PTFO - Share & Jeopardy! & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz Episode: PTFO - Share & Jeopardy! & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
Release Date: April 18, 2025

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1. Mina Kimes’ Experience on Celebrity Jeopardy!

a. Overview of Her Appearance Mina Kimes shares her candid reflections on participating in Celebrity Jeopardy!, detailing her preparation, performance, and the challenges she faced during the game.

b. Handling Daily Doubles Mina delves into her strategy regarding Daily Doubles, expressing regret over her cautious betting approach. She explains, “[12:00] I did a little bit of research into betting strategy... I didn't think through daily doubles at all.”

Notable Quote:

Mina Kimes [12:00]: "I did not ask anyone about daily doubles. And I do think if I had asked someone, a Jeopardy Person, they would have explained to me, you should bet a lot."

c. Emotional Reactions and Self-Reflection Mina openly discusses her frustration and disappointment with her performance, particularly her hesitancy to maximize her bets. She states, “[21:46] I was so pissed walking out of there because I felt like I had... strategically didn't prepare for the right things.”

Notable Quote:

Mina Kimes [21:46]: "I was so pissed walking out of there because I felt like I had... strategically didn't prepare for the right things."

2. Hosts and Guests’ Analysis and Discussion

a. Examination of Game Strategies Dan Le Batard and Pablo Torre analyze Mina’s strategy, debating whether her performance qualifies as choking or a lack of preparation. Dan posits, “[22:10] The reason I say it is choking is because combination of panic and lack of strategy.”

Notable Quote:

Dan Le Batard [22:10]: "The reason I say it is choking is because combination of panic and lack of strategy."

b. Comparisons with Other Celebrities The conversation touches on Mina’s competitors, including Sean Gunn and David Friedberg, highlighting their performances and interactions during the game.

Notable Quote:

Sean Gunn [05:27]: "Presumably French bread in this blockbuster. Sean, what is Les Miserables?"

c. Discussion on Confidence and Performance Under Pressure The hosts explore the psychological aspects of game show participation, focusing on confidence levels and decision-making under pressure.

Notable Quote:

Dan Le Batard [18:28]: "Mina, you're sitting here savaging yourself about how idiotic this is and who doesn't understand, even though you're crushing it."

3. Charitable Contributions and Personal Growth

a. Supporting CELA Neighborhood Homeless Coalition Mina highlights her charitable efforts associated with her game show participation, specifically supporting the CELA Neighborhood Homeless Coalition. She mentions, “[39:38]... it's called the CELA Neighborhood Homeless Coalition here in Los Angeles.”

Notable Quote:

Mina Kimes [39:38]: "The charity I just... CELA Neighborhood Homeless Coalition... they do some of the most amazing work of any nonprofit I've ever witnessed."

b. Personal Growth and Learning from Failures Mina reflects on how her experience has fostered personal growth, emphasizing the importance of focusing on processes and learning from mistakes. She states, “[36:55]... every rep, you gotta just, like, have a cornerback mentality and reset and think about.”

Notable Quote:

Mina Kimes [36:55]: "Growth. I look at this and I see growth."

4. Light-Hearted Interactions and Closing Remarks

a. Humorous Banter The episode features light-hearted moments, including playful jabs at Mina’s performance and references to other game show personalities.

Notable Quote:

Pablo Torre [38:28]: "Am I the only one who sees AJ Soprano looking at a young Dan?"

b. Final Thoughts and Encouragement Mina concludes by expressing gratitude for the opportunity and her desire for future improvement, while Dan and Pablo encourage her resilience and continued support.

Notable Quote:

Mina Kimes [33:57]: "I'm actually glad, Pablo, to mercifully wrap this up that you made me watch that in there because... I didn't screw the entire thing up."

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Conclusion

In this episode, Mina Kimes provides an introspective look into her Celebrity Jeopardy! experience, discussing strategic missteps, emotional challenges, and the lessons learned from her performance. The hosts and guests engage in a thoughtful analysis of game strategies and the psychological aspects of competing under pressure. Additionally, Mina’s commitment to charitable causes adds a commendable dimension to her narrative. Through candid conversations and humorous interactions, the episode offers a comprehensive and engaging exploration of Mina’s journey on the game show.

Transcript

[Mina Kimes]

Palo.

[Pablo Torre]

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[Mina Kimes]

I am the coach who kicks the field goal instead of going for it.

[Pablo Torre]

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[Dan Le Batard]

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[Pablo Torre]

We're not walking into therapy right now, Dan. We're really not gonna do that. We're not gonna do that. Hi, Mina.

[Mina Kimes]

Hello. Hi.

[Pablo Torre]

The good news is that you missed Dan's preamble. The bad news is that I think Mina's giving double thumbs up. The bad news is that I think you may have over prepared for because I just went through the game tape of Mina on Jeopardy.

[Mina Kimes]

I didn't watch it.

[Dan Le Batard]

Wait a minute. You guys didn't tell me anything. I'm walking into a bit of a trap here. I have watched you guys with great joy, bravely go on celebrity game shows and throw your celebrity into the air to have fun and test your wits against people, famously. But celebrity Jeopardy. Is a little easier than the other jeopardies. Are we doing just narcissism on examining? How did we do? Let's talk about ourselves. We love doing the game shows.

[Mina Kimes]

Pablo, it's your show. You're the one who wants to talk about this.

[Pablo Torre]

As always and for real. What Mina is saying is, is. Is a true fact, Dan. She has not watched it. She told me that she was physically unable to bring herself to watch it. And so the reason we're doing it on the show like this is because we're gonna make her watch it.

[Mina Kimes]

Pablo obviously loves making content out of our lives. You both do. It's something you clearly have in common.

[Pablo Torre]

What I'm gonna do is take us a ride. A ride into a studio, A hallowed studio. And on the stage, Dan is an actor from the Marvel Cinematic Universe named Sean Gunn, known as Guardian of the Galaxy, a dude who hosts, in my opinion, you know, a kind of odious podcast all in named David Friedberg and our good friend Mina Kimes.

[Dan Le Batard]

Why was Mina shaking her head at all in. I don't. What. What happened there? A kind of odious podcast?

[Mina Kimes]

Oh, no, I was nodding in agreement. I'm also not a fan.

[Dan Le Batard]

As far as celebrity goes on Jeopardy, the celebrities are not a high end of celebrities. Mina might be the most famous one here. Hold on a second. Guardians of the Galaxy is a wonderful franchise. Great writing, great acting. Not a lot of famous people coming out of the Guardians of the Galaxy universe from behind the scenes, from small characters.

[Mina Kimes]

The other thing that's important to note is we're in the semis now, right? So a lot of the real, the most celebrity of the celebrities have been culled.

[Dan Le Batard]

Okay, See? All right, so now we're just. Now, let's say what this is. This is the bottom feeder at the last rung of cheap television where we go get people who call them celebrities and Mina's a celebrity, but I don't know if those other two people are Mina.

[Pablo Torre]

As much as you reject that title, what you are objectively is somebody who had prepared. You said on air that you may have scrolled some subreddits. Clearly you talked to our friend Katie Nolan, with whom we've done an episode along these lines with her on this program. You have and had, I think, for those not familiar with her celebrity Family Feud performance, a real competitive.

[Mina Kimes]

Very competitive. Yeah, very competitive. This is why I can't bring myself to watch this episode of Jeopardy. Without watching it. I know that how competitive I was probably started manifesting itself on stage at some point in the final third of the episode when I was about to crush my buzzer in my bare hands like a lemon. Just infuriating. I could not buzz in to save my life.

[Pablo Torre]

The issue, Dan, is that it didn't emerge in the final third. Nina Kimes versus the buzzer. It emerged in the first third.

[Sean Gunn]

Utah's revamped state flag features a beehive once favored by Brigham Young as an emblem of this religion.

[Mina Kimes]

Dave, what is Mormonism?

[Sean Gunn]

Yes, 24601. Just watch the former prison ID number of a guy.

[Pablo Torre]

Nina hold her buzzer.

[Sean Gunn]

Presumably French bread in this blockbuster. Sean, what is Les Miserables? Right? A thousand years. It's how long the hills have been alive songs they have sung, whatever that means in this musical.

[Mina Kimes]

Dave, what is the sound of the.

[Pablo Torre]

Mina's holding her buzzer above the podium so everybody can see this. And it's not why I was doing it.

[Dan Le Batard]

Okay. I have so much here. Where can I start? I'd like to know, first of all, how much soul ravaging you do with Unforgiveness when you're being competitive and you're losing. Like, how mean are you to yourself?

[Mina Kimes]

Well, first of all, I was winning. We were showing questions where I couldn't buzz in. But I was very frustrated, obviously, because here's the thing. Okay, so I'll just get right to it. The thing about Celebrity Jeopardy. Is, as you have seen, if you're watching this or if you watched it, the questions are easy. So by the time you get to the second round, most of the contestants know the answers to all of the questions, and it becomes a buzzing contest. Right. And the thing about the buzzer is you have a window to buzz in. If you buzz in too early, you get locked out. And because I don't have good hand eye, clearly I don't play video games. That might have been good practice for this. I just kept getting locked out and then losing my. So it becomes a lot about, like, quick Twitch. Sorry, I'm in draft world.

[Pablo Torre]

Mina is clearly, obviously in draft mode right now.

[Dan Le Batard]

Oh, my God.

[Mina Kimes]

It's a really a hand. And the other guys, again, to their defense, because I think they knew most of the answers. Certainly the guy gun next to me did. He was getting frustrated because he couldn't buzz in in the first round. So it's just. It becomes like a buzzing contest. It's very frustrating.

[Dan Le Batard]

I'm assuming. Pablo, I'm assuming. I don't know, but based on your team of reporters and how you like to make fun of me, I'm assuming that I'm about to make an admission here that I've never made before. A secret that I've kept for 30 years because you have in your video compartment. My only game show appearance ever. Where I can admit now, only all of these years later, that I do not have the benefit of actually the credibility that Mina does, where I actually believe her buzzer was not quick enough and she knew the answers to all those questions. The thing I'm about to admit, y'all did well on on Boardwalk and Baseball with Chris Berman when I got a single answer right and we got our ass kicked by Oklahoma, the answer was Ford, and I only got it right. My brother made fun of me till his deathbed because there was 10 seconds of silence, and I finally got to be faster than other people. It's also the only thing I knew, I was pretending that the buzzer wasn't working because I was consistently coming in late after people had an answer I did not have because I was so insecure about the fact that I wasn't getting anything right.

[Pablo Torre]

Oh, my God, that's right.

[Dan Le Batard]

I'm sorry to admit it.

[Pablo Torre]

So we've played this video of Dan in this thing in what appears to be the 1950s before Dan has a particular, like, tented hand, but it wasn't the buzzer.

[Dan Le Batard]

I was pretending I was getting my ass kicked and I was facing a hamstring injury.

[Pablo Torre]

Mina, it explains something, which is that when you do watch it, you see how late Dan is. Now that I know that he's tanking choking, it changes so much.

[Dan Le Batard]

Just choking or not even choking. Choking would be if I knew the answers. The questions were too hard. Mina, the question men. Mina goes on Celebrity Jeopardy. Everybody knows the answers. That's disappoint.

[Pablo Torre]

Well, hold on. Look, I would argue that it's impressive that Mina goes on runs like this.

[Sean Gunn]

This moon of Saturn or an NFL player from Tennessee.

[Mina Kimes]

Mina, what is a titan?

[Sean Gunn]

Tan to Titan. H o T T O G o. You can take me hot to go.

[Mina Kimes]

Mina, who is Chapel Roan?

[Sean Gunn]

Yes, Chapel Ron. Did you see that gymnast Steven Etorozik in the Olympics? He only does one exercise. I can't remember what it's called.

[Mina Kimes]

Mina, what is pommel horse?

[Sean Gunn]

Right. A boy in Maine sold Greenwood's champion ear protectors after patenting this type of winter headgear in 1877.

[Mina Kimes]

Mina, what are earmuffs?

[Sean Gunn]

That's right. He's the inventor of the earmuffs.

[Pablo Torre]

Okay, I forgot that the first question in that montage was about what team is in Tennessee. That maybe wasn't as impressive.

[Dan Le Batard]

Well, no, but I. But you know what? I want to look at her face again after that because I did think she found it funny how easy that question was. But you seemed happier than with the other questions and the answers that you were getting. Right.

[Mina Kimes]

The emotion you're trying to identify is actually relief because I was like, thank God I didn't miss the football question because that was my worst nightmare going on this show is that there would be a football category and that I would lose the category, thus giving ammunition to my haters for decades.

[Dan Le Batard]

Good to play that game with great, great fear. Yes. Mina Kimes. That's right. Mina Kimes, who has done now 70 mock drafts and wants to get every one of the picks right. Because she's competitive, is afraid that the Internet Is going to mock her because a Jeopardy. Question, she gets wrong about the titans.

[Pablo Torre]

If you're to talk about the most essential skill for Mina as a Jeopardy. Draft prospect, the thing that I think is so important, that becomes very clear in this episode in the semifinal is the daily double. Oh, God.

[Mina Kimes]

This is. This is the part that I don't want to watch. This is the thing that haunted me.

[Pablo Torre]

We got to walk through it. We gotta. We gotta walk through it. There's a build here because Mina, at this point in the story has $9,700. That's great. She's in control. But this thing, which was a strength in Mina's first celebrity jeopardy. Win, which got her to the semifinal, becomes very relevant.

[Mina Kimes]

Thinking about the Roman Empire for 600, answer Daily Double.

[Sean Gunn]

What do you want to wager?

[Mina Kimes]

700.

[Sean Gunn]

Just 700. All right. If you're right in thinking about the Roman empire. Okay, So I burnt our lasagna. At least I'm not this fifth Roman emperor who legend says fiddled while Rome burned.

[Mina Kimes]

Who is Nero?

[Sean Gunn]

It was Nero. Yes. Could have been a little more there.

[Pablo Torre]

I know.

[Mina Kimes]

Such a coward. I know.

[Sean Gunn]

Keep it in mind for next time.

[Pablo Torre]

Keep it in mind for next time is a very impressive prophecy from Ken Jennings.

[Mina Kimes]

He was disappointed in me. I could feel it. I could feel his. I think. Can I say something? I think Ken wanted me to win.

[Dan Le Batard]

What? That's. That's scandalous. He can't be biased. That's unbelievable.

[Mina Kimes]

What claim are you making?

[Pablo Torre]

We're finding out stuff. We're finding out stuff here, Dan.

[Mina Kimes]

We had a personal connection a little bit. He's from the Seattle. He's a big Seattle sports fan. We had, like, bonded a little bit about that.

[Pablo Torre]

He's a fan of Mina's. He's an actual fan of Mina's in a real way because.

[Dan Le Batard]

Because she was. She was the only celebrity on that show who's not Ken Jennings.

[Mina Kimes]

Well, he's great. And I could feel his disappointment in my cowardly bull daily double strategy. And I was disappointed. You could see it. I mean, that's just the disgust as.

[Pablo Torre]

Soon as she knew the answer.

[Dan Le Batard]

But let's cover the math of this, though, because can we look at it again? Did you instantaneously realize that you were a coward like that?

[Mina Kimes]

Yes. Yeah. You could literally see me when the question comes up.

[Dan Le Batard]

Be like, so wait, so hold on, hold on. Let me go back a second.

[Mina Kimes]

I am the coach who kicks the field goal instead of going for it. I am. My whole career is devoted to calling these coaches out on cowardly game management. And then when I was in that situation, I panicked. Like a word I can't say.

[Pablo Torre]

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[Dan Le Batard]

All right, so can you answer this question for me, though? You are rooting as a competitive person to get the daily double correct? Yes.

[Mina Kimes]

Yes. You want. I was hunting. We were all so this is another thing. In the first game, I was hunting for them. In the second game, we all were. So, you know, everybody's kind of playing in a different way.

[Dan Le Batard]

So you're not scared of it in any way.

[Mina Kimes]

But why you want the daily double.

[Dan Le Batard]

So, but why did you get scared when you got the daily double?

[Mina Kimes]

Like, because I'm a loser. I don't know.

[Dan Le Batard]

But what happened? I'm asking you, take me through the thinking process of. So you're leading and you're afraid that you're going to make a bet that does such bad math that you're going to call. You're so nervous.

[Mina Kimes]

Yes, I was nervous I was going to blow my lead. I was like, I'm in control of this. I've been dominating the category.

[Dan Le Batard]

So you're lacking faith in yourself. The reason you become a coward is because despite the fact that you're crushing this, you know the answers. They're easy questions at the moment of truth. You're saying, I will not bet this much money on the belief that I can do math correctly right now.

[Mina Kimes]

Not about the belief that I could do math correctly. Just like the fear. Like, what if this is the one question I don't know and I bet like, $4,000 and suddenly I no longer.

[Dan Le Batard]

Have a big but why wouldn't you bet on yourself?

[Mina Kimes]

Because it's risk aversions. Like, oh, I, I. It was a more even more so than I think the fear of losing it. It was overconfidence in my ability to keep buzzing in and dominating, right? Which again, to go back to the NFL, that is like, how dumb coaches think. Like, oh, we're gonna keep. We're gonna get another chance to drive the field again. You never know, right? And it's just. It was, like, idiotic. I don't know. This is that. That was Pablo, by the way. The one thing I didn't want to rewatch because the buzzer thing is frustrating, but, like, I felt like that was a. That was in my control, and I up.

[Pablo Torre]

This is a hell of a press conference, a post game press conference that Mina is giving. Who among the NFL coaches that you wished you were? Who's the guy you think of where you're like, I should have channeled more.

[Mina Kimes]

Of Dan Campbell, because I would.

[Pablo Torre]

I would wager that Sean Gunn, the best character this character actor has played, was the role of Dan Campbell in this contest.

[Sean Gunn]

1500 answer daily double.

[Mina Kimes]

I don't want to watch this.

[Dan Le Batard]

Let's bet 5,000. Oh, no. She loses.

[Sean Gunn]

You'll be in the lead by $200 if you're right in.

[Mina Kimes]

We knew a different subject. I'm tired of that.

[Sean Gunn]

Hey, the. I was expelled from Peny Prep. Bunch of phonies. Meet me at the carousel and wear galoshes. Holden, what is the Catcher in the Rock? That's correct.

[Mina Kimes]

Everyone knows that. Why didn't like me?

[Pablo Torre]

What we just saw was what Mina's football nightmare looks like in jeopardy. So Sean Gunn is going Dan Campbell. And so Mina does get the ball back. And yes, there's another run downfield. By the way, just in fairness.

[Mina Kimes]

I'm so tired of this. Advanced animalia for 1,200 answer daily double. I will do 2,000.

[Sean Gunn]

Okay. I'll take the lead. Back by 400. But you have to be right. An advanced animalia Scarabeidae sacker. That's a much more appealing designation than its stinkier name. Dung this.

[Mina Kimes]

What is a beetle?

[Sean Gunn]

Dung beetle.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah.

[Sean Gunn]

You're back on top.

[Mina Kimes]

The face of someone who knows she's.

[Pablo Torre]

An idiot, but you're back on top. She's back on top. Dan. This is unfortunately, a seesaw. We're learning. It's a seesaw between her and Sean.

[Dan Le Batard]

This is wildly entertaining. Where do we end here? Because this has been a roller. It's been a roller coaster.

[Pablo Torre]

Well, the seesaw, right, Takes us through triple jeopardy. And we do see, for those not watching on YouTube, we do see a bit more of the buzzer here.

[Sean Gunn]

Krakuta. Krakuta. Love it. Two times such a better name for the African scavenger. Commonly known as the spotted. This. Sean, what is hyena good for? 1,500.

[Dan Le Batard]

Let's go to rhyme time.

[Mina Kimes]

300.

[Sean Gunn]

It's a cucumber preserved in brine that has an irritating tendency to change its mind. Sean, what is a fickle pickle?

[Mina Kimes]

Yeah. Losing my animalia. 300.

[Sean Gunn]

Or sinus orca. Was that so hard? And yet people still insist on calling it a killer, this. John, what is a whale?

[Mina Kimes]

I was convinced my thing was broken at that point. Losing it. The questions are so easy.

[Pablo Torre]

The scores. They're all the scores. The scores. Dan. Sean Gunn, 20,500. Mina Kimes, a very respectable 16,400. Dave Friedberg, a distant third. $8,400. Not really a factor. Is where we are at this point in the story.

[Dan Le Batard]

I can't believe how human this is. Mina. You're sitting here savaging yourself about how idiotic this is and who doesn't understand, even though you're crushing it. A lack of confidence in yourself, even after all of these easy questions, because you really.

[Mina Kimes]

Because you're still on the day about the daily doubles you're talking about.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah, well, I'm talking. I'm. What I'm talking about is the pressure of the moment making you make smaller bets when the biggest bets would have been on yourself. And it's just so interesting to not. To not have the confidence in that moment. Because, see, I. I think I would be afraid to do all of this in front of people vulnerably allowing them to examine whether or not you're quote, unquote, smart enough or fast enough by get by, testing your intelligence. Television. I don't think I'd want to do that. It doesn't seem like it would be. It seems like it would be pressurized even for charity. So to get in that situation, be plagued by it, however nervous you were before it, if you were indeed nervous, get to the moment, be crushing it, and then not have confidence. When you have a moment to slow down and think it really wasn't.

[Mina Kimes]

It wasn't like a lack of confidence. I was. Let me. I'll be straight up with you guys. I don't watch Jeopardy. I'm not a Jeopardy Person. So I did a little bit of research into betting strategy, which comes up at the end. I did not ask anyone about daily doubles. And I do think if I had asked someone, a Jeopardy Person, they would have explained to me, you should bet a lot. So it was actually less like, oh, I'm so afraid I get this wrong. Although that's A little bit of it. And I think, like, I just didn't prepare for it at all. Like, I didn't think through, hey, this is your opportunity. These questions are easy, you know, all of them. Establish a lead. My brain, like, hadn't even thought through daily doubles at all.

[Dan Le Batard]

I've never heard of you.

[Mina Kimes]

Betty told me, like, try to find them. I didn't think about, like, okay, what do I do if I get these? And I do believe if I had, somebody had told me, hey, you should bet a lot. I probably would have bet a lot. So it was really like a lack of preparation on my part, Pablo.

[Dan Le Batard]

But when you tell me this is the part that I'm finding, go ahead and tell me. All the times that Mina has been caught on national television where her credibility might be on the line or her intelligence and there's a lack of preparation.

[Pablo Torre]

What I can't get over is just that Mina, for those not watching, is in full NFL coach behind a mic podium posture, just like, just really disappointed in herself. The strategy around the daily doubles, hunting them but not maximizing them.

[Mina Kimes]

Yeah, I've been told to hunt them.

[Pablo Torre]

Yes. The thing about Bida that I so appreciate is that she hates nothing. Few things more, I would dare say than not having the right strategy.

[Mina Kimes]

I was so pissed walking out of there because I felt like I had. I just strategically didn't prepare for the right things and I didn't think through it and I was really mad at myself.

[Dan Le Batard]

That is choking though, right, Mina? So wait, let's. Hold on. So let's examine this for a second. I don't want this to be.

[Pablo Torre]

Well, Dan, Dan. Dan's now in the. In the audience of reporters asking questions of the coach.

[Mina Kimes]

I like this.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yes. Well, because I don't want this to be withering criticism, but it seems to me that this would be textbook definition choking. Yes, Coach.

[Mina Kimes]

I, I don't think I dominated to the point where it's textbook choking. Like, I don't. Like I couldn't. I didn't buzz in. Like, that's not that the guy had a lead. You know, I choked on the daily doubles and I think that's where. That's why that was the hardest for me to watch because that was my fault. But, like, I couldn't buzz in. Like, I knew pretty much every answer and I just couldn't buzz in. But the guy's not choking. That's just the reason I say nothing is good at it.

[Dan Le Batard]

The reason I say it is choking is because combination of panic and lack of strategy. That in a moment makes you go, ah, because all of a sudden you're scared.

[Mina Kimes]

Yeah, I'm saying in those moments, but not over like the. I don't think I choked away the entire game is all I'm saying. I think I choked on the daily Coach.

[Dan Le Batard]

You lost?

[Mina Kimes]

Yeah. Skip, sometimes you lose because you didn't prepare well enough. That's not choking. Choking is when you're the overwhelming favorite. You should absolutely win. You should be dominating and you. All right, so I did make mistakes in big.

[Dan Le Batard]

Coach, why wasn't your team prepared? Coach, that's your job too.

[Mina Kimes]

That's. That's the biggest question. I wish I, I actually wish I had done more prep into the actual gameplay. I should have watched Jeopardy.

[Dan Le Batard]

Your team was unprepared.

[Pablo Torre]

Hold on, hold on.

[Dan Le Batard]

You didn't watch any game?

[Pablo Torre]

What, what, What Coach called.

[Mina Kimes]

I watched a little bit. I watched like a Katie Semi. Like I watched an episode of Celebrity Jeopardy. Just to understand. Because it's a little different. But I didn't like.

[Pablo Torre]

No, I'm just pointing something out. What Coach Kimes is saying is something that I thought I would never hear, which is that she didn't grind enough.

[Dan Le Batard]

It's just crazy to me. I can't. Like Pablo knew.

[Mina Kimes]

Look, I will tell Dan I have a full time job. It was during the middle of football season and I had a one year old baby. I only had so much time to get ready for this game show.

[Dan Le Batard]

I'm sorry, it's not even football season.

[Mina Kimes]

This is the maddest I've ever been.

[Dan Le Batard]

It's not even football season.

[Mina Kimes]

Oh, by the way, we taped these back. I was the only person who had to go back to back. I taped that right after my first episode. So I'm like freaking exhausted. That sounds like a competitive disadvantage if you want to know.

[Dan Le Batard]

That sounds like a bunch of excuses, Coach. Like I didn't prepare, I didn't watch game tape. I didn't panic. I have a one year old Steelers.

[Pablo Torre]

Saying we have to play three games in 11 days.

[Mina Kimes]

The thing I regretted was not researching daily doubles. It's the only thing I regret.

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[Dan Le Batard]

Can you imagine Dan Campbell after a loss? Fourth down decision. I have a one year old.

[Mina Kimes]

I think he would probably have lost in Celebrity Jeopardy.

[Dan Le Batard]

She is so mad right now, Pablo. And I don't know whether she's mad at you or me, I or herself. I don't even know what those rankings would be.

[Mina Kimes]

Well, I was mad at myself, but I've transitioned away from being bad at myself to being annoyed by this line.

[Pablo Torre]

Of questioning to being annoyed by Dan bayless.

[Mina Kimes]

It's been 30 minutes.

[Pablo Torre]

I didn't realize, by the way. I didn't realize we would spend 30 minutes without actually showing you. Final Jeopardy.

[Sean Gunn]

Film festivals is the category. Here's the closest so this is what.

[Mina Kimes]

Really pisses me off.

[Sean Gunn]

Called the premier movie industry event for the Balkans, this festival began 30 years ago while the city was under siege.

[Mina Kimes]

I know about the Balkans. I know what cities are in there. I know what cities were wracked by conflict 30 years ago. I absolutely could have deduced this if I had just used simple context clues and geography. But at this point I was like, I'm gonna lose. This is over. I was so flustered by triple jeopardy that I just panicked picked and I was so worried about getting the betting strategy wrong, which was actually kind of the the one thing I did prepare for and I did get it right. I thought I got it wrong in the moment, but later on I realized I got it right.

[Pablo Torre]

This part, the time pressure is the scariest part of this entire game show.

[Mina Kimes]

To me.

[Pablo Torre]

You only have so much time to get the answer. You got to write it down. You will see in the answers to come. The writing. People are panicking.

[Dan Le Batard]

Pablo. Pablo. This is why your Family feud mom. I mean, it's a game show Moment from the dreams to have reached through that time period on Family Feud and not panicked and gave those answers like you had the opposite answers in the world. Okay, but wait a minute. Really going to compare this under time pressure, though. Look, you can choke, and then you start remembering you're choking, you're thinking you're choking, and now you're nine seconds in and you haven't answered. Name a coin you throw into a fountain to make a wish. You said the penny.

[Mina Kimes]

Yes.

[Dan Le Batard]

Survey said.

[Mina Kimes]

Oh, my God, Yes. Pablo correctly guessed penny as the coin that people throw into a fountain. Really? Truly.

[Pablo Torre]

Do your job. This is my press conference. Do your job.

[Mina Kimes]

Anyways, yeah, so I was like, super flustered at home. I'm watching this. I'm screaming like, what the are you doing? Like, you know, But I was. But I did do the betting right. And that was actually some comfort because I was then actually talked to folks about this. Yeah.

[Pablo Torre]

Okay, so I want to re. I want to reanalyze your immediate instantaneous analysis, which you hear as Final Jeopardy. Continues.

[Mina Kimes]

I did my math wrong.

[Dan Le Batard]

Oh, my heart hurts for her right here.

[Sean Gunn]

And she wagered.

[Mina Kimes]

No, I didn't do the math wrong. I did it right. No, no, I did the math right. I did the math right.

[Pablo Torre]

We'll. We'll talk about this. Hold on, hold on a moment.

[Mina Kimes]

I thought I didn't do it right.

[Sean Gunn]

You said to America, what did you wager? 12,001, 9999. And from third place.

[Dan Le Batard]

Are you kidding me?

[Sean Gunn]

Okay.

[Mina Kimes]

Okay, so can I, Can I.

[Pablo Torre]

All in, guys. Podcast guy.

[Mina Kimes]

What a heartwarming story.

[Pablo Torre]

The show that said it's okay if you miss Social Security payments was like, this guy should be rewarded.

[Mina Kimes]

So I was, okay, now I'm so glad. See, this actually is a great window into my mind here, because watching it. Yes, in the moment, I was devastated. And I'm so mad at myself for not because I know geography, I know history. I was just like, my brain was whatever, but my process was correct there. So I'm actually like, I feel a lot better watching how it played out, Pablo, because I did bet the exact right amount, which was something that I looked at.

[Pablo Torre]

So explain what happened. So in the moment, you said you messed up the math.

[Mina Kimes]

So this was something like, I prepared for this. And to talk to you one about Daily Doubles. You know, Hayes Davenport. He is a guy who went to school in Pablo, who I'm friends with.

[Pablo Torre]

Co host of Hollywood Handbook.

[Mina Kimes]

Another super funny dude has been on Jeopardy. So I asked him for advice, and this Was the one piece of advice he gave me. If you're in second place and you're in striking distance, meaning you can jump first, only bet enough so that third place can't jump you. So if third place can't jump you at all, you bet $0. That dude had just enough money to jump me. Right. Which sucks. But the reason you do that is because you're not gonna win unless first place is wrong. So you don't have to. And first place is gonna bet enough to not get jumped. So all you have to do is worry about third place. And that's what I did with my betting strategy. $1,000 was enough to beat third place. Right. If he had. I've gotten right. He didn't get it.

[Pablo Torre]

Right, right, right, right.

[Mina Kimes]

So in the moment, I was like, wait, did I do this wrong? I was. I was actually more upset with the. That I did, but I did it right because if third place had been wrong, I would have won. If we had all been wrong, because first place had to worry about me. Did that make sense? It's a little bit.

[Dan Le Batard]

It's. It's convoluted. But I will tell you that all of that explanation that was riveting television. The fact that after all of that happens. No, no, wait a minute. Wait a minute. Look, this is magic. What happened here is magic.

[Pablo Torre]

Is this reporter Dan or friend Dan? Who are we hearing?

[Dan Le Batard]

I'm just.

[Mina Kimes]

We're not hearing a lot of friend Dan today.

[Dan Le Batard]

This is entertained wildly by watching you suffer. But say, yeah, embarrassed, but my process was good. But also, I think you referred to that dude. I don't know what his name is. Do you know what his name is?

[Pablo Torre]

David Friedberg.

[Dan Le Batard]

That dude had one of the most stunning comebacks I've ever seen in sports because I did not see him coming at all in this. I was never thinking about him. And only because you did. What happened at the end there, I now have. He has the moment of a lifetime that. That. That guy has the opposite of your story. Because he had no business winning that well.

[Mina Kimes]

He's like an extremely wealthy tech entrepreneur. So, you know, I think. I don't think he's really the underdog of a lifetime here. But, yeah, he was, like, stunned afterwards. The moment you can see, he was stunned. Like, he walked out, and his family, he was like, what just happened? And Sean Gunn. I gotta find Sean. We gotta get a drink. We were both just like, screw this. I hate this show. No, we love it. But, like, we were just, like, devastated. It was a great Television moment. It really was. And I didn't watch the entire, I didn't watch the episode. Obviously I've only seen this, but I have to think it was probably one of the more entertaining finishes. It's similar to Pablo's finish. Right. Where it's like dramatic come from behind. Those are the moments that make shock.

[Dan Le Batard]

And Katie's like, how I've, how have you three of you ended up?

[Pablo Torre]

It's been pretty remarkable. Katie make a comeback. It was just a series of dramatic finishes.

[Mina Kimes]

Katie had her own. Oh, yeah. I remember. Because she didn't bet. Yeah.

[Dan Le Batard]

The three of you have had amazing game show experiences. Like, I imagine a lot of people go on game shows and just finish in second place or fourth place or whatever, or get to the Price is Right stage and never get on it.

[Mina Kimes]

Yeah. I'm actually glad, Pablo, to mercifully wrap this up that you made me watch that in there because, like, it was a little bit validating to feel like I didn't screw the entire thing up. So, you know, I, I, I would love another shot at it. I'm still upset with how I handled the daily doubles in particular and losing my cool a little bit with the buzzer, but at least at the end I did the math right. That's really all that matters.

[Dan Le Batard]

Pablo, do you, do you marvel at the fact that a head coach doesn't leave losing with. Well, I got the process right. Like a head coach leaves the losing with. Oh my God, like, I'm just crushed.

[Pablo Torre]

No. Mina gave the answer that is most reasonable to any rational observer and most destroyable by any back page in a major metropolitan area. In which she explains that the process was right, but the result was wrong. And I think that the most honest appraisal, honestly, wasn't even technically Dan in the course of this game. It was during the credits.

[Sean Gunn]

And you don't have to kick yourself, I think, because the way it worked out with Dave being the only one who knew, finally listen.

[Mina Kimes]

Yeah. I would have been more mad if I had done the math wrong. And once that was, I was like, all right, you know. Cause that would have just been embarrassing.

[Sean Gunn]

Well, you made small wagers on who you ended up knowing on Nero and.

[Mina Kimes]

Then scared money don't make money. I don't remember saying that at all. Look, you can only learn from our failures and also try to identify the things we actually did do right in them so we could build off of it. That is my mindset.

[Dan Le Batard]

Oh, my God. That's, that's the, that's textbook definition for learning. But can we also just go back there for a second and just check out Mina's body language?

[Sean Gunn]

Because you ended up knowing on Nero.

[Mina Kimes]

And then scared money don't make money. How weirdly sassy was that? I was so sassy.

[Pablo Torre]

The sassiest quoting of, I believe either Billy Napier, current Florida Gators football coach, or Young Jeezy. I don't know exactly who originated that, but Mina happened to blackout and quote one of them.

[Dan Le Batard]

Well, but can I. Can I examine this for just a moment? Because Mina, I'm going to say that right before that, when you're saying, at least I didn't get the math wrong and you're leaning on the console, whatever is pulsating inside of you right there is a combination of fear and bravado and relief. Because if I could look at it again, just tell me the pose of you trying to lean in before you blackout and go, scared money don't make money.

[Mina Kimes]

Dude, I was exhausted. I had been at that set for hours at that point. Like I said, this is my second taping. I was so drained. I had had, like, three pieces of salami for lunch. That pose is a woman who was just ready to go. It was so late at night, by the way. I was so ready to go to bed. I really think, though, covering the NFL, I swear to God, this is going to sound, like, tortured, but it has, like, better prepared me to deal with failures in my life. Like the things I'm saying to you. Oh. Like, you got to figure out what you did well so you can build off of that. You know, every rep, you gotta just, like, have a cornerback mentality and reset and think about. And like, then also be honest about yourself when you failed. You gotta focus on process. I don't think I would have said any of that stuff when I was younger and I was, like, equally competitive and allergic to failure. So. You know what? Growth. I look at this and I see growth.

[Pablo Torre]

Mina, how long ago did you tape that?

[Mina Kimes]

In October. It took me about three months to get over. So I'm really reliving a lot of trauma here.

[Dan Le Batard]

And it took you those groins.

[Pablo Torre]

It explains what you're like to do pop podcast with November, December, and January. Yeah, that explains something. Not as long ago, though. Not as long ago as the aforementioned prospect that we are here to once again evaluate.

[David Friedberg]

You thought it was settled in the Orange Bowl. Baloney. We have with us here on our very stage here in Orlando, the hurricanes of Miami of Florida.

[Dan Le Batard]

So scared.

[David Friedberg]

Dan's already one of his own cars.

[Pablo Torre]

Just all over that place.

[David Friedberg]

This American drove one mile in under 40 seconds. That was an average speed of 91 miles an hour. Name that American auto manufacturer, Miami Henry Ford. That is correct.

[Dan Le Batard]

They were slow there.

[David Friedberg]

The players.

[Dan Le Batard]

I'm Dan lebatard. I'm a 1918 year old sophomore majoring in news, editorial journalism and politics. I'm from Miramar, Florida.

[David Friedberg]

All right, Hurricanes.

[Pablo Torre]

And I'm just walking.

[David Friedberg]

72 Summer Olympic Games took place in what city? Oklahoma. Camp Munich. Munich is right. Which Boston Red Sox pitcher?

[Pablo Torre]

Oh, here's the buzzer technique.

[David Friedberg]

Dan's Miami time Roger Clements gesture. And that, that wraps up our 102nd round and Oklahoma is the champion.

[Mina Kimes]

Am I the only one who sees AJ Soprano looking at a young Dan?

[Pablo Torre]

Not only do I see A.J. soprano, I hear A.J. soprano.

[Mina Kimes]

Yeah. Can we listen to him again? Introduce himself, Play him again.

[Dan Le Batard]

That hair. I'm Dan lebatard. I'm a 19 year old sophomore majoring in news, editorial journalism and politics. I'm from Miramar, Florida.

[David Friedberg]

All right.

[Dan Le Batard]

Hurricane scared.

[David Friedberg]

1972 Summer Olympic Games took place.

[Mina Kimes]

Actually adorable.

[Dan Le Batard]

Just scared. I would say though that you sweet.

[Pablo Torre]

Sweet Cuban Jonah Hill.

[Dan Le Batard]

Mina Mina. Not being scared of all that and only getting, you know, the result of learning and process is. Is a reason to do it. Because I'm stunned that you're not even mortif. More mortified. Just haven't recovered from it. Don't want to be anywhere around it, don't want to do this with us.

[Mina Kimes]

It's been a process getting over it, honestly. In the. Let's just say the words, you raised $50,000 for charity. Focus on what matters. Were said to me a lot in this house by my husband over the next seven days.

[Dan Le Batard]

That's so right.

[Mina Kimes]

And by the way, the charity I just. For anyone who is watching and has any interest, I did talk about it briefly. It's called the CELA Neighborhood Homeless Coalition here in Los Angeles. They do some of the most amazing work of any nonprofit I've ever witnessed. So Hayes, who we talked about was really involved in them as well early on. So if you guys are looking to donate, go to celanhc.org I have the links in all my socials.

[Dan Le Batard]

You guys do realize that we could actually just for charity, say, what's the most you'd pay to see one of us most embarrassed on national television? Like if we were selling that mean. And I told you before it started, it's going to be embarrassing to you, but you will raise how much money for it? What's the price? Gotta be for that embarrassment.

[Mina Kimes]

I mean that was the most embarrassing thing, I think. I guess if I had missed a football question that would have been.

[Dan Le Batard]

So what would be the like, how would we talk you in from that one? Like if we, if you missed a football question and said but you raised this much for charity, Mina, and you'd be like okay, that's okay.

[Mina Kimes]

I mean I $50,000 is pretty especially like kind of fig when I got to visit them and hear about what the money was going to do. It made me feel a lot better about this. You're getting me at the right time. If you had, if this had been raw, if this had been like in the weeks after would have been. I mean I think I was pretty defensive and angry, but it would have been 10 times worse.

[Pablo Torre]

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[Pablo Torre]

If I pointed out maybe that that incredibly worthwhile charity which you did support and it's incredible that celebrity Jeopardy does enable like real things on the back of stupid things. If I pointed out for instance, that they could have had even more money if you knew how to do a daily double, I mean maybe, maybe that.

[Mina Kimes]

Would you know, let me back on Celebrity Jeopardy. Let me back on.

[Dan Le Batard]

She wants a second chance. She wants a rem.

[Mina Kimes]

Another chance. Do better.

[Dan Le Batard]

Come on. Celebrity Jeopardy. She's a great champion and your biggest celebrity. And that dude, I, I don't know who. I still don't. I can't remember his name. Mina. The dude who had the. The miraculous comeback. Do you remember his name? Because I feel like Mina. Mina overlooked him too. He. He snuck past her cuz she wasn't prepared.

[Mina Kimes]

Yeah, he. He knew like the film fest. He's like, oh, my wife and I had been to this film festival. I was like so mad about it. Guys, wait. Shocking news. Are you ready? Are you seated? Crazy news just broke.

[Pablo Torre]

What. What happened?

[Mina Kimes]

Aaron Rodgers has not made a decision and says he doesn't owe it to anyone to move on their timeline.

[Pablo Torre]

Speaking of a guy who, who, who watched way more Jeopardy. Than Mina. Aaron Rodgers.

[Mina Kimes]

That would be the most embarrassing thing if I lost to him in some.

[Pablo Torre]

Imagine. Okay. Yes. Imagine if instead of Ken Jennings hosting that episode, it was Aaron Rodgers, which almost happened very close to that. What I found out today, actually what.

[Mina Kimes]

An alternate timeline of like what I.

[Pablo Torre]

Found out today is how much I long for that alternate timeline exclusively and specifically for the ability to have done the episode we just did with each other. But with Aaron Rodgers in the role of Ken Jennings.

[Mina Kimes]

I too long for that alternate timeline because it would mean that right after this ends, I don't have to go on NFL Live and talk about Aaron Rodgers saying he hasn't made up his mind mind yet. Which I'm gonna have to do for the 45th time in the last two years.

[Dan Le Batard]

I don't. Pablo, I don't believe there's any subject matter of any kind that I can put in front of Mina that she's more tired of than talking about Aaron Rodgers. There's nothing that she's just that she, she will not bite on it ever saying anything other than I don't care. I'm tired of it.

[Mina Kimes]

I. I think that it is unique because people are always like, oh there's it's political or whatever. I think it's unique to my job because I have to do it so much. Dan, do you have an equivalent of that in your guys lives? Like a thing where you're just like, this is. I ha. I'm compelled so often to address this exact thing. Must I do this?

[Pablo Torre]

You might even say that these Aaron Rodgers segments, they're her own personal daily double.

[Mina Kimes]

That doesn't even make sense. I feel like you just. It just doesn't make sense, guys. I'm sorry. Logically, that doesn't. Actually, that's a terrible announcement.

[Pablo Torre]

Pablo Torre Finds out is produced by Walter Abaroma, Ryan Cortez, Sam Deywig, Juan Galindo, Patrick Kim, neely Loman, Rob McRae, Rachel Miller, Howard Carl Scott, Matt Sullivan, Claire Taylor, Chris Tominiello and Juliet Warren. Our studio engineering by RG Systems. Our sound design by NGW Post. Our theme song, as always, is by John Bravo and we will talk to you.

[Dan Le Batard]

It.