very loud, I think they're in trouble after getting very loud after game one and being very loud for the last couple of years after a Pistons like run over the last 20 years, the Knicks are grateful for the existence of the Pistons because their playoff histories in the last 20 years kind of similar. The Knicks didn't do anything until they got Jalen Brunson and man, did New York fall in love with Jalen Brunson. And then they started started tinkering with his team and they brought in one of the top five most talented Knicks we've ever seen. Just physically talented. And I'm not sure how much New York loves him. And I know they don't love him when he ain't scoring any points and a half. And so the Pistons and I don't know, Jessica, how much of this you were watching because your man Lee man is a Knicks fan. But I'd be scared if I were the Knicks because I saw what the Pistons did in a regular season game there. I saw what Cade Cunningham did in Madison Square Garden, and I've got a pretty good feeling about what Cade Cunningham wants to be and he will be it the moment he beats New York. Like whatever it is that Cade Cunningham imagines himself to be as a star in this league, that isn't Shaq saying, I don't watch the Pistons. I don't know anything about the Pistons. I don't have to pay attention to the Pistons. Detroit Pistons Twitter account last night is sending to a Knicks account. You shouldn't be taken seriously because the Detroit Pistons are feeling themselves at this point.

[Jessica]

If you're a Knicks fan, I'm curious if you'd rather just lose the series to Detroit and then maybe some real change will happen in the off season. I don't know what that change will be, but clearly this team you went big league. It's not you're not near Cleveland or Boston or do you at least want to beat the Pistons and then lose miserably to the Celtics? I'm not sure which is better at this point, but losing at MSG in game two like that was pretty bad for this team. And it's been sort of apparent for at least the second half of the season that like the additions that the Knicks made were not going to really move the needle on this being a championship.

[Stugotz]

Bridges is unpopular and. And one of the things that I see happening there to New York is they don't trust their basket team. They trusted the one. They trusted Hartenstein and Grit and. And Josh Hart will dive on the floor. They don't trust this, that this is not something that they identify with.

[Jessica]

I was on the ESPN trade thing with Taylor this morning. How do we keep Cat but get Dante back, but maybe get rid of Bridges and maybe we need a few more picks. I don't know how we do that. I don't know why I'm saying we. I'm not even a Knicks fan, but I do miss Dante and he would have been helpful on this team.

[Greg Cody]

They gave up five unprotected picks for Mikel Bridges.

[Stugotz]

This is what makes Heat fans happy. This is the greatest thing that Heat fans can feel.

[Greg Cody]

Five.

[Mike Ryan]

Five. That's crazy.

[Greg Cody]

That crowd was so excited yesterday. They make the comeback. They tie the game and then like seconds later, Dennis Schroeder hits the three.

[Mike Ryan]

You see that Kanye tweet.

[Greg Cody]

Folks, listen up.

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