Paige Bueckers, Azzi Fudd, and Relationships In The Public Eye | Hour 3

Summary

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The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz

Episode: Paige Bueckers, Azzi Fudd, and Relationships In The Public Eye | Hour 3
Date: April 28, 2026

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Overview

In this episode, Dan Le Batard, Stugotz, and the crew broadcast from the Elser Hotel in Miami, discussing high-profile relationships in women's sports—specifically the public and media focus on WNBA stars Paige Bueckers and Azzi Fudd’s relationship, following both being drafted by the Dallas Wings. The team delves into the challenges of mixing work and romance on a professional team, broader media treatment of women’s sports, NFL draft reactions (notably Miami Dolphins’ pick Kaden Proctor), and NBA playoff insights.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Paige Bueckers and Azzi Fudd: Relationships in the Public Eye

• Paige Bueckers Addresses the Media:
  • Paige delivers a prepared statement, establishing boundaries regarding her and Azzi Fudd’s personal relationship and its relevance to their professional lives.
  • Quote (Paige Bueckers at 02:32):
    “Quite frankly, I believe me and Azy's personal relationship is nobody's business but our own. And what we choose to share is completely up to us... we have always been the most professional. We’ve never let anything that happens off the court carry onto the court.”
• Media Response and Team Take:
  • The crew praises Bueckers’ professionalism but debates if privacy is feasible for public-facing athletes.
  • Chris Whittingham (03:46):
    “Well handled by her. But nobody's business but our own? Not in this business. Fame isn't a restaurant menu item. You don't get to choose how you get it.”
• The Uniqueness of a Same-Sex, On-Team Relationship:
  • Discussion about how same-sex relationships on the same team are unique for the public and media—less so within women’s sports culture, but highly scrutinized on the broader sports stage.
  • Greg Cody and Mike Shay observe that romantic relationships at work—especially in pro sports—are especially fraught because, if things sour, the tension can spill over onto the court.
    • Mike Shay (04:46):
      “Despite the prevalence of workplace relationships... what happens when the personal relationship has friction but you still have to show up to work?”

2. Comparing to Past Sports Dynamics

• Analogies to Other Sports Relationships:
  • Comparing Bueckers-Fudd to other unique workplace relationships, such as Bronny and LeBron (father/son teammates), Doc and Austin Rivers (father/son, coach/player dynamics), and unusual workplace pairings across sports.
• Professional Women’s Sports as a Different World:
  • Mike Ryan points out these interpersonal relationships are common but less reported in women’s sports—especially in European women’s soccer and basketball (10:04).
  • Anecdote from Mike Shay (11:49) about WNBA love triangles actually impacting trades:
    “That's happened multiple times in the WNBA... where teams literally could not make a transaction... because they used to date.”

3. Media, Privacy, and Covering Women's Sports

• Who Sets the Terms?
  • Chris and Dan note the tension between wanting broader, equal media coverage and discomfort when media covers personal relationships the way it would in men’s leagues.
  • Dan Le Batard (17:43):
    “[WNBA asks for] being covered a certain way. It’s just because we’re now paying attention to them for the first time... They’re saying, ‘No, don’t cover us this way.’”
• Satirical Self-Reflection:
  • The panel jokes about a group of men dissecting women’s sports, acknowledging the space they're occupying and poking fun at themselves.
    • Chris Whittingham (18:47):
      “How about us? Men, men, men, men, men...”

4. NFL Draft: Reactions to the Miami Dolphins’ Selection

• Greg Cody’s Change of Heart on Dolphins’ Draft Pick (Kaden Proctor):
  • The group revisits the live draft show where Greg and others hated the pick, now with Cody writing a formal apology for his overreaction.
  • Chris Whittingham (27:06):
    “Greg Cody put his finger up, licked his finger, put it up in the air, and it blew a different way... now he's going to write a column apologizing.”
• Debate: Should Teams Take Guards in the Top of the Draft?
  • Heated disagreement about the value of drafting an offensive guard at #11, with Chris and Dan questioning the wisdom, especially with local favorite Reuben Bain still available.
    • Chris Whittingham (28:01):
      “If he's a perennial pro bowler with the number 11 pick, I don't want a guard. I don't want a guard ever.”
• NFL Draft Calls – Comic Relief:
  • Multiple listens of Ravens’ GM Eric DaCosta’s call to Zion Young, humorously noting DaCosta says “Let’s get it” 10+ times in one call.
    • “Let’s Get It Counter” (24:48-25:54):
      Count ends at 10.5 repetitions—a running gag.

5. NBA Playoffs: Surprises and Trends

• The Changing Playoff Landscape:
  • Discussion on how increased three-point shooting and flatter talent distribution are leading to more upsets (e.g., one and two seeds are less insulated).
  • Mike Shay details (37:06 onwards) how the current NBA playoff format actually disadvantages top seeds compared to lower seeds who find out their opponents earlier.
• Cade Cunningham and the Pistons:
  • Pistons’ playoff collapse discussed as a predictable result of a flawed supporting cast, despite Cade’s star talent.
  • Greg and Chris debate: Is this about inexperience or Cade’s health? Consensus is the roster is the chief problem.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Paige Bueckers, on privacy:

  “Me and Azy's personal relationship is nobody's business but our own. And what we choose to share is completely up to us... We will continue to use that experience to show up and be professionals.”
  — Paige Bueckers (02:32)

• Chris Whittingham, on athlete fame:

  “Fame isn’t a restaurant menu item. You don’t get to choose how you get it.”
  — Chris Whittingham (03:46)

• Mike Shay, on relationships at work:

  “In any workplace we always say, don't shit where you eat... does that stop people from dating in the workplace? Absolutely not.”
  — Mike Shay (04:46)

• Eric DaCosta, Ravens GM, on the draft call:

  [“Let's get it... Let’s get it...” repeated 10.5 times]
  — Eric DaCosta (24:31–25:39)
  [Entire segment the team counts and laughs at the repetition.]

• Panel, jokingly:

  “Look at us, man. Bunch of dudes. He figured out. Women's sports forum. Hell, yeah.”
  — Mike Shay/Chris Whittingham (18:18–18:53)

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Key Segment Timestamps

• 02:32: Paige Bueckers’ statement on her relationship and professionalism
• 03:46: Chris Whittingham’s take on media scrutiny and fame
• 04:40–12:30: Discussion of workplace relationships, comparisons with other sports
• 17:16–18:31: On WNBA’s coverage standards and media pushback
• 24:10–25:54: Ravens GM Eric DaCosta’s draft call (“Let’s Get It” running gag)
• 27:06–32:49: Dolphins draft pick debate, Greg Cody’s apology column
• 35:13–36:01: Discussion of Proctor’s potential and Nick Saban’s comments
• 37:06–41:58: Modern NBA playoff upsets, Pistons’ flaws, and playoff structures

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Tone & Language

The episode maintains the show’s signature mix of insight and irreverent humor; the panel banters, challenges, and teases both each other and the sports world. Personalities shine through (especially when poking fun at themselves for discussing women’s sports dynamics as a group of men). Paige Bueckers’ statement is treated with respect, but the realities of fame and the sports media machine are viewed with a knowing, often skeptical, eye.

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Conclusion

The episode navigates complex territory around private relationships in public sports, especially as the WNBA garners new attention in the wake of high-profile players and draft drama. The crew highlights larger issues of workplace dynamics, player-media relationships, and the ways sports culture is shifting in both the men’s and women’s games. Through all the seriousness, the show maintains its playful, self-aware tone, balancing genuine analysis with trademark jokes and callbacks.

Transcript

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[Chris Whittingham]

Have some Eric DaCosta sound the Ravens general manager awkwardly making a phone call to a draft pick that we'll get to. But before we do that, I wanted to go back in time a little bit, and I didn't want to address this story until at least some of the participants had addressed this story, as opposed to having the Dallas Wings speak on behalf of Paige Beckers and Az Fudd and their relationship. So I want to get into this, but let's first hear from Paige Beckers basically telling us all to mind our own business after the first overall pick in the draft is somebody that she's in a relationship with and that's not something that the media has had put in front of them before this way. And so it became, you know, a a talk conversation point for a whole lot of people who don't generally cover the wnba.

[Paige Beckers]

There is something that I wanted to address, and I only plan on addressing it once. So if we continue to get asked about it, we will refer to this moment in time or we will use this time to deflect and talk about our teammates. Quite frankly, I believe me and Azy's personal relationship is nobody's business but our own. And what we choose to share is completely up to us. But as media members, I understand you guys have a job to do and you guys have to ask questions about the basketball aspect of it. So that's what I will be addressing today. Me and AZ have always been the most professional. We've always conducted ourselves as such, and we've never let anything that happens off the court carry onto the court. And that's what we continue to do. And I'm not entirely sure if this is new to media members, to social media, to new people who are watching the WNBA or women's basketball in general, but me and AZ are not new to this. We've been doing this for a long time. We have countless reps at it. We have a lot of experience with it. So we will continue to use that experience to show up and be professionals. Great teammates, great leaders, great leaders, the hardest workers and continue to show up and do our job and help the Dallas Wings win basketball games.

[Chris Whittingham]

Well handled by her. But nobody's business but our own. Not in this business. Fame isn't a restaurant menu item. You don't get to choose how you get it. But that's one way to try and dictate the terms early on because I suspect anybody now asking them questions about this is going to do so with trepidation because of where it is that she is starting the bidding.

[Mike Shay]

Well, first of all, I want to appreciate her for her direct response and discussing of it over the strategy that they did with Aziz.

[Mike Ryan]

Well, no question they dropped the ball early on.

[Mike Shay]

Yeah, that's how they should have done it the first time around. Yes, it's an elephant in the room. We're gonna have to discuss it, but I don't want it to be a dominant thing. So, Dan, you say why are people uncomfortable about this? There's a couple reasons. Number one, the obviously the same sex relationship aspect of it is very uncharted territory in traditional male sports.

[Greg Cody]

Well, it could be a different sex relationship, but they don't play sports together. It has to be.

[Mike Shay]

That's. It has to be same sex. But again, that part is. I don't want to use the word taboo, but like uncharted territory in terms of day to day conversations. Right. Number one. But then specifically the reason why it Is and should be discussed despite her request, is because it is a workplace relationship. In the same way that we Discuss Bronny and LeBron, they have a relationship that supersedes the workplace relationship. In the same way that we discussed Doc and Austin Rivers, they had a relationship that superseded the workplace relationship. And here we have two players who are in a relationship together. Obviously not parent, child, but partners. It supersedes the workplace relationship. That's why it's relevant. Because how do we separate despite her protestations and say, hey, we're professionals. We've been through this before. How do we separate workplace from personal relationship in that scenario? So if Paige Beckers doesn't pass the ball to Az Foot in an end of game situation, whatever, how are we supposed to surmise whether that is indicative of something that happened outside the purview of the workplace but in the personal. Because one thing I know about relationships, same sex, different sex, whatever, people get in arguments. And that's a reason why in any workplace we always say, don't shit where you eat or whatever. That's this old saying right? Now, does that stop people from dating in the. In the workplace? Absolutely not. How many relations you don't feel good

[Chris Whittingham]

about the don't shit where you eat. There. You don't feel great about it. I can tell it was leaking confidence when it came true.

[Mike Shay]

All right, I don't shit.

[Mike Ryan]

What I let him cook here a little bit. It's a complicated matter.

[Mike Shay]

So the. I appreciate it though.

[Dan Le Batard]

I saw it coming on your face.

[Chris Whittingham]

But complicated. So complicated that it shouldn't have a don't shit where you eat as a flippant throwaway. That's true.

[Mike Shay]

Me, I don't shit where I eat.

[Dan Le Batard]

Also, I have pooped at a restaurant.

[Mike Shay]

Definitely not me.

[Mike Ryan]

This is why the eye should have stayed on the ball.

[Mike Shay]

So the point being is, despite the prevalence of workplace relationships across America, across industries, sports or otherwise, it is generally kind of considered not the greatest like tack. Because why? Because what happens when the personal relationship has friction but you still have to show up to work? If I'm dating a woman that works as a. As a nurse, for instance, if we have an argument, we break up. I don't have to worry about walking into the studios like, there she is again, or this is going to be awkward.

[Chris Whittingham]

But wait a minute though. There are a couple of things that complicate this. One is they're enormously valuable, the two of them. They're enormously important to what's happening here. The number one overall Pit and Paige Becker's. That's. That's one thing. The other thing is we talk about AJ Brown's relationship with his teammates all the time. All of this stuff is wildly complicated when you're building your foundation on it.

[Mike Ryan]

And the third aspect of this is that she wasn't a consensus number one. There were people scrutinizing this pick the same way they did with, as you mentioned, which were great points. Bronny and Austin Rivers getting his big contract. There's. There's a favorable opinion already in that locker room of this player.

[Mike Shay]

So I've tended to avoid that part because everyone has. No, the part about whether she shouldn't have been. Whether she was consensus or not. Because what I find, Mike, is when we. If you bring that up, the loyalists will say, you don't even follow our sport. You don't know.

[Mike Ryan]

Which is fair.

[Mike Shay]

Now they have a basketball argument against.

[Mike Ryan]

No, no, no, I got it. I'm piggybacking on a. On a national topic.

[Chris Whittingham]

I don't know, which is.

[Mike Shay]

Which is why I try to keep it just in the purview of something. I think that we can all agree. And so you talk about A.J. brown. You're right. But guess what? That is a typical workplace dynamic of, I work with people, maybe we're cool, someday we're not, but life goes on. Whereas romantic relationships, we all agree, there's a higher level of. When it's great, the connectivity is higher than my best friends or my great coworkers that I like. But when it's bad, it is incredibly negative. It can affect your mood and even your decision making in a way that it surpasses logic. Like, hey, this is illogical, the way I'm going to behave. But guess what? I'm feeling this way because of the strife in my personal relationship.

[Greg Cody]

Look, the way. The way the Dallas Wings hired it at AZ FUDs media availability. Originally, it was total amateur hour. Like, there's no other way to put it, because Paige Becker's handled herself perfectly fine. Like, there was nothing wrong with what she said. We'll see where it goes from here. But Paige Becker's saying that we've been in this situation before. We know how to handle it. No, you haven't.

[Dan Le Batard]

All right, they were together.

[Greg Cody]

But no, what I'm saying is they're really young. Like, are they going to get married one day? Odds are, the person you're dating at 21, 22 years old, you don't necessarily get married to that person. So when you say that you've been through this before, you have not been through some huge breakup, and then you're working side by side. I'm not trying to be funny when I say this, but, like, if Dan and I were in a romantic relationship, everything's fine right now. Not trying to be funny. Everything's fine right now. But if we broke up, there's no way I would be able to work next to him.

[Mike Ryan]

But that is not unchartered territory in women's sports. We just don't know about it all that much because it's not reported on. On as much over here, especially in Europe. This is commonplace in. In women's soccer.

[Greg Cody]

Let's also add back to back number one picks, like franchise corner.

[Mike Ryan]

No, I know it would be different if Max Crosby was dating Arvell Reese and Arvell Reese went number one. We'd be having different discussions.

[Mike Shay]

Right?

[Mike Ryan]

We would. We're just not used to having these surrounding the number one pick in the direction of a. Of a pro franchise in which people pay money to see these players.

[Greg Cody]

I wasn't trying to be funny. Damn.

[Eric DaCosta]

Sorry.

[Dan Le Batard]

I think the toughest part two is you have the relationship at home, and then you go to work, and you also have the relationship there. So it's like there's no way to get out of. If you're having some sort of situation, like, you're kind of cornered in every step of the way.

[Mike Shay]

And by the way, I want to also point out I'm not predicting strife. They might be madly in love forever. That doesn't mean that the specter of it could happen isn't still with us. And so that's why it's a conversation. If she were dating Rihanna, I would agree 100%. That has nothing to do. That's my personal relationship. Even though we're famous, even though Dan could say, hey, you don't get to choose off the menu. I can respect that sentiment because that is not a workplace relationship. In the same way that Asia and Bam dating one another, even though they work in the same industry, quote, unquote. They're not coworkers. So I can respect. Hey, yeah, like, this has nothing to do with how I'm playing. Why are you asking me these questions? They're teammates. And, you know, Mike, you say it's commonplace. I worked in the wnba and I'm not going to name names. I know, Dev, like, oh, no. Name the names. I'm not going to because it is personal relationships. But I know of cases where teams literally could not make a transaction that was unequivocally. Blockbuster deal.

[Chris Whittingham]

Why?

[Mike Shay]

Because they used to date and now they're broken up. And they broke up because this one cheated on her with the one that she's with now. And, like, it's this weird love triangle stuff, and it's like, we can't do that deal. That's happened multiple times in the wnba. And that's something that you can't say about a lot of sports leagues across the world.

[Mike Ryan]

I know a coach who coaches over in Europe that has coached on the men's side and on the women's side. And I asked him what's the biggest difference between the sports? I asked him via proxy, and what got back to me was, well, in women's sports, you run into these interpersonal dynamics that don't really exist in men's because there are personal relationships that can get pretty complicated. And that was something that I had to learn coming over from the men's game.

[Mike Shay]

So in summation, as a front office guy, I'm always. There's nothing that eliminates a person like, oh, I can't take them, or whatever. But I have to know. I have to know. There are some players that like to be coached hard, right? Like Draymond Green. He wants you to yell at him. He wants you to cuss at him. He doesn't want you to be a soft players coach kind of guy. There are other guys. You yell at them, they tap out. That doesn't make one guy better than the other on that level. It just means I got to know how I address this one versus this one. Right? I got to know my personnel. Thank you so respectfully to Paige Beckers and Az Fudd. It is relevant because you do work together, and that part has an impact in the same way that all those other interpersonal relationships that aren't best friends or coworkers.

[Chris Whittingham]

You realize that what she's doing and setting the parameters now and now's not the time. Okay? That it matters, because once they go through some. I'm not even talking about relationship turbulence. I'm talking about team turbulence. It's fairly normal to ask two star players about what their relationship is. She's saying that's off limits now. A.J. brown just spent the whole season answering questions about where his relationship was with Jalen. Hurts like they're the stars of the team. In a league.

[Dan Le Batard]

League that.

[Chris Whittingham]

And in a sport, the traffic's on star power. We were just talking about. You can't get an OKC conversation going because we're obsessed with the personalities now. Put the personalities in a relationship. They're the centerpiece of your team. They're the foundation of your team. And when she says, we've been through this before. UConn ain't this. UConn isn't losing. Like, this is gonna lose. UConn's not gonna be in a bunch of close games that they lose. And the relationships are gonna be something that are asked about.

[Mike Shay]

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[Eric DaCosta]

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[Mike Shay]

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[Eric DaCosta]

Don lebatard.

[Mike Ryan]

Witty. We have a photo right here. If you can see in this photo with my daughter there I am pointing exactly to the point on the Stanley cup where it says, you suck ass, Stugats. Right there. Yeah, they got it engraved right there. It says, chris Whittingham sucks ass.

[Eric DaCosta]

This is the Dan Levatar show with the stugats.

[Greg Cody]

One of the things that I've learned about that league over the last couple years where they don't ne like, they don't want to be covered like the other big leagues, they want to be covered the way they want to be covered, and there's a major difference.

[Mike Ryan]

And there are some gatekeepers attached to the sport that, you know, rise up against people applying that kind of standard. I'm with you. There are certain times in sports where the inequality can shield you. This might be one of them.

[Dan Le Batard]

I will say. It's not like the NBA players haven't been incredibly vocally critical of the media in the way that they get covered. I think that that's a disingenuous argument to say that the WNBA is the one league where they have said, we want to be covered a certain way. It's just because we're now paying attention to them for the first time and want to cover them the way we want to cover them. And now we're hearing from them, no, don't cover us this way. And when it comes to this, like, I actually do think that that. That Paige and az are in a situation where, like, sure, talk about the relationship, but I think the point trying to be made yesterday is more like, hey, I'd prefer if after every game or after every practice, we're not asked about our relationship because it may not be relevant when the time comes down to it and things are falling apart and they've lost seven in a row. When you need to ask that question, that question does need to be asked.

[Mike Shay]

Look at us, man. Bunch of dudes. He figured out. Women's sports forum. Hell, yeah.

[Chris Whittingham]

You're welcome, ladies.

[Mike Shay]

Way to go high.

[Chris Whittingham]

Proud of us. No one can poke any holes in anything that we said.

[Mike Shay]

How about us?

[Chris Whittingham]

Men, men, men, men, men, men, men,

[Mike Shay]

men, men, men, men.

[Mike Ryan]

One way that men should be in women's sports.

[Chris Whittingham]

I'm an ally. Let's check in here with the NFL draft for a second. Greg Cody will be in here tomorrow to explain why he's already apologizing for his initial react. Am interested.

[Dan Le Batard]

But he saw some tape.

[Eric DaCosta]

Is that what it is?

[Dan Le Batard]

He didn't see tape before? And then he saw tape or he read somebody and said, yeah, no, it's

[Chris Whittingham]

actually pretty good tape of people saying that Proctor was a fine pick. And because he was surrounded by us and we were yelling about it, he got disoriented the way old people do when there's a lot of noise and commotion. And he had an instant reaction that he's ashamed of. So now he's apologized for it. So now he is secure in the knowledge that he can be wrong two different ways because he's had both opinions and he's gonna not be right about anything. But a number of things happened in the draft that were interesting. Some dude from Nigeria who doesn't play football was drafted.

[Dan Le Batard]

Have you seen that guy, by the way?

[Mike Ryan]

Yeah, that guy is stacked.

[Chris Whittingham]

Yeah. Yes, that's.

[Dan Le Batard]

That's how 6, 4, 300 pounds and he runs like a 4, 5.

[Chris Whittingham]

Tony, look. My God. You say, have you seen that guy? There was a guy drafted by the NFL who doesn't play football. I know he's stacked. You don't need to tell me Chris didn't know.

[Dan Le Batard]

Chris has no idea.

[Chris Whittingham]

I don't need to see him. I don't need to know anything. I just need to know the fact that he doesn't play football and he was drafted to play football.

[Mike Shay]

So you're telling me that he didn't look like Zaz is what you say you knew that immediately. You imagine if Zaz was the guy they drafted who had never played football.

[Dan Le Batard]

Rude thing to say about your boyfriend.

[Greg Cody]

I like, I like the idea of drafting guys who've never played football.

[Chris Whittingham]

They're all going to be athletically stats.

[Greg Cody]

That's like what round eight should be. They added eighth round.

[Chris Whittingham]

That is a good eighth round.

[Greg Cody]

And you just. You draft guys who've never played.

[Mike Ryan]

Some of them are hall of Fame tight ends.

[Chris Whittingham]

That. That would be a huge draft in Australia where they're watching Australian Rules Football and all their guys are getting drafted.

[Eric DaCosta]

Look at this guy.

[Greg Cody]

What did you watch that eighth round? It could be anybody.

[Chris Whittingham]

I could be sitting around watching. Holy shit.

[Dan Le Batard]

Athletes in other sports would not be you athletes in other sports, they might

[Mike Ryan]

pick me just to check the draft tally. Florida State, one player drafted. Guys who never played football from Africa, one player drafted.

[Chris Whittingham]

Can I get accurate stats on Mike Norvell? Because I saw some things making the rounds on Twitter saying that he hasn't had players drafted in the last six years in the first three rounds, but Keon Coleman was drafted in the first round, so that's not accurate.

[Mike Ryan]

Was a transfer, but yes.

[Chris Whittingham]

How bad. How bad are the Norvell numbers when it comes to FSU getting people drafted?

[Mike Ryan]

Believe this was the fourth time in seven years they've only had a player drafted in the NFL draft. That player Daryl Jackson, who spent some time down here at the University of Miami. There were two Florida Gator kickers selected in this draft. There was one Florida State Seminole, period, drafted.

[Chris Whittingham]

Who is Eric DaCosta talking to? The Ravens general manager.

[Dan Le Batard]

He's talking to Zion Young. They drafted him. And it was just. These are all over the Internet the last few days of these calls. You know, are you with your family? They're pretty standard. And this one was definitely one of the funnier ones.

[Eric DaCosta]

Hey, it's Eric. The costume. Let's get it, let's get it. I know you fired up. You excited. Let's get it. Let's get it. Let's get it. You're going to the team you wanted

[Chris Whittingham]

to go to, right?

[Eric DaCosta]

Let's get it. I know that. Get it. Let's get it. We're gonna get it. We're gonna get it. I know you want to get it, man. We're gonna get it. We're gonna get it. There ain't no secret what I'm gonna do. Let's get. You won't regret this, I promise you. Oh, I know that. I know that. I know that.

[Chris Whittingham]

The phone cord is not helping him at all here. DaCosta is having trouble with just handling the entirety of the situation. I want to play all of it again so that you can just see DaCosta's just general discomfort with.

[Dan Le Batard]

We're going to get it.

[Chris Whittingham]

How much younger the getting is than where he gets it.

[Eric DaCosta]

Hey, it's there at the costume. Let's get it. Let's get it. I know. Fired up. You excited. Let's get it. Let's get it. Let's get it going. You're going to the team you wanted

[Chris Whittingham]

to go to, right?

[Eric DaCosta]

Let's get it. I know that. Let's get it. Let's get it. We going to get it. We're going to get it. Know you want to get it, man. We're going to get it. We're going to get it. Ain't no secret what I'm going to do. Let's. You won't regret this. I. I promise you. Oh, I know that. I know that. I know that.

[Mike Shay]

I know that.

[Greg Cody]

I've secondhand embarrassed, man.

[Mike Shay]

You know what my favorite part is? My favorite part is after, like, the fifth let's get it, he looks off to someone off camera and he gives that fake smile like, I got this under control.

[Dan Le Batard]

Look at that. There it is.

[Mike Shay]

Yeah, it is great.

[Chris Whittingham]

Dacosta got bullied off of his power position. He started that call being the employer, and he left that call being demoted to somebody who works for Young.

[Mike Ryan]

Zion Young is skating a little bit.

[Chris Whittingham]

What do you mean skating? Fights.

[Dan Le Batard]

He didn't give him much.

[Mike Ryan]

He didn't give him not a lot to work with.

[Chris Whittingham]

I'm gonna count them.

[Mike Shay]

Let's get it.

[Chris Whittingham]

I'm gonna. Let's count them together. Play it one more time. And let's just count just from him, not both. Let's get it just from. And. And try to ignore the way that the cord on the phone makes a distracting sound.

[Mike Ryan]

I'm sorry, I can't.

[Eric DaCosta]

Hey, it's Eric, the costume. Let's get it. Let's get it. I know you fired up. You excited? Let's get it. It. Let's get it. Let's get it. You're going to the team you wanted

[Chris Whittingham]

to go to, right?

[Eric DaCosta]

Let's get it. I know. Let's get it. Let's get it. We're gonna get it. We're gonna get it. Know you want to get it, man. We're gonna get it. We're gonna get it. There ain't no secret what I'm gonna do. Let's. You won't regret this, I promise you. Oh, I know that. I know that. I know that.

[Chris Whittingham]

He already regrets it.

[Greg Cody]

Nine.

[Mike Shay]

No, ten. Let's get it. One. Let's do it. And then there was one where he was about to say, let's get it one more time, and he stopped.

[Dan Le Batard]

Let's get it.

[Mike Ryan]

Y.

[Eric DaCosta]

He.

[Chris Whittingham]

He said it nine and a half times.

[Mike Shay]

No, he said it ten times.

[Dan Le Batard]

Ten full times. And then there's a. Let's do it. And then there's a half. Let's get it. 10 and a half. Let's get. It's one.

[Chris Whittingham]

Let's do it. There was not 10.

[Dan Le Batard]

You're off. We all gotta count together.

[Eric DaCosta]

Hey, it's Eric. The Costume. Let's get it.

[Mike Shay]

One.

[Eric DaCosta]

Let's get it. I know you excited. Let's get it.

[Mike Shay]

3.

[Eric DaCosta]

Let's get it.

[Chris Whittingham]

4.

[Eric DaCosta]

Let's get it. Going to the team you want to go to, right? Let's get it.

[Mike Shay]

6.

[Eric DaCosta]

I know that.

[Mike Shay]

7.

[Eric DaCosta]

Let's get it.

[Mike Shay]

8.

[Eric DaCosta]

We're gonna get it. 9. Gonna get it. Oh, you want 10? You want to get it, man? We're gonna get it. Let's do it. Ain't no secret what I'm gonna do. You won't regret this.

[Mike Shay]

Let's give you all. I know that.

[Eric DaCosta]

I know that.

[Greg Cody]

I think it means right. I know that it was over 10. I know that.

[Chris Whittingham]

I know that the overrunner was.

[Mike Shay]

The overrunner was nine and a half.

[Greg Cody]

He hit the over because I missed the original. Ain't no secret. Let's get it. That was 10.

[Eric DaCosta]

Yeah.

[Chris Whittingham]

I thought he was still going to say some form of, you're not going to regret this decision. But the Costa was in the middle. His body language just went to hell. Like the start. It's.

[Dan Le Batard]

I'm the boss here.

[Chris Whittingham]

Let me talk about that.

[Mike Ryan]

Mugged.

[Chris Whittingham]

He really did, you know, with that

[Dan Le Batard]

Morgan, he was get it. Maxing

[Chris Whittingham]

the idea that Greg Cody would go from not liking the pick to apologizing for not liking the pick when nothing has changed over the last couple of days except for who he was surrounded by and what he was reading. Nothing has changed. And yet, because our reaction here when we did the Thursday Night Live livestream was to recoil because they took what can be seen as a guard instead of Reuben Bain, Greg Cody put his finger up, licked his finger, put it up in the air, and it blew a different way. And we were the ones objecting. But he wasn't reading other objections to people saying, yeah, that's a solid pick if you want somebody who's 350 pounds and might be very physically strong.

[Greg Cody]

I opened the door for him yesterday when I started the show asking, have we all calmed down with our reactions from the Dolphins first round. I was expecting, yeah, yeah, like we're not. We're not screaming about it anymore. But he took that as, yeah, I've actually apologized for my reaction.

[Mike Shay]

Yes, he was issuing a formal apology. Said he was going to put it in print.

[Chris Whittingham]

That's crazy. An apology.

[Greg Cody]

I was just asking, are we still yelling about it? He's like, no, no, I'm completely on the other side.

[Dan Le Batard]

Maybe Cody's are going to homer because I. I'm with my dad that I left that draft Thursday. Like my, my. I Have softened on how terrible that pick was. Clearly not like I. I know we're gonna act like we know. He could turn out to be a good guard if he's a good offensive line.

[Chris Whittingham]

Sentence is offensive.

[Dan Le Batard]

No, if Dan. It's not. If he's. If he's a perennial pro bowler.

[Mike Shay]

Listen.

[Chris Whittingham]

No, I'll give it right back to you.

[Dan Le Batard]

If he's a perennial pro bowler with

[Chris Whittingham]

the number 11 pick, I don't want to guard. I don't want to guard ever.

[Dan Le Batard]

I don't want a guard with 11.

[Chris Whittingham]

10th pick overall. I never won a guard. That's it.

[Mike Shay]

Going for two when you're up by five. Switching the zone when man isn't working. Oh, and building your new stadium in the state your team actually plays in. In sports, some things just make sense. You know what else makes sense? Drinking Jagermeister shots. Ice cold. Drinking it any other way would be like punting on first down or letting your worst hitter bat first are like going for two when you're down three with a second ago it wouldn't make any sense. So don't let the team down. When it comes to Jagermeister, drink it cold or don't drink it at all. Jagermeister. Damn, that's cold. Drink responsibly. Jagermeister liqueur. 35% alcohol by volume. Imported by Mast. Jagermeister US White Plains, New York.

[Dan Le Batard]

You tell yourself no one wants your

[Mike Ryan]

college era band tees.

[Dan Le Batard]

But on Depop, people are searching for exactly what you've got. You once paid a small fortune for

[Mike Ryan]

them at merch stands. Now a teenager who calls them vintage

[Dan Le Batard]

will offer that same small fortune back.

[Mike Ryan]

Sell them easily on Depop. Just snap a few photos and we'll take care of the rest.

[Dan Le Batard]

Who knew your questionable music taste would

[Mike Ryan]

be a money making machine.

[Dan Le Batard]

Your style can make you cash. Start selling on Depop, where taste recognizes taste.

[Eric DaCosta]

Don Lebatard.

[Dan Le Batard]

Alright, we gotta go back out there. That was big. Wake him up.

[Chris Whittingham]

Uh oh. He doesn't want. He doesn't want to be bothered anymore. Now it's getting tense because he didn't need that. As a result, he needs something that happens.

[Dan Le Batard]

You can see Mother effing.

[Chris Whittingham]

Can we bother?

[Dan Le Batard]

Are we bothering you right now?

[Chris Whittingham]

Turn on your microphone.

[Dan Le Batard]

My microphone's on St.

[Mike Shay]

Paint the scene.

[Dan Le Batard]

The paint the scene is.

[Eric DaCosta]

I got to go to work. Good night. This is the D. Levatar show with the St.

[Mike Shay]

You guys not paying attention to what the story is? The story isn't. Should they have taken this kid or that kid? The story Is Greg Cody is apologizing in print. The man who never apologizes is going to write a column apologizing.

[Chris Whittingham]

What has happened here is the Cody's and this is how they can be pushed around. Not unlike Eric DaCosta, the Cody's just heard the Dolphins talk for a while and their whole hope springs so eternal that anyone can give them fuel for it. And now they doubt their original conviction on these people who have run this franchise into the ground for the last 25 years. Get it wrong all the time with all of the offensive linemen that they draft that never can block anybody.

[Dan Le Batard]

I don't want to get defensive, but this isn't the Dolphins. I'm listening. Talk about this. This is other people who have like

[Chris Whittingham]

more knowledge about giant strong man who if he can get his food intake control. Nick Saban doesn't know if he can said it's manageable.

[Dan Le Batard]

He said that? Exactly.

[Mike Ryan]

The Saban thing is forget like what I'm doing is a Florida State thing and how he looked there. But what Saban did.

[Dan Le Batard]

Saban had him for one year when he was 18 years old as a freshman.

[Greg Cody]

All right, but you say that like Saban is not still living in Tuscaloosa and totally knows what goes on in that program. It's not like removed. He knows he's there.

[Chris Whittingham]

Pat Riley also gave you what our draft expert Brooks Austin told you that when you're watching the film, what you

[Dan Le Batard]

see is this happen a lot.

[Chris Whittingham]

That's what he said. Said. Said he's big and strong, but if he doesn't get his hands on, he's just going to miss.

[Dan Le Batard]

When you got the full draft like the consent. You even said it the full draft. The Dolphins did a good job.

[Greg Cody]

I think so.

[Dan Le Batard]

I don't think like we're going to do this thing where we know what Proctor is. We don't know. And Chris, that has no bearing on the first pick going from. From, you know, potentially getting a hometown guy like Room Bay who looks like an absolute dog. And then you get Kaden Proctor who's got so many things.

[Mike Ryan]

But that's the thing that shouldn't have bearing on the evaluation of the pick. And unfortunately the reaction is outsized because of who specifically was available.

[Dan Le Batard]

That's fair. That is fair.

[Mike Shay]

The man who never apologizes.

[Dan Le Batard]

That is crazy.

[Mike Shay]

Is writing an apology column. You guys are focused on the wrong thing.

[Chris Whittingham]

Chris Cody is sitting here saying we don't know what he is. And I do know what he is. He's a guard.

[Mike Ryan]

What. What he is is Not Reuben.

[Dan Le Batard]

Could be our right tackle dude. Austin Jackson is hurt every other day.

[Mike Ryan]

If Ruben Bane was picked before, I do think the reaction to it would be different.

[Greg Cody]

It would be very different.

[Dan Le Batard]

Like he was projected to go like two picks later. It wasn't like it was this guy was going to go second round.

[Mike Ryan]

Brook's opinion would remain Nick Saban. What he said would remain. The memories of what happened in that Florida State game would remain. But we removed the Ruben Bane element from this and it is viewed differently.

[Dan Le Batard]

But when you get to call the left side of that offensive line the law firm of Procter and Paul, that's going to feel real good.

[Chris Whittingham]

I don't want a law firm protecting my quarterback anyway. Outside of Court and Brewer, a few

[Dan Le Batard]

different franchise centers might.

[Chris Whittingham]

Let me hear the live reaction. This is why it is that Greg Cody was influenced by us. This was during our livestream and this is how it went down. After the trade with the Dallas Cowboys. The Miami Dolphins select Kaden Proctor, The

[Mike Ryan]

guy that Brooks identified as the the

[Dan Le Batard]

bust 354 pound bus.

[Mike Ryan]

You had Reuben Bain on the board.

[Dan Le Batard]

Let's go to the historian.

[Chris Whittingham]

The only guy, the injury fella said, I don't want to watch any more tape. I'm disgusted by it.

[Mike Ryan]

I gotta hear.

[Chris Whittingham]

I gotta watch any more of this.

[Mike Ryan]

Gotta hear Greg Cody's take on this because they had Reuben Bane available there for them and they take Kate.

[Chris Whittingham]

You've gotta be me. Let's go out to look at Nick Wright laughing at us. You gotta be me. We've got the Dolphin legendary columnist. Yeah, we've got the injury fella here. That's so sad. He's disgusted by his team. Dzek is laughing at us. Nick Wright is laughing at us. You felt the feeling of being laughed at because of your draft pick and you thought it was echoing throughout the nation. But it was just a regional sound. It was just a little regional sound because we have an affection for a pass rusher. So someone who makes plays, someone who if I'm picking in the top 11, touches the football once in a while.

[Dan Le Batard]

I'm with you.

[Chris Whittingham]

Give me a player.

[Dan Le Batard]

Proctor, I think caught a couple screens for Alabama.

[Chris Whittingham]

You're right. He did one of those

[Greg Cody]

seem Tom

[Mike Ryan]

Gadget lineman Zion Young did get it less against Proctor.

[Chris Whittingham]

It's a gadget lineman. That's exactly right. They did. They threw him a bubble screen. And it was amazing that all of college football laugh because a fat guy was running with the football. The biggest guy.

[Mike Shay]

He.

[Chris Whittingham]

He's about as big as anyone who was playing in Division 1A. And again, the fact that Saban said these are not. This is not the phrase you want to hear on a national program. It's not in private. He's on a microphone talking publicly. And what does he say of your number 11 pick? Not a self starter.

[Dan Le Batard]

And then he said it's manageable.

[Greg Cody]

All right. Yes, but it's like it's Nick, we're helping, by the way.

[Dan Le Batard]

He's gonna be super motivated.

[Chris Whittingham]

That's not manageable. Not a self starter. Doesn't self start like it needs itself?

[Dan Le Batard]

But your help. You're starting him right now.

[Chris Whittingham]

It needs help.

[Dan Le Batard]

No inspiration.

[Chris Whittingham]

Nope. Not a self starter. Doesn't get help on self starting.

[Mike Shay]

The man who never apologizes is penning an apology column.

[Chris Whittingham]

We're going to talk to him tomorrow about this. Cade Cunningham should pen one of those for the Detroit Free Press.

[Dan Le Batard]

Poor guy. Poor guy. He's doing everything himself. Poor guy. He passed. He passed the ball to Jenkins and Jenkins like.

[Paige Beckers]

I don't know.

[Dan Le Batard]

I don't know what to do with it during. Where's Durham been all week?

[Chris Whittingham]

It's bad.

[Dan Le Batard]

That's terrible.

[Mike Shay]

That's tough for Duran though, man. He's. You want to talk about interpersonal relationships, man, when your ex is posting video of you getting dunked on, that's.

[Chris Whittingham]

That's fired up. How about that?

[Dan Le Batard]

How about that? Wendell Carter, please, of all people, give me a break. Wendell Carter sounds dominating him.

[Mike Ryan]

Jalen Duran, come on.

[Dan Le Batard]

People voted for you for most improved.

[Eric DaCosta]

Okay.

[Chris Whittingham]

An old star.

[Mike Ryan]

I mean, what. What do you make of. I mean, before this happened, it was warriors against Dallas. You would never see these kind of upsets. And before then it was five game series. I know Covid was certainly. It certainly had an impact on these things. And you can't remove that from the equation when you talk about the other upsets. But is this the new norm in this sport where you can't be guaranteed out of the first round if you're the number one seed?

[Mike Shay]

The three point shooting has absolutely flattened what used to be an insurmountable gap. All I got to do is get hot from three and I'm in it. I've got a shot. That's one number two, and I've talked about this a lot, the one and two seeds are the least advantaged teams in the entire sport entering the playoffs because everyone else has a week to prepare.

[Greg Cody]

That's what I've been saying.

[Mike Shay]

You ain't never said that.

[Greg Cody]

Yeah, it said several times.

[Dan Le Batard]

I never heard you say that, man.

[Greg Cody]

Don't say that about me.

[Mike Shay]

But yeah. So you have to wait basically until Friday or Thursday or Friday to find out who you're going to play. And the wild thing is the two seed actually knows who they get to play before the one seed does. The one seed is the least prepared team in terms of knowing. Now what ends up happening is they just watch tape of all the teams. The poor video coordinators are making these books that are never going to get seen or watched for teams that they won't play. But everyone else. Your three seed knows there's a six seed the Sunday before, right? The four seed knows who's the five seed the Sunday before. The two seed finds out on Tuesday or Wednesday who they're going to play.

[Chris Whittingham]

But it shouldn't matter. It should look like what OKC just did to the Suns. It wouldn't have mattered who was in the first round for okc. They would have dusted anybody among that.

[Mike Ryan]

And we look, Miami sold a game from Boston early on because they seized on that. But now we're four games in to this series. So like this goes beyond prep.

[Mike Shay]

I'm not answering the question about the Pistons specifically. You asked me a question, Macro. These upsets are happening more and I'm trying to get you some of the factors. This one specifically, I told y' all months ago, they don't shoot free throw, they don't shoot threes. They're not a good free throw shooting team. They turn it over a lot. And all of their offense comes from one guy creating for everybody. If you give a good coaching staff and a reasonably talented team enough time to just watch and plot, they can have all these trigger points. It's like the Death Star having that one exhaust point, except give them four or five exhaust ports where we could throw a bomb down there.

[Chris Whittingham]

Orlando's defense presents a certain set of problems, but also what Detroit was trying to do in the modern age isn't being really tried by anybody else, which is we're going to beat you by being more physical than you are. Like that's our whole thing is going to be physical. It's not going to be shooting well. It's not going to be defense with offense. It's going to be we're going to get beaten by a team that's shooting 30% because we can't make anything.

[Dan Le Batard]

Zaz fired Jamal Mosley the Wednesday between the play in games I did.

[Mike Ryan]

I'm also not watching All 82, but you're counting on Tobias Harris and Duncan Robinson in the playoffs and I Do know that that's flawed?

[Chris Whittingham]

No, but they were counting on Isaiah Stewart during the playoffs. Like they're counting on physical Dan.

[Mike Shay]

You say they're trying to do it a different way. I think they're just trying to do it the way that they have. They. If they could shoot better, of course they'd want to shoot better. Of course they want that. They went and got Kevin Herder at the trade line because they wanted to add shooting. It's not like a conscious decision like shooting Shaw. It's just like, this is the collection of talent that we have. Let's try and win the best way we can. But of course they want shooting. Of course they want to be able to take care of the ball. Of course they'd love another playmaker outside of Kate Cunningham. The reality is they don't have those things, and that's good. In a regular season where I play today, and then tomorrow I'm playing Milwaukee, and that day after that I'm playing Indiana. But in a situation where I have to have days upon days and there's limited travel and no back to backs, and all I do is watch film of you and all your weaknesses and say, I can exploit that, it's a lot tougher to overcome.

[Dan Le Batard]

Reality is, the Pistons got a rocket ship in Cade Cunningham this year. Followed him with a ton of flaws. Ended up being the number one seed in the kind of down Eastern Conference. Everybody's like, all right, I guess this team is good. And it's like, no, Cade is really good. The problem is he's surrounded by a lot of guys that don't really help him.

[Mike Shay]

I got to give them credit. When Cade was out, everyone thought it

[Greg Cody]

was going to collapse.

[Mike Shay]

They stepped up, they played well. So it's. Again, part of this also is the thing that Dan hates when I bring it up, but it's real. These guys, it's not their first time at the rodeo, but it's like their second time at the rodeo. Yeah, but your six strong games against the Knicks does not equal. I got this playoff thing for you.

[Chris Whittingham]

But if I had to make you guess, though, and say, is this about Cade Cunningham not having experience, or is this a lung collapse that has 24 turnovers in three games? Like, you had to choose one. You had to choose one and be right. Which one do you think you'd go with?

[Greg Cody]

The former. I think it's a former.

[Chris Whittingham]

A lack of experience.

[Greg Cody]

23 turnovers in three games.

[Chris Whittingham]

Yeah, I lung collapsed. Coming back fast from a lung collapsing.

[Dan Le Batard]

I don't make you pass the ball back.

[Chris Whittingham]

They turn over the ball. They turn over the ball a lot. They don't turn it over the way he's turning it over. On three, on one breaks, on three, on one breaks where he's throwing it at the knees of his, of his teammates.

[Mike Shay]

It absolutely must play a role. He's not 100%. Having said that, it ain't the reason.

[Eric DaCosta]

Let's get it.

[Mike Ryan]

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