The Big Suey: Dave Mixes Up His Whities

Summary

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Podcast Summary

Podcast: The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Episode: The Big Suey: Dave Mixes Up His Whities
Date: October 30, 2025
Recording Location: Elser Hotel, Downtown Miami
Main Cast: Dan Le Batard, Stugotz, Juju Gotti, Dave Damaschek, Zaslow, Tony Reali, Mike Ryan

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Episode Overview

This episode of "The Big Suey" finds Dan, Stugotz, and the crew at their playful, provocative best, exploring the chaotic state of college football, the precarious nature of coaching legacies, and the absurdity that often defines both sports and their own workspace. Lively debates, nostalgia, biting one-liners, and pop culture references abound as the team weaves through topics like coaching buyouts, legacy tarnishers, regional recruitment fantasies, and the continued shake-up of power in the college football landscape.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. College Football Chaos: Unprecedented Early-Season Firings

[02:04 - 06:21]

• Stugotz highlights how a remarkably high number of big-name college football programs have already seen coaching vacancies before Halloween, citing schools like Oklahoma State, UCLA, Virginia Tech, Arkansas, LSU, Penn State, and Florida.
• The group reacts to Louisiana’s Governor Jeff Landry publicly stating he, not the LSU AD, will choose LSU’s next coach—a level of political involvement they find both wild and deeply "Louisiana."
  • Notable quote:

    "It’s exactly the way I want my governor of Louisiana sounding... 'I’m gonna make this hire'" – Stugotz [04:38]

• Dave Damaschek draws a parallel to the movie "Road House," enjoying the movie-like chaos:

  • “It’s great. It’s sort of like Brad Wesley in Roadhouse. He plays by his own set of laws. Well, I’m gonna call the cops. He owns them too.” – Damaschek [05:05]

2. Regional Rivalry & the Idea of State-Based Recruitment

[06:27 - 08:47]

• Damaschek proposes a "State Olympics" for college football, suggesting schools should only recruit in-state players—as a way to restore “regionality” to college sports.
• Juju Gotti explains the historical precedent: the old-fashioned “territorial pick,” arguing these rules were ultimately a detriment.

  • "That’s a dumb system, man. Let’s let the players play anywhere." – Juju Gotti [08:13]

• Zaslow admits as a kid he thought pro athletes had to be from the city they played for, which the group roasts lovingly.

3. Bill Belichick & Phil Jackson: Legacy Tarnished?

[13:10 - 27:31]

• Dan introduces news about Phil Jackson’s new book, focusing on his broken relationship with Carmelo Anthony and how he “ran the Knicks into the ground.”
• Debate pivots to Bill Belichick’s shrinking reputation as his coaching struggles mount, especially post-Brady.
  • Damaschek argues Belichick’s legacy is now “really wrecked”—

    ”He was really playing at the fringes when the bulk of the work was being carried by [Brady].” – Damaschek [21:13]

  • Juju Gotti: “Both of them are proof you can tarnish your legacy. Nothing is untarnishable if you f up as much as they did.” [19:32]
• Tony Reali pushes back, crediting Belichick for defensive prowess in the Patriots’ early Super Bowls:

  • “Brady wasn’t coaching the defensive side of the ball, though. So like, there has to be some sort of... Belichick did something.” [21:43]

• The group distinguishes Phil Jackson’s multi-team, multi-superstar NBA success from Belichick’s reliance on one iconic QB.

4. How Much of a Coach’s Success Is Their Talent?

[27:31 - 27:47, 27:56 - 29:31]

• Discussion about which coaches have succeeded without superstars. Larry Brown’s Pistons stand out as a rare exception; otherwise, coaches like Phil Jackson and Belichick benefited from generational talents.
• Stugotz proposes a thought experiment to identify truly “unimpeachable” coaches who succeeded with less-than-elite talent. Joe Gibbs and Rick Carlisle are mentioned.

5. Lighter Moments: Mix-ups, Costumes, and Signature Silliness

[29:05 - 32:12]

• Dave Damaschek mixes up “Whitey Ford” and “Whitey Herzog,” leading to the episode’s titular “mix-up of his whities.” Everyone piles on:

  • “Can’t get your whities wrong. Get your whities right.” – Stugotz [29:31]

  • “Your whities need to be more tidy.” – Juju Gotti [29:39]

• The hosts rib one another about the physical and emotional difficulty of keeping up with all the in-studio costume changes during “costume season.” Stugotz details his own struggles with costume-induced headaches.
• A running bit about “breakfast flan” leads to Juju Gotti singing a jingle:

  • “I wish I had some breakfast flan. Where can I find a breakfast like that?” – Juju Gotti [34:34]

6. SEC Power Dynamics & the True Value of “Sneaky Decent”

[34:58 - 43:18]

• Stugotz claims the SEC is “exposed” this year; Alabama and Georgia don’t feel dominant, and schools like Mississippi State keep hanging around despite their poor records.
• Zaslow dubiously champions Mississippi State as “sneaky decent”—

  • “Sneaky decent team, even though they haven’t won a conference game in two years... I know it sounds stupid.” – Zaslow [35:49]

• The crew turns this into a running gag, with Stugotz suggesting Zaslow put “Mississippi State 2025: Sneaky decent team” on his tombstone [37:07].
• The discussion bleeds into a critique of the huge sums spent on coaching buyouts:

  • “Between three guys, [it’s] been $170 million that have been fired... that’s a quarter billion.” – Tony Reali [44:30]

  • “You’d rather spend it on players—in the pros you wouldn’t be telling me to go spend the money on the coach.” – Stugotz [44:56]

7. Legacies After Sport: Are Owners Exempt from Critique?

[38:01 - 39:36]

• The hosts note Michael Jordan's abysmal record as an NBA owner hasn't affected his status as an all-time great.
  • Juju Gotti: “He’s excellent. And I’m not going to stand here and have you just disparage the good name of the greatest to ever lace them up.” [38:38]
• Damaschek argues that Mario Lemieux is actually the most significant one-franchise legend in North American sports due to his post-playing career as a team-saving Penguins owner.

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Memorable Quotes & Moments

College Football Chaos:

• "It’s exactly the quotes I want to hear... I’m gonna make this hire. With a bunch of important people. I just have never seen that happen before." – Stugotz [04:38]

On Legacies:

• "Both of them are proof that you can tarnish your legacy. Nothing is untarnishable." – Juju Gotti [19:32]
• "He was really playing at the fringes when the bulk of the work was being carried by [Brady]." – Damaschek [21:13]

“Sneaky Decent” vs. Excellence:

• “Mississippi State decent. What was the other thing that you said sucked? ... I think there were three sucks." – Stugotz [37:40]
• "Mississippi State 2025: Sneaky Decent Team. Why would you want that on your tombstone?" – Stugotz [37:15]

On the Value of Coaching:

• "If I'm in the pros, you wouldn't be telling me to go spend the money on the coach... you'd be telling me to spend the money on players." – Stugotz [44:56]

Costume Fatigue:

• "You're supposed to be an expert. Look at you. You gotta be an expert in Whitey, Dave." – Stugotz [29:31]

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Important Timestamps

• [02:04] – Stugotz lists high-profile college football coaching firings.
• [04:38] – Stugotz praises governor’s "movie" involvement in LSU hiring.
• [06:27] – Damaschek proposes "State Olympics" and in-state-only recruitment for college football.
• [13:10] – Dan introduces Phil Jackson’s new book and legacy discussion.
• [19:32] – Juju Gotti: "Both of them are proof you can tarnish your legacy."
• [21:13] – Damaschek: Belichick’s legacy tied to Brady, not as impressive solo.
• [27:31] – Coaches discussed who have championships without superstar players.
• [29:31] – Stugotz criticizes Damaschek for “mixing his Whities.”
• [34:34] – Juju Gotti sings the "breakfast flan" jingle.
• [35:49] – Zaslow: Mississippi State is “sneaky decent.”
• [44:30] – Tony Reali cites $170 million in coaching buyouts this season.

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Closing Notes

This episode delivers a classic Le Batard blend: thoughtful sports debate, playful ribbing, cultural references, and a healthy skepticism toward both sports institutions and themselves. From college football’s shifting power structure to the fleeting nature of sports legacies and carnival-level in-studio antics, listeners get a full buffet of insight, hilarity, and honest takes—“sneaky decent” or otherwise.

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Transcript

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[Stugotz]

Welcome to the Big Sui presented by DraftKings. Why are you listening to this show? The podcast that seems very similar to the other Dan LeBatard podcast?

[Dave Damaschek]

I'm sorry.

[Stugotz]

I'm not going to apologize for that. In fact, the only difference seems to be this imaging. I have been tempted in restaurants just walking past tables to grab somebody's fries that if they're just there. That hasn't happened to you guys. I've done it. And now here's the Marching man to Nowhere Fat Face and the Habitual Liar.

[Zaslow]

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[Stugotz]

We are attempting to get David Sampson's audio fixed and he will be with us in moments if we do get it fixed. In the interim, I wanted to ask you guys about some of the things happening in college football that I believe don't have a precedent. But you tell me if you think I have this wrong, because in a couple of places I was looking and I'm like, man, this doesn't seem normal that before Halloween you would have the following jobs come open at schools of some repute. Oklahoma State, ucla, Virginia Tech, Arkansas, lsu, Penn State, Florida. That seems like a ton before, like in the middle of the season buyouts. Those are all, you know, programs that coaches would want the jobs. And then the other story that I saw that I was like, that none of that can be real, but it's real. LSU's governor is just saying, oh, no, the LSU ad is not picking the next coach. Absolutely not. He's not picking the next coach. While Ed Orgeron is talking to the morning show at espn, unsportsmanlike and saying not only I'll come back, I just got to go get my truck. I'll come back as Lane Kiffin's assistant if you want me to. Like, that seems like just total chaos, all of that. And. And we're halfway through the season. I have not seen. Obviously you haven't seen that. With the governor and Edward Giron fresh off his championship looking. Looking better all of a sudden now that they fired Brian Kelly. But that's an in of good jobs to have open big programs.

[Tony Reali]

Dana, when you say LSU's governor, you mean the governor of Louisiana is saying that. When you say governor, like, I'm an NBA mind, I think the owner. And then like LSU has a governor of the football program.

[Zaslow]

And he also referenced Dan, the governor, when talking about why the AD is not going to make that choice. He referenced. He's also the one who hired Jimbo Fisher at Texas A and M and they had to pay him all that money. It's like, this guy sucks.

[Stugotz]

You. You have used sucks a great deal over the course of the first minutes of this show. The governor's name, and it is the governor of Louisiana is Jeff Landry and the ad is Scott Woodward. And Scott Woodward's not responsible for the extension that has the buyout with Jimbo Fisher, but he is responsible for initially hiring Jimbo Fisher for an enormous amount of money.

[Juju Gotti]

That governor, by the way, great accent.

[Dan Le Batard]

Oh, my goodness, Luke, you're gonna say thin ass.

[Stugotz]

Not only a great accent, Juju. It's exactly the way that I want my governor of Louisiana sounding. And it's exactly the quotes I want to hear him giving when he Sundays, oh, the ad is not making this higher. I'm gonna make this Higher. With a bunch of important people. I just have never seen that happen before. Have any of you seen it happen before where the. The governor of a state comes out and says, no, my program, not the athletic director's program.

[Dave Damaschek]

I love it. I think this is a lot of fun in our homogenous society ever more so. It's great. It's sort of like Brad Wesley in Roadhouse. He plays by his own set of laws. Well, I'm gonna call the cops. He owns them too. That's great. That makes it more fun, right? It turns it into a movie.

[Juju Gotti]

I know what homogenous means, but Chris was struggling with it. Can you break that down, bro?

[Dave Damaschek]

No idea. I heard. I heard Amin say it a while ago and thought I would sound smart.

[Juju Gotti]

And I'm gonna get richer.

[Zaslow]

I mean, Dan, you've never heard a governor talk this how the governor is talking about the current ad quote, we are not going down a failed path. And I want to tell you something. This a pattern. The guy that's here now. What are you saying?

[Juju Gotti]

By name.

[Zaslow]

The guy that's here now that wrote the contract cost Texas A and M70 some million dollars. Right now we have a $53 million liability. We're not doing that again. And you know what? I believe we're going to find a great coach.

[Stugotz]

Well, that sounded more like Zaslow than it sounded like the. The Cajun accent of the governor of Louisiana. That just sounded like the way you say Thai food. I don't think you were. You were. You weren't very deep in character on the Louisiana accent there.

[Zaslow]

I want to tell you something. This is a pattern.

[Stugotz]

No, it's getting worse.

[Zaslow]

No, I was just emphasizing. I wasn't trying to do an accent. Just make sure everybody heard me.

[Dave Damaschek]

Regionality is great. It's been taken away from college sports. It's why they mean more to the players than being a professional athlete. And we need to get back to that. And I'll go extreme. What this reminds me of is my old idea that you should only be able to recruit guys from your state. Let's see who the best state is in college football. Let's see who the best state is for basketball and so on. As these Olympics approach. What if the NFL required that only people for, you know, the original six in the NHL for 25 years. I mean, people talk about the original six as though it was a funny little chapter in sports. It was a quarter century, there were six teams, and the Canadiens won the majority of the Stanley Cups. Why? Because you had negotiated six Teams. Well, but why then did the Rangers never win Stanley Cups? It's because you had negotiating rights with players within I think a 50 mile radius of city center. Which is, which is hysterical and fascinating. And I don't know how anybody ever went to games in New York except for the novelty of it. But you knew you had no chance of ever winning. But setting that aside, yes, I would love a state Olympics. Let's do that. Let's see what is the best sports state. And at minimum, what if you did that with the NFL that you could own that you. I mean, Miami would do well and so would Los Angeles. And yes, I mean, what they.

[Stugotz]

Thank you. Thank you, Dave. What?

[Juju Gotti]

What Dave is talking about is from the olden days, the territorial pick. That's how the Royals would move from Rochester to Cincinnati. Got Oscar Robinson. It wasn't because, like they were the worst team.

[Stugotz]

Whatever.

[Juju Gotti]

It's because, hey, like, he lives here, so he goes there. Same thing with the Philadelphia Warriors. Getting Wilt Chamberlain is like, yeah, because he's from Philly, so he gets to play here. The idea was that, like, you could drum up local support if the hometown kid is there. But we found out later on that's a dumb system, man. Let's let the players play anyway.

[Zaslow]

Man, I can't be the only one who thought this. When I was a kid growing up, I thought thought that the teams you had to be from that city to play on that team.

[Juju Gotti]

You're absolutely right. You are that dumb.

[Zaslow]

No one else thought that.

[Juju Gotti]

Grown up.

[Stugotz]

Put it on the poll at Lebatard show. When you were growing up, did you think that the players from your local professional team had to all be from that city? Yes or no? As I'm looking in the corner of our show today and seeing this particular section of the Metal Arc Media Network, Le Batard and Friends Network. I don't believe that any entity that talks or makes things for a living has two people more different than Dave Damaschek. Football America and Juju Gotti. Alley oop. I believe that between the two of them we have two people who are wildly different. One of them perpetually referencing movies from the 1970s. It is not juju. It is Dave Damaschek. If you want movies like Heaven Can Wait and other coverage of movies from the 70s. Football America. Monday and Fridays for you. Alley Oop. Whenever important basketball things happen.

[Dave Damaschek]

Tell me Roadhouse was almost released in the 90s. Dan wasn't a 70s, it was 1989.

[Stugotz]

Please, Dave, I'm gonna need to get you some help. Okay. One thing you need to stop doing is interrupting Amin. Another thing you have to stop doing is saying amin here. You can talk like. We'll handle that part. All right? Just allow us to handle the part where we're talking when we're supposed to talk.

[Juju Gotti]

I find it quite charming.

[Zaslow]

I like it too.

[Stugotz]

Giving you permission to talk.

[Juju Gotti]

Yes. The gentleman across the aisle. I felt like I was in Congress.

[Dave Damaschek]

Way more concerned about staying on the right side of Cash Patel. No offense, Dan.

[Stugotz]

He's not Cash Patel anymore. He's out of. You've got to. You got to keep up here with his costume changes.

[Juju Gotti]

I'm intrepid journalist Amino hasn't working on stories Uncovered truths with Pablo Torre, who's coming on later on the show. Thank you, Pablo.

[Stugotz]

Pablo is coming on later in the show. Have we lost David Sampson for good? We're trying to get his audio right. The Pablo Torre finds out has also been covering a lot that's Belichick related. And I just wanted to read you guys the quote from Belichick because one of the Pablo Torre find out, finds out Reports recently was doing a deep dive on Mike Lombardi that I think a lot of people are gonna find super interesting. He's just doing stuff that nobody else is doing. And Belichick is objecting to a number of different things that are coming out about his team. And the quote that he's given here recently, he just lost in overtime to Virginia. Virginia's played three overtime games this season. Belichick lost going for a two point conversion at the end in overtime quote. I'm sure there's a lot of other people that want to get clicks and views and posts on my face or whatever, but it's just a bunch of garbage, end quote. This is his move, right? To just call it my face all over. Just to keep merging missive, MySpace, facetime, Instagram. But I think. I think that's the. I think that's the first time he's gone my face. I think he's done. He hasn't done Insta Talk, but he's done a number of them. I think my face is not something that's made in a appearance before. Your thoughts, Zaslow, because you've been. You were at North Carolina.

[Dave Damaschek]

I was.

[Juju Gotti]

I was.

[Zaslow]

Wait. I was listening, like hearing whispers of scandal. I didn't hear anything, though.

[Dan Le Batard]

I have an update from David, by the way. He wrote everything is broken. Bleep it. I'm furious. Good vibes from David this morning.

[Stugotz]

I mean, he's. Yeah, I Feel bad.

[Dan Le Batard]

I saw him. He was struggling.

[Stugotz]

He's having a tough time. He's making time that he does not have for our show. And then he can't get his equipment to work. And he's. He's just going through it in a way that's just unholy. I feel super bad for everything that's happening with David Sampson. You can check out nothing Personal as he continues to work through really horrific heartbreak and pain because he really does care about his audience. Amin, I wanted to talk to you about the Phil Jackson news that came out yesterday where he was talking about, among other things, because he's selling a book here. And I don't know how much damage Phil Jackson did to his legacy at the end, but it is hard to go from winning as many championships as he did to being the guy who falls asleep on the subway and runs the Knicks into the ground. And they only get repaired after he leaves. And the quotes that were excerpted from his book are about how the relationship with Carmelo Anthony was totally unsalvageable, unfixable, and that he just decided to up and go because they couldn't get along.

[Juju Gotti]

Yeah. So the book, by the way, which is called Masters of the Game, a conversational history of the NBA in 75 legendary players. So it's not about his Knicks tenure, but the excerpts that have come out via the New York Post are obviously the Knick related stuff. And it's disparaging to Carmelo. It's making it seem like the relationship was broken largely because of Carmelo. Carmelo, for his part, he thinks Phil Jackson is the reason why he didn't finish his career as a Knick. He said, I wanted to stay and they pushed me out. Jim Dolan and the owner of the Knicks and Phil Jackson had a very specific conversation about we need to trade Carmelo Anthony if we're going to rebuild this thing. So it's, it's like, I wouldn't say it's shocking. It's kind of what we kind of already assumed happened, but it's just a little bit more detail from Phil Jackson's perspective.

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[Stugotz]

Don LeBatard. Doesn't matter anywhere.

[Juju Gotti]

We could do it in Buffalo or Baltimore either. He said you could do it where?

[Stugotz]

Anywhere.

[Juju Gotti]

Oh, whoa. Oh. That's crazy.

[Stugotz]

That's crazy. That's crazy. He could do it anywhere. That's crazy. Murder.

[Juju Gotti]

Murder.

[Stugotz]

Tell him, Stugach.

[Mike Ryan]

I had no idea. Mean had that in his locker.

[Juju Gotti]

That might be his best.

[Stugotz]

That's crazy. I'm not kidding.

[Juju Gotti]

That's crazy.

[Zaslow]

Killer.

[Juju Gotti]

It's two America's dead.

[Stugotz]

You don't get it.

[Zaslow]

This is the Dan lebatar show with the stugats.

[Stugotz]

I was mentioning before because Bill Simmons was super defensive on behalf of the legacy of Bill Belichick and that Bill Belichick's legacy will not be impacted by this ending. Because history doesn't remember the punctuation. History remembers the statement before the punctuation. And Phil Jackson's legacy, obviously is golden forevermore. But if you're someone like Phil Jackson or Bill Belichick who wants to keep working in his 70s, what. What good is a legacy being untarnished if you can't actually get jobs that you want anymore despite your legacy? Like, you can tell me. It's not gonna impact the way that you think about someone 100 years from now, but while they're living right now and they can't work in their business anymore because the ending is such a disgrace that Belichick can't work in the pros anymore and that Phil Jackson couldn't get a job right now if he wanted one?

[Zaslow]

That's. That's. That's why it is going to affect Belichick's legacy. That's exactly what, like, Phil Jackson could have kept coaching after the Lakers if he wanted. Could have any job he wanted. And matter of fact, when he wanted that Knicks front office job, he got it. Belichick can't get an NFL job.

[Juju Gotti]

I think both of them are proof that you can tarnish your legacy. It's. Nothing is untarnishable if you f up as much as they did. Right? With Phil Jackson. He could have coached. He could have kept coaching the Lakers. You know why he wasn't a coach at the Lakers or any other coaching job? Because Phil Jackson wanted to coach home games only. All right, bro, like, you got to know when to hang it up and step back. At that point, he became a head of a front office with zero front office experience. He talks about, oh, I didn't want to hire Derek Fisher. I wanted to hire Tony Bennett. But Tony Bennett wouldn't do it because his kid was in high school. Buddy, that's the job. That's the job. But he didn't know. He didn't understand the job. So to me, it's a great corollary, Dan, between the two of them, the only way I think we remember them kindly, sadly, is after they're dead. But as long as they're alive, all we're gonna remember is how it went down.

[Dave Damaschek]

I think you guys are overstating the dent that this puts into Phil Jackson. The Knickerbockers are, to me, just an afterthought. I mean, he did it with the Bulls and the Lakers, as you know. So Bill Belichick has really wrecked his legacy, in my opinion. It now stands to me if on either side of Tom Brady. He was a mediocre coach, mildly successful, I guess, with the Browns, but in total, yeah, Belichick has really done some damage, and obviously, people want to genuflect to him, legend and all of that, but the stuff with the woman is weird. And that also dents his legacy.

[Juju Gotti]

Let me ask you a question, Dave. Do you think. Is it your opinion. I'm not talking about public opinion. Your opinion that Bill Belichick maybe wasn't that great of a coach?

[Dave Damaschek]

That is exactly what I am saying. The magic of Tom Brady is hard to put your finger on. What exactly he figured out about pro football that made him thrive and win over. I'm not saying Belichick was a passenger along for the ride, but he was really playing at the fringes when the bulk of the work was being carried by.

[Zaslow]

I mean, clearly Belichick coached in the NFL for 10 years, minus Brady. One playoff one.

[Tony Reali]

Brady wasn't coaching the defensive side of the ball, though. So, like, there has to be some sort of, like, all right, Belichick did something. It wasn't just Brady doing everything.

[Zaslow]

Brady's on the defensive meeting.

[Tony Reali]

He's like, all right, guys, let's go.

[Zaslow]

But Brady then went somewhere else and won.

[Tony Reali]

Brady's amazing.

[Stugotz]

Brady won a Super Bowl 13 to 3. That's not Brady winning that Super Bowl.

[Juju Gotti]

Yeah, like. Like, I feel like we're really oversimplifying kind of everyone's contributions, right? That first Super bowl when they beat the.

[Stugotz]

The Rams, one touchdown pass the entire postseason. For Tom Brady that year that they.

[Juju Gotti]

Won the super bowl, he was just an incredible defensive mind, and he put together some solid offenses. Also, remember the Matt Castle year?

[Stugotz]

Am I the only one who remembers.

[Dave Damaschek]

The Matt Castle year when they didn't make the playoffs? Yes, I do remember that one.

[Dan Le Batard]

The Dolphins year.

[Dave Damaschek]

And. And absolutely. Quarterbacks. When you have the man and he's still on his rookie deal, as has been oft discussed, you can really load up on defense, and that's what's going to carry the day. There have been a number of guys in the 21st century who are high in QBs who won Super Bowls more because of the defense. Russell Wilson, Ben Roethlisberger, the first one against the Seahawks. And Tom Brady, that first super bowl against the Rams, of course, that one is stained by the Spygate stuff, and there's Deflategate and there are a number of, you know, the TB12 stuff and everything else. I think there's all a stink on that entire Patriots era. As glorious as it was for Boston sports fans, I think it will loom and does. It's not what's going to be in 100 years right now. It has a stink on it.

[Tony Reali]

Tony finds out what gave me 30 seconds of him talking. He's biased. He's absolutely biased. As a Pittsburgh Steelers fan, talking about stuff from 2003, 2004, when you were in the running for making Super Bowls. Dude, I hear it.

[Stugotz]

That's it.

[Tony Reali]

Tony found out. Dave Damaschek, bias.

[Juju Gotti]

What Dave Damaschek is saying is that Bill Belichick should have checked himself before he wrecked himself. And you can bet on that.

[Dave Damaschek]

I don't think that's what I was saying.

[Stugotz]

Your signature line. You have said, though, you have declared that the legacy is indeed wrecked. And I just don't know what value a legacy has if it's not going to be wrecked 10 years from now. But right now, when you want things that cash in on your legacy, you're not someone who can. Who can actually cash in on your legacy.

[Juju Gotti]

Cash Patel Hassan is what? My name is Dan. Dan. The. The reality is, I think you just hit the nail on the head and let me take this off so I can differentiate that I'm not Cash Patel Hassan right now. I mean, I.

[Stugotz]

Yes.

[Juju Gotti]

The reality is legacies don't matter. They don't matter if they only come posthumously. Right. Pete Rose, if he goes to the hall of Fame, like, who cares? He didn't get to enjoy that. And that's really what it's all about. And that's why I think it is something that you need to be cognizant of as you're an older individual in sports, is not doing things that have the potential to ruin it. I think Phil Jackson. It's not just the failures with the Knicks, Dave. It's also like the LeBron's posse stuff. It's like a lot of out of touch, kind of old generation white guy stuff that he said that kind of really mucked it up if he had just been a failure. A great example is Michael Jordan. Michael Jordan, by all accounts was a failure as a basketball executive and as a basketball owner. He's still Michael Jordan, though. So, like, when it's inside, it's excellent. I'm there. Phil Jackson can't have an Insights to Excellence segment on national TV because everyone's gonna be. Isn't that the dude that was saying that LeBron just has his boys around and that's it? So that's the part that I think is the corollary with Belichick. I think Belichick's failure is one thing. I think the bigger thing is, like, you're making an ass out of yourself with this girl and all that stuff. And that's the part that really threatens it. If he was just merely like, oh, he's not winning anymore, I think that wouldn't be quite as crazy. Another example, I know I'm rambling here, but I was thinking about Larry Brown. Larry Brown, hall of Fame career, legacy of jumping from city to city, coach, like, his last couple of jobs were all in college and like, he coached a high school team. But it's Larry Brown. Nobody says basketball he loves exactly.

[Zaslow]

Loves basketball.

[Juju Gotti]

That's all it comes out. Larry Brown loves basketball. He wasn't wildly successful towards the end of his career. We just give him that grace. I think it's the scandal portion of it that does a lot of the tarnishing well.

[Stugotz]

But one of the things that Damoshek is saying here that I do think sort of Bears repeating Phil Jackson is 11 championships. Like, it's not one, it's not seven with one quarterback. It's 11 championships.

[Juju Gotti]

11 championships, ladies and gentlemen, with Michael Jordan, Shaquille O' Neal and Kobe Bryant. Yeah. Like, yeah, it wasn't the same quarterback the whole time.

[Stugotz]

It was still hall of Fame elite.

[Juju Gotti]

Elite, elite, elite talent. And don't get it twisted, Dan LeBatard, you of all people should remember coaches. If you don't have players, what are we Talking about this is talent driven business.

[Zaslow]

Okay, but hold on. Like, he got to the Lakers and took over a team that had Shaquille o' Neal and Kobe Bryant. They weren't any good.

[Stugotz]

They hadn't won.

[Juju Gotti]

They weren't any good.

[Stugotz]

They hadn't won 57 games. They hadn't won the championship.

[Tony Reali]

Oh, wow.

[Juju Gotti]

They hadn't won a championship. Look, guys, you can't do that. You can't act like they're like, oh, my God, what are we gonna do? How do we play basketball? And Phil Jackson comes in and says, give it to the big guy.

[Stugotz]

What a genius.

[Juju Gotti]

We never would have figured that out. Look, I'm not trying to discount his contributions. What I'm trying to do, actually is the same thing for Belichick. It's like, yes, these guys put great talents in positions to be successful, but we cannot just throw away the idea that they had great talent to begin with.

[Stugotz]

Let me do this with you guys, then, and just do a thought experiment with you, because you mentioned Larry Brown and obviously that Pistons team responsible for one of the great upsets in basketball over Shaq and Kobe, that was a team that didn't. Didn't have a star. And so Larry Brown gets forever credentials based on winning something that had Chauncey Billups or Ben Wallace as the best player on the team. When I ask you, give me the coach with the greatest pedigree of championships, Joe Gibbs, who has done it with an assortment of talent that you would not consider great talent, who's the top of the pyramid, who doesn't do it with the Michael Jordans and Shaqs, where you're winning multiple championships because Larry Brown is one championship, but you're winning. That's a good one. Joe Gibbs is a good one because.

[Mike Ryan]

Bob Knight, who was.

[Stugotz]

Who he had Isaiah Thomas. Right. Like, I don't think anyone, you know, Larry Brown is going to be somebody who obviously goes to the top of this list in terms of winning without a superstar player. But when we talk about multiple championships or a coach that has an unimpeachable record, because you're looking at that coach and saying, well, I don't know how he did it with multiple teams and not Shaquille o' Neal and Kobe and.

[Juju Gotti]

Michael Jordan, Rick Carlisle.

[Tony Reali]

I was just about to say that one. That's a great. That's a great one.

[Juju Gotti]

Mark Nowitzki would like a word, but.

[Tony Reali]

He was old at that point.

[Juju Gotti]

He wasn't that old.

[Tony Reali]

He was kind of old.

[Zaslow]

He wasn't kind of old with JJ.

[Tony Reali]

Barrea backing down LeBron.

[Juju Gotti]

He did it last year with the Pacers that no one likes. I thought we talked about championships. My bad.

[Tony Reali]

They were on the precipice of one.

[Stugotz]

Well, I was actually asking about multiple championships. Right. I was asking Whitey Ford.

[Dave Damaschek]

Herzog. Whitey Ford, Whitey Herzog. So I got my old baseball playing.

[Juju Gotti]

That is Whitey's mix.

[Stugotz]

Okay, I'm sorry, Dave. I'm gonna have to do this again to you. Yeah, again. I'm sorry.

[Dave Damaschek]

Lead in the league.

[Mike Ryan]

And penalty.

[Dave Damaschek]

Minor penalty. Two minutes for tripping the entire show.

[Stugotz]

Can't get your whities wrong. Get your whities right. You're supposed to be an expert. Look at you. You gotta be an expert in Whitey, Dave.

[Juju Gotti]

Your whities need to be more tidy.

[Dan Le Batard]

Kicking yourself out.

[Juju Gotti]

Kick him out, too.

[Dan Le Batard]

He's going too.

[Stugotz]

No, he's taking him. He's taking him to the penalty box. Box. As Cash Patel. Look at what happened to your headset. What happened to your helmet? Why are you falling apart physically, mentally, emotionally and spiritually?

[Zaslow]

Listen, being a race car driver, it's. It's not as easy. The looks.

[Juju Gotti]

I didn't know you were borrowed, brother.

[Stugotz]

Juju. I told you those costumes are harder to do. He's going to be exhausted by the time he leaves here. You keep telling me I'm tone deaf because I said that I get headaches whenever it is that I have to wear the costumes in my meager defense, by the way, because many of you have pointed out, really, Levitard, you got. You got a headache because you wore a suit. The headache was because I was wearing those bad bunny glasses and trying to read with them, and I can't, and my eyesight is bad. And so when I was trying to read, I was having all sorts of problems. And also the bad bunny gloves made it so that I whispered to Louis and it went out over the air. Get me the Brian Kelly dancing video. Because the gloves. So that glove.

[Tony Reali]

You press the wrong button because of the gloves.

[Stugotz]

It was f. My glove finger was fat and it didn't press the button to talk back correctly. And it's one of the many things that gave me a headache. So I'm making an assortment of excuses, but it is harder correct than you would think it is. You're going to be more tired. You're going. Where are you going this weekend as far as your college football coverage?

[Zaslow]

I have a really busy day today, too, because I'm on ESPN tonight also, and I can feel the headache coming on because of this helmet and the weird earplugs that I'm wearing. Tomorrow I'm going to Jacksonville. World's largest outdoor cocktail party, Florida, Georgia. I'm very excited about that.

[Dan Le Batard]

I don't want to make this easier, but I would be fine if you held it under your arm the whole time because that's how I picture a race car driver. They have the helmet under their arm. No helmet on the whole time. What do you guys think?

[Zaslow]

Whatever, man. Like I'm all right for now.

[Juju Gotti]

Don't worry about me.

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[Mike Ryan]

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[Juju Gotti]

Oh, man, I've been singing a song to myself all morning while I'm breakfast fl.

[Stugotz]

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[Juju Gotti]

Have you never heard the breakfast flan?

[Mike Ryan]

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[Juju Gotti]

Okay. I wish I had some breakfast fl. Where can I find a breakfast like that?

[Zaslow]

This is the Dan Levatar show with the Stugach.

[Stugotz]

What are your thoughts about the SEC that I, I believe has been exposed in recent weeks and is being carried by Texas A and M, which is clearly good. But Texas A and M wasn't what we were expecting to be at the top of the of that conference. We were expecting Georgia to look more like Georgia, Alabama to look more like Alabama. And you've got Vanderbilt and Missouri at the, you know, able to beat those schools, able to play close games against those school. And last weekend, okay, because Texas really labored and barely won and, and they're just not good. We're just saying flatly that Texas is not good and I good. Texas ends up laboring and, and Georgia ends or Alabama ends up laboring. When you're talking about South Carolina and Mississippi State. Those are supposed to be the doormats in the conference.

[Zaslow]

Yes, South Carolina stinks. Mississippi State. Mississippi State. Sneaky decent team even though they have not won a conference game in two years. I know it sounds stupid, but like.

[Stugotz]

Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. Can you be put it on the poll at Levittart show. Can you be a sneaky decent team when you haven't won a conference game in two?

[Dan Le Batard]

He's right.

[Tony Reali]

That though, like, they're always in the mix. They're always, like, playing. It's like, oh, they're. They're only down 7 to Tennessee.

[Zaslow]

Dan, look at these. They lost in overtime to Texas last week. They lost by two to Florida on a late interception the week before. And a couple weeks before that, they lost in overtime to Tennessee. Like I'm telling you, Dan, this sneaky decent team is low.

[Stugotz]

Listen to me.

[Zaslow]

You know about Starkville.

[Stugotz]

Billy Napier got fired for the indignity of playing a close game against Mississippi State.

[Zaslow]

Dan, timing was perfect.

[Dan Le Batard]

You know there. He's the third coach in the last five years to get fired after beating Mississippi State. Like usually you don't get fired after a win. Two of them, it was Jimbo Fisher, Billy Napier. The other one was the end of a season.

[Zaslow]

What's gonna happen?

[Dan Le Batard]

That was a little bit of a cheat. It happened three times after beating. That's not Mississippi.

[Stugotz]

But that's not sneaky decent. That's a team that hasn't won a conference game in two years and has gotten three coaches fired for playing close games against them, not losing.

[Zaslow]

I'm not retracting. I'm sticking with it. Sneaky. You can put that on my Tombstone. Mississippi State 2025. Sneaky decent team.

[Stugotz]

Why would you want that on your tombstone?

[Zaslow]

Because I own that take.

[Stugotz]

But.

[Zaslow]

But that's fresh.

[Stugotz]

But why would anybody want that on.

[Zaslow]

You know what? Hang on a second. Mississippi State. Sneaky decent team. Copyright.

[Dave Damaschek]

Only thing that doesn't suck, apparently, according to zaz. Mississippi State.

[Zaslow]

I'm trying to expand my vocabulary.

[Stugotz]

All right, let's. Let's cover this. Just to be clear. Derek Jeter sucks.

[Zaslow]

Oh, my God.

[Stugotz]

Mississippi State decent. Sneaky Phil Jackson sucks. Mississippi State decent. What was the. Was the other thing that you said sucked? You said something else sucked? I think there were three sucked.

[Mike Ryan]

Helmet.

[Zaslow]

I mean, definitely yesterday. I told you. Charlotte Horn, sucker.

[Stugotz]

Well, they do. They do. That is quite the miracle, though, that Michael Jordan did pull off being the owner of the Hornets who haven't won a playoff game in 10 years and a playoff series in more than 20. No effect to the legacy. None whatsoever. You're over. You're overseeing what is a cataclysmic effort by your basketball team. Half the teams make the playoffs. The salary cap and equality reward that. When you're bad, you get good. Not Michael Jordan, but he gets insights into excellence even though he hasn't sniffed them in more than 25 years.

[Juju Gotti]

He's excellent. And I'm not going to stand here and have you just disparage the good name of the greatest to ever lace them up.

[Dave Damaschek]

Okay, I have. I have to jump in here to Announce this. Michael Jordan, the all time greatest of his sport. Mario Lemieux, though, stands as the most significant figure to one franchise in North American sports history. Because as opposed to Michael Jordan, as soon as he retired, he saved the franchise by then purchasing the franchise and then winning three more Stanley Cups. And when they needed him to do it, he put the sweater back on and returned to the ice. There has never been anyone more significant than that. However, let me just say Michael Jordan, that was a different job. He was a player. Then he became an exec. Are we dinging Tom Brady from going from football player to broadcaster slash executive? I think we kind of are getting to that place.

[Juju Gotti]

To that note, we never talk about Tom Brady and the Raiders. What happened, what happened there?

[Dave Damaschek]

It's coming.

[Stugotz]

I thought that was.

[Juju Gotti]

I thought everything will be different now. We're going to fix everything. You save everything. Tom Brady, O.J. what happened? We don't even mention it. We don't even bring it up.

[Dan Le Batard]

Mississippi State is 14th out of 16 teams in the SEC.

[Zaslow]

I'm glad you didn't say sneaky decent. You would owe me some money.

[Stugotz]

On your tombstone.

[Zaslow]

That's how copyright works, Dan.

[Stugotz]

Well, copyright.

[Juju Gotti]

You guys are just yell at first.

[Stugotz]

Copyright on your tombstone.

[Zaslow]

I'll tell you what they're gonna win this week. They're gonna beat Arkansas. First conference win two years. And then you all go be like, wow, that's Zaslo. He had it first. That's right, I did.

[Stugotz]

They didn't win a conference game with Mike Leach before he passed away. Or was he the last, was he the last winner of a conference game there? Because when Lane Kiffin and Mike Leach went to the sec. God, this seems like a charming, quaint time a million years ago. But before Oklahoma and Texas went to the sec, brought all their reputation to the sec, and now the SEC kind of stinks. Mike Leach and Lane Kiffin went to the sec and those are perfect jobs for those guys because there are no expectations like, what, What a great job for Lane Kiffin, that he's just as good as some of those teams at the top of that conference. And we're giving him and assigning him all the credit for beating teams that aren't that good. Because anytime they win a game on the road, we're giving Lane Kiffin all of the credit for having at. At. At the quarterback position. One of the great names in all.

[Zaslow]

Of sports, Trinidad Chambliss in 2023. Dan. Mississippi State 1 at Arkansas, 7 to 3. They're going to beat Arkansas again. This weekend.

[Stugotz]

That's the. Wait a minute. So the last win by the sneaky, decent Mississippi State was a 7 to 3 win against Arkansas, and you won on your tombstone, the copyrighted knowledge that they are a sneaky, decent team.

[Zaslow]

That's right. No one's gonna be laughing when they get that first SEC win this weekend. Like, wow, Zaslow, thanks for the hot tip. You're welcome.

[Juju Gotti]

Zaz. How you feel about the Florida Gators going against the Georgia Bulldogs this weekend?

[Zaslow]

I think they're gonna keep it close in the first half. It could get away from them in the second half. Gators defense elite. All right. But, boy, they're not good this year.

[Stugotz]

How.

[Zaslow]

Maybe they play for the new coach.

[Stugotz]

I don't know how good is Texas A and M, though? Because for all of this money being spent on coaches and buyouts, what does it tell you? And Mike Elko is sneaking in there, and he's nobody's favorite coach, but clearly Texas A and M is the best team in that conference. There's not. There's not a dispute about that, is there? Like, we've. We've all been kind of unimpressed by whatever it is that Alabama and Georgia are now, even though they could both be playoff teams. Nobody has been impressed by how it is any of those schools look. And everyone's been impressed by what Texas A and M is.

[Dave Damaschek]

Well, the irony with college sports has become that the way to close the gap on the heavyweights is with nil, which is sort of the opposite of why baseball has the Dodgers so hated, because they spend more than everybody else. The sneaky fact with Lane Kiffin and Kurt Signetti and otherwise is they've closed the gap. By the way, Kurt Signetti, a good name to add to your list of coaches who win without stars, but they both kind of are able to add stars that they would. Wouldn't have been able to get a decade ago because of the nil age.

[Stugotz]

I don't think there's any reason to pay the coach like that anymore. Like these buyouts and the coaches, you don't have to pay them like that. If you're going to just give somebody. If. If Andrew Luck's going to come to your program and bring you a donor who says, I'll give you $50 million as he's done, isn't that what you want more than anything? Like, if I say to anyone listening to this, what do you want right now? Given what you've seen from Brian Kelly and James Franklin, and given that the top of the sport now has Signetti and Mike Elko in it. If I say to you, what would you rather have? I guess Nick Saban would be an outlier here because most people are just going to say, I'd rather have Nick Saban.

[Tony Reali]

Kirby Smart, too cheater.

[Stugotz]

What would I rather have? Would I rather have somebody who Simply brings me $50 million donor by virtue of running my athletic department? Or do I want the coach who's going to be whatever leadership guy that creates a program, But I'm guaranteed nothing. I mean, these buyouts, what. What are some of the numbers being thrown out on? Just the buyout figures that we've. We've had this year in the amount of money that's being paid to coaches.

[Tony Reali]

To not coach between three guys been $170 million that have been fired. And then obviously with that, oh, that's a quarter billion.

[Stugotz]

But you can spend that money so much better. If I were just to say, you know what? I'm just going to have somebody who oversees this and is somebody who raises money, and I'll have my coordinators handle it and I'll spend the money on players. I'd rather spend it on players in the pros. You wouldn't be telling me to go spend the money on the coach. You would. You'd be telling me to spend the money on the players.

[Dan Le Batard]

The previous record for buyouts combined in a season was 118 million. And we've already hit 170 million to Tony's point, with three months left in the season.

[Juju Gotti]

But, Dan, what you're describing is again, the professionalization of college football, right? Which is when you don't have to spend on the labor. I got all this extra money, so, yeah, I'm going to spend on Nick Saban, all these guys. But as you point out in the NFL, I got to spend on labor. I only got so much I could spend on coaching. And that's what's happening. So now that the labor's getting money, you don't need to pay as much to the coaches.

[Stugotz]

What an interesting thing to live through, like, just to watch it happen. Like, it wasn't that long ago that TA Nehisi Coates was writing for the Athletic about. Or no, it wasn't TA Nehisi Coates that was about reparations. You understand how I make the connection between injustices. But where they were just talking about how ridiculous it is that the NCAA had the rule system that it has in place and everything is caved in in the last five years, I'm all.

[Zaslow]

Over Mississippi State +4.

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