Pablo Torre Finds Out Has WON THE PULITZER PRIZE | Local Hour

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Episode: Pablo Torre Finds Out Has WON THE PULITZER PRIZE | Local Hour
Date: May 5, 2026
Recording Location: Elser Hotel, Downtown Miami

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Episode Overview

In this Local Hour, Dan Le Batard, Stugotz, and the crew react to the stunning news that the Pablo Torre Finds Out podcast has won the Pulitzer Prize for audio reporting. The group delves into what this means for sports journalism, its impact on the NBA and key figures like Steve Ballmer, and reflects on the intersection of sports, media legitimacy, and institutional accountability. The conversation shifts to a deep dive on Miami sports venues, F1's economic impact, the management of Inter Miami and Lionel Messi’s media approach, and wraps with playful banter about the Kentucky Derby and the NHL draft lottery.

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Section 1: Pablo Torre Finds Out Wins the Pulitzer Prize

Main Discussion & Reaction

• Mike and Dan immediately celebrate the podcast’s win—rare for the sports world and unprecedented for a pod with "salary cap jokes."
  • “A Pulitzer Prize for Pablo Torre Finds Out. That's right, everybody, give it up for Pablo.” – Mike (02:00)
• Amin Elhassan humorously recalls Pablo Torre’s call telling him they’d won the Pulitzer:
  • "He said, 'hold on, let me get Sampson on the line.' ... I'm like, maybe we're gonna do another episode. ... So he says, 'well, we just won a Pulitzer.' And I said, 'Wow, we won the sports Pulitzer, huh?' ... And he's like, 'there's no sports Pulitzer.'" (02:38)
• Amin contextualizes the win by listing the other nominees—major stories about Middle Eastern conflict and transgender youth health policy.
  • “I know there are people who work very hard their entire lives to win something like this. And I just hung out with Sampson and Pablo and just explained some salary cap stuff and made some jokes along the way.” – Amin (04:21)
  • “Now I’m in the same list as, like, early Ernest Hemingway and Harper Lee.” – Amin (04:32)
• Crew discusses how the Pulitzer puts a stamp of legitimacy on the reporting, making it harder for NBA figures like Steve Ballmer and Mark Cuban to dismiss.
  • “You can’t really question the journalism anymore since it won this prestigious award.” – Dan (05:05)

Key Insight:
The Pulitzer protects the journalism from easy dismissal by the NBA or skeptical fans. It increases pressure for institutional accountability regarding the story’s subject—alleged rule circumvention in the NBA.

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Section 2: Impact on Sports Journalism and the NBA Investigation

What Does the Pulitzer Mean for the NBA?

• Dan raises tangible consequences for league officials:
  • “I'm curious if you think ... With a journalism award being bestowed upon this story, what does this mean for the NBA? What does this mean for Kawhi? ... You can't really question the journalism anymore.” – Dan (04:47)
• Greg Cody: The award gives the story “legs;” now it will live on and force the NBA and Adam Silver to respond.
  • “If you're Adam Silver, you can no longer afford to do nothing and hope it goes away ... the Pulitzer Prize ... gives it legs. It's a story now that's gonna live through the Pulitzer Prize.” – Greg (05:51)
• Roy expresses concern that only high-profile journalism prompts meaningful investigations:
  • “Were it not for Pablo Torre or someone else taking on this investigation, it just doesn’t happen. ... It really is kind of disconcerting ... that audience sometimes determines whether or not there's an investigation.” – Roy (06:48)
• Amin: Fan apathy and owner popularity protect institutional interests:
  • ”If this were the Knicks and it was Jim Dolan, everyone would be doing the people's elbow ... But because Steve Ballmer ... seems like a really good dude ... that creates this tension ... but he needs to be held accountable.” (07:53)

Notable Quote:
"They can't play around with this. And this award to bring it all back is an incredible legacy builder for sure. But it's a stamp of approval from the greatest authority." – Amin (11:14)

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Section 3: The Miami Sports Scene – Stadium Development & F1’s Economic Power

Stadium Transformations & Event Hosting

• Discussion about how Stephen Ross’s investments have transformed Hard Rock Stadium into an international venue.
  • "He made one of the premier sporting venues on the planet. It needs to be talked about the way Wembley is talked about, because you don’t have a venue that can host WrestleMania, ... Super Bowl, Formula One, Grand Prix, World class tennis." – Dan (23:16)
• Miami’s F1 Grand Prix is described as more lucrative than all Miami Dolphins home games combined.
  • "Steven Ross makes more money from one F1 Miami Grand Prix race than he does from every Dolphin home game combined." – Greg (12:45)
• Dan details the luxury and exclusivity of the F1 Paddock Club at Hard Rock Stadium.
  • “My main takeaway is this is like four levels and each level has a dozen or so suites ... And to my knowledge, it only gets used for Formula One’s Miami Grand Prix.” – Dan (18:59)

Insight on F1 Economics

• F1 attracts a wealthy, global audience; its business model is fundamentally different from typical American sports leagues.
  • "So your, your audience isn’t just the locals, it’s also people who ... travel to all of these. ... They're very affluent. That's just how [the sport is]." – Amin (20:49)
  • "So it’s a super bougie motorsport with high end, high end sponsorships and partnerships. Right." – Dan (20:20)

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Section 4: Inter Miami, Messi, and Media Accessibility

Inter Miami’s Struggles on and off the Field

• Discussion about Inter Miami’s poor record in their new stadium and the organization’s limited media availability, especially from Messi.
  • "Messi hasn't spoken to the local media in a little bit more than two and a half years." – Greg (28:34)
• Organization’s “bush league” approach:
  • "This isn't, you know, one of the stars of the team. ... Noah Allen ... is an academy player ... and he's put in a really difficult spot after the game.” – Mike (26:20)
  • "I feel like Inter Miami continues to give me reasons why I don’t really love supporting this team." – Mike (28:03)

The Messi Exception

• The club’s deal with Messi allows him to forgo public-facing responsibilities, a trade-off most fans accept due to his star power.
  • “Everybody knows Messi runs the program. He’s bigger than the club. ... He hasn’t spoken to the local South Florida media in going on three years. And he gets everything he wants. And no fans are complaining because they have Lionel Messi and he’s still great.” – Greg (28:33)
  • “Part of the deal is like, yeah, you can come here and no one’s going to bother you.” – Amin (33:32)
• Dan and Amin debate whether Messi would help the brand further if more accessible, but both acknowledge results are what matter most.

Memorable Banter:

• Mike: "So am I off base and feeling like they're kind of lame?" – (33:30)

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Section 5: Miami Marlins, NHL Lottery, and Kentucky Derby Quick Hits

Marlins News

• Chris Paddock, a $4 million pitcher, has been designated for assignment; modest excitement as the Marlins hover near .500.
  • "It's a big deal. Let's all celebrate the Marlins for almost being a .500 team." – Greg (37:30)

NHL Draft Lottery and Conspiracy Talk

• Banter about the Florida Panthers’ chances in the NHL draft lottery (6% for #1).
• Joking suspicions about rigged lotteries for marquee teams (New York, Toronto).
  • "Learned at the knee of David Stern and the chilled envelope that yielded Patrick Ewing way back when." – Roy (42:19)
  • "I do buy that, actually ... that the NBA liked the idea of Patrick Ewing landing in MSG." – Roy (42:34)

Kentucky Derby Recap

• The crew congratulates owner Vinnie Viola and notes the first female trainer to win the Derby.
  • "This horse, Golden Tempo, navigated from last place to first through 18 other horses, and it was fantastic. ... It was one of the most memorable derbies ever." – Greg (40:18)

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Notable Quotes & Timestamps

• Amin Elhassan: “Now I’m in the same list as, like, early Ernest Hemingway and Harper Lee.” (04:32)
• Dan Le Batard: “You can’t really question the journalism anymore since it won this prestigious award.” (05:05)
• Greg Cody: “The Pulitzer Prize ... gives it legs. It's a story now that's gonna live through the Pulitzer Prize.” (05:51)
• Roy: “It really is kind of disconcerting ... that audience sometimes determines whether or not there’s an investigation.” (06:48)
• Amin: “They can’t play around with this. And this award to bring it all back is a stamp of approval from the greatest authority.” (11:14)
• Dan: "He made one of the premier sporting venues on the planet. It needs to be talked about the way Wembley is talked about." (23:16)
• Greg: "Messi hasn't spoken to the local media in a little bit more than two and a half years." (28:34)
• Mike: "So am I off base and feeling like they're kind of lame?" (33:30)
• Roy (about the NBA draft): "Learned at the knee of David Stern and the chilled envelope that yielded Patrick Ewing way back when." (42:19)

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Conclusion

This episode blends celebration with critical analysis, using the Pulitzer win as a springboard to examine sports journalism’s power and limitations, the shifting economics of Miami sports, and the evolving relationship between athletes, organizations, and fans. The crew, as always, mixes sharp insight with humor, poking fun at local teams and delighting in the oddities of Miami’s sports scene.

For those who missed the episode:
Expect hearty laughter, real media debate, and a behind-the-scenes look at what a Pulitzer means for podcasts and sports truth-telling.

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[Mike]

Greg, have you seen this week's episode of Euphoria yet?

[Greg]

No, I do not watch that episode. That show.

[Mike]

I haven't seen it yet either. Yeah, we got big news today. Very big news. Who would have seen it coming? That's right. A Pulitzer. A Pulitzer prize.

[Dan Le Batard]

Pew.

[Mike]

A Pulitzer Prize for Pablo Torre finds out. That's right, everybody, give it up for Pablo. Don't be shy. Come on now.

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The entire staff, that guy behind me,

[Dan Le Batard]

team of producers and Dan Lebatard, who made a big bet on Pablo Torre finds out. And it was great to see the

[Jeremy]

George Soros of sports journalism.

[Mike]

So, I mean, I mean, can you tell us how all of this, like, how did it go down as far as your crew there at Pablo Torre finds out, finding out that, that you. You guys have won? This is an incredibly prestigious award.

[Amin Elhassan]

Yeah. So it's, it's weird. I got a call from Pablo. He said, hold on, let me get Sampson on the line. And so immediately I'm thinking you're about to be sued. Well, at the. When I see a call coming in from Pablo, I'm like, all right, here we go. Like, I was supposed to do an appearance, like now they canceled it or something like that. All right, whatever. Then he said, hold on, let me Get Samson on the line. I'm like, maybe we are gonna do another episode. And this is the setup of guys we wanna see, you know, whatever. It's out of the ordinary for this to happen, but, you know, whatever. So he says, well, so we just wanna Pulitzer. And I said, wow, we won the sports Pulitzer, huh? That's crazy. Kind of like a sports Emmy. That's awesome. And he's like, there's no sports Pulitzer. I was like, well, then what did we win? We won the Pulitzer. And so I said, okay, well. Well, then put this in context for me. He's like, okay, Last year's winner was about conflict in the Middle East. I'm like, oh. And then after I got off the phone, I looked.

[Dan Le Batard]

That's all taken care of.

[Amin Elhassan]

Yeah, I looked it up after I got off the phone and I looked up who the other nominees were. And one was a story about a fatal shooting with no prosecution and about stand your ground laws. One by the Wall Street Journals. The Wall Street Journal. And then the other one was by the New York Times about, like, transgender youth and medicine and the use of medicine in that and, like, policies around that. And I said, these are two massive stories that every American has a feeling or an opinion about, but neither of

[Mike]

them have to do with the salary cap.

[Amin Elhassan]

As I said, basketball fans didn't care about our story. Like, it's just insane. And so there's a level of. I'm not.

[Mike]

You're very taken aback.

[Amin Elhassan]

I am taken aback because I know there are people who work very hard their entire lives to win something like this. And I just hung out with Sampson and Pablo and just explained some salary cap stuff and made some jokes along the way. I wore a clipper jersey one of those times. And now I'm in the same list as, like, early Ernest Hemingway and Harper Lee.

[Mike]

You are. And again, let's give it up for Amin and the crew there. How about that?

[Dan Le Batard]

I do have some actual, like, outside of celebrating, which is a monumental achievement for all those involved, including Metal Arc Media. Hooray for us. There is still the pressing issue of this actually still being a sports story with an investigation pending. And I'm curious if you think that the developments yesterday with a journalism award being bestowed upon this story. What does this mean for the NBA? What does this mean for Kawhi? What does it mean for C. Ballmer? What does it mean for Mark Cuban, who had a million. Well, actuallys along the way? You can't really question the journalism anymore since it won this prestigious award.

[Mike]

So we are going to talk to Pablo today. All right. Pablo is going to check in with us. And obviously that, that right there is like at the forefront of my questions. You know, one of the things that I thought originally when I heard this yesterday was, okay, all those people, guys like Steve Ballmer who were saying that's it's just rumors and innuendo coming from some podcast. All right, well, you can't really say like that anymore.

[Greg]

If you're Adam Silver, you can no longer afford to do nothing and hope it goes away if because this the Pulitzer Prize and its Pulitzer, not Pulitzer, but, you know, I don't want to digress.

[Mike]

Who are you talking to?

[Greg]

The prize gives it legs. It's a story now that's gonna live through the Pulitzer Prize.

[Roy]

Right.

[Dan Le Batard]

I'm wondering, cuz I always just assumed because of some of the episodes Mina and I were talking, like one of the episodes you found out that the investigators hadn't even asked questions about Steve Ballmer and you just kind of thought that it would go the way that society's going recently, which is, hey, no one cares about your journalism stuff. So is the NBA investigation going to yield fewer results than Pablo Torre? And we're just supposed to believe the NBA, the NBA is gonna say like, there was nothing here but the most prestigious award in journalism, decided to give one to Pablo Torre finds out for the very same research.

[Roy]

I think that you touch on something, Mike, that is vaguely, to me, disconcerting about all this. Were it not for Pablo Torre or someone else taking on this investigation, it just, it doesn't happen. We don't learn the truth. This is a weird direction legitimately. I know this is an old conversation, a decade old at this point, about questioning the veracity of shared fact, but it really is kind of disconcerting, right, that we just back off of what is, what is going to get. Audience determines sometimes whether or not there's an investigation of it. NBA fans don't want to hear this kind of stuff.

[Amin Elhassan]

Yeah, it's weird because there, there is a subset of fans who are like, why are you making problems? And I'm not even a clipper. Fans, right? People, especially in this era where I

[Mike]

don't understand that no one likes to

[Amin Elhassan]

snitch that like it's. Yeah, they're trying, they're trying to apply that kind of logic to like, why are you snitching? And I'm like, do you understand how the world works? Or whatever. Or you have other people who are like, oh, if Kwai figured out a way to make more money. Why are you hating on it?

[Mike]

That's not what it's about.

[Amin Elhassan]

Right? Pocket watching is another one that's levied out there. But the reality is this sport is being played under a certain set of rules. And if you subvert those rules in order to get ahead, even if it didn't work, the intention was to get ahead. Right? It didn't work. Clippers didn't win a championship, but they got a player by basically promising him, we'll get you many more millions of dollars than what is legally allowed to be paid to you from any source. Right? So you start with that, but then the owner is involved in this. And this is. From the very beginning, I understood what the conflict was, which is, if this were the Knicks and it was Jim Dolan, everyone would be doing the people's elbow. Like, we'd all, like, gang up.

[Mike]

Because people don't like him.

[Amin Elhassan]

Because people don't like him, right? And he does a lot of unlikable things. Check out the Pablo Torre finds out episode about surveillance and facial recognition technology that the Knicks are doing, right? But because Steve Ballmer not only is a publicly very well liked and affable guy, but behind the scenes, the other owners like him, the players like him. He seems like a really good dude who just wants what's best for the sport. That creates this tension that makes everyone say, well, hold on, like, we don't want to throw Steve in the trash, and we don't, but he needs to be held accountable.

[Dan Le Batard]

I'd want Steve Ballmer to be my team's owner. Absolutely. He funds his own arenas and he really cares about quality, about the experience. Yes. He doesn't really care about making money. It seems as though with this venture, he just wants to put a winner out there. That's always what the perception is. And I mean, even still, like, if I were a Clipper fan, while I'd be bummed about this and worried what it means for Kawhi and certainly what it might mean for my team, draft picks and whatnot. At the end of the day, I'm like, Steve Ballmer. His great sin was trying to improve my team. Now he circumvented some serious rules in a league that legislates this cap number. But it's kind of like the Steven Ross thing. I'm like, down here, people think that Steven Ross is a bad owner. And I'm pointing to all the things like. But the big thing that he stepped in was he was trying to get Tom Brady. Everybody wants Tom Brady.

[Amin Elhassan]

And I think the other part of this, and this is where the flip side of that discussion is, which is for the investigation by Wachtel Lipton, they are the premier law firm, right? Look, the NBA, anytime there's any sort of serious investigation, will get Wachta Lipton in here, Right? Their reputations are on the line now because for you to say, hey, we're this very serious, very prestigious firm that does a lot of cases, not just the NBA and like, obviously this is great publicity for them. Hey, we investigated the Donald Sterling case, we investigated Robert Sarver and all these things for it to come out that they didn't ask a single question, like, I don't care if Steve Ballmer gets off scot free. But to say that they didn't even ask the question, the name never came up in your investigations, in your interviews, that sounds like something that is like a behavior that's not totally forthright. And so for that to happen, it's like, yo, if you do this, we have the facts, we have the stories, we have the information. We're not waiting on your report. Pablo Torre finds out, has found out. And so they can't play around with this. And this award to bring it all back is a incredible legacy builder for sure. But it's a stamp of approval from the greatest authority. A month ago I was like, I hope we win a sports Emmy. And now I'm like, to hell with it, man. Let it let Ernie Johnson inside the NBA win a 7 millionth one. They don't have one of these.

[Mike]

Yeah. So Pablo is going to join us and I think we all have a lot to talk with him about. Yeah, they won the Pulitzer and the audio award for that episode. Audio reporting, Pulitzer Prize winning. Did you see this, Greg? You know, F1 was here over the weekend. Really is amazing. When you look back at pictures of what that stadium looked like. I don't know, not Even that long, 20 years ago, you look what that stadium looked like and now everything going on. Like, remember one year Wayne Huizenga put like, he at least claimed that he put like $400 million into the saves. Like, what? What did you do? Where did this money go? Right.

[Greg]

Nice scoreboard.

[Mike]

And you see what Steven Ross has now done with it. But F1 was here over the weekend. Steven Ross made this comment to the South Florida Business Journal, quote, miami is not really in line when they're talking about the Super Bowl. Miami is not really in line. It's always exciting to have the super bowl, but that was before we had all these Other events. Miami is by far the best weather. It's in their best interest to have one here. But at this point, they don't believe they being the NFL, we meet all the requirements and the demands. What is that?

[Greg]

Well, I'm not surprised when you drive by the stadium now, you say to yourself, where's all the. Where has all the parking gone? You know, because right now there's so much development there. But Steven Ross is not going to lose a dime. He's got a gold mine in. In the F1 race. He, Steven Ross makes more money from one F1 Miami Grand Prix race than he does from every Dolphin home game combined.

[Mike]

I believe that.

[Roy]

I don't understand that. I mean, I'm an idiot.

[Mike]

It's such a bougie event. I believe that.

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[Mike]

Yeah.

[Dan Le Batard]

This is the Dan Levatar show with the Stugats. I hear the argument and I think they just assume. I keep thinking that there's an angle here because Roger Goodell does this a lot. He already did.

[Mike]

Like Cleveland. They did it here once already.

[Dan Le Batard]

Cleveland got his it's new stadium and Roger's like, but they don't have the facilities around it. And I keep thinking there's some weird real estate play here because the excuse is they don't have the parking bull. Like you're saying that as if I haven't been to other venues that have hosted Super Bowls. I've gone to New Orleans.

[Mike]

Well, and how.

[Dan Le Batard]

Where's the parking in New Orleans?

[Mike]

How are parking for Dolphin games like Sofi Stadium too?

[Roy]

In. In Los Angeles?

[Greg]

Said Pittsburgh, but yes, la.

[Dan Le Batard]

Am I to believe that the permanent structures they built for F1 Hospitality are getting in the way of the temporary tents they wanna put up for hospitality and these things cannot be repurposed? It's insane to me. I don't get it. I keep thinking there has to be something here, man. If I got some of the parcels of real estate around here and can develop some hotels outside of El Palacio, maybe we can bring the super bowl back here. It's bonkers.

[Mike]

Also though, this quote from Stephen Ross, he kind of makes it sound like he doesn't care. Like maybe he doesn't, maybe he doesn't because the, you know, look, there's a city, there's a group that in every city that's in charge of, there's a committee, you know, in charge of putting everything together. But the home team, in this case the Dolphins, they play a major role in putting things together for Super Bowl. Maybe, maybe doesn't care because they have so much going on at the stadium that this is not a big thing for him anymore. Like this quote from Steven Ross. It doesn't seem like he really is bothered by it.

[Greg]

Greg.

[Dan Le Batard]

One of the things that they usually tout is this F1 Miami Grand Prix that one singular event makes generates more revenue than the entire season of season tickets for the Miami Dolphins.

[Amin Elhassan]

Jason Jackson told me that and I said, you must be mistaken.

[Dan Le Batard]

So I went to F1 over this weekend. I got invited and it was the first time that I actually got to be in that now permanent structure, the Paddock Club.

[Mike]

It was your first time there at the Paddock Club?

[Dan Le Batard]

I've been to plenty of other times and I've been to bougie areas, but not like finish line Paddock Club. And my main takeaway is this is like four levels and each level has a dozen or so suites. They're all big time corporate sponsors.

[Mike]

And that's permanent.

[Dan Le Batard]

It's a permanent structure, poured concrete. This is not a temporary venue. They're there like the, the garages are there year round. This structure is there. And to my knowledge, it only gets used to for formula One's Miami Grand Prix. There are other venues outside that are also permanent that I've seen during Miami Hurricanes games and Dolphins games get repurposed. We house some recruits at one by the fan zone. You've probably seen that structure. But the, the Main Paddock Club, that's only used once a year and it generates crazy money. I put it sponsors.

[Roy]

But explain that as somebody who is an ignoramus, as I am, there's only one of these a year in Miami.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yes, it's in. Well, it's a weekend. It's a weekend's worth of revenue that they're generating.

[Mike]

Why just happened.

[Roy]

What is the travel around a different. It's like golf tournaments. I loosely get it. But I mean what is. So why. What. What is the reason behind there being such, you know, so much loot compared to what the NFL is.

[Dan Le Batard]

So it's a super bougie motorsport with high end, high end sponsorships and partnerships. Right.

[Amin Elhassan]

So you start with the general concept. Right. If you think about the NFL, you say there's only eight home games. Yeah. But there are 32 teams. So each one of those teams has eight home games. You do the math. It's a lot of NFL games across the nation that are being played. And then you have the playoffs and the super bowl. Obviously with F1, there's like 24. How many like 24 races globally?

[Dan Le Batard]

It goes to November.

[Amin Elhassan]

So your, your audience isn't just the locals, it's also people who. There are people who travel to all of these. That's number one. Number two.

[Mike]

Really? Yeah.

[Amin Elhassan]

There are people who travel to all these races.

[Greg]

Global sport.

[Amin Elhassan]

Number two, they're very affluent. Right. That these people who follow the sport. It's not a.

[Mike]

Why is that?

[Amin Elhassan]

That's just how.

[Dan Le Batard]

I mean it caters to that Ferrari. Yeah, it caters you to buy a Ferrari tomorrow. Like, no, you're not Rolex presenting sponsor. I went from Talladega one weekend infield to watching people chug out of prosthetic limbs to the Paddock Club at Formula one. You park a golf cart is there to take you to your seat. You get handed a Champagne flute.

[Mike]

Does F1 look down at NASCAR?

[Dan Le Batard]

Yes, obviously.

[Mike]

Of course.

[Dan Le Batard]

I mean, but everyone looks down on

[Amin Elhassan]

you never watched Talladega Nights. Remember Sacha Baron Cohen's character? Like, yes, Ricky Bobby, you are very.

[Dan Le Batard]

It's a. People go there to feel better about themselves. They, they go there to hobnob.

[Mike]

I feel like I'd feel worse about myself.

[Dan Le Batard]

The Paddock Club is, is ridiculous. Like I was There you don't actually have. You actually don't have seats. And in the Paddock Club, you have like a dining room table. There's like this little ballroom in the Paddock Club. You get a. Your own dedicated server and you have TVs everywhere. And if you want to go out and watch the action right there by the start and finish line, you. You go out to a balcony and you basically carve out your plot of land. And then you look to your right and Joe Burrow is there. It's kind of like that.

[Greg]

It's perfect for Miami and people flying in from Brazil and Germany, they don't care that the ticket costs $4,000 or more. They don't care. I mean, this is for the rich. And Steve Ross is getting richer because of it. And that's one reason why I think it's absolutely fair and safe to say that he needs the Super Bowl a lot less. Sounds like specifically because of F1.

[Mike]

Sounds like it. This is his legacy here. Like what he has built on this stadium. Like the, the attraction that the stadium now is. Yes, that's his legacy here.

[Dan Le Batard]

I agree. And look, let's, Let's. I assume that there was some kind of real estate grift here. Let's take that out of the equation then. Clearly we have to believe Stephen Ross in that. He made the decision he's going to generate more money from doing what he did to the stadium and bringing in events like Formula one and tennis than he would make from other things that the calendar would disrupt.

[Mike]

Another issue, man, World cup, national championship matches. He.

[Dan Le Batard]

They're in line for another national championship game. Weird. Like the facilities and everything around is good enough for a national championship game. But not in the World super bowl and the World cup, but not in the tier for the Super Bowl. Fine. For, you know, Formula One, which brings in, I think, over 100,000 more people than the super bowl. But not up to the quality of the super bowl, but clearly it was a good bet. And I do think, and I mention this every time like a broken record when it comes to Steven Ross's legacy down here. I think he made one of the premier sporting venues on the planet. It needs to be talked about the way Wembley is talked about, because you don't have a venue that can host WrestleMania, that can host Beyonce, that can host a Super Bowl, Formula One, Grand Prix, World class tennis. Tennis, which is up to the level of like a fifth major, 10th to tennis to bit my tongue. You just don't have other venues that can do that.

[Jeremy]

It was Farid.

[Mike]

It was not that long ago that it was a constant conversation down here. University of Miami got to get out of that stadium, got to get your own stadium, got to move away from there. It's terrible. And now like there really isn't much to complain about when it comes to University of Miami home games. Like it's, it's a great stadium.

[Greg]

The facility is, is bar none one of the, the top in, in the whole country. But that makes his lack of success as a Dolphins owner magnify itself. Because when you look around, everything else he's done is the Midas touch. I mean the facility development he's done is second to none. But the Dolphins haven't won a playoff game, as we all know, in a quarter of a century. And that's, that is glaring, more glaring because of the surrounding opulence of the facility he's built.

[Mike]

So I want to get your thoughts here as well, Greg, on what's going on with Inter Miami. So Inter Miami has played now four games at new stadium. New stadium's the new stadium. And they, they're winless. They have three draws and they have an historic collapse this past weekend where they led three nothing at halftime. Messi had a goal and, and they allowed Orlando City, who's been bad to start this season biggest rival as well to score four second half goals. And Inter Miami suffers their first loss in the stadium before they even have a win in four games. Now after the game you would figure, all right, like can we get somebody to, to, to face the music here, answer some difficult questions. But that's not Inter Miami style, man. Like Inter Miami doesn't send out the big guns, the big star players, they don't go out there and I mean when is Messi ever spoken to the media? And so what Listen or watch this clip here. This is Noah Allen, who Mike is, he's an academy player. Like he's, he's right.

[Dan Le Batard]

He looks super young. He's played because he is super young. But he's played several seasons for Miami.

[Mike]

All right, so this is an academy player, all right. This isn't, you know, one of the stars of the team.

[Dan Le Batard]

He's a, he's an academy graduate. He's been a first teamer for.

[Mike]

But I mean a guy, a veteran of soccer, you know, a guy who you put out in front of the camera and answer some difficult questions and here's no Allen in a really difficult spot after the game. No. Is it hard you always being the one that has to face us and Being one of the youngest guys after a loss, first loss at home against Hernando City. Is it tough to be that face when there's other players who are older and with Morocco?

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah, I guess.

[Greg]

I'm not gonna lie. Yeah.

[Mike]

I mean, yeah, it kind of sounds like he's a little bit tired, but

[Dan Le Batard]

in that clip, you can see why they put him out there. I mean, just many words.

[Greg]

Yes.

[Mike]

Like. Like, that's, that's. And by the way, I saw the interim coach. He apparently answered one question. It was in Spanish. I don't know the question was my Spanish. No, no, bueno. He came out, he answered one question and then got up and left. None of the big players talk. That's who they send out after the game. And for me, it's like now, I don't know if, you know, I'm an inaugural season ticket holder with Inter Miami now. I gave up the tickets before last season. It just got way too expensive. Way too.

[Amin Elhassan]

You don't get to tout that if you gave it up.

[Mike]

I just did.

[Amin Elhassan]

You can't tout it.

[Mike]

Just did.

[Greg]

You're not alone.

[Mike]

Just did.

[Greg]

Many have.

[Dan Le Batard]

It's. Contextually, it's an important data point because a lot of people got priced out. I got priced out.

[Greg]

Yeah.

[Mike]

And I kept them even an additional year and paid the prices that were jacked up because I figured, okay, I'm going to make my money back because I'm going to sell the tickets, you know, when I need to. And. And it didn't sell the way that I thought it would. It's like, I got to get out. But this is like they. I feel like Inter Miami continues to give me reasons why I don't really love supporting this team.

[Greg]

Right.

[Mike]

Like, they just so much of what they do seems bush league. It seems like a shady organization. I don't really love what they stand for.

[Greg]

Well. Well, I don't think it's a shady organization, but I do think that they

[Mike]

skirt the salary cap, signing the players.

[Dan Le Batard]

You like that, though?

[Mike]

Well, I do like that, but it's so shady.

[Greg]

Okay. Messi. Everybody knows Messi runs the program. He's bigger than the club. He's bigger than David Beckham. He's bigger than Jorge Mas. He runs the team. That's why they made a coaching change prematurely, I thought.

[Mike]

Another.

[Greg]

Another. And so Messi hasn't spoken to the local media in a little bit more than two and a half years.

[Mike]

That's crazy.

[Greg]

Not a word to the local South Florida media in going on three years now. And he gets everything he wants. And no fans are complaining because they have Lionel Messi and he's still great.

[Mike]

And by the way, part of the reaction to players never being available. And I remember when I was doing local radio here on 790 a ticket, the first year, first couple years of Inter Miami's existence, they should have been on their hands and knees coming to me, begging me to have players on my show. I had to beg them. I couldn't even get a response. Their PR team is garbage, okay? Garbage. And now finally, I guess because there's been a little bit of an outcry with what happened this past weekend. For the first time this year, Luis Suarez is going to talk to the media.

[Dan Le Batard]

They've been getting it pretty good. I don't think that they made the manager change too. It seemed as though there was quite a bit of clashing there. We'll see if they make a permanent hire here. But this is one of the reasons why Messi came to the United States and chose Inter Miami because he didn't have to do this. And I think you kind of have to be okay with that trade off if you're an Inter Miami supporter. I'd rather win MLS Cups than watch Messi, who talks a lot like Noah Allen when he's in front of the microphones. He's not this incredible personality. I've seen plenty of Leo post match interviews when he was at Barcelona. Barcelona, you're not missing much. Hey, Roy, buddy.

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[Dan Le Batard]

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[Dan Le Batard]

Don LeBatard, you're getting started on the breakfast flan.

[Amin Elhassan]

Oh, man, I've been singing a song to myself all morning long. Breakfast flan. Have you never heard the breakfast Flan song?

[Dan Le Batard]

Hit me with it.

[Amin Elhassan]

Okay? I wish I had some breakfast flan. Breakfast flan. Where can I find a breakfast like that?

[Dan Le Batard]

This is the Dan Levatar show with the Stoogats.

[Amin Elhassan]

He's not the sharpest knife in the drive. Like, no one wants to say that out loud, but it's like he's very, like, yes, I. I'm very good at the thing I do. I'm not very good at explaining it or talking or being like, it's not Victor Webanyama basically out there with, I don't know.

[Mike]

Wouldn't you like to feel like he's part of the community a little bit? Like if LeBron, like if LeBron went and played in Europe, can you imagine LeBron never talking to them?

[Roy]

He's part of the community.

[Dan Le Batard]

He was at F1. He was at F1. And like, he goes to restaurants and like, he was seen shopping Publix at one time. I mean, an empty Publix Yeah, I don't think he's more. Made more a member of the community by giving a boring postmatch interview.

[Mike]

So am I off base and feeling like they're kind of lame?

[Amin Elhassan]

You're not on base because that part where you tried out a kid to answer for a historic collapse and loss that your rival, that, That's. That's kind of cowardly. But the overall in general, lack of accessibility. Yeah, man. Like, this is. He, like Mike said he came here because where he was and had he gone to Saudi Arabia and got his ass kicked over there by better players, he would not be able to leave the house and like, just have a normal life. Part of the deal is like, yeah, you can come here and no one's gonna bother you.

[Dan Le Batard]

All right? Getting his ass kicked by better players. I. I don't. It's not working out for Ronaldo the way that he thought. And, and Messi's been pretty good here on, on the pitch for Inter Miami.

[Amin Elhassan]

I. I send Mike Instagram reels all the time. It's like this anti Messi kind of just stuff.

[Dan Le Batard]

And it's like, it's like a Brazilian

[Amin Elhassan]

supporter has nothing to do. Nothing to do with like Messi, but it's like there was a story about Maradona. It's a very famous Maradona thing of him coming out, warming up and like doing all these tricks. And it was the story behind the game that they were playing. And it was like a massive game. It was like a Champions League game. And he did it because the DJ was playing a song that he really liked. And it's like it becomes this lore. And then he went out and. And in the real, they talk about like, Maradona won the first Champions League for the small club Napoli, which is in South Italy. All of the, like, the success of Italian soccer came from Northern Italy, Milan and Rome and, and places like that and Fiorentina, whatever. And so it was. He took. Basically imagine him taking like the Sioux Fall Skyforce and winning like the NBA Championship and all these things, right? And I send the video to Mike

[Dan Le Batard]

and I said, Messi could never just hating ass hater. I think you have to. If you're an Inter Miami supporter, once the results aren't there, then I think you can latch onto things like, wait, you're pulling credentials of this press member. That's too critical. Wait, we're not putting the star players out in front of microphones to not be accountable. They've had the results. And this approach, it's cocky A lot of the people that came over that are making the decisions to not have these players go out and speak and not put players on 790the Ticket. They come from bigger clubs in Europe and they kind of look down on the whole concept of mls. This ownership group has been super aggressive, has raised a lot of hackles in owner's meetings. The old guard in MLS does not like how aggressive the Moss family is about pushing. The time is now. Let's invest in this sport. Let's stop worrying about being fiscally responsible. We're hosting a World Cup. Let's go for it. I like that ambition. And Miami has Leo Messi and it's number 10 in a brand new stadium as a testament to that ambition. I think you got to take the good with the bad.

[Greg]

I also think it's premature to write off this season. They have, I think, four or five matches left before the World cup break. Last time I looked at the standings, they're third in the East. Well, in the playoff race, I don't think they have the club to repeat a championship this year, but they'll certainly make a run at it. I mean, they're. Despite the three draws and a loss in the new stadium, they're still a pretty damn good team.

[Jeremy]

The Miami Marlins have designated Chris Paddock for assignment, letting go of their $4 million pitcher, one of their bigger free agent signings this offseason. I mean, Braxton struggled off the bat. It'll mean either Braxton Garrett or star prospect Robbie Snelling, both of whom have been shoving at the Triple A level, will be their only left handed.

[Mike]

Shoving?

[Roy]

Yeah.

[Mike]

You're trying to make that a thing. Shoving.

[Jeremy]

Shoving is a thing. You guys don't know ball.

[Mike]

It is a thing.

[Roy]

Yeah. Yeah. He's not going to win any Pulitzer. Back in my day.

[Jeremy]

He's not dealing.

[Roy]

I think it's interesting as an outsider that I didn't hear a lot of this talk a year ago because Messi and his team was winning games and now you guys are about Chris Paddock, you mean, or. No, back to. Back to the soccer conversation.

[Jeremy]

Why?

[Roy]

Yeah, back to.

[Dan Le Batard]

We found the one thing less interesting than mls. Soccer is unbelievable. Dave.

[Jeremy]

It's a big deal.

[Roy]

The.

[Jeremy]

It's a $4 million player.

[Greg]

It's a big deal. Let's all celebrate the Marlins for almost being a.500 team.

[Roy]

Yeah, they're. What are they, three and a half out of the wild card?

[Mike]

Three under.

[Jeremy]

They're right there, man.

[Mike]

Let's not talk about wild card. First week of May you know what,

[Roy]

As a, as a long suffering Pittsburgh Pirates fan, I don't think it's too soon to start looking at the standings because they're halfway decent. Which leads me to my point, which is the coolest of all takes. But obviously if you're winning, it makes everything all right. You try to connect this to Messi, it's because they're not playing well, right? Everybody was willing to rationalize their way in New England around everything, around Tom Brady and Bill Belichick and Aaron Hernandez and everything else, so long as they kept winning games. And then you look at the NHL and the Toronto Maple Leafs. The dissatisfaction with their brand new hire at the executive level has to do with the fact that the guy who they hired isn't a winner. They would be happy up in Toronto to have hired somebody who had a checkered personal past or professional past, so long as it also included a Stanley cup or three.

[Mike]

I mean, I guess I would say in my defense there I was pretty loud last year in the middle of last season about inter Miami's antics and what they're about and they went on to win the MLS Cup. So again I just, I've been turned off.

[Dan Le Batard]

I think you got a NASCAR approach to a Formula one sport. They're just going for a different type of clientele. They think that their brand is a premier luxury brand and every decision that they've made along the way kind of co signs that.

[Greg]

But wouldn't Messi being more out there, more open speaking, wouldn't that further help their brand?

[Dan Le Batard]

So I don't think so. Unless he wants to do a 10 minute hit with a big dog every week.

[Mike]

So I should mention today is kind of a big day for Florida Panther fans tonight. Were you aware of this, Greg Cody? It's the NHL draft lottery tonight.

[Greg]

Oh, I thought you meant Vinnie Viola celebrating Kentucky Derby winning horse.

[Mike]

That's right. He's an owner of that, of that horse that won.

[Greg]

Right? He's. He's a part owner but mostly the owner. Unlike myself who owns the tip of the right ear on a racehorse.

[Amin Elhassan]

I can't believe we haven't gone to Greg early on this because he is a horse owner. He's got the experience and the know how and the inside insights about horse racing.

[Mike]

Did you know Golden Tempo had a shot this weekend?

[Greg]

No, 23 to 1. It was such a bunched race. I, I can never remember this in a Triple Crown race before. At, at the bell there were two horses that were co favorites at 5 to 1. Depending on what odds you look at two horses were 6 to 1. One horse was 7 to 1, another was 9 to 1.

[Roy]

So no favorite, really 5 to 1 as the biggest favorite is odd.

[Greg]

It was incredible. And it's an 18 race field, which is very, very crowded. And that's with four. That's with four scratches.

[Dan Le Batard]

The Puma.

[Greg]

It was anybody's race. And this horse, Golden Tempo, navigated from last place to first through 18 other horses, and it was fantastic. It was the first. Sherry Devoe was the first female jockey to ever win the Kentucky Derby. The jockey?

[Roy]

Trainer.

[Greg]

Not jockey or trainer, rather. The jockey had been in 11 Kentucky derbies before without winnings. It was his first time his brother ran in the race against him. It was one of the most memorable derbies ever. And now let's hope that Golden Tempo at least runs in the Preakness so we can at least pretend a Cinderella Triple Crown is all right.

[Mike]

All right. So for the Panther fans, though, tonight, NHL draft lottery, kind of a big deal. All right, now, am I right where the Panthers can drop no lower than 10, which means they do keep their pick. All right. And they can obviously jump as high as. As number one.

[Dan Le Batard]

What are that.

[Roy]

What's their percentage chance of getting Gavin McKenna the prize pick of this dress?

[Mike]

I'm being told by my sources, 6%. 6% chance.

[Greg]

Ouch.

[Mike]

To jump up to number one.

[Dan Le Batard]

We usually do.

[Mike]

All right. So kind of a big thing. Get fired up, Roy. Come on. Gavin McKenna.

[Greg]

Yeah.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah.

[Boar's Head Advertiser]

I don't think they're gonna win.

[Mike]

I mean, why not? They've won it a couple times.

[Boar's Head Advertiser]

They. They have, but I don't think they're gonna end up.

[Dan Le Batard]

I mean, he's putting himself out there.

[Boar's Head Advertiser]

I mean, we got Toronto and we got the Rangers. That's what's probably going to happen here. I think the NHL is going to give it to one of those two teams.

[Mike]

Oh, you're alleging shenanigans. O. Yep.

[Boar's Head Advertiser]

Folded envelope.

[Roy]

Anyone want to park their car in that garage?

[Dan Le Batard]

Huh?

[Roy]

Anyone?

[Mike]

Wow. I did not expect Roy to take that lane today. Rigged. Just pointing the finger at Gary Bettman that the draft lottery is rigged for. For one of the. One of the original six. Either New York or Toronto. How about that?

[Roy]

Learned at the knee of David Stern and the chilled envelope that yielded Patrick Ewing way back when. Right?

[Mike]

You believe that, huh?

[Dan Le Batard]

No, I don't believe.

[Mike]

Because it was a. Because it was a folded corner.

[Amin Elhassan]

Well, investigation.

[Roy]

I do buy that, actually.

[Mike]

That.

[Roy]

That little episode. I do kind of buy that. That the NBA like the idea of Patrick Ewing landing in msg.

[Dan Le Batard]

I'll buy that one.

[Amin Elhassan]

Sure you don't think they would have rather had him in America's heartland as a Pacer?

[Mike]

Just say that shit's rigged.

[Roy]

Say it. It's rigged.

[Dan Le Batard]

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