Postgame Show: HE'S ON DRUGS!

Summary

Summary of "Postgame Show: HE'S ON DRUGS!" – The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz

Episode Details:

• Title: Postgame Show: HE'S ON DRUGS!
• Release Date: December 6, 2024
• Hosts: Dan Le Batard, Stugotz, Tony, Uli, Hugo, Jessica, Mike

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1. Reconnecting at Palacio Jugo (00:48 - 01:03)

The episode kicks off with Tony meeting Uli at the renowned Miami establishment, Palacio Jugo. They engage in a friendly exchange while ordering food, setting the stage for a candid conversation about their lives and experiences in Miami.

• Tony: "[00:48] All right, we're on Bird Road at the Miami famous Palacio Jugo..."

2. Miami’s Unique Melting Pot (01:03 - 01:21)

Uli shares his affection for Miami, highlighting its diversity and the opportunities it offers for personal growth.

• Uli: "[01:11] Miami is a special place, man. It's a melting pot. All different types of people from all different types of the world."

3. Uli’s Challenging Journey: From Military to Prison (01:21 - 02:02)

Uli delves into his tumultuous past, discussing his early enlistment in the military, subsequent troubles leading to prison, and his experiences traveling the world with Pitbull as his security.

• Uli: "[01:30] I joined the military when I was 18, got in trouble, got kicked out of the military at 19, put myself in prison..."

4. Finding Structure Through Combat Sports (02:02 - 03:19)

Transitioning from his past struggles, Uli explains how returning to the Fifth Street Gym provided him with the structure and accountability he needed, transforming his approach to life and conflict.

• Uli: "[02:43] The gym made me accountable whenever I was missing. Being in the gym every day, working my butt off for hours gave me consistency."

5. Impact of Discipline on Personal Growth (03:19 - 04:01)

Tony and Uli discuss how the discipline learned in the gym parallels the structure of military and prison life, fostering a more controlled and analytical approach to challenges.

• Uli: "[03:19] The more badass you are, the more reserved you are on the street..."

6. Mentorship and Lasting Connections (04:01 - 04:26)

Uli reflects on the mentorship he received while in prison, particularly his friendship with Jose Garte, and how it influenced his aspiration to become a professional fighter after his release.

• Uli: "[04:01] There was a guy who came in. His name is Jose Garte. I still speak to him today."

7. Tony’s Journey into Fatherhood and Shared Struggles (04:26 - 07:52)

Tony opens up about his impending fatherhood and shares his personal battle with cancer, having survived stage four Hodgkin's lymphoma twice. This deeply resonates with Uli, who shares the harrowing experience of his son's battle with a cancerous femur tumor.

• Uli: "[05:17] Not all heroes wear capes, man. And those are those. Those ladies and those men that were there."
• Tony: "[06:25] At five years old, I was diagnosed with stage four Hodgkin's lymphoma..."

8. Strength Through Adversity (07:52 - 09:43)

Both hosts emphasize the profound impact of their personal hardships on their perspectives on life and parenting. Uli highlights the resilience his son showed during his illness, while Tony draws parallels between his experiences and his parents' strength.

• Uli: "[05:17] Badasses. Heroes. Not all heroes wear capes..."
• Tony: "[07:18] On my lymph node...

9. Celebrating Resilience and Family Support (09:43 - 11:03)

The conversation shifts to celebrating personal achievements and the unwavering support from family. Uli praises his mother's influence and the importance of having strong familial bonds, while Tony shares plans for upcoming events and community gatherings.

• Uli: "[08:22] Losing a little weight. So it's a little sauna workout for me..."
• Tony: "[10:27] How does that feel?... Represent Miami."

10. Representing Miami in Combat Sports (11:03 - 12:34)

Uli and Tony discuss their roles in the Miami combat sports scene, mentioning influential figures like Kimbo and Dada, and highlighting the vibrant community that supports their endeavors. They also touch upon upcoming live events to engage with fans and the local community.

• Uli: "[09:54] I have the fastest knockout in combat sports history..."
• Tony: "[12:33] We are going to be live at Kasatiki, the number one bar in the world for Christmas."

11. Contemplating Aaron Rodgers' Netflix Documentary (12:34 - 20:15)

The discussion takes a critical turn towards Aaron Rodgers' upcoming Netflix documentary, "Enigma." The hosts analyze the portrayal of Rodgers' personal life, relationships, and alleged drug use. They debate the authenticity and intentions behind the documentary, reflecting on Rodgers' recent career struggles and personal challenges.

• Jessica: "[13:34] He’s doing drugs, and we are."
• Dan: "[14:22] I think there's something admirable in him still..."
• Mike: "[16:45] I'm curious... How honest will they be about his involvement..."
• Dan: "[17:39] I felt like I lost my soul, myself, my happiness..."

12. Debating Media Portrayals and Public Perception (20:15 - 21:02)

The conversation deepens as the hosts debate the ethical implications of media portrayals by figures like Aaron Rodgers. They discuss the pressures faced by aging athletes, the stigma surrounding mental health and substance use, and the responsibility of public figures to be honest about their struggles.

• Dan: "[20:08] Isn't it a white privilege that he can just openly be doing this..."
• Hugo: "[20:23] I don't. What I don't like is 40-year-old football players..."

13. Closing Remarks and Final Thoughts (21:02 - 21:08)

The episode wraps up with final reflections on the topics discussed, underscoring the complexity of public personas and the importance of understanding the multidimensional aspects of individuals like Aaron Rodgers.

• Dan: "[21:02] ...has been my best opportunity to understand what happened..."

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Key Takeaways:

• Personal Resilience: Both Uli and Tony share profound personal journeys, emphasizing resilience through military service, imprisonment, and battling cancer.
• Family and Mentorship: The importance of family support and mentorship emerges as a central theme, highlighting how these relationships shape one's path.
• Community Engagement: Representing Miami's diverse and vibrant community in combat sports is a source of pride and motivation for the hosts.
• Media Influence: A critical examination of Aaron Rodgers' representation in media showcases the complexities of public figures dealing with personal struggles.
• Mental Health Awareness: The episode underscores the significance of mental health and the nuanced challenges faced by athletes and public personalities.

Notable Quotes:

• Uli on Miami’s Diversity: "[01:11] Miami is a special place, man. It's a melting pot..."
• Uli on Combat Sports: "[02:43] Being in the gym every day, working my butt off for hours gave me consistency."
• Tony on Fatherhood: "[04:26] The toughest part that I've gone through with that is my son..."
• Uli on Family Support: "[08:56] She's my best friend. She’s everything..."
• Dan on Aaron Rodgers Documentary: "[14:22] I think there's something admirable in him still..."

This episode of "The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz" offers a deep dive into personal struggles, the importance of community and family, and a critical look at media portrayals of public figures. It blends heartfelt personal stories with sharp commentary on current sports narratives, making it both engaging and insightful for listeners.

Transcript

[Mike]

You're listening to DraftKings Network.

[Dan]

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[Tony]

All right, we're on Bird Road at the Miami famous Palacio Jugo, and, you know, we had to come through and get the good stuff. I'm here with Uli. Let's order some real quick. Okay. Parami una colas y puede. When was the last time you had a huge.

[Uli]

It's been a while. I'm gonna enjoy this. Gracia.

[Tony]

Gracia. Uli, what makes Miami so special?

[Uli]

The melon juice. Now, Miami is a special place, man. It's a melting pot. All different types of people from all different types of the world. I think it's a great place to grow up. Truly great place to be.

[Tony]

We're both born and raised in Miami. 305 kids. You're 10 years older than I am. So you got to experience a bit of a different Miami growing up than I did.

[Uli]

Yeah.

[Tony]

What are the memories that kind of made you.

[Uli]

I joined the military when I was 18, got in trouble, got kicked out of the military at 19, put myself in prison as a young man. It was always for fighting on the street. I started traveling the world with Pitbull. You know, Pitbull is my brother. I grew up with him. He was already taking off his trajectory, going up in his. In his career. So he took me around the world with him being his security, but just got myself back into bad situations and started doing the wrong thing again. And you get lost in that, man. And, you know, in the blink of an eye, here you go from 25 to 35.

[Tony]

You know what taught you more, the military or prison?

[Uli]

In the military, I got in at a real young age. It did give me a sense of structure where you had to be at certain places on time. Everything had to be organized, and everything that comes with the military. And then once I got to prison, it's kind of the same concept. If you're not on time, you miss it, whether it's meals or classes or anything you got to do. And the thing that prison gives you, that it's hard to find in the outside world is that, you know, you're in there with a ton of people that are going through a hard time in their life. So you pick up this psychology, you kind of figure out how to flow in conversations and with different people in different situations.

[Tony]

How did that transition into the structure of combat sports, whether it be boxing, mma, whatever that, you know, you've done.

[Uli]

Went back to Fifth Street Gym, which is my gym. I was with those guys since they opened back in like 2011, and they took me in with open arms. They made me accountable whenever I was missing. If I would miss a day at the gym, they called me because they knew where I was coming from. They didn't want me to step back into it. So, like, yo, where you at? Where you at? Being in the gym every day, working my butt off for hours gave me consistency, and consistency opened many doors for me. You know, if something happens on the street, where before I used to let my temper kind of take over, now with all my training, I kind of take a step back, analyze the situation, and move forward accordingly. You know, it's almost like the more.

[Tony]

Badass you are, the more reserved you are on the street because, you know, like, in 2 sec, in 3 seconds, get me over.

[Uli]

Exactly, exactly, exactly.

[Tony]

But my bad that we brought you to the sun right now, like, can we get Becky? Can we get some.

[Uli]

Thank you, Becky. For my boy four round sparring here with me. Verbally. Verbal sparring. I didn't know Palacio was a son. Going the hell out of.

[Dan]

It's so hot.

[Tony]

I don't even know what I'm talking about. The fans in prison, did you have somebody kind of showing you the ropes? A teacher, a mentor, somebody like that?

[Uli]

Six months in, there was a guy who came in. His name is Jose Garte. I still speak to him today. I've been out of prison now almost 20 years, and I still speak to him almost every day. He's still in. He's been in now 41 years in prison.

[Tony]

Really?

[Uli]

So, yeah, it puts a huge perspective on life, you know, and me and him would have conversations about me becoming a professional fighter. You know, when I got out, we had these dreams. We still talk about it to this day. He's my biggest fan. As I came out, I was still a young man. I was trying to figure out how to. I had kids. I was married at the time. I was trying to figure out how to feed my family, and all I knew was the streets. So I ended up going back to what I knew.

[Tony]

I'm getting to this interesting part of my life where I'm going to be a dad, right? My wife's pregnant. She's going to be doing in December of this Coming year. And it's like all the things that I thought about parenthood, like seeing from my parents and the people around me and stuff, it's totally different when you realize now you're up to bat and you have to take care of that kid. What was the toughest part about becoming a dad and things that you've gone through in your life with your kids?

[Uli]

Okay, so first off, congratulations on you having a baby. It's a great age to have a kid is early 30s. You know, the toughest part that I've gone through with that is my son. Last year, when he turned 10 years old, they found a tumor in his femur bone. It was a cancerous tumor. That was March of last year. So we spent all of last year in Miami Children's Hospital. Nicholas Children's Hospital. Shout out to them. Shout out to all the nurses at the sixth tower.

[Jessica]

Yeah.

[Uli]

Badasses. Heroes. Not all heroes wear capes, man. And those are those. Those ladies and those men that were there. Exactly, exactly. Again, I believe in God. I was asking God to give me my son's sickness, you know, and it didn't happen that way. My son took it at 10 years old, went through, you know, in total, like 28 weeks of chemo surgery to remove his femur bone and put a new one in. He's back. He's, you know, he's back walking, he's back kicking ass. He's an incredible kid. He has become my hero, you know, he's in my corner in every fight. He's my coach, man. That, to me, was the toughest part of being a parent, was when, you know, it's easy to be a parent when your kids are good and everything's going healthy and everything's fine. When your kid's sick, man, and it's. His life is on the line, man, he's really fighting for his life. He's hooked up to machines for 24 hours a day for weeks at a time. It really puts a perspective on life, man, and it makes you be thankful, grateful, man, and really, you know, appreciate everything you have and the people around you that really care.

[Tony]

We have a lot more in common than, you know. So I, at five years old, was diagnosed with stage four Hodgkin's lymphoma.

[Uli]

Wow.

[Tony]

Yeah. And I went through the same thing. I was hooked up as a 5 year old kid for 28 rounds of chemo. The same thing. And when I see my parents, right? And now I'm gonna be a parent. So I think at this unborn little baby inside my wife's stomach. And I'm like, if I had to go through what my parents went through with me, I don't know how I would do it. It's like the strength that my parents showed kind of set me up for life because I was a cancer survivor at 5 and then I got it again at 28. So I'm a two time cancer survivor. So it's like when you go through those things at different ages, it builds a perspective of. As a kid, I didn't know what was happening. Right. We were just going to the hospital. I had a tune. I don't know if you can see it right here. I have a scar somewhere around here, right. I had a tumor like that.

[Jessica]

Oh.

[Tony]

On my lymph node.

[Uli]

Wow. And you have the port and everything as well.

[Tony]

I'll show you the scar.

[Uli]

Yeah. My son has to say, it's the car right here.

[Tony]

So at five years old, you don't know what's going on. You're a kid, you're like, hey, why are we going to this hospital? Smells weird. I have to be hooked up to machines. Like I don't really know what's. What's happening. And for me, my parents were such a, such a blessing. I hope that I can emulate a percentage of the strength that they had. Because for you, like being a tough fighter, being all these things, feeling helpless, completely helpless when it comes to your kid and something that you care so much about is just inspirational, bro.

[Uli]

So it's like, thank you.

[Tony]

It's crazy.

[Uli]

Thank you. Congratulations on being canceled twice. Let me tell you from a firsthand perspective, man. Congratulations. That's amazing. You never know how strong you are till you are in those situations. You can't be crying around your kid or whining or your kid can't see you weak because you're trying to.

[Tony]

That sets the table for them.

[Uli]

That sets the table. You're trying to get him strong mentally, physically. So with cancer and things like that, it's really. You're stepping into the unknown. You know what I mean? You could be good one day and the next day you're terrible. And it's, it's, you know, it's a crazy situation to be in.

[Tony]

We feel like rotisserie chickens in here.

[Uli]

Yeah, this is actually good for me because I gotta fight next week.

[Tony]

I was gonna say you're losing a little weight before the week.

[Uli]

Yeah, losing a little weight. So it's a little sauna workout for me. Like, this guy's already fought three Rounds. My mom's been the biggest inspiration for me. You know, my mom's a person. God, she's always trying to put me into church, you know, she's still in church to this day. She's an ordained minister. She's always preaching over me first. The first text I get in the morning is my mom's prayers.

[Tony]

Yeah.

[Uli]

So it's really been a blessing to have my mom in my corner, you know, my whole life, me and my mom, she's everything. She's everything me and my mama told about me. So it's amazing to have a mom like mine. She's my best friend. She's, you know, and at the end of the day, nothing beats experience, you know, And I didn't know that. She's had a bunch of experiences with me, so now I can tell my son. You know, I know about gangs. I know about prison. I know about doing crime. I know about getting caught and getting away. I know the repercussions that this has on your life in the long run.

[Tony]

The Mount Rushmore of Miami Fighters. You ready, Kimbo? Dada? You, George?

[Uli]

Thank you so much for putting him on that round. Rushmore, man.

[Tony]

And I'm not blowing smoke up your ass. I'm being honest, bro.

[Uli]

You know what's badass about that Mount Rushmore is that me and George both have the fastest knockouts. Yeah, he has the one in usc. I have the fastest knockout in combat sports history. So it's awesome to represent Miami with that. You know, Kimball was a character. He was, you know, big, crazy looking dude that was like, damn, this guy's fighting in the backyard. Data brought the hype of the backyard to the world. You know, Businessman. He's. I call him Don Dada. He's like Don King, you know, he's the biggest promoter for. For the fights.

[Tony]

Congrats to you, bro. Married again, WWE star. How does that feel?

[Uli]

I couldn't ask for a better partner in life, man. It's just.

[Tony]

You see her up there on the screen. How does that make you feel?

[Uli]

Oh, man, it's great, man. She just won the belt in Australia, just fought for the belt in Montreal for tna. She comes home, we got belts at the house, we got pictures of belts at the house. Pictures of us with our ass kicked or kicking ass, you know, and it's. It's. It's great, man. I couldn't ask for a better person in life, honestly. Thank you for helping me lose weight today at this interview.

[Tony]

Exactly.

[Uli]

It's great to have this interview here in Palacio.

[Jessica]

Hugo, come on, man.

[Tony]

Represent Miami, bro. That's what I want to do here.

[Uli]

Represent Miami. It's a staple in Miami. You know, they've opened up so many locations now. So it's awesome to do this here. Not in a gym where it's, you know, it's basic now. It's out here having a real conversation.

[Tony]

With the people, baby.

[Uli]

Yeah. I appreciate you, brother. Thank you, bro.

[Tony]

Miente, thank you for watching Tony tonight.

[Jessica]

That is a deep Miami cut right there. I've been proud to see how Tony has hustled his way into creating some of his own things that you can share with him on Saturday at his MMA hangout. And while I want to celebrate and compliment you for sharing your vulnerability with us and the touching parts of this story, I wasn't listening at all after I saw the word chicharron on the screen. And I just got distracted because fried pork. I see that, you guys. Mike wasn't working on Fridays before now. Mike all of a sudden is coming in because he wants the fried pork. And I saw you guys the other day, we're doing just bacon sandwiches. Just straight bacon sandwiches. I'm like, I've never even heard of such a thing where it's just bread and bacon.

[Dan]

It's just a b.

[Jessica]

You're in agreement with me that the chicharron Fridays seem to be very popular around here, where it's just fried pork out there for breakfast. And cheese. There's cheese out there, too.

[Uli]

It's squeaky cheese.

[Dan]

Chicharron's keto friendly. I'm here on Fridays because of Andrew Hawkins.

[Tony]

Yeah.

[Mike]

And he's not here for the cheese.

[Hugo]

I am not here for the cheese. Thank you, Jessica. Fried pork. I'm down with that.

[Jessica]

Chicharron is delightful. What are you doing on Saturday, Tony? It's tomorrow night. Tell the people again so they can come join you because you get into those Miami crevices.

[Tony]

Yeah, Dan. We are going to be live at Kasatiki, the number one bar in the world for Christmas. Festive Christmas themed right now.

[Dan]

Michael.

[Tony]

Probably be out there.

[Dan]

I'll be out there.

[Tony]

Most of the team will be out there. We'll be starting off the show at 10 o'clock for UFC 310, which is stacked top to bottom as usual. Come hang out with us. The drinks are awesome. Miracle on kayocho at Kasatiki. UFC 310 MMA Hangout presented by Cuervo.

[Jessica]

I wanted to ask you guys and ask video to get for me the Netflix thing that we were all Laughing about the preview that came out of Enigma, the Aaron Rodgers story. But I also wanted to ask you about the story, if you guys could get me the crediting on this. I don't know who Shailene Woodley told this to because initially she said she didn't want to talk at all about her relationship, Aaron Rodgers, because it always makes her cry. And then the subsequent reporting I saw on that has her calling that relationship traumatic and toxic, which wasn't the way I was thinking of it when she initially said that the relationship makes her cry. So I am curious what you guys think also of this preview that everyone was making fun of because this.

[Dan]

People were making fun of this trailer.

[Mike]

Oh, yeah.

[Dan]

Really? I wanted to see it. I understand why people. Now that I talk it out, I understand why people are gonna make fun of it.

[Mike]

It's called Enigma, dude.

[Dan]

I read an entire book trying to learn more about Aaron Rodgers because I do think that he's an interesting case study. You can debate whether or not he's interesting. I think he's had a fascinating career with a lot of twists and turns. And more recently, I have a bunch of questions. He doesn't seem to want to give me answers with his media availabilities all that much. He just really likes to revel in the fact that I don't know the truth. So this is your truth. I'm gonna. I'm gonna watch it. It looks super interesting. It looks like he has let them get into every aspect of his life. So I'm fascinated by this.

[Jessica]

He's doing drugs, and we are.

[Tony]

That's.

[Hugo]

Yes, he's doing drugs.

[Dan]

He's on crack, I imagine. I imagine. Who was on crack.

[Tony]

I imagine he agreed to this when he thought this season was gonna go well.

[Uli]

He's gonna be like, we're gonna be in the playoffs.

[Tony]

People are gonna want to watch a doc about me. And now it's just. He's bad. And it's just this. This doesn. Same as they were like 10 and 3.

[Dan]

I think there's something admirable. I'm sorry to cut you off. I think there's something admirable in him still, like, allowing it. Like he. You can seize on certain immaturities in his career and his life very much right now seems like a work in progress. I think you can afford him the ability to. To work it out, provided he does so responsibly with some of his platforms, and you can certainly have a go at him for that stuff. But I'm in on this. And this looks really well made. And it looks like a view of a star quarterback, one of the greatest to ever play still in his career, by the way, that we've never had before.

[Hugo]

This is like if the last dance was Michael Jordan with the Wizards. This is what this feels like. They're three and nine.

[Dan]

That was a much better way to describe it than he's on drugs.

[Jessica]

Well, the other way that I was going to describe it is you might be interested in the movie, but this, for all the weirdness around Aaron Rodgers, ex girlfriend, saying, traumatic and toxic. We don't have that. I haven't seen that one.

[Dan]

Like, I've actually, when it comes to him, especially if you read the book, like, you know, like the Olivia Munn thing, like, I don't like to get in too much into people's personal lives, but it's a thing. It's a thing with him and people are fascinated. He's dated a lot of stars.

[Mike]

I don't think you have to feel bad for that. If he's making a Netflix documentary about his life, I don't think you have to be like, I don't want to get into his personal life. If he's like, here's my personal life. This is the stuff that I'm into right now.

[Dan]

Fair enough.

[Hugo]

Yeah.

[Jessica]

I don't know that there's going to be a lot of this in there. Like, it's going to be an all access look. And I don't think there's going to be a lot of whatever it is that she's talking about here.

[Mike]

I doubt that because he's clearly, like, very involved in the production of the Netflix show. But to your point, if you take out all of his, like, conspiracy theories and all the terrible things that he said from, like, a football redemption standpoint, like, we already know what's happened this year. We already know that, like, the jets thing has been a complete failure. So I'm curious. I probably will not watch this, but if I do, that's where my curiosity is. How honest will they be about his involvement, his role in the disaster that has been this year's Jet season?

[Hugo]

I'm sure Robert Sala will also describe their relationship as traumatic and toxic.

[Jessica]

I would say that the history of sports has not seen a lot of public changes quite that looked like this one. Like, this kind of short circuiting on somebody who goes from a State Farm insurance guy to all the things Aaron Rodgers has been since becoming the commercial spokesman. I'm not going to file it under function or even, like, the stuff happening with Antonio Brown. But there is some stuff here worth examining on the fact that we have never seen a quarterback go into this particular descent spiral. Like, it's super weird. It's a super weird thing that we just happened. Had happened to a famous person where you think differently about him now than you did even four years ago in a way that doesn't have a lot of things that I could compare it to in the history of the sport.

[Mike]

Yeah, I felt like I lost my soul, myself, my happiness, my joy. I really understood depression and anxiety and like complete soul detachment. Shailene Woodley, Robert Sala, handshake me.

[Dan]

I would say Olivia Munn has said stuff about previous relationships that you could deduce. Now, she's never actually put it on Aaron because she doesn't speak like that. But if you parse through her interviews, the stuff that she said about her time there is a little bit more damning. I am going to watch this because the turn something happened four years ago, and I'm sure throughout this, it's my best opportunity to understand what happened because I do kind of want to understand. This is a guy that is still probably like, in terms of Wally was going. Was my favorite football player of all time.

[Jessica]

Do you think, though? And I mean, Ian O'Connor interviewed a whole lot of people. Ian O'Connor's book, I'm guessing, is going to be better than the documentary you write.

[Dan]

You think so? No, no. I read the entire book with my ears. And while I enjoyed it, especially like the old Pac 12 football stuff, that was incredible. OJ Atagwe. What a name. What a game that they had against usc. And also they got screwed in the bcs. They lost one game to number one. Well, they dropped two. But Mack Brown's like, we belong in the Rose Bowl BS Anyways, you don't get. You only have like. He only sits down with Ian to confirm or deny some of these things and apply context for about an hour. The rest of it's Ian getting into his life and he afforded Ian the opportunity to come and run some stuff by him. This is all Aaron. So we're not getting into his relationships with Ian. O'Connor's not specifically asking Aaron about that. Aaron will just say there are two sides to every story. Well, this seems to be his entire side, and I am interested in that.

[Jessica]

The reason that I'm asking you, the question that I was, is that I would assume a reporter who does not have to have the access to tell the story is going to tell a more illuminating story. As someone who wants to understand Aaron Rodgers than a documentary made by Aaron Rodgers so that you understand him.

[Dan]

But the footage is so compelling. Like, Aaron Rogers is at like a drugs retreat, openly weeping. Like, I again went through that entire Ian O'Connor book. There was nothing that compelling.

[Jessica]

That's what ayahuasca is.

[Hugo]

Every time I'm at a drug retreat, I openly weep. It's literally on the menu. Like, I'll take the openly weep piece.

[Jessica]

It is so interesting to watch this dude just do drugs his last year in the NFL and everybody's like, yeah.

[Hugo]

Whatever, I'll give you another hot take.

[Dan]

Isn't it a white privilege before you do? Isn't it a white privilege that he can just openly be doing this while his play just, like, goes in the toilet?

[Hugo]

I like the. I like the. Think of us all trying to do things like Stephen A. Now to try to get some of that money. He's doing drugs.

[Tony]

I like him.

[Hugo]

I don't. What I don't like is 40 year old football players. That's my hot take that you shouldn't play in the NFL. 40 plus. Like, I think there's, like, once you get to that age, you start to see things from people that the general public is not.

[Tony]

Brady won a Super bowl over 40.

[Hugo]

I know he did. He was great. He was great. But also, do you remember all the conversation around Brady? Do you remember him being really good and us being super bored? Do you remember him going through a divorce while he's playing in the NFL at 45 years old? You're not supposed to be doing that. It's a tough place to go through middle age, and I feel like that's what's going on with Aaron Rodgers.

[Dan]

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