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Dan Le Batard
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Stugotz
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Chris Cody
What's up?
Dan Le Batard
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Chris Cody
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Chris Cody
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Dan Le Batard
Didn't even have to do any paperwork.
Stugotz
Wow.
Dan Le Batard
Hey, have you checked out that spreadsheet I sent? Dinner options.
Greg Cody
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Billy Corben
Welcome to the Big Sui presented by DraftKings.
Dan Le Batard
Why are you listening to this show?
Billy Corben
The podcast that seems very similar to the other Dan LeBatard podcast. I'm sorry. I'm not going to apologize for that. In fact, the only difference seems to be this imaging.
Dan Le Batard
I have been tempted in restaurants just walking past tables to grab somebody's fries that if they're just there. That hasn't happened to you guys.
Billy Corben
I've done it. And now here's the marching man to Nowhere Fat Face and the Habitual Liar.
Mike Ryan
This episode of the Dan Lemonard show with Stugats is presented by DraftKings. DraftKings. The Crown is yours.
Dan Le Batard
My name didn't sound like you said it exactly right.
Mike Ryan
This episode, the Delivery Chef skits.
Chris Cody
Ah, let him slide. You're gonna. But it's Montreal is going to poke out every now and then on this show. All right, everybody, just in three days. Hang on.
Dan Le Batard
He picked up the accent.
Chris Cody
No, no, this ain't the accent.
Mike Ryan
That's what I was doing there for sure. Yeah, I slept for 14 hours yesterday, too.
Dan Le Batard
LeBron did take out Doug Gottlieb over the weekend. He informed me. I did not know this. That Doug Gottlieb hadn't won a game in three months and is 2 and 24 at Green Bay.
Stugotz
You wanna have something crazy about Doug Gottlieb just in general. So, like, he's the head coach of a college basketball team, right? And we're in the middle of college basketball season. He was at Radio Row in the middle of his college basketball.
Chris Cody
He does a daily show.
Stugotz
I know, but he should be coaching his team. You can do that remotely. Like we were walking around Radio Row and we saw that the set was all set up for the Doug Gottlieb show. And it's kind of like you should probably be with your team right now, I would think, in the middle of the season. Like I know that this is like the biggest place, but like you have this other commitment. Like maybe do the show from a studio at least in the same town. Or like have someone there and do it remotely. Like the setup for like the Doug Gottlieb show. And I, in fairness, I didn't actually see him there. I just saw the set was all set up for his show and I was kind of like, should he. Can he just be off for a week from coaching his team in the middle of the season?
Mike Ryan
Everyone.
Dan Le Batard
Is it possible that it was just his people there and not him the way.
Stugotz
It's very possible. I'm going to look into this.
Roy Bellamy
Unprofessional.
Dan Le Batard
Unprofessional.
Stugotz
So the most professional, very professional for one job, unprofessional for the other. Either way, the rare. Quite the bind himself.
Dan Le Batard
The rare. The rare. The rare. Adequately professional by being unprofessional in one venue, but maximum professional in the other venue. 2 and 24. His Green Bay basketball team again has not won a game in three months. Doesn't matter much, it would appear whether he shows up or not.
Mike Ryan
They won on Sunday. Was their first win after losing 21 straight. So they showed. You probably shouldn't be on Radio Row if you've lost 21 in a row. But here we are.
Stugotz
He was there.
Dan Le Batard
I want to confirm. So he was indeed there. That does seem a little bit crazy. What is he doing flying in and out like what?
Chris Cody
Can we praise the work ethic a little bit? It's pretty impressive for one.
Stugotz
The other is weird.
Dan Le Batard
Okay, so he was doing that on Radio Row. I'm about to tell you my racist story. Me being racist about damn time. It has been too long and thank you, Roy. And now I'm scared of it. And I think it's going to under deliver but at. At 11:00 Eastern. So in an hour and 15 minutes I'm trying to decide. You guys helped me decide the best way to do this. You guys do not know this story. You guys do not know the guest. I thought it was two guests because it was somebody and somebody who witnessed it. I thought we were going to get two guests of a sight. Me exposing myself, calling myself out for doing something racist on radio row. And I don't know whether to do it with the reveal of the guest in an hour and 15 minutes or just to do it in the buildup right before the guest joins us so that you can see the punchline of the guest is going to join us who I did the racist thing to. And so how do you guys think is the best way to do this? Because nobody here, we have no information.
Stugotz
So it's very hard to advise you.
Roy Bellamy
I'll make a ruling, write the name of the guest, and I will rule whether or not how it needs.
Stugotz
Well, hold on. Can I give Greg Cody some more backstory? Because I don't. I don't know the story, I don't know the guest. I know that when we had another conversation separate from this, it somehow became connected where we were talking about whether or not Walter Payton played football in socks.
Dan Le Batard
Now those two things aren't connected.
Stugotz
Okay, there's just another one of those.
Chris Cody
Things might not be true.
Dan Le Batard
We. Right.
Stugotz
And we found a lot of pictures of him in socks.
Mike Ryan
No, Dan is racist, so.
Chris Cody
Well, that's true. Rather than know the person, what I need to know is like exactly how racist.
Dan Le Batard
Yeah.
Chris Cody
Because I've been having on air fun with this and it's one of those things that I. All right, we're getting to the point where I kind of need to know.
Dan Le Batard
Coogler's afraid of it. Coogler.
Stugotz
Okay, good. So whose judgment are we following?
Dan Le Batard
No, but Coogler doesn't know the story either. I'm the only one so far with the story. Nobody knows.
Chris Cody
I kind of need to know the levels, the extent of the racism.
Stugotz
Can we tell Roy? Wait, which race did you offend?
Dan Le Batard
I. I offended Roy's race.
Chris Cody
Oh, that's great.
Mike Ryan
Then I'm gonna need Roy to approve this bit.
Stugotz
Yeah, yeah.
Roy Bellamy
Roy's race.
Chris Cody
My people.
Dan Le Batard
Okay.
Stugotz
Within human race.
Dan Le Batard
Within the next hour, I'm going to figure out how to tell. How to tell this story. And I now am scared of it too. But I also feel like because you guys are expecting some sort of horribly overt racism as opposed to what it is that I did, which was an honest mistake, but was also racist, is something I would think that you, you would trust me with the telling of that story.
Stugotz
Well, okay. Does the guest that's coming on know that they were a victim of your racism or are they finding out that you were racist? Towards them.
Dan Le Batard
No, they know they.
Stugotz
Okay, so if they were there together, willing to come on, it could be not that bad. Or the person could be kind of coming on to publicly end you.
Dan Le Batard
Well, yeah, and this. This person is exceedingly kind. I don't think he gets to decide for everybody the ruling on this. Like, he's. He's an exceedingly kind person who met this with exceeding kindness that perhaps I did not merit. But. So I don't. I don't think that that's the way to go.
Stugotz
It sounds like you want it to be really racist. And the person's like, nah, it was cool. And you're like, no, no. Well, I make me racist.
Dan Le Batard
Okay, well, I don't. We'll find out together when I tell the story. And I'm going to. Wait a minute. I'm going to not tell it right now so that I. So that there's both the tease.
Mike Ryan
I'm teased.
Dan Le Batard
Yeah. And also I can discuss it with you in the break so that I can just never speak of it again if it's too bad because I haven' this past anybody.
Roy Bellamy
I have to say, after this buildup, man, there better be a big payday.
Dan Le Batard
Well, but I'm not sure there is. That's the problem. And I think we're already there because we couldn't get this guest when the story happened. And I think teasing it for seven days has overdone it. It's going to nuke the story.
Stugotz
Like you're setting this up, like you burned across someone's lawn.
Dan Le Batard
I don't think the story now will meet expectations. I think it's impossible for that.
Chris Cody
Well, you didn't deny that accusation, right? I would. If I didn't burn a cross, you'd know about it. I'd be like saying it from the hilltop. Did not burn across.
Roy Bellamy
I never have no pillowcase on your head.
Dan Le Batard
No.
Roy Bellamy
Okay, good.
Stugotz
Whoops.
Chris Cody
Is this more societal shift racism or classic type.
Dan Le Batard
I'll come back to it. I'm sorry to wait.
Mike Ryan
Racism.
Dan Le Batard
Yes. No.
Chris Cody
They all look the same.
Dan Le Batard
Dan.
Chris Cody
We can dig ourselves out of this one, boy. We can dig ourselves out of this.
Dan Le Batard
It is exactly on the spectrum of a mean as a waiter. It is. It is that. In fact. In fact, Chris Cody, you have never exhibited quite such genius here because. Yes, now. Now we're here. For those of you who do not know. Now, this happened to me twice at the Clevelander during the course of the things that we're doing every day. Very often I can be lost in my own thoughts now, more than ever, with the amount of things that I'm thinking about every day just don't have anything to do with the doing of the show. Two times in my life I have offended a colleague at the Clevelander because I did not know who they were. And I was supposed to know who they were, and I should have known who they were. So one time I walk into our studio and sitting at a table with a black T shirt that I thought was a Clevelander T shirt, it's somebody eating lunch, eating a sandwich. And I walk right past him and I thought, Amino Hassan, who worked with us as a colleague, has been somebody with us for a long time. I thought he was a Clevelander employee who for some reason was having lunch in our studio who just come in to have lunch. And that's how I saw him from the back. The other time that it happened is I walked right past Diana Rossini in the makeup chair because I thought she was from adjacent deportees that was in the other room for that brief period. And I thought Rossini was Cuban. When I was walking past her, she was getting her hair done. So this is what happened. I'm just going to tell you.
Chris Cody
You see, he's sexist, too, right?
Dan Le Batard
It's not just racism, it's sexism. Sexism as well. So I'm in the convention center, and my wife needs to find a bathroom. And the convention center is vast. The convention center all. Put it on the poll at Lebatard show. Are all convention centers vast? Because they all look the same.
Stugotz
No.
Roy Bellamy
Fine. Cough button.
Chris Cody
Good job.
Roy Bellamy
Thank you. Continue with your story. I downloaded Venmo, by the way.
Stugotz
I'm all hooked up so easy, right?
Roy Bellamy
Damn right.
Stugotz
Hell, yeah.
Roy Bellamy
It empowers me when I see that.
Stugotz
You just want to start sending people money.
Roy Bellamy
When I see that app in my phone, it delights me. It's a beautiful logo.
Stugotz
Yeah.
Roy Bellamy
Great V, blue background.
Dan Le Batard
Can I pay? I'd like to pay. You're not fined for those $5, but you do own. Did you change your code since I. I hacked it last week in an amazing.
Roy Bellamy
You did? Have I changed my number yet?
Dan Le Batard
I could get right back in there. It's so good. Do you know how crazy it is that I was able to find his. That I was able to break into his phone with his number without actually knowing what the number was last week on one try. That's crazy.
Roy Bellamy
The wild.
Stugotz
Yes. Wild Dan Cody.
Roy Bellamy
I venmoed gary the bag $100 just to be kind.
Stugotz
Really?
Roy Bellamy
Yeah.
Stugotz
Did you leave a note? You know you can leave notes.
Roy Bellamy
No, I didn't know that.
Stugotz
Really?
Roy Bellamy
I'm still learning. Yeah, you know, the ins and outs.
Stugotz
So I like you. You're an old dog that does learn new tricks.
Roy Bellamy
I do. Tricking it.
Dan Le Batard
He doesn't, actually. But I am now officially Gary the Bag Dan. I am paying this fine for him right now.
Roy Bellamy
What fine are you doing?
Dan Le Batard
You owe $20 from the last now. I put it in as 20 cents, though.
Stugotz
All right, well, it's been paid. There's nothing we can do.
Roy Bellamy
Can you Venmo less than a dollar? Can you Venmo 20 cents?
Mike Ryan
Yes.
Roy Bellamy
I didn't even know that.
Dan Le Batard
Yes. So here's the story. I'm in the convention center and I'm trying to find a bathroom for my wife. I'm not going to say there's a kiosk. What would I describe this as? It's not quite a table either. It's something very thin that would come up to about chest high. And it's got some brochures on it. So it's not quite a table, but it's. In any convention center, you would find a table that's got information brochures on it.
Chris Cody
I would always refer to that as a kiosk, but it's not. I know what you're talking about.
Dan Le Batard
No, but a kiosk might, excuse me. As thinking somebody works there. That's not what this is. This is. It's a thin table.
Stugotz
It's like a high top.
Dan Le Batard
Like a high top, thin table. And it's got about seven or eight brochures on it. But it's not an information cue with.
Chris Cody
Someone looking like they should have been manning it or woman was.
Dan Le Batard
A man was behind it.
Chris Cody
That's a kiosk.
Dan Le Batard
It's not a kiosk.
Stugotz
Sounds like it was just a bar top table.
Dan Le Batard
Okay. The distinction between a bar top table and a kiosk is an important one because when I stepped back from my racism, I realized that this would not be a kiosk. When I step back from assuming that that person worked there because they were standing behind brochures that were just brochures that you'd grab at any convention center that wouldn't be manned by anybody because there are 50 of them the length of the convention center on where it is. You can go on an alligator boat tour, but it's not. It's not an information desk and it's someone who's on the phone with a. With a Bluetooth and I don't see that they've got an Earbud in. And so I don't. I just see someone standing there in a collared shirt. And so I come to that person and Billy, I lied to you earlier because I didn't want to put both of the stories together and then reveal who it was. Which was former NFL running back and University of Miami running back Jared Payton. Who I've covered who I know.
Stugotz
Who.
Dan Le Batard
Had to pull the phone out of his ear. Had to pull the earbud out of his ear to receive and accept my racism. And then told me his father played without socks.
Roy Bellamy
Wow.
Stugotz
I'm still very confused.
Dan Le Batard
Which part of you.
Stugotz
What did you ask him? Where is there a bathroom?
Dan Le Batard
Yes. Thinking that he worked there. Interrupting his phone call. He's on a business call. He's a businessman.
Stugotz
He's booking tours.
Chris Cody
Did you approach him from the back?
Dan Le Batard
No. From the front.
Mike Ryan
Did you play the game of oh, I knew who you were. That's why I was asking you. Scott, I know you.
Chris Cody
That's. I would. I only quite recognizable like he. He's been around like every Walter Payton man of the year we see. Jared Payton, former Orange Bull mvp.
Dan Le Batard
Well, I will say that my wife's need for a bathroom overtook all ability to recognize people. I had to find her.
Chris Cody
That's not a thing. Throw her under the bus.
Stugotz
Valerie's fault that you might be raped.
Chris Cody
You're doubling down on the sexism.
Roy Bellamy
Too much information.
Chris Cody
You're blaming her.
Stugotz
Did you do like a fake? Like. Ah, I'm just getting Jared.
Dan Le Batard
What?
Mike Ryan
Wait, hold on.
Chris Cody
Did you.
Stugotz
My guy.
Chris Cody
Did you think that excuse through? You've had several days. Your wife's need to go to the bathroom made you not recognize a black person.
Stugotz
The visual of Dan wearing a collared shirt.
Mike Ryan
Dan in like, superhero mode. Like, I am getting my wife to the bathroom.
Stugotz
Out of the.
Mike Ryan
Hey, everyone. I'm Bathroom Man. Sir.
Stugotz
So Jared Payton's coming on to do what exactly?
Dan Le Batard
I don't know. You're going to talk to him about whether his dad wore socks or not. You call him a liar.
Stugotz
Oh, now I'm against you.
Dan Le Batard
You call them a liar. You said you found several photos on the Internet of him wearing socks. We'll just talk to Jerry Payton. I don't know. We'll talk to him.
Stugotz
Maybe he meant he didn't wear socks around the house.
Dan Le Batard
Let's. Let's build out this Bathroom Man. Superhero character.
Mike Ryan
Out of the way, peasants. My wife needs to urinate.
Chris Cody
Deflection.
Stugotz
Even though my wife is a woman. So she doesn't use the bathroom.
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Chris Cody
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Mike Ryan
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Stugotz
You're a Panther group chat.
Mike Ryan
No, I think.
Stugotz
No.
Mike Ryan
But dude, you're so wrong on that. We've been terrified of this team forever and I think there's a different energy where the Panthers, they want the Lightning sts.
Dan Le Batard
I want T shirts made for this Panther run. What could be this Panther run. Our Panther group chat. We're not afraid of the lightning.
Chris Cody
That's a tagline for World Raw 3.
Stugotz
This is the Dan Levatar show with the ST.
Dan Le Batard
Cam Ward has threatened the league that if they don't pick him, he's gonna remember.
Stugotz
Good news is he's gonna get picked.
Dan Le Batard
But if he's not picked first, if he's not picked first.
Chris Cody
Oh, then that's interesting. A little bit. Do you think he gets picked second?
Stugotz
Wow.
Dan Le Batard
If he's not picked first, he's gonna remember. Was that a shot he took at Restrepo?
Chris Cody
Yes, 100%. And I'm glad that it came out, quite honestly, because I wasn't a fan of how Restrepo prepared for that bowl game.
Stugotz
It was bad.
Chris Cody
And Restrepo's got this thing, underdog mentality. Built himself up to all time leading receiver at the University of Miami. But there's a lot of myth building. Guy does a lot of things for likes and, you know, scrappy guy. Everyone's like, must be a big team guy. And I. It wasn't about the NFL. If it was about the NFL, Cam Ward wouldn't have been playing. Cam Ward said directly there were some guys that weren't playing in that bowl game that should have been playing in that bowl game. Cam Ward entered that bowl game against a top five pass defense without three of his four leading receivers. Elijah Arroyo might be a first round pick. He was out there. Cam Ward might be the first overall pick. He was out there. Xavier Restrepo didn't want to be out there. Xavier Restrepo wasn't carrying any injuries. He made the decision and that's, that's fine. But if the number one overall pick potentially is playing, if the guy that helped you get to all time leading receiver status at the University of Miami is playing, I think you kind of owe it to him. And to me, it wasn't about the NFL. It was about the preparation that went into the bowl game. It was about the two weeks that led up to it that Xavier Restrepo didn't want to be a part of. So I'm happy that he got taken to task because I do think Xavier Chappell is going to look back and regret that because the way that he left made people feel a certain kind of way. Like, that's not. That's not the exit we believed in. That's not the myth that we wanted to buy into.
Roy Bellamy
Is skipping a bowl game any better or worse than playing the first half of a bowl game and not the second half?
Chris Cody
Yes, it's a lot worse.
Dan Le Batard
Well, it's a half worse.
Chris Cody
No, it's a lot worse because Cam Ward was not just there for that first half, which was spectacular. He was there with his brothers for two weeks, going to practice, going through the grind, preparing for the bowl game, one last game with his boys. Xavier Richard wasn't really doing any of that. He kind of opted out on all of that. He could have not played and still been around the program and he wasn't, and that's his prerogative. But no one was saying anything. And people kind of knew that this was going on behind the scenes and it was, look, he's entitled again. He's entitled to do what he wants. But I found it disappointing.
Dan Le Batard
You are doing something that a lot of fans are going to do and is going to change this conversation. In fact, I will say that on live air, I got caught in the air and went from right to wrong on. I've always said this about college football, which is, yeah, you don't have to play in that ball game. It's a business decision. And then it dawned on me, well, no, now it's a transaction. That's a professional transaction. And once you do that, I won't have Restrepo go to that huddle for the rah rah punctuation, camaraderie of being team guy that Mike's wants. I know he'd like to believe in that myth. We're all in it together. Those two guys helped each other. Cam Ward helped Restrepo. Restrepo also, I'm sure, believes he helped Cam Ward. I don't know what their actual relationship is. I'm more interested in the business transactions portions of this, because Mike sounds hurt by it. And I understand why. Because if the other guys care enough and Mike's out there defending Cam Ward for playing the half that he played, while everyone watching is expecting the thought process I had on this one, which is, no, play the whole game. Play all of you should play the whole game. That's been the rule for college sports forever. And over the last 10 years, more and more guys have opt out and opted out in a way that anyone can respect and understand the business decision. You Cannot blow out your knee in the last game. But the playing of 1/2 versus not playing at all hurting your feelings. Mike, when you're fighting the Internet on the half that he played because the Internet said they lost the game because he didn't play the second half. If he played the second half, they clearly would have won the game. There wasn't a time that Iowa State was going to stop them going down the field.
Chris Cody
Probably what bothered me the most was Cam became a national topic for not playing a second half when Cam played an entire quarter extra than he was supposed to. Miami. Miami has Carson Beck today because of how they went into that bowl game with the plan they needed to evaluate Emory Williams. They had the best quarterback in the portal come to Miami because of the decision to not play Cam the entire game. Cam played a quarter more than I had heard he was going to play. It's not about that. It's about this guy and a lot of guys on this team in the NIL era putting their foot down saying, all right, these bowl games are going to mean a little bit more. We're not going to be part of the problem. It's kind of like the NBA discussion, pal. We're going to. We're going to actually play. And Cam got villainized nationally for actually playing more. If he hadn't played at all, he wouldn't have gotten an ounce of criticism, really. But the fact that he only played a half made this matter more. Meanwhile, a dude like Xavier Restrepo who just kind of checked out on the entire bull prep process just totally skates by. And I found that really unfair.
Dan Le Batard
Cody says there's no difference between what Restrepo did and what Cam Ward did.
Roy Bellamy
There's a huge difference between the value of a quarterback and the value of a wide receiver, almost no matter who it is. Certainly Restrepo had a great college career. I don't think he's, you know, somebody who's going to be a huge star leading receiver.
Dan Le Batard
Look, okay, we can minimize and dilute Restrepo however it is that you wish to. Leading receiver. In the history of the program, that has produced plenty of good receivers, right? Took him a little more time, but not that much more time. Like was was a prolific receiver. And I understand why he may think he's a first round pick, even if you don't think he's a first round pick, okay?
Roy Bellamy
They be. They win that game without Restrepo. They also win that game if Cam Ward plays the second half. I'm just saying.
Chris Cody
And they'd Be stuck with Emory Williams if Cam Ward does play that second half.
Roy Bellamy
Nobody believes that.
Chris Cody
Nobody believes.
Dan Le Batard
Told you that.
Chris Cody
Telling you that.
Dan Le Batard
He's telling you that from the inside.
Chris Cody
Emory Williams is a quarterback. If you don't get the chance to evaluate him in that bowl game, I'm telling you 100% certain one half, like.
Mike Ryan
Makes their whole decision on that.
Chris Cody
Yeah.
Dan Le Batard
Happens to know. Yeah, he's doing a. Happens to know.
Mike Ryan
I'm not saying you're wrong.
Chris Cody
They entered that game loving. Loving Emory Williams. Loving Emory Williams. Thinking that they would be fine.
Stugotz
Wow.
Chris Cody
I'm telling you. Yes, that second half was that disastrous.
Dan Le Batard
I betray confidence when I say that Mike Ryan, for the last couple of years has been touting how high they were on Emory Williams. And I have seen very little to very little evidence of whatever that high was. But for two years, he's. The thought was that Van Dyke better not sit out too much because he'll never get the job back. That was the appraisal 18 games ago.
Chris Cody
They liked Emory. And look, offensive coordinators fall in love with different guys is how Kirk Cousins made almost like a billion dollars. They like guys that execute the offense. There were plenty of people, boosters and people on the staff that had their questions about it. But people like Shannon Dawson loved Emory Williams, for example, and the entire coaching staff liked Emory Williams. Grit me as someone that was just at practice and watching the games. I didn't really see any kind of special talent. Always wanted to upgrade the position. But I'm telling you that second half was massive. For where Miami finds himself now with Carson Beck. I will tell you also with certainty that the way that Xavier Restrepo checked out on that game was not well received. It felt bad to his teammates. There were a lot of teammates. It felt more like Sam Brown, who also kind of deuced on the team. But whatever, he's Sam Brown. There was just. There were a bunch of guys that knew what they were risking, guys with legitimate NFL prospects that knew what they were risking by even putting the shoulder pads on by. Look, Ken Ward would have liked to have taken two weeks off and prepared for the NFL draft and not have to worry and watch film. But he didn't do that for his teammates. He went out there and then he got vilified by the national media for doing just that, where he could have just been playing golf like some of his other teammates.
Dan Le Batard
I want to know. Chris Cody, I want you to prepare for me, please, because we have a very important distinction to make right now. Mike Ryan, it seems to Me went aggressively from Happen to know. I Happen to know which was the highest form of reporting that he does around here to With Certainty, which seemed like it was a level higher than Happen to Know. I thought Happened to Know was the highest form that there was here, but now there's a With Certainty, and I didn't know there was one of those. Like I thought Happened to Know was the highest range that we went on this particular song. I.
Mike Ryan
But Chris was, I think, two with Certainties.
Chris Cody
I also happen to respect the chain of command because I wasn't going to talk about this until Cam Ward gave me license to.
Stugotz
You were going to talk Pop Tarts.
Chris Cody
Bowl and was not. Was not going to be talking about Xavier Restrepo opting out of a bowl game.
Dan Le Batard
Five straight minutes of Emory Williams license to.
Stugotz
What did you think he did at the convention center?
Dan Le Batard
That's. That's. That is what. What swept through my face and head. As soon as he took out the earpiece. As soon as he took it out, I'm like, what was I thinking here? You're in charge of the brochures that Jared Payton is just. He's going to.
Stugotz
Normally the brochures are just like in a. Like a little compartment, like on a wall. You just take out the ones you want to go to.
Dan Le Batard
I thought Jared Payton was there to offer me an airboat ride.
Stugotz
Okay.
Dan Le Batard
I don't know.
Stugotz
Did you ask him how much it would be or. He didn't look like an airboat captain.
Dan Le Batard
I was just. I was. He actually just said, dan, you know me.
Stugotz
Oh, boy. And then. Oh, boy. And then what went through your head? Because you said, how do I know? An airboat cap. Never been in these parts.
Chris Cody
It's got a very recognizable face. If you covered him for years at the University of Miami, you would remember this guy.
Dan Le Batard
He's lovely, too.
Chris Cody
He's a super nice guy.
Dan Le Batard
Well, my wife, after returning from the bathrooms, procured for her bi. Bathroom man. My wife said, wow, he's sweet. And I'm like, yes, his father was sweet. Miss his father Apple doesn't fall for no. And his father played without socks. And Billy called him a liar.
Stugotz
He did not play without socks. Like, there's clear foot. Unless. Unless for some reason, Walter Payton cut off the actual foot part of his sock. He did not play without socks. He was not playing with leggings on that were painted like socks.
Chris Cody
I also, forgive me, I'm close to 40 years old. I feel like I would have heard about this. I feel like I would have heard about One of the greatest running backs of all time. Not playing with socks.
Stugotz
Okay, look, just do a Google image search for Walter Payton and see if you can find any photos of him running around without socks.
Dan Le Batard
Okay, so we will find out together.
Stugotz
No. We have the answer. I know Jared Payton's a liar.
Dan Le Batard
Okay? We will question it.
Stugotz
Maybe it wasn't Jared Payton. Maybe it was a boat captain.
Chris Cody
Are you serious? That Jared Payton told you this?
Dan Le Batard
Yes.
Chris Cody
Huh.
Roy Bellamy
Could be a Jared Payton impersonator.
Chris Cody
Are you. Yeah. Are you. Hold up now.
Roy Bellamy
A dumblegan?
Chris Cody
Did you even talk to Jared Payton?
Dan Le Batard
And airboat captain, like, that's. That's just. Who looks remarkably like Jared Payton.
Chris Cody
Greg just opened the door to a whole possibility. I hope to God this is actually Jared Payton because. Oh, my God. You didn't recognize him. There is, like, a 40% chance that this is not Jared Payton.
Stugotz
Well, no. Jared Payton, presumably, is actually coming on because I doubt that you asked this person for their phone number. So Jared Payton's coming on. Does he. Does the person that's coming on know the story?
Dan Le Batard
I don't know. We're gonna find out all of this together, and we're gonna find out whether he's a liar, because he did mention to me this person, and he might be a Jared Payton impersonator who has a library of lies that he can tell to make it. Make you think that he's Jared Payton, Son of Walter Payton, one of which is my father played without socks. Which is crazy.
Stugotz
Did he say my father's Walter Payton?
Dan Le Batard
Yes.
Stugotz
Or did you just say my father played without socks?
Roy Bellamy
We need to quiz him.
Mike Ryan
Mine plays without socks.
Chris Cody
He had a big Orange bowl against fsu.
Dan Le Batard
All right, we're gonna.
Chris Cody
Against Florida State.
Stugotz
How many hats did he put time.
Dan Le Batard
All right, he will be on. He will be on in an hour. Billy, I don't think like Mike. You have over 20 years. I will say that one of the great visuals of my life. I will take it. I will take it with me as a forever memory on this show when Mike is talking about something he cares about deeply and you are pretending to care next to him.
Stugotz
Not pretending. You're trying to sow seeds of division here that I'm not gonna allow. This is how you tried to break apart the Payton family. And it's not gonna happen here.
Dan Le Batard
Fair enough. So you tell me where I have what I'm going to allege wrong, and I will withdraw my criticism on what I believe to be the gleam in your eye that I can recognize that I have a fluency in that I don't believe anybody else has a fluency in you. So had no interest in Emory Williams talk?
Stugotz
No, I mean, it's for someone. Maybe not me, but it's for someone. Someone's getting something out of it. So I'm not here to, you know, boo other people's. You know, whatever that saying is. It is fairly yuck other people's yums. That's it. Thank you, Roy.
Chris Cody
It is fairly amazing that that second half was so disastrous that Miami changed their entire plan for that position.
Roy Bellamy
Hard to believe.
Stugotz
Great MVP trophy for the Orange bowl just filled with oranges. Incredible.
Dan Le Batard
And their defensive coordinator got fired for that. Or just the whole season. If we're making our evaluations in a.
Mike Ryan
Half now, like openly saying our entire process for decision making on this player is how he does in two quarters.
Roy Bellamy
Yeah. Ridiculous.
Chris Cody
No, I'm like, it was very decidedly pro Emery. And then after that half, everyone kind of knew. Everyone kind of knew.
Roy Bellamy
But isn't it true Carson Beck was eager, to say the least, to come here largely because his girlfriend plays on the women's basketball team? He wanted to come here.
Dan Le Batard
Yeah. I'm not.
Chris Cody
I'm not doubting that. He also declared for the NFL draft.
Roy Bellamy
Right.
Chris Cody
But changed his mind just like Cam Ward did.
Roy Bellamy
It's hard to believe that Mario Cristobal is going to turn down an accomplished, proven college quarterback for Emory Williams.
Chris Cody
I would say he didn't know about Carson Beck at the time. Carson Beck was talked about as possible solutions. Mario Crispball hadn't spoken to Carson Beck. Carson Beck wasn't in the port.
Dan Le Batard
I will tell you, okay, that you have more information than me. And so I'm just using the information you're giving me to arrive at the assessment that if your results driven and you care about process. What you just described to me, Mike, is pretty terrible process. To love every Williams for a year and a half. And then all of a sudden when you've got to replace the best offensive performer at that position I've ever seen, and you're like, our evaluation was this guy was good a half ago and he's no longer good. That if that's. You're going to have to give me more information for me to trust that process.
Chris Cody
Is it because every single one of you guys came away with the same impression of Emory Williams, like, oh, if Miami goes.
Dan Le Batard
I never thought he was good, though.
Mike Ryan
And the coach more than me.
Chris Cody
Well, isn't that where you're at?
Mike Ryan
Like, your coaches are supposed to know more than you if they're like, all in on Emory Williams. And then one half of football changes it. I'm a football fan, I'm not a coach.
Chris Cody
I mean, it was pretty obvious to everybody that Miami's defense was a mess and that changes need to be made. So sometimes, like, you're not. Sometimes not being super close to it actually helps you. Like, they. The staff liked Emory Williams. And the staff saw the precipitous fall between Cam Ward, a potential number one pick, and Emory Williams. Granted, it wasn't a fair. It wasn't a fair situation for Emory Williams to jump into not having many receivers, but it was obvious. And yes, if Emory Williams goes out and plays well in that second half and Miami wins that football game, Emory Williams is in all likelihood. I think you're starting quarterback next season.
Dan Le Batard
Yeah, I'm sorry, Billy. What notes are you taking now?
Stugotz
I just wrote, ew. Emory Williams.
Mike Ryan
You can't please you, Dan.
Stugotz
I mean, yeah. I mean, what do you want to do? I'm just. Yeah, I'm trying to pay attention. I really just want to ask Greg about orange juice. Because you're talking about the Orange bowl and the Syracuse Orange. Are you a Juice fan? You saw me as a juice man?
Roy Bellamy
No. I find orange juice to be too. Too tart or too sweet. I've never had an orange juice that walks that line.
Stugotz
Really.
Roy Bellamy
You know, it's one extreme or the other. By the way, thank God Cam Ward had a good first quarter in his first game, or else they might have benched him.
Stugotz
That's why they call him Cam Quarter.
Roy Bellamy
Exactly.
Stugotz
You know what I.
Mike Ryan
My dad's a tuned liquid man. By the way, coffee and beer.
Stugotz
If you ever juice your own orange juice. Surprising how useless oranges are. You gotta juice like eight oranges to get a glass of orange juice. It's incredibly wasteful. They don't produce any juice. That's why the price of orange juice is. When you go to some restaurants, like, $4. This seems steep. It's like. No, you got. That was like 12 oranges to make that one glass of orange juice crazy.
Dan Le Batard
You're just doing silly talk.
Stugotz
But no, I'm a juice man and I'm concerned about this economy and the fruits.
Dan Le Batard
Juice man, I will say, in Billy's defense, I will say on behalf of people listening to this right now who have daily unhappinesses that are surrounding price of things and the inability to afford things and the skyrocketing inflation.
Stugotz
Taking some liberty here within Billy's defense, because I don't know where this is going. Just get out on the front end. I don't know where we're going.
Dan Le Batard
I'll tell you right now.
Stugotz
We're on this journey together.
Chris Cody
I just wrote down eggs.
Dan Le Batard
Let's get to. Ew.
Stugotz
Eggs, dude. Eggs. And I'm not gonna do it again because I've done it over time. Limes out of control. Out of control.
Roy Bellamy
Yeah.
Stugotz
Strawberries going down.
Dan Le Batard
I paid $10 for a small glass of fresh juice that had some things in it that should have cost one because of where the price of these things is going.
Mike Ryan
Yeah, but the places you go.
Dan Le Batard
No, no, this is just.
Stugotz
No, this was the places you go.
Dan Le Batard
I'm just on the beach. I'm just.
Stugotz
Well, exactly.
Chris Cody
That's the beach.
Stugotz
That's exactly right.
Dan Le Batard
It's outdoors. It's an outdoor market. It's an outdoor market. It's not a fancy place. It's just a. It's an outdoor place where they're selling produce.
Chris Cody
Farmers markets are expensive.
Roy Bellamy
Everybody knows that.
Dan Le Batard
Again, it's $10, though. Yes. I'm not saying that all glasses of juice are $10, but when Billy says that the orange is useless because you need eight oranges really do to make an orange juice, he's not wrong.
Mike Ryan
I feel like I could get a glass of orange juice. Give me, like, three oranges.
Stugotz
No, I'm telling you, you'll get, like, two shot glasses with three oranges. They're surprisingly useless. And there's also specific oranges that. That are made for juicing. Like, you have to look up which oranges should I buy for juicing? Because I guess they're juicier than other oranges because some clementines. Get out of here. Here.
Dan Le Batard
Why are you flexing, Chris Cody, as if you could get more juice out of an orange than the average weak man?
Mike Ryan
I think I could.
Stugotz
I was using a juicer, a machine that's made to juice this orange. You put it on the thing, it goes, and then it shoots it out. Pulp is a problem, if we're going to be honest with you. The pulp gets in the way. So then you have to go after every couple things, you take out all the pulp because that starts clogging up the juicing machine. But.
Chris Cody
Yeah. Are you a. Some pulp guy?
Mike Ryan
I like some pulp.
Chris Cody
I was just about to say I like some pulp. No pro pulp. No bipolar. I like to bite the pulp a little bit.
Stugotz
Really?
Chris Cody
It's like a little explosion. Citrus.
Stugotz
You could probably put it inside your mouth like you do with zing.
Roy Bellamy
We're pulp people.
Dan Le Batard
Put it on the poll, please. At lebatard show. No pulp. Little pulp or Max pulp in your orange juice. And can we get someone out there, please, to go run and get us eight oranges to see how much juice Chris Cody can actually produce, squeezing them with his man boobs the way that he was when he was doing calisthenics.
Chris Cody
Also, do you think the like. Because I actually don't take Zins.
Stugotz
Wait, hold on a second. How are you planning on juicing this orange with your bare hands?
Dan Le Batard
That's what he's saying.
Mike Ryan
Well, the way I've seen it done is you have a contraption where you're squeezing it down. We don't have that here. I can.
Stugotz
There's hand juicers.
Dan Le Batard
He was doing it physically.
Mike Ryan
I was stretching to do it. You're talking about ripping these apart and just cut it in half. And we're squeezing with our hands the juice. Like them.
Dan Le Batard
I'll give you eight orange juice.
Mike Ryan
I'll feed us all orange juice with eight oranges.
Stugotz
No, no.
Mike Ryan
Maybe at least three big glasses. Eight oranges.
Dan Le Batard
What? No.
Stugotz
Well, you just said you'd feed 30.
Dan Le Batard
People with just your hands. Billy is saying the correct thing that you will not be able. What is. Who's.
Stugotz
It's shocking how little juice comes out of oranges. Like, you. Like, my wife is getting sick or whatever, and she's like, oh, I would like, you know, some fresh orange juice. And you call a place, and it's like. Like, it's 4.99. You're like, that seems like a lot. Like, I could buy a juicer on Amazon for, like, $14 and just juice these oranges myself. And then I realize how quickly you go through these orange.
Mike Ryan
They get you with these tiny cups, though, of orange juice. Little cups.
Chris Cody
I like those.
Mike Ryan
When you go to. When you go to, like, little breakfast. Breakfast joints.
Stugotz
Juice. And if there's pulp in there, it's really just kind of juice in the juice. You know what I mean? Like, it's elevating how much juice. It's like ice. Pulp is ice for.
Chris Cody
Orange juice has essentially become what Google and Zoom is. If I hand you a nicotine pouch, it's.
Stugotz
Even if it's not like a band aid.
Chris Cody
Like, yeah, I don't take. I don't actually do. I prefer others in the market, but.
Stugotz
It'S enough of the juice.
Chris Cody
Are you worried about microplastics just anywhere or your. Well, after that study on the testicles came out, I was like, okay, let me do something about this. And then apple pectin is a part of my Body.
Stugotz
Wait, what did you do?
Chris Cody
Apple pectin. Apple pectin?
Stugotz
What is that?
Chris Cody
Apple pectin has shown an ability to gather all the foreign substances in your body and extract them. It's what they gave the kids in Chernobyl. Apple pectin. If you're worried about microplastics, I also don't use black plastic. That's not why you. Whoa.
Dan Le Batard
That.
Stugotz
I also don't use black.
Chris Cody
I'm also not going to use black. People. People like what? What? Just worried about the black Rubbermaid thing. It's tough. The chopping boards. The plastic chopping boards did away with that. It's all wood now.
Dan Le Batard
Wood.
Chris Cody
Kitchen utensils, wood cutting boards. I'm all in on that. I am a little worried about the no stick frying pan because it's got a little. I read something. Two million microplastics.
Mike Ryan
But you still need a plastic straw.
Chris Cody
Yes, that I do.
Roy Bellamy
Oh, ridiculous. Go back to paper straws. I mean, plastic straw.
Mike Ryan
Sound like us in Canada.
Roy Bellamy
Well, you know what? That's. Don't get me started on that. By the way. Put on the poll.
Chris Cody
There are no turtles in Montreal.
Roy Bellamy
Put on your poll. You approve of the price hike of eggs? Because I defend the price hike of eggs. Okay. I'm in Publix the other day. I wander by the egg aisle. I see the eggs are, I think, $6.49 or $5.99 or something sizable, hut warranted. Okay. Respect the chicken. They do a lot of work. You know, I mean, eggs. Eggs are. You can cook them four or five different ways. They're all great. Eggs have been underpriced for years. Let's quit complaining about the price of eggs.
Stugotz
I think the price is up because there's, like a bird flu. And they had to kill a bunch of the chickens so there's less supply.
Roy Bellamy
Yeah, but that. That doesn't start with the chickens, right?
Stugotz
Really?
Roy Bellamy
The bird flu emanates from non chicken birds flying overhead, dropping all their stuff, and that infects the chickens. Chickens get a bad rap. People think bird flu started with chicken.
Stugotz
What did it start with?
Roy Bellamy
It starts with McGill. Will. Will back me up on this?
Stugotz
Not today.
Chris Cody
It's not in today.
Roy Bellamy
Okay. You got a crow flying overhead. The crow takes a shit. The crow has bird flu. He takes a dump. It hits a chicken. Or the chicken pecks the dung on the ground after it. After it heats up a little bit.
Stugotz
Classic chicken or an egg situation. It sounds like.
Roy Bellamy
Right?
Mike Ryan
Mike's chicken.
Greg Cody
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Dan Le Batard
Read.
Greg Cody
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Chris Cody
Yep.
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Podcast Summary: The Big Suey: Dan Is A Racist And Sexist
Podcast Information:
The episode begins with typical early segments featuring advertisements and light-hearted conversation among the hosts. Stugotz humorously promotes Venmo services, while Dan and Chris Cody engage in playful banter about financing a car through Carvana—highlighting the ease and transparency of the process.
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After the initial lighter exchanges, the conversation shifts towards more substantial topics. Billy Corben introduces “The Big Suey,” setting the stage for the episode's main themes. Dan jokes about his pretense of racism and sexism, prompting the hosts to collectively acknowledge the gravity of the upcoming discussion.
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Dan openly addresses accusations of racism and sexism, revealing his intention to share a personal story. He grapples with how to present this narrative, contemplating whether to involve a guest who was affected by his actions.
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Dan recounts two instances where he failed to recognize colleagues at the Clevelander, leading to inadvertent racial and sexist offenses. He introduces the guest, Jared Payton, a former NFL and University of Miami running back, who became the subject of his actions. The discussion includes humorous skepticism about Jared’s honesty regarding his father's football attire.
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The hosts debate the best approach to reveal and discuss Dan’s story, considering the potential reactions and the nuances of the offense. They explore whether the narrative should be a confession or a setup for a guest confrontation.
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The conversation shifts to Miami’s football team, specifically criticizing Xavier Restrepo for opting out of a bowl game and contrasting his actions with Cam Ward’s commitment. The hosts express disappointment in the decision-making processes affecting team performance and player evaluations.
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Injecting humor into the episode, the hosts engage in a light-hearted discussion about the rising prices of orange juice, debating the efficiency of juicing methods and the economic factors influencing produce costs. This segment provides a comedic relief from the heavier topics previously discussed.
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The episode concludes with more advertisements interspersed with the hosts’ final humorous exchanges about everyday annoyances, such as the high cost of fresh juice and juicing techniques. The light-hearted tone serves to balance the serious discussions held earlier in the show.
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Accountability and Self-Reflection:
Impact of Personal Actions in Professional Settings:
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Humor as a Coping Mechanism:
In this episode, Dan Le Batard bravely confronts accusations of racism and sexism, sharing personal stories that reveal the complexity of unintentional bias. The hosts engage in candid discussions about accountability, the consequences of actions in both personal and professional spheres, and the intersection of sports and ethical decision-making. By blending serious introspection with humor, the episode offers a comprehensive exploration of sensitive issues while maintaining an engaging and relatable dialogue for listeners.
Overall, "The Big Suey: Dan Is A Racist And Sexist" serves as a multifaceted episode that challenges both the hosts and the audience to reflect on personal biases and the broader impacts of individual actions within community and professional environments.