The Big Suey: Don't Let Me Taste Blood

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Podcast Summary: The Big Suey: Don't Let Me Taste Blood

Episode Information:

• Title: The Big Suey: Don't Let Me Taste Blood
• Hosts: Dan Le Batard, Stugotz, Mike Ryan, Roy Bellamy, Billy Gil
• Release Date: February 19, 2025
• Description: In this episode of The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz, the hosts delve deep into the physical and psychological toll of professional sports, particularly focusing on football. Through candid discussions and personal anecdotes, they explore themes of pain tolerance, the culture of "shit talking," and the long-term impacts of athletic careers.

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1. Introduction to Pain in Sports

The episode kicks off with Mike Ryan initiating a heartfelt conversation about the underestimated cost of playing professional sports. He emphasizes the relentless pain athletes endure and how it's often invisible to fans and the general public.

Notable Quote:

Mike Ryan [10:19]: "I can't imagine what the pain of those feet... I worry for you in your 60s and 70s, because the pain threshold is going to have to sustain for the 40 years after the seven years of playing."

2. Personal Experiences with Injuries

Billy Gil shares his personal journey with injuries, detailing the chronic pain he experiences post-retirement. He discusses specific ailments like bone spurs and the lasting effects of his athletic career.

Notable Quotes:

Billy Gil [32:30]: "I walk down the steps like I'm 60 in the morning. I have bone spurs in both of my ankles, so they don't bend the way they need."

Billy Gil [38:23]: "I broke my back in the game... It helped me in football because after getting so much pain, I wasn't scared of it or any of it, really."

3. The Culture of Shit Talking in Sports

The hosts engage in a lively debate about the role of "shit talking" in sports. They argue whether it's a motivating factor or a detrimental one, sharing various personal and observed experiences from their athletic backgrounds.

Notable Quotes:

Dan Le Batard [15:16]: "Most of us have played sports though, and probably been shit talked or involved in shit talk."

Billy Gil [24:25]: "I did it with James Harrison... it helps my team."

4. Psychological Resilience and Coping Mechanisms

Mike Ryan probes into how athletes develop psychological resilience to cope with the physical and emotional stresses of their careers. The conversation touches on the mindset required to handle both on-field confrontations and off-field pain.

Notable Quotes:

Billy Gil [13:01]: "I miss being sore on Mondays and Tuesdays... I get chills and I'm like, oh, you just gave me the green light. I'm gonna run into you at full speed."

Billy Gil [30:25]: "I like the soreness. It makes me know that it's work."

5. Long-Term Health Implications

The discussion shifts to the long-term health implications of a career in professional sports. The hosts express concerns about the enduring physical pain and the necessity for ongoing medical care as they age.

Notable Quotes:

Mike Ryan [40:13]: "I agree. It was worth it. At this stage of my life, I will say it was worth it."

Billy Gil [32:43]: "I can't lay with my arms up for a certain amount of time. All those things... It hurts still."

6. Stories of Overcoming Adversity

The hosts recount personal stories of facing and overcoming adversity, highlighting moments that tested their physical and mental limits. These anecdotes serve to illustrate the resilience and determination inherent in professional athletes.

Notable Quotes:

Billy Gil [37:43]: "I broke my back in the game... It got to a point, like, you've had everything. You've broken your back, you've done it. And it was like, all right, whatever happens, happens. At that point, you were numb to pain."

Dan Le Batard [38:12]: "Or your period? Well, that one. Everyone conceded that one."

7. Reflection on Athletic Identity and Retirement

In the latter part of the episode, the conversation reflects on how their identities as athletes shape their lives post-retirement. They discuss the challenges of adjusting to life without the physical demands of sports and the lingering effects of their past careers.

Notable Quotes:

Stugotz [33:05]: "He's in better shape. I started feeling these things at like 27, 25 for me."

Billy Gil [40:05]: "I'm an elite athlete. I think if we had a competition, I would still win all the competitions."

8. Conclusion: The Enduring Legacy of Athletic Careers

The episode wraps up with the hosts acknowledging the sacrifices made in pursuit of athletic excellence. They affirm that despite the pain and challenges, their experiences have deeply shaped who they are today.

Notable Quote:

Billy Gil [40:13]: "I agree. It was worth it. At this stage of my life, I will say it was worth it."

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Final Thoughts:

The Big Suey: Don't Let Me Taste Blood offers an unfiltered look into the lives of professional athletes, shedding light on the hidden costs of sports glory. Through honest discussions and personal stories, Dan Le Batard and his co-hosts provide listeners with a profound understanding of the physical and emotional resilience required to excel in the high-stakes world of professional sports.

Transcript

[Dan Le Batard]

You're listening to Giraffkings Network.

[Stugotz]

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[Mike Ryan]

Thanks.

[Stugotz]

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[Mike Ryan]

Welcome to the Big Sui presented by DraftKings. Why are you listening to this show? The podcast that seems very similar to.

[Stugotz]

The other Dan LeBatard podcast.

[Mike Ryan]

I'm sorry.

[Stugotz]

I'm not going to apologize for that.

[Mike Ryan]

In fact, the only difference seems to be this imaging. I have been tempted in restaurants just walking past tables to grab somebody's fries that if they're just there. That hasn't happened to you guys.

[Stugotz]

I've done it.

[Mike Ryan]

And now here's the marching man to Nowhere, Fat Face and the habitual liar.

[Roy Bellamy]

This episode of the Dan Lobatar show with Stugach is brought to you by Venmo.

[Mike Ryan]

Excellent enthusiasm, Roy. You brought strength and effervescence to the beginning of this segment.

[Billy Gil]

Here's the situation. I gotta read the billboard and then.

[Mike Ryan]

I gotta turn your mics on. I gotta do all that. Really hard to do all of those things.

[Stugotz]

In Roy's defense, it is a lot that you got it going on. And also, like, I felt like we did Venmo last segment. If we're gonna be honest with you, like, you should have been fin sometimes.

[Roy Bellamy]

I saw them as bumpers. No, you did great, Roy.

[Mike Ryan]

It's hard.

[Stugotz]

Thank you, Roy.

[Roy Bellamy]

Thank you, Roy.

[Mike Ryan]

We run a loose ship around here. You may have noticed based on everything you just saw in the last hour that we went to the worst of the three sporting events this weekend with eight people, the basketball exhibition game. And I have yet to see any content from that produced by the eight people who just went to San Francisco to party. And so, yes, the low standard around here is such that Roy doing that board is about the best that we can do around here. But a heroic effort by Billy to. These are tough media times. You know, there aren't a lot of. Everyone does see what's happening with the media, right? And the.

[Stugotz]

Here we go.

[Mike Ryan]

And the content industry and Hollywood collapsing and everything. Everyone does see that that's happening. Yes. Or is that something that has not yet been felt?

[Roy Bellamy]

America did fine.

[Billy Gil]

What are we doing? What happened?

[Mike Ryan]

Okay, so everything's fine. Everyone thinks everyone's fine.

[Stugotz]

Anthony Mackie was there at the Daytona 500. He said, Gentlemen, start your engines. But he had, like, a weird cadence.

[Dan Le Batard]

Is he a fan of the Le Batard Show?

[Stugotz]

I doub.

[Billy Gil]

Okay.

[Mike Ryan]

It didn't seem like there was anyone there who's a fan of the Lebiton Show. I will tell you guys that when I walked in here, and this is what I like to assume after 20 years would be on St. Gotz, his computer. I just walked in and what's on his computer is Troy Brown. And Troy Brown stats. I have no idea why. I don't. I don't know where Stugats went that first hour.

[Stugotz]

Well, I was just kind of seeing where Hawk could have gone had he stayed with New England, Tom Brady, Bill Belichick. Troy Brown had 117. That's just one year.

[Billy Gil]

I mean, that's solid. That's solid.

[Mike Ryan]

So you're just saying you're. You're looking through the Internet at what Hawk could have been if he was tough enough to be miserable around the Patriot Way and be with the best quarterback ever for a season, if he didn't want to be at home with the kids.

[Billy Gil]

There were so many other dynamics going on that would have made it hard, Stu. Okay, I know.

[Mike Ryan]

I understand. I'm glad we have his expertise here, though, because I was being mocked here yesterday. And I want to get the group in on this. And I want Hawkins to answer this question. Is the only one here, I believe, who could answer this question. Question.

[Stugotz]

121 catches, 1200 yards and six touchdowns. Troy Brown, how old do you think Hawk is? I don't know.

[Mike Ryan]

I'm going to guess that he is 36, 37, close to 40.

[Stugotz]

Troy Brown was out of the league a number of years by the time Hawk joined the league. Like it would have been different teams that they would. They would not have been teammates.

[Billy Gil]

No more catches for.

[Mike Ryan]

He was just all he was looking at. It's. Look, Troy Brown wasn't even a receiver.

[Roy Bellamy]

Well, no, he was a receiver. He was for them, but he played two ways.

[Mike Ryan]

Well, but it wasn't. He came out as a cornerback, was he not? And then they just used him as receiver.

[Billy Gil]

Was it the reverse? I think it was.

[Mike Ryan]

Okay.

[Stugotz]

Yeah.

[Mike Ryan]

All right.

[Billy Gil]

Where I thought Stu Gotts was going with googling that. I thought it was going to be a Travis Hunter comp, which I'm like, hey, that's not bad. That's not bad comp. That's pretty good for Stu. Well, but then it was not.

[Mike Ryan]

This is, this is what I want help with though. Okay. So the group was making fun of me, Billy, journalist that he is, and me, journalist that I'm not anymore. I made the mistake last week of reporting erroneously that Walter Payton played without socks. Jared Payton, his son, corrected me yesterday and said, no, it wasn't socks, it was insoles. And so the group thought to itself, haha, Dan is wrong. But I thought to myself, playing without insoles seems like something that would hurt more than playing without socks. Like it was worse than I even thought. So tell me what's right there. As someone who knows what that game does to feet, the idea he like Walter Payton, liked to feel the cleats on the bottom of his feet and so he removed the insoles I think protect his feet more than socks would.

[Billy Gil]

Feet ness. Yeah, insoles is worse to play with. No insoles in your, in your. Now look, this is the 19 what, 80s? So I don't know what insoles were like then. Right. It could have very well been a thin piece of paper. Right. Because they weren't exactly modernizing the, the technology of cleats at the time. But for me, it would be harder for me to play without insoles than it would be to play without socks.

[Mike Ryan]

It would just also hurt a guy.

[Billy Gil]

And my feet hurt so much constantly at like the like all day. My feet hurt all the time. I have a bunion that is the size of a damn ping pong ball. Huh.

[Stugotz]

I got a guy that could fix that for you.

[Billy Gil]

Yeah, Give me a number. Is he, is he driving a white van outside?

[Stugotz]

No, this guy was legit. He was super tall though.

[Billy Gil]

I wouldn't want it from Dan's guy.

[Stugotz]

That podiatrist office that I went to like years ago to have bunion surgery, I thought, man, if they had like a wreck basketball team they would kill it all. The Doctors were, like, 6, 7. It was the strangest office I've ever been to.

[Billy Gil]

They're like, their feet hurt. Usually. The bigger the people, the more their feet hurt. So they probably have a passion for fixing people's feet.

[Stugotz]

Feet doctors are weird, though, right?

[Billy Gil]

Like, I've never been to one, clearly.

[Dan Le Batard]

But I'm just saying, like, Billy, I found out my best friend's dating a foot doctor. The foot doctor does everything from the ankle down the ankle. Like, ankle surgeries are part of podiatry. I never knew that. I just thought he was, like, really into toes.

[Billy Gil]

Oh, really? I had ankle surgery. I don't know if it wasn't podiatrist, though.

[Mike Ryan]

It was a. I mean, they just explained. They just explained that. Hawk, were you not following?

[Dan Le Batard]

I don't think the ankle's, like, exclusive to the foot doctor. No.

[Mike Ryan]

Were you not listening?

[Stugotz]

Yeah. Like, what are we doing here?

[Mike Ryan]

You weren't listening when she said below the. The podiatrist is just. The foot is what?

[Billy Gil]

She said that he also does ankles.

[Dan Le Batard]

No, I don't think, like, they. I don't think the ankle has to be that doctor. But they do cover that as well.

[Billy Gil]

She was saying that the podiatrist does do ankles, and I was saying mine did not. Mine was not a podiatrist. Who did my ankles.

[Mike Ryan]

Put it on the poll, please. At Lebatard show. Are feet doctors weird? Because I think podiatry in a van would be bad. I know that. South Florida, well, you can find a normal looking civilian residential home where they will check your feet. That is something you could find in Miami. But I draw the line at the van is driving around and we will check your feet. And I'm somebody. You guys will both not be surprised by this and be horrified by it. I'm doing a variety of different things, and I have to give blood every couple of months to get my blood tested. And I do it in the alley behind my house like that. Somebody comes over and Because I have to rush to work and get it in the right time, I'm not. I am going. People would drive by and see me in the back of a van. A Suburban actually is heroin.

[Stugotz]

The variety of things you're doing.

[Mike Ryan]

And I'd be. And they would see me getting a needle to the arm with my. With my arm wrapped. That is a photograph that can be. Yeah, well, in a Suburban.

[Dan Le Batard]

What are you talking about?

[Billy Gil]

I like how he's getting out in front of this story. As smart of him. I like what he just did.

[Mike Ryan]

There.

[Billy Gil]

He gets out in front of the photos that are clearly going to drop.

[Stugotz]

Dude, that suburban 100% has a heat.

[Roy Bellamy]

License plate or black Miami. University of Miami license plate.

[Stugotz]

No, Miami Dade. Like, student parking decal on it.

[Dan Le Batard]

This whole, like, Jarrett Payton thing's been a setup for Dan to get ahead of the photos that are going to come out.

[Mike Ryan]

Yes, you guys will. You could also see. See me FaceTiming her son, who's a giant Dolphin fan, to do a private sports show for him because he wants to know the latest on Tua as his mom has a needle in my arm.

[Stugotz]

What'd you tell him?

[Mike Ryan]

Just talk to him a little bit about in general. It's a frail situation.

[Roy Bellamy]

That's nice of you. I know how much you probably hate that.

[Billy Gil]

Oh, man.

[Stugotz]

How did basketball players used to play in Converse? Yeah, every time I put on Converse, I'm like, man, these offers shout out to Converse if they're a sponsor of the show. Love your shoes, but horrible ankle support. And the idea that, like, the NBA players used to play in conversation, like, this was a great evolution of, like, the shoe for them is insane.

[Billy Gil]

Like, the next level of athletic footwear. But that's why I'm a little bit more forgiving of players at that era in the way that they look when they move.

[Dan Le Batard]

Because I'm wearing, like, cardboard strapped to their feet.

[Billy Gil]

Exactly. They're. They've tied up construction paper on their feet and they're asked to look as athletic as the guys do now.

[Dan Le Batard]

They're eating, like, the nastiest shit.

[Billy Gil]

Yes. And their shorts are way too high for them to maneuver at the speed that they'll need.

[Dan Le Batard]

Just such a bad wedgie. It's just an unbelievable wedgie.

[Billy Gil]

There's no way that they put that uniform together and said, you know what? Now this is built for speed.

[Stugotz]

You could dance in it, though. I learned that this weekend.

[Billy Gil]

Coogler did.

[Stugotz]

I mean, Wilt Chamberlain scored 100 points wearing Converse.

[Billy Gil]

He was a foot taller than everybody else.

[Mike Ryan]

I want to ask, though, about this because there is something that happens all the time in sports and in sports coverage where I believe you. Caring is something that is underestimated on what that costs. When you talk about walking through life now with feet that hurt all the time. I think about this all the time with basketball players. Like, I can't imagine what. The pain of those feet. LeBron James feet. I don't care how much work he is getting with science. And they have to hurt. Yes. Like, I'm thinking that he's gonna go through life and that people don't actually understand what the pain trades are to be great at what it is that you're doing. Last time I talked to Hawk, he just told such a delightful story about his greatest highlight in the NFL and how it is that he was in the open field and he was scared because it's just. It's. It's trampling herds coming from every direction, and he's in the open field and he is jittering around everyone.

[Billy Gil]

Yes.

[Mike Ryan]

And scared. And I just don't understand. I don't think the people watching have any earthly idea what the sacrifices you guys make. None. And I say that as someone who also doesn't understand.

[Billy Gil]

I hate to be the devil's advocate on something that makes me look awesome. So let me. Let me preface this by that. But yes, it is a scary thing, but I'm also weirdly wired to love that kind of stuff. I am. I am the kind of person that believes football players are born, they're not made. And for me, that's where the confidence that I could play amongst those giants and be in that world came from. Not because I thought I was awesome. It's because it's all I wanted to do. And, like, I miss. I'm not kidding. I miss being sore on Mondays and Tuesdays. I miss the feeling of being like, yo, I cannot even walk right now because I just left it all out on the field. I miss physical contact. That's a weird thing to say, but I truly like when I play basketball every, what, once every 14 months and I'm playing and I'm trying to be a normal civilian, and then someone will get super aggressive with me and, like, be like, oh, you're a little guy. Let me bump you. And it turns me on so much. Like, I get chills and I'm like, oh, you just gave me the green light. I'm gonna run into you at full speed. And I don't care anything about what happens to my body. So it is a little bit like, where that's just naturally who I am as a person as well.

[Mike Ryan]

Well, I mean, no disrespect, though, because I. Well, but you didn't answer my question.

[Billy Gil]

Also football.

[Mike Ryan]

But the reason you didn't answer it, because I don't mean to disrespect you when I say that any human being should be afraid running around in a secondary. It's a respect of what it is that you do that I. Any normal mortal considering consequen at your side would worry about Am I going to get blindsided by 360 pound defensive tackle that I don't see who happens to be running 4, 6 in this direction?

[Billy Gil]

Yeah, no, for sure, for sure. I mean, you have a particular set of skills that help protect you. But also it's like when I was a kid and I had nothing, I would always like how I would convince myself to do something would be like, would you do this for a million dollars? We all play that game. And so when I would be going through it, I'd be like, hey, this is for a million dollars. And I would do this weird thing where I trick my mind into believing that eventually I would be paid a million dollars for running through the stampede unprotected.

[Mike Ryan]

I believe it's, I do it for less. I believe it's a different mentality than everyone here would have. And I think I have this right when I asked the question, who do you guys think among us? Right? Because when he says he lives for some of this stuff that includes physical contact. I'm always thinking when watching sports. And Anthony Edwards will articulate, oh my God, do I love shit talking. Do I love going back and forth with somebody in our workplace? I think if everyone shit talked each other that way, everyone would get their feelings hurt like that. In the. That we're not built the way that Andrew Hawkins is built where, oh, you want to compete some more? Okay, I'm going to come over the top and anything you say isn't going to bother me and I'm going to keep my competition composure. But I believe that the shit talking on the average professional court or field is so intense that all of us would shrink from it.

[Stugotz]

Are you asking like if there was shit talking in this environment or if we went and played the football and there was shit talking?

[Mike Ryan]

I'm saying that is there anything.

[Stugotz]

It'd be weird if someone just ran up and tackled Hawk just because while he's doing a show, you know, like.

[Mike Ryan]

It would be weird.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah, you suck today, you idiot.

[Billy Gil]

More great Billy from Billy Gil.

[Mike Ryan]

Not great. Not great shit talk.

[Dan Le Batard]

Most of us have played sports though, and probably been shit talked or involved in shit talk.

[Billy Gil]

Well, that's the thing about the like.

[Dan Le Batard]

In that setting, it's like, yeah, that's.

[Billy Gil]

Part of the regular workplace. That's what I like is an adjustment because you miss that. The cool part about shit talking is that we get to resolve it immediately. So when Jeff Teague is going to talk, LeBron, LeBron's going to dominate him. And then for 20 years, Jeff could be like, yeah, I was wrong there. He was pretty good. And I have those stories too. But it's like, we get to go out on the field and see exactly what the result can be. And that's the cool part. Whereas in the workplace, that's where the frustration comes in, because it's all subjective.

[Stugotz]

This is probably one of the most psychotic sentences ever. But, like, when you're playing sports, like, and you, like, have like a situation like where you get hit or whatever, there's nothing like the taste of blood. Like, as soon as you get the taste of blood in your mouth, like, okay, let's go. This is awesome.

[Billy Gil]

But I completely disagree because that is lunatic, baby. You ever get shit, you're more whacked out than me.

[Roy Bellamy]

You ever get shit talked, but you also know that you're bad?

[Billy Gil]

Yes.

[Roy Bellamy]

Like, so it's just because that was me, like when I played football briefly, and they're like, low man wins. You suck so much.

[Billy Gil]

I know you're trying the best I can.

[Roy Bellamy]

I'm 6 foot 2 playing DN. You keep saying, low man wins. This guy's 5 foot 4 and his nickname is Cheeks, and he weighs 275.

[Mike Ryan]

The idea that Billy loves the taste of blood in his mouth just a.

[Stugotz]

Little bit, it's the most shocking thing he's ever said.

[Mike Ryan]

Well, because it's not in any right environment. No.

[Stugotz]

Like on a fee, on a field, like, you're like, oh, this is. This is a good taste at home. You're like, this is. I gotta call someone.

[Billy Gil]

Like, this is a problem.

[Stugotz]

I should be tasting blood right now.

[Billy Gil]

Why are you tasting blood so much? I think that's more than concern.

[Mike Ryan]

I can romanticize some of the pain things in sports. I believe. Was it Forrest Griffin that we were talking to that one time, the MMA fighter, and we asked him about whether or not he liked pain or not? Because. Because it seemed to be something that the warrior mentality embraced. We'll see if Roy can find that sound. But I wasn't saying shit talking in this environment. I am simply saying that I don't believe any one of us wouldn't get their feelings hurt by somebody starting shit talk on us in sports.

[Roy Bellamy]

Depends on the insecurities.

[Mike Ryan]

I don't think we have any good shit talkers here is my point. That would absorb it well and then come back with greater strength. Let's hear from Forrest Griffin here as he answers my ridiculous question. Do you like pain?

[Stugotz]

That's a silly question.

[Mike Ryan]

No, I like ice cream.

[Dan Le Batard]

I don't like pain.

[Mike Ryan]

There it is. I like ice cream. I don't like pain.

[Dan Le Batard]

I feel like you're projected. I played competitive sports my whole life and you're just kind of brushing right past. Billy's telling you he likes the taste.

[Stugotz]

Yeah, but that's a lie.

[Roy Bellamy]

I do like shit talking too.

[Stugotz]

How dare you?

[Roy Bellamy]

I feel like I'm good. Quick on my feet. Rebuttals wise, Dan?

[Dan Le Batard]

You should talk the video team every day.

[Roy Bellamy]

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[Dan Le Batard]

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[Billy Gil]

Yep.

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[Stugotz]

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[Dan Le Batard]

I don't like smutty either.

[Mike Ryan]

Stugats women stay home in the kitchen where they belong.

[Stugotz]

This is the Dan Levatar show with the stugats.

[Roy Bellamy]

There was this famous incident of Shannon Sharp sh Talking Derrick Thomas that led to Derek Thomas having like six unfortunately, like, calls on him.

[Mike Ryan]

Well, do you know that this is actually that you said that? Because that was my reporting that story. Like, I'm not. I'm not. I'm not kidding. No, I'm gonna tell you here. I'll do it for myself. He hate it.

[Billy Gil]

Look at me.

[Mike Ryan]

Roy's busy.

[Roy Bellamy]

You were very close with Derek.

[Stugotz]

You earned it.

[Mike Ryan]

Thank you.

[Stugotz]

That Napell Grant.

[Mike Ryan]

This story, actually. Gosh, somebody's gotta find this. It was a story about sex and the Super Bowl. And I think the story, the 20th paragraph, was something about the Dallas Cowboys having that white house that they had. Where they were, you know, a bunch of the players had a secret house for the four parties. Did you mention Eugene Robinson in that story? No, that happened that. No, no, that happened before. I don't know. But this particular story is me calling Derek Thomas in order to get that story about Shannon Sharp. See if you can find the details there. Derek Thomas, and he was somebody who was considered sort of like a pillar of integrity in community and somebody that wouldn't get weirdly emotional during a game. I think he got several. Several flags for unsportsmanlike conduct. And he was ejected. And Shannon Sharpe won in the biggest way that winning can happen because he got personal in some place that was about women. And I called Derek Thomas and I asked him if that story was true. And Derrick Thomas, who I had a good relationship with, hung up on me.

[Billy Gil]

So, yes.

[Mike Ryan]

And I've never gotten from Shannon Sharpe that story of what it is that he was saying that made Derek Thomas so crazy that in a primetime Monday night game, one of the stars of the league got several penalties made crazy by Shannon Sharpe, and I'm pretty sure got ejected.

[Billy Gil]

Yeah, that is a part of the sport. And there is, like, layers to the shit talk because there's like, the situations kind of like what Mike is talking about. I've been in the league and I've been shit talking someone who is clearly superior to my playing ability. And I'm like, man, I cannot wait for this game to get over because I'm writing checks that my ass can't cash. And so you, like, you go through this game and you're being dominated and you're trying, and you're like, God, I just want to get out of here. And then there is the version where you're like, I got to get this person out of the game, out of their game, and focused on something else.

[Mike Ryan]

You tried this with James Harrison, didn't you?

[Billy Gil]

Yeah, I did it because it was just fun. It was like James Harrison focusing on trying to kill me and not focusing on getting the quarterback was like a. It helps my team. But also it's like playing a little bit of a game of chicken. It's like, man, am I gonna make it out of this game without dying? I didn't that game specifically. I went to the hospital. But the whole thrill of being like, man, I wonder if I can do this and get away with it.

[Roy Bellamy]

Did the taste of your own blood get you going, though?

[Billy Gil]

It did, man.

[Roy Bellamy]

When you came to.

[Billy Gil]

When I came to, I'm like, like, what is that? Did we have a party. Yes, we did.

[Stugotz]

Derek Thomas was flagged three times on one drive because of Shannon Sharp, who kept reciting his girlfriend's phone number at the time. That's.

[Mike Ryan]

That's the report here.

[Billy Gil]

Oh, that's a hard one, man.

[Stugotz]

That's tough.

[Billy Gil]

Hardest. Hardest I've ever took. Taken some shit talking was from the crowd high school basketball game. And my brother was playing for the Bengals at the time, and they were not very good. And. And they started chanting a bunch of stuff about my brother, like, I'm okay if you shit talk me. But that got under my skin so bad I played horribly. And then after the game, I tried to go up in the student section and fight. And yeah, it was like one of those. That was the one time where I wish I could. Pen Cambria was the name of the high school. They got me good, Pen Cambria. But this. This war isn't over.

[Mike Ryan]

You can't. You can't be emotional with this stuff. Right? It has to be a bit strategic. Like once you get into I. It was crazy to watch that happen to Derek Thomas on national television. Three penalties on one Dr. Because he just wants to fight Shannon Sharpe. And Shannon Sharpe can't have a greater victory in his hall of Fame career than that.

[Billy Gil]

Goodness gracious. What then?

[Mike Ryan]

Making someone so crazy with his mouth, a Hall of Famer, so crazy with his mouth that he got him ejected from the game.

[Stugotz]

He was doing it before every snap.

[Mike Ryan]

Reciting the phone number. Roy, what other information do you have? Somebody needs to ask Shannon Sharpe about this. He might find some of this. I mean, Derek Thomas was very respected and. And, yeah, that's a secret. That probably is something that Shannon Sharpe wouldn't have wanted revealed.

[Billy Gil]

Well, CBS Sports reports that because Derrick.

[Roy Bellamy]

Thomas had died and he was asked after his death that Shannon Sharpe will.

[Mike Ryan]

Never reveal what he actually said to Shannon Sharpe. Derek Thomas. But evidently, does Stugatz have some bad reporting there. Does he have better reporting than Roy has when he gives us the details that I did not know because. Because I was calling Derek Thomas to ask him what was happening there when he was still alive. And so I did not have that answer to the question. I don't know what the answer was.

[Dan Le Batard]

Are you shit talking Roy's reporting right now?

[Mike Ryan]

I think that Stugatz just dominated Roy's reporting. And you accuse me of projection. I would not like shit talking. It would be unpleasant.

[Roy Bellamy]

Just for the record, someone else could have that detail that played during that game. And Shannon Sharpe can still maintain being.

[Mike Ryan]

Respectful of the right I just don't know what's true there. And I'd like.

[Roy Bellamy]

Doesn't stop you from talking your shit.

[Billy Gil]

I was gonna say you guys are doing pretty good at shit talking to me.

[Dan Le Batard]

Some of us played pickleball against some others of us and kicked their asses. And some of us shit talked the entire time while others could not handle it.

[Billy Gil]

Wow.

[Dan Le Batard]

I would like to.

[Mike Ryan]

I was more angry at my performance. Also.

[Dan Le Batard]

Chris Cody.

[Mike Ryan]

Yeah, you were terrible, Roy. Chris Cody was shit talking me. You were dominated. Yes. You were being shit talked by everybody because you were terrible. I don't know my own power.

[Billy Gil]

That's more reporting than anything.

[Dan Le Batard]

But I mean, you finesse game.

[Stugotz]

Not a game of power.

[Roy Bellamy]

Look at Dan piling on. I want everyone to watch what's going on here with this guy. I saw the blood boil. I'm starting to taste my own blood over here. I don't like it.

[Mike Ryan]

Roy hit a home run in a major league ballpark, or at least where it is that the Marlins played in batting practice. I believe he's the only one here who could do that. Roy was not an embarrassment on American Ninja Warrior. The way many of our participants were at American Ninja Warrior.

[Roy Bellamy]

Easier course.

[Mike Ryan]

Roy would be one of the best athletes on the show if not for the existence of Chris Cody, who was then beat by in a race by Billy Gill. And I believe Jessica can throw an orange further than any of you. Roy is said to be around here among our best athletes.

[Stugotz]

So that's not saying much.

[Mike Ryan]

Also mean congratulations, Roy. Thank you.

[Roy Bellamy]

I can absolutely launch an orange.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah. And we kicked Dan Patrick's cruise ass.

[Mike Ryan]

Oh, we need to do this. We need to find light on this.

[Stugotz]

Well, they don't like us.

[Mike Ryan]

I know, but when's that ever stopped us?

[Stugotz]

Like, yes, they need to participate this time.

[Roy Bellamy]

This time.

[Stugotz]

We were talking.

[Roy Bellamy]

Congratulations, you've stopped us.

[Stugotz]

We were talking before this show, Hawk. I don't know. Because you're a real athlete. I don't know if you ever played with a vortex football growing up. Did you ever play with the vortex?

[Billy Gil]

I don't give me another word.

[Stugotz]

The vortex is like the Nerf one with like the tail on it. Yeah. And then I. Like the whistle.

[Billy Gil]

Yeah.

[Stugotz]

I felt like I could throw that 90 yards easily, probably. It went like 45ft.

[Roy Bellamy]

Hard to catch though, because sometimes the whistle part would get you right on the nail.

[Billy Gil]

Right. It was kind of only for like the long ball competition because when you tried to play actual backyard football with it, it became tough.

[Stugotz]

Dude, you could throw bullets with that.

[Billy Gil]

Thing, but it was hard to aim because it was like your perception of where you were throwing. It would go, like 10 yards further.

[Stugotz]

You need some touch precision, Dan.

[Billy Gil]

Maybe that was it. Maybe that was my first inkling that I wasn't a quarterback.

[Stugotz]

The point was, Dan was trying to say how great we all are as athletes. I think we could all throw a vortex. I live 70 yards.

[Billy Gil]

Competition would be epic.

[Mike Ryan]

I left you out on pole vaulting, and that's how you attack, by doing that, by taking the show. You've been doing it for 20 years. I understand. I'm familiar with your work.

[Roy Bellamy]

You don't have a connection point to the vortex that connected with so many people in our audience.

[Mike Ryan]

You were the pole vulture. I named everyone else as an athlete. Mike's probably mad somewhere in there that I haven't talked about his shit talking soccer play as the greatest keeper that South Florida has ever seen.

[Roy Bellamy]

My game got canceled yesterday, but I am active.

[Mike Ryan]

The point was that Roy is supposed to be among the great athletes we had. And at pickleball, he was terrible. And the original question I was asked asking Hawk, how much do your feet hurt?

[Roy Bellamy]

I also hurt a lot.

[Billy Gil]

Yeah, they hurt tremendously.

[Mike Ryan]

You, you said I wasn't scared to go through a secondary. You didn't answer the question about what, what the cost, what the tax is of. I love it. And now you're in retirement, you're looking for physical contact, and you can't have it anywhere because you love so much being in pain.

[Billy Gil]

Yeah, I, I don't love being in pain. I miss being in pain. There's a difference, right?

[Mike Ryan]

I mean, I want you profound.

[Billy Gil]

Somebody back me up.

[Mike Ryan]

I, I, this is what I've been trying to get to for 20 minutes.

[Roy Bellamy]

I like the soreness. It makes me know that it's work.

[Billy Gil]

It makes right me feel like I put the work in, you know?

[Stugotz]

But you chose your kids. You could have put more work in, and you chose your kids.

[Roy Bellamy]

That's why I do super sets now.

[Billy Gil]

I put a different kind of work in.

[Stugotz]

You're trying to shame him for being a good father. Like, you could have had a Super.

[Billy Gil]

Bowl man or two. You could have had a Super bowl, and then they could have went to the NFL because you were absent. You're. You're ruining the cycle of our football. This is why American whites are dominating. Is it also not enough fatherless kids are.

[Stugotz]

Is it also possible that your body's hurting because you're getting old? Because, like, I didn't play in the NFL, and, boy, my Dogs bark sometimes.

[Mike Ryan]

Billy. The thing. The thing that I want to ask him because I think this culture that he comes from, and it's football culture.

[Billy Gil]

I was gonna say here.

[Stugotz]

Okay, careful, Dan.

[Billy Gil]

The careful there, bud.

[Mike Ryan]

That the entirety of that culture is built. So he would be reluctant to tell us how tough he is. I'm gonna have to use a crowbar to get out of his mouth. All of the consequences that there were to him. Missing and lik physical pain as he enters his late 30s, and it's a little harder to get out of bed because his feet hurt. Like you meant. You don't miss. You've got the residual pain. I know you're walking around with it and you're missing the previous pain. When your feet are going to hurt for the rest of your life because no one understands what being a slot receiver does to your feet.

[Billy Gil]

Yeah, no, it hurts. It hurts, man. My ankles hurt. I walk down the steps like I'm 60 in the morning. It takes me at least 30 minutes to not limp around throughout the day. I have bone spurs in both of my ankles, so they don't bend the way they need. So it's literally just me picking my feet up and just going like this with no. What is it? Torque, really? For a little bit until they get warmed up.

[Stugotz]

Yeah.

[Billy Gil]

It's harder to work out. I should probably start taking anti inflammatories to make myself feel a little better. My shoulders hurt. I can't lay with my arms up for a certain amount of time. All those things.

[Stugotz]

It just sounds like you're getting old. I got to be honest.

[Billy Gil]

I think this is just age. But I'm 38. Is that supposed to be. I'm only 38. Is that what happens?

[Mike Ryan]

You're. You laugh at this, but I believe this is sort of part of the dehumanization that happens in the transaction of how overtly you guys are giving your money or your bodies over for money. Like it's the trade. You're going to age faster than the rest of us.

[Billy Gil]

Yeah, no, faster.

[Stugotz]

He's in better shape. I started feeling these things at like 27, 25 for me.

[Billy Gil]

Yeah.

[Mike Ryan]

Yeah.

[Stugotz]

You were in shape a lot longer than the rest of us. I think, if any, it's delayed pain.

[Billy Gil]

No, it hurts still. I mean, I just. I'm still an elite athlete. I think if we had a competition, I would still win all the competitions. And this is my shit talking amongst us. You're saying this is my defense mechanism.

[Stugotz]

Don't let me taste it.

[Billy Gil]

You don't Want any smoke with me, Billy? Right. All right. I still run the 100 meter dash in at least 11 seconds.

[Roy Bellamy]

I mean, it just sounds like rabid degeneration. Just based on your playing.

[Billy Gil]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Roy Bellamy]

That doesn't seem very fast. But I also don't know what a meter is.

[Billy Gil]

Yep. System.

[Stugotz]

11 seconds.

[Billy Gil]

Pretty fast.

[Mike Ryan]

I. I would like as a countermeasure as your. As your signature lying. Billy, as an action hero. Don't let me taste blood. You don't let me taste it with your face on it. That's a T shirt. I would buy that as a T shirt. Yes. That you. That you. That you will crush.

[Billy Gil]

Dude, I love it.

[Mike Ryan]

You will crush Hawkins in all. You would beat him.

[Stugotz]

You'd beat him in vaulting.

[Mike Ryan]

Beat him in pole vaulting.

[Stugotz]

I don't know about that.

[Mike Ryan]

You'd beat him in pole vaulting.

[Stugotz]

I'm old and slow now.

[Billy Gil]

I think that there is so much content on this show that that goes malnourished.

[Mike Ryan]

Tell me about it.

[Billy Gil]

That is a superhero like plot right there. That in order for his superpowers to kick in, he has to taste blood.

[Roy Bellamy]

Dan's still talking.

[Billy Gil]

Get punched in the face. Like something has to happen to make you taste his own blood. So that he turns into the.

[Mike Ryan]

I would love to see pole vaulting between you and Dylan Hannibal Lecter.

[Stugotz]

It's very dangerous, Dan. It's not. Not a. Not a sport that we should all just be doing. Especially at our advanced ages.

[Billy Gil]

Pole vaulting is always dangerous.

[Stugotz]

You would take them though, right?

[Billy Gil]

And pole vaulting you think you would take. That's. That seems so dangerous to me. I am more fearful of pole vaulting and nascar.

[Stugotz]

Yeah.

[Billy Gil]

Than. Than football.

[Stugotz]

I live on the edge, man. I don't know what to tell you.

[Billy Gil]

Easily.

[Stugotz]

Some of us are built for this.

[Mike Ryan]

Sounds like you're backing down for don't let me taste blood. It sounds like.

[Stugotz]

Like you want him to punch me in the face. Like, where is.

[Roy Bellamy]

My eyes have been open. Dan constantly talks. Yeah. Crazy. I did not know this. Like hit the entire show. Talking on behalf of others.

[Mike Ryan]

Yeah. I mean. Wait a minute.

[Billy Gil]

And then he says he doesn't talk. That's. That's the funny part. Not that he does it. Is that he thinks his style. Because his style is different.

[Mike Ryan]

Sorry. I touched the wrong thing. I'm looking for the. Yes. You just explained the show to everybody. Yeah. Yeah. That's the whole. I've been doing it for 20 years, but it's incessant. It's crazy.

[Roy Bellamy]

Like the entire show Is built on you talking shit about others and getting them to fight.

[Mike Ryan]

That's right.

[Billy Gil]

That is.

[Mike Ryan]

Yes.

[Billy Gil]

We figured it out.

[Mike Ryan]

Yeah. What are you doing?

[Roy Bellamy]

Constant debate.

[Mike Ryan]

You're showing everybody the whole thing.

[Roy Bellamy]

20 years manipulative machine cog.

[Mike Ryan]

Like, what do you. I don't understand. I cock.

[Roy Bellamy]

It's our right. People's. What?

[Billy Gil]

I'm a Brett Favre in this manipulated machine.

[Mike Ryan]

I can't find the right button here. I'll find it. Hold on.

[Stugotz]

Another call.

[Mike Ryan]

Minor penalty. Two minutes high sticking.

[Stugotz]

Whoa.

[Mike Ryan]

No, that's not the one that I needed. I'm sorry. I'm going to find it in a second because how. How, Mike? How is this dawning on you after 20 years? Like how. How is this something you're noticing? Right?

[Dan Le Batard]

Press the wrong buttons twice and you don't have to go.

[Mike Ryan]

You don't get the show. There it is. Cuz I'm in charge, cuz.

[Roy Bellamy]

Four minute bit.

[Mike Ryan]

What do you mean? How do I get to. It's the thing I do. Like Mike's just realizing. Thank you, Billy. I was looking for that one too. I appreciate you helping Roy there, Aqua. Yeah, I miss all of that. And yes, I'm shit talking all show. But I also think it is funny as we talk about the pain of Hawk. How easily he relays when we finally get to it, hey, this is the pain I'm in. And what? I don't think you guys understand it. You look at him and say, no, this is just aging. His pain threshold is miles beyond where ours is mild. Like miles and miles.

[Dan Le Batard]

Still, he's never had his period?

[Billy Gil]

No. Oh, well.

[Stugotz]

Have you, Hawk?

[Billy Gil]

Very valid. That is. I have nothing for that.

[Mike Ryan]

She wins.

[Dan Le Batard]

I don't need to hear about men's pain tolerances.

[Mike Ryan]

Have a baby.

[Stugotz]

Have you had kidney stones?

[Billy Gil]

No kidney stones.

[Stugotz]

Oh, you're soft.

[Billy Gil]

Yeah.

[Dan Le Batard]

Billy. Billy, really probably. He ate a raw onion for you.

[Billy Gil]

That's weird.

[Dan Le Batard]

He probably has the highest pain tolerance.

[Mike Ryan]

For me, that's quite the martyrdom, quite the crucifix, the onion.

[Dan Le Batard]

You still shit talk him this whole show.

[Billy Gil]

I did get hit by a car when I was 12 though.

[Stugotz]

Okay, you win.

[Mike Ryan]

Okay.

[Stugotz]

Wait, how fast really going?

[Billy Gil]

Really? It was going pretty good. I flew into an intersection on my bike. But I wasn't supposed to be gone from the house. And so I got hit and I flew about probably 25ft.

[Stugotz]

What?

[Billy Gil]

In front of another girl my age. Once she see I was okay, she started laughing and the lady was like, oh my gosh. She stops the car, she's like, are you okay? And I'm like, I'm fine. I just gotta get home. Cause I wasn't supposed to be gone on my bike. And I was so scared that I was gonna get in trouble for being gone, I just went home.

[Dan Le Batard]

Did that make it hurt less?

[Billy Gil]

The adrenaline was going. Because getting hit by a car seemed to be the path of least resistance between getting in trouble by my folks for leaving the house when I wasn't supposed to.

[Dan Le Batard]

That happened to me once. My friends, we were, like, roughhousing, were swinging this, like, bag of marbles around, and it, like, hit me in the head. And my parents were at church, and I was afraid that we were going to get in trouble for roughhousing. So we never told them. And I thought for the next, like, 24 hours, I was probably just gonna drop down.

[Stugotz]

That's not getting hit by a car. It's a little different.

[Billy Gil]

I got. I broke my back.

[Dan Le Batard]

It was. But I was afraid of getting in trouble. That was the common thread.

[Billy Gil]

I broke my back in the game.

[Stugotz]

Okay.

[Billy Gil]

When I was in college. You know what? It helped me in football, because after getting so much pain. Pain. I then wasn't scared of it or any of it, really. Yeah. It got to a point, like, you've had everything. You've broken your back, you've done it. And it was like, all right, whatever happens, happens. At that point, you were numb to pain.

[Mike Ryan]

Put it on the pole.

[Billy Gil]

No longer scared of it.

[Mike Ryan]

At Le Batard, show what hurts more, getting hit by a car or getting hit by a bag of marbles?

[Dan Le Batard]

In the head.

[Mike Ryan]

In the head. Because I will say again. And I don't know.

[Dan Le Batard]

Or your period?

[Mike Ryan]

Well, that one. Everyone conced that one. I thought, okay, put that on the poll as well. What hurts more, an NFL career or your period? Fine. Fine. At Levitacho, I thought it had been conceded, though. The thing about Hawk and what we're talking about is I do believe you can articulate all the reasons that the pain is worth it with football players when Scott says they know the consequences. I worry for you in your 60s and 70s, because the pain threshold is going to have to sustain for the 40 years after the. The. The seven years of playing.

[Billy Gil]

Yeah, don't worry for me. I'll be all right, man. You know, you got out early, but.

[Mike Ryan]

It was worth it, you would say, right? Like, it's like every time we talk to somebody about what it costs, every. Every single time they say it was worth it.

[Billy Gil]

I. I agree. It was worth it. At this stage of my life, I will say it was worth it.

[Mike Ryan]

What are you laughing about, Mike?

[Roy Bellamy]

He would not let you get in there. You wanted to grief eat so bad.

[Billy Gil]

And I'm not, you know, just slapped.

[Roy Bellamy]

You off the line and ran right past you.

[Billy Gil]

I'm here. I would not be here if that was not the case. I'm talking to Dan Lebata.

[Roy Bellamy]

We know.

[Billy Gil]

I remember 20 years ago watching this show like, man, if only. If only I could make it.

[Mike Ryan]

You made it, kid. You made it.

[Stugotz]

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