The Big Suey: Don't Shoot The Messenger (feat. Tim Kurkjian)

Summary

The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz

The Big Suey: "Don't Shoot The Messenger" (feat. Tim Kurkjian)

Date: January 21, 2026
Location: Elser Hotel, Downtown Miami

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Episode Overview

In this episode of The Big Suey, Dan Le Batard, Stugotz, and the regular crew—joined by baseball writer Tim Kurkjian—riff on sports culture, Hall of Fame voting controversies, MLB’s economic imbalance, shameful car eating habits, and, of course, their signature "looks like" jokes. The episode balances in-depth baseball talk with irreverent humor and good-natured ribbing among the panel.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Viral Paparazzi Moments: William Shatner’s Cereal Adventure

(00:37–02:14)

• Conversation opens with a viral paparazzi photo of 94-year-old William Shatner seen eating a bowl of cereal while driving, prompting debates on whether the photo was staged or authentic.
• Panel dissects the details: Was the cereal Frosted Flakes or Raisin Bran? Did he pour milk before entering the car?
• Memorable moment:
  Dave Dameshek: “That is a man that has eaten cereal in a car many a time.” (02:08)
• Launches a tangent about the superiority of bowls vs. plates, leading to a recurring poll question.
  Dave Dameshek: “Replace plates with bowls. They are a better delivery system than plates for almost everything outside of steak…” (02:31)

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2. Baseball Hall of Fame Voting: Inconsistencies and Sentimentality

(03:48–11:10)

• Greg Cody and Tim Kurkjian discuss their Hall of Fame votes. Both note historically weak ballots, with Tim voting for only 3 players this year: Carlos Beltran, Andruw Jones, and Chase Utley.
• Dan calls out Kurkjian’s inconsistency for changing his position on Andruw Jones after tweeting years ago Jones had “zero shot” at Cooperstown (07:24).
• The crew debates if voters should change their minds, or if a player’s Hall status should be fixed.
  • Tim Kurkjian: “Andrew Jones, other than Willie Mays, is the best defensive center fielder that I’ve ever seen… and he had 435 homers.” (08:24)
  • Dan Le Batard: “You’re either a Hall of Famer or you’re not!” (10:37)
• Kurkjian defends evolving opinions, noting increased appreciation and late ballot “sentimental bumps.”
  • Kurkjian: “Get in the real world and grow up on that. Okay? Andrew Jones did not make the Hall of Fame for seven years. Gradually, the support for him increased. I was part of that gradual support.” (10:53)
• The segment is marked by playful accusations (“You’re sheep, you’re lemming!” – Dan, 11:10) and revisiting old statements for comedic effect.

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3. MLB Economics: Dodgers’ Spending & Looming Work Stoppage

(15:53–17:13)

• With the Dodgers’ payroll expected to top $400 million, the group predicts a possible work stoppage due to widening disparities between large and small market teams.
  • Greg Cody: “Baseball needs to fix this and it is not going to be an easy fix.” (16:22)
• Discussion frames the situation as unsolvable under current MLB structures as a hard salary cap is unlikely.

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4. Biggest Offseason MLB Moves

(24:39–27:01)
Dan asks Tim for the three most significant MLB transactions this offseason:

1. Dylan Cease to the Blue Jays: “They spent $210 million… The Blue Jays are here for the long term.” (25:18)
2. Edwin Díaz to the Dodgers: “Dodgers had a terrible bullpen last year... Now they’ve added a dominant closer.” (25:53)
3. Kyle Tucker to the Dodgers: “He’ll play right field every day… That lineup is loaded just as much as their pitching is loaded.” (26:22)

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5. Sports Looks-Like Carousel & Shoes Indoors Debate

(17:13–22:56)

• The panel takes turns with “looks like” roasts targeting Dave Dameshek, Jonathan Zaslow, NBA referee Ed Malloy, Adam Silver, and others.
• Greg Cody shares his lifelong habit of wearing shoes in the house, fueled by his father’s insistence (18:59), which segues comedically into generational athletic expectations and a tangent about his daughter’s high school basketball prowess.
  Greg Cody: “She hasn’t played basketball in 15 years and never heard of her. My daughter made 54 out of 56 free throws her senior year in high school.” (19:03)

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6. Shameful Car-Eating Habits

(27:01–28:54, 33:25–37:13)

• Panelists admit to eating unconventional foods while driving, including chicken wings (27:33 – Dan), oatmeal (27:53 – Greg), and rotisserie chicken with mashed potatoes (28:54 – Dave).
• Mike Ryan jokes: “Us heavy guys have to be careful about doing this in public.” (33:25)
• Zaslow denies any car-related food shame, but is grilled for his lack of confidence and various broadcasting gaffes throughout the show.

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7. Broadcasting Missteps & Internal Roasting

(34:27–37:13)

• Zaslow’s “minor penalty for leaking confidence” (34:12) becomes a running joke as the group replays and critiques his recent on-air flubs.
• The segment is marked by laughter and camaraderie, illustrating the show’s signature blend of sports talk and self-deprecating humor.
  • Dan Le Batard: “He is seething right now and hurting. Speaking of seething…” (37:16)
  • Mike Ryan: “He didn’t shave like a good off duty mime.”

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8. Baker Mayfield vs. Kevin Stefanski: AFC North Grievances

(37:16–42:33)

• Baker Mayfield calls out former Browns coach Kevin Stefanski for cutting him “like a piece of garbage” and vows “can’t wait to see you twice a year” as their rivalry picks up in new settings.
  • Dan Le Batard: “Baker Mayfield being the best and the most outspoken quarterback in that division isn’t much of a tribute...” (38:16)
  • Discussion reflects on Mayfield’s tenure, the Browns’ decision to pay Deshaun Watson, and “what could have been” for Cleveland.
  • Dave Dameshek: “Failed is so close. What the Browns did was bailed on Baker Mayfield.” (39:20)
• Panel agrees that the real story is the burgeoning rivalry and pettiness, which feeds into what “sports needs more of.”

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9. Quick Hits & Final Laughs

(42:33–End)

• More “looks like” jokes, especially at Zaslow’s expense (off-duty mime, arcade Pac-Man stacker).
• Continued gags about Zaslow’s speaking mishaps and his reactions, keeping the mood light.
• Closing out with laughter, group camaraderie, and a reminder that humor and relationship quirks are as central to the show as sports analysis.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Dave Dameshek (on bowl vs. plate):
  “They are a better delivery system than plates for almost everything outside of steak… Bowls over plates. Thank you.” (02:31)

• Tim Kurkjian (justifying his Hall of Fame vote switch):
  “Andrew Jones did not make the Hall of Fame for seven years. Gradually, the support for him increased. I was part of that gradual support.” (10:53)

• Dan Le Batard (on Hall of Fame consistency):
  “You’re either a Hall of Famer or you’re not!” (10:37)

• Greg Cody (on daughter’s sports tape):
  “I have a four minute video that all I have to do is press a button and I can watch a video of my daughter’s senior year in high school. Is that ridiculous? Am I being stupid about that too?” (20:16)

• Dave Dameshek (on the Browns):
  “Failed is so close. What the Browns did was bailed on Baker Mayfield.” (39:20)

• Mike Ryan (on Zaslow):
  “He didn’t shave like a good off duty mime.” (35:34)

• Tim Kurkjian (philosophical Hall of Fame note):
  “There are different grades and levels of Hall of Famers.” (09:33)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Viral William Shatner photo & cereal debate: 00:37–02:14
• Hall of Fame voting controversy: 03:48–11:10
• Dodgers payroll & MLB labor unrest: 15:53–17:13
• “Looks like” segment & shoes indoors: 17:13–22:56
• Biggest MLB transactions: 24:39–27:01
• Shameful car eating confessions: 27:01–28:54, 33:25–37:13
• Baker Mayfield vs. Stefanski discussion: 37:16–42:33

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Style and Tone

The episode is marked by quick wit, friendly jabs, and the playful undermining of each other’s seriousness—particularly around Hall of Fame voting, baseball traditions, and broadcasting miscues. Tim Kurkjian’s thoughtful explanations are balanced by Dan’s provocations, Greg Cody’s dad tales, and the group’s running jokes.

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Conclusion

This installment of Big Suey is a classic mashup of sports analysis, pop culture oddities, and inside-joke banter. Whether you’re in it for genuine MLB insight, legendary “looks like” riffs, or just to enjoy Zaslow getting roasted, this episode is a microcosm of why Dan Le Batard’s crew remains a unique and endearing voice in sports podcasting.

Transcript

[Dan Le Batard]

Welcome to the Big Sui, presented by DraftKings. Why are you listening to this show, the podcast that seems very similar to the other Dan LeBatard podcast?

[Tim Kirkjian]

I'm sorry.

[Jonathan Zaslow]

I'm not going to apologize for that.

[Dan Le Batard]

In fact, the only difference seems to be this imaging. I have been tempted in restaurants just walking past tables to grab somebody's fries that if they're just there. That hasn't happened to you guys.

[Adrian Wojnarowski]

I've done it.

[Dan Le Batard]

And now here's the marching man to Nowhere Fat Face and the Habitual Liar.

[Jonathan Zaslow]

This episode of the Dan Lebatard show is presented by DraftKings. DraftKings. The Crown is yours, Dan.

[Lucy]

I have a new favorite paparazzi photo ever. It was. It was Nicole Kidman after her divorce with Tom Cruise was finalized, where she's, like, so free in the air. You know what I'm talking about? We have a new one. William Shatner was caught driving with a bowl of cereal.

[Tim Kirkjian]

He eating what?

[Lucy]

Yeah.

[Jonathan Zaslow]

Is he driving?

[Lucy]

He's driving. He's at a red light there. My Ryan thinks it's like a promo because he thinks it's Frosted Flakes, but I don't even know if that's frosted.

[Dave Dameshek]

Let me look. Hold on.

[Greg Cody]

That could be like.

[Lucy]

Like a raisin.

[Jonathan Zaslow]

That's raisin brand.

[Lucy]

You can't, like, really tell exactly what. That's way off. So I don't know if this is, like, PR or not, but I do know that even if it was or was not pr. He got a bowl of cereal. He put the cereal in. He put milk, and then he went for a drive, and then he had to put.

[Greg Cody]

It looks great.

[Dave Dameshek]

He's like, o. Frosted Flakes glisten more shops at the same hat store as Michael Lombardi.

[Mike Ryan]

94 years old, driving is already a dicey problem.

[Jonathan Zaslow]

He looks awesome for 94.

[Mike Ryan]

I think this is a setup. I don't know for what. Maybe he's got some kind of project coming out, but this seems like a stage.

[Dave Dameshek]

He watched Always Sunny. He watched Always Sunny. And he got the idea and went, yep, that's. That's the way to do things.

[Jonathan Zaslow]

I think Lucy's right. The best part of this is not that he's eating while. Or even eating something out of a bowl or while driving.

[Mike Ryan]

He.

[Jonathan Zaslow]

You have to figure he poured the milk in it before getting into the car because you're not bringing, you know, a gallon of milk in the car.

[Dave Dameshek]

He is eating that like a vet, though.

[Jonathan Zaslow]

That is bowl to chin.

[Dave Dameshek]

The Gap there.

[Dan Le Batard]

There's no Gap.

[Tim Kirkjian]

He is not.

[Jonathan Zaslow]

But it's like milk.

[Dave Dameshek]

There's zero spillage there. If there is spillage, it goes right back in the bowl. That is a man that has eaten cereal in a car many a time. Right.

[Lucy]

I'm so sorry to do this to our video team, but have you all seen the video of Michael Rappaport eating on Traders? He puts the whole plate in his mouth and just like it in. It's the craziest thing I've ever seen. Like, I didn't know humans ate like that.

[Jonathan Zaslow]

It's nuts.

[Dave Dameshek]

About a decade ago, because as society's greatest empath, I don't make New Year's resolutions selfishly just for myself. I make them for all of society. And about a decade ago, my New Year's resolution for all of us was to replace plates with bowls. They are a better delivery system than plates for almost everything outside of state. You know, like, you want to be able to cut the steak, but outside of that, bowls over plates. Thank you.

[Dan Le Batard]

Put it on the poll. Should we replace bowls with plates? And is Danishek society's greatest empath? Put those both on the poll. I see the delightful Tim Kirkjin has arrived. This always makes us and the listeners and the viewers happy.

[Dave Dameshek]

How do you eat, Tim? What do you prefer, bowl or plate?

[Greg Cody]

I'll take a bowl, just so it stays in the bowl. I made dinner last night and I put it in a bowl when most people would put it on a plate. Either way is good with me. I eat for fuel, not much more than that.

[Tim Kirkjian]

I'm the opposite. I eat soup out of a plate. I don't get much soup. Thanks, Tim.

[Dan Le Batard]

Hi, Greg.

[Tim Kirkjian]

How you doing? Good.

[Greg Cody]

Yeah.

[Tim Kirkjian]

Good talking to you. Can I start off with a question for Tim? The hall of Fame vote happens, right? What a bad ballot. Two guys, Beltran and Andrew Jones, get in. All of the first ballot guys got like 0.5% except Cole Hamels. What were your overall thoughts about the. The election?

[Greg Cody]

Yeah, well, it wasn't a bad ballot, but it was. I usually vote for 10 guys for the hall of Fame, and there were a couple years there that if I had had 15, 16, 17 votes, which I don't because 10 is the maximum, I would have voted for 17 guys. Yeah, well, Tim, this year. This year I voted for three. I'm not proud of that, but I voted for Carlos Beltran, Andrew Jones and Chase Utley and the rest. You know, I had trouble leaving Dustin Pedroia off and Felix Hernandez and people like that because I think those guys have a Hall of Fame case. But for. I guess I'm a big hall guy. To only vote for three guys maybe speaks to what the ballot looked like this year. And you're right, the first timers was not a strong group of first timers. I was surprised. Cole Hamel's. I came close to voting, voting for him, but he got 25% of the vote, which is pretty darn good for a first time on the ballot. But you're right, Greg. I've seen way, way, way stronger ballots than this one.

[Tim Kirkjian]

Yeah. And when I say it was a weak ballot, I agree with you. Normally you vote for 10. I think I voted for five or six. But Cole Hamels, I get criticized as a voter for holding sacrosanct. The first ballot guy. I'm never going to vote for a guy his first year on the ballot unless I really think he deserves.

[Dan Le Batard]

I have another criticism for you today. You want people how you voted because you, you mentioned Andrew Jones.

[Tim Kirkjian]

Yeah.

[Dan Le Batard]

You're really inconsistent voter. I don't think you remember how you voted previously.

[Tim Kirkjian]

Yeah, I didn't vote for Andrew Jones for years, like, and I was in the majority for that.

[Dan Le Batard]

Well, what the hell changed?

[Tim Kirkjian]

What, what changed is that some guys, an eighth year guy, some guys are elite hall of Famers, and some guys are borderline last year.

[Dan Le Batard]

Why this year and why not next year? Like, what are you doing, Andrew?

[Dave Dameshek]

Let's create tears for the hall of Fame then if we're, if we're going to allow people in, if we're going reconsider them 15 years later.

[Tim Kirkjian]

Okay. All I can tell you is I'm in the majority here because the majority went eight years without voting for Andrew Jones. And then gradually over time, the appreciation for him increased, the appreciation for, for his defense, for what have you. But he's a borderline hall of Famer. That doesn't.

[Dan Le Batard]

I will tell you why you're not in the majority. None of those voters did what you did socially when you said why you weren't voting for Andrew Jones five years ago.

[Jonathan Zaslow]

So short question. Well, I mean, I'll just, I'll just make a statement. I feel like either guy's a Hall of Famer or he's not a Hall of Famer. Okay, there's that. But. But there is someone called, I'll give him the credit. Someone called Reed Stewart, great follower of yours on Twitter.

[Dave Dameshek]

Okay.

[Jonathan Zaslow]

Loves you, apparently Reed Stewart, but he dug up an old toy deers.

[Dave Dameshek]

All right.

[Jonathan Zaslow]

And it's with an old ballot of yours from five years ago and on your ballots you explained. Appreciate all of your comments on my whole ballots, but one thing jumps out. You Andrew Jones folks are delusional. Seriously, good player. Hall not close. Zero shot at Cooperstown.

[Tim Kirkjian]

No.

[Jonathan Zaslow]

Don't shoot the messenger, ok?

[Dave Dameshek]

Oh, no.

[Tim Kirkjian]

Agree that that tweet does not age well. But I also quote the famous Zaslow who just recently on this air said, my opinion changed.

[Jonathan Zaslow]

Okay, but my opinion changed with more body of work. You didn't have any more body of work, Tim.

[Dan Le Batard]

Is that offensive what you just saw? I think Greg Cody should have his vote revok like they did to me.

[Greg Cody]

No. Now let me attempt to explain one reason why some guys just get on.

[Dave Dameshek]

You start.

[Greg Cody]

They start getting votes. Because some years there are, as I've said, 15 guys on the ballot, and five of them I believe are hall of Famers, but you can't vote for them. So because there's not enough room in a year like this, when there is plenty of room in my mind for a player to move up on a. That's. That's how you get left off one year and put on the next. Because there is room or there is not room with Andrew Jones Again, 400 homers and 10 Gold Gloves, you know, that's Mays, Griffey, Mike Schmidt, Andrew Jones. That's it. That's. It's a pretty short list. And again, I'm almost 70 and I saw Willie Mays play. And Andrew Jones, other than Willie Mays, is the best defensive center fielder that I've ever seen. When I was at si, I wrote a story on the most difficult play at each position. Like when you charge a bunch and have to barehanded at third base, who's the best at that? Well, I took center field and I said, the hardest play for a center fielder is the ball hit directly over his head. And when I started looking around and talking to players about who's the best at this, I brought up Ken Griffey Jr. To several of the San Diego Padres. And they. They literally laughed at me and said, tim, there is nobody who's been better at going back on a ball over his head in center field than Andrew Jones. Now, I maintain Willie Mays was better, but Andrew Jones is that good. And when he's the second best defensive center fielder I've ever seen, and he had 435 homers, that's why I voted for him.

[Tim Kirkjian]

I would. I would add that there are gradations of hall of Famers, and it's not a mystery or a crime when a guy takes eight years to get in it Took Beltran four years to get in. King Felix took a big spike in voting this year, which suggests he's going to get in. But again, if you make it your first year, you're an elite hall of Famer. If you make it your eighth year, you're a borderline hall of Famer. They're all in Cooperstown, but there are different grades and levels of hall of Famers.

[Dave Dameshek]

Are you done tweeting that? A guy's 0% though you're probably going to learn that lesson.

[Tim Kirkjian]

Okay, based on the electorate, then he seemed to have.

[Dave Dameshek]

You're not going to say, all right.

[Dan Le Batard]

You'Re going to double down.

[Mike Ryan]

No, but you shut the messenger.

[Tim Kirkjian]

I said based on the electorate, then he had zero chance, which he did. I did not expect him.

[Dan Le Batard]

You're going to defend what you did?

[Tim Kirkjian]

Okay, Some and Tim will agree with me on this. In the. In the 8th, 9th, 10th year, sometimes you get a bump. You get a sentimental bump because voters realize this is your last chance. Or you're coming up your.

[Dan Le Batard]

No, you're either a Hall of Famer, you're not great.

[Tim Kirkjian]

Well, you know that Maybe sentimental. Maybe that's why they stripped your vote from you.

[Dan Le Batard]

They should strip yours. Like, I can't believe what he just did. Like what? He just read Zero Chance on Andrew Jones and five years later, when he's played no baseball games, now he's a Hall of Fame.

[Tim Kirkjian]

Okay, so, like, I'm the first voter who has changed his mind about a player. Get in the real world and grow up on that. Okay? Andrew Jones did not make the hall of Fame for seven years. Gradually, the support for him increased. I was part of that gradual support.

[Dan Le Batard]

You're sheep, you're lemming.

[Dave Dameshek]

You're not electing a Pope. It's whether or not you're in the hall of Fame. Are you worthy of it when your name comes up or not? Me and Zazz park our cars in the same garage.

[Dan Le Batard]

Tim put it on the poll at Lebatard show. Dujamshek and Zaz park their cars in the same garage. And does Tim. Ed Malloy, NBA referee Ed Malloy looked like the guy who brushes his teeth in the company bathroom. He absolutely does. Like, that is unbelievable how much he looks like that. Does Adam Silver. Tim, look like a knitting needle? Does Adam Silver look like a magician's wand? Does Adam Silver, when he's standing next to Larry Bird, do they look like the couple in the famous painting American Gothic? The zoom kills us on the looks like segment because his laugh. We'll Do a phone hit next time. It doesn't make a sound when he's laughing.

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[Greg Cody]

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[Dan Le Batard]

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[Dave Dameshek]

I was probably like that kind of thing.

[Dan Le Batard]

Something.

[Tim Kirkjian]

Okay, no, the home run call was that kind of swing, that kind of thing.

[Mike Ryan]

STS oh, it's a good call.

[Tim Kirkjian]

Thank you. And plus, it doesn't matter who's hitting it. Like you're not tailoring it to a particular name. You know, all that jazz, you know, you don't got to do that. You just, oh, that would be a great call. Swing.

[Greg Cody]

That kind of thing.

[Dan Le Batard]

This is the D?

[Jonathan Zaslow]

Ler show with the St.

[Dan Le Batard]

Tim. There are a lot of people pissed off about Kyle Tucker to the Dodgers. And now the the Athletic is reporting that there's 100% gonna be a work stoppage because of what has happened with the Dodgers and payroll. They're gonna have a payroll over 400 million in 2026. Only three other teams are going to be over 300 million. The Marlins and the Rays project under 100 million. What are your thoughts there?

[Greg Cody]

I think there's going to be a work stoppage also, although I pray all the time that that doesn't happen. I'm not blaming all of this on the Dodgers because the Dodgers do an exceptional job of drafting and developing. And when they get a player from another team, he routinely gets better when he comes to the Dodgers. But there's no doubt there are major issues in disparity among the small market teams and the big market teams. And it's not going to be solved by a salary cap because there's just no way the players are going to allow that to happen. So are the Dodgers a part of the problem? Of course they are. But so are the Mets and the Yankees and a bunch of other teams. And baseball needs to fix this and it is not going to be an easy fix.

[Dan Le Batard]

Does Dave Dameshek look like a realtor that would buy a billboard that reads License to sell while posing like James Bond.

[Greg Cody]

Now, I'm sorry, fellas.

[Tim Kirkjian]

Who is.

[Greg Cody]

Who is Dave Damacek? Am I supposed to know?

[Tim Kirkjian]

Tim Kirkjin doesn't know.

[Greg Cody]

Who the hell is Dave Danishek?

[Jonathan Zaslow]

I'm over the moon.

[Dan Le Batard]

That's okay. If you didn't know that one, you might not know this one either. Does Jonathan Zaslow look like your big toe after hitting it on the corner of the be?

[Jonathan Zaslow]

Why is that the one he laughs the hardest?

[Dan Le Batard]

That does Jonathan.

[Jonathan Zaslow]

He knows, but he doesn't know. Damn machete.

[Greg Cody]

I'm sorry. That is so insulting. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I didn't know that. By the way, none of this matters. But I. I wear shoes. 24. Except for when I go to bed and get in the shower. I wear shoes and socks in the house, period. Because my father, who was a very smart man, used to tell us, you have a game tonight. Don't break your big to smashing it up against the couch. Put your shoes on. So I on. They're on all the time. And now when I go into my daughter's house, I have to take off my shoes and put on house shoes that they bought me for Christmas because those house shoes have not been outside bringing dirt into the house. So now I can still keep my shoes on at my daughter's house, but they're a special kind of shoe that I have to wear. Shoes that have never been worn outside. Am I. Am I being wrong about this? That I really enjoy having shoes on my feet for protection and for warmth.

[Jonathan Zaslow]

I just want to know how many times your father banged his toe and couldn't play in a game that night.

[Tim Kirkjian]

Seriously.

[Greg Cody]

My dad was a good player, and my two older brothers were great college baseball players. And my dad was just not going to allow one of his three boys to get hurt doing something stupid and miss a game. Game that night. I don't think my dad ever missed a game. That wasn't the point. He didn't want it to happen. And I used to tell my daughter, who was a great high school basketball player, put your shoes on. You have a game tonight. I used to tell her that all the time. I told her that the other day. She's 34 years old. She hasn't played basketball in 15 years and never heard of her. My daughter made 54 out of 56 free throws her senior year in high school. 54, 56. That's 96.5. And get this. I'm so terrible technology, but I Went to a video editor the other day who took the four minute tape of my daughter's senior year in high school, her basketball tape. And he put it on my phone. So now in my photos, I have a four minute video that all I have to do is press a button and I can watch a video of my daughter's senior year in high school. Is that ridiculous? Am I being stupid about that, too?

[Tim Kirkjian]

Does it bring you to tears? And I'm not being facetious. Yeah, it does.

[Dave Dameshek]

Greg just voted her into the hall of Fame.

[Tim Kirkjian]

Yes, I did. Thank you.

[Greg Cody]

And my grandson is now 5, and he went to basketball the other day for the first time. Five years old. He was four when he went the first time. He just turned five. And he was clearly the best player there. And his dad said, boy, you have the best shooting form, Karkar, of anybody there. And he said, wow, I learned it from mommy. And that's because he watched the tape that I made of mommy senior year with the perfect follow through and the perfect finish. Talk about holding the finish. It was great. And my daughter's like 3ft tall and she made 54 out of 56, so please don't tell me NBA players can't shoot free throws. If you work at it, you can.

[Jonathan Zaslow]

How about that?

[Dan Le Batard]

Does Jonathan Zaslow look like. He says, oh, Spaghettio. When he sees someone pulled over.

[Jonathan Zaslow]

He loves mine.

[Dan Le Batard]

Well, this one's a good one. Does Jonathan Zaslow look like an off duty mime? That one's exceptional. I've got some. I've got a handful of Kurt Signettis for you. Are you ready for some Kurt Signetti's? Does he look like the dad who never says I love you? Does he look like your accountant who, unbeknownst to you, is in the middle of a crippling divorce?

[Greg Cody]

Yesterday, no one ever tweets at me, ever. Which is fine. And then yesterday I looked on there to, like, 50 tweets sent to me because of you put it out there that so and so looks like so and so. It was hilarious.

[Dan Le Batard]

Does Kurt Signetti look like the uncle who comes to your house for Thanksgiving and before even saying hello, says your doorknobs loose.

[Greg Cody]

I have one of my own, which I think I've told you before, that some guy tweeted at me several years ago. Tim Kirchen looks like what Steve Carell is going to look like when he gets really, really old.

[Tim Kirkjian]

That's not bad.

[Greg Cody]

I looked it up. Steve Carell is only six years younger than me. I look like he's gonna look like when he gets not really old. Really, really old.

[Dan Le Batard]

Does Fernando Mendoza look like he makes his animal crackers fight each other before he eats them? This is a good one. Does Fernando Mendoza look like the cashier in a 1960s McDonald's poster? One is exceptional. I saw. I saw that. Dave Dombrowski said it was a gut punch, Tim, to see Bichette go to the Mets and then started talking a lot about not feeling like they had a deal done because the deal's never done until it's done. But I was surprised to hear Dombrowski feel, I guess, a little bit betrayed. What did you make of those comments and that transaction?

[Greg Cody]

Yeah, very unlike Dave Dombrowski to say something like that because he usually gets whoever he wants because he's really good at this and. But I happen to think Boba Shet is a really, really good hitter still. I mean, he came back last year. He didn't play from September 6th until the world Series and then was a tough out in the World Series. He's going to have a great year for the Mets. He's going to play third base. He could play. He's not going to play shortstop. Obviously he can play third base. He's going to be a really good player for them. And yes, the Phillies could have really used him to play, you know, the outfield or somewhere in the infield when. Third base, when they need some help. So, yes, I think it. I thought he was going to the Phillies, but he's really going to help the Mets. And I'm still surprised that Dave Dombrowski would basically acknowledge I didn't get somebody because he usually gets his man from the bottom up.

[Dan Le Batard]

3, 2, 1. Give me the off season's biggest transactions. I will tell the people. I'll give you a minute to think about this. 3, 2, 1. But the host, he's the host of Is this a great game or what? He does the podcast with his son Jeff. It's a passion project. It's a project of great love. I urge you not just for baseball, but for family. I urge you to subscribe to Is this a great game or what that he does with his son Jeff? Tim Kirkjin. If not for Ron McGill, he'd be by consensus the most popular guest who's ever been on this show. The biggest three transactions, starting with number three this off season. Go ahead, Tim.

[Greg Cody]

Well, I think Dylan Cease going to the Blue jays is number three because it's just another. And they spent $210 million for him. It's just Another reminder of this is where the Blue Jays, the best team in the American League, they have the fifth highest payroll when they went to the World Series, they recognize that things are really changing here in Toronto. So they've added a bunch of people. And to add another star player, a pitcher with a great arm, I think is a sign that the Blue Jays are here for the long term. They got a taste of what it's like to be in the World Series and what it did to their ballpark, their fan base. So that would be. That would be number three for me. Number two would be, well, let's see. Kyle Tucker has to be number one. But let me see number two. The Dodgers had a chance. Dodgers had a terrible bullpen last year, and they won the World Series. And then they went out and got Edwin Diaz, the closer for the Mets, who was a free agent. They only had to pay him only $69 million. So they won the World Series in 2024 without a starting. They won the World Series in 2025 without a bullpen. Now they've added a dominant closer. So now their pitching is just ridiculously good. And now their lineup is ridiculously good because Kyle Tucker, who was the best player on the market, signed with the Dodgers. He'll play right field every day. And that lineup is loaded just as much as their pitching is loaded.

[Dan Le Batard]

Tim, we thank you for your time. We love seeing you. I will tell the people again to listen and subscribe to Tim and Jeff Kirkchin's pod. Is this a great game or what? What is the strangest thing you've eaten in your car? We had the bowl of cereal. What would you identify as the strangest thing? I go, chicken wings. I've eaten chicken wings in the car. And that's my greatest shame. And I had worry while I was eating them. Someone's gonna take a picture of this and I'm not gonna be able to explain it. That I couldn't wait to get the chicken wings.

[Greg Cody]

Yeah, I am always in a hurry, so sometimes I eat while I'm driving because I don't have time to stop and sit and eat. So I've eaten oatmeal many, many times in. In a car many times. Now it's pretty thick, so it's not like it's going to be poor falling out of the bowl. It's. It's a thick oatmeal, but I've eaten oatmeal in the car many times.

[Dan Le Batard]

Does Kurt Warner look like the villain in a Christmas movie? Who wants to take over the North Pole and make the elves pawns in his capitalist scheme.

[Greg Cody]

Jeff Van Gundy looks like he works in an ice cream parlor.

[Dan Le Batard]

Soda jerk from the 60s. Also the queen of hearts. Tim, good seeing you. Thank you. Nice. Always nice seeing you. Always a pleasure. Do you guys believe that Ron McGill looks like your recently divorced mom's first date? Who, when you answer the door, is vigorously chewing his gum and combing his hair with his palm comb as he leans ever so slightly back to gander at the size of the home while never once acknowledging you with his eyes. And he's coming to bleep like he's. He's. He's there. He's there to. To make love to your mom. What is the strangest thing you guys have eaten in the car? Shameful admissions only. Do we not have any strange car eaters?

[Dave Dameshek]

Rotisserie chicken.

[Mike Ryan]

What?

[Dave Dameshek]

And I'll dip it into the side of mashed potatoes with my free money.

[Dan Le Batard]

It.

[Mike Ryan]

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[Adrian Wojnarowski]

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[Tim Kirkjian]

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[Greg Cody]

Batar I feel like we need to normalize saying the scientific terms for organs on the air. Like if someone yes, you know what? If someone takes a foul ball to the penis, we should just say he took a foul ball to the penis. Say it stugats that free kick.

[Tim Kirkjian]

Hit him right in the cock. A doodle Doo.

[Jonathan Zaslow]

This is the Dan Levatar show with the stugats.

[Dan Le Batard]

William Shatner, I should say. You guys say he shouldn't be driving. He still not only tours, but drives across the country while touring does so at 2am94. He might be 95 now because the last time I spoke to him, we did a South beach session. Yeah, he does look amazing. His hair too. Yeah, he. He's hat store was 94. Is he now 94?

[Dave Dameshek]

Birthday is March 22, 1931.

[Tim Kirkjian]

Wow.

[Dan Le Batard]

Zaslo, do you have any shameful eating strange eating things? Chris, are you careful about this? Because us. Us heavy guys have to be careful about doing this in public.

[Jonathan Zaslow]

I don't think strange for me, but like, oh, boy.

[Mike Ryan]

What's your excuse this week?

[Dave Dameshek]

I just have every fast food place you can think of. Like, nothing that would be odd. I'm trying to think of odd items. Yeah, I just. More fast food than you would think. Like, however much you're thinking more. I did the other day get one of those ice cream, like an ice cream from somewhere. And it was like one of those ones with a small bowl and it goes really tall. And I'm like, I should eat this before. But I soft serve. It was soft serve, but I was.

[Jonathan Zaslow]

Like, you know what?

[Dave Dameshek]

I'm gonna eat it in the car. And that was a mistake.

[Dan Le Batard]

Zaslow, you did not finish your thought.

[Jonathan Zaslow]

I don't eat in the car.

[Dan Le Batard]

No, wait a minute. You didn't finish the thought because you just. You bailed. You were leaking so much confidence. Nothing to add that you bailed. Ye minor penalty. 2 minutes for leaking confidence.

[Mike Ryan]

Chris.

[Dan Le Batard]

Chris.

[Mike Ryan]

I needed that lab dude.

[Dan Le Batard]

He's had a bad week. He's had a bad week. Go ahead and find for me his most shameful butchering of the broadcasting language that we have from the last week. Which is better here? Damage Sheik. As someone who doesn't mind a stammer with his yammer, which is the worst of these crimes as Low has committed as a broadcast?

[Jonathan Zaslow]

The packers win or the bear lose? Bears lose, lose.

[Dan Le Batard]

And again, reminder that it was the reverse of that. It was. Did the Bears win or the packers lose?

[Jonathan Zaslow]

Packers winner. The Bear lose. Bears lose.

[Dan Le Batard]

This delight. So which one's better though? That one or this one?

[Jonathan Zaslow]

You want to know how that. What were the kids doing?

[Dave Dameshek]

Well, that would be your world champion, except that Mike Ryan's. Oh, boy.

[Jonathan Zaslow]

At the end of it, I mean.

[Dan Le Batard]

I think we've got a recent nominee.

[Jonathan Zaslow]

Didn't you want to know what happened? How that kid's doing.

[Dan Le Batard]

Let's cut up what just happened to Zaslo because he's wearing it on his face today like he's.

[Mike Ryan]

He didn't shave like a good off duty mime.

[Dan Le Batard]

That's a great one. Like there are a number of great ones there. But he absolutely looks like a mime.

[Tim Kirkjian]

He does.

[Dan Le Batard]

Out of work, hard times. Like he's not a mime who's presently working. He's a failed mime. It's not just off duty. It's. It's not a successful mime. It's a mime who's gotten 17 cents his last four outing.

[Dave Dameshek]

Why isn't he in there practicing his craft and being in a glass cage?

[Tim Kirkjian]

Yeah, go ahead, Zaz, practice.

[Dan Le Batard]

So good. Look how happy Greg Cody is.

[Tim Kirkjian]

I had to prevent myself from snorting just then. I'm so happy.

[Dan Le Batard]

Does Jonathan Zaslow look like the guy at an arcade who puts a stack of quarters on the Pac man game to send a message to any kids that he's going to be there for a while? Look how miserable.

[Mike Ryan]

Sad says honestly turn my mood around.

[Tim Kirkjian]

My face hurts from smiling so much.

[Dan Le Batard]

I mean, he's seething and he's hurt and he's miming and. And Chris Cody is desperately surging as fast as he can to try and find the latest mistakes, which he just bailed after the question. He didn't. He just slumped in his chair, stopped talking and just failed. Admitted the failure and just sank into his own sewage.

[Jonathan Zaslow]

I don't think. Strange. Strange for me.

[Tim Kirkjian]

Easy for him to say.

[Dan Le Batard]

He's a rising star at ESPN Radio, getting more and more opportunities to broadcast.

[Jonathan Zaslow]

Well, I don't think straight.

[Dan Le Batard]

Strange for me, he is seething right now and hurting. Speaking of seething, I saw that Baker Mayfield has gotten into the news stream here by going after Kevin Stefanski for dumping him like a quote, piece of garbage and saying, can't wait to see you twice a year. Coach that division, man, shouldn't be threatening anybody like that. It can only threaten other teams in the division because that's the minor leagues. That division is the minor leagues. And Baker Mayfield being the best and the outspoken, the most outspoken of the quarterbacks in that division isn't much of a tribute. But I do understand why Baker Mayfield feels the way that he does. Remember talking about this back when Mike still cared about the Browns? He physically tried so hard to lift up the Odell Beckham Browns, the only Browns team in the last 30 years to have any expectations, that he damn near wrecked his career trying to physically play through shit for that coach. And so I understand why he is hurt by Stefanski. But do you guys remember where this started? Because this is just a tweet from somebody named Orlando Ledbetter, a reporter for the Atlanta Journal Constitution. Are they still printing? See Atlanta Journal Constitution. Still printing. I thought they went out of business. Falcons Kevin Stefanski had a dumpster fire at quarterback in Cleveland. Baker Mayfield and Deshaun Watson failed, which started a chain reaction to 11 other starters. Shador Sanders closed out last season with seven starts, and Baker says failed is quite the reach, pal. Still waiting on a text or call from Stefanski after I got shipped off like a piece of garbage. Can't wait to see you twice a year, coach.

[Tim Kirkjian]

That's amazing if that's true. And why wouldn't it be? Because it can be vetted if that's true, that they fired him, they traded or released Baker Mayfield without the head coach saying goodbye or explaining it or telling him first.

[Mike Ryan]

That's.

[Tim Kirkjian]

That's pretty outrageous.

[Jonathan Zaslow]

Yeah.

[Dave Dameshek]

Failed is so close. What the Browns did was bailed on Baker Mayfield. They had no. You know, this is a guy who beat the Pittsburgh Steelers in Pittsburgh in a playoff game and then had a bum shoulder. And everyone knew it in the organization and out, and they decided they added it all up. Not good enough. We have to go and pay DeSean Watson $230 million on purpose. And by the way, it's not just that they traded away Baker Mayfield. As I always will point out with this, they also gave away a lot of draft picks that would have turned into people who play football, presumably at a high end. And that Browns roster would be mighty right now if they could just undo the desean Watson thing and just retain Baker Mayfield.

[Mike Ryan]

Baker was not a failure. When you consider where the Browns were before Baker arrived. You mentioned the win at Pittsburgh, a win that goes under Kevin Stefanski's record, even though he had Covid and was not actually able to be there.

[Dave Dameshek]

In his literal basement.

[Mike Ryan]

In his literal basement, Baker kind of occupies this Jimmy Butler zone where everyone just kind of understands this is the fuel that that undersized guy needs to get his game to the level that it is. So none of this stuff really sticks to him. It's kind of crazy, and I'm here for it. That's awesome that sports has this.

[Dan Le Batard]

So Baker saying, can't wait to see you twice a year, coach. I can wait to watch all of the games being played in that division. I don't want to watch anything being done in that division by anyone.

[Dave Dameshek]

Agree. It's kind of like consuming professional wrestling for me. I don't need to see the match. What I want is the pregame chat that this heat is great for football. This is what sports needs more of actual hatred and rivalry and all the rest of it.

[Dan Le Batard]

Is Atlanta supposed to be any good? Like, I keep expecting, Kyle Pitts was better this year, but I thought Kyle Pitts was going to be a dominant player. And I don't know if Michael Penck is going to be healthy. I don't know what Atlanta has. I don't know why Stefanski would be rehired. Honestly, I don't know really why he would be Coach of the year.

[Mike Ryan]

He's one coach of the year twice. I rate Kevin Stefanski. I really like him from my time being a Cleveland Browns fan. I think he showed you in that season that Baker won any kind of.

[Jonathan Zaslow]

Winning, including that you get credit.

[Mike Ryan]

And then he made the playoffs with Joe Flacco at quarterback. The Browns were a disaster before Kevin Stefanski arrived. He won two Coaches of the Years with Cleveland. He runs a really good offense. I think he's going to be successful. I genuinely wish him the best, too. I'm excited to see him actually coaching with a new organization to prove that he still has the goods. And I'm super pumped to watch Baker play him twice.

[Jonathan Zaslow]

I'm sorry, Dave. I think Dan's right, Right. About Atlanta. I feel like every year we talk about how talented Atlanta is.

[Tim Kirkjian]

Yeah. Well, Penix, though, hadn't been around a long.

[Dan Le Batard]

Oh, golly.

[Tim Kirkjian]

Penx hasn't been around long enough to write him off yet. Right. Like, we're still thinking he might be.

[Dave Dameshek]

Pull a little further back from the.

[Tim Kirkjian]

Mic if you can.

[Dan Le Batard]

So, yeah, so you. You were close to the mic when clearing your throat.

[Jonathan Zaslow]

But then as he made the good.

[Dave Dameshek]

Point, he's like, you know, as. As I really make this.

[Dan Le Batard]

It's really strange.

[Tim Kirkjian]

No, I'm trying to be a natural man here. When I'm making a point, I lean back for emphasis. It just doesn't happen to work when you're involved with a microphone.

[Dave Dameshek]

I think that you have to regard Kevin Stefanski's time in Cleveland like you do Robert De Niro and Rocky and Bullwinkle. You can't hold it against him for the larger production being a garbage.

[Dan Le Batard]

I mean, the last 10 years of de Niro, you had any number of selections you could have gone to. Of the last 10 years of de Niro's work, you went rock and Bullwinkle.

[Dave Dameshek]

That's the only One I had access to.

[Dan Le Batard]

Greg, you are delighting in Zaslow's failures here and just joshing. And Zaslow, I do believe, is a bit mortified by your difficulties with just speaking into the microphone right between the two of you. You guys delighting in each other's miseries. Look, let's tickle Greg Cody with a little more Zaz shout to out shallow.

[Ron McGill]

Wait.

[Jonathan Zaslow]

I don't think Strange for me, but like, oh boy, you doctored that.

[Dan Le Batard]

That's not.

[Jonathan Zaslow]

That's definitely not how I said it. I don't think. Strange for me, but like, oh boy.

[Tim Kirkjian]

Yeah, that's what I heard.

[Jonathan Zaslow]

I don't.

[Greg Cody]

I don't believe.

[Tim Kirkjian]

Yeah, no, that was it.

[Jonathan Zaslow]

That's edited.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah, that's not edited.

[Jonathan Zaslow]

And packers winner. The bear lose. Bears lose.

[Dan Le Batard]

I believe that that is also a little a tinge, an undercurrent of pity from Mike Ryan with the oh boy.

[Jonathan Zaslow]

I don't think stream strange for me, but like, oh boy, it is definitely not pity. He is so.

[Dave Dameshek]

He.

[Jonathan Zaslow]

He loves that I did that. He loves calling me out in the post show meeting because that he says wrote it down. Dan comes and praises all of us, says we did a great show. And then Mike says, I got one more thing to add. Zazlow be better tomorrow.

[Mike Ryan]

That was a really bad sequence.

[Jonathan Zaslow]

And I don't think strange. Strange for me, but like, oh boy.

[Mike Ryan]

Happy new year, everybody. 2026 is already getting off to an incredible start. Because you want to know how I rang in the new year? It was with a bunch of friends in a Dallas hotel lobby bar ordering a bunch of Miller Lights. Because that's how you do it. That's how you make special memories. Miller Light has been by my side at many special football memories this year. And hopefully we get to write a few more more memories with Miller Lite. Some of my most legendary moments have started that exact same way. A buddy's house, a lobby bar, a game. No big plan. And then you crack open a Miller Light, you take a sip, and you look around and you immediately recognize that you made the right call. Legendary moments start with Miller Lite. Great taste. 96 calories. Go to millerlight.com dan to find delivery options near you. Or you can pick up some Miller Lite pretty much anywhere they sell beer. It's Miller time. Celebrate responsibly. Miller Brewing Co. Milwaukee, Wisconsin. 96 calories and 3.2 carbs per 12 ounces.