Pablo Torre Reacts To His Historic Pulitzer Prize Win | Hour 2

Summary

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The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz

Episode: Pablo Torre Reacts To His Historic Pulitzer Prize Win | Hour 2

Date: May 5, 2026
Location: Elser Hotel, Downtown Miami

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Episode Overview

This episode is a joyful and reflective celebration of Pablo Torre's groundbreaking win of the Pulitzer Prize for Audio Reporting. The crew — Dan Le Batard, Stugotz, Greg Cote, Roy, Mike, Jeremy, and friends — welcome Pablo back to the show after his win, discuss the significance of the award, and explore what it means for sports journalism, podcasting, and Meadowlark Media. The group also detours into classic Le Batard territory, riffing on pop culture topics, the NBA, Mortal Kombat, New York Knicks fandom, comedic name-dropping, and a viral hockey executive hire.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Pablo Torre’s Pulitzer Win: Reactions, Reflections, and Meaning

• Emotional Impact on Pablo and His Family (00:56–04:56):

  • Pablo talks about the surreal experience, sharing how family, especially his mom (who hoped he’d go to medical school), became part of his biggest professional moment.

    • Quote:
      “My mom, until I think this phone call, was still asking if I was going to go to medical school.” (Pablo Torre, 03:11)

  • Getting to celebrate in the New York Times newsroom, juxtaposed with other Pulitzer winners covering Gaza and Washington:

    • Quote:
      “As they celebrated photography in Gaza and investigations in the Trump administration, and us doing a Doc Rivers impression about a salary cap themed episode is something that I don’t think even the boldest Meadowlark Media founder would have ever dreamed of.”
      (Dan Le Batard, 01:32)

  • Pablo recounts using the jokey “Galactic Senate” line during his Times speech, delighting in blending humor and significance.

• The Journey and Surprise of Winning (05:04–08:43):

  • Pablo describes the shock of receiving a cryptic Sunday morning call from the Athletic/New York Times:

    • Quote:
      “When you get a call like that out of nowhere... you think something bad has happened... I thought I was gonna have to litigate or worse.” (Pablo Torre, 05:05)

  • On whether he ever dreamed of winning:

    • “They never give this stuff to sports reporting... It was not in the format they typically honor.”
      (Pablo Torre, 07:29)

  • Physicality of the Prize: The crew jokes about what the Pulitzer trophy looks like, debating whether it could be melted down into a karate trophy.

    • "I think it’s like a giant metal... I would like a karate trophy."
      (Pablo Torre, 07:29)

2. Sports Journalism with a “Stupid But Smart” Twist

• How to Make Journalism Stick (16:35–18:02):

  • Pablo and Dan reflect on Meadowlark’s unique, punk-rock approach: take the work seriously but themselves less so; use comedy and sports as a “Trojan horse” for tough topics.

    • “Sports really is the cheese you melt on the broccoli... of whatever non sports substance you want to discuss.”
      (Dan Le Batard, 16:35)

  • Journalism’s challenge: Getting the disengaged to care:

    • “If you actually have fun doing journalism and think that it’s also meaningful... there are actually millions... who might actually agree with you.”
      (Dan Le Batard, 16:35)

• Defeating "Fake News" with Persuasion and Fun (19:23–21:28):

  • Dan and Pablo discuss “fake news,” the power the rich wield with such dismissals, and how the only long-term strategy is to make the audience want to consume journalism.
    • “No one’s gonna make airplane noises and spoon feed truth into your mouth. They need to want to actually eat it.”
      (Dan Le Batard, 19:23)

3. NBA, Clippers, and the Pulitzer Aftershocks (08:55–11:56)

• Pablo dives into the NBA’s response to their reporting, especially Steve Ballmer calling the podcast “gossip” in victim statements. They break down ongoing court filings, mention ex-DOJ prosecutors, and speculate on lingering federal investigations that could further shake up the NBA.
  • “The NBA is very concerned about what the government, this administration in particular... might be interested in.”
    (Dan Le Batard, 08:59)
  • “This thing is probably very helpful in establishing that it’s not quite gossip.”
    (Dan Le Batard, 06:02)

4. Mortal Kombat Sequel & Knicks Fandom Debate (21:28–26:34)

• The team has a classic, freewheeling debate about the upcoming Mortal Kombat film: which characters matter, who’s getting “killed off,” and the lore for superfans.

  • “Do we think there will be a babality?” (Dan Le Batard, 22:08)

• In parallel, the question of “ultimate Knicks fan” status between Ben Stiller and Timothée Chalamet erupts.

  • “You can’t... Chalamet has already leapfrogged Spike.” (Dan Le Batard, 25:32, refuting the notion)
  • “Chalamet wasn’t alive when Reggie Miller did what he did in those nine seconds.” (H, 26:07)

5. Comedy Name-Dropping Game (33:15–38:42)

• The show enters a humorous contest: who knows more top-tier comedians, and by what criteria (“do they have your number?”).
  • "I'm not playing this game. I won't do that." (H, 34:20)
  • “I know Jimmy Kimmel. That’s a good one. Beat that.” (Stugats, 34:23-34:31)
  • Ends with several inside jokes and riffs on Hollywood culture and club policies.

6. Hockey Journalism: Calling Out the Toronto Maple Leafs’ Controversial Hire (39:00–43:06)

• The crew listens to a sharply critical question from journalist Steve Simmons at the Leafs’ presser, confronting new exec John Chayka about widespread negative industry opinion.
  • “Of the 20 people I spoke to, one was supportive... the other 19 thought it was a sham. Words were used like con artist, liar, salesman.” (Steve Simmons, 39:44)
  • The hosts agree: the brashness is refreshing, and Simmons has the receipts.
    • “That was conveyed in the question; I don’t really have a problem with it.” (Mike, 41:16)
    • Pablo and co discuss the importance (and nerve) of confrontation in access journalism.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the meaning of the Pulitzer:

  • “Someone pointed out to me, it’s like, oh, when you die, this is like the thing they will say in the first sentence, should you not be disgraced before your death in ways that will demand legal clarification.”
    (Pablo Torre, 03:11)

• On style and substance:

  • “A lot of what journalism is about, it turns out, is not merely what you’re saying, but how you’re convincing an audience to care.”
    (Dan Le Batard, 01:32)

• On fun in journalism:

  • “Smart but stupid. Highbrow, but lowbrow. Maybe you agree with us if you only realize it’s a good time.”
    (Dan Le Batard, 16:35)

• On public perception and the difficulty of “fake news”:

  • “The answer is not to say those people can’t talk. We gotta censor those people... we are waging a battle of persuasion.”
    (Dan Le Batard, 19:23)

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Important Timestamps

• [00:56] Pablo Torre joins the show, reflecting on his 24 hours post-win
• [03:11] Pablo on telling his mom about the award
• [05:05] How Pablo found out he won the Pulitzer
• [07:29] Joking about the physical trophy (“I want a karate trophy”)
• [08:55] NBA and Steve Ballmer’s response to the investigation/reporting
• [16:35] Approach to fun and accessibility in serious journalism
• [19:23] “Fake news” and the battle for persuasion in media
• [21:28] Mortal Kombat movie sequel tangent
• [25:01] Knicks fandom debate: Stiller vs. Chalamet
• [39:44] Journalist confronts the Maple Leafs’ management at a presser
• [41:16] Debrief on aggressive journalism in sports
• [43:06] End of core show content

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Tone and Style

The episode is exuberant, irreverent, and quick-witted—true to the Le Batard tradition. Insightful breakdowns of journalism and sports are continually punctuated by inside jokes, pop culture deep-dives, and classic banter. The tone is playful yet thoughtful, particularly as the crew processes the significance of one of their own winning such a prestigious honor. Pablo Torre's sincerity and self-deprecating humor set the mood, while everyone else riff off the joyous occasion.

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For Listeners:

This episode celebrates not just a historic prize but also the unique voice of sports and audio journalism as practiced by Meadowlark Media—bringing together serious investigative work and the fun, collective oddness of its cast. Whether you care about journalism, NBA intrigue, nostalgia for Mortal Kombat, or the inner workings of the hockey world, there's plenty to savor here.

Transcript

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[Stugats]

This is the Dan Levator show with the Stugats podcast.

[Greg Cote]

Put it on the poll. Juju Is Timothee Chalamet now the number one New York Knicks fan? Valid question. Let's bring aboard Pablo Torre, who is having a huge 24 hours. That's right, Pulitzer Prize winning Pablo Torre. Pablo Torre finds out. Pulitzer Prize for audio reporting. Pablo, congratulations. Are you, are you finding yourself over the last 24 hours or however long it is that you've known now as emotional at times as Amin has been with this tremendous honor, getting to say

[Dan Le Batard]

Amin's name to the newsroom of the New York Times as they celebrated photography in Gaza and investigations in the Trump administration, and us doing a Doc Rivers impression about a salary cap themed episode is something that I don't think even the boldest Meadowlark Media founder would have ever dreamed of. Look, this was, I, I am inarticulate about how much it means to everybody who made these episodes. But for me, this is legitimately a celebration of how as well as what. Like I was talking to everybody at the Times building where we are in this licensing deal with the Athletic, and they were kind enough to have us celebrate with them. And we made it clear like this was our reporting, this was our own weird style. And what was so energizing was that people were bringing up the how like David Sampson and Amin Alhassan opening folders. Right. Like a lot of what journalism is about, it turns out is, is not merely what you're saying, but how you're convincing an audience to care. And so the idea that salary capture convention was the thing we won for is part of the story. And it's a really important part of the story, obviously, as we release part 10 of that series today on our channel. But really it's about how did we get millions of sports fans to care about holding a billionaire accountable. And in part, it's because of Doc Rivers impression.

[Greg Cote]

Got a lot of questions here. But first, who were you, like, the most proud to tell that your show won this award?

[Dan Le Batard]

I mean, the easy. The easy and real answer is my mom. Because my mom, until I think this phone call, was still asking if I was going to go to medical school. And that's. And any. Imagine any kid whose parents came to this country with some notion of, like, we're gonna risk a lot to send you to good schools and make you study and all that. Like, that's real. And this is one of those moments where you don't have to be morbid, but someone pointed out to me, it's like, oh, when you die, this is like the thing they will say in the first sentence, should you not be disgraced before your death in ways that will demand legal clarification. And I said, presuming I can avoid such a scandal, I think you're correct. This is how they would identify me. And that's something that is. I don't know, man, it felt cinematic, like it was funny yesterday. And Amin will appreciate this as well. I thought a lot about Amin yesterday when I was giving this speech. And yesterday was May 4, and you know, the Times is celebrating again this photographer in Gaza who was taking like, discourse changing photos about human rights tragedies. And I get up there and I'm like, I think I got to go with the line. I prepared for the first thing I'm going to say in this speech. And what I said to the New York Times building and all of its journalism was, it's an honor for me to address the Galactic Senate. And I think, I think people got it. They're like, yeah, it is like, if you see the visuals, like, there's a giant staircase and everyone's like, watching this stuff. But my parents getting to see that being silly can also mean being effective and smart and even significant in its way was really something that I can't summarize adequately.

[Mike]

Pablo was a Pulitzer Prize, even on your radar at all as a possibility. And how do you find out you've won? Like, who calls you?

[Dan Le Batard]

I got a call from the people at the Athletic in the New York Times on Sunday. And I didn't look. I got a call. It was like 11 something a.m. on Sunday. And when you get a call like that out of nowhere, you know, I was listening to what you guys were talking about before. When you get a call like that out of Nowhere. As you look at the Galactic Senate, you think something bad has happened. You know, that was. My reaction was not. Oh, boy. A random unannounced call from the New York Times Company.

[Stugats]

You thought you were getting sued.

[Dan Le Batard]

I thought I was gonna have to litigate or worse. You know, there are lots of things that flash through my mind, Mike, and yeah, it ended up being one of those core memories that I'm just never going to forget, I think.

[Greg Cote]

Have you. Wanted to.

[Jeremy]

Have you.

[Greg Cote]

I don't know if you're going to hear from him, but aren't you curious what someone like Mark Cuban thinks right now when he hears that you want a Pulitzer?

[Dan Le Batard]

Can we get him on the line? You guys have his number? Let's try and call him up. I love, I loved. I mean, part of what was fun was in the, in yesterday felt like a. Remember that time when Mark. I mean, people were bringing this up. Remember that time when Mark Cuban showed up in your studio and I was like, yeah, I missed that guy. I wonder where he went. He was part of the whole thing. And yes, I am fascinated as to what he thinks now. I'm fascinated as to what the NBA thinks now that the Pulitzer jury has deemed this journalism as opposed to gossip, which is what Steve Ballmer has recently dismissed it as in a victim impact statement which we discussed on today's episode, incidentally, with the former DOJ prosecutor. Prosecutor who launched the Aspiration investigation, which is a bit of a mad lib for how I would follow up the news of this award. Of course, we did this episode before we won the award, but like, that's actively, like, what does this body think of? This news is actively something that's relevant actually to how the Clippers continue to fight this. They dismiss it as anonymized, principally gossip based podcasting. And it turns out that the. This thing is probably very helpful in establishing that it's not quite that. And so, Mark, if you're out there, I would love. I would love to chat. Catch up.

[Roy]

Pablo. They asked me a question here in the studio that I did not have an answer to, which is, is there a trophy? And if so, is it one trophy or do we all get trophies? How does that work?

[Dan Le Batard]

I think I was. I embarrassingly took. So Greg asked earlier, like, did you. Did you, you know, did you envision winning this? Of course not. I mean, no, no, absolutely not. They never give this stuff to sports reporting. Also, by the way, different about this was that this was not in the format to go to what I was saying before. It was then in the format that they typically honor. And I love the format they typically honor. It's like narrative, public radio style, Deep dive investigations, documentary style. You've sort of heard this style before. We have taken from that medium and made it our own, but we're fundamentally doing it in studio as a talk show with friends. Which is bringing me back to Amin's question of, like, what did this look like? I don't know. I mean, I just googled it literally this morning because it occurred to me, like, what is this going to be physically? Because I had never actually imagined what it would be physically. And I think it's like a. I think it's like a giant metal. I think it's something that we can actually. I don't want to get ahead of myself in case this is against the terms of service that we all agreed to when we accept this. Yeah, there it is. I think you can probably melt this down and make it into something else if, like, it's not. I mean, because, like, a giant thing like this, it's a circle. That's cool. But I would like a karate trophy.

[Roy]

Yeah.

[Dan Le Batard]

And I don't know. Yeah, I want a giant karate trophy. I want to melt all the trophies into one giant karate trophy. Like, we just won the bloodsport tournament.

[Roy]

Kumite.

[Dan Le Batard]

The kumite.

[Greg Cote]

What do we know about where the NBA currently stands on everything?

[Dan Le Batard]

That's the focus of today's episode. The most recent and interesting thing is that Steve Ballmer, aforementioned richest owner in American Sports Guy, who does not appreciate the conversation we've been having about this podcast, has been in court filings saying many things that amount to the clearest and most energized version of his self defense. And so the NBA. What's so interesting is that the last section of the victim impact statement that Steve Ballmer filed, which went into the court filings ahead of the sentencing of the aspiration co founder Joe Sandberg, who has already pleaded guilty to two counts of wire fraud. What Steve Ballmer says at the end of that letter is that he wants the public to know that effectively, this is my translation. Whatever Joe Sandberg told the NBA and Wachtel Lipton, he should not be trusted. And immediately, of course, by my detective Spidey sense, says, what did Joe Sandberg tell the NBA? And then you look into the court filings on the other side, among the letters of support for Joe Sandberg, and there is a very carefully worded letter from Wachtel Lipton, the NBA's preferred investigators filed on the side of the aisle of Joe Sandberg, which is again, careful in its description of substantial assistance provided to the NBA in their investigation. But it seems that Joe Sandberg is now a player in the story of who said what to the people who can dole out a punishment. And so the NBA, presumably, as we dissect all of this on the show today, they are looking ahead to not only the sentencing of Joe Sandberg, but to the information that they will perhaps disclose about what he said about his former business partner, Steve Ballmer. They did nine figures of business together that were the sum total of their agreements was nine figures, okay, over $100 million. And so the NBA, I believe, and I mean, we'll remember this as well from our Terry Rozier episodes. They are also very afraid of what the federal government might be interested in. And so it's just one of these reminders, Zaz, and this is a very long answer to your question, but the NBA is very concerned about what the government, this administration in particular, by the way, which I have many problems with. But in trying to decode, what are they interested in? The question would be, can information come out? Because the federal government wants to investigate, wants to offer deals to the protagonists we've been mentioning for information about other people who are of interest to the government, much like the FBI and the DOJ did with Terry Rozier, that the NBA and the Miami Heat were caught blindsided seemingly by, or at least the Miami Heat was caught blindsided by. What if that happens next? And so there's just more information looming now that's now being alluded to in court filings.

[Stugats]

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[Roy]

Yeah.

[Stugats]

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[Dan Le Batard]

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[Stugats]

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[Stugats]

Doesn't matter. Anywhere. We could do it in Buffalo or Baltimore either.

[Roy]

You say you could do it where?

[Stugats]

Anywhere.

[Roy]

Oh, whoa.

[Stugats]

Oh, that's crazy.

[Roy]

That's crazy.

[Stugats]

That's crazy.

[Roy]

He said he could do it anywhere.

[Stugats]

That's crazy.

[Mike]

Murder.

[Stugats]

Murder. Tell him, Stugach. I had no idea. If Mean had that in his locker, that might be his best. That's great. I'm not kidding. That's crazy. Killer.

[Roy]

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[Stugats]

This is the Dan Levatar show with the Stugats. Pablo, earlier, I know that sports investigative journalism podcast form has existed before, but you guys did kind of create this new like punk rock sub genre. And I'm curious what you learned about getting attention to hard journalism work being done. Because it's difficult. I read the other day that a super majority of Americans avoid the news entirely because they would rather be ignorant. Because ignorance is bliss. So I guess you're kinda lumped in, any journalist is with this whole notion that there's this real world going on and not everything's great and it's hard to get people to pay attention. So what did you learn about drawing eyes and ears?

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah, look, the thesis of the show is that we should take the work really seriously, but take ourselves less so. And what does that mean? It means that sports, and I say this a lot and I mean it, and I felt really proud of its effectiveness. Now sports really is the. It's the cheese you melt on the broccoli of whatever non sports substance you want to discuss. And so I'm not saying we're trying to trick the audience, but really what I've been finding out here in the course of all of this, from both the most established institutions in journalism as well as like people who don't give a about any of that, and especially that latter category of people who don't give a fuck about any of that, it's that if you actually have fun doing journalism and think that it's also meaningful at the same time, there are actually millions of sports fans, millions of dudes out there principally, but billions of people out there who might actually agree with you, they might actually share the principle that wait a minute, journalism could be fun and meaningful and in fact what they Realize in the course of an investigation of the richest guy in sports is that maybe they believed that all along. And that's the, that's like the power of doing it in this stupid but smart way that like Meadowlark, I think has. Has embodied like independents trying to do it in that way. Smart but stupid. Highbrow, but low brow. Maybe you agree with us if you only realize that it's a good time. Like that's the thing that I think I found most assuring about this whole project.

[H]

It is interesting at its best. Sports and comedy too, can kind of Trojan horse in. Can kind of grease the skids for serious journalism in a way that I guess maybe national politics, to Mike's point a second ago there, that people just avoid the news now. And I'm curious, well, now you're the preeminent journalist of our society. Now you're a Pulitzer Prize winner after all. So now you must answer for all of the media. Are you surprised by or how do you reconcile. The original sin for me of the last decade was the claim from the guy who sits at the top of the mountain, fake news. I don't like this. And now, not surprisingly, other deeply wealthy people use that. You talk about Steve Ballmer in the NBA fake news. Pablo is, it's nonsense what he's saying. Is there a gap that these grotesquely wealthy people have found that allows them to. National political journalism has provided no better response than 80s New York gossip columnists have been able to respond to. Well, that's fake news. That's not true. How say you? Is there something fundamental about journalism that's been exposed here that if you just say that's fake, that there's really no retort to that.

[Dan Le Batard]

You know, I was thinking about actually this, this morning, like the fake news thing and how it started. And it really, by the way, started because people were on the other side of the aisle saying misinformation is fake news and we should be careful about it. And then to your point, like Trump just co ops it and he says immediately, you are all fake news, actually. Right. And so it's just important to remember how it started is that he did use the weapon against the people who are trying to be the purveyors and the arbiters of truth. And the thing that I've learned in my sort of study of how journalists, how journalistic work can be effective, it's that the answer is not to say those people can't talk. We gotta censor those people. Right? Because I think if you look at the game, right? The thing that they would love is to claim, now we are being victimized, now we are being censored, now we are the political prisoners by the deep state of the mainstream media, right? Like that's a dream. And so for me, what does it return to? It returns to the fact that we are waging a battle of persuasion. And so the question is, can journalism be impactful, but also something that people want to consume, right? Like, why do I melt cheese on the broccoli? Because you gotta want to eat the stuff. No one's gonna make airplane noises and spoon feed truth into your mouth. They need to want to actually eat it. They need to want to consume it. It needs to be something they look forward to. And if there's anything that I found from like the mainstream media perspective versus Trump as like we were talking to a lot of the reporters yesterday at the Times who one upholster for investigating Trump. It's that a lot of them, you know, I am in awe of what they do in terms of just the scale and the dangers and the legal risks. They're actively in court about these issues with the administration. And at the same time they want to know, how did you convince people to think your work is fun? And that's the legacy of how we did things insofar as we are still building it. And that's, I think, the solution to like the fake news problem, insofar it's been weaponized against the people who are trying to take risks to tell the truth.

[Stugats]

Pablo, you got to get high and find time to watch Mortal Kombat 2 with the boys or what, this week?

[Mike]

Hell yeah.

[Dan Le Batard]

How do we feel about Johnny Cage?

[Stugats]

I like that look. Cole Young was abysmal. A terrible lead and not a canon.

[Greg Cote]

But you said he's still in this movie.

[Stugats]

Yeah, but the poster placement suggests that he might be killed off early, which will pop.

[Greg Cote]

Fatality.

[Stugats]

We needed. Yes, I hope it's gruesome. We needed a new hero. He. It's Johnny Cage now, so I feel pretty good about it. I saw a clip of Kung Lao, who's now been risen, presumably by Quan Chi. I don't know, maybe you get on that. Risen from the dead now. Evil fighting Liu Kang, his cousin.

[Dan Le Batard]

Do we think. Do we think there will be a babality?

[Stugats]

Ooh, babality.

[Dan Le Batard]

The fatalities are like. I'm like, what?

[I]

Friendship.

[H]

Roasty.

[Dan Le Batard]

We'll get one of those. We'll get a lot of that stuff.

[Greg Cote]

But like, how many were those, right?

[Stugats]

Yeah, but that, that kind of depends on the state you're in.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah, some states there. There are restrictions.

[Stugats]

Others, like, you can barely tell where Cole Young is on there. Like, first off, Cole Young, terrible MMA fighter, lost to Eddie Tobias, which if you were a fan of the video game, you know that that was a salute. A tip of the razor edge to Ed Tobias.

[Dan Le Batard]

This is why I asked the question, Mike. Look how central Johnny Cage is. Yeah, he's a new.

[Stugats]

In the sequel, they decided new hero, kind of. And you know what? Before you laugh it off, Terminator 2 did this.

[Dan Le Batard]

Wait a minute. Can you go up? Can you. Can you guys scroll up?

[Stugats]

Video team Cole Young. He sucks. Hate Cole Young.

[Dan Le Batard]

Look at this dramatic reveal of the sunglasses. Yes.

[H]

Who are we?

[Dan Le Batard]

Okay, so that's Kano on the left,

[Stugats]

of course, Kano, who died in the first one. But again, I think Quan Chi is at it again, raising people from the dead.

[Dan Le Batard]

And we're doing Jax. That's Jax.

[Stugats]

Yeah. Jax was in the first one. His own got frozen by Sub Zero.

[H]

How do they.

[Dan Le Batard]

How do they just sneak in the tip of the metal arm, though? Jax mostly looks like a guy, and I just feel like they didn't really spotlight the whole I have metal arm thing.

[Greg Cote]

Interesting, Interesting.

[Roy]

I like that. I like. That was a great call. It's like, hey, just as like, there's a guy on this poster. Like, well, just make the little metal.

[Stugats]

Oh, on the poster. That's Noob Saibot over there on the left. Which means Quan Chi is also written.

[H]

These outfits are indistinguishable from the Met Gala.

[Stugats]

No, no, no. So. So Quan Chi rose Sub Zero. And I was like, I'm confused. Is Sub Zero a good guy or a bad guy? But the original Sub Zero was a bad guy. Resurrected becomes Noob Saibot. Which means, I guess, and I hope Sub Zero's brother assumes a Sub Zero mantle and gives us the babyface Sub Zero that we've all been hoping to see.

[Greg Cote]

Greg, which was your favorite character to

[Mike]

play, the one on the upper left? I don't know any of their names. I don't know what you guys are talking about. But Kano, he's got a knife, so I'm on his side.

[Greg Cote]

All right.

[Mike]

There you go. Yeah.

[Roy]

Pablo.

[Greg Cote]

New episode out today.

[Dan Le Batard]

New episode out today. It is not about what I now want to investigate, which is why are all the Asian people on the Mortal Kombat poster so small?

[Greg Cote]

All right.

[Dan Le Batard]

I just feel like, you know, our culture is not your costume. Although in this case, it is like a Met Gala worthy costume.

[H]

You know, by the Way Pablo mentions that, you have to make it appealing and fun for there to be an audience there. And I feel obliged to remind everybody Pablo is a huge sports fan. So weigh in on the Knickerbockers controversy here involving Ben Stiller Met Gala or Knickerbockers v. Sixers Game one. You have a ticket to both. Which one are you going to, Pablo?

[Dan Le Batard]

And I think. I think Ben knows what he. I think Ben knows he fucked up. I mean, two things are true, right? So we've done episodes in which we unearthed. This is. This is very. I think on. On topic. We unearth the secret video Ben Stiller helped film to recruit Kawhi Leonard to the Knicks. That's the thing that happened. That's. That's in our channel somewhere. Like Ben Stiller did that. He's a real fan. But you can't. Look, I think it's insane that anyone is saying that Chalamet has already leapfrogged Spike.

[Jeremy]

No, it's not.

[Dan Le Batard]

But if you know it's not, it's absolutely insane.

[Greg Cote]

Spike was at the Met Gala last year instead of the Knicks playoff game.

[Dan Le Batard]

I understand. I'm just saying that we're talking about a deck multi decades, and I think Ben Stiller is attempting to be on the medal stand, and he should be concerned that he is definitively off of it, despite the fact that I know him to be a real Knicks fan who's filmed Knicks propaganda. I think he. He knows he up because, you know, I go Spike then. I mean, do I even put Chalamet second?

[Jeremy]

Dude, Chalamet waited outside of a Broadway show to get a picture with Landry.

[H]

Chalamet wasn't alive when Reggie Miller did what he did in those nine seconds. What are we talking about? And he's still a Knicks fan. Mike Lee was talking stuff to Reggie Miller. He got good moments. Chalamet ranks ahead of that guy.

[Stugats]

Come on. I think there's a point for Jeremy.

[Greg Cote]

Yeah.

[Dan Le Batard]

At the risk of sounding like a troll, Chalamet's not gonna. Jeremy, I'm sorry.

[Greg Cote]

Oh, that is shocking.

[Jeremy]

Hey, good luck catching up to me on the Emmys, Mr. Pulitzer.

[Stugats]

Oh, damn.

[Greg Cote]

Did not see that.

[Stugats]

Your thoughts on Kid Cudi kicking Mia off the tour? You missed that while you were winning your awards. She apparently had some political statements. I don't know if you followed what's been going with her or this tour, which is a millennial's paradise, because big boy from outkast is also on this tour. I had never seen Mia. I have tickets to See Kid Cudi on Saturday. Gonna take a few edibles, get a little high, sing a few songs, you know, And I'm not gonna get to see Mia now because she went off and, you know, went over to Magaland. Yeah, she did.

[Dan Le Batard]

Oh, damn.

[Stugats]

Yeah.

[Dan Le Batard]

Andrew Robinson.

[Stugats]

This Kid Cudi put out a statement first. He actually put out two statements. One was very refreshing because he just acknowledged, hey, the tour is selling really well. Not selling well in Alabama. I have to cancel the tour stop in Alabama because the ticket sales were bad. That's much better than what Post Malone did, which was, I'm not selling tickets, but I'm not going to tell you that. I'm just going to finish my album. Air quotes. Okay, Post. But then he was like, look, I told Mia what was up before the tour. None of this. I knew the deal.

[Greg Cote]

None of this bullshit.

[Stugats]

And she did the bullshit.

[Roy]

Isn't she Sri Lankan?

[Stugats]

She's an immigrant. And the videos of the. Of the event actually support her statement. But everyone that was there was like, no, no, she went, like, off the

[Greg Cote]

right end, which is the wrong end

[Stugats]

in this case, because it's not great, because it left people feeling a certain way. Gotcha. And Kid Cudi did not want people. It was bad vibes. Bad vibes at a show that was all about good vibes.

[Dan Le Batard]

Pablo, why was Liu Kang so small on the poster?

[Greg Cote]

You know why?

[Dan Le Batard]

The bicycle kicks.

[Stugats]

Yeah, the chicken kick.

[Dan Le Batard]

Chicken kick. The bicycle kick.

[Stugats]

Yeah, we call it.

[Dan Le Batard]

I call it a chicken kick. It's a chicken kick.

[Stugats]

Yeah, it's a chicken.

[H]

What?

[Roy]

Never heard that.

[Stugats]

Yeah, the chicken.

[Dan Le Batard]

No one says that.

[Stugats]

No, it's a chicken kick.

[Dan Le Batard]

What an insult. Chickens? You think chickens kick like that?

[Stugats]

As a Cuban from South Florida, nearby Hialeah.

[Greg Cote]

Yes, Pablo, you said it all. Congratulations on the Pulitzer.

[Dan Le Batard]

Good job, Pablo.

[Greg Cote]

Excellent job.

[Dan Le Batard]

Love you, Pablo.

[Greg Cote]

Excellent job. Great day.

[H]

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[Dan Le Batard]

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[H]

I was probably like that kind of thing.

[Roy]

Something.

[Mike]

Okay. No, the home run call was that kind of swing. That kind of thing.

[Stugats]

Stugats. Oh, it's a good call.

[Mike]

Thank you. And plus, it doesn't matter who's hitting it. Like you're not tailoring it to a particular name. You know, all that jazz. You know you don't got to do that.

[Stugats]

Oh, that would be a great call.

[H]

Swing.

[Mike]

That kind of thing.

[Stugats]

This is the Dan Levatar show with the stugats.

[H]

Maybe Letterman's jackets for all the Pulitzer winners. What about that?

[Roy]

I can get with that man.

[H]

Blazers. What color would you be that? That's the question. We have green and gold already claimed. And of course the New England Patriots Who. Who represent are. Are fighters from the late 18th century who beat back. The Brits, of course, honor their greatest players, like Gronk, who's about to get this with a red coat. A red coat, yeah. Makes sense of that one for. So anyway, red's out, too.

[Greg Cote]

Pulitzer brown.

[Roy]

Would it be that color? The color of the coin right there?

[Stugats]

Yeah.

[Dan Le Batard]

Copper.

[Greg Cote]

Can I play something for you guys here?

[Stugats]

I hope it's Paper Planes by Mia. I don't care about her political leanings. I wanted to hear that banger of a song, and now I'm not gonna get to.

[Greg Cote]

Well, all I want to do is.

[Roy]

Can you name a second Mia song?

[Stugats]

Yeah. Live Fast, Die Young, Bad Girl.

[Roy]

Oh, that's right.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah.

[Roy]

That was like.

[Jeremy]

She was on that Kanye song, Right?

[Roy]

How's he doing?

[Stugats]

He was. He actually pulled up to the Comedy Store the other day.

[Roy]

Yeah, I saw that. It's. It's. Look, I love the Comedy Store. Every time I'm in L. A, I stop off there. The one thing I don't like is they do have this policy that if you are famous enough and you decide, I want to try to stand up tonight, they'll put you on. And he's one of those guys.

[Greg Cote]

It's like, you have a problem with that policy?

[Roy]

I do.

[Greg Cote]

That's one of the fun things about going to a club like that.

[Roy]

No, I like. Like, I know a lot of comedians, so I know what it means to be bona fides, to. To be on that stage and to get five minutes, two minutes, whatever it is. And so for someone to cut the line, not because they're funny, but because I'm just famous enough. Well, we like it for the attention.

[Stugats]

I think Dave said, can he have. He vouched for him after Chappelle.

[Roy]

Oh. Oh, I thought you meant Dave Davidson.

[Stugats]

I was like, no, no. I'm on first name basis with Dave Chappelle. I should have told you.

[Greg Cote]

But that's one of the fun things. Like, you got to take the good with the bad there, you know? The bad is. It's someone who you don't think deserves to cut the line. But the good is holy. I can't believe so and so just showed up.

[Roy]

I don't know. I'm a com. Maybe I'm a comic.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah, but these people aren't. It's not like if Danny DeVito shows up, he's like, I'm gonna become a comedian. And it's like he's just going up there to add to the show. Right. It's not Generally replacing somebody that was gonna.

[Greg Cote]

Well, sometimes someone get.

[Roy]

What I mean is people get bumped

[I]

so the show can run late.

[Stugats]

Yeah, a lot of people got bumped that day. I mean, but they have the. Netflix is a joke comedy festival, so the comedy story is the place to be.

[H]

I know a lot of comedians has a weird kind of humble.

[Stugats]

You know a lot of comedians, Right. You don't like to talk about.

[Dan Le Batard]

He won't say it.

[Greg Cote]

You're embarrassed at how many comedians you know.

[H]

It's like claiming like Sinatra, like, yeah, I know people in the mob.

[Stugats]

All right, so like, I don't know.

[H]

It's a weird claim to make about.

[Stugats]

All right, I'm going to, I'm going to make a list. You tell me how many. How many comedians you know and how many comedians. I mean, you, you volunteer that and I'll keep track.

[Dan Le Batard]

What are we considering knowing them?

[Mike]

Yes. What is that?

[Dan Le Batard]

Met once. Are you friendly with. Would they invite you to a dinner?

[Greg Cote]

Do they know your name?

[H]

Are they in your phone?

[Stugats]

Yeah. Can you text them?

[Mike]

Okay. Are they in your phone?

[Stugats]

All right. I mean, your first friend.

[H]

I'm not playing this game. I won't do that.

[Stugats]

I know, I know. Jimmy Kimmel. So that's one for you. I mean, you know Jimmy Kimmel. I know that Jimmy Kimmel's one of your friends.

[Mike]

That's a good one. Beat that.

[Stugats]

I mean, well, if I, if, if

[H]

this can extend into people who have written comedy, well, then I, then I would imagine I'll win.

[Roy]

He'd win.

[H]

I mean, comedians have done a 10 minute set in a comedy club. If that's the standard I imagine I mean, will win.

[Roy]

Yeah, Like, I know a lot of stand ups. I don't know a lot of people. Comedy writers. I know a lot of stand up.

[Greg Cote]

No, I think it has to be people who have performed comedy.

[Stugats]

All right.

[H]

On the stage or on the page. Very rarely do those things over.

[Stugats]

All right, I'll just throw out a name. Who knows Eddie Murphy?

[Roy]

Yeah, Dave.

[H]

I know his longtime security guard. I do.

[Dan Le Batard]

Closer than a mean.

[Stugats]

All right, that's a point for Dave. Is it a security guard who knows the Sandman?

[H]

I have met the Sandman. And in fact, I had the opportunity to tell the Sandman once that I appreciated him as cockroach and Theo's best friend on the Cosby Show. Oh, that's right.

[Greg Cote]

Wow. Great pull.

[H]

And he used to. And he chuckled. And he used to shoot hoops out outside my window. In my first job when I was a writer's assistant, when I Got to Los Angeles and he remembered that fondly. This is 2 nothing damage check for me.

[Roy]

Okay, so what? I would approach him. While I have never spoken to Adam Sandler, a friend of mine met him and then told him there's I love you, I love your work, no matter what. That podcast he's talking about, Citophobe. And Sandler said, what podcast? And then my buddy's like, yeah, I didn't tell him the name. I'm like, why wouldn't you tell him the name? I could have been in the next Happy Gilmore. Whatever. Just like, hey, happy Gilmore 6. Amin's in the background.

[H]

I like to do that. That's a move I'm keen on, is going up to people who are famous for better, more prestigious roles and identifying them for an obscure role earlier in their career. I went up to Bradley Whitford once, noteworthy from West Wing and otherwise, and I was like, revenge of the nerds too. Right? I laugh and then they kind of smirk.

[Dan Le Batard]

That is how you do it.

[Greg Cote]

Amin still stuck on zero?

[Stugats]

No. He knows Brad Williams. Oh, he's in a poop chat with him.

[H]

I know him too.

[Stugats]

Who knows Andrew Schultz?

[H]

That's a push.

[Roy]

There you go.

[H]

Congratulations. Somebody responsible for perhaps costing us our society.

[Roy]

I like how people. People put that on him.

[H]

I mean, who else should I put it on?

[Dan Le Batard]

I don't know.

[Roy]

Maybe the people who voted.

[Stugats]

All right, that leads me to my

[H]

next one of them.

[Stugats]

Joe Rogan.

[H]

Never met him. He took over the man show, though. I worked on the original man show and then he took over the man show, though.

[Roy]

Got manlier.

[H]

Yeah, apparently.

[Stugats]

Yeah, the. The.

[H]

The more extreme version of the man show.

[Roy]

Oh, I got Russell Peters.

[Greg Cote]

Okay, that's a good one, madam.

[Stugats]

It's three.

[Dan Le Batard]

Three.

[Stugats]

Now he's a pal.

[Roy]

Oh, wait, he's a pal.

[Stugats]

He's a pal.

[Roy]

Hung out with them on Friday.

[Stugats]

That goes to Dave. Rob Schneider.

[H]

Never met him.

[Stugats]

Now you love him.

[H]

He counts as a comedian at this point.

[Roy]

Yeah, you have to be able to tell jokes.

[Greg Cote]

I mean, he still performs at the end.

[Stugats]

He was on Kill Tony. Kill Tony.

[H]

Joe, I think this is boring. Roy, I'm gonna look to you as the soundboard.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yes, it's born.

[Greg Cote]

I want to play something for you guys. That took place yesterday. So you had a couple hockey games last night. Hurricanes won, Golden Knights won. Great. But the biggest story in the NHL yesterday took place in Toronto. So the Toronto Maple Leafs are a dumpster fire, and they have hired as their new. I guess their new executive team. Right. One Matt Sundin. Who, of course, is a Maple Leafs legend. Everyone's gonna like that. And the other guy is called John Chakra, right? Cheka Cheka. John Chaca, really young executive who flamed out wildly in Arizona like 10 years ago amidst a bunch of controversy. And so the Maple Leafs have hired him as their new gm, and this has been met with incredibly negative reaction. Now, I am especially interested in your opinion here First, Greg, when I play this clip for you. So the Toronto Maple Leafs brass, with John Chaiko on the stage there, and I guess the guy in the middle is the president, probably the president of the CEO. CEO, okay. CEO. Of the team. And they're fielding questions. And so listen, this, I believe this reporter is from the Toronto Sun, Steve

[Dan Le Batard]

Simmons of the Toronto Sun.

[Greg Cote]

Steve Simmons from the Toronto Sun. Look, you could ask tough questions, of course, and especially in a market like Toronto hockey, like, tough questions should be expected. But this, to me is. Is so, so aggressive. I'd like you to give this a listen.

[H]

It's worth coloring it in as that, you know, the Toronto Maple Leafs are the headquarters of the NHL. Is that fair to say that, Roy?

[Greg Cote]

Yes.

[Dan Le Batard]

No.

[Stugats]

They are capital of the hockey universe.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah.

[Greg Cote]

And so. So this. This question you want to have to ask and get answered. Tough questions, but this is so aggressive. Give this a listen.

[L]

Steve Simmons, Toronto Sun. For Keith, you talk about the due diligence that you did on John prior to hiring him and now hiring him. In the past, say, three to four days, I have been in contact with about 20 people who work in the National Hockey League, many of whom are prominent names that we would all know. And of the 20 people I spoke to, one was supportive of John's hiring, and the other 19 thought it was a sham. To be perfectly honest, words were used like con artist, liar, salesman. How did you come to a different conclusion that I was able to come to in a very short time?

[Greg Cote]

I must have talked to different people.

[L]

That's it.

[Stugats]

Because I'm telling you, the hockey world

[L]

today is astounded by this announcement. Okay, and your response to that is,

[Greg Cote]

is we've conducted due diligence, and it was deep due diligence. It was a thorough process, and I'm quite happy with where we've landed. It's really aggressive, Greg.

[Mike]

Super aggressive. I think if the questioner, the guy can back up all of the things he's implying and alleging and quote some of those 19 people, then it legitimizes it. I mean, it's difficult. But, you know, as you all say, this is the Capital of hockey. There's been an embarrassment lately. They need to nail the hire. And if this guy just made a very dubious, controversial hire, that's newsworthy, and that was conveyed in the question, I don't really have a problem with it.

[Dan Le Batard]

Oh, okay.

[Greg Cote]

That's interesting, because I'm not saying that anyone should have a problem with it. Just like, I watched that and I've read about this guy Cheka, and, you know, there's no passing success. And there was, like, scandal where the Coyotes were. Were tagged by the league, they lost draft picks and all that. Like, this guy apparently would never been hired by anybody else. He's not a name that. Like. Like a hot name that's out there, but. But you're cool with. You're good with the line of question.

[Stugats]

Well, he said, provided that he can go and provide additional context. Steve Simmons is the name of the journalist here, and he has gone on other shows and he has provided additional stories. I mean, they're in the press conference format. He's not going to rattle off all the stories right there. But, you know, 19 sources is a lot. And you could hear it in his voice. What he did there was pretty brave.

[H]

Yeah, I agree, Mike. That's the main takeaway. Chaika is sitting right there, too, for the listener. You don't hear his voice in that clip. He's sitting there on a human level. We just talked to Pablo about journalism, and, you know, access journalism is a thing, and, you know, to do that takes balls.

[Stugats]

Yeah. I almost want to hear the sound again because it's great. Now with the added context of him being there, right there at the press conference and his voice trembling. Another one of the stories that he provided was when he was in Arizona, they had these offices that you could look inside. They were surrounded by glass, and Jacob would have six monitors, and they would have all these fancy graphs. And one of the people in the front office was like, I want to know what's going on there. I want to understand what all these fancy things, graphs are. So he goes in with an IT person, and the IT person says, five of these are fake. They're not actually working monitors. This is just a still image here to make it seem like he is doing some kind of advanced work. He doesn't need six monitors. He only needs the one.

[Greg Cote]

The reaction has been so overtly negative. I don't think he's gonna survive. I think he's gonna resign before he even starts. Like, reaction's been really, really aggressively negative.

[Roy]

Do we know what the thinking was I know he said, oh, we talked to different people. But what was the thinking?

[Stugats]

I think there were parallels here, actually, with what's happening at the University of Miami in that this was an insular search and they thought it was a good idea. They thought it was a good idea, and they weren't talking to enough people on the outside. He said they did their due diligence. Precious little evidence. The other night, I was staying in. At least that was a plan. Then the text from my buddy Eagle Eye comes in. Mike, we've got the games on. I say, yeah. I grab a pack of Miller Lite, and immediately my plan's gone. Now it's playoff basketball. Every possession feels huge. Baseball's on another screen, and I somehow care about that, too. Everybody's got takes flying. Nobody's watching. Just one thing, and we're all way more into it than we ever expected. It was one of those nights that you take a sip, you look around and you think, yeah, this was the right move. That's why I reached for Miller Lite. It's clean, refreshing, easy to drink, brewed for taste, with simple ingredients, just 96 calories and 3.2 carbs. The original light beer since 1975. And it still hits different cheers to legendary moments with Miller Lite. Great taste. 96 calories. Go to millerlight.com dan to find delivery options near you. Or you can pick up some Miller Lite pretty much anywhere they sell beer. It's Miller time. Celebrate responsibly. Miller Brewing Co. Milwaukee, Wisconsin. 96 calories, 3.2 carbs per 12 ounces.