Myles Garrett Was Traded To WHO? | Hour 2

Summary

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The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz

Episode: "Myles Garrett Was Traded To WHO? | Hour 2"

Date: June 2, 2026
Main Hosts: Dan Le Batard, Stugotz
Location: The Elser Hotel, Downtown Miami

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Episode Overview

This episode blends sharp, irreverent takes on the business of sports podcasting and merchandise, a critique of sports media coverage, and, most prominently, the seismic surprise of Myles Garrett's shocking NFL trade. Despite teasing more about A.J. Brown, the show’s true fascination lies in Garrett’s move and its industry-shaking implications. Along the way, the team riff on LeBron/modern athlete comparisons to Muhammad Ali, poke fun at podcast rivals, and go deep on why blockbuster trades break the brains of football people and sports media alike.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Show Merchandise & Business Philosophy

• Dan’s Business Dilemma (01:08-03:38): Dan asks for Greg Cody's advice, puzzled why they’re selling T-shirts emblazoned with jokes that the subjects themselves wouldn’t wear.
  • Dan: “When the star of Not a Cuck looks at that T shirt and says, who would buy that? Do you think that I'm doing advertising wrong?” (01:08)
  • Zaslow: “It's a weird T shirt. I don't think zsas would buy it or wear it.” (02:03)
• Zaslow & Greg on Show Commerce: Zaslow questions his cut from merchandise sales. Greg shares proudly buying a shirt of himself with the line “my wife always handles the wand.” (03:54)

2. Construction Company Antics & Puppet Fiasco

• Dan’s Imagined Construction Career (05:14-07:22): The co-hosts riff on Dan inheriting (but not actually running) a construction business; Roy jokes about needing a closet built, while Dan claims new “mastery” of construction.
  • Roy: “Do you have a guy? Can you come and do it?” (06:09)
  • Dan: "I am not running a construction company. There are very capable people doing that. I just have to watch them." (07:02)
• Rushed Puppets to Beat the Market (07:29): Lamentations about failed puppet merch, hastily launched to beat Rich Paul and Max Kellerman.

3. Roast of the Rich Paul/LeBron Propaganda Podcast

• Stugotz on Rich Paul’s Show: Relentlessly mocks the LeBron-centric agenda (“infomercial for LeBron James’ marketing arm”).
  • Stugotz: "It's just a podcast... to prove to everybody how LeBron is the best or LeBron is better than Michael Jordan." (08:26)
• Clips & Comparisons: They react to Paul (and Max Kellerman) comparing LeBron vs Steph to Wembanyama vs Chet Holmgren, then LeBron to Ali. Dan challenges the validity of these parallels.
  • Dan: “Do you feel like LeBron and Muhammad Ali are very similar? Like, Muhammad Ali was giving up parts of his life for the things that he believed in.” (09:45)
  • Zaslow: “No, I don't compare them at all. And that certainly flatters LeBron…” (10:32)

4. Is LeBron the Modern-Day Ali?

• Deep Dive: The roundtable discusses the complexity of athletes and activism, LeBron’s occasional stands (Trayvon Martin, BLM), and where he falls short of Ali’s cultural magnitude.
• Dan: “No one will ever be Ali, and no one will be allowed to be either.” (19:45)
• Greg Cody: “LeBron did lead the way on the discussion around Trayvon Martin… He put himself out there, along with Dwyane Wade...” (19:06)
• The hosts weigh LeBron’s impact, business entanglements, and the public’s insatiable need for “the next thing” in sports and culture (12:05-13:29, 16:23-18:58).

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5. Main Event: Myles Garrett's Blockbuster Trade

Introduction to the Trade (21:30)

• Dan: “When I say two time defensive player of the year, [Myles Garrett] is an unprecedented football player. Like that person being traded to anyone is the story of football.”

Why the A.J. Brown Story Was Overhyped

• ESPN had pre-planned A.J. Brown coverage, fueled by Adam Schefter. The A.J. Brown trade was anticipated; the Garrett trade exploded from nowhere. The panel marvels at how sports media is shaped by insider relationships and preparation, often missing the day’s TRUE bombshell.
  • Mike Ryan: “That’s because Adam Schefter has been working on this A.J. brown thing for a very long time... And then the Miles Garrett thing shocked everybody because there wasn’t a rumor about it.” (26:08)
  • Stugotz: “The A.J. brown story getting more attention… there was a salacious, gossipy aspect to the A.J. brown story between the coach and a reporter.” (27:00)
  • Dan: “What shoots through the planning is one of the biggest trades I’ve ever seen, that isn’t then covered like one of the biggest trades I’ve ever seen, because nobody’s ready for it.” (31:44)

The Historical Significance of the Garrett Trade

• Stugotz: “It’s one of the biggest trades in the history of the NFL… The best there is don’t get traded.” (24:25)
• Dan: “He’s not best at one position. He’s best at all things. Defense just got traded to the team…” (31:44)
• The Rams’ “all-in” roster construction—garnering Garrett with an aggressive, ‘win-now’ philosophy—positions the Rams as Super Bowl favorites, further evidence that in the NFL, salary cap limitations are “a myth.”
  • Mike Ryan: “When the LA Rams make a move like this, they are making a habit of [disregarding the salary cap].” (33:11)

Cap Mechanics & Team Logistics

• Roy tries—and fails—to explain the financial mechanics of the deal. The running joke is that even the “experts” are confused, reinforcing the mystery and surprise.
  • Roy: “Five years for 178 is essentially a three [year deal] for 98 [million]… a lot of stuttering there, my bad.” (34:20)
  • Dan: “No, you couldn’t have done it worse. Like, I was more confused after you spoke.” (41:23)
• The hosts express shock that only one first-round pick (and some change) wrenched Garrett from Cleveland, given his generational dominance.
  • Mike Ryan: “I cannot believe that Miles Garrett leaves Cleveland and they only get one first round draft pick for him. One first round [pick] for the reigning Defensive Player of the Year, perhaps the greatest defensive player of this generation.” (37:35)

McVay and Rams as All-In Trendsetters

• The panel credits Sean McVay’s innovative and aggressive team-building style, comparing the Rams’ moves for Garrett to their earlier ‘final piece’ acquisitions.
  • Dan: “We've been sleeping on McVay here for a few years, because he's just getting close, as if he didn't win the entire sport before Goff neutered him.” (35:54)
  • Mike Ryan: “It's the team that always finds a way to add the final piece. They must have a half dozen final pieces on this team.” (36:13)

Garrett vs. Aaron Donald: Who’s Greater?

• The point-counterpoint ponders who is the best defensive player of this generation—Garrett or Donald? The hosts ultimately see their dominance as “razor thin” close, but emphasize Garrett’s unique impact as an edge rusher.
  • Dan: “Aaron Donald is special in what he does.” (39:26)
  • Mike Ryan: “That’s a great question, Dan. Let's put it to our audience. Who's the better defensive player, Aaron Donald or Myles Garrett?” (38:54)

6. The NFL’s Drama Machine

• The hosts marvel at how the Browns, a historically dysfunctional franchise, managed to “waste” Garrett’s prime while the perennially innovative Rams capitalize.
  • Dan: “I just don't think we've properly appreciated even as much as we've covered this sport over the last few years. Because Myles Garreton, one of the losers like… we're watching all-time historic greatness like you'll never see it again...” (40:01)
  • Roy: “Did they even offer [Garrett] to anybody else?... the Rams got him and there's no information that anybody else was in on it.” (40:31)

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Memorable Quotes and Moments

• Dan Le Batard: “No one will ever be Ali, and no one will be allowed to be either.” (19:45)
• Stugotz: “It’s one of the biggest trades in the history of the league and sports.” (24:25)
• Mike Ryan: “When the LA Rams make a move like this, they are making a habit of [proving] the NFL salary cap is a myth.” (33:11)
• Roy (after botched cap explanation): “My bad.” (34:16)
• Dan Le Batard (after Roy’s confusion): “No, you couldn't have done it worse. Like, I was more confused after you spoke.” (41:23)

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Important Timestamps

• 00:00-01:00 – Ads and intro (skipped).
• 01:08 – Dan questions his own merch business model.
• 05:14 – Hilarious detour into Dan’s "construction" life.
• 07:29 – Puppet talk and rushed-to-market failures.
• 08:26 – Roast of the Rich Paul/LeBron “propaganda” podcast.
• 09:45 – LeBron vs. Ali activism debate.
• 21:30 – Introduction and shock of Myles Garrett trade.
• 24:25 – Case for the trade’s place among the biggest in NFL history.
• 26:08 – Inside story: why A.J. Brown’s coverage overshadowed Garrett.
• 31:44 – Dan critiques why media missed the real sports bombshell.
• 33:11 – NFL salary cap as “myth”; Rams’ all-in pattern.
• 35:54 – Sean McVay appreciation.
• 37:35 – Myles Garrett vs. Aaron Donald debate.
• 40:01 – Long-term significance and the Browns “wasting” Garrett.

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Conclusion

This episode is a tour de force of raucous sports banter, exploring not just the crazy business of show and sport but the very real impact of a trade that could rearrange NFL power. While A.J. Brown’s move grabbed the headlines the media prepared for, it’s Myles Garrett to the Rams that leaves the hosts (and likely, listeners) awestruck, marveling at how all-time greats almost never move and just how rare true sports surprise remains. Along the way, the team can’t help but lampoon the spectacle and chaos that is modern football media, livened by their inimitable wit and unpredictability.

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Transcript

[Dan Le Batard]

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[Mike Ryan]

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[Dan Le Batard]

Greg Cody, can you please give me some assistance? I need some help from a mentor and someone I admire on the correct way to run a business. When the following happens, I walk into the other room and on the televisions, headlining for the merchandise this show sells lebatardaf.com is a shirt celebrating ZSAs and one of his best jokes on our show and on all the televisions. As I come out, I'm surrounded by a T shirt that says Not a Cuck and Greg Cody when I walk out there and the star of that T shirt says while looking at the business he's invested his heart into, now who's the market for that? When the star of Not a Cuck looks at that T shirt and says, who would buy that? Do you think that I'm doing advertising wrong?

[Zaslow]

It's a weird T shirt. I don't think zsas would buy it or wear it. And so therefore I'm trying to figure out who might.

[Dan Le Batard]

Do you understand the structural business flaw I'm asking about when I'm walking out? And the star of the T shirt of Merch meant to use his name, image and likeness in the modern age to create fandom around his character. As everyone knows, identity is currency. Yeah, the Nutta Cuck T shirt. If you're gonna wear that on a college campus, you're gonna be celebrating the secret Zazz. That's not doing Broadcaster guy. He's doing Not a Cuckoo.

[Zaslow]

Yeah, I don't even know how many people know what the word cuck means in a sexual romantic.

[Dan Le Batard]

Do you know? Do you know what it means given that you didn't know what the Cuck command center was and this is what's burying so maybe those people are a market for the. Not a cuck joke. The people who are. Zaz is getting buried on the Internet. And you don't understand why you're sitting in the middle of our show. Because I don't think you know what a cuck is and you don't want to be out.

[Zaslow]

Yeah, I do. You know, I'm a learned man, you know.

[Dan Le Batard]

Do you know what's happening to Zaz on the Internet?

[Zaslow]

I don't know. I am not on the Internet every day. Like, I really.

[Stugats]

You go days without being on the Internet?

[Zaslow]

Well, first of all, is it. Is it YouTube? Is it Instagram? Like, what is happening? Where to you?

[Stugats]

Twitter?

[Zaslow]

Twitter. Okay, we don't call it Twitter anymore. But your point is well taken. X. No, no. I have zero idea what is happening to you related to cuck on Twitter. I don't know.

[Stugats]

Our listeners like sending me pictures of different cuck chairs almost always in hotel rooms.

[Zaslow]

Okay.

[Stugats]

Yeah.

[Zaslow]

What's a cuck chair?

[Dan Le Batard]

So you don't know what a cuck is?

[Zaslow]

Yeah. Yes, I do. What's a chair, though?

[Stugats]

So put two and two together. Then if you know what it is, you know what a cuck is. You know what a chair is. Put two and two together. What do you think it is?

[Dan Le Batard]

It doesn't matter.

[Zaslow]

Okay. I'm going to investigate.

[Greg Cody]

Yeah, you should investigate. But when we're talking about the market for these shirts, I did recently purchase with my own hard earned money, a shirt with Greg Cody's face on it that says, my wife always handles the wand. So there are people out there who are going to buy these.

[Zaslow]

Thank you. Where's my residual?

[Greg Cody]

Well, David Sampson says that without Dan, none of us have a face. So we don't get any money from that.

[Dan Le Batard]

The other question I'm asking, though, the rest of you, before we get to AJ Brown and Miles Garrett, I am going to get to that. Here. Is that the way to run a business like jazz? Just as a curiosity. I don't know whether I'm speaking out of line here. You are now full time. Like you are somebody who's. Who's got a. A percentage of Metal Arc Media. Zaslow is officially. I don't know. Yes. Let's celebrate this. I don't know whether these. There's a company announcement of some sort. Like there's lukewarm interest.

[Stugats]

Thanks, Tony.

[Roy]

I thought you were always full time.

[Mike Ryan]

You get the Pulitzer now, too?

[Stugats]

I can claim it now?

[Dan Le Batard]

Yes. He works for a Pulitzer prize winning.

[Stugats]

Thanks, Roy.

[Dan Le Batard]

Wait a minute. While he Was here. He worked for a Pulitzer prize winning media company.

[Greg Cody]

So everyone but me and Greg then.

[Dan Le Batard]

Greg is not full time.

[Zaslow]

No. Nor do I owe own a share of the company.

[Dan Le Batard]

Do you want to be full time? You could be.

[Zaslow]

Really?

[Dan Le Batard]

Yes, of course. I've been asking you to retire for years.

[Zaslow]

Yeah. What's in it for me?

[Mike Ryan]

It's not really retiring.

[Zaslow]

That's true. That would not be retiring to go from one full time job.

[Dan Le Batard]

I just don't know how it ends for Greg Cody at the Miami Herald. I don't know. I don't know how that ends. Be careful, Greg.

[Mike Ryan]

It's not what you think. You're going to be working construction.

[Zaslow]

I could do that.

[Dan Le Batard]

I need to make this clear before this gets back to the family that I'm sitting here saying I'm running a construction company to be clear because we've already said too much here. Her father was the leader of a construction company.

[Stugats]

And now you are.

[Roy]

Now you own and run construction company.

[Stugats]

The estate sick inheritance.

[Dan Le Batard]

The estate is now responsible for a construction company. That does not mean I'm running.

[Stugats]

People must look at you sideways. He passed away and all of a sudden you're in charge.

[Dan Le Batard]

Guys. You guys have me. No, but what you guys are doing

[Stugats]

is all of a sudden at night

[Dan Le Batard]

I'm walking in dickies work boots and a miner's hat and I'm walking across a dusty trail and with a clipboard saying, Mario, I feel like you nailed it.

[Roy]

That's exactly what I think you're doing. By the way, I need some closet set up. Do you have a guy? Can you come and do it? I don't know.

[Zaslow]

I love how you think that construction workers wear miners helmets.

[Dan Le Batard]

The reason I made it a miner's helmet is because a construction helmet during the day doesn't have a light. These are the things you learn when you're a master of the construction business. But at night, it needs a light on top. So I was speaking to the masses who don't know construction the way that I have learned construction over the last.

[Mike Ryan]

When you tour a site, your hands are just in your pockets and you're just like. You give like a little knock on a wall. Well, is this supposed to be here?

[Greg Cody]

Are we finishing?

[Stugats]

This looks good.

[Zaslow]

Are you hands on? Are you like driving the dump truck? You know, driving the cement mixer. How does that work?

[Dan Le Batard]

I just, I don't want it getting back to the people who run this construction company that I've declared myself boss of this construction company.

[Mike Ryan]

No, that's Greg's Job now. Congratulations.

[Stugats]

You don't want to get back to your employees?

[Dan Le Batard]

They're not my employees. They're the estate's employees. And the estate was left in our care without us knowing what to do anyway, so you. I am not running a construction company. There are very capable people doing that. I just have to watch them. They're the foreman. Check under those floorboards.

[Mike Ryan]

Maybe there will be Beatles there, but

[Greg Cody]

don't worry, they're a little bit litigious.

[Mike Ryan]

It's a good hack.

[Dan Le Batard]

You know what? Thank you for bringing the puppets in. I want to get to A.J. brown and Miles Garrett, but the puppets have been a failure, and we rushed the puppets to market just to beat Rich Paul and Max Kellerman to market.

[Greg Cody]

You can't rush things to market.

[Mike Ryan]

That's how you end up with holes

[Greg Cody]

in your floorboards and beetles running through them.

[Mike Ryan]

And they're very litigious. All right, let's keep developing it, preferably off mic.

[Dan Le Batard]

I don't. Rich Paul is in the news.

[Stugats]

This podcast. Dan, like, have you seen the recent at least clips? Because I don't know anyone's. Like, watch. Go listen to these. Rich Paul podcast.

[Dan Le Batard]

Who was that guy?

[Stugats]

It was a guy who listens to the Rich Paul podcast.

[Dan Le Batard]

Is that. No, but Rich Paul, Max Kellerman. This is a. Is. This is a ringer podcast is on Netflix. This is Matt. This is Max Kellerman's.

[Stugats]

What do you mean?

[Dan Le Batard]

Why are you mocking this show? This is a big show.

[Stugats]

Because that's what I do when there's things I don't like. I mock it. That's what I do.

[Dan Le Batard]

And what don't you like about it?

[Stugats]

Well, because it appears that this Rich Paul podcast. It's just a podcast that he uses to prop up his friend. That's the whole. That's the whole show. It's him just giving examples of how LeBron is better than Michael Jordan. That's every clip I see.

[Dan Le Batard]

Infomercial for. For LeBron James marketing arm.

[Stugats]

Yeah, it's just like, we have to remind everybody that LeBron is the greatest ever. And specifically that he's greater than Michael Jordan. Like. Like, for instance. Okay, let me play a clip for you here, Dan. So he's making a comparison here to how what happened to Chet Holmgren in Game seven. What wembanyama did to Chet Holmgren in Game seven. He then finds a way to compare that to what LeBron did to Steph Curry back in the 2016 Finals. Now, I've never heard that comparison before, but apparently what Wembanyama did to Chet Holmgren is very similar to what LeBron did to Steph Curry. Can we have that clip?

[Dan Le Batard]

I always looked at LeBron to be more of what I would say was the people's champ in terms of, you know, like.

[Stugats]

Like.

[Dan Le Batard]

Like Muhammad Ali was. Even when he lost, I felt like people really embraced him.

[Stugats]

He also did not shy away from the issues of his day. Yeah. And so I was always impressed by that controversial issue would come up, Social, political issue. And I thought that there were one or two missteps I wasn't crazy about. But. But related to Daryl Morey in China. I didn't love that, but I understood he has a lot of business over there, and so did a lot of people. Okay, so you have to excuse me. That clip there, though, was him comparing LeBron to Muhammad Ali. And at least upon first hearing it, like, I don't know, like, do you feel like LeBron and Muhammad Ali are very similar? Like, Muhammad Ali was giving up parts of his life for the things that he believed in. Like, he gave up the heavyweight championship to stand on what he believed was his morals. And, like, do we feel like that's LeBron?

[Zaslow]

No, I don't compare them at all. And that certainly flatters LeBron. But why would you be surprised that a podcast with LeBron's agents would be pro LeBron?

[Stugats]

Well, no, no, no. Not pro LeBron. It's all. It's consistently using it as an opportunity to prove to everybody how LeBron is the best or LeBron is better than Michael Jordan. Let me give you the clip here that I was trying to set up where he makes the comparison. He, LeBron, apparently did to Steph Curry. What Wembanyama did to Chet Holmgren. What Wemby did to Chet, in a way, is what LeBron did to Steph in that game.

[Dan Le Batard]

Well, I don't know about that, Max.

[Stugats]

It was an emphatic.

[Mike Ryan]

It's.

[Zaslow]

I.

[Stugats]

Like, when he. When did he scream on him in game six?

[Mike Ryan]

Right where he square.

[Stugats]

He blocked the shot. He blocked his shot and screamed on him. And Steph kind of like, had his head hung.

[Mike Ryan]

Right.

[Stugats]

There was something in that moment where it was like, yo, you gotta respond. You can't let someone. I think. I just think we eat that. I mean, really, like, he emasculated Steph Curry the way that we. Steph Curry gave a zero performance the way that Chet Holmgren did a couple of nights ago. Has anyone ever heard that before?

[Zaslow]

I haven't. But at the same time, celebrating LeBron James is not just his lane. I mean in general. But you guys are airing the Step back series celebrating LeBron James is not clear in the property of Rich Paul. Right. I mean, it's done. He's our most celebrated athlete, active, you could argue.

[Dan Le Batard]

I know. We'll move on. Okay. Life always does. Sports move very quickly. Wemby will take over the NBA and this is what it will look like. He's here from the future and he's the new guy. Get out of the way, LeBron. But it is not ridiculous to say that LeBron James is the modern day Muhammad Ali, which just means famous at this time, this time of 20 years, dominated most powerful American athlete, got into very little trouble. And while he did not take up the social causes perhaps the way that you would have liked him to in the modern day. We've talked about one person for 20 years the same way we did with Ali. That's the unusual part. In the modern day, he has dominated. He's the only thing that comes close to what football is. He has dominated sports conversation in this country for 20 years. And so I'm not even sure second place is particularly close. Steph is not it. For 20 years everyone's talking about this one athlete in this one sport. And he falls on some meek side of some public issues and political size and corporatized and bought and places where business conflicts make an appearance. But LeBron James has been the most, if you say 15 years, free agency. Money is the thing that makes everything go. Like for 15 years he's been polarizing at the center of American politics. Maybe not like you wanted him to be more than Michael, not as much as Ali, but who else?

[Roy]

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[Mike Ryan]

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[Roy]

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[Mike Ryan]

summer always hits different once the big game starts stacking up. Now you've got finals games on every other night, baseball's rolling all week, racing on the weekends, and suddenly everybody's looking for an excuse to get together. The other night, a buddy texted me, we've got the game on, come through. I figured I'd stop by for maybe an hour. That was optimistic. Next thing you know, everybody's locked into the game, and we're all part of the coaching staff. Somebody's yelling at the ref. Somebody else is suddenly an expert on pitch strategy, and nobody's even pretending they're leaving early anymore. It's one of those nights where you take a sip of Miller Lite, look around, and realize, yeah, this is exactly what summer is supposed to be. That's why Miller Lite is always part of these nights for me. It's clean, refreshing, easy to drink when it's hot outside, and perfect for long nights hanging with friends, watching games. An all American summer starts with an all American beer, Miller lite. Go to millerlight.com dan to find delivery options near you. Or you can pick up some Miller Lite pretty much anywhere they sell beer. It's Miller time. Celebrate responsibly. Miller Brewing Co. Milwaukee, Wisconsin. 96 calories and 3.2 carbs per 12 ounces. Tony, you know that moment at a party or at a tailgate where everything just sort of clicks? I know it.

[Zaslow]

Well.

[Roy]

It's usually when I show up, everybody goes crazy.

[Mike Ryan]

Yeah. You usually take all the credit for it, but it's because Tony usually walks in with Cuervo. Walking like this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Cuervo is a thing that turns hanging out into this is the night.

[Roy]

It has that effect on people.

[Mike Ryan]

It does. You usually take the credit for it, but again, it's the Cuervo effect. It's like that moment in a big game where everyone in the crowd just starts standing up, hooting and hollering. Keep it Cuervo.

[Roy]

Keep it Cuervo, baby.

[Dan Le Batard]

Don Lebatard. This is the quickest it goes. Hey, this is the quickest it goes. Stugats, everybody. This is the quickest it goes. Yeah.

[Stugats]

This is the Dan Levatar show with the stugats. Do you think people like. Like LeBron more when he was losing? Like, that point was made all people's champ, you know, the Muhammad Ali would lose you know, people would still gravitate toward him. When LeBron would lose, he gained more and more criticism. Like there was more people.

[Dan Le Batard]

Right.

[Stugats]

Maybe unfair, you know.

[Dan Le Batard]

Oh, but I thought that was a reflection of the time he birthed, though. If you're the social media athlete, you think Ali would have been what he was in this cesspool, like, where everyone's got all their opinions on the Internet and people think the Internet is real and it's. And it's everything. Like, you think this dystopia, whatever LeBron James has had to traffic in this stupidity of a generation raised on addicted to their devices, gossiping about LeBron every day. Ali didn't hear all that shit. Ali didn't live in that. Ali saw that in some of the streets and some of the fights. But LeBron was living that war on the Internet as, man, we were here when he joined Twitter. Welcome. LeBron is access. All that's cracked up to be. Here's the Internet. And every single thing you do will be talked about so much that you'll get addicted to the attention. And your agent will team with Max Kellerin because you want to do content companies next because you don't want that attention to go away. Who would. LeBron James isn't going to just give up 20 years if I was the most important thing. You think he's going to just fade into broadcasting? Like, whatever they're doing next is content. It's in Hollywood. Like, the game for them is the next 20 years. Like Rich Paul and LeBron created a company. That company that now has Max Kellerman in and around it that represents 90 NBA players and I think 600 athletes. Like, it's a monster company.

[Stugats]

My, My, My favorite, though.

[Dan Le Batard]

Isn't that how you become Ali of the modern age, though? Because now you're going to fight the tech guys.

[Stugats]

I mean, when I think of Ali, like, I think more about the social causes and the impact that his. His words had and his actions had and the morality that he stood on. And, like, I don't feel that that's LeBron.

[Dan Le Batard]

No, it's just a rich, modern athlete who stood for player me first. Empowerment. But Ali stood for me first, too. He was just in an individual sport. He was fighting the country.

[Zaslow]

I agree with Zaz. Bill Russell was in Ali's company in terms of the athletic stature met by the social justice warrior vibe. LeBron. No, LeBron is the biggest star in sports right now anyway, for. For a while longer. But not to be compared with Ali, in my opinion.

[Greg Cody]

I will say like at the beginning of his career, or if you want to call it the midpoint, when he was with the Heat. LeBron did lead the way on the discussion around Trayvon Martin.

[Zaslow]

That's true. But what else like that else?

[Greg Cody]

That was a big deal. He put himself out there along with Dwyane Wade, in a way. And to Roy's point.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah.

[Greg Cody]

When. When everything was going on with George Floyd and Black Lives Matter, like, he was out in front of on a lot of that stuff. Now, it doesn't mean that he stood up for every single cause in every single moment. He. He ultimately is a billionaire. Right. You don't become a billionaire by standing up against every single corporate entity when those things are going on. But he absolutely put himself out there, particularly at that first time where the Big Three was hated. He may have been a star, but to be out in front on something like that happening in his own state.

[Dan Le Batard]

Let me ask the group of you this, okay? When I ask you, how are you supposed to do it? Yes. Of easy stance alert. No one will ever be Ali, and no one will be allowed to be either. There is no person who will step into this breach and do it the correct way. Ali didn't know he was doing it the correct way. He was just fighting for the right things. And at the time, he was willing to not go kill people in Vietnam because he proved to be right on the side of history during a totally different time. When presented with Traymond Martin at Traymond, when you're. When you're presented with a controversy, you're the MVP of the league. You came here at 25. You are just now developing your adult voice on how do I attack important things. I'm going to do it by bowing my head in a hoodie so that everybody knows that our kids look like this, too. And the Miami Heat absolutely made that a name that echoed with sports, used the right way. The time he chose to do it best, he could have fought on China and did not, because everybody's in business together now. But there's no right way to do it. He had the opportunities to do it, and history will show him largely right on many, many things, including making money for LeBron James and his friends and empowering those people and changing the sport, but not necessarily changing the world. Maybe they'll do it with their content, but not necessarily changing the world. But who can do that? Whose responsibility? Like, who could, if not. If I say take LeBron James on the off the table, who is the modern day Ali? Who gets to be that person Kurt

[Mike Ryan]

Schilling,

[Roy]

Patriot oh, Red Sock. Really

[Stugats]

good.

[Roy]

Could have played football if you wanted to. Good arm.

[Mike Ryan]

Speaking of football, you can achieve all things through Christ.

[Dan Le Batard]

Philippines 413 I had a takeaway yesterday. There are many things now being said and written about A.J. brown and Myles Garrett. One of them was expected, one of them was not. And I want to talk about the teams and the players in a second because the AJ Brown stuff is interesting and people seem to be super interested in it. When A.J. brown tells Maria Taylor, hey, I had Patriot rugs in my house for the last few years even when I was with the Eagles. This is my team. It's my team. Since I was a kid I was doing what I was supposed to be doing with the Eagles. But this is it. A 28 year old is now going to be with the Patriots, hell bent on being their number one receiver in a way that's better than Stefan Diggs was and isn't being entrusted with the future of Drake May when the Eagles are just telling you, yeah, you can't trust your future with him, right? Like whatever it is the decisions were, he's saying that people just grow apart. He's telling Maria Taylor about Jalen Hurts. Nothing happened. People just grow apart like that. There was nothing there worth reporting, but they were at the center of a champion and a weird style of play, if we're really being honest, where they were just mauling you for two years, their cement mixers running down the field and Jalen Hurts going to play conservative ball with a number one receiver who's like, hey, I'm good for 150, whoever's throwing the football. And so like that division is like the collision of where sports was. They won a championship because they were trusting Lane Johnson and not trusting their quarterback. And when they needed A.J. brown they said, yeah, we'll trust him. So many people are talking about this and putting this story ahead of the Myles Garrett story as a move and the way it was covered just really did sort of mystify me because I'm looking at Myles Garrett changing teams and when I say two time defensive player of the year, that's an unprecedented football player. Like that person being traded to anyone is the story of football. There's never been anyone like him except. Except anybody. Reggie White, like is that the. That's the only comp I got. Lawrence Taylor, like whatever. What. What was just traded is best in the league two years in a row, no question. Not just best at sacks, best defensive player. And we're talking about the drama around A.J. brown, who has never once been the number one player at his position, never mind number one player on offense. And it was just to going mystifying to me when the Rams are clearly a piece away and wherever it is that the Eagles and the Patriots were. The Rams, wherever it is you thought last year the Eagles and the Patriots were. The Rams are closer. Like the Rams are more legitimately ready to take over the next two years because of who they've got in charge, the moves they're making, the specifics of. No, we're playing for right now this year because I don't know what my quarterback is going to look like after the year the way the Rams are going all in. I thought that story overshadowed the A.J. brown story by skyscrapers.

[Stugats]

It should. The Myles Garrett trade is legitimately one of the biggest trades in the history of the league and sports. Like without a doubt it's one of the biggest trades in the history of the NFL. I stopped to say in sports because in that sport, in the NFL, just so many players, like, it's hard to trade for one guy.

[Dan Le Batard]

No, the reason I just say it is because Myles Garrett, in terms of all time greats across sports, whether I'm not talking about fame or legendary status, the best there is, don't get traded.

[Stugats]

Yeah, yeah. It's. It's without question one of the biggest trades of all time. And I think that.

[Dan Le Batard]

I don't know why Roy's laughing. I don't know why Roy is laughing

[Roy]

at you having lunch with the boys, fixing up that skyscraper later.

[Zaslow]

Nice hat. No, I'm just kidding. Got you there. That's a Greg Cody first down.

[Dan Le Batard]

That joke has to be so good to interrupt you in the middle of your work.

[Stugats]

It's a good joke.

[Dan Le Batard]

It's.

[Stugats]

It's a very good vigil joke.

[Dan Le Batard]

Jeremy still wandering around with that puppet, doesn't know what to do with it. We spent money on those puppets and we wanted to go first to air because Max Kellerman had a puppet. When I was having dinner with him, he said that he had a puppet.

[Mike Ryan]

We are not going to the puppet right now. We are still talking about the biggest trade arguably in sports history. Enough with the puppets.

[Stugats]

All right? I'm glad you mentioned Miles Garrett.

[Dan Le Batard]

He's gonna be an LA Ram.

[Roy]

Dan, did you hear that?

[Stugats]

It's gonna be an all LA Super Bowl. That's right, Dano.

[Dan Le Batard]

Like 1980 Lake Placid.

[Mike Ryan]

And he's always willing to put his

[Dan Le Batard]

hard hat on and compete.

[Mike Ryan]

Just like me in construction.

[Dan Le Batard]

Wait, where'd that go? My puppet doesn't look like me.

[Mike Ryan]

I think there's a reason why the discourse was what it was. That's because Adam Schefter has been working on this A.J. brown thing for a very long time. He primed everybody before the draft that this wasn't going to happen. And then yesterday, we are going to have this trade complete. Inside of 24 hours. ESPN had mobilized. They were ready for this day. Adam did a lot of reporting on it. That was going to be wall to wall coverage. And then the Miles Garrett thing shocked everybody because there wasn't a rumor about it. No one had had any whispers or smoke. And it came out as that A.J. brown thing was already developing and the Internet has already been having fun with A.J. brown and Jalen Hurts, a possible schism between the two. And that was a meatier story. And then the Miles Garrett thing just like came and shocked everybody.

[Stugats]

I thought the A.J. brown story getting more attention. Mike's right to an extent. I think it also, I was thinking it's because there was a salacious, gossipy aspect to the A.J. brown story between the coach and between a reporter.

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[Zaslow]

Baker Mayfield tearing up Tampa Bay 38

[Dan Le Batard]

for 45 Stugats Stratham this is the

[Stugats]

Don LeBatar show with the Stugats.

[Dan Le Batard]

Well, Mike just brought up something that I did notice yesterday, and I was thinking a couple of things here when all of this happened, because the coverage was a bit confusing to me right when Miles Garrett gets traded anytime in my lifetime, whatever that is, okay? Network news and all the sports places shout from the mountaintops for days. You're not going to believe who just got traded where. This is a shocker. And it had on it. That story had three names on it. When I was reading the byline, it said, sources. The Garrett story falling out of the sky. Sources told Ian Rappaport and Adam Schefter and there was another name on that story. And it made me confused as to whether the day's coverage was planned and everyone KNEW it was A.J. brown Day and the machine was moved by where'd this come from? How'd this happen? And I'm just asking you, in all the parts of this story, when I do say no, it's one of the biggest trades in sports history because not just this guy traded for him, but what the Rams are doing. They were play away last year. And they're like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Whatever your contract is, come on over here. Yeah, we got a good pass rusher, but he's not as good as you. I thought they were going to put him together. I thought the two of them, I thought it was going to be Verse and Garrett. And I'm like, holy shit, what are they doing there? They've got all the corners, they've got all the pass rushers. They're going to club everybody this year if they don't get hurt.

[Mike Ryan]

I saw we were, we were laughing because the lower third said on first take, are the Rams now Super bowl favorites? And they had the odds, the market pricing according to the DraftKings sports app. And I'm like, well, when you check that app yesterday they were already the favorite.

[Stugats]

So it's. Are they still the favorites?

[Mike Ryan]

They're more the favorite.

[Stugats]

Does Myers Garrett hurt their chances of winning the Super Bowl?

[Zaslow]

Bigger favorites.

[Greg Cody]

I could really use to have pocah's hands in my construction business.

[Dan Le Batard]

I don't know.

[Stugats]

I'm working on it.

[Dan Le Batard]

I'm telling you though, that when Zaz says this, what should have mushroom clouded into the sky yesterday. Look, we are all understanding now that there's orchestration and what the information business is, right? Football was meant to dominate yesterday with whatever was happening with A.J. brown that Adam Schefter can tell you from. However it is he gets his information, hey, this is going to happen probably in the next 24 hours. And then what shoots through the planning is one of the biggest trades I've ever seen. That isn't then covered like one of the biggest trades I've ever seen because nobody's ready for it. And what I'm telling you is when Myles Garrett is traded, that alone is enough to make it one of the biggest trades in the history of sports. Not just football, just that guy traded best in the league two years in a row. It's really hard to do. He's not best at one position. He's best at all things. Defense just got traded to the team that while we've been talking about is Sam Darnold in charge or whatever wants this year more than everyone else. Drake May is here to help A.J. brown or A.J. brown is here to help Drake May for the next three or four years. This is coming to help Matthew Stafford right now. This is one last call on our quarterback can be the MVP for one more year. I hope Puka gets out of rehab okay and I hope our physical injuries can withstand because The San Francisco 49ers are going to get taken out by the power plant again.

[Mike Ryan]

It's a franchise that is making a habit of putting all their chips in for one last Matthew Stafford run. And we've heard that for four seasons running. When they get guys like Jalen Ramsey, right, they, they, they did the all in aggressive move. Let's trade our picks for corner help and they end up with Miles Garrett. And it caught everybody by surprise to the point that I haven't seen a think piece or really any sort of information on how the contract that was reported to be impossible to move ended up on the team that doesn't have any cap room or assets to get something like this done. And yet we are always saying that the NFL salary cap is a myth. When the LA Rams make a move like this, they are making a habit of.

[Roy]

Mike, I'm glad you bring it up. So some people have done some math on it. Effectively the Rams are taking on the remaining five years and 178 million on on Garrett's contract. But it's essentially a three year deal worth about 99 million that can get. The Rams can get out get after it after the 28 season. A lot of stuttering there. My bad.

[Dan Le Batard]

Okay. And no information that's useful to me because I didn't understand what you were saying. Okay.

[Roy]

So five, five years for 178 is essentially a three for 98. They can get get out of it after the 28 season.

[Dan Le Batard]

The larger point I would say here, because I don't. You can give me math explained well or explained poorly.

[Roy]

I gave you both. But what I will give you is the cap hits for the Rams. So next year they're only paying them $8 million. That's why they're able to do it.

[Dan Le Batard]

But no, like you don't need to explain anything to me about the salary cap for me to tell you. Hey world. What the Rams just announced is that they're more all in on Stafford and McVeigh this year than anyone's all in on all in this year in football. Not my homes, not the Patriots. What are you laughing at, Roy? Are you laughing at the puppet or how poorly Tony said all of that?

[Mike Ryan]

This has been an excellent show, man. Today has been fabulous.

[Dan Le Batard]

That's not what I was out of this. The salary cap. I know the permutations actually matter and are important, but Greg, you're our football expert. Am I, Am I dabbling in hyperbole when I say this is one of the biggest trades you will ever See,

[Zaslow]

in sports, it's one of the biggest, and it's certainly the biggest of this off season, 100%. And one of the reasons I love. It's a much bigger trade than A.J. brown on the face of it, but also because of the surprise element. Everybody's known for months that A.J. brown was going to be traded. Everybody's known for months that the Patriots were the landing spot. This. How refreshing is it in the age of insider scoops to actually have a blockbuster trade?

[Dan Le Batard]

It just makes me think that we've been sleeping on McVay here for a few years because he's just getting close, as if he didn't win the entire sport before Goff neutered him. Like this guy was ahead of the entirety of the curve. This ostensibly, yes. Myles Garrett is available to everyone, right?

[Stugats]

Yeah.

[Mike Ryan]

Yes. And it's the team that always finds a way to add the final piece. They must have a half dozen final pieces on this team.

[Dan Le Batard]

Well, no, what you were saying before. I know you guys were making fun of me all of last football season about the fact that I was saying, jesus, the Rams are great. Like, I know they're great. And then, you know, whatever punt returns, weird fumbles, Seattle beats them and you know, they lose. They lose for whatever the reasons are. One of them passed for us actually, because their corners got exposed because Verse and others. Well, that's going to be solved like that. One of the problems they had at the end of the season is the defense couldn't get off of the field and so they just got the best there is. Like, it's not. Maybe somebody else is. No, they just got the best there is. Dallas Green Bay, whatever you think you're doing with Micah Parsons or did financially, the Rams just got the best there is. And when I say Lawrence Taylor and Reggie White, it's purposeful. Do not lose sight of the mastery of what's happening in these games at the moment. When you talk about LeBron James or Ohtani Myles Garrett, the best there is all time at getting at the quarterback. Will you look at how fast they're getting rid of the football? He'll still wreck you. Like there's never been anything like this in the league and now the Rams have it.

[Zaslow]

Yeah.

[Mike Ryan]

I cannot believe that Miles Garrett leaves Cleveland and they only get one first round draft pick for him. And I understand. Versus a fine player and I understand he's good at a second and a third. But one first round draft pick for the reigning defensive player of the year, perhaps the greatest defensive player of this Generation. And the only argument that you would have against that is probably Aaron Donald, who is now threatening everybody with workout videos. Check him out.

[Zaslow]

I don't like this.

[Mike Ryan]

They want to test him. I am so scared for Carson Beck.

[Dan Le Batard]

Can we see some of those, please? Please tell me we have Aaron Donald working out videos. Because this Aaron Donald is the only thing in this generation that comes close. And I think even Aaron Donald. Do I have this wrong? Would there be more respect in doing it from the middle? I think Aaron Donald might even say, Myles Garrett is the best of our generation.

[Roy]

Yeah, he looks at that guy and is like, that dude is good.

[Dan Le Batard]

Maybe not, though. Maybe not. Aaron Donald was doing it from the middle of the field and putting up sack. Sack totals that were in double digits. Like, I don't. I just can't believe that the Rams got him. Like, what do I have to do to make a football story bigger? Like, what to make. To give you surprise. Give you the Rams. Give you how much more stardom I got to make it a quarterback?

[Mike Ryan]

Yeah, that's a great question, Dan. Let's put it to our audience. Who's the better defensive player, Aaron Donald or Miles Garrett?

[Dan Le Batard]

Greg.

[Stugats]

Miles Garrett, I think Aaron Donald.

[Mike Ryan]

Audience, I'm listening.

[Dan Le Batard]

That one's razor thin. That's how we started our social media campaign with espn. Aaron Donald is a beast. That was my first. That was my first foray in the.

[Stugats]

I think they're both great in their own way.

[Dan Le Batard]

Aaron Donald is special in what he does.

[Stugats]

So is Miles Garrett. I'm Elon Musk. Oh, wait, wrong bit. Thank you.

[Dan Le Batard]

Billy. Don't give him the keys to the angel.

[Roy]

I told you.

[Dan Le Batard]

I told you not to give him the keys to the puppet.

[Roy]

Well, sorry, there's two puppets.

[Dan Le Batard]

If you put him in the room with the puppets and the angels, the delicate flower will come out and we will not do well as a show.

[Greg Cody]

Happy pride.

[Mike Ryan]

Who is happiest about this trade? I'm gonna say Joe Burrow easily.

[Dan Le Batard]

I just don't think we've properly appreciated even as much as we've covered this sport over the last few years. Because Myles Garreton, one of the losers like that we're watching all time historic greatness like you'll never see it again type of stuff. You haven't seen it many times before. But it doesn't matter because it's not in playoff games and because the Browns in management of this and everything else have been such an epically run dumpster fire that is the opposite of what the Rams are. How was this available to everyone in the league, and it was stolen from the worst team by the best team.

[Roy]

This is kind of the same conversation we had with Luca, right? All of a sudden it was like, middle of the night, hey, there's a massive trade. One of the biggest trades in sports. How did the Lakers get them? Did they even offer them to anybody else? Like, do we know? Maybe we can have some reporting later on if the Rams were able to just call them and say, hey, would you trade us Miles Garrett? And they said yes. Or maybe there was a couple teams that were trying to vie for this in the background. Like, it just seems like the Rams

[Dan Le Batard]

got him and there's no information that anybody else was in on it. And it's a blockbuster because nobody knew he was going to be traded. Somebody please explain to me how this happened.

[Stugats]

I mean, I know we're saying how the salary cap is not real in the NFL, but if we're being realistic, there's probably only a few teams that had the cap space to be able to acquire him. Now, it's not even like the Rams had the cap space because they also sent that.

[Dan Le Batard]

The Rams have the cap space. They're giving Stafford 55 million over here. How did somebody explain it to me?

[Roy]

I did poorly.

[Dan Le Batard]

No, you couldn't have done it worse. Like, I was more confused after you spoke. Okay, so then I got worse when

[Roy]

you gave me numbers and there was 8 million. Then it's 16 million next year, and then it's another 16 million after that.

[Dan Le Batard]

Okay, I'm Greg, I don't know if this is moving too fast for you. Please give me some football expertise on what the hell just happened here. How more quietly than A.J. brown did the best of the football teams that we've had the last 10 years, led by the smartest of guys, a team that is all in because they've already done this with corners and they're playing for next year only with Matt Stafford. We all kind of know the MVP of the league is probably done after this.

[Zaslow]

I'm assuming the mystery here isn't how they finagle the salary cap to make this work. Obviously they can. And part of it is that he's getting very little amount of money next year. The mystery here is how can there not have been at least one and probably multiple other teams offering Cleveland more than they got salary cap.

[Mike Ryan]

Well, not just that. I guess you could theorize that the Browns wanted to do right by Myles Garrett and send him to a team that is well positioned to win a championship.

[Dan Le Batard]

Oh, But Mike, this does feel like Luca to me. Like this is the comp. The comp is Luka. I'm watching this trade happen and I'm like, the Browns, while giving DeSean Watson all the guaranteed money, have so ruined their last 10 years of doing the opposite of what the Rams are doing that they not only wasted the Myles Garrett years because, God help me, those defenses were only good because he was on them. They had. They didn't have. They didn't have great players.

[Mike Ryan]

They had other good pieces.

[Roy]

They had good pieces on that secondary too.

[Dan Le Batard]

Miles Garrett. The reason the Brown. The reason the Browns were as good as they were, even though they've been dreadful, is because everyone knows every week you got to stop Myles Garrett. Every precision you have known to man making the ball come out in 2.3 seconds knows that Myles Garrett can't wreck your defense, your offense. And he still did it because it was Myles Garrett's defense. Like, when I'm talking about the responsibilities of an all time great, this guy has made this a professional franchise by himself. Like I feel pretty comfortable saying that. No matter what seven other good players the Browns had while throwing to shirtless David and Joku. Like, I got it.

[Mike Ryan]

Don't forget what he did to Mason Rudolph.

[Dan Le Batard]

I got it.

[Mike Ryan]

What happened there?

[Dan Le Batard]

The Browns might have had six good

[Mike Ryan]

players for Steeler, but Patriot man, that is confusing.

[Roy]

See.