The Big Suey: Don't Look Now

Summary

The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz – Episode Summary: "The Big Suey: Don't Look Now"

Release Date: March 14, 2025

Introduction

In this episode of The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz, recorded from the Elser Hotel in Downtown Miami, hosts Dan Le Batard and Stugotz, alongside their co-hosts Tony, Izzy Gutierrez, Jeremy, and Roy, delve deep into a variety of sports topics, blending humor with insightful analysis. The episode, titled "The Big Suey: Don't Look Now," features lively discussions on NFL and NBA developments, player performances, and even ventures into the world of tennis.

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NFL Focus: Sam Darnold and Philadelphia Eagles

Timestamp: 07:02 – 09:35

The conversation kicks off with a critical analysis of Sam Darnold's performance post-signing a lucrative $100 billion deal. Stugotz expresses skepticism about Darnold's future prospects, stating, "Rather be Tom Brady. I think Mike in a blindfold with his arms taped to his torso would do better than..." (07:01). The hosts debate whether Darnold's best years are behind him, with Tony highlighting Darnold's inconsistencies: "Last night, nine for 25. Oh, for seven from three. Four turnovers in a loss to the Washington Wizards" (15:07). Roy adds, "Don't look at that," emphasizing the ongoing struggles of the Eagles' defense, which has been significantly weakened through free agency.

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NBA Analysis: Cade Cunningham and the Detroit Pistons

Timestamp: 12:08 – 19:45

A substantial portion of the episode is dedicated to NBA commentary, particularly focusing on Cade Cunningham and the Detroit Pistons. Stugotz challenges the notion of Cunningham being a "special" player, arguing, "I think he’s a good, good lead guard. Might make an all-star game, but I don't think he is a number one on a team that's going to do much of anything" (12:23). The hosts engage in a lively debate about Cunningham's impact, with Roy questioning, "He has been special?" and Stugotz maintaining his stance that Cunningham lacks the athleticism and shot-making prowess to elevate the Pistons significantly.

Tony interjects with humor and sarcasm, stating, "Yeah, he doesn't have the athleticism to be special" (15:02), while Stugotz counters, "You don't look as bad" (14:04). The discussion extends to the Pistons' defensive woes and their recent nationally televised game against the Miami Heat, where Dan remarks on the timing and possible motivations behind ESPN's scheduling choices: "I couldn't help but think, is this in response to Shaq saying he doesn't watch the Pistons..." (15:44).

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"Don't Look Now" Segment

Timestamp: 05:00 – 19:45

A recurring interactive segment titled "Don't Look Now," sponsored by Smirnoff, adds an element of participation and fun to the show. Participants, including Izzy and Roy, are instructed not to look at specific images or information, which often leads to humorous situations when they inevitably do. For instance, at 07:02, the segment humorously addresses the state of the Philadelphia Eagles' defense, prompting reactions like Stugotz's, "He'S capable of busting through the tape... A lip product that's hydrating, non sticky and only $9" (09:38).

Throughout the segment, the hosts use it as a segue to discuss various sports topics, blending the playful nature of the game with serious sports analysis. Notable moments include Stugotz's skepticism about the Eagles' defense and the Pistons' future prospects, all wrapped in the entertaining framework of "Don't Look Now."

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Tennis Talk: Miami Open vs. Indian Wells

Timestamp: 24:15 – 38:44

Shifting gears, the hosts dive into a passionate debate about the Miami Open versus Indian Wells, examining their statuses as major tennis tournaments. Izzy Gutierrez brings an insider's perspective, noting, "I think a lot of the feedback... it's a top tier sport experience to go live in person" (35:16). Tony vehemently argues for the authenticity of Indian Wells, stating, "When I walk into the Miami Open, I'm walking into where the Dolphins and the Hurricanes play" (35:19).

The discussion touches on historical boycotts, player experiences, and the overall ambiance of each event. Stugotz recalls the absence of Venus and Serena Williams at Indian Wells for 14 years, and the hosts speculate on future appearances and the impact on tournament prestige. Izzy highlights Gael Monfils' remarkable athleticism at 38, stating, "I think it's your boy. I think Gail Monfils is the most athletic tennis player to ever live" (38:51), and contemplates his potential to win more majors if his career had unfolded differently.

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Player Spotlights and Personal Anecdotes

Timestamp: 03:33 – 17:36

Throughout the episode, the hosts share personal stories and anecdotes that add depth and relatability to their discussions. Stugotz reminisces about his weight gain during a three-week trip to the Dominican Republic as an eighth-grader, humorously noting, "I came back and my mom didn't recognize me, and I was like, you know what? I'm gonna lean into this" (03:33). This segues into broader conversations about body image and personal growth within the sports context.

Additionally, the hosts touch upon various other players and their performances. Roy brings up Joey Bosa's potential impact on the Eagles' defense, while Tony humorously compares weight betting odds to personal anecdotes, injecting levity into the serious sports analysis.

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Conclusion

Timestamp: 38:44 – End

As the episode progresses, the hosts continue to intertwine humor with sports critique, culminating in a spirited discussion about Shay Gilgeous-Alexander's place in the NBA compared to more charismatic players like Anthony Edwards and Steph Curry. Stugotz expresses his doubt about Alexander's popularity, citing a lack of personality and presence: "He doesn't have a huge personality like Anthony Edwards... not like Dwayne Wade back in the day or even Kate" (29:45).

The episode wraps up with a blend of ongoing banter, maintaining the show's signature style of blending sports insights with personal and humorous exchanges. The hosts leave listeners with thought-provoking opinions and entertaining dialogues, encouraging them to ponder the dynamics of player performances and sports event prestige.

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Notable Quotes:

• Dan LeBatard (07:02): "Rather be Tom Brady. I think Mike in a blindfold with his arms taped to his torso would do better than..."

• Stugotz (12:23): "I think he’s a good, good lead guard. Might make an all-star game, but I don't think he is a number one on a team that's going to do much of anything."

• Tony (35:19): "When I walk into the Miami Open, I'm walking into where the Dolphins and the Hurricanes play."

• Izzy Gutierrez (38:51): "I think it's your boy. I think Gail Monfils is the most athletic tennis player to ever live."

Final Thoughts

This episode exemplifies The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz's ability to blend insightful sports analysis with engaging personalities and humor. Whether dissecting NFL quarterback performances, debating NBA player potentials, or comparing major tennis tournaments, the hosts provide a multifaceted look into the sports world, making it a must-listen for fans seeking both entertainment and depth.

Transcript

[Dan LeBatard]

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[Stugotz]

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[Izzy Gutierrez]

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[Tony]

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[Izzy Gutierrez]

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[Tony]

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[Izzy Gutierrez]

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[Tony]

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[Izzy Gutierrez]

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[Tony]

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[Izzy Gutierrez]

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[Tony]

Cuervo.

[Dan LeBatard]

Welcome to the Big Sui presented by DraftKings.

[Tony]

Why are you listening to this show? The podcast that seems very similar to the other Dan LeBatard podcast?

[Stugotz]

I'm sorry. I'm not gonna apologize for that.

[Dan LeBatard]

In fact, the only difference seems to be this imaging.

[Tony]

I have been tempted in restaurants just walking past tables to grab somebody's fries if they're just there. That hasn't happened to you guys.

[Stugotz]

I've done it.

[Tony]

And now here's the marching man to Nowhere Fat Face and the Habitual Liar.

[Jeremy]

This episode of the Dan Lobtar show with Stugats is presented by DraftKings. DraftKings. The Crown is yours.

[Tony]

Champagne going in. Sewage coming out.

[Stugotz]

The.

[Tony]

On the screens over here, there was a commercial break.

[Izzy Gutierrez]

It was so awkward.

[Tony]

What was awkward?

[Stugotz]

Let's sit in it.

[Izzy Gutierrez]

Let's put that in the club. What was your dismount like? Your own laugh at your own joke? The champagne joke.

[Tony]

Oh, you know what? I wasn't even laughing.

[Izzy Gutierrez]

You left on an island, and you're like, no, I'm not gonna be here by myself. My own laugh is gonna follow me.

[Tony]

You know what's funny? You know who I'm most disappointed in? You.

[Izzy Gutierrez]

Yeah, I understand why.

[Tony]

Explain to the people why I understand.

[Izzy Gutierrez]

I wasn't there to Support you.

[Tony]

Why did I want your support?

[Izzy Gutierrez]

Because it's a line that I should know.

[Stugotz]

What movie is it from?

[Tony]

It's from the major motion picture Cocktail.

[Izzy Gutierrez]

People forget.

[Tony]

People forget that they did a cinephile episode. The TV screen here had a commercial going for the Cadbury creme eggs.

[Jeremy]

Oh, we're still doing that.

[Tony]

It's the same commercial, Roy, since 1994, where all the animals are auditioning to be the next bunny for Cadbury.

[Jeremy]

Yeah, the lion.

[Tony]

They haven't changed it. They just run it back every year.

[Stugotz]

Wow.

[Jeremy]

Like the M and Ms. Commercial.

[Tony]

Like the M and M's. They do exist. He does exist. And they both faint.

[Stugotz]

I would watch a. Where are they now from those animals? Probably all day. But if there's one or two that are still around, that used to be the one food, like the annual food that comes around every year that I would just absolutely, like, love. And I was so excited. Didn't care what time of year it was. I just wanted those Cadbury eggs. They're so good.

[Tony]

This is my favorite origin story. Izzy Gutierrez, former fat kid, that comes out in little glimpses like that Cadbury egg.

[Roy]

Oh, there he is.

[Stugotz]

So fat.

[Tony]

Jess, I got you every Easter. Just coming through.

[Stugotz]

Like, the crazy part about me being a fat kid is I was always. I was also a very skinny kid. Like, when I was, like, from, you know, 8, 9, 10, 11, I was like a toothpick. And then my parents sent me to the Dominican Republic for three weeks. I went to this resort that had food at all hours of the day. And I came back and my mom didn't recognize me, and I was like, you know what? I'm lean into this.

[Tony]

Three weeks.

[Stugotz]

Three weeks.

[Tony]

Three weeks.

[Stugotz]

I gained so much weight, and then I just kept going from there. By the time I got to eighth grade, I was, you know, plus 200 something. And, you know.

[Tony]

Wow, is that the betting odds on DraftKings Sportsbook or.

[Stugotz]

No, that's actually how much I weighed. You did not weigh over 200.

[Tony]

You did not weigh 200 pounds as an eighth grader.

[Stugotz]

I'm gonna find a show of as an eighth grader.

[Tony]

Yeah, 200 pounds. I don't think you guys understand what 200 pounds is. 200 pounds is like, I'm trying to think, like, Steph Curry might be, like, a shade over £200.

[Stugotz]

I was 200 plus.

[Roy]

He's 197.7.

[Tony]

Oh, there you go. He knows it by the fraction, by the decimal, like, £200. How tall were you? You're not that tall right now?

[Stugotz]

I was about 5, 9, 5, 8. Oh, wow. Like when I get. When I got measured for football in 10th grade, I was five, nine and three quarters with no shoes.

[Tony]

And the weight was.

[Stugotz]

I don't remember.

[Tony]

Jesus.

[Stugotz]

In 10th grade, I was probably hovering right around 200.

[Tony]

I just like. I just like the idea of, like, a buffet. And then people say, don't look now. Here comes Izzy.

[Jeremy]

Oh, don't look now.

[Roy]

Yeah, don't look now. Hold on. Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa.

[Jeremy]

That's a good segue right there.

[Stugotz]

Hold on.

[Tony]

Come on, guys.

[Roy]

Gotta get ready. Sorry. Didn't see that coming.

[Tony]

It's time for a new game. Don't Look Now.

[Jeremy]

Hey, Don't look now was presented by Smirnoff, the world's number one vodka. Please drink responsibly.

[Stugotz]

Mike, childproof the main area so Mike doesn't get hurt.

[Roy]

I'm trying to.

[Stugotz]

A little dicey.

[Roy]

Okay. Watch out.

[Stugotz]

Oh, whoa, whoa. Taylor.

[Roy]

All right, boys. Don't look now. Izzy, I see you looking. Stop looking.

[Stugotz]

I'm looking for a photo.

[Izzy Gutierrez]

Don't.

[Roy]

I told you to.

[Stugotz]

What are you looking at?

[Tony]

Yeah, you can't even see.

[Stugotz]

How can you see?

[Roy]

Because I feel.

[Stugotz]

I'm like Daredevil.

[Tony]

Also, Izzy, just so that you're rest assured, Mike is being childproofed as we speak by Taylor.

[Stugotz]

Okay, great.

[Dan LeBatard]

Taylor is literally taping him to Mike.

[Roy]

Stay strong, buddy. All right, boys, don't look now. Gardner Minshew is a chief.

[Tony]

Whoa.

[Roy]

How do we like that?

[Tony]

I like it, man.

[Roy]

Just in case, pass on them half with.

[Stugotz]

I'm not supposed to look, but if I were to look, I could imagine Gardner Minshew out there running around and trying to make big plays. Kind of like Patrick Mahomes.

[Tony]

Also Tony. I must admit, Garda Minchu seems to me like a guy who's good for the vibes.

[Roy]

Oh, great for the vibes, right? Guy's an A1. He's that all Pro Vibes guy. Him. Baker, let's. We should make an All Pro Vibes list.

[Tony]

Tough super bowl loss. The vibes are down. You need someone to bring the vibes back.

[Roy]

Exactly right. You need jean shorts, you need creed, you need the mullet. Everybody gets back on track. By the way, talk about old face, new place. Joey Bosa is a bill.

[Stugotz]

Oh, wow.

[Roy]

Intrigued by that, boys.

[Tony]

Wow.

[Roy]

Brother's connection would be nice on each side of the line.

[Tony]

Bosa to Bosa.

[Stugotz]

Wait a second.

[Izzy Gutierrez]

How is this?

[Stugotz]

He's just getting his arms taped.

[Roy]

How are you looking? How do you know what's going on.

[Stugotz]

I didn't know what we could look at. Should we just close our eyes?

[Roy]

The whole point is don't look now.

[Tony]

Well, you're not looking now. We're looking at you, though.

[Roy]

Don't look at me.

[Tony]

Okay.

[Stugotz]

How do you know I wasn't just told? Because Roy has to look. He's got buttons to press. Roy told me that Mike's arms are getting.

[Roy]

Roy can look. You cannot look.

[Dan LeBatard]

Cabinet broke back here.

[Roy]

Oh, I. That's what I heard. Guys, don't look now, but are we not sure that Sam Darnold's best years are behind him already? Already. After signing $100 billion deal, Koc now going to a new offense.

[Stugotz]

Wait a second. I don't need to look at all. I knew that watching last year, I was like, oh, this is the best year he's ever going to have. It's not going to be anything like this ever again.

[Tony]

We. We all aspire to be Sam Donald, right?

[Roy]

Yes.

[Tony]

To be, like, really good. Not great, but really good at just the right time.

[Roy]

One good year.

[Tony]

That's all you wildly compensated for.

[Stugotz]

Rather be Tom Brady. I think Mike in a blindfold with his arms taped to his torso would do better than.

[Tony]

Than.

[Stugotz]

Dude. Where'd he go?

[Roy]

Seahawks.

[Stugotz]

Dude in Seattle.

[Tony]

Dude in Seattle.

[Stugotz]

I mean, he's got no receiver.

[Tony]

You didn't know his name or his.

[Roy]

He's got jsn, Jackson, Smith, and Jigba, who's a nice piece. They got to obviously do some, you know, watch. Watch for maybe Cooper landing.

[Tony]

Don't look.

[Roy]

But watch.

[Tony]

Don't look now. Taylor's dead.

[Roy]

Where is Taylor?

[Tony]

He's. He's a corpse. Mike has just stomped him.

[Stugotz]

You guys let me know when we're ready to look again, because I'll show you a picture of.

[Roy]

Don't look at that picture. Everybody here. Do not look at that picture. Last one here for. Don't look now. Don't look now, but the super bowl champion Philadelphia Eagles, basically their entire defense has been gutted and is no longer there.

[Tony]

I saw that.

[Stugotz]

I look sad.

[Roy]

Defensive line, their safety, their corner, everybody's gone.

[Stugotz]

When? Because free agency is currently happening. When are we supposed to look? Because they have to replace those guys, don't they?

[Roy]

Howie Roseman's got to look. I don't know what's happening here.

[Tony]

Hey, here's a highlight.

[Roy]

Somebody tell me what's happening.

[Tony]

Oh, my gosh.

[Stugotz]

He broke through the tape.

[Tony]

It's like Frankenstein's monster. And now he's. Now he's mobile. Now he's mobile.

[Stugotz]

That's not the right. Oh, no. Oh, wow.

[Tony]

Okay, Tony.

[Roy]

Yeah, it's a good.

[Stugotz]

Taylor's under there is Howie Rosen.

[Tony]

Is he. Is he.

[Roy]

He's not looking right now, but he needs to start looking.

[Tony]

Is he the David Sampson of the NFL? No, because, I mean, they won it, and now all of a sudden, Roseman's.

[Roy]

Got two Super Bowls to David Sampson's one World Series. Plus they didn't do a fire sale. They were getting rid of guys that probably were going to be overpaid and free agency, and guys were maybe a little bit long in the tooth.

[Tony]

The old sel.

[Stugotz]

I'm still confused by this. I know I'm not looking. Trust me. I can hear tape being utilized, and I just don't understand why Mike has to not look and not use his arms. And.

[Roy]

Well, the problem is he starts moving and then he's uncontrollable. What is this? Oh, it's a foot.

[Tony]

If you. If you. If you don't tape him down, Izzy, then he starts to wreak havoc everywhere and hurts himself as well. So this is for his safety, but.

[Stugotz]

He'S capable of busting through the tape, as we just noticed.

[Tony]

Well, I think that was a momentary feat of strength. I don't think it's constant.

[Jeremy]

I mean, it's a painter's tape, for crying out loud.

[Tony]

Oh, is it?

[Roy]

Yeah.

[Tony]

Isn't that what the kidnappers use?

[Roy]

Yeah, that was Don't Look Now.

[Tony]

All right, That's Don't Look Now. It's brought to you by Smirnoff, right?

[Stugotz]

Yeah.

[Tony]

Thank you. Like that. You put that one in the club. Because that time, zero confidence.

[Stugotz]

You can't put the Smirnoff Reed in the Cuervo club.

[Dan LeBatard]

I walked just the alcohols, dude.

[Tony]

I walked off the cliff like Indiana Jones. And I was like, I don't know if there's a step here.

[Roy]

And guess what?

[Tony]

There was.

[Roy]

There was Leap of faith.

[Stugotz]

I don't think Mike just took a leap of pain. I believe he's on the floor now.

[Tony]

Mike, you can look now. Someone tell Mike he can look now.

[Stugotz]

Mike, you can look.

[Jeremy]

Mike, you can look now.

[Roy]

You just found out about Minshew.

[Jeremy]

Oh, wow.

[Tony]

Cade Cunningham. What was that?

[Jeremy]

Go.

[Roy]

Do you want to start or do you want me to start?

[Stugotz]

Look, Tony believes that he. That I'm standing under a nine foot basket right now, not looking in his direction because he needs to dunk on me so badly because something I said could be 10ft.

[Roy]

It could be 10ft.

[Stugotz]

Really? It could be 10ft. We're going to have this video.

[Roy]

Evan Michael's bothered me a little bit, but it could be temporary.

[Tony]

When's your birthday?

[Stugotz]

Already putting the new.

[Roy]

July 25th.

[Tony]

We still got till July. We still got till July.

[Roy]

July 25. I will have a video for you.

[Stugotz]

I mean, I'm not standing under a 10 foot rim for you to dunk on me because I don't think you could do it. But there was a take that I had. It wasn't even a real take. It was something that I just spit out at when I was guesting on Oddball one time before I was co host and Tony, do you have video of it?

[Roy]

We've got video. I'm glad you asked. Do absolutely have video. This is from October. October. I want to say 20 something. So the season had just kind of started getting underway. We were just getting ready for things to start.

[Stugotz]

Trying to fix the cabinet he broke. Yeah.

[Tony]

Oh, no.

[Dan LeBatard]

He's looking now and he's realizing this.

[Tony]

Segment is costing us more money than it's making.

[Roy]

Is he here? I don't think Robert is here.

[Tony]

Kirk.

[Roy]

Let's. Let's play the video of where you can see Izzy kind of dismiss something that was said that obviously real Hoopers knew at the time and now real Hoopers know now. Keep an eye on the Pistons this year.

[Dan LeBatard]

Keep a little eye on.

[Stugotz]

Just a little eye.

[Roy]

Keep an eye. Cade Cunningham is special. Dan, I want you to keep an eye on Kate Cunningham and the Pistons.

[Tony]

No, he's not, says Izzy.

[Stugotz]

No, no, he's not. I had this, I put this in the, in the group chat last season. I said, Cade Cunningham. He's all right. He is not special. He doesn't have. I don't think he has the athleticism to be special. I don't think he has the shot making to be special. I think he's a good, good lead guard. Might make an all star game, but I don't think he is a number one on a team that's going to do much of anything.

[Roy]

We'll see.

[Stugotz]

Talk me off of that because I still believe that.

[Tony]

Dude, hold on now. I know what you're doing. I know you because I've. I am a master of that ninja technique myself where it's like I'm going to take the semantics of what I said. So now he's going to make it. It's about championships.

[Stugotz]

Whoa, whoa. Is, is, is that not lit? Wow. This whole table shook. Is that not literally what I said? He can't be the number one guy on a Team that's going to do a whole lot of. Is that not literally what I said?

[Tony]

He said keep an eye on them to basically make the playoffs.

[Stugotz]

No, he said he's special. I said he's not special. But that's different. Semantics game. Like your definition of special is different than mine. I still don't think he's special. I think he's a nice player.

[Tony]

He said keep an eye on them and you said keep a little eye. Like, it's like. Like don't keep an eye on.

[Dan LeBatard]

I mean, a cell is a little lie.

[Stugotz]

Thank you. How big of an eye do you keep on a cell?

[Tony]

They were the.

[Roy]

They were the worst team last year.

[Dan LeBatard]

That's really cool.

[Tony]

That's a. A massive improvement.

[Stugotz]

Correct. And he put small eye on them. Like, if you would have kept a big eye on them, you would have missed the Luca trade.

[Roy]

Sure. Okay. But he's 26, 6 and 9.

[Stugotz]

Sure. How many turnovers he's also.

[Dan LeBatard]

Yeah, he's second in the league in turnovers.

[Roy]

Don't look at that.

[Stugotz]

Every time. Oh, my God. Back in here.

[Tony]

Stop it.

[Roy]

Don't look down.

[Tony]

Oh, he's dead. I forgot.

[Stugotz]

You know what?

[Tony]

Let's.

[Stugotz]

Let's not look at last night either. When they lost to the Wizard.

[Tony]

Stop saying don't look.

[Roy]

It triggers him.

[Stugotz]

Please. He got blocked on winner.

[Roy]

Okay, again, don't. Don't. Don't look at that.

[Jeremy]

Don't.

[Stugotz]

Don't look at his numbers from last year where, yes, I understand he was on a worst team with a worst coach.

[Roy]

Okay?

[Stugotz]

But if you are special, you elevate above those guys. You don't look as bad.

[Roy]

But what has he done this entire year? Elevate and brought all those guys with.

[Stugotz]

No, the guys, the coaches better look. I mean, don't look because what you're going to see. Say that what you're going to see. Watch. Don't look until we.

[Tony]

What are you doing?

[Stugotz]

Don't look, Mike, using those words until we get to the playoffs. When we get to the playoffs, then you can look. Then you can look and you'll see a guy who can be schemed against. You'll see a guy who's le. Again, not the number one guy on a team that's going to do a whole heck of a lot of winning. A number two guy. That team's going to win a damn championship at some point potentially, but number one guy. And to me, that's not special. Like, what makes him special as a point guard potentially is his size. His size makes him. You know he can do some.

[Roy]

How about a shot making ability?

[Stugotz]

He can make some shots. But look, there's a lot of guys in the league. Put him in that hole, they could put those numbers up. It's not that great.

[Dan LeBatard]

It's not to Izzy's defense last night. If I want to.

[Izzy Gutierrez]

If I want to.

[Dan LeBatard]

Just boost up your argument.

[Roy]

Just last night. Arguments.

[Stugotz]

Yep.

[Dan LeBatard]

Last night, nine for 25. Oh, for seven from three. Four turnovers in a loss to the Washington Wizards.

[Stugotz]

Nobody wants free throws.

[Tony]

Nobody wants to hear this. Since trading.

[Stugotz]

Cover your ears too, Mike.

[Tony]

Since. Yes. Don't hear it now. Nobody wants to hear this. That's a different segment. Nobody wants to hear this. But since trading Kyle Kuzma, the Wizards are way better. Way better. They're way better.

[Stugotz]

Why doesn't it. People in D.C. want to hear that.

[Tony]

They're damn near. 500. Look it up.

[Roy]

He had a putback slam on his own little Miss J last night. By the way, Kyle Kuzvid.

[Dan LeBatard]

There is something funny. Tony with the Pistons.

[Stugotz]

I think it was his only make of the night, too.

[Dan LeBatard]

Next.

[Roy]

He hit a three next week.

[Dan LeBatard]

The Pistons have now just had a nationally televised game added to their schedule. And that's here in Miami against the Heat next Wednesday. Now, we know.

[Tony]

Poor decision.

[Dan LeBatard]

We know that. That more likely than not, ESPN is not deciding to put that game on the air because of the Heat. That's more of a Pistons thing. And when I saw that announced, I couldn't help but think, is this in response to Shaq saying he doesn't watch the Pistons and everyone saying they need to be on more nationally televised games as a result because they're having this fun season, everyone starts talking about them, realizing some of the most important voices in the game haven't even watched them. And yet here we are now all of a sudden.

[Stugotz]

Love to believe that ESPN was strictly trolling Shaq. If you look at the scheduled flex potential, there wasn't really a lot of others.

[Dan LeBatard]

Yeah, this is instead of Pelicans, Grizzlies, actually.

[Tony]

That's. That's not a bad game.

[Dan LeBatard]

That's what I'm saying.

[Stugotz]

That's a better game in my Shaw versus Zion. It's still that fake oga Zion. It's still the fake draft year war. Right. Who's actually better between those two?

[Tony]

We're looking.

[Dan LeBatard]

Start looking.

[Stugotz]

You're allowed to look. No, Mike, don't look.

[Tony]

Mike.

[Stugotz]

Mike.

[Tony]

No. Mike. Look. That's him. Not looking is what got us here.

[Stugotz]

Is this Kate Cunningham related or no?

[Tony]

Okay. The Wizards are 5 and 10 since the trade deadline. And I know you're saying, I mean, that's not great. Yeah. So much better than they were. They had nine wins.

[Roy]

They were the worst team in the league.

[Stugotz]

They had nine wins before, by the way. I don't want to sound like a hater.

[Tony]

Just don't say the word.

[Stugotz]

I think this is why. Well, let's not. Let's not look.

[Tony]

Don't say the guy.

[Stugotz]

If you don't look now, then you won't see me as a hater. Right. And I don't think I'm a hater. I just want to tell people my opinion hasn't changed on Cade Cunningham, despite this great season.

[Roy]

Yes. But we can all capitulate. You mostly everybody can capitulate on you laughing me almost out of the room saying that the Pistons were going to keep an eye on the Pistons.

[Stugotz]

That is not laughing you out of the room. Laughing you out of the room. Is saying no. Close both eyes. Don't look the way Mike's doing, what you're supposed to do. I said keep a small eye. And the six seed, who's the sixth seed out west right now? Is it Houston? If I would have told you at the beginning of the season, keep a.

[Tony]

Small eye on six.

[Stugotz]

I mean, if I. Let's say. Let's say Houston. If I would have told you, keep a small eye on Houston, would that have been an insult? Nah, it's a team that you should keep an eye on.

[Roy]

Was bad last year.

[Tony]

Mike is now outside where people are working. Izzy, this is all on you.

[Stugotz]

It's not really. Is he.

[Tony]

It's like. It's like the Family Guy episode where someone says, hey, have you heard the word, like, don't ask him what the word is.

[Dan LeBatard]

Oh, God.

[Jeremy]

Dick Van Dyke over here. Oh, no.

[Stugotz]

Yeah, that's the same Pratt fall he took last time, but he did it better this time, I think.

[Tony]

Last time. Last time he hurt himself.

[Roy]

Yeah, he took a dive last time.

[Dan LeBatard]

Okay, all we have to do is.

[Roy]

Say Cade Cunningham is going to be comeback player of the year. He's already, I think, odds on 50 award.

[Tony]

We don't have an award. They stopped giving that award because it kept going to people who come back from drug rehab.

[Stugotz]

Yeah.

[Jeremy]

No, no. It's a wrestling term. He took a bump.

[Tony]

No, no comeback.

[Stugotz]

Come back later.

[Roy]

Come back later in the year.

[Jeremy]

Oh, come back.

[Stugotz]

Just like talking about.

[Mike]

Mike used to have the All Interview.

[Roy]

Team, which I think should bring back.

[Stugotz]

The All Interview team because they'll encourage people to do interviews. Damn it.

[Tony]

Yeah, Speaking of all of this.

[Stugotz]

Mike, you can look now.

[Tony]

Mike, you can look because I want to talk about.

[Stugotz]

We're good. Mike.

[Tony]

I want to talk about tennis. Mike. Mike, can we talk about tennis? No. He's eating a bagel now.

[Stugotz]

Out of Ethan's hands.

[Tony]

Yeah, I'm uncomfortable with all this. I do blame you again, Izzy.

[Stugotz]

Why?

[Tony]

Because you kept using the word. The two words you can't use. You can have that same conversation. Just don't use those two words.

[Stugotz]

It's a sponsored segment.

[Tony]

Not anymore.

[Stugotz]

It says right there.

[Tony]

They stopped.

[Stugotz]

Don't look now.

[Roy]

Excited.

[Stugotz]

He just walked in. I'm signing. I'm only God.

[Tony]

Izzy, it's not a sponsored Sega anymore because the liability they don't want, the insurance is too high, the implications.

[Stugotz]

I don't think that's true, by the way.

[Roy]

Not comeback player of the year, but most improved player of the year. He's odds on favorite to win.

[Stugotz]

Is he odds on favorite for Tyler?

[Roy]

Second or third?

[Stugotz]

And because he's not the most improved player, he's on a team with better teammates and a better coach. That's what makes him better, by the way, Dyson.

[Roy]

Daniel Daniels second.

[Stugotz]

So good. He should be most.

[Tony]

Dyson Daniels. I put it over there.

[Stugotz]

That dude would lock or down. Is it locking up or lock him down?

[Tony]

Who's one?

[Roy]

Lock him up for depoy.

[Tony]

Yeah.

[Roy]

Right now is Evan Mobley minus 225 on drafting sports with Dyson Daniels. Plus 500. Jaren Jackson Jr. Who's obviously hurt. Still plus 900 at three. And Bam climbing in, sneaking in Draymond Green.

[Tony]

Do a podcast.

[Dan LeBatard]

Where's Bam?

[Tony]

Where is Bam?

[Stugotz]

Was there nothing on that bagel that was shoved in Mike's mouth? It looked very dry. You should be careful. You could choke.

[Roy]

Bam is actually behind Lou Dort, who's plus 1500. Shay, who's plus 3500. Zubots, who's plus 10,000. Jalen Williams, plus 15,000.

[Tony]

Which one?

[Roy]

J. Dub. And then Bam is plus 15,000.

[Stugotz]

15,000. I just saw an article that said he might be top two, and he's actually 15,000.

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[Tony]

Don LeBatard, if Daniel Day Lewis did it, you'd be jerking off all over yourself. Oh, come on.

[Izzy Gutierrez]

Yeah, I would be aggressive Description.

[Tony]

I mean, what is it? What is that? I'm just saying. No, that's just saying what?

[Izzy Gutierrez]

That's me. I see that photo of Daniel Day Lewis looking like Lincoln before he's about to start filming. Lincoln, and you know what I do amin stugats. I jerk off all over myself. That's what I do. Lincoln, who you outed the other day. Don't make this a rejoin.

[Jeremy]

This is the Dan Levatar show with the stugats.

[Stugotz]

Mike, come on back here. You can look now, because I want to make everybody stare at Shay Gilgeous Alexander for a second. This is a good topic for you, Tony, you want to talk hoop? All right, Shay, I will tell you, I will admit to you he's special. That guy can be the number one. He's special. I don't believe I'm saying anything crazy here. Can be the number one on a team that wins a championship. I just want to know what people's like, likeability, like what they actually think of him. Is he a guy? Because the reason this came up in my head is, was like, when, if ever, will Shay get embraced? When will America like Shay? Will it have to be him winning a finals? Winning finals. Mvp. And I thought to myself, no, it's not going to happen. If it was going to happen, it would have happened already. The same way it's with Anthony Edwards or, you know, whenever Zion Williamson plays. Like, people love him. People don't love Shea Gildous Alexander. And I'm trying to figure out why. And to me, I think he's pretty funny. You think he's funny? Oh, that's Shane Gillis Alexander. That guy.

[Tony]

Different. Different guy.

[Stugotz]

Different.

[Tony]

You can put your different guy.

[Stugotz]

Don't look, because we're just.

[Izzy Gutierrez]

Jesus Christ.

[Stugotz]

I mean, if you're. You're going to mistake one for the other, just don't look. How's that empanada, by the way?

[Roy]

It's a bagel.

[Stugotz]

Oh, see, I knew it was a bagel. I'm getting lied to constantly in my ears today. I'm just saying you deserve it.

[Tony]

Well, you've wrecked this show.

[Stugotz]

I've wrecked the show.

[Roy]

Wrecked this show segment at least by.

[Stugotz]

Continuing a sponsored segment and telling Mike not to look now. And he's getting fed.

[Roy]

There we go.

[Stugotz]

You know, buy other people. This is a great bit for Mike. Like, he gets to walk around, not look at anything, face on the door.

[Tony]

I mean, are you gonna explain to Cynthia later why he's got welts all over him?

[Stugotz]

Sure. What is this, like an innie Audi severance situation? Like, I have to have a note with him and say, hey, the reason you have things on. Look, Shea, Gilgis, Alexander, why don't people like him?

[Roy]

Is it small market? Is it that he was with the Clippers and kind of was like a small market? Sure. But I know why I don't like personality. You know it.

[Tony]

I know I don't like Izzy.

[Roy]

Oh, Izzy.

[Stugotz]

I don't want any of that bagel if that's what you're doing here, Mike.

[Tony]

Well, guess what.

[Roy]

Guess what?

[Tony]

This is what you don't look, Izzy. This is what you courted. We're trying to tell you, you gotta keep away from these trigger phrases, and you won't.

[Mike]

Oh.

[Jeremy]

Oh, no. Is there a cream cheese?

[Dan LeBatard]

And the cream cheese is all over his face.

[Roy]

Now the vegan. Done. There's no more veganism.

[Jeremy]

I agree.

[Tony]

It's in his hair.

[Stugotz]

Cheese.

[Tony]

His hair, which is also cream cheese colored. So I kind of miss.

[Stugotz]

Cream cheese is so good.

[Tony]

Dude, this is it.

[Stugotz]

Get me some more, Mike.

[Tony]

This is your. Wow. Let's go. This is your Dominic.

[Roy]

You want a steak after?

[Tony]

This is your Dominican Republic trip. Three weeks right here. Can we put up the photo while.

[Stugotz]

I'm eating of fat? Me next to the kid from Modern Family? Because we're pretty much the same.

[Tony]

No way.

[Roy]

We have that.

[Tony]

No way.

[Dan LeBatard]

You look like Manny.

[Stugotz]

I'm telling you. What is his name? Manny.

[Dan LeBatard]

Yeah, Manny.

[Stugotz]

Yeah. There it is. Look at that.

[Tony]

Oh, no.

[Stugotz]

Who's who? I ask you, who is who?

[Tony]

Oh, my God.

[Stugotz]

For a second. For a quick second, look where you are. And now look at the. Look at this camera. Look at the monitor.

[Tony]

Oh, my God.

[Stugotz]

That's me on the left. That's Manny.

[Izzy Gutierrez]

That's you on both.

[Jeremy]

That's you on both.

[Stugotz]

Oh, I'm legit gonna eat the rest of this. Don't look, Mike.

[Tony]

Don't say again. Oh, man. Get away. There's a camera for you. Turn away. It cost $100,000.

[Jeremy]

No, no, you're right.

[Dan LeBatard]

You know, to Tony's defense, Kate is one of two players along with Nikola jokic, who's top 10 in both assists and points this year.

[Stugotz]

Wow. So great. Number two, that guy like Giannis. I don't even want to Stay on this because it's like. And especially because I'm going anti toning.

[Roy]

But you've capitulated the one who.

[Stugotz]

No, I haven't. I just put cream chips on my face.

[Tony]

To Taylor. Just get it. Get him out of here, man. He's stuck behind the goddamn thing.

[Jeremy]

He's stuck behind the thing.

[Roy]

Taylor's the mic wrangler.

[Tony]

He's got him.

[Jeremy]

He's got him.

[Stugotz]

I just don't want to be seen as a hater.

[Dan LeBatard]

It feels like.

[Stugotz]

It feels like I am just properly putting him in his slot while everybody else. Look, I don't. I'm doing him a favor. See if you set the expectations too high.

[Roy]

What a pickup from Taylor for the audio body Slam.

[Dan LeBatard]

Taylor is currently Alabama Mike and walking him out of the studio. Mike was stuck behind some panels. Izzy has cream cheese all over his face. Doors are wide open. Just painting a picture.

[Stugotz]

And also not a K hater, not a cater.

[Jeremy]

You want napkin?

[Stugotz]

I mean, what do we got? 13 minutes? I can deal.

[Jeremy]

Okay. No, no. Get that dried on your face there.

[Stugotz]

I kind of like the smell. Cuz I. Like I said, I haven't eaten cream cheese in forever.

[Roy]

They got vegan cream cheese you can have. Of course not. Why not?

[Tony]

Not the same.

[Roy]

Why not?

[Jeremy]

But guess what is your meme now.

[Roy]

So made out of bugs or whatever?

[Stugotz]

That's a mean.

[Roy]

But to answer your question, is it that.

[Jeremy]

Hey.

[Roy]

Is that Shay doesn't have a huge personality like Anthony Edwards? Is it that? I. I understand they're both in small markets at&t. Chad Holmgren commercial with Shay does not move the needle for.

[Tony]

I have answers. I have answers for you. Number one. And people think it doesn't matter, but it does. He's Canadian. Yeah. Number two, while a nice guy, not really bubbling on the charisma meter.

[Stugotz]

Wait, the Canadian thing. People like Steve Nash just fine.

[Tony]

Look, Steve Nash was MVP of the league twice, right? Like, it took a lot for Steve Nash to get to that point. You think about. Steve Nash was a perennial all star. He was perennial all star before winning MVPs. He wasn't like a face of the league. He was like, okay, he's an all star. He's pretty good. Okay, number three. This one's big. It's not just you play in a small market. You play in the smallest, dullest, most boring market with an organization that does not want publicity.

[Stugotz]

But that doesn't matter.

[Tony]

It does. Thank you again. Kevin Durant, mvp. Russell Westbrook, mvp.

[Stugotz]

But those guys were. Well, not Russell, but in the year.

[Tony]

That we won and some of the groups. Mike's in the video room. I looked at. Get him out of there. Lock him in the green room, please.

[Stugotz]

I think. I think Mike might. Mike, you can look now because what you did is you just put your boy Marshand on the screen and that's not what you want to do.

[Jeremy]

It's Florida Panther now.

[Stugotz]

Yeah.

[Jeremy]

Let's go.

[Stugotz]

Mike, you can look. Come on back. I don't look. I believe an Oklahoma. Like, look at this. I don't look. It happened. I'm sorry. I'm sorry to Mike.

[Tony]

I finally know how to everybody. I finally know how Dan feels.

[Jeremy]

I can't wait for that phone call.

[Tony]

Forgive me, but the show got away from me.

[Roy]

What happened?

[Stugotz]

Izzy kept saying people really like KD before he won an mvp. Like you can be. You can be an OKC and be likable. I think it has everything to do with his game. I think it has everything to do with the fact that he sort of operates in the middle of the floor. Not really like dynamic, athletic, just kind of, you know, footwork and grace and ability and obviously the shot making. But if people like clamor for the mid range and what used to happen back in the day, like you're asking for 48 minutes of what Shea does and what Shay does, again, while it can carry a team, is not like, I must watch this guy play. It's not like Anthony Edwards. It's not like John Moran. It's not like Steph Curry. It's not like any of these guys. Not like Dwayne Wade back in the day or even Kate.

[Tony]

Can I. Can I give a very weird comp for Shay? Gilius Alexander. It's not exactly the same, but it's very similar.

[Izzy Gutierrez]

John Belushi.

[Jeremy]

Hmm, interesting.

[Tony]

Sam Cassell.

[Izzy Gutierrez]

Oh, I don't see that at all.

[Tony]

I'll tell you how it's all off rhythm, off tempo stuff getting you with the herky jerky.

[Stugotz]

It's all ball bearings.

[Roy]

Unorthodox these days.

[Tony]

It's all pipes. Unorthodox. Right. But also big time shot making.

[Stugotz]

Only reason I would say it's different is because, you know, Shade does it with his length. And Sam was not that person. He was six. One shorter shooter.

[Tony]

Yeah, he's smaller than Shade.

[Stugotz]

I mean, he absolutely killed a pick and roller with Elton Brand. Like, I don't know if Shay, if Shay is exactly that type of guy that makes his bigs better.

[Tony]

I think he does make his bigs better. I mean, like, I think he's absolutely Incredible at that. But it's, it's a lot about the off tempo stuff. It's. You're. What you're describing as you're describing like, oh, it sounds like Sam Cassell because all the guys you're describing are like explosive. Get by guys, whatever. And this guy's doing footwork. He's doing it with shiftiness, he's doing it with like a level of, of subterfuge and craft, but.

[Stugotz]

Oh, wow.

[Roy]

But he is a three level scorer, right? Like he's got the three ball, he's got mid range, he can finish the hoop. Like he's, he's a very all around player. So when you say he talks about footwork and tries to like deceive guys into playing, it almost sounds like Paul Pierce, right? Like Paul was very much like a. Let me slow down. Let me try and get something off one leg. Let me do something different.

[Tony]

And who does Izzy hate?

[Stugotz]

The truth.

[Tony]

There you go.

[Roy]

That's why.

[Dan LeBatard]

That's why people have been lying in his ears.

[Stugotz]

All show look or don't look. It's totally up to you. Fifteen years from now. Tony, let's revisit this conversation because I don't think I will put a cap.

[Roy]

What time, what year is it? 2025. All right.

[Stugotz]

On the 35th anniversary of the Dan Levitar 20, when Mike is finally looking again.

[Tony]

The show will not.

[Stugotz]

And doing another recap of this bit right here. We can talk about Cade Cunningham again.

[Tony]

The show won't last that long because Michael have destroyed the building.

[Stugotz]

Well, did he fix the. The cabinet or is that still.

[Dan LeBatard]

No, he broke it again. It was fixed. Now it's broken.

[Tony]

All right, Mike, you want to talk about tennis? There you go. That's it. Get him back. Indian Wells, Mike, have you ever been to India?

[Stugotz]

Yeah, you can look, Mike, it's all good.

[Izzy Gutierrez]

The fifth major.

[Tony]

Yes.

[Izzy Gutierrez]

Subject to debate. What's a fifth major to you? Indian Wells or Miami?

[Tony]

No, Indian Wells. Dude, I've been to both. I've been to both. It's Indian Wells.

[Izzy Gutierrez]

What makes it more of a major? Because Miami's got more prize money.

[Tony]

I'll tell you. No, I'll tell you what makes it more of a major. When I walk into Wimbledon. What's the venue I'm walking into at Wimbledon?

[Izzy Gutierrez]

I don't know. The stadium, the hill. Murray Hill.

[Tony]

It was Wimbledon Stadium. When I walk into the US Open, what am I walking into?

[Izzy Gutierrez]

Arthur Ashe Stadium.

[Tony]

When I walk into the French Open.

[Izzy Gutierrez]

Roland Garros.

[Tony]

When I walk into the Australian Open, I Don't know. It's that Melbourne tennis stadium. When I walk into the Miami Open, I'm walking into where the Dolphins and the Hurricanes play.

[Izzy Gutierrez]

I think a lot of the feedback, because this has been a debate in tennis circles is it was Miami when it was in Key Biscayne, but Hard Rock Stadium, which I think like, having gone, I actually never experienced Key Biscayne ever.

[Tony]

Really?

[Izzy Gutierrez]

Yeah. And it's one of my great regrets. But I always thought it was too much of a hassle as a local. And Hard Rock Stadium is just as a campus for the Miami Open. It's easy to get around. Like, I really enjoy the Miami Open.

[Stugotz]

There is Indian Wells. Is that the tournament that Venus and Serena stopped playing because of racist situations?

[Izzy Gutierrez]

I'm learning so much.

[Jeremy]

Not the French Open.

[Stugotz]

It's the one out in la. Right.

[Izzy Gutierrez]

It's in the desert.

[Tony]

It's in Palm Springs, outside of Palm Springs.

[Izzy Gutierrez]

Yeah. The wind has been crazy this year.

[Tony]

It is. Look, when I want to go to a tennis, I want to feel like I'm in tennis.

[Izzy Gutierrez]

Yeah. Understand.

[Tony]

And going to the Miami Open, which I've been to, it doesn't feel like tennis. It's weird. They've got risers and stuff. And I'm like this, you're out of place.

[Izzy Gutierrez]

Fair enough.

[Tony]

Whereas Indian Wells, I feel like I'm in that environment. And for anyone who's never been to tennis and you're like, I don't watch tennis. Trust me, it is a top tier sport experience to go live in person. Oh, my God.

[Stugotz]

Jeremy just said the two best words anybody can hear.

[Tony]

Game seven.

[Stugotz]

You're right.

[Dan LeBatard]

Quote the white people at Indian Wells to America. What they've been wanting to say all along to us finally came out. Quote N word, stay away from here. We don't want you here.

[Stugotz]

So they. Richard Williams, 14 years.

[Izzy Gutierrez]

I mean, he's looking at an old version of ESPN.com right now with the yellow.

[Stugotz]

So they boycott it for 14.

[Jeremy]

Like page two.

[Izzy Gutierrez]

Page two. Like, look at this.

[Tony]

Look how old guy.

[Izzy Gutierrez]

Yeah, Flip it over.

[Roy]

Look at that.

[Tony]

Oh, wow. It doesn't even fill the screen.

[Stugotz]

There's so many of those that were like, I think the Bill Simmons columns where they put like a wacky background. So this isn't serious.

[Tony]

It was the sports guy.

[Izzy Gutierrez]

Right. I like Indian Wells as a viewing experience more because of the time that it airs. And it is. You're right. It's more of a proper tennis campus. And even though I'm a Miami guy through and through, and I've never actually Been to Indian Wells and Miami has more prize money. I would concede that now that it is a Hard Rock Stadium, that the main stadium being more antiseptic, less of a traditional Tennessee.

[Stugotz]

So you guys are talking about from the fans perspective, the reason I asked Venus.

[Izzy Gutierrez]

Well, from players, from a player's perspective too, I think more major players, even though, like, there's a lot of crossover, you probably see better quality players over at Indian Wells or some top players.

[Stugotz]

But you didn't see Venus and Serena for 14 years at Indian Wells. And the next tournament is in Miami. So I always thought, wow, Miami's the one to pay attention to. I mean, I can, you know, you watch the men in any big tournament, it's going to be the same three or four guys, right? So I'm thinking, yeah, Miami's the place to go. I get to go see Serena.

[Izzy Gutierrez]

It's, it's an excellent point. But there, there, there's been some great tennis being played. And I have a shocking observation.

[Tony]

Hold on. Before you do that, I have an update. Ten years ago yesterday, Serena Williams returned to Indian Wells. So boom, Izzy.

[Dan LeBatard]

It was a 14 year, 14 year, 14 year boycott from 2001 to 2015.

[Tony]

And then it ended.

[Stugotz]

Not quite the boom you were expecting there.

[Tony]

I think it is. It ended boom, Boom, there it is.

[Stugotz]

Where's Chris with a bang when we need it?

[Tony]

People forget that peen bang. What are your observations, Michael?

[Izzy Gutierrez]

I have the most. I think there's a hot take.

[Tony]

Okay.

[Izzy Gutierrez]

But I think there's a player right now who's 38 years old who is the most athletically gifted tennis player of all time.

[Stugotz]

Oh, it's your boy's on my nose.

[Izzy Gutierrez]

I think it's your boy. I think Gail Monfils is the most athletic tennis player to ever live. He's fun, he's got all the tools. He's never really put it all together. It's incredible what he's doing at 38. I mean, Father went away. I don't really know how he's doing it, but he's playing 30.

[Stugotz]

He's 38.

[Izzy Gutierrez]

He's 38 and he's right. Now you can make an argument that Alcaraz is going to be in that conversation. Djokovic was plenty athletic. I wasn't old enough to watch him play. But Janik Noah, if I Google it, most athletic tennis players, obviously the father of Joachim Noah. So great athletic genes there. But I think Gail Monfils might be the most athletic tennis player of all time, at least on the men's Side.

[Stugotz]

I mean, that's a great take. It also shows you how disappointing his career was. He should have won more.

[Izzy Gutierrez]

It also shows you the era that he played in.

[Stugotz]

True.

[Izzy Gutierrez]

And how great everybody else was.

[Stugotz]

But I remember constantly losing just to.

[Izzy Gutierrez]

Those guys as a 38 year old, like seeing how competitive he is right now. If he were in this era, if the prime of his career were in this era, he might have won a major. And by the way, like, I'm not going to sleep on him for, for the French Open this year. I'm not. He's playing really well.

[Tony]

This is the part where if Dan were here, he'd ask. Doesn't that make you guys want to ask questions? How a 38 year old in a sport.

[Dan LeBatard]

Where are you guys though? Not me.

[Tony]

I'm not ask those questions.

[Dan LeBatard]

I want you to ask just in case.

[Stugotz]

Does it have to be Alcaraz or is this like a Uruguay situation? Or can you say Alcaraz?

[Izzy Gutierrez]

You can say Alcaraz or Alcaraz.

[Stugotz]

Alcaraz.

[Tony]

I'm never doing the.

[Stugotz]

Can you say Urukuay for me?

[Izzy Gutierrez]

Uruguay.

[Stugotz]

Uru. That's really good.

[Izzy Gutierrez]

Uruwai. And Paraguay. I like saying it like that. I know it's a choice that I'm making, but check out this rally from Gael Monfils. This is from a few days ago. And this is him at 38 years old against Dimitrov. This was an amazing match. I think it was a 34 shot rally at one point here. But this is an example. And one of Gale's nicknames is Slider man because when he's on the clay surface, he's just. His athleticism really jumps off the screen there. But look at his range of motion, his ability to get to some of these balls. At 38 years old, it, it would absolutely make Dan Lebatard ask what is going on there.

[Stugotz]

Speaking of balls, the groin strength when you play at French at. What is it? Grolengaros on the clay. Oh my God, I feel like those guys are going to strain their groin every single time.

[Tony]

I'm going to tell you, I play topspin a lot and every time I.

[Izzy Gutierrez]

Got the old one with Carlos Moya.

[Tony]

Really, I did. But now they got a new one that came out last year.

[Izzy Gutierrez]

Yeah, yeah, I saw that. But the Dreamcast one with Jim Courier.

[Tony]

And Carlos Moya, the one that came with.

[Izzy Gutierrez]

Dude, I would skip school to play that.

[Stugotz]

Jeremy, we teased it. So we got to go to your top five situational guy.

[Dan LeBatard]

Oh yeah. Top five situational guys. No L o l eyes in this one.

[Izzy Gutierrez]

Quick correction. I'm confusing it with Virtua Tennis.

[Dan LeBatard]

Number five, Julius Randle. Number four, Mike the Situation. Sorrentino.

[Stugotz]

Never heard his last name before. Also never saw an episode of that show.

[Mike]

What?

[Dan LeBatard]

Number three, Rudy Gobert.

[Stugotz]

Two of the best on the same team.

[Dan LeBatard]

Number two, Christmas. And number one, 60 year old Barry Bonds against right handed pitching.

[Stugotz]

Why wouldn't the Marlins just do that?

[Tony]

Because people forget. They forget how good he was.

[Stugotz]

I mean, I know they already tried it, but now seriously, just do it. 60. 60 year old left is just against right.

[Tony]

Don't look now, but Barry Bond's career is still. Oh no, I did. Oh no.

[Dan LeBatard]

Get the whole thing that way.

[Mike]

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[Izzy Gutierrez]

Yep.

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