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Music Critic
Cody, you were saying we interrupted you and you kept talking through the hard network out and we couldn't hear. Great respect for Ozzy, any of what you said. I still don't believe that Mike Ryan is right about this, even though he mocks me. I don't believe that rock can produce N Ozzy Osbourne anymore. We can produce pop stars, but n. Ozzy Osbourne, that kind of thing, I don't, I don't know how that gets produced. So that 50 years from now there's whatever would be today the equivalent of 50 people honoring Drake or whatever.
Rock Music Enthusiast
It's just really hard to shock people these days. Part of what made Ozzy such a cult of personality was how shocking he was even by today's standards. But because there was an Ozzy Osbourne, it makes it really difficult for another one to exist. But Youngblood very clearly going for it. It felt like a pass the baton moment. Even though he never interacted or interfaced with Ozzy Osbourne there a lot like Oz is a singular rock act that tours as a rock act. It's not too common these days. Handsome English got a lot going for himself and the pipes to boot. That was again, seek it out. Incredible.
Music Historian
I think the fact that Ozzie's had health issues added a poignancy to that whole event. And I want to say that Ozzie, you wouldn't think that they're would be close, but Ozzie and Elton John have been very close friends for a lot of years. They did a duet a couple of years ago called Ordinary man, which is incredibly poignant because it's what you would imagine it's about. It's about two old rock stars aging and talking about how they feared just leading ordinary lives and how neither one of them did that. It's a great song.
Rock Music Enthusiast
Something that happened also over the weekend that made me feel old was not just watching Ozzie there, but Jack White turned 50.
Music Critic
Yeah.
Rock Music Enthusiast
As part of turning 50 got a cell phone for the first time, which I just. I love Jack, I don't believe you.
Music Critic
He looked a little bit old when John C. Reilly was singing him Happy birthday the other day at Tiger Stadium. I looked at Jack White and saw a rock star who also looked old. And I'm, I'm. I remain surprised to hear Mike. John C. Reilly's looked old for a while. I mean aging, yes, he's a lot of forehead surface area on that one. But I do believe that. I'm not going to say that Jack White is the of it, but I just think we've. The way that music is made today doesn't really allow for someone to be that kind of different from. I'm not saying from rock music. I mean we make plenty of musical stars, plenty of pop stars make the stars differently than we ever do. But I just don't know how it is that you make something that existed like Jimi hendrix from the 60s or 70s. And I'm not romanticizing or pining for a time that didn't exist. I just don't know the way that we're making music today and distributing it the way that Access is today. I don't know that an act can break controversially or even being great enough to be better than the computers and the auto tune and all of the producers that are making all of this music a little more homogenized, where the AI can even have a hit album, that AI can create a musical hit because computers can now do that.
Rock Music Enthusiast
I think rock music goes through these delayed cycles. We got into it a little bit, but there was an interesting interview that I'm currently listening to with Zane Lowe, who I respect immensely. I think one of the greatest radio disc jockey personality types ever to do it, he interviewed Deftones at a famous diner in la. And they're occupying this very interesting place in rock music right now because Deftones are bigger than they've ever been. They're playing sold out arena shows. They just played the stadium over at Crystal Palace. And a lot of it is TikTok and a lot of it is songs that were deeper cuts that were not singles whatsoever that kids on TikTok have found. When I went to the Deftones show a few months ago and it was all people around 40 and over and then teenagers, it just miss an entire generation of 20 to 35 year olds. It was crazy to see. But social media is going to have these moments in which people get really amplified and people. It gets people curious. They do some digging and they realize a band like Deftones that's been around for 30 years, has a huge catalog and deserve to finally have their moment.
Music Critic
Something I should have said earlier that I did not say. I didn't know whether people had seen that we had sold something to ESPN that Adam McKay and his team have made a 30 for 30 podcast that six part series chasing Basketball Heaven on where it is that the three pointer originated and where it is the game was revolutionized. So we were pretty proud. A small victory here for Metal Art Media and being able to sell something with Adam McKay to ESPN. It debuts July 22, 8020 my way.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Release Date: July 15, 2025
In the "Postgame Show: Old Rock Stars" episode of The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz, hosts Dan Le Batard and Stugotz delve deep into the evolution of rock music, the challenges faced by aging rock legends, and the current landscape of the music industry. The discussion features insightful perspectives from a panel of music critics, enthusiasts, and historians, providing a comprehensive exploration of the topics at hand.
The conversation kicks off with Music Critic Cody expressing admiration for Ozzy Osbourne, questioning contemporary producer Mike Ryan's assessment of rock music's future. Cody remarks, "I still don't believe that Mike Ryan is right about this... I don't believe that rock can produce an Ozzy Osbourne anymore" (00:37). This sentiment sparks a debate on whether today's music scene can foster rock icons of Ozzy's caliber.
Rock Music Enthusiast counters Cody's skepticism by highlighting Ozzy's unique cult of personality, which remains unparalleled in today's music environment. "Part of what made Ozzy such a cult of personality was how shocking he was even by today's standards," they note (01:07). The discussion emphasizes the difficulty of replicating Ozzy's impact, suggesting that modern rock struggles to produce similarly iconic figures.
Transitioning to the theme of aging rock stars, Rock Music Enthusiast shares a nostalgic moment about Jack White turning 50. "As part of turning 50 got a cell phone for the first time, which I just. I love Jack, I don't believe you," they exclaim (02:22). This leads to Music Critic commenting on the visible signs of aging in rock stars, stating, "He looked a little bit old when John C. Reilly was singing him Happy birthday the other day at Tiger Stadium" (02:34).
The hosts discuss the broader implications of aging in the rock industry, pondering how longevity affects a musician's relevance and fan base. The conversation underscores the challenges faced by aging artists in maintaining their legacy in a rapidly changing musical landscape.
A significant portion of the discussion revolves around the transformation of music production in the digital age. Music Critic expresses concerns over the homogenization of music due to reliance on computers and auto-tune. "I just don't know that an act can break controversially or even being great enough to be better than the computers and the auto tune and all of the producers that are making all of this music a little more homogenized," they argue (02:34).
This segment delves into how technology, including Artificial Intelligence, is reshaping the music industry. The panel debates whether AI can ever replicate the creative genius of legends like Jimi Hendrix, highlighting the tension between technological advancement and artistic authenticity.
Rock Music Enthusiast brings attention to the resurgence of classic rock bands, using Deftones as a prime example. They discuss how social media platforms like TikTok have reignited interest in bands with extensive catalogs. "Deftones are bigger than they've ever been... Kids on TikTok have found songs that were deeper cuts that were not singles whatsoever," they explain (03:50).
This phenomenon illustrates how digital platforms can revive and sustain the popularity of established bands, bridging generational gaps and introducing classic rock to new audiences. The discussion highlights the cyclical nature of music popularity and the enduring appeal of rock legends.
Towards the end of the episode, Music Critic shares exciting industry news about Metal Art Media's success in selling a 30 for 30 podcast series to ESPN. The six-part series, "Chasing Basketball Heaven," explores the origins of the three-pointer and its revolutionary impact on the game. "We were pretty proud. A small victory here for Metal Art Media and being able to sell something with Adam McKay to ESPN," Cody remarks (04:56).
This segment underscores the growing trend of multimedia collaborations and the expanding influence of digital media in sports and entertainment broadcasting.
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This episode offers a reflective and critical examination of the state of rock music, the challenges faced by aging artists, and the interplay between technology and creativity in today's music industry. By blending historical context with contemporary developments, The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz provides listeners with a nuanced understanding of the enduring legacy and future trajectory of rock music.