The Big Suey: David Keeps Talking (feat. Survivor Contestant David Samson)

Summary

The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz

"The Big Suey: David Keeps Talking" (feat. David Samson, Survivor Contestant)
Date: January 29, 2026

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Episode Overview

Broadcast from the Elser Hotel in Downtown Miami, Dan Le Batard, Stugotz, and company dive into sports, pop culture, and their signature brand of satirical, chaotic banter. This “Big Suey” episode is headlined by David Samson, former Marlins executive and Survivor contestant, who brings his signature cynicism and verbosity—so much so that the show’s running joke is simply trying to get him to stop talking. The group debates LeBron James’ recent emotional reaction returning to Cleveland, the NFL Hall of Fame voting controversy surrounding Bill Belichick, the absurdities of sports media cynicism, and a sprawling, comedic discussion on crying, movie tears, and a Chevy Chase documentary.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. LeBron James' Tears in Cleveland – Sincere or Performative?

• Cynicism vs. Sincerity
  The show dives into LeBron’s evident emotion during his Cleveland return, and whether it represented a genuine “end of era” moment or calculated optics.

  • Stugotz and Zas (Mike Ryan) express deep cynicism:
    • “Crocodile tears.” (01:25, Stugotz)
    • “Thank goodness there just so happened to be a box of tissues under his seat on the bench.” (01:37, Mike)
  • Dan pushes back on cynicism:
    • “You guys love to be cynical about vulnerability. You guys love to criticize when people cry.” (02:28, Dan)
    • On why people are emotional at the end of a career: “He’s about to bury the person that he’s been for the last 20 some odd years.” (03:06, Dan)
  • David Samson’s take defies expectations:
    • “Oh, I think they were actual. I think when it's the end of an era, you know it, he knows it…he knows that he is no longer where he was. And that, of course, is when the tears come.” (04:35, Samson)

• Memorable Quote:

  • Dan: “After having what was a sincere moment, you guys are deconstructing whether the tissues are real or not? …You guys have been talking about everything I do for 20 years, living vicariously through me, criticizing everything I do, and I’m still better at what I do than any of you are at anything you’ve ever done.” (06:36)

• Tier of Tears:

  • The hosts riff on different kinds of crying—ranging from “crocodile tears” to “nose running sobs,” ranking the relative intensity and causes of each (32:31).

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2. Bill Belichick’s Hall of Fame ‘Snub’ and NFL Politics

• Controversy over Not Being First Ballot HOF:
  • Dan questions if the “snub” was an innocent quirk of ballot mathematics rather than pettiness or conspiracy (11:23).
    • David Samson explains ‘ballot planning’:
      • “It's really called ballot planning…you understand where the person is in terms of needing 5% in baseball to stay on the ballot for the next year…and you don’t want someone to fall off.” (11:55)
  • Accusations, Conspiracies, and Fall Guys:
    • Bill Polian is falsely blamed as the ringleader; Samson thinks Robert Kraft likely had influence:
      • “Robert Kraft is maniacal, as many owners are, because you need to be…” (18:13)
      • “Thinking that he controlled or attempted to control and succeeded in controlling a Hall of Fame vote, that’s not a far reach. This kind of stuff goes on in every sport.” (18:45)
  • Jimmy Johnson's Outrage:
    • “Just because of 10 or 11 or 12 ignorant, jealous assholes who did not vote for him.” (20:08, Jimmy Johnson audio clip)
    • Samson is unimpressed:
      • “When you resort to calling a writer an [asshole] because they have a certain vote a certain way, it’s just wrong. He could be impugning other Hall of Famers. …So I found it to be performative and very much in line with what that show particularly enjoys and what causes them to smile, which is the lowest common denominator of humor.” (21:16)
  • Dan on Belichick’s “bad years”:
    • “...fighting with Bob Kraft in public. I’m talking about your professional identity being covered in cow shit.” (26:30)
    • David (Cynically): “Yet now that he didn’t get in on the first ballot, all of a sudden he gets this entire cycle of ‘greatest of all time’... Recency bias… it’s a little much to me, that’s all.” (26:41)

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3. David Samson’s Cynicism, Survivor References, and the Podcast’s ‘Interruptions’

• Clarification on Jimmy Johnson as ‘fellow Survivor’:
  • Dan: “He’s not saying of a disease. He’s saying of the television show Survivor.” (22:19)
• Recurring Meta-Joke: David Won’t Stop Talking:
  • Multiple times, Dan and crew try to “get Samson to stop”—building into comedic bits about interrupting and never letting the host finish, even using mock instructions to “let the segment end.”
    • Dan (42:25): “Feel free to use those things on the side of your head as listening devices as opposed to just waiting for…”
    • Samson: “I promise I will talk. Yes. I will not interrupt anymore.”
    • Dan (42:33): “Please stop talking. I’m trying to say goodbye. I need you to just… be quiet so that I could get to the end of this…”

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4. Giannis Trade Rumors and NBA Media Narratives

• Samson Gripes about Reporting:
  • “Shams comes out and says, now it’s… the Bucks are willing to listen… that doesn’t change. Teams always listen on everybody. There’s never been a time where you call on a player and say, ‘no, I don’t even want to hear what you have to say.’… There is always a reason to listen.” (30:48)
  • Dismisses “tell, not ask” in NBA trade demands:
    • “It doesn't actually work where the player walks in your office: I demand a trade. …You just sort of know by being in the clubhouse…” (31:34)
• Quick aside/joke:
  • Linking wild trade rumors to the Miami Heat’s penchant for star hunting (32:09).

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5. Tier of Tears – The Science and Sociology of Crying

• Ranking Types of Weeping:
  • Entire panel builds a long “escalating tier,” e.g.: “Frog in the throat” → “sniveling” → “shedding a tear” → “whimpering” → “waterworks” → “crying a river” → “crocodile tears” → “blubbering” → “the car cry,” “the shower cry,” “the Noshon Moreno tear” (32:31–33:30).
• Terms of Endearment and Generational Gaps:
  • Samson tries to reference “Terms of Endearment” as a classic tearjerker; Dan wants to know if anyone under 40 gets the reference.
    • Samson: “You can talk about ‘We’ll always have Paris.’ There’s certain things that transcend generations.” (34:37)
    • Tony, Jeremy (producers): Unaware, which leads to Dan lampooning the gap between old and young staff (34:48–35:19).

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6. Chevy Chase Documentary Review and The Value of Entertainers

• Why Did Chevy Chase Agree to the Documentary?
  • Samson: “I assume he was paid. These guys do not have the money that you think they do.” (38:17)
  • Drew contrast between Chase’s legendary status and notorious reputation for being difficult.
    • “I don’t need him to be liked by his fellow castmates… I want him to entertain me, and he has done nothing but entertain me my entire life. …I’m just glad he didn’t die.” (37:00–38:14)
• Dan argues it’s not a “sad” film:
  • “I don’t think it was a sad movie. I think it was a complete picture of somebody who has been represented for 50 years as a bit of an asshole… just human is all it is.” (39:16)
• Meta humor as Dan and Samson spar over “French” idioms:
  • Dan: “He made it a French hat. He decided to not just tip his hat… he tipped his chapeau…” (41:35)
  • Samson: “That’s the word [for hat]… why do you go Spanish, Dan?” (41:42)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Sports Cynicism:
  • “You guys love to criticize when people cry.” (02:28, Dan)
  • “He's about to bury the person he’s been for the last 20 some odd years.” (03:06, Dan)
• On Hall of Fame Snub:
  • “When you resort to calling a writer an asshole because they have a certain vote a certain way, it’s just wrong.” (21:16, Samson)
• On Seniors and Survivor:
  • “I know that David comes on here… assuming everyone listening knows he was on Survivor, and Jimmy Johnson was on Survivor.” (22:19, Dan)
• On Old Personalities:
  • “There’s this guy named Chevy Chase… and I tip my chapeau to Chevy Chase and thank him.” (37:00–38:14, Samson)
• On Interruptions and Running Jokes:
  • “Please stop talking. I’m trying to say goodbye… Just stop. Just stop.” (42:29–42:33, Dan)
• On the Value of Entertainment:
  • “I don’t need him to be liked by his fellow castmates… I want him to entertain me” (37:50, Samson)

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Important Timestamps

• LeBron’s Tears & Sincerity Debate – 01:06–07:53
• Tier of Tears Ranking – 32:31–33:56
• Belichick Hall of Fame Voting Drama – 10:54–28:36
• Jimmy Johnson’s Outrage (first audio) – 20:08
• ‘Survivor’ Clarification – 22:19
• Chevy Chase Doc Review – 36:56–40:49
• 'Stop Talking, David!' Bit – 42:25–42:52

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Tone and Style

• The episode is high-energy, irreverent, deeply self-referential, with ongoing bits about sports cynicism, generational divides, and their own inability to stick to “standard” sports talk or even properly end a segment.

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Summary:
This episode offers both belly laughs and genuine insights into the modern athlete’s experience with media cynicism, the pettiness and politics of Hall of Fame voting, and lifelong emotional moments in sports—and in movies. David Samson, the day’s primary guest, embodies the show's intersecting themes of expertise, performative ego, and lovable exasperation, all while being the guy “who just keeps talking.”

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Brian Windhorst has been saying a form of this for a while, but now he's just saying it flatly that the Lakers are gonna ask LeBron to take a pay cut, potentially a significant one for next season. Last night, LeBron was crying during his return to Cleveland.

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Crocodile tears.

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Really? You guys don't think any of that was sincere? Last night? You thought that that was all optics? You all are bringing your cynicism to.

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This major crocodile tears.

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Dan, Dan, Dan. Thank goodness there just so happened to be a box of tissues underneath his seat on the bench.

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Because that's commonplace, right?

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Thank goodness there was a box of tissues for him to wipe away the tears he. He knew he was going to have. Okay.

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I mean, we have a box of tissues here because south beach sessions could get vulnerable, and we always have it here in the event that anybody needs some tissues.

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You love that move.

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Which move?

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Passing the tissues to the guest. Yeah, that's such a great interviewer move. Here, take these.

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I don't love that move. We've got My Christians are so great.

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We happen to have tissues there.

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We've gotten good at the move because there are so many tears on when.

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You bite the lip, too, as you do it.

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You guys love to be cynical about vulnerability. You guys love to criticize when people cry.

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Why is he crying?

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I imagine it's a combination of age appreciation that you don't have at the time that you're young when you look back at things and memories and you're at the end of your career and whatever it is, your identity was at the top of this sport. My guess is that memories. Greg Cody's been crying more at 71 than I've ever seen in his life.

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He does acknowledge in post game, he won't say it definitely. He's like, this might be my last.

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Well, LeBron. But LeBron is in the portion of his career that Greg is in the portion of his life like he's about to bury the person that he has been for the last 20 some odd years.

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But he's been warmly received consistently in Cleveland since he won them that title, right? So it's not like, I don't know if the novelty of, you know, my first time back here after leaving this franchise, they threw batteries at me and now I'm being cheered to. I don't know if that novelty ever wears off, but I got to imagine it gets diluted because, you know, he's done it a lot. It's also LeBron, like he could get traded to a team that he feels better on, and then he goes to plays Cleveland four more times the next.

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Okay, but this, this part, right? This part is to me always interesting. Right. Kobe used to say that the one that mattered to him the most is the one that he got without Shaq because he proved it to himself. LeBron getting the championship in Cleveland, very few people like that's the best moment of his career and life. And there will be nothing like that. And crocodile tears, when you mention it, Zaz, it reminds me Stugat's patented not knowing what crocodile tears were.

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I'm telling you guys, you were on stage. Dan and I were both crying like crocodile tears.

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We believe crocodile tears are fake. I thought they meant big. David Sampson is with us now. He's always good for cynicism in all circumstances. So I would assume, I would just guess off the top of my head, even though you've been more emotional lately than I've ever seen you, that you think that LeBron's tears were crocodile tears. What say you?

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Oh, I think they were actual. I think when it's the end of an era, you know it, he knows it, he knows he's done, his team's done, and he knows that he is no longer where he was. And that, of course, is when the tears come. He is already starting to reflect on what was the second greatest career, you know, in the National Basketball Association's history. So I would expect there to be more tears. Cleveland would be the most. But when he comes Back to Miami. If he would actually play, that would count. Or any place he's been. You just sort of. You take a last look. I'm familiar with last looks and they're tough.

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So you believe it was sincere. You don't believe what Zas is saying. Tissues under your chair. Crocodile tears. Get out of here.

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Yeah, there's tissues all over the place. I've got tissues here. There's. I mean, some of the medicine I take causes a stuffy nose, but there is. Yeah, there's only a few people who will laugh at that. And they're old. But yeah, there are tissues in various places around the bench. That's very normal as.

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I don't think it is normal. And on top of it, LeBron is wiping the tears with his jersey. Why does he then also need the tissues? Did he just wipe his tears with his jersey?

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Yeah, but you can only reach a certain point on your jersey. Then it's too wet and not impactful.

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This is the most formative athlete of our generation. Like, he does a lot of things for optics.

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So this is the moment.

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It's a little extra.

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Okay. But you guys, man, he's going to.

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Do it again next year.

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I'm the bad guy. Are we going to get emotional next year too?

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Or is this, is this the Cleveland emotional moment? Can we not imagine that going there closer to the end of his career, playing with Bronny, making sure he played there with Bronnie. I understand that this is closer to the end of his career and he knows that it might be the end of his career with the Lakers, as we just saw that windhorse report that says take a pay cut. He doesn't. He's going to do. There was a report yesterday, I think it was Dave McMenamin that said LeBron doesn't want to do the pressure filled retirement tour because he knows he doesn't want to play every single game. That is a crock. He says he doesn't want to play every single game of a season. And so in turn, he's going to disappoint fan bases. Maybe he doesn't want to weigh that this might be the last time he plays in Cleveland and he got to do it with his kid. I think that that might be worthy of a tear. I don't know if it's sniveling or lamenting or choking back tears or is it dusty in here, but it's somewhere on the tier of tears.

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Okay, we'll get.

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Go ahead and say it's not the last time. He plays Cleveland.

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We'll get to the tier of tears in a second, but I just. I'd like for you cynics to just do this as a thought exercise with me. Okay? Let's just say, for the purposes of discussion, that LeBron James knows that his tears were 100% sincere. Do you understand why it is that someone in that circumstance, after the last two decades of his career would think the media and critics are such assholes that after having what was a sincere moment, you guys are deconstructing whether the tissues are real or not? Like, as an experience of the last 20 years of media. Do you understand how he arrives at. I don't care what articles are written. I don't care what anyone has to say about anything, because you guys have been talking about everything I do for 20 years, living vicariously through me, criticizing everything I do, and I'm still better at what I do than any of you are at anything you've ever done. And.

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Yeah, but we don't do this for every athlete. Have you not followed this guy? Maybe part of it is that he's not sincere. That's. It's. This whole thing. It's become like a joke on social media for 20 years. How insincere and how performing. If Steph Curry was in a moment like this, I'd be like, okay, we would buy it.

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I would buy it, maybe. But I would say that there's such cynicism now around sports fandom and the customer, and everything has become so poisoned that maybe you do that. But when Brett Favre did that, before any of the Brett Favre stuff happened, I remember the conversation here where he's weeping in front of his locker and you guys buried him.

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You guys just buried that before or after he threatened retirement three times and then came back for several different teams? I guess sometimes cynicism is right. Like, I understand your perspective. Actually, I don't, because you're hardlining. Believe him. And I'm not hardlining cynicism. I'm saying they're performative aspects to this. Yes, it's touching. They had elevator signs all around the locker room, like, welcome back home, Bronny, and Bronny's a little kid. And LeBron, in arguably his greatest professional moment ever, like, yeah, that stuff hits you in the feels, but he knows when the camera's on, famously.

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Yeah, but you're performative, too, and you're also aging. And if I put a moment with you and your daughter in front of people, at the end of what we know is the end of this. And you were crying and people would say, you know what? He's a performer. I don't believe that he's acting. It's a bit. That's Mike R. That's bullshit. He. He doesn't. He. That's not real. Those feelings aren't real.

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Okay. I also didn't. David Sampson. I was 8 years old. I don't. I would not show my daughter on camera.

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Mike, you will definitely cry when this run is over. You've had an amazing run with Dan and whenever that time comes, Whether it's in five minutes or 20 years, you will definitely cry.

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Yeah, yeah, no doubt. And you will know when it's the end. Like I'm not going to cry now because it's not the end. Despite what Reddit might.

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God, there are moments, Mike, where you don't exactly know when the end is and you don't get to. Not everybody gets to plan their end. Sometimes the end is thrust upon them. When you release a player who's not ready to stop playing, that becomes the end because. Or they wait until nobody will sign them and then they try to, you know, play in Korea. So there's a whole lot of things that can happen to delay but you can have an interim and cry and that can be totally legitimate.

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So LeBron evidently says that he does not want a retirement tour. And I guess I will give this to you guys late.

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Yo, chicken thigh.

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Clearly just waiting for the camera to.

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Be in front of him.

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Not only is he gonna have a retirement tour, he's gonna have a retirement multi year tour. That one else it's several years in advance. What if he plays three last game in Cleveland? He'll play 41 games at home for the next year. I'm going to be totally okay. China big ass head.

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Sampson, the thing I wanted to ask you about the Belichick stuff because God, the last 24 hours have been funny. Is it at all possible? And what percentage of possible do you believe it to be? That now that Bill Polian has been wrongly accused and everyone's still got their conspiracy theories, but one of them that is possible, that is less nefarious than all the others is the 11 voters who did not vote for Bill Belichick.

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Thought it would be at least 11.

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At least. At least 11. Thank you. They could have. It's not unreasonable to think that because there were a limited number of senior votes that they could give and they could think that Bill Belichick was going to get everyone else's vote, they decided to use that on an Elsie Greenwood or someone else that would get in because they assume there's no way that Bill Belichick wouldn't get in. Are you willing to think that that's in any way plausible? Plausible as we all think and suspect the worst?

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Well, yeah. There was a column written by someone in the Kansas City Star that said just that. And that happens in baseball too, when you can only put 10 players on a ballot. There are great articles written each year. You know, take a look at our friend Jason Stark at the Athletic, where he will say that his ballot. There was room for a certain player one year, but not the next, or not last year, but this year. And then the reason behind that, it's a totally legitimate reason to. To. It's really called ballot plane. It's where you understand where the person is in terms of needing 5% in baseball to stay on the ballot for the next year. And you don't want someone to fall off the ballot. So there's stuff like that that goes on all the time. It just so happens that enough people either thought that or thought that he was cheating and wanted to penalize him a year or wanted to make sure they acquiesced to Robert Kraft. Whatever the reason was, enough people had enough reasons that he did not get voted in. And the funniest one for me is people thinking they're going to do a revote now and maybe before the announcement they will right the wrong.

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That's what Cody said yesterday.

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Oh, my God, that's idiotic. That's like. That's like you don't like the results of an election. So what you say is, you know what, let's recount it. No, no, forget the recount. Let's just redo it and only let certain number of people vote. It's just people can ask for that, but it generally doesn't happen.

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Who, by the way, I think they're gonna kill.

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All right?

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He.

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Because apparently he's being completely falsely accused. I think they're gonna kill this old man. And you had the hall spokesperson come out and say not only did he vote for Belichick, but he didn't speak at all.

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Okay. During the meeting. Just to be clear, right? You think the stress of this is gonna kill Bill? You made it.

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No, I like burger.

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You did make it Seem like that guy, that giant guy who welcomes everyone into the hall of Fame. What is his name?

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I don't think they have Bakers with.

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Us anymore, by the way.

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Okay, well, the. Used to. Who was 6, 7, and did I kill him?

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Retired. I think maybe he just retired.

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That might be a 50 fine.

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That's a 50 fine.

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Bucket's coming back. Wait a minute. Let's. Let's see. What.

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I'm the only one who knew his name. I shouldn't get fined.

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What is his name?

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David Baker.

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No, no, you can't kill.

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See? David Baker. Is he still alive, age 72? Yeah, still with us.

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Oh, my God. That's a 50 fine. You gotta pay that.

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Okay.

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No, no, no. It's not a. I don't have 50.

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It's not a. It doesn't matter. We're gonna figure this out.

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Yeah.

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No, he thinks it's a joke.

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No, it's not a joke. Put it on the poll. But also, I think it should be a bigger fine because David Baker, who is still alive, the way that you phrase that, made it sound like David Baker was going to go to wherever Bill Polian was and just shiv him. They're going to kill him with. With a rusty.

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Right.

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A rusty utensil, I think. Sharpen.

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I think they're going to kill him. He's Stress.

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The stress of it. Yeah. David, what do you think? You said all of those reasons. What is most probable. Is it most probable that there is no conspiracy? There is no pettiness, there is none of the stuff that we love talking about, and it's just sort of a clerical error.

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Well, it's not clerical.

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You know what I mean. You know what I mean. You know what I mean?

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Okay. Thank you. I'd say the most probable is that Robert Kraft was involved. And I read his statement very carefully. It was very carefully scripted, and it was meant to. Meant to deflect. It was meant for people to say, oh, you know, yeah, there's a problem between us. You know that. I know that. But, man, I would never get in the way of him being in the hall of Fame because he's. He should be unanimous first balloter. I thought he went a little overboard. Robert Kraft is maniacal, as many owners are, because you need to be, to have that level of success and ego. Maniacal as well. And thinking that he controlled or attempted to control and succeeded in controlling a Hall of Fame vote, that's not a far reach. This kind of stuff goes on in every sport. It just doesn't get talked about a lot.

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So. So Polian's just the fall guy, then.

[A]

I. You say, what is he the fall guy for?

[B]

For the guy who led the charge against Belichick not being in the hall of Fame.

[A]

I don't know why he's being. That was just.

[B]

I don't either.

[A]

It's. That's the point. It's not. I don't think the stress is. You think that's going to kill him versus a wide, right? I think that not getting back to the super bowl or winning a Super bowl is far worse, I mean, David, than this.

[B]

You see the things people were saying about him yesterday.

[A]

Do you see the things people say about us?

[C]

I don't think that Bill Polian is necessarily Internet savvy. I may be doing judgment there. That's unfair. That is also ageist. I saw Jimmy Johnson tweet out his outrage and did so incorrectly by just randomly clicking on an NFL highlight of Fairbairn kicking a field goal. But let's listen to Jimmy John Johnson here. Let's listen to Jimmie Johnson's outrage. He was calling people names yesterday and is boycotting the ceremony. Well, first of all, I think this tarnishes everything in the hall of Fame, all of the inductees, everybody in the hall of Fame, just because of 10 or 11 or 12 ignorant, jealous assholes.

[A]

Who did not vote for him.

[C]

I think it tarnishes everything about the hall of fame. McAfee really enjoyed the saying of assholes on ESPN television.

[B]

Smiled.

[C]

We all did.

[B]

I feel like even Hawk smiled. I feel like Jimmy's more offended over this than ever was with Jerry Jones.

[C]

Put it on the poll at LeBatard show. Are you stunned that Hawk actually smiled and showed a big old grin, a human reaction? That was not.

[B]

I don't believe this. Let's see.

[C]

No, it is. I want you to notice here. I want you to notice that the adolescence in this. We all had the same reaction. Jimmy Johnson said on Disney television. Here it is again. Let's just play it again. Get. Well, first of all, I think this tarnishes everything in the hall of Fame, all of the inductees, everybody in the hall of Fame, just because of 10 or 11 or 12 ignorant, jealous assholes.

[A]

Who did not vote for him.

[C]

I think it tarnishes everything about the hall of Fame. He's also boycotting the ceremony. David, what are your thoughts there?

[A]

I'd like to stop playing that clip. That would be my first thought. My second thought is Jimmy Johnson not going to eat. Whether he has other plans or if he really wants to make a statement, there's a lot of things you can do. You can go to the hall of Fame and speak to the hall of Famers, the in trinese, the selectors, and try to change the process and effectuate change in. In something versus a boycott. I'm not sure that's. That's altogether going to be impactful or effective. I understand he's upset and I will never sully him because he' fellow Survivor. But what I will say is that that was a really, really ineffective. When you resort to calling a writer an because they have a certain vote a certain way, it's just wrong. He could be impugning other hall of Famers. He could be talking down to people who are not writers. As you know, it's not just writers who do this. So I found it to be performative and very much in line with what that show particularly enjoys and what causes them to smile, which is the lowest common denominator of humor.

[C]

I understand where and how sometimes David has a bit of narcissism when it comes to thinking that the audience knows about the entirety of his life. But when he calls Jimmy Johnson a survivor, there he is not saying of a disease. He's saying of the television show Survivor. Just so you know, because I saw Zads his reaction here, and he's like, did Jimmy have cancer? He's a fellow survivor. And so I will just point out to you. I know that. I know David comes on here.

[B]

That was weird, right?

[C]

Everyone back in late 2010 comes on here, assuming that everyone listening to this knows that he was on Survivor and Jimmy Johnson was on Survivor. And furthermore, that is supplanted cancer survivor as how people think about survivors. So I just wanted to make that clarification for everybody because you confused Zaslow and others around here by apparently giving Jimmy Johnson cancer. He did not have, by the way, that you phrased that. That.

[A]

Yeah, I don't use Zaz as my barometer. So if Mike Ryan and others were then. Then it didn't land, though.

[C]

Tony, what did you think he was.

[B]

Saying it sounded weird when he said it. And I just had to like do the math of like, what Survivor. Okay.

[C]

Jeremy, did you. Did everyone here know he was talking about the television show Survivor?

[B]

Well, it gets mentioned like every other appearance, so.

[C]

All right, you guys did know. So when we talk about old people, Napoleon not being perhaps Internet active, let's just put up the tweet that started all of this because Jimmy Johnson was calling them assholes. He was doing it on Twitter, but randomly he's doing it linked up to a fairbair field goal that highlighted. Yeah, cut the lead to five with a 51 big field goal in the Houston New England.

[B]

It was 10 days later that he tweeted this. How did he even find that one? So I've almost sent a tweet before. I'm like, oop.

[A]

I almost quote. Like I've, I've almost done that.

[B]

Like, how did he think to actually quote tweet? He didn't reply, quote tweeted.

[C]

He was emotional. He just went immediately to whatever was the first thing and hit send. Because I've not seen Jimmy Johnson, honest to God, I haven't seen this part of him publicly. Like he was genuinely pissed off. Look, I'll give you some of the backstory here, okay. Bill Belichick wouldn't have a whole lot of friends like Jimmy Johnson who have an entire commonality that very few people wouldn't understand. So it's a shortcut to friendship, right. That they both sort of lived similar professional lives. Bill Belichick goes to Jimmy Johnson's boat and as sort of envied the life that Jimmy Johnson has created post football and what Jimmy is doing there. Jimmy has gotten older and when he gets old and emotional, he starts crying about things that matter to him. And while he makes a throw up gesture when he talks about what football did to him, looking back on it, when he did so through his hall of Fame career, he wept like a baby because he was given a fountain of youth to examined sort of the gratitude he had that he didn't have time to have when he was busy competing. And he just saw that his friend was denied that moment. So he's pissed off. Like he's just super angry that his good friend doesn't get the after. After a pretty tough couple of years, we're going to. We know whatever you think of Bill Belichick success, we can agree that the last couple of years of Bill Belichick's life have probably been more unpleasant than most. We can agree on that. That no we can't.

[A]

No, I do not.

[B]

I know where David's going with this.

[C]

I think because he's having sex with a 20 year old.

[A]

That's what you guys are doing, by the way. That's like 82% of happiness.

[C]

Oh, my God, David.

[A]

I go like 78.

[C]

I mean, come on.

[A]

Fine, 78. Cody, I'll be, I'll. I'll come with you. It's 78.

[B]

What do you mean?

[C]

Okay, if you're an ape or a caveman. Yes. Okay, fine. That's the only way to get to happiness. I would say that the last two years of Bill Belichick's life have been fairly unpleasant public, publicly, maybe you guys know things privately that I don't know publicly. That seems like an unpleasant thing to have happen to you. What the last two years have felt like for Belichick.

[A]

I think there's a big difference between being the subject of a PTFO and having Jordan be all upset and threaten to sue and the way Bill views it all.

[C]

I'm talking about losing and, and, and your legacy, disgrace and, and all. And fighting with Bob Kraft in public. I'm talking about your professional identity being covered in cow shit.

[A]

Yet now that he didn't get in on the first ballot, all of a sudden he gets this entire cycle of greatest of all time. Absolutely the biggest slight in the history of hall of Fame based on total recency bias. Because I have to go back and look to see which other unbelievable players didn't get in in their first ballot. To say that this is the number one slight, the most egregious in the history, perpetuated by nothing but media assholes. It's. It's a little much to me, that's all.

[B]

There is some truth. I mean, yes, the last couple of years have been lousy publicly for Belichick. Last 24 hours gotten a hell of a lot more praise than he's gotten in a couple years.

[C]

That is correct. That ends up being an interesting thing that's happened to Bob Kraft where over the last 24 hours, it's the best reputation stuff that Bill Belichick has gotten in two years. That's not up for dispute. But you guys are telling me that part feels good without acknowledging the first part, which is the last two last two years probably were unpleasant to him other than the time that he was having sex.

[A]

I like to think that Robert Kraft may have miscalculated and may be thinking to stuff, though owners very rarely actually think they've done wrong, even when the result is bad. They don't view their actions as the cause of that result. They view all of us as misinterpreting what the action was. So you'd think that Robert Kraft would say, wow, I miscalculated. I didn't realize what I'd be doing was adding to his legacy and helping him be more of a hero throw. I was trying to make sure that my thumb continued to stay on his shoulder and keep him below me. And I wonder whether he regrets it. But knowing the way owners are, I would say he likely doesn't and views every all of this talk as really nothing and we'll all be soon forgotten. But Bill Belichick not being a first ballot hall of Famer will be just part of his byline. Dan it's not just the sex.

[B]

It's the companionship.

[A]

It is the snuggling.

[B]

It's the little look. Hey, let's go conversations, the yoga on the beach.

[A]

Let's go rent a house with a squeaky door.

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[A]

Don LeBatard.

[B]

World War Three stugats.

[C]

We're gonna get that off the ground.

[B]

World War Three Colon. Our group chat has a pretty good feeling about this one. This is the Dan Levatar show with the Stugats.

[C]

David, when you look at everything that is happening with Giannis Antetokounmpo, your thoughts are what I'm.

[A]

I'm just obsessed with. Upset about how it's being handled. I'm upset that what's happening is that. That Shams comes out and says, now it's. It looks like the Bucks are looking to listen. They're willing to listen. That doesn't change. Teams always listen on everybody. There's never been a time where you call on a player and say, no, no, I don't even want to hear what you have to say because there's always a trade that you will make for any player. Now, you deny that publicly, of course, and say, oh, know that we would never trade this person. But in the real world, the call comes in and you're like, hey, if you'd give five first round picks and you'd give three players, all of whom are outperforming their contract. So it's an eight for one. Yeah, that. We'll do that right now. And so there is always a reason to listen. I don't think the Bucks have changed their mind. And the whole. Giannis, I'm not going to ask for a trade. It's wrong. It doesn't actually work where the player walks in your office. I demand a trade. Trade. You just sort of know by being in the clubhouse and being around the player, and you go up to the player and you're like, hey, this is not working. That happens way more often than a player just walking in. I demand a trade. It's all ridiculous. And by the way, Giannis to the Heat with John Morant. Jeremy, this is what you think Pat Riley's gonna do? I find it to be hard to believe. Bill, let's open up Zillow Colonial.

[C]

Jeremy, can you get me the tier of tears here? Can you get me the tier of tears and put it in front of David to see whether he likes or dislikes our rankings?

[B]

4 and a half bath. All right, at the bottom we have frog in the throat. Then sniveling Choking back tears. Cutting onions. Allergies. Shedding a tear. Whimpering. The morning cry cry or the morning cry with a U. Waterworks Crying a river. Hysterical crying. Crocodile tears. Blubbering. The shower cry. The car cry. And the Noshon Moreno tear pools are a lot of work.

[A]

That's too many choices. What about.

[C]

It's an escalation, though. It's an escalation. It's a ranking system. It's not just choices. It's going from. It's going from the softest of tears and the least of the sadness. Sadness to the most of the sadness. So it's an escalating tier of.

[A]

Sorry. Thank you. What's the number one, Jeremy? What's the number?

[B]

Course the. The. The greatest is the no Sean Moreno singular tear during the national anthem. Look up Red Femme.

[A]

So, yeah, I don't know enough about that to comment, but that crying in.

[B]

Your car is just before that.

[A]

What about crying it sad like terms. Where's Terms of Endearment?

[C]

The morning cry? M O U R N I N G was like fourth from the time middle.

[A]

No, but that's morning someone, you know, I assume. Or morning a star.

[B]

Yeah. And then right before that is the morning cry of just, you know, waking up in the morning and getting yourself a good cry. Right.

[A]

I'm asking where the Terms of Endearment cries, which is the movie or commercial? Probably sentimental cry just after crying a.

[B]

River, but before crocodile tears.

[A]

No, I've got it way ahead. It's actually my second most common tier is the both tea in both tears. Thank you. Is the commercial, movie crochet. That, to me, is the second most common tier that I have. You can make it your man cave.

[C]

One of the schools, like David, can I. Since you're going to be hosting, I hope our Oscars show, since you're one of our movie experts, since you know movies so well, is it possible in any way that I can put on your screen antenna anywhere, the fact that Terms of Endearment cry, in all the 40 years since that movie has been made. There are other movies that are more recent that would appeal to, I don't know, know, Drew Ski's audience, for example.

[A]

I'd like. No, but I'd like to believe that you can talk about. We'll always have Paris. So there's certain things that transcend generations.

[C]

Yeah. Tony, how much. How much do you know about Terms of Endearment, Tony?

[B]

I have nothing. I don't know what we're talking about.

[C]

Jeremy, how much do you know? About the movie Terms of Endearment.

[B]

I know that it makes you cry. I know the movie that makes me cry. You ever see about time with Rachel McAdams and Donald Gleason? Harder than I cried. Harder at that movie than any other movie in my life.

[C]

All right, so I asked you a question. You didn't answer it because you just wanted to say what you already had loaded up. Up. No, that's not yes, and that's no. And I want to just add something here that I. That you can say no, and that's not. Do you know Terms of Endearment? I know you wanted to get in your stuff, but do you know Terms of Endearment? Yes or no?

[B]

No, I'm not very.

[C]

Okay. Thank you. God Almighty, man.

[B]

Oh, he's walking away. You didn't even send.

[C]

I didn't send him anywhere because now I'm just genuinely pissed. I asked you a question. It's like, no, no, no, let me do my show. And it's like, how about you do ours?

[B]

Got to redo the driveway.

[A]

I personally thought that that was additive.

[C]

Yeah, I don't care what you think. What's the movie you're reviewing for? He did what I am accusing him of. He. He just sort of ignored me. He's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, whatever you want to do. And I'll talk now about what I want to talk about. I had my thing lined up. Look at me. That's what he did.

[A]

The ultimate in ego is that you don't allow anyone around you for a no, and it's got to be a yes, and which is your code for keep it going, stay in character. Follow my lead. Jeremy was actually doing something that was additive to the audience by saying, hey, Turns of Endearment. You're an old fart. But about time. That's not a. That's not a recent movie, but that's one that everybody knows is a tear jerker. I thought it was outstanding Landing.

[B]

Let's watch House Hunters. I'll do International.

[A]

Let's talk about Chevy. Well, wait a minute.

[C]

They're doing it. David. They're doing a thing here. David, David, David. I mean, David, you asked me to.

[B]

Review a movie better because it's not just looking at houses, but it's also a travel show, which I really like. You got a good idea of the cold trim. Let's put that on.

[C]

And then Property bros. Now talk about your comedian from the 70s that you want to talk about out.

[A]

There's this guy named Chevy Chase. He was in the original cast of a show called Saturday Night Live, which is still on Saturday nights at 11:30pm and there's a documentary called I'm Chevy Chase and you're not, which was his signature line. And Chevy Chase may be known to people as the guy from community, or he may be known as the guy who plays is Fletch or the one who flirted with Christie Brinkley. You may know him from myriad projects, but in real life, he may be difficult. And I like it. It's a documentary that shows all the people who think that Chevy Chase is a true. And I didn't care. I don't need him to be liked by his fellow castmates. I don't need him to be enjoyed as a person. I want him to entertain me. And he has done nothing but entertain me my entire life. So I tip my chapeau to Chevy Chase and thank him. And hey, you're not popular. You do a lot of coke. Great. Thank you. Why would my reaction to the movie. I thanked him so much during that film. And I'm just glad he didn't die. I'm glad he didn't overdose like the other young comedians who did as much coke and they died and then couldn't entertain me anymore. I'm glad that Chevy did not die from all the coke.

[B]

David, why. Why do you think he would agree to do this, this film?

[A]

Oh, I assume he was paid. Yeah. These guys do not have the money that you think they do. It's one of the weirdest things about what people's perception is of money. When he goes to these comic cons or does autograph sessions. And you saw him during the movie, remember, Dan, if you watched it, he was signing all those photos. That's a. That's a deal. You get with a memorabilia dealer and you get paid quite a bit of money if you're Jevy Jeff Chase. And so I assume for this movie he got paid. Oh, I love that. I know he got paid. Every master interviewer.

[C]

For the love of God, David, they're doing a thing.

[A]

David.

[C]

David.

[B]

Give them the room to stop talking and then we go.

[C]

Yeah, that's how that works, David. You use.

[B]

You don't stop talking.

[C]

And then.

[B]

And one more thing.

[C]

As listening devices, you use your ears for their intended purpose. Let Mike and Chris do their thing.

[B]

I think it'll still work.

[C]

Bill Belichick and Jordan trying to make travel arrangements.

[A]

Oh, I love that backsplash.

[B]

Got that island you like now.

[A]

Go, David.

[C]

Zaz, I should point out, I think David's wrong. I Don't think it's because he was paid. I also don't think it was a sad movie. I think it was a complete picture of somebody who has been represented for 50 years as a bit of an asshole. And so there's some asshole in it, but it was a complete look at humanizing him. And so I don't think that he is upset. Maybe he's upset about the clip they used to sell it because it's the one clip that makes him look like a jerk to the interviewer. But the entirety of the movie is something that is a more complete picture of somebody that is just human is all it is. Did you cry during the movie, David? Because I think this is your favorite guy. He has made some of your favorite movies.

[A]

Can I go now? No, I know I didn't cry. I will tell you, though, that I know he wasn't in control and that he was paid because of the PR clip that was used. If it were his documentary under his name, that never would have been in the final documentary and certainly it wouldn't have been the promo clip. So therefore, it was to draw an audience in who only knows him, maybe from his most recent work in Community. And it made him out to be terrible. And most people, as you know, only watch the preview and not the full movie. And so they have this view of him. And I frankly just don't think he cares. But, no, I didn't find it maudlin.

[B]

I didn't cry during that documentary. But, you know, when I did cry? Dan, about time you watched it. Minor penalty, two minutes for adding nothing. Dave. I looked up the plot for Terms of Endearment, 1983, and, yeah, this movie looks like it sucks. I would never watch this.

[A]

It's old Tony. But take a look at who's in it. And I see.

[B]

I see some names I like. You know, Jeff Daniels, Jack Nicholas, Jack Nicholson, excuse me. Who's a former astronaut of some sort. But again, I think I'm good.

[C]

David Sampson. The name of the podcast is. Is nothing personal. And there are two things here. There's two things that I remember from this hour that we have spent with him. One of them is this.

[A]

You do a lot of coke. Great.

[C]

And the other is, for some reason, David decided he wasn't happy enough with the useless cliche of tip my hat. So he made it a French hat. He decided to not just tip his hat for some reason, he tipped his chapeau, or. What is the. What is the word you use?

[A]

That's the word.

[B]

Word.

[C]

I know but why'd you do that?

[A]

That's what a hat is.

[C]

Yeah, but why'd you go French, David.

[A]

Why do you go Spanish? Dan?

[C]

No, tip my hat. It's tip my. What do you mean you're.

[B]

You're friends?

[C]

David, If I'm talking to someone in Spanish, I go Spanish. If I. If I'm talking to somebody in English, I don't go French with an. With an American cliche.

[B]

So. This one's got high ceilings. Oh, I love that crown molding.

[C]

Nothing Personal. Name of the podcast. It is exceptional. And he watches a movie every day and has returned to reviewing movies on Nothing Personal as well. David, good seeing you. Thanks for the time. Feel free to use those things on the side of your head as listening devices as opposed to just waiting for.

[A]

I promise I will talk. Yes. I will not interrupt anymore.

[C]

Stop interrupting. Stop talking when I. Talking. Thank you.

[A]

No, but I.

[C]

Please stop talking. I'm trying to say goodbye. I need you to. I need you to just. Just be quiet so that I could get to the end of this. I need you to stop right now. Just stop. Just stop. Just stop.

[A]

I just have one thing.

[C]

No, I was joking. You should have done it while I was talking, not when I stopped. That was the time to do it correctly.

[A]

You do a lot of coke. Great.