Share & Atone & Tell with Nick Wright and Kevin Wildes

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Episode: Share & Atone & Tell with Nick Wright and Kevin Wildes
Release Date: January 10, 2025
Hosts: Pablo Torre, Nick Wright, Kevin Wildes

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1. Opening Banter and Rankings (00:00 - 03:00)

The episode kicks off with light-hearted banter between Pablo Torre, Nick Wright, and Kevin Wildes. The trio engages in playful teasing about each other's appearances, particularly focusing on their hair. This humorous exchange sets a friendly and relaxed tone for the episode.

• Pablo Torre: "We're going to rank everything in the room by the time this episode is over." [02:08]

The conversation quickly shifts to the importance of rankings, highlighting their shared passion for organizing and evaluating various aspects of sports and media.

• Nick Wright: "Rankings matter. You know what? Can I just say something? These people that think they're too goddamn good to like. Oh, for lists and rankings and whatever. That's what life is." [02:11]

2. Rivalries and Media Dynamics (03:00 - 09:00)

Pablo delves into the dynamics between the hosts, particularly addressing a perceived rivalry with Nick and Kevin. He references a past interaction at Kevin Wildes' family holiday party, hinting at underlying tensions and competitive spirits within the sports media landscape.

• Pablo Torre: "Nick and Wilds, in case you did not know, co-host a popular sports television show called First Things First over on FS1..." [02:47]

A key moment occurs when Pablo reveals his intention to confront Nick and Kevin about their professional rivalry, setting the stage for deeper discussions about competition and collaboration in sports media.

• Nick Wright: "Do you have to be the smartest guy in the room?" [05:07]

3. Take Atonement: Bad Sports Predictions (11:27 - 24:30)

In the "Take Atonement" segment, the hosts reflect on their least successful sports predictions over the past year. This segment is designed to showcase humility and honest self-assessment.

• Nick Wright: "I did pick the Lakers to beat the Nuggets... but the Nuggets advance. They have won." [14:48]

Nick shares his flawed prediction about the Lakers defeating the Nuggets, acknowledging the unpredictability of sports and the challenges of making accurate forecasts.

Kevin Wildes discusses his incorrect take on Sam Darnold's career trajectory, emphasizing the complexities of evaluating player performance and potential.

• Kevin Wilds: "Sam Darnold's success has made it possible for me to never sell any bad take anywhere off play action." [19:18]

Pablo Torre also participates by discussing his take on Ben Simmons, using an analogy to illustrate his perspective on Simmons' potential and limitations.

• Pablo Torre: "If I gave you a flying car, you'd be impressed, right?" [21:07]

4. Vocabulary in Sports Debate (24:50 - 28:48)

The hosts transition into a discussion about the specific vocabulary they use to frame sports debates. They emphasize the importance of words that carry emotional weight and imply a sense of justice or disrespect, which can intensify debates and engage audiences.

• Kevin Wilds: "Deserve is one of my favorite words. Does Lamar deserve to be a 10-point favorite?" [25:02]

• Nick Wright: "The subtext in the best vocabulary words in this way are always the words that imply some level of disrespect." [26:36]

Pablo shares insights from his high school debate experience, highlighting how defining terms can either clarify or complicate debates.

• Pablo Torre: "A key to ensuring a messy disagreement is to never define the term that you're actually debating." [27:29]

5. Drafting a Famous Person (29:02 - 40:22)

In a creative segment, Pablo poses the question: "If you could draft any famous person from the entire world, whose fame would you want to take with you?" This prompt leads to engaging and introspective discussions about fame, anonymity, and personal preferences.

Pablo expresses his aspiration to be like Mike Trout, valuing respect and recognition without the overwhelming aspects of extreme fame.

• Pablo Torre: "I want to be Mike Trout. I want to be revered among those who know what it is that I do and respect why it is that I'm good at it." [30:20]

Kevin Wildes chooses Sully Sullenberger, admiring his heroism and the balanced level of fame that allows for respect without intrusive notoriety.

• Kevin Wilds: "Sully Sullenberger. Hero with a mustache. Hero for being cool, not just saving lives." [31:16]

Nick Wright opts for Daniel Day-Lewis, appreciating his ability to embody characters while maintaining personal anonymity.

• Nick Wright: "Daniel Day Lewis... I think that Daniel Day Lewis, if he wants to just go out and go to Walgreens, is able to do it." [37:18]

6. Closing Remarks: What We Found Out (40:41 - End)

As the episode concludes, the hosts participate in the final segment where they share their key takeaways from the discussion.

• Pablo Torre: "I have found out that Nick Wright drafting Daniel Day Lewis is the perfect answer for a guy who I can't tell is acting or not." [41:07]

• Nick Wright: "I learned I hurt Pablo's feelings at your Christmas party." [42:00]

• Kevin Wilds: "I learned that Sean Stellato was in fact Tommy DeVito's agent." [41:33]

The episode wraps up with a humorous anecdote about their experiences at the Belmont Stakes, reinforcing the camaraderie and light-hearted nature of their interactions.

• Kevin Wilds: "Nick very kindly senses this kind of tension... it's just a free. It's just a free. It's not like when I was growing up, like, we only had 12 pieces of Kodak." [46:17]

• Pablo Torre: "We've reached the end of the show... I hate you guys." [28:57]

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Pablo Torre: "We're going to rank everything in the room by the time this episode is over." [02:08]

• Nick Wright: "Rankings matter... That's what life is." [02:11]

• Nick Wright: "I have got some things ready. But do you want to go first since you guys were the ones in." [12:30]

• Nick Wright: "I fundamentally disagree. It is the life of a professional gambler." [16:28]

• Kevin Wilds: "If every time I'm wrong I'm like, oh, what am I going to do now, then that is..." [16:28]

• Pablo Torre: "Is there any take wilds that you regret that you've come around on in the last year or more?" [23:36]

• Nick Wright: "I believe in Ben Simmons." [22:45]

• Nick Wright: "I have become very impatient on lines... I just don't have the capability anymore. I can't do it." [43:19]

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Key Insights and Conclusions

• Competitive Spirit in Sports Media: The hosts explore the natural rivalries that drive individuals in the sports media industry, emphasizing the balance between competition and camaraderie.

• Honest Self-Reflection: Through the "Take Atonement" segment, Nick and Kevin demonstrate the importance of acknowledging and learning from past mistakes, fostering a culture of accountability.

• Impact of Vocabulary on Debates: The discussion on vocabulary underscores how language shapes debates and influences audience perception, highlighting the strategic use of emotionally charged words.

• Perceptions of Fame: The "Drafting a Famous Person" segment reveals personal values regarding fame and recognition, illustrating varying desires for public acknowledgment versus personal privacy.

• Humor and Camaraderie: Throughout the episode, humor serves as a tool for strengthening relationships among the hosts, making complex topics more relatable and engaging for listeners.

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This episode of The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz offers a blend of insightful discussions, personal reflections, and entertaining banter. By delving into topics such as professional rivalries, the nature of sports predictions, and the nuances of fame, Pablo Torre, Nick Wright, and Kevin Wildes provide listeners with a comprehensive and engaging exploration of the sports media landscape.

Transcript

[Pablo Torre]

Welcome to Pablo Torre finds out. I am Pablo Torre. Today's episode is brought to you by DraftKings. DraftKings. The Crown is yours. And today we're gonna find out what this sound is.

[Nick Wright]

I'm not acting, but thank you.

[Kevin Wilds]

I don't think he's acting. It's just a character. He's just a real life character.

[Pablo Torre]

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[Pablo Torre]

What a delight to have you both here, by the way.

[Kevin Wilds]

You know, for me, for having us.

[Pablo Torre]

Yeah. You're taking stock of your surroundings, Kevin.

[Kevin Wilds]

Well, I've seen. I. I'm, you know, I'm a big fan. Oh.

[Pablo Torre]

Yeah. Waiting for Nick to chime in with a compliment, but none has come.

[Nick Wright]

I didn't. I don't like to come over the top on someone else's compliment.

[Pablo Torre]

Yeah.

[Nick Wright]

And I also don't like to lie. So I was in a weird spot.

[Kevin Wilds]

You know, kind of a double wing.

[Nick Wright]

But by the way, evidently my hair is getting screwed up by the headphones.

[Pablo Torre]

I think it looks great.

[Kevin Wilds]

My hair has been looking good, though.

[Nick Wright]

I appreciate that.

[Pablo Torre]

All of our hair is looking pretty good.

[Nick Wright]

There's.

[Kevin Wilds]

Sorry.

[Nick Wright]

Pablo's got great hair. Wilds has gross. I. I just. My hair's fine. I'm in a room with two people objectively with better hair than me. My hair gets graded on a curve because I used to have a shaved head and people thought that was by force than by choice. So people oddly think this is like fake hair. Yeah, but set that aside.

[Pablo Torre]

We're going to rank everything in the room by the time this episode is over.

[Nick Wright]

Rankings matter. You know what? Can I just say something? These people that think they're too goddamn good to like. Oh, for lists and rankings and whatever. That's what life is. I'm not into people that think they're too good for what everyone enjoys.

[Kevin Wilds]

Rankings are number one, dude.

[Pablo Torre]

Yeah.

[Kevin Wilds]

I don't know.

[Pablo Torre]

Rankings.

[Kevin Wilds]

Rankings are number one as far as ways to organize one. Number one.

[Pablo Torre]

Number one rankings. Number two, art. And that's the end of the list.

[Kevin Wilds]

Just rankings and art.

[Pablo Torre]

Yeah. Let's all get claps, though.

[Kevin Wilds]

Good.

[Pablo Torre]

No, I was. Good clap.

[Kevin Wilds]

Missed it.

[Pablo Torre]

Best clap, Nick. Second best clap. Me. Worst clap, Wilds. Okay, so you should know that the reason that I've decided to start the new year with Nick Wright and Kevin Wilds here with me in studio is for a very particular reason. Nick and Wilds, in case you did not know, co host a popular sports television show called First Things first over on FS1, or as they called the show at the start of one episode.

[Kevin Wilds]

Last year, the show that's going to vanquish Pablo Torres.

[Nick Wright]

Oh, come on. Don't put that on the air.

[Pablo Torre]

Why?

[Kevin Wilds]

I'm serious about it. Okay.

[Nick Wright]

All right.

[Pablo Torre]

You want to do it?

[Nick Wright]

We're going to do it together.

[Kevin Wilds]

All right.

[Pablo Torre]

And shout out to their co host, by the way, Chris Broussard, who you could hear at the end of that video just then, just immediately washing his hands of all of this. But my feud with Nick and Kevin actually began a lot earlier than that. And so I needed to begin this episode, which will go unusually deep inside of the business of sports media and the art of giving takes and the crafting of magic words and the ranking of celebrity, because Nick started off originally as a solo radio host and Wilde started off as a television producer that I worked with at espn. And I just needed to confront them about the last time that the three of us had been together in person, which was naturally at Kevin Wilde's family holiday party.

[Nick Wright]

Okay.

[Pablo Torre]

December 2023. Nick, it's the Upper west side. It's almost Christmas. I see you.

[Nick Wright]

Yes.

[Pablo Torre]

And you say to me something that I've been waiting over a year to talk to you about.

[Nick Wright]

Great. You said, I have no recollection.

[Kevin Wilds]

You say to me, this is great.

[Pablo Torre]

I think you're the second smartest person in sports media.

[Nick Wright]

I called you second. I would have thought maybe third, but sure, yeah. Did I have myself first or Bomani first?

[Pablo Torre]

I never followed up until now. I want the rest of these rankings.

[Nick Wright]

Well, do I think I am the smartest guy in sports media? Obviously, I think that I would. I would. And I would think anyone that is in the lane I'm in, if they think there's someone smarter than them, I would lose respect for them.

[Pablo Torre]

Is the lane you're in breathing person?

[Nick Wright]

No. Or what? I don't think I'm the smartest person in the world. That's ridiculous. I don't even think I'm one of the. No, but I'm. I'm in an industry where the barrier for entry of intelligence is not exactly high. How dare you and I. How dare you and the. The lane I have is the annoyingly accurate smart guy.

[Kevin Wilds]

He has been right about the chiefs. You called that one.

[Pablo Torre]

Well, that is at least one third true. Annoyingly accurate smarts.

[Nick Wright]

I would just ask the audience what else are we going to assign my success to? My look. No, my. I got a great voice. No connections. No athleticism. No likability. Pretty clearly not. It's like, God damn it, that guy really irritates me. But he's smart. I learned something and he's right a lot.

[Kevin Wilds]

That's a great take.

[Nick Wright]

I mean, what do we assign Wild's success to? He's incredibly handsome. He's one of the funniest people I've ever met.

[Pablo Torre]

Yeah.

[Nick Wright]

He's super likable.

[Pablo Torre]

Yeah. Well dressed.

[Nick Wright]

If he had all of those things and was the smartest guy in the room, I don't think he. I think he president.

[Kevin Wilds]

But.

[Pablo Torre]

But this is. This is the.

[Kevin Wilds]

I don't know if I got complimented or dissed there. I think.

[Pablo Torre]

I think.

[Kevin Wilds]

I think it's 60, 40.

[Pablo Torre]

There's a real ice cream sandwich of a compliment.

[Kevin Wilds]

Great at all.

[Nick Wright]

But I also think it really says a profound amount about you that it stuck with you for 14 months because it means that you. You. You're. You operate under the same assumption I do. That you're the smartest guy in the business.

[Pablo Torre]

It's hard to debate that actually who.

[Kevin Wilds]

You want to be the smartest too.

[Pablo Torre]

Want to be. Is a real loaded clause you guys are.

[Nick Wright]

Do you know see why this guy's my rival?

[Kevin Wilds]

Do you see this rivals thing is more interesting.

[Nick Wright]

Do you get it?

[Kevin Wilds]

Having like A. We're 30 seconds away to debating the salary cap. The reason.

[Sleep Number Voice]

Look at the second apron.

[Kevin Wilds]

That doesn't work so important for Wilds.

[Pablo Torre]

It's so important for Wilds to be here because I think.

[Kevin Wilds]

Can't make anything happen. Shut up.

[Pablo Torre]

Meanwhile, wildest take is like, why is it an apron?

[Kevin Wilds]

Here we go. No, do the rivals thing.

[Pablo Torre]

Yeah, it's. I. I want to catch people up on that.

[Kevin Wilds]

Oh, yeah.

[Pablo Torre]

Which is that Nick declared on Lebatard's show that he has rivals.

[Nick Wright]

Kevin Wilds makes fun of me because he says that this is an insane way to look at my career. But I just assumed everyone looked at it this way, which is I have a rivals list. Everyone in the media that is within two years of me or younger than me I must vanquish and I must be more successful than I have to do it. They are all my rivals. And the reason I mention it is right now rising to the top of the rivals list is Pablo Torre, and he will be vanquished. The top. Pablo's younger than me. Pablo made fun of me a bit on the show the other day, which only solidified that he is my rival. And it doesn't matter that we're friendly. It doesn't matter that he's always been kind to me. It doesn't matter that I was at a Christmas party with him. I will vanquish Pablo Torre.

[Kevin Wilds]

You guys, at one point were both, like, young. I've known Pablo for so long. Like, remember when Pablo was like, the young guy at espn? Like, really? Pablo's young and you were young.

[Nick Wright]

Yeah.

[Kevin Wilds]

And now you're 40.

[Pablo Torre]

Right, but so I am 39.

[Kevin Wilds]

I mean, that's basically. That's 40.

[Pablo Torre]

So the.

[Nick Wright]

The. The.

[Kevin Wilds]

That's even worse than 40.

[Pablo Torre]

Honestly, I don't.

[Nick Wright]

I. I don't know.

[Kevin Wilds]

It's a good take.

[Nick Wright]

I don't think it is unique in any industry to look at the other high achievers that are around your age and measure yourself against them. So everyone that was around my age, even though we're not young anymore, they're all rivals.

[Kevin Wilds]

And then I tried to set up, like, a beef. It didn't really take off.

[Pablo Torre]

Yeah, I was.

[Kevin Wilds]

You said some bombs over. You said some swear words.

[Pablo Torre]

I was like, yeah, I think. I think I went.

[Kevin Wilds]

But I think we were on vacation. I was like, why did you launch the. The rivalry beef?

[Pablo Torre]

I hate Nick right now. Okay, and which. Which camera? Can I. Can I. Can I speak into this right here? Oh, yeah, all of them. Nick Wright, you, Kevin Wilds. You're a C word. Capitalism, Content capitalism.

[Kevin Wilds]

You guys remember, like, I think Pablo started a beef, but we're not even gonna respond.

[Pablo Torre]

And first things first. Was on vacation, and I was just yelling into the. Just the noise editing foam in this room.

[Nick Wright]

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[Pablo Torre]

We do have a segment that I wanted to do and the segment was going to be Take Atonement. And when I texted you guys about this immediately and unsurprisingly, Nick refused to play along with the segment. Wild was down. I was down. You were not.

[Nick Wright]

I. No, I Again, you want me to.

[Pablo Torre]

Do you want me to read into the court transcript when you text it.

[Nick Wright]

Please, and see if the audience thinks that I refused Also, just lie.

[Kevin Wilds]

Say he said something.

[Nick Wright]

No, read exactly what I wrote.

[Pablo Torre]

Pablo, you are the number one smartest person in sports media.

[Kevin Wilds]

Strike it from the record.

[Pablo Torre]

And then Wilds replies, I'm in. The next morning Nick replies, I'm not saying I'm not in exactly, but I'm sure you guys will understand that asking me to compile my allegedly worst opinions assumes facts not in evidence. Yeah, parentheses that such opinions exist. Close parentheses. Period. New text. This could be a Herculean undertaker.

[Nick Wright]

Exactly. So as I stated before, I never said I wasn't in. I just said it's going to be hard, but I've got some things ready. But do you want to go first since you guys were the ones in.

[Pablo Torre]

First, you're saying that you have generated.

[Nick Wright]

Yeah, I've got some ones that didn't work.

[Pablo Torre]

Is it this one?

[Nick Wright]

I'm ready to move from the flirtation stage to the commitment stage. And I am picking the Chicago Bears.

[Kevin Wilds]

Wow.

[Nick Wright]

And Caleb Williams to win the NFC and to be a rookie quarterback representative in the Super Bowl. Yeah, I mean that's the obvious one. Now I am curious if Jaden Daniels were to make the super bowl. That take becomes basically half right because most of the people's objection was a rookie quarterbacks never made the Super Bowl. And it would have been like if you say, hey, asteroids gonna hit Earth in Peru in 2028 and an asteroid hits Argentina in 2028. You weren't as wrong as the people who were like, no way, it's not coming. You were definitely more right. And so Jaden Daniel season kind of indicates the opinion a bit, but obviously didn't go that way. There's a whole nother sliding doors thing of Tyreek Stevenson doesn't taunt the fans and the Bears get to five and two and Jaden loses that game. What we're talking about. But no, that was a bad take. The thing about sports predictions is their predictions and the, you know, as. As try as I might, you can't flawlessly tell the future. Yeah, that would have been probably. I don't know if that would have been the number one draft pick for the wrongest take I've had, but it's up.

[Kevin Wilds]

I mean, it's a take, though.

[Pablo Torre]

That was just the one from this past year that.

[Kevin Wilds]

I mean, that's a great take, though.

[Nick Wright]

Yeah.

[Pablo Torre]

Obviously you're saying the process of the take was good. The result was bad.

[Kevin Wilds]

If the take cuts through and it makes sense, it's a great take. It doesn't necessarily have to be right or wrong.

[Nick Wright]

What was your request since you have the text pulled up?

[Pablo Torre]

The request bad predictions was. It was actually. I thought it was a magnanimous offer. It was a take exorcism. We all volunteer a take that we.

[Nick Wright]

Oh, if it was one take, then that would have been. Then it wouldn't have been Herculean. I thought we needed like a long list.

[Pablo Torre]

We do have this take also. Just for the record on that.

[Nick Wright]

I don't believe in the Eagles. I don't believe in their coach and I'm starting not to believe in their quarterback. Yeah, I mean, 2/3 of that applies. I don't believe in the quarterback and I don't believe in the coach that now I was dead wrong on Saquon and his impact and Brew nailed that.

[Kevin Wilds]

Yeah.

[Nick Wright]

The thing that I was going to bring to the take exorcism was I did pick the Lakers to beat the Nuggets.

[Kevin Wilds]

Oh, yeah. That was my shining moment. Zeros on the clock.

[Pablo Torre]

The Nuggets advance.

[Kevin Wilds]

They have won.

[Nick Wright]

Here's the other thing. I don't understand people being embarrassed by incorrect sports predictions. I think that old takes exposed guy existing has been one of the greatest things that ever happened in my career because I think there's a lot of people who are like, oh boy, I don't want to get old takes exposed. Let me water this one down. Do I care? Like, what is like, like, oh, no. Oh, no, this loser's gonna retweet the thing that I said.

[Pablo Torre]

Isn't there some amount of tension though, in being guy who is the most right and being guy who does not feel an ounce of pain when he is wrong? Isn't that in conflict? Can you be both?

[Nick Wright]

Because I take so much pride in being correct, I should feel shame when I'm wrong.

[Pablo Torre]

It's a classic having cake and trying to eat it as well situation.

[Nick Wright]

How so?

[Pablo Torre]

Because you want to be the guy who's right, but also when you're wrong, you say, I don't actually get bothered by being wrong.

[Nick Wright]

Well, it's the.

[Pablo Torre]

It's a lot of upside, but almost no downside that you are willing to absorb.

[Nick Wright]

I. I fundamentally disagree. It is the life of a. In a different genre, professional gambler.

[Kevin Wilds]

I knew it. I knew it.

[Nick Wright]

Which is I am going to, in a theoretical world, be the world's greatest sports better. And I'm going to make millions of dollars a year betting sports. And my path to doing that is being correct 56% of the time. And part of that means I know going in I am going to be wrong 2 out of 5. And if every time I'm wrong I'm like, oh, what am I going to do now? Then that is. You are the ultimate. Trust the process, Guy. You are the ultimate.

[Pablo Torre]

This is unfortunately true.

[Nick Wright]

And so no, I don't. I don't go into every football season saying, well, we're going to be perfect. I go into every football season saying I'm going to be better than all my rivals. And luckily all of them, year after year, convince themselves the greatest team any of us have ever seen is probably not that good. So I start off way ahead.

[Kevin Wilds]

Yeah.

[Nick Wright]

And I only need a few other things to fall to be the rightest one.

[Pablo Torre]

Nick does have a remarkable thing going Wilds. Where. And again, this is not the original observation, but somehow his portfolio includes LeBron James.

[Nick Wright]

I said this a few months ago and I believe it 100% to be true. He'll never be back.

[Pablo Torre]

And Patrick Mahomes.

[Nick Wright]

You know why teams do weird when they're playing the Chiefs? Because staring across the sideline and seeing Patrick Mahomes and Andy Reid terrifies them.

[Pablo Torre]

And he has marked himself as an underdog somehow, despite those being the two items at the top of his list. Can I be prying and rude on the subject of Nick's relationship with Patrick Mahomes and LeBron James?

[Nick Wright]

Sure.

[Pablo Torre]

The idea that LeBron or Patrick Mahomes would be in the midst of some take storm and they would see yours and Be like, thank you.

[Nick Wright]

They appreciate it. Yeah, I think they appreciate it.

[Kevin Wilds]

Shingoon has never reached out to me. All I do is. All I do is sing the guy's praises. I was early on that. But Shingoon is learning from Joker. He's Baby Joker.

[Nick Wright]

Okay.

[Kevin Wilds]

He is.

[Nick Wright]

Okay.

[Kevin Wilds]

Baby Joker.

[Nick Wright]

Okay. That's fine.

[Kevin Wilds]

The pro bono publicist for Shingoon. This dude is out here. It should make the All Star.

[Nick Wright]

Really should get more love from Shin. From your guys.

[Kevin Wilds]

Yeah. Because my guys.

[Nick Wright]

Well, hold on.

[Kevin Wilds]

I rock with my guys.

[Nick Wright]

Matt Jones did start following you on Twitter.

[Kevin Wilds]

Yes. Oh, yeah.

[Pablo Torre]

Does that mean that he's not being submitted to the center of the table for a take atonement?

[Kevin Wilds]

No. I mean, I can get into that.

[Pablo Torre]

I thought that that's what you were going to get into.

[Kevin Wilds]

Never.

[Pablo Torre]

But now I'm never going to leave.

[Kevin Wilds]

Mac Jones, basically because Sam Darnold, I call it. I'm titling this the Sam Darnold defecation of sports. You want a $5 word? Darnold vacation. Sam Darnold's success has made it possible for me to never sell any bad take anywhere off play action.

[Nick Wright]

Stepping up, launching downfield. And it is what? Twisting, turning, Touchdown Jefferson. Minnesota's back in front.

[Kevin Wilds]

Like, Sam Darnold was given up on by the jets, the Panthers, and then when he got to the 49ers, was it. Shanahan is like. He reminds me, like, why can't Sam Darnold be good? Steve Young got good at 30. We're like, Whoa, that's a compliment. That kind of hit my radar. Like, time to get into the Sam Darnold take business. And Sam Darl is amazing. So why is. Was. Is Mac Jones right now as good as Carolina?

[Nick Wright]

Sam Darnold, probably not.

[Kevin Wilds]

But never leaving Matt Jones.

[Nick Wright]

But point taken.

[Kevin Wilds]

That's it. It's the ceiling of guys. I'm never giving up on anybody until they retire. And like, I don't know, maybe usfl. He can. He can come back.

[Pablo Torre]

But the point. The point you're making is that Sam Darnold was a turning point in the sports discourse such that because he has had a comeback like this, now we cannot write off anybody, certainly quarterbacks who.

[Kevin Wilds]

Are so situationally coach, wide receiver, offensive line dependent.

[Pablo Torre]

Sure. What I'm getting though, is that neither of you are going to play this game.

[Nick Wright]

I know. What do you mean?

[Pablo Torre]

You're both rejecting the concept of having a take to a Pablo.

[Nick Wright]

You haven't said one of yours.

[Pablo Torre]

Ben Simmons.

[Kevin Wilds]

I'm not giving up on Ben Simmons, he gets his back healthy.

[Pablo Torre]

Ben Simmons unfollowed me on Twitter. Ben Simmons is my answer.

[Kevin Wilds]

You're giving up on Ben Simmons?

[Pablo Torre]

I think I have to.

[Kevin Wilds]

I believe in Ben Simmons.

[Pablo Torre]

Then I think I have to. My take on Ben Simmons was always. And this is. I'll do a little Nick Wright for you, Nick. If I gave you a flying car, you'd be impressed, right?

[Nick Wright]

Sure.

[Pablo Torre]

If this car was the fastest car in the world, you'd be impressed.

[Nick Wright]

Yeah.

[Pablo Torre]

If this car didn't have a stereo, you'd be bummed, but you'd still think, incredible car. Yeah, that's Ben Simmons.

[Nick Wright]

That's such a terrible take. I'll stick with your analogy. If because the lack of brakes exist, you're afraid to drive the car fast, but it can go fast, you're afraid to take it on the freeway, but it can drive above traffic, then it doesn't matter. It can do all those other things.

[Pablo Torre]

It.

[Nick Wright]

The, the other guys in league history who have had a hole in their game, it didn't metastasize in a way that it undermined every other piece of their game. And that's what happened to this kid. And I don't know. I don't. I. I don't know the full psychology of it, but it's been. We've known it for five years.

[Pablo Torre]

I don't like that Nick has workshopped my take into a better take. Although I think my analogy is still good.

[Kevin Wilds]

Is Ben Simmons number one fan and supporter available? Real estate?

[Nick Wright]

Yes. You want it?

[Kevin Wilds]

I mean, if it's available, is that.

[Pablo Torre]

Kevin Wilds can become the number one Ben. The number one Ben Simmons guy.

[Kevin Wilds]

Yeah, I'll do that.

[Nick Wright]

Pablo wants you to atone for a take. I have atoned for the record.

[Kevin Wilds]

I don't know why I'm not playing along.

[Nick Wright]

I atoned for the Saquon not working with the Eagles, the Bears making the Super Bowl, Derrick Henry not making a difference for the Ravens. I'll throw in. And the Lakers beating the Nuggets.

[Kevin Wilds]

Yeah.

[Nick Wright]

In last year's playoffs. So there's. There's four.

[Pablo Torre]

You know what?

[Kevin Wilds]

I don't think my. I might need to atone for anything.

[Nick Wright]

How about no one's beating the Nuggets in a seven game series and they won literally one seven games.

[Pablo Torre]

That was worth it.

[Nick Wright]

And then blew a 20 point lead at home.

[Kevin Wilds]

That wasn't great. How do I remain so confident? I'm always reminding myself, bang. No one's beating Denver in a seven game series. I'm gonna say it a Hundred times. I'm always reminding myself. I'm not atoning for that though.

[Pablo Torre]

You can do a non sports take atonement. I didn't specify you can do any. Is there any take wilds that you regret that you've come around on in the last year or more? We can do more. I'll give you one. In the meantime, while you're thinking a.

[Kevin Wilds]

Non sports take that I've just been wrong about, I'm like, you know what? This is good.

[Nick Wright]

He said he has one he wants to give.

[Kevin Wilds]

Yeah, go ahead.

[Pablo Torre]

I'll.

[Kevin Wilds]

I'll brainstorm.

[Pablo Torre]

I'm a morning guy now. I used to want to stay up late. Now I wake up at like 5:30am.

[Kevin Wilds]

Was that a take or just like an evolution of your life? I think I was like, mornings suck.

[Pablo Torre]

I think I was dead wrong. Yeah. My take previously had been I will never want to wake up this early. And now I'm regularly waking up this early and it's better. Yeah, I get so much more done.

[Kevin Wilds]

Yeah, it's better. Yeah. The mornings are great.

[Pablo Torre]

Also being a dad, I feel like I get to spend time and you know.

[Kevin Wilds]

Yeah, that's the take. Mornings are better than night.

[Pablo Torre]

Yeah, exactly. I'll fall asleep at 11pm 10:30.

[Nick Wright]

Even called aging.

[Kevin Wilds]

Yeah. I think that's just maturity.

[Pablo Torre]

This also brings us to the vocabulary portion.

[Nick Wright]

So what is this portion?

[Pablo Torre]

It's just the idea.

[Kevin Wilds]

My favorite portion.

[Nick Wright]

It's your favorite?

[Kevin Wilds]

Yeah. Go. Sorry.

[Nick Wright]

Wild.

[Pablo Torre]

Set it up, please.

[Kevin Wilds]

Words that work for sports debate. Maybe like magic words. My favorite is deserve. Deserve is one of my favorite words. Does Lamar deserve to be a 10 point favorite? Does Russell Wilson deserve to be a 10 point underdog? Do the Chiefs deserve the buy? Like what, they're 15 and 1. Yeah, they do. Yeah. But dude, they deserve it. It's just so good. So I was trying to.

[Pablo Torre]

So it's weighted with morality.

[Kevin Wilds]

Oh, it's just fantastic.

[Pablo Torre]

Do they cosmically. Yeah. Inherit this thing that has.

[Kevin Wilds]

So do you have a. Do you know the other ones that we use on the show?

[Nick Wright]

Reaction?

[Kevin Wilds]

No.

[Nick Wright]

What do you mean?

[Pablo Torre]

Nick's so bad at this game. He's so bad at this.

[Nick Wright]

Why would I be good at this? I don't even understand the game.

[Kevin Wilds]

The correct answer was disrespected.

[Nick Wright]

Okay.

[Kevin Wilds]

Is Sean Payton being disrespected?

[Nick Wright]

Okay, I get it.

[Pablo Torre]

Those, those are, I think another one. Should the Lions be afraid?

[Kevin Wilds]

Oh, yeah. That's good.

[Pablo Torre]

Of anyone in the nfc.

[Kevin Wilds]

Yeah.

[Nick Wright]

And we do the. We do another version of that, which is how scary Are.

[Kevin Wilds]

Yeah. I don't know. Yeah.

[Nick Wright]

Are the Bengals the scariest?

[Kevin Wilds]

The scariest. Scariest. Scary is good too, because it's just. It's very like. You get immediate react. I'm not gonna be scared of that.

[Pablo Torre]

But the subtext in the best vocabulary words in this way are always the words that imply some level of disrespect.

[Kevin Wilds]

Yes. Deserve disrespect. Fear. Unfair. We use a lot unfair. That blank. Unfair. Is this unfair? But it's all based on justice.

[Pablo Torre]

A cosmic sense of justice.

[Nick Wright]

Well, yeah.

[Kevin Wilds]

Just.

[Nick Wright]

It's. To get wilds Wants more emotion and less analytical responses.

[Kevin Wilds]

Yeah.

[Nick Wright]

Typically that creates the best show.

[Kevin Wilds]

Yeah. Some sort of. Some combination of the two. But an emotional response with a. With a statistical foundation is nice.

[Nick Wright]

Yeah. No, no, it has to be based in fact. But a feel to it.

[Kevin Wilds]

Yeah.

[Nick Wright]

That's what makes.

[Kevin Wilds]

With philosophical kind of a clash.

[Pablo Torre]

So I did high school debate. One of the things that I learned is that a key to ensuring a messy disagreement is to never define the term that you're actually debating.

[Kevin Wilds]

Oh. And be valuable.

[Pablo Torre]

Valuable. Greatest. These are things where Nick has. Nick's brain has already activated. If you were to put an FMRI on Nick's brain, as I said, those words, you would have had already, like a decision tree of just arguments about.

[Kevin Wilds]

In the debate team. That's. That's something from like the. I'm not totally. I've seen a few debates, but I'm not totally familiar with the format. But it's terrible. That's something that the initial.

[Pablo Torre]

You will have to spend time in your. In your opening case, like saying that you define the terms. You attempt to define the terms so that you both agree on what you're arguing about. And if you don't, you end up eternally debating Michael Jordan versus LeBron.

[Kevin Wilds]

That sounds great.

[Pablo Torre]

Like, if you were to just dive into it without agreeing on what value means, you would never actually engage. Or at least you wouldn't engage with what the other person is actually trying to say until like, several levels into the argument that you're making.

[Kevin Wilds]

That's the fun part, though. Taking the fun.

[Nick Wright]

Yeah. So what?

[Pablo Torre]

Well, that's what I mean. Messy disagreement is actually.

[Kevin Wilds]

Yeah. I like the messiness.

[Pablo Torre]

Great to watch two people really good at disagreeing do. But really bad if you're trying to resolve anything, which is why you don't actually want to have a word that is so clean and binary. You want to have something that you just lose yourself in.

[Kevin Wilds]

Okay. Yeah. Now you know.

[Nick Wright]

Got it.

[Pablo Torre]

I hate you guys.

[Nick Wright]

It Seemed like there was a period at the end of that.

[Pablo Torre]

Here's a. A question that I've genuinely been curious about with you guys. The best form of famous. Who is famous? Best. Whose fame do you want? The whole world is available to draft. Who's famous? Do you want.

[Nick Wright]

Is there any financial association to this?

[Pablo Torre]

Yes.

[Nick Wright]

Or is it just the fame?

[Pablo Torre]

There is financial association with it. You can monetize it. You can do whatever you want.

[Nick Wright]

No, no, no. That's not what I mean. What I mean is, do you get this person's fame and wealth or just their fame? I'm not saying you can. You can then make money off that level of fame. What I'm saying is if you. Do you understand what I'm saying? Like, you understand the question I'm asking.

[Kevin Wilds]

I'm making a list.

[Nick Wright]

Because, like, I don't. This is not who I would pick. I don't think Chris Bosh's fame is hyper, hyper monetizable, but he's got a couple hundred million dollars already. So I'm asking you if in that scenario, if you were to pick Chris Bosh, do you take with you the couple hundred million dollars? It's probably more interesting if the answer is no, that you're just getting their fame.

[Pablo Torre]

Right. Right. It's celebrity.

[Kevin Wilds]

Do you have a answer for this?

[Pablo Torre]

I have a draft pick.

[Kevin Wilds]

Okay. I want to hear yours, if that's okay.

[Pablo Torre]

Yeah.

[Nick Wright]

Yeah.

[Pablo Torre]

I want to be Mike Trout.

[Kevin Wilds]

Mike Trout.

[Pablo Torre]

I want to be revered among those who know what it is that I do and respect why it is that I'm good at it.

[Kevin Wilds]

Yeah.

[Pablo Torre]

But I also want the plausible deniability of ever actually being identified as or stopped as Mike Trout.

[Kevin Wilds]

I mean, as far as a number one pick, like, can Mike Trout get into every restaurant? Because if you can't, if, like, if Mike Trout and his wife are going like they said, it's going to be 15 minutes, maybe 45. Like, she'd be like, honey, you're Mike Trout. I know, but I played for the Angels.

[Pablo Torre]

But what if. What if Mike Trout has his assistant that's just him who has registered.

[Kevin Wilds]

I'm having a Trout assistant at Gmail. Then I'm not famous enough.

[Pablo Torre]

Send a reservation request with the hyperlink.

[Kevin Wilds]

To Baseball reference page. I don't know if that plays. I think I have a better answer.

[Nick Wright]

Let me hear.

[Pablo Torre]

What do you got?

[Kevin Wilds]

Sully.

[Pablo Torre]

Sully Sullenberger.

[Kevin Wilds]

Yeah. Hero. Hero with a mustache. I think hero like hero for being cool, not just saving lives. You didn't just, you know, you're not a scientist that in, you know, wow, this, this invention that you made saved a lot of lives, which is very good. Don't get me wrong. Like, no, I saved lives in a dramatic way in the city now with the Tom Hanks movie, I guess he had to go to. People were mad at Sully for some reason.

[Nick Wright]

Yeah.

[Kevin Wilds]

But yeah, I didn't like that part at all.

[Pablo Torre]

Did they cancel Sully at the end of Sully? No.

[Nick Wright]

Remember, he was in the midst of it. People were there was. If the Hanks movie's correct, he was really raked over the coals about. Did you actually have to land in the Hudson?

[Kevin Wilds]

Yeah. I don't know who's giving Sully.

[Nick Wright]

Yeah.

[Kevin Wilds]

I would have gone to the congressional meeting like, hey, man, Sully. The events of January 15, 2009 have been well documented. And rather than recite them now in great detail, I want only to reiterate to the subcommittee that the successful outcome was achieved by the actions of many. I think Sully is just great. Everybody loves him, but so, but maybe he's got some waning fame, but he's just right.

[Nick Wright]

But so you are heroism.

[Pablo Torre]

You want people to say, thank you, heroes.

[Nick Wright]

But like, but let me ask.

[Kevin Wilds]

Hero is pretty sick.

[Nick Wright]

Let me definitely sick. But let me ask a question. To me, that, that answer tells me you don't value at all, like, recognized on the street.

[Kevin Wilds]

No, that's probably a detriment. I don't think famous people like that at all.

[Pablo Torre]

So I think some people don't. Others.

[Nick Wright]

Tommy DeVito's agent lives for it.

[Kevin Wilds]

That's a good level of pain.

[Pablo Torre]

But your draft pick is Tommy DeVito's.

[Nick Wright]

No, that's not. No, no, no, that's not my draft pick. I was just saying. So it was just interesting that Wilds picked a guy who I think Sean Stellato only. Yeah. Only becomes recognized upon introduction and never randomly. You understand what I mean? Like, people hear the name and I think most people know it, but you have the stats even with the staff. I gotta tell you right now, I don't know what he's. If I close my eyes and think of that guy, I just think of Tom Hanks. Like, I don't remember what the guy actually looks like. And if he was walking down the street, I wouldn't know him. What happened to us on the way in, that to me, is awesome. At that exact level. When we were walking in the building, somebody just walked by, was like, hey, fellas, love the show. Like, I, I, that's a great, like, endorphin Boost.

[Pablo Torre]

Yes.

[Nick Wright]

I also think being truly famous would be exhausting, and I don't think that would be fun.

[Kevin Wilds]

No, but if the guy was like, hey, Wilds. And say, yeah, he's like, you're amazing for landing a plane, saving all those lives.

[Nick Wright]

I agree.

[Kevin Wilds]

Thank you.

[Nick Wright]

I'm trying to think of the name of, like, who this describes, because my answer would be someone who, if they want to be recognized, is wildly famous and, like you said, can get in anywhere, no weight, but also with sunglasses and a baseball cap on.

[Kevin Wilds]

That's Mike Trout.

[Nick Wright]

Is.

[Kevin Wilds]

That's the Mike Trout.

[Pablo Torre]

That's why I drafted Mike Trout, Nick.

[Nick Wright]

But you're saying that my Trout couldn't. Can't just get in.

[Pablo Torre]

Wait, wait, hold on. Are you describing, like, a dj? Like, I'm a.

[Nick Wright]

No, I'll be honest. I'm lying here. I'm lying. I. Whatever level of fame I have, I enjoy, and I would like more so this. I. I don't want to be anonymous. I. I don't think. I. I think it would bum me out.

[Kevin Wilds]

It would bum you out to be anonymous?

[Nick Wright]

Yeah.

[Pablo Torre]

Because I. I appreciate Nick's honesty.

[Nick Wright]

So here's why.

[Pablo Torre]

I unfortunately relate to this, but I've never.

[Nick Wright]

And you're gonna laugh at me, but just follow me here. My entire adult life, I've had tiny, slightly increasing fame.

[Kevin Wilds]

How about, like, Kansas City radio? Yeah.

[Nick Wright]

Right. So Kansas City. Right. And so at 23, once a week, someone be like, yo, love the show. And it's just slightly. So not only am I. Has it never been weird for me because it's like watching your kid get taller. Like, you don't actually recognize it because you see them every day. You know what I mean? Like, it's just been. But also, I have no recollection of it not being there. So I think Wilds had a whole successful career without any real fame associated with it, and now in the last five years, has gotten increasing levels of fame. So Wilds has a. A standard to remember, like. Oh, yeah, yeah, everything. Like, I was an adult with a wife and kids, and none of this.

[Kevin Wilds]

Yeah. You're like a child star, basically.

[Nick Wright]

No, that's not what I. Again, that's why I said you're making fun of me.

[Pablo Torre]

But to next point, you, Kevin, were a producer.

[Kevin Wilds]

Yeah.

[Pablo Torre]

You were, like, having secret meetings with Kobe Bryant once upon a time.

[Kevin Wilds]

Secret. But.

[Pablo Torre]

But that's what you were doing. You were, like, producing, like, shows for sure. The most famous and inconveniently famous people.

[Kevin Wilds]

Yeah.

[Pablo Torre]

And Nick and I have been.

[Kevin Wilds]

Clawing.

[Pablo Torre]

Digging my fingernails into a tree trunk of celebrity.

[Nick Wright]

Yeah. So that. So. So I think my answer is like Daniel Day Lewis, I drink your milkshake. I drink it up.

[Kevin Wilds]

Because I don't tries to do is hide well.

[Nick Wright]

But he's different than me.

[Pablo Torre]

Such a perfect answer.

[Nick Wright]

But I think that. I think that Daniel Day Lewis, if he wants to just go out and go to Walgreens, is able to do it. But I also think it's like, man, I want to be Daniel Day Lewis tonight. He obviously can be. That seems awesome.

[Kevin Wilds]

I guess so. You know, like the chameleon side.

[Nick Wright]

Yeah. So like, so I. Because I initially. So someone like Mark Wahlberg. That seems exhausting. Like he just has to be Mark Wahlberg at all times.

[Kevin Wilds]

Yeah.

[Nick Wright]

And everywhere he goes, like anyone that feels like I have to. You know what? I have to have security. That seems exhausting.

[Pablo Torre]

Right. Mark Wahlberg walks around thinking that he could do a better job of saving people on an airplane than Sully.

[Kevin Wilds]

He did do an airplane movie.

[Pablo Torre]

He also believed he could stop 911.

[Kevin Wilds]

I have another one.

[Nick Wright]

Yeah.

[Kevin Wilds]

Again, it's super. It's even more anonymous. I wrote Winston Wolf famous.

[Pablo Torre]

Oh, as in the.

[Nick Wright]

The fictional character.

[Kevin Wilds]

The fictional character, Winston Wolf, where for some reason he's in a tuxedo. So he must be in fact. So he's rolling in these interesting circles. And when who does it? Ving. Roms.

[Nick Wright]

Ving rhymes.

[Kevin Wilds]

Excuse me?

[Pablo Torre]

Earnestly pronounce it. Roms.

[Kevin Wilds]

I didn't know. I don't know how you pronounce Ving Rham's name, but now I do.

[Nick Wright]

Mispronunciations are fine because it means you learned it by reading it instead of hearing it.

[Kevin Wilds]

Actually, I may have just misremembered it in any event. And then sail on Jackson. Like, they're very excited to see him. Yeah. It seems like he's got a nice car. He has connections at the dumpster.

[Nick Wright]

You're Jimmy, right? This is your house.

[Pablo Torre]

Sure is.

[Nick Wright]

I'm Winston Wolf.

[Kevin Wilds]

I solve problems like it just.

[Pablo Torre]

He's there to help you get out of a bind.

[Kevin Wilds]

But not necessarily. Like, I don't want that to be my job necessarily.

[Nick Wright]

No, but you.

[Kevin Wilds]

What you mean is within an industry, I'm considered. Really?

[Pablo Torre]

Yeah.

[Nick Wright]

Drug kingpin. Famous.

[Kevin Wilds]

That's an interesting type of things. I do not. I think it's quite dangerous.

[Nick Wright]

No, I understand, but I. But it's the same type of thing where it's like you are anonymous to everyone except for the people who know who you are. And those people you're a big deal.

[Pablo Torre]

This is.

[Kevin Wilds]

And in that element that's also like kind of like a Sully thing.

[Pablo Torre]

I would urge you to reconsider and do Mike Trout. Taking Mike Trout.

[Kevin Wilds]

Mike Trout.

[Pablo Torre]

He gives you drug kingpin fame.

[Kevin Wilds]

I didn't want that. Without that, I do not assassination as a concern fame at all.

[Nick Wright]

No, I, I, I was just trying to. Maybe I should use a different analogy. Phil Ivey.

[Kevin Wilds]

It's a good level of fame where.

[Nick Wright]

Once again, people who know no. And those people conspicuous also. But also you're, you know what I mean, too.

[Kevin Wilds]

So I, that's what mine is. But it's like I can wear a tuxedo. Yeah, I'm big on if I can wear a tuxedo.

[Nick Wright]

That was a good question. Pablo, do you have a list of questions that we should have let you ask instead? We just said dumb stuff for 40 minutes.

[Pablo Torre]

We've reached the end of the show, and at the end of every show, we talk about what we found out today. Because it's called Pablo Torre finds out. So I will ask us to go around the table and we all say what it is we found out. After hanging out with each other and finding all this stuff out, I have found out that Nick Wright drafting Daniel Day Lewis is the perfect answer for a guy who I can't tell is acting or not.

[Nick Wright]

You can't tell if I'm acting.

[Pablo Torre]

I think you are a method arguer, and that is the highest compliment I can pay to you.

[Nick Wright]

I'm not acting.

[Kevin Wilds]

I don't think he's acting. It's just a character. He's just a real life character. What did I learn?

[Pablo Torre]

That Sean Stellato was In fact Tommy DeVito's agent?

[Kevin Wilds]

No, I knew that he knew that.

[Pablo Torre]

I saw you at Yankee Stadium, by the way.

[Nick Wright]

Yeah.

[Pablo Torre]

Game five.

[Nick Wright]

We said hello to each other.

[Pablo Torre]

Yes, but I think Sean Stellato was also there.

[Nick Wright]

Yeah, I know. That's the bit that I. Sean Stalato, you know how, why you recognized him? Because he was walking around begging people to recognize him and hoping someone said, please take a picture with me. Like, that's, that's why Wiles doesn't like me saying this because he thinks it's mean. And it is mean, but sometimes truths need to be spoken.

[Kevin Wilds]

Go ahead, you go on what you learned, and then I'll go.

[Pablo Torre]

I also just learned that truth.

[Nick Wright]

I learned I hurt Pablo's feelings at your Christmas party.

[Kevin Wilds]

I don't think you hurt his feelings. I don't think that was the takeaway.

[Pablo Torre]

I've learned I Found out that Nick is projecting onto my feelings. Maybe his own part.

[Nick Wright]

No, it's not.

[Kevin Wilds]

I'm trying to find a nicer one because the one that's actually there, I feel like it's not.

[Nick Wright]

Take it.

[Kevin Wilds]

Kind take it. I think you guys are nuts for not wanting to be anonymous. I feel like you're headed towards. You're going to be in the old folks home.

[Nick Wright]

You're like, hello.

[Kevin Wilds]

I'm like, it's just. I don't know.

[Pablo Torre]

I'm going to be. That's a. I'm going to be podcasting till I die. So. Yeah, just. I guess, call me crazy.

[Nick Wright]

It's just.

[Kevin Wilds]

I don't know. The external validation is a little concerning for me. I didn't have you guys pegged for that.

[Nick Wright]

Really? You didn't. Maybe you didn't have me pegged for that kernel validation.

[Pablo Torre]

What I have found out is that Kevin Wilds is terrible at pegging people.

[Kevin Wilds]

No, I did. For external validate. I didn't know. No, because you kind of like, I don't know. I thought the art of the take was good enough.

[Nick Wright]

No, like, I asked you a question.

[Kevin Wilds]

If you were on a deserted island with this setup, just you. Do you think you would give takes.

[Nick Wright]

Of course.

[Kevin Wilds]

That's what I'm saying. But it would just be a mic plugged into nowhere. You'd be like, all right, yeah.

[Nick Wright]

No, so. So both.

[Kevin Wilds]

It's just like in itself.

[Nick Wright]

Yes. Is fulfilling a thousand percent, that process. What is also true is I have become addicted to the occasional, what I call it, endorphin boost or ego or whatever of the stranger saying, you know, saying, like, what you do. Yeah. Or whatever. And I have become very. Was something that I do not. Is not a positive trait, but I recognize it. I've become very impatient on lines because, like, I still go out to clubs and stuff with my wife and I used to. Oh, there's a line. We'll just wait in it. And I just don't have the capability anymore. I'm like, can't do it.

[Pablo Torre]

Can't do it.

[Nick Wright]

Not. I can't.

[Kevin Wilds]

That's not. That's. And so a public facing thing, you.

[Nick Wright]

Think that's just getting older?

[Kevin Wilds]

Yes.

[Nick Wright]

You know, no. So I. Maybe. But it's.

[Kevin Wilds]

My time's running out. As soon as you get older. Try. The older you get, the less interested you are in lines. Like if you're 88, like, man, I got limited time here.

[Nick Wright]

That part's true.

[Kevin Wilds]

Wait in a line.

[Nick Wright]

Yes. But it's also why I. I Don't think human beings are wired for fame. And I just. I think it is unnatural. And it's. Prior to the last 20 years, very, very, very few people were actually had any fame. And everyone wondered, like, what's happening to society, whatever. That's too wide ranging. But I truly believe millions of people now having an element of notoriety or fame via a social media following has. Is the symptom of so much of people losing their minds. People get more anchored to opinions they had because you used to be able to have a bad opinion anonymously and change it, but now it's like eight years ago I posted on Facebook that I believed this and now people. I'm tied to that, like a bad sports take that people won't let go of. And I think that people have started manicuring and curating their own belief system to what they think they're following likes because people aren't wired to deal with fame. And so I think one of the other pieces of that is once you have an element of it, I think most people feel they need it. I'm not saying it's healthy, but I think it's more typical than you would think of people who've been in the public eye for a long time needing to keep some relevance. What do you.

[Kevin Wilds]

Can I. Can we end the podcast with a funny story?

[Pablo Torre]

Proceed.

[Kevin Wilds]

Belmont Stakes. We're there. Fox has it, so we're there. I've got my kids with me.

[Pablo Torre]

Did you.

[Kevin Wilds]

Oh, you brought.

[Nick Wright]

I brought my daughter.

[Kevin Wilds]

Daughter's friend. There's some executives there and it's just a great time. And then Nick is. There's. I felt like maybe I'm just telling myself this, but you had some, like, gambling crossover that maybe people recognize you from poker because they're a little bit of poker, a little bit of sports.

[Pablo Torre]

Globally competitive poker player. Yeah.

[Nick Wright]

Thanks, Pablo.

[Pablo Torre]

Accurate.

[Nick Wright]

You said to me two hours.

[Kevin Wilds]

Guy comes over to, like, the little. You're in, like, little squares. And the guy comes over. Oh, Nick, love the show. And I'm like, I'm on the show. You know, I'm on the show. It's hard to, like, consume the show and not stumble across me. You know, it's like, I love the steakhouse. Like I'm the salt shaker. Like, like I'm there. I'm not saying I'm the star of the show, but I am there and you usually have to spot me. And then Nick very kindly senses this kind of tension because the guy's talking about the show and, you know, Wilds, he goes. He goes, I know. You know, Wild's right here. And the guy looks at me and goes. I think he said, do you want a picture with him? And the guy goes, yeah.

[Nick Wright]

Just kept talking to me. Didn't walk away.

[Kevin Wilds]

No, it was just. He's like, yeah, all right, buddy. It's not even on film. It's not even a cost. It's just a free. It's. It's not like when I was growing up, like, we only had 12 pieces of Kodak. We don't want to waste one. There you go. That is my level of fame.

[Pablo Torre]

Kevin Wild, Pablo Nick Wright. I mean this when I say this. Two of the greatest guests. That's not in the history.

[Kevin Wilds]

Oh, that's what finds out. Because remember, you said it's like a messy entanglement.

[Nick Wright]

Thanks, Pablo.

[Kevin Wilds]

Bye, Pablo.

[Pablo Torre]

Pablo Torre Finds out is produced by Walter Averoma, Ryan Cortez, Sam Dawig, Juan Galindo, Patrick Kim, neely Loman, Rob McRae, Rachel Miller, Howard Carl Scott, Matt Sullivan, Claire Taylor, Chris Tominiello and Juliet Warren. Our studio engineering by RG Systems. Our sound design by NGW Post. Our theme song, as always, is by John Bravo and we will talk to you next time.