The Big Suey: David Samson, The Saquon Barkley Handler

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Big Suey: David Samson, The Saquon Barkley Handler

Released on March 5, 2025

In this episode of The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz, hosts Dan LeBatard and Stugotz engage in a lively and insightful discussion covering a range of topics from contractual negotiations and sports controversies to memorable personal anecdotes. The episode is punctuated with humor, candid conversations, and thought-provoking debates, making it a compelling listen for sports enthusiasts and pop culture aficionados alike.

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1. David Samson’s Contract and Potential Departure

The episode opens with a candid discussion about David Samson's contractual status with the show. After a two-year stint, David addresses concerns regarding promotional support from Meadowlark Media.

David Samson [03:55]: "When you asked me to join, it was for two years, and the two years is up this month."

David explains his reluctance to continue promos, citing the timing and effectiveness of daily show promotions compared to the show's format. The conversation delves into the dynamics between David and his colleagues, highlighting the nuances of television contracts and professional relationships.

David Samson [04:12]: "I have no... I just know that when you asked me to join, it was for two years, and the two years is up this month."

2. Pete Rose and Presidential Pardons

A significant portion of the discussion revolves around the controversial figure Pete Rose and the implications of a potential posthumous pardon by former President Donald Trump. The hosts debate Rose’s eligibility for the Baseball Hall of Fame and the ethical considerations surrounding his legacy.

David Samson [07:38]: "When it comes to a federal crime, if you're the president, the president has zero, say zero in terms of eligibility for the hall of Fame."

The debate intensifies as the hosts consider the impact of Pete Rose’s actions on the integrity of the sport and the role of presidential pardons in rectifying past wrongdoings.

Billy Corben [12:36]: "Jeremy just agreed with me and then took the polar opposite position."

3. Saquon Barkley at a Bar Mitzvah

David Samson shares an entertaining anecdote about coordinating an appearance by NFL star Saquon Barkley at a bar mitzvah. The story highlights Saquon’s professionalism and the challenges of managing a high-profile athlete in a festive setting.

David Samson [15:10]: "I was at a bar mitzvah where all of a sudden a special guest was introduced and the special guest was Saquon Barkley..."

David recounts the logistics involved in securing Saquon’s participation and the enthusiastic reactions from the young attendees. The segment underscores Saquon’s positive influence and his ability to connect with fans outside of the sports arena.

David Samson [25:24]: "But there's no reason to have people hug. Saquon Barkley is an A-lister when it comes to 13-year-old boys and their parents."

4. Dallas Mavericks Ticket Price Increase

The hosts analyze the Dallas Mavericks' decision to raise ticket prices amid a challenging season. David Samson critiques the timing and communication strategy employed by the team's management, emphasizing the potential backlash from fans.

Jeremy [30:44]: "Is there any universe where you say maybe we freeze it for a year..."

David Samson [33:15]: "After what happened with the Mavs, I would have actually announced a decrease. I would have found a way to announce the decrease."

The discussion covers the financial implications for the team and the importance of maintaining fan loyalty through transparent and considerate pricing strategies.

5. Vow Renewals: A Step Towards Divorce?

In a lighter segment, the hosts debate the relevance and perception of vow renewals, questioning their necessity for couples who are already married. David Samson expresses skepticism about the trend, associating it with marital instability.

Amin Elhassan [35:34]: "Yes."

David Samson [35:36]: "Renewals in general are for old people who have no other option but to say, hey, we might as well stick it out, no matter how miserable we are."

The conversation highlights varying perspectives on modern relationship practices and the societal expectations surrounding marriage celebrations.

6. Cancellation of the TV Show "Bookie"

The episode shifts focus to the unexpected cancellation of the TV show "Bookie." David Samson and Jeremy discuss their disappointment over the show's termination despite its positive reception and engaging storytelling.

David Samson [40:39]: "I'm not reviewing a movie. I'm not reviewing the fact that I lost to Adnan in the Oscar ballot... I just don't know why it was canceled."

The hosts speculate on possible reasons behind the show's cancellation, including budget constraints and network decisions, while expressing hope that the series might find a new home in the future.

Jeremy [42:14]: "I'll ask him. Sure. I'll send him a message."

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Notable Moments and Quotes

• David Samson on Promos:
  "I'm still looking for graphics help. So the answer is I have no. I don't know. I just know that when you asked me to join, it was for two years, and the two years is up this month." [03:55]

• Pete Rose Pardon Discussion:
  "When it comes to a federal crime, if you're the president, the president has zero, say zero in terms of eligibility for the hall of Fame." [07:38]

• Saquon Barkley at the Bar Mitzvah:
  "There was breaking news that happened while we were together, and that was the Deebo Samuel trade." [15:10]

• Mavericks Ticket Prices Critique:
  "After what happened with the Mavs, I would have actually announced a decrease. I would have found a way to announce the decrease." [33:15]

• Vow Renewals Skepticism:
  "Renewals in general are for old people who have no other option but to say, hey, we might as well stick it out, no matter how miserable we are." [35:36]

• "Bookie" Cancellation:
  "I'm not reviewing a movie. I'm not reviewing the fact that I lost to Adnan in the Oscar ballot... I just don't know why it was canceled." [40:39]

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Conclusion

This episode of The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz offers a blend of serious discussions and light-hearted banter, showcasing the hosts' ability to navigate complex topics with humor and insight. From contractual negotiations and sports ethics to personal stories and media critiques, the conversation provides listeners with a comprehensive look into the multifaceted world of sports and entertainment.

Whether you're a long-time listener or new to the show, this episode delivers engaging content that resonates with a diverse audience, ensuring that valuable insights and memorable moments are shared with every listener.

Transcript

[Dan LeBatard]

You're listening to Giraffe Kings Network.

[Stugotz]

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[Billy Corben]

Why are you listening to this show?

[David Sampson]

The podcast that seems very similar to the other Dan LeBatard podcast? I'm sorry, I'm not going to apologize for that.

[Stugotz]

In fact, the only difference seems to be this imaging.

[Billy Corben]

I have been tempted in restaurants just walking past tables to grab somebody's fries that if they're just there, that hasn't happened to you guys.

[David Sampson]

I've done it.

[Stugotz]

And now here's the Marching man to.

[David Sampson]

Nowhere Fat Face and the Habitual Liar.

[Billy Corben]

I cannot believe the number of people who just climbed into my ears and said, hey, we requested promos for Nothing Personal from David Sampson and his team and still have received nothing from David Sampson, who came on last week complaining that Meadowlark doesn't support anything that he does. David, how do you defend yourself? Because I've got both rooms shouting in my ear that you sent nothing.

[David Sampson]

Yeah, I just think with a few weeks left in any sort of deal, there's no reason to start promos after two years of being with you. That's all too little too late.

[Billy Corben]

Oh, so your contract's up and. And you don't want promos.

[David Sampson]

Talk about it. I'm just saying that the promo that you asked for, I like. It's all good. That's how you're leading the segment you just talked about. Why don't we talk about what a great promo was that Goodfellow just had and encourage people to watch good follow and engage with it and stop pointing out the things that aren't done by Meadowlark or by me and things that are done. We should focus on how great good follow is.

[Amin Elhassan]

In David and Coca's defense, I will say for the most part, the. The promos are done for shows that are done, like, once or twice weekly. David's is a daily show. So by the time he cuts a promo for the show, the show's already out. And the next day it wouldn't be useful anymore. So unless you want to say, hey, go check out my episode from last Wednesday. We talked about, you know, the basketball games from the night before. I don't know that it really would serve David very.

[Jessica]

It could also just be an evergreen sell of the show, I think.

[Jeremy]

Yeah, that's. Is David leaving?

[Billy Corben]

Like, when is your contract at that?

[David Sampson]

I'm still looking for graphics help. So the answer is I have no. I don't know. I just know that when you asked me to join, it was for two years, and the two years is up this month. So this is your opportunity to get rid of me permanently.

[Billy Corben]

Are you coveted?

[David Sampson]

I guess you'll just have to figure that out if you do. Like, nothing personal when you listen.

[Billy Corben]

Yeah, nothing personal is great. I say it all the time. I just didn't know that your contract was up. You threw that at us.

[David Sampson]

You I don't expect. It's the irony of you not knowing that. It's obvious why you don't know that. Because when I ask you to engage in conversations because you're the one I have to talk to. It's all good.

[Billy Corben]

I'm not the one.

[David Sampson]

I am not something we should be talking about.

[Billy Corben]

I am not the one you want to be talking to.

[Amin Elhassan]

Just is handling your negotiations, David.

[David Sampson]

There is. I'm not laughing because Jess couldn't. I'm laughing because Jess isn't. I'm simply laughing that way. We have so much to go over right now in the world of sports business and interesting things to talk about.

[Dan LeBatard]

David, I'm hiring you to a lifetime contract.

[David Sampson]

I appreciate that. And I think you're doing that because you know how old I am and how short term that would be.

[Mike Ryan]

Oh, you're my friend.

[David Sampson]

Thank you, Amin.

[Jeremy]

There you go.

[Billy Corben]

Last. Last week on the show, you. We didn't talk about this nearly enough. You thought that as you aged, you would not get any shorter, you would get taller. Like that's. I still don't understand.

[David Sampson]

I have a follow up, Dan, because it is true that I have a direct line to my doctor. And after last week, I was so despondent that I did call the doctor to talk about this because I wanted to understand what I was in for. I don't like surprises at all. And it was told to me that short people shrink less. And I am in position where there could be a lack of shrinkage.

[Billy Corben]

But they shrink. You thought they would grow. Short people also shrink. Nobody with age grows after a certain age.

[Jessica]

You do have less to shrink. No one's disputing that.

[David Sampson]

This is an accomplished doctor. This is not like a Cracker Jack's Box, Holiday and Express type of thing. This is a famous doctor who said that the chance of me shrinking is de minimis.

[Amin Elhassan]

You go to McGillicundy too.

[David Sampson]

Look at me, Louie, because I have a doctor.

[Jessica]

Famous doctor.

[Jeremy]

Does a famous doctor make you a better doctor?

[Dan LeBatard]

Ask Dr. Phil or Dr. Oz.

[David Sampson]

Well, those are not the type. Hold on. Those are different doctors. That's not the type of doctor. Now, I do see and pay attention and talk to doctors like that from time to time. Every Wednesday at 6:00pm but that is not what I'm referring to. I'm referring to a medical doctor, a cardiologist, because I do have a 32% issue that he did tell me about on the call when he told me I didn't have shrinkage. He said, I've got some other things that we have to deal with. Not ideal. If I were you, I would not look at me long term.

[Dan LeBatard]

Is that what you were going to report in the first part, Dan? Is he the one that said, I.

[Amin Elhassan]

Mean, this is the wrong president we thought was dying?

[Billy Corben]

Jessica, I'm sorry, I didn't hear what you said. There were three other jokes being made between just Billy and Amin, on and on Affair. Can you tell me please, David? Because I wanted to talk to you about something they mentioned during the shadow show earlier. Jessica and Jeremy disagreed with what it is that we had to say earlier in the week about Pete Rose. I don't know what your take is on Pete Rose, David, and the hall of Fame. And Manfred, now considering it and being in a position where Donald Trump is pardoning, is pardoning Pete Rose posthumously.

[David Sampson]

Well, first let's talk about the pardon of Pete Rose by Donald Trump. The only thing he can pardon him for is for his conviction of the federal crime of tax evasion for which he served a five month sentence. He actually served five months. You can do a posthumous pardon of that. You can wipe the slate clean. You can do anything you want. When it comes to a federal crime. If you're the president, the president has zero, say zero in terms of eligibility for the hall of Fame. What the President can do is threaten baseball with a couple of ditties. And what I talked about is the two ditties that Trump has is the owner's tax loophole, which they use, that we've talked about on this show, where when you buy a team, you get to depreciate the assets of that team, which just means you get a tax break for five years. And Trump is threatening to close that tax break. That's a big one. And the second one is the antitrust exemption. He could threaten to take that away, but all he can do is threaten to do it if you don't reinstate Pete Rose. But even Trump may know that reinstating Pete Rose does not therefore put him into the hall of Fame. It makes him eligible.

[Jeremy]

I'm sorry if I already served the time. Please don't wipe my sleep clean, especially after I die. That does nothing for me or my family.

[Stugotz]

Well, that was kind of part of my question was what are you pardoning him from? Is it the potential child sex crimes that have been reported? Because that. No, that's the thing here. Like, we as a show were all sort of gung ho about, like, you know what? Here's another thing to agree with Donald Trump about. Let's get Pete Rose in the hall of Fame. That guy sucks. He's a terrible human being. Who passed. He was. He's dead. And I don't know why we have to relitigate it now as if this is some big culture war that we need to get to. Oh, no, Pete Rose is injustice. I wonder why Donald Trump thinks that a guy like Pete Rose who served time for tax evasion needs to be thrown back into the public sphere as some hero and have his reputation, you know, brought back into everything. It's crazy because John Dowd is The guy who reported all of this about Pete Rose, guy from MVP baseball 2005. Yeah, that John Dowd. No, John Dowd the lawyer was the one who went after him. And if you think, if you think first for some reason that the only reason I'm going after Pete Rose is because of a relationship with Donald Trump. Well, let me tell you, John Dowd is the lawyer who defended Donald Trump in the Russia probe from 2017-18. And I shit you not, the other lawyer that he decided to bring on was a guy named Ty Cobb. More baseball for you. Pretty unbelievable. Yeah, John Dowd hired Ty Cobb to defend Donald Trump. Not that Ty Cobb, a different lawyer. It's just unbe that we would even spend any amount of time arguing that Pete Rose, that guy deserves an opportunity to go to the hall of Fame. What is the thing about character? They even talk about it.

[Dan LeBatard]

What are we doing?

[Jessica]

That was Jeremy's woke take of the week.

[Dan LeBatard]

Dan wanted to make a posthumously post humorously joke on Monday and that was how he was able to fit it in.

[Stugotz]

Good. Speaking of that Russia probe, Ukraine. That's crazy, huh?

[David Sampson]

As soon as Dan gets the reins back to the show, we can possibly continue to talk about. The issue with Pete Rose was talked about with the commissioner ten years ago, before he became commissioner and whether or not as part of becoming commissioner, should we take Pete Rose off the permanently ineligible list and give the writers an opportunity to decide what to do with him? And the decision was made at the time. No. We're going to stay with what Giamatti decided and what Selig has enforced and been passionate about. And then the gambling money came into sports in a very direct way. And it became clear that there had to be a third rail. And the third rail is not everything you described at all, Jeremy. The third rail is the betting on baseball. That is the reason why there has not been any thought to take him off the permanently ineligible list. And I think it would be a very bad move for baseball to take him off that list even after he's croaked, because I don't want anyone to think that betting on a sport that you are playing in, even to win, is a good idea.

[Stugotz]

I agree with you, David. There's already plenty of reason to keep him out. And then there's also all of that horrible shit about him as a human being.

[David Sampson]

But. But Jeremy, again, you have to look at the hall of Fame and there are decisions that writers make. Dan, you can ask Dan. He was one of the lucky few who had a ballot to Vote people into the hall of fame. And I'm not sure what percentage character played in his voting process.

[Billy Corben]

No, not at all. I gave up my vote for that very reason, because the moralizing about a museum bothered me. But Jeremy is talking about real and legitimate sex crimes that Pete Rose went to the grave no longer, you know, never suffering consequences for. And he was a horrible person. And that has nothing to do with any of the things that we're talking about here. What? What?

[Stugotz]

But it has everything to do with it, right? Because if reputationally, we're talking about pardoning this man for all of the things that having this negative skew about him publicly for, it's important to have the whole context of the man who was no longer here. I just don't understand the reasoning behind it.

[Jeremy]

I hear you. Jeremy, on the other hand, remember how he used to run to first base?

[Stugotz]

He would slide and his helmet would fly.

[David Sampson]

Our lesbians.

[Jessica]

Jeremy's back.

[Stugotz]

Oh, the hustle. Dirt on the uniform.

[Billy Corben]

So which is it, David? Nothing to do or everything to do? Because Jeremy just agreed with me and then took the polar opposite position.

[David Sampson]

I can't figure out, frankly, and I'm trying very hard to listen as everyone talks at once what Jeremy's point is, because I know he knows that a presidential pardon has nothing to do with any crimes that have not been charged to Pete Rose or his character flaws or his gambling. The pardon as defined, the power of the pardon is for federal crimes.

[Stugotz]

That's right. Look, he already served his time for the federal crimes. So my question was like, what are we really pardoning for? And that was a sarcastic question because.

[David Sampson]

Jeremy, all the time.

[Stugotz]

I understand that pardons happen all the.

[David Sampson]

Time for people who've served their time already. That is a very common use of presidential pardons because it does wipe your slate clean. So, for example, have you ever been convicted of a felon? You actually get to say no.

[Stugotz]

And my question would be is why are we doing that for Pete Rose? What does that have to do with anything or anyone? And why are we calling for MLB to get off their, quote, fat, lazy ass and do something about it? It's insane. David, we don't have to, like, we agree on this, right? This isn't that crazy, what I'm saying. It's not that crazy to say we shouldn't agree with Trump on pardoning Pete Rose because that guy sucks. What's so complicated?

[David Sampson]

You have to go through the pardon list of everyone who gets pardoned by every president in order to have the position you're taking.

[Dan LeBatard]

No, you don't just have that position because he is a baseball fan.

[Stugotz]

Yeah. I am allowed to not like Pete Rose and think he should be part of this.

[David Sampson]

I take it back. You may have any position you want. That's the beautiful part of what is and could potentially be in the future our country.

[Stugotz]

Well, not on college campuses because they're going to pull off federal funding if you protest on a college campus. Anyway. Dan, back to you.

[Billy Corben]

Thank you guys. Jeremy, David, can you explain to me why I heard on Nothing Personal that you were at a bar mitzvah with Saquon Barkley?

[David Sampson]

I was. So this is a true story. I was at a bar mitzvah where all of a sudden a special guest was introduced and the special guest was Saquon Barkley who was there prior to signing his deal that became made him the highest paid running back ever. And he is now having spent one hour with about 100, 2012 and 13 year old boys and girls at a bar mitzvah who were better behaved than the adults at the bar mitzvah who were elbowing the kids out of the way to ask Saquon to do the hurdle. And you can see the way he was dressed, which was in a nice puffer jack and he was dressed very nicely. Actually he wasn't going to do the hurdle. And part of the deal of Saquon coming was, hey, I'm here for the kids, not the adults. And the adults were a bunch of babies, they were out of their minds. And we got Saquon to autograph a couple of things including super bowl hats. And so Saquon autographed them and they were for the kids only.

[Amin Elhassan]

Wait a minute. So the adults were very poorly behaved, you not being one of them, but you took pictures with him and asked him for his autograph.

[David Sampson]

I'm just saying that the adults in general were poorly behaved and I had the opportunity to meet him and be helpful in this project of having Saquon Barkley attend the bar mitzvah and therefore I was able to secure a chapeau.

[Amin Elhassan]

Did you get the indication from Saquon's participation that had he signed his contract the day before, he would have still done said bar mitzvah appearance?

[David Sampson]

He is so good, Billy. I've done so many appearances with athletes in my career. He's one of the best, most interesting, friendly, well natured athlete I've been around. He was so pleasant and good. He was there with his fiance and a great friend of his and there was just nothing bad to report. And there was breaking news that happened while we were together, and that was the Debo Samuel trade. It broke Saturday night while we were in the green room waiting for the appearance to happen. And his reaction to the trade fascinated me because at first I presented it in a funny way. Hey, breaking news. Saquon Debo Samuel has been traded. And he said to the Eagles. And I said, what's the worst case scenario? Because that's where he was traded. And he said, NFC East. And I said, commanders. And he said, at least it's not Myles Garrett. So it is true that he was thinking about his sort of health and safety and Myles Garrett being a bigger issue. But he acknowledged that getting firepower around a young quarterback is a smart way to get better if you are a football team. But he is certainly is looking forward to trying to defend their super bowl title because he doesn't want to. He wants to have to pay.

[Jessica]

Pat Riley, you just mentioned a green room. Were you like a guest of honor as well? Like, why would you be in the green room with him?

[David Sampson]

So I was. I was sort of the coordinator of the event.

[Jessica]

Okay.

[David Sampson]

Of the time with Saquon. I was helpful and trying to.

[Billy Corben]

All right, well, now I want more details.

[Amin Elhassan]

Sound like a pimp.

[David Sampson]

All right, now, coordinator, There was no sex in the green room.

[Amin Elhassan]

Well, I'm oh, there's green in the.

[Jeremy]

Green room, but there is no sex in the green room.

[David Sampson]

There is that. Now, if you're a rock star on tour, I would say that there could be sex in the green room or in the after show. But in this case, no. This was a green room at a bar mitzvah at a venue. So the detail is that I was asked to help foment an appearance by a football player and the thought was that the bar mitzvah boys favorite player was Saquon Barkley. And would I have any ability to help bring Saquon Barkley to this child's bar mitzvah? And the answer is, of course I could. I did. And it was a about a five month process, but it all worked out in the end and he did make the appearance and he couldn't have been better.

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[David Sampson]

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[Amin Elhassan]

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[Billy Corben]

Wait a minute. I want you to answer some questions here to the degree that you're comfortable. Because if you're saying it's a five month process, you do have to understand at this point in terms of getting Saquon Barkley to do something like that, whatever that costs now, it's probably not what it cost five months ago, but my guess is what it would cost now would be like half a million dollars, $1 million to get Saquon Barkley to give you that time. Now, what can you give us in terms of details of how hard this was to coordinate over five months?

[David Sampson]

So his agents were great, his mother's great, he's great. But the fact of the matter is that we identified him as a guest many, many moons before he was going to break Eric Dickerson's record. Many moons before the Eagles had their run to the Super Bowl. And I did have the mother of the bar mitzvah boy calling me every five minutes for two weeks in between the NFC Championship and the super bowl saying, what are we rooting for here? Is he gonna blow us off if he wins? Is he gonna blow us off because he's angry if they lose? And of course, when the Eagles had that big lead at the half, she called and said and what's your decision? So I did have to speak to the agents after the super bowl. And as you'd imagine, there is a rate card difference once you're a Super bowl champion, but a deal is a deal, and once you sign a deal, that's your deal. And Saquon, again, could not have been a better choice in terms of the way he acted and how great he was. But it's more than an hour. There's travel time to the venue. He doesn't live in New York anymore. So there's travel time to the venue, there's travel time back home. So it's a pretty big commitment from him. And the good news is that he wrapped it around other appearances at much higher rates, because he's able to do that in a way that with our deal, we had a contract signed already.

[Jeremy]

David, forget about his compensation. I hope you got compensated well, because the idea of A having to deal with someone pestering me for something that I booked B to get there, say, okay, I booked the guy, he shows up, we're good, right? Nope. You have all these adults. I'm staggered that there are actual grownups who would behave in that way in terms of.

[Stugotz]

Not in terms of. No, no, no.

[Jeremy]

Not in terms of pictures and autographs. Do the hurdle. Are you high? Who has someone. Hey, just jump over. Hey, you. You. You kind of leap at him and then you jump over him and split your legs. Who asked something like that? Earnestly, not as a joke.

[David Sampson]

What about this one? There were people who asked him for a hug, and I said, as his protector for the time he was there, I played the bad guy and I said, there will be no hugging. So I started with that. I allowed a few fist bumps.

[Billy Corben]

Great slogan for you in general at life, by the way. Just in general. There will be no hugging.

[Jeremy]

Memoir.

[David Sampson]

No, I'm a big hugger, Dan. I love hugging. But. But there's no reason to have people hug. Sake one. So I had a list of mean is your answer. We had agreements on how many photos would be taken or how many things would be signed or how long he'd be there. And I had very, very detailed lists that I still have with me that have each photo and each thing that signed. So it was extremely organized. And at the end of the time, Saquon said he's never had an appearance quite like that one, where he was so well respected and handled in a way that made him realize that, yes, I had run a team before and been around athletes before.

[Billy Corben]

I mean, why are you laughing? In David's face because the whole thing.

[Jeremy]

That he just gave us there was just to serve the last statement, which is he'd never been handled like that in an appearance before. He said it was the most professional, most awesome experience of his life.

[David Sampson]

I mean we, we. He had to be back in the car. The deal was that he'd be back in the car at 7:30 on his way out the door. He was back in the car at 7:29. And to get that done, the rush of people who had to be parted. I mean he's a major, especially at a bar mitzvah you're talking or anywhere. Saquon Barkley is an A lister when it comes to 13 year old boys and their parents. And having been a former Giant and having just won the super bowl, there was a tremendous amount of activity and I did not, not have security hired because I didn't want to pay for that or have anyone pay for that. So instead I was the security and the irony is that I counted A mean. You'll be pleased with the fact that my brain was working. There were 12 of the 13 year old boys who were already taller than I was and they were awfully aggressive but yet I somehow was able, even in my blazer, to fend them off Heisman style.

[Dan LeBatard]

You were leading Blazer would fend off anyone though, to be fair.

[David Sampson]

Oh, that's a great blazer.

[Jeremy]

You were lead blocking for Saquon Barkley.

[David Sampson]

I was actually and I, it's funny because yes, I am smaller than he is by a lot and there were bigger people around me, but my voice was strong and, and remember I was, I had incentive to do this, which is, I wanted to be protective of him and how great he was and all the great charitable work, all the cool stuff he does. I didn't want him to have a bad taste in his mouth about bar mitzvahs because there are certain people who don't make those type of appearances if need be.

[Amin Elhassan]

David, were you prepared to neutralize any 12 or 13 year old threats?

[David Sampson]

Oh, I, I did neutralize some of them. I absolutely did. I.

[Amin Elhassan]

Your pressure point guy, like you go like behind the ear and then they fall to their knees and they pee themselves or something. How did, how do you do it as a security guard?

[David Sampson]

No, when, when you're, when you're 65 inches, you do everything with your voice. I do nothing physically because that's going to be a losing proposition. So I do it with my voice.

[Dan LeBatard]

65 inches for now, yeah.

[Amin Elhassan]

But he can only go to 64.

[David Sampson]

There's going to be very little shrinkage.

[Amin Elhassan]

Billy, I'm with you.

[David Sampson]

Can you where I swim before we.

[Billy Corben]

Get to the Mavs price hike joke? Yes, that's what he threw us at the very end. A tiny little, tiny little joke at the end.

[Amin Elhassan]

No, not tiny. He told us I want to get.

[Billy Corben]

To the Mavs price hike. But the way that you're saying that Saquon Barkley is going from bar mitzvah to bar mitzvah on a Saturday could.

[David Sampson]

No, I didn't say bar mitzvah.

[Billy Corben]

No event to event or appearance to appearance.

[David Sampson]

Events, appearances, things that he does.

[Billy Corben]

But. So what I'm asking you is. Can say Saquon Barkley make a million dollars doing that on a Saturday? Not. Not just at yours, just bouncing around.

[David Sampson]

It would not be out of the question for Saquon Barkley to be able to make that amount of money. It just would not do. I do. I think it happened Saturday. I'd have no way to know, but I would. I would doubt it. There's a nice hug with me and Dominique. Although that was more of a dab than a hug, I believe. Dab, dammit. Damn it.

[Jessica]

A dab is when you get really high.

[David Sampson]

I want it to be so cool right there.

[Billy Corben]

You're so bad.

[David Sampson]

Well, I believe that's a dab.

[Dan LeBatard]

A little dab will do you the.

[Billy Corben]

Words you use during these 20 minutes. Diddy's. You threw a ditties at us. You threw a croaked at us. Which I don't think a lot of people are using for debt anymore. Put it on the poll at Le Batard show. Do you use the word croaked to talk about debt? Amin, do you have any thoughts on the Mavs raising their ticket prices?

[Jeremy]

Yeah, I actually wanted to talk to David about this because the raising of the prices actually is fairly standard. And David can fact check me that. That's 8.6% across the board. Isn't that egregious? Including, I believe it's a 20% on some of the floor seats. The egregious part about it was A, it comes on the heels of. Of a lot of bad PR for the team locally. B, the fact that in this letter to the season ticket holders, they said this is for investments in the team and in fan engagement. And C, this is perhaps the most egregious part. They name check. Hey, if you sign up early, there are strong financial advantages to getting tickets such as the Lakers in April. And that one to me is like that the first person I actually thought of was David. I said, david, how do you have such a breakdown in communication? Because Nico Harrison is not responsible for any of that. But as a organization, there has to be some sort of unified voice on this. You can't be so tone deaf as to send to your season ticket holders, hey, remember the team we traded your favorite player to? Guess what? If you sign up now for these increased season tickets, you'll get priority on these tickets against that player.

[David Sampson]

Yeah, it's not uncommon to promote when you are playing against a team that has a former player of yours. It is uncommon to do it at that time. My issue with this, Dan, was the timing. And I mean, I can tell you that there has got to be a big mistake that they announced this season ticket price increase. And let me tell you how the math should have worked. If I want to increase my gate revenue, I'm going to increase floor seats. Because you get a lot more bang for your buck by going from 300 to 400. And then you do by raising tickets, you know, in the upper deck from 20 to 24, and then it looks like you're doing a 20% price increase. You're really always solving to maximize your revenue. And what I told my salespeople after a bad year is we want to announce no increase, but we are going to increase revenue by increasing certain tickets. But we want to be able to have a PR statement that says, overall, there was no price increase and we wouldn't then get into specifics about where there were and where there weren't. I never would have allowed an announcement of plus 8.6 after a season of folly that the Mavs have had.

[Jeremy]

David, is there any universe where if you're looking at debt revenues and you're saying, look, we need more money, is there any universe where you say maybe we freeze it for a year and then revisit this a year from now based on the incredible negative reaction that we've gotten over the last month?

[David Sampson]

So I would have. After what happened with the Mavs, I would have actually announced a decrease. I would have found a way to announce the decrease. But having it actual not be a decrease in revenue because of what we did in certain sections. Because you're right. And Nico Harrison, he's not blameless here. Did you read his statements? I talked about it on Today's Nothing personal. Which is for today. Tomorrow there'll be another one at 8am live. But today I talked about Nico's statement about Kyrie Irving. Comparing Kyrie to Kobe and what A great person Kyrie is and how important he is to the fabric of the city and how much they love him and how. It was so bizarre to me that I just asked Nico during the show that I did if he could just shut the yapper for a hot second, because I think he's not helping himself at all with all the things he's trying to do. There was no reason to go to the Laker game and have a stare down with Luca. There was just no reason for that. You can go to the game as the opposing GM and not be on TV on the court during practice like that, when you know the cameras are on you. So everything he does is purposeful, and I think it's all wrong.

[Billy Corben]

Listen to nothing personal every day where you can hear live David Sampson tell Nico to shut his yapper for a hot second.

[Jessica]

What was that?

[Billy Corben]

Shut your yapper doing? Shut your yapper for a hot second.

[David Sampson]

Nico, are you saying that's another old statement?

[Billy Corben]

We just don't know what you're saying.

[Jessica]

Hot second. Like what?

[Billy Corben]

What's a hot second? How many the second is. Why is the second hot? Not.

[Jeremy]

Okay, you guys are picking on them now.

[David Sampson]

Language is meant for communication, Dan. And I believe the listeners of our show know exactly what I meant. And listeners of your show do, too. And what they're asking themselves now likely is, why are you even commenting on my use of yapper in hot second when we could be doing a movie review or something else in our remaining time?

[Amin Elhassan]

David, let me bring you in on something we were discussing earlier. Would you agree that a vow renewal is a stop on the train track to divorce?

[Jeremy]

Yes.

[Billy Corben]

That's a.

[David Sampson]

Yes.

[Dan LeBatard]

That's a. I've got. I've had one. That's what that laugh is.

[David Sampson]

Whoa. Okay, so listen, renewals in general are for old people who have no other option but to say, hey, we might as well stick it out, no matter how miserable we are. I'll start with that, and I'll end with, I don't. You don't get a gift. I'm not going to attend. I want no part of a vow renewal of any kind. I think it's absolute horse hockey. Personally, people. All right, you're in love. You're still married. What are you showing off because the rest of us are divorced? Oh, for my 25th anniversary, I'm going to renew my vows in Vegas. Give me a break. I'm totally out on vow renewals. I think it's ridiculous. Maybe grandparents can do it like the Notebook. Give me James Garner Doing a vow renewal, but that's about it.

[Jessica]

He is right. It is flaunting. It's kind of like, hey, we're still together.

[Jeremy]

It's not you guys not like going to parties. Like, hey, if anyone has a vowel.

[Stugotz]

Renewal, just have an anniversary.

[Dan LeBatard]

Why do you need to do the vows?

[Jeremy]

As long as there's an open bar, I'm there. Like, I'll celebrate love. I love love, as everyone knows.

[Amin Elhassan]

No, but you love booze is what you're saying. You don't care about love in that scenario.

[David Sampson]

You want the open bar.

[Jeremy]

Well, I love that too, but I love love.

[Dan LeBatard]

David, would you ever stay at a White Lotus resort?

[David Sampson]

I would, except they practiced usury and it makes me crazy. I wanted to go where they filmed season two and they upped it to like, like four grand a night after it came out. And I said, that's absurd, because I was able to ascertain from a travel agent that it used to be about 1k a night and they pushed it up to 4k and I found that to be offensive. So I was a hard pass. But the answer is I would go to a place where White Lotus was filmed because it looks amazing.

[Amin Elhassan]

Do you have any relationship with Mike White through Survivor or you haven't met him that way yet?

[David Sampson]

I have not met him. He is a Survivor player.

[Dan LeBatard]

He puts former Survivor cast members in his show.

[David Sampson]

He does. It's from his cast, mostly from his tribe, though this season he actually put someone from his season but not his tribe in the series. But, yes, he does do that, which is really cool. Mike White, when he was on Survivor, was a great player and he made it far, really far, and did not win the game. Someone gave me a list recently because Survivor 50 is coming out, a list of all of the people in sports who made it longer than I did. And one of them was the recently retired Jimmie Johnson, who was also on Survivor. And he did make it further than I did. And frankly, so did John Rocker.

[Jeremy]

To be clear, it's okay for Saquon Barkley to raise his rates because he won a Super bowl, but it's not okay for a resort to raise its rates after hundreds of thousands of people assuming are now interested in staying there.

[David Sampson]

Oh, I mean, I think it's brilliant that they raised the rates because they only raised the rates to the point that people are still booking. If the place is unbooked, then they're going to lower the rates again. I believe that you should raise your prices as far as you can until people stop buying your product. And if it's different people, it's different people. If you price yourself out of certain people, forget it. Maybe the Dallas Mavericks don't care about the 20,000 people that go to games now who are angry because there's 20,000 new people who love Anthony Davis and love an injured Kyrie Irving. So they're raising their prices. So I'm all in. I just said I wouldn't pay the four grand a night to go to that because I wouldn't.

[Jeremy]

That's accused them of usury, which is, I believe, a biblical sin.

[David Sampson]

Well, I don't know that it's biblical. I mean, I believe it's just definitionally an overcharge. What laugh is that?

[Billy Corben]

It's yours, is it?

[David Sampson]

Oh, it is.

[Amin Elhassan]

That was us discussing vowel renewals.

[David Sampson]

Oh, that is funny.

[Billy Corben]

That is. Billy. Billy emerged with a surprise question that made you laugh gutturally like that. And it is the devil's laugh.

[Jeremy]

That's the devil. I know.

[David Sampson]

I just think that that laugh does sound horrible. And it's not my view of love in general, sort of, but it's sort of sort of. That's the sound I think I made right after we got the final vote in the county commission.

[Billy Corben]

That sinister.

[David Sampson]

I didn't mean that. I didn't laugh.

[Stugotz]

You did it again.

[Jessica]

I thought I hit the button.

[Billy Corben]

Sinister. That is the laugh of evil. It's.

[Stugotz]

It is.

[Billy Corben]

That is absolutely that. Look, if I tell you greed has just gotten a promotion to evil, that's what it sounds like.

[David Sampson]

Is this not the same program you're using to make your voice sound good on the opera? Is that really the natural sound of the laugh?

[Billy Corben]

The natural sound of evil?

[Jeremy]

The Skeletor. Right.

[David Sampson]

I think you've done something.

[Jessica]

There's zero doctoring to that, David.

[Billy Corben]

No, that's how you react.

[David Sampson]

Is that the case?

[Stugotz]

Swear to God, that's how you react. It really is real.

[Jeremy]

To renewed vows, you sound like Skeletor.

[David Sampson]

That's really a problem.

[Billy Corben]

What's the movie you're reviewing today, David?

[David Sampson]

I have a real complaint and I'm upset about this and I'm not over it. I'm not reviewing a movie. I'm not reviewing the fact that I lost to Adnan in the Oscar ballot. I'm not going to talk about the Oscars. You covered it well. Adnan and I covered it well. In the after show recap, I'm talking about a TV show on Max called Bookie, and I don't know if any of you have ever watched it. It's two Seasons.

[Jeremy]

Yeah. Which With.

[David Sampson]

With. I loved it.

[Jeremy]

Yeah, me too.

[David Sampson]

And I was shocked when it got canceled. Now it's 22 minutes an episode. It's not exactly high budget in the way that White Lotus has changed in season three with all of the. I don't know which of you is watching it, but I assume, Jessica, if you're watching it, you've noticed there's way more budget being used in all these non dialogue shots of. Of all of these interesting visuals, more so than ever. And Bookie was just good. 22 minutes of good dialogue. Good story. It was. It can't be expensive to make unless Sebastian had some sort of contractual requirement, which I don't think he did. So I just don't know why it was canceled. So I'm hoping, I mean, that somebody picks it up. Yeah, because that can happen.

[Jeremy]

I know Omar Dorsey, who plays the other guy in the show, so.

[Amin Elhassan]

Good.

[Jeremy]

And based on the way he was talking, I don't think it's anything cast related in terms of financials or demands. I think this is just, you know, a decision made, levels and levels above them.

[David Sampson]

So is he willing to. Have you asked him? Is he willing to keep doing it, but under a different studio?

[Jeremy]

I'll ask him. Sure. I'll send him a message.

[David Sampson]

Can you ask him now?

[Jeremy]

Yeah.

[David Sampson]

Call him.

[Billy Corben]

You want me to ask Sebastian Maniscalco?

[Jeremy]

Wow.

[Amin Elhassan]

Let's see who answers first. Yeah, let's see.

[Jessica]

Call him on speaker.

[Stugotz]

Both of you on FaceTime.

[Amin Elhassan]

Yeah, both of you face FaceTime and then have them talk to each other. Take off your phones.

[Billy Corben]

I'm not going to FaceTime him, but how would you like me to word the question?

[Amin Elhassan]

Sup, Big Dog?

[David Sampson]

Are you willing to do Bookie Season three with a different studio or is the show dead forever? Okay, you really can. Just.

[Dan LeBatard]

Reporting from Dan today. We're blessed.

[David Sampson]

Amazing.

[Amin Elhassan]

David? Yeah. You missed it before. Dan came in and he reported that the. The Dwayne Wade story that Pat Riley took. Took LeBron James cookies off the airplane and that's what led to him leaving was not preposterous. But Pat Riley does love cookies. And the nutritionist said it wasn't cookies, it was ice cream. But had Pat Riley been on that plane? Because he doesn't plan.

[Billy Corben]

Who said that? Sources.

[Amin Elhassan]

Sources. Okay. But had Pat Riley been on the plane, which he doesn't fly with the team, he would have done it.

[David Sampson]

I was just going to say, Billy, the number of times that Pat Riley's on the team plane, my guess is you can't get through One hand of fingers fully fingered, not Alphonseca style. So one way to say season, I.

[Jeremy]

Am going to tap out of texting because I just realized it's been a long time since I texted him the first text back. And if I ask, hey, man, would you be willing to do the show on a different network? That makes it sound like no. I have a network that might be interesting.

[Amin Elhassan]

I don't think anyone thinks you know what you need?

[Jessica]

If you haven't talked to someone in a long time and you want to get something out of them, you do, like a setup. Hey, how's it going, man? Hope all is well. And then tomorrow you ask, no, but that's so weird.

[Jeremy]

Just, hey, man, how's it going? Hope all is well.

[David Sampson]

You do it in one text to me and you can say, hey, it's been a minute. I'm live on the air right now. Quick question for you. Would you be interested in doing a season three on a different network?

[Jeremy]

Got it.

[Billy Corben]

So I didn't do any of that. I just did what you guys told me to do. And now Sebastian Maniscalco is going to think Meadowlark Media wants to make season three of the bookie do.

[David Sampson]

Listen with that surprise you, I just.

[Billy Corben]

Shouldn'T have done that today.

[Amin Elhassan]

Well, how'd you start it?

[Jessica]

Can I be in it?

[Jeremy]

Lose the. The.

[Billy Corben]

What's up, dog?

[Amin Elhassan]

Oh, big dog. That's where you lost him.

[David Sampson]

You started with what's up, dog. See you later.

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