The Big Suey: EEEEHHHHHHHH? (feat. Dianna Russini)

Summary

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The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz — The Big Suey: "EEEEHHHHHHHH?" (feat. Dianna Russini)

Date: October 14, 2025
Location: Elser Hotel, Downtown Miami
Guests: Dianna Russini (The Athletic), Nick Wright (via video)
Main Theme: A freewheeling romp through NFL chaos—coaching firings, quarterback trends, team dysfunction, and the lovable absurdity that fuels both sports and this show.

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Episode Overview

This episode dives into the NFL’s latest coaching shake-ups (notably the firing of Brian Callahan), team dysfunction (Titans, Bears, Dolphins), and the evolving landscape of quarterback success in the league. Dianna Russini joins the crew to offer insider perspectives, particularly on front-office power struggles and how environment affects QB development. Amidst the sports talk, the crew riffs about life’s eccentricities—from the politics of splitting restaurant checks to the sanctity of the favorite coffee shop—and concludes with the fate of a shipping container’s dreams, hinging on Nick Wright’s billionaire poker night.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Titans' Dysfunction & Brian Callahan’s Firing

• Adam Schefter Mix-Up: Schefter told Pat McAfee there wouldn’t be a Titans coaching change—then tweeted Callahan’s firing less than an hour later.
  • "He says he could be wrong. And then he was wrong less than an hour later." — Billy (04:32)
• Dianna’s League Insight: The decision shocked insiders not for the outcome, but for the timing. Multiple firings over several regimes have left few to blame except, now, Chad Brinker.
  • “…if the people running the show…are saying we’re not going to fire Brian Callahan and then there’s a firing, that reeks of ownership.” — Dianna Russini (05:00)
• Franchise Power Struggles: Dan walks through Titans GM/coach turnover, with Dianna confirming messy ownership dynamics and ill-fated GM picks.
  • “I think Chad Brinker has his tentacles in all of this for sure, but I think his relationship with ownership…is really strong.” — Dianna (06:43)
• Vrabel’s Shadow: The show speculates whether Callahan was canned to avoid Vrabel (now with New England) embarrassing his old team, adding narrative heat to the upcoming matchup.

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2. The Quarterback Rollercoaster: Number One Picks & Second Chances

• New Trend: Last four #1 QB picks have seen their coaches fired in the rookie year—a sign of organizational disorder, not just player issues.
  • “There’s very rarely a GM and a head coach together making this selection. It’s all messed up.” — Dianna (10:08)
• QB Resurgence in Right Systems: Dianna and Dan outline how QBs like Sam Darnold, Baker Mayfield, Mac Jones, Daniel Jones are thriving elsewhere, arguing environment and coaching matter profoundly.
  • “You really can’t give up on a lot of these guys that have the mental toughness.” — Dianna (21:52)
  • “These guys most thought they stunk when they were drafted…and now they all are playing some of the best at the position.” — Dianna (10:08)
• Notable Example: Saquon Barkley personally vouched for Daniel Jones’s upside—again illustrating how context can unlock talent.

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3. State of the AFC: Bills & Eagles Both Faltering

• Buffalo’s Woes: Dan points out the Bills’ wins are against teams with a combined 3-21 record; similar stats to the Eagles, stirring worry.
  • “The Bills…are also scoring 17 points, also allowing 5.7 yards per game. Which is the bigger problem there, Diana?” — Dan (11:45)
• Defensive Issues: Dianna isn’t worried about Josh Allen long-term, blaming last night's poor passing on immense Falcons pressure, not injury.
  • “He just looked rushed last night…he always finds ways to sort this out.” — Dianna (11:58)
  • “Josh Allen was pressured 56% of the dropbacks last night, so that’s the most since 2021.” — Billy (18:04)

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4. Parity and Paranoia: Who’s Actually Good?

• Uncertainty Rules: The panel struggles to identify dominant teams, poking fun at the “Ehhh” scale for evaluating teams’ legitimacy.
  • “Is this good or bad that we don’t know who’s good and who’s bad?” — Stugotz (18:48)
• Chiefs as Sole Outlier: Dianna feels only the Chiefs have truly found their groove; everyone else is a question mark.

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5. Inside Joke—The "Ehhh" Scale and Team Diagnoses

Segment: 19:06–21:16

• Team-by-Team Sound Effects: Dianna rates squads using a spectrum of skeptical noises, underscoring the league’s unpredictable parity.
  • Billy: “These are different noises. These are all different.”
  • Stugotz: “It’s a scale, Dan. You don’t get it. It’s a scale.”
• Conclusion: The "Ehhh" noise becomes a running gag to illustrate the general mediocrity or uncertainty about most NFL teams.

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6. Dolphins Dysfunction—Tua vs. McDaniel

• Public Airing of Issues: Tua reveals teammates were late or missed players-only meetings. Mike McDaniel criticizes making it public.
  • “Your franchise quarterback, the captain of their team, admitting people are late, admitting that people aren’t doing…what they need to be doing…” — Dianna (28:13)
• Dianna’s Take: It's a sign the culture’s off; ownership is “waiting to see when Steven Ross goes: ‘OK, enough. This is never going to turn around.’”
  • “They are what they are, which is not a very good team run by bad leaders right now.” — Dianna (33:45)

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7. Sidebar: The Comedy of Players-Only Meetings

• They Don’t Work: Dianna says teams just want to “stop the bleeding” rather than fix anything; the group lampoons how quickly these meetings become meaningless.
  • “Can we just get rid of player only meetings? They don’t work, right?” — Dianna (32:45)
• Jets’ Futility: Billy notes the Jets held a rare, off-day, player-led practice—proof this concept means little; even “hard work” can’t save poor organizations.

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8. Bears Optimism & The Cultural Impact of Scheduling

• Are the Bears “Good” Now? Dianna cautiously says the team is “going in the right direction,” but tempers expectations.
  • “They’ve got the building blocks of a team that are going in the right direction.” — Dianna (26:55)
• NFL Broadcasts: Crew debates whether Monday double-headers improve the viewing experience.
  • “I don’t like the doubling up at night…just too hard for my little brain to watch both games.” — Dianna (24:38)
  • On West Coast fandom: “They have a whole night ahead of them. We’re all like under our covers.” — Dianna (24:38)

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9. Dianna’s Coffee Shop Saga

Lighter Segment: 34:42–36:16

• Warm Reception Thawed: Dianna shares how her coffee shop used to keep her fueled with free mugs and pastries—until they learned she doesn’t write about (soccer) football.
  • “He pulls out the app and he’s going to the soccer page…No, no, no, no, no. Football. American football. And he just goes…shuts the app. No more free coffee.” — Dianna (35:43)

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10. Nick Wright’s Poker Update: Hopes Dashed

Comedic Closer: 36:40–44:48

• Setup: The shipping container crew hopes Nick Wright wins big and shares his winnings; if he loses, he’ll want Dan’s repayment (and the crew gets nothing).
• Nick Wright’s Video Recap: “Good news, I’ve definitely got a seat in that [game] whenever I want…Bad news, I lost.” (40:18)
• Aftermath: The group debates whether Nick’s 2am city-walking look is more “werewolf” or “vampire” and jokes about dividing prize money that never materialized.
  • “He does not have any white in his eyes. There is a lack of soul there that comes from losing to billionaires…” — Billy (42:15)
  • “He definitely ran through Central Park like James Spader and Wolf.” — Dan (43:37)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

On rapid-fire coaching changes:

• “No one broke the Callahan story. The Titans did. The Titans were the one who put that out. So we all lost.” — Dianna Rossini (06:05)

On organizational dysfunction:

• “This is more about ownership versus Mike Vrabel on Sunday.” — Dianna (09:45)

On parity and power rankings:

• “Is this good or bad that we don’t know who's good and who’s bad?” — Stugotz (18:48)
• “We know the Colts are good. We know Denver's good right now.” — Billy (19:06)

On Bears’ turnaround:

• “Bears fans should be waking up today just enthusiastic that this is headed in the right direction.” — Dianna (27:05)

On players-only meetings:

• “Can we just get rid of player only meetings? They don’t work, right?” — Dianna (32:45)
• “That works when it's Tom Brady during COVID and you're breaking protocol, right? When it’s like Justin Fields is calling you to, like, a park…” — Stugotz (34:30)

On coffee shop heartbreak:

• “No more muffins. No more warmed up banana bread. I realized I should have just been like, ‘Yeah, I do a little soccer. I dabble there.’ So I gotta find a new coffee shop.” — Dianna (36:04)

On Nick Wright’s poker fate:

• “He thinks he’s got a table full of suckers, but they’re billionaires and he’s not—and they leave with his money. But he’s got the edge.” — Stugotz (42:32)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

| Timestamp | Segment / Topic | |------------|------------------------------------------------------------| | 03:47–09:45| Titans coaching drama; Dianna’s inside take on Callahan firing | | 09:45–13:50| #1 picks and the curse of early firings; QB redemption stories | | 13:50–14:51| Atlanta Falcons anomaly and the confusing Panthers | | 18:04–18:25| Josh Allen pressured at historic rate | | 18:25–21:16| “Ehhh” noise scale on league parity | | 21:16–23:27| QB development systems in focus | | 24:21–26:55| Bears win and double-header Monday Night Football talk | | 27:27–29:22| The Dolphins’ dysfunction goes public (Tua/McDaniel) | | 32:43–33:45| Players-only meetings & organizational futility | | 34:42–36:16| Dianna’s coffee shop saga | | 36:40–44:48| Nick Wright’s poker update; vampire/werewolf debate | | 44:48–end | (Show returns to ad reads / closing banter) |

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Final Takeaway

This episode blends high-level NFL analysis, satirical skepticism, and signature absurdist banter. Dianna Rossini’s reporting anchors the conversation in legitimate league insight, while the rest of the crew leans into their “Ehhh” assessment of the season’s parity, lampooning sports culture, football tropes, and how hope springs eternal—even when it rides on Nick Wright not losing to billionaires in the dead of night.

Listen for the breakdowns, but stay for the comedy and camaraderie. In a year where nobody can tell who’s actually good, at least you’ll know who’s funny.

Transcript

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[Stugotz]

I'm sorry.

[Billy]

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[Dan Le Batard]

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[Billy]

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[Stugotz]

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[Billy]

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[Stugotz]

Happy birthday to him.

[Billy]

I don't care. Good luck, Emeka Egbegboo. My bad. I had the Emeka wrong. I got the Egbegboo Right. But Imeka egbegboo, okay, happy 23rd birthday for him. He has no functioning hamstrings. Baker Mayfield will win without him. Doesn't need him in any way, even though he is great. The things happening with Baker Mayfield are a little bit puzzling to me. Yesterday on the show, I said no two people in human history would have tackled on that third and 14 first down run because he was going to get that first down by lowering his shoulder and somehow running between two tacklers.

[Stugotz]

Who do you think's the best person, like, in history to be a football player that wasn't a football player just based on stature? Tony.

[Billy]

Okay, I'm going to have to do this to Jeremy. I'm sorry that I have to do this to Jeremy. We got a major penalty on Jeremy.

[Stugotz]

Five minutes for being Jeremy.

[Dan Le Batard]

A major. He said he was. Yes. And.

[Billy]

But all he gave me was Tony.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah, that was funny.

[Billy]

It was.

[Stugotz]

Yeah.

[Dan Le Batard]

I didn't see you doing anything with a question.

[Billy]

Well, that's giving Billy the room to be Billy. But since you know what? You're right, actually.

[Stugotz]

Who's this for?

[Billy]

I don't know. Billy's got a major penalty.

[Dan Le Batard]

Five minutes for being Billy.

[Billy]

A major.

[Dan Le Batard]

You gotta call it both ways.

[Billy]

Can you guys put on the screen, please, in the corner as Diana Rossini joins us from the Athletic. Just that Nick's got game last night, the. The tic tac toe that the fans were playing. Just put it in the corner for entertainment purposes as Diana is on with us so that people can just enjoy that on an endless loop and also play for Diana, please. What happened to Adam Schefter yesterday where Adam Schefter goes on Pat McAfee and says this on McAfee?

[Stugotz]

I don't see it. Doesn't mean I'm right.

[Billy]

But I don't see a coaching move being made anytime soon.

[Stugotz]

And then less than an hour later, he tweeted out, brian Callahan has been fired.

[Billy]

That is correct. Diana Rousini talked about worst nightmare, worst.

[Stugotz]

First and his defense. He's asked by McAfee. So he's just like, I don't know is not a good answer here. So I got to give some jazz hands.

[Billy]

He said. He says he. He says he could be wrong. And then he was wrong. Less than an hour later, Diana, how surprising was this in league circles? Mike Ryan was overjoyed. He thinks that Callahan is clown show for his beloved Cam Ward bad phrase.

[Diana Rossini]

Yeah. I don't think Brian Callahan getting fired was shocking. It was just when he was fired. There was a belief around the league that this regime, right. Of Mike Briganzi, the new general manager, he's leading all this, wanted to keep Callahan to just kind of get through this season. I don't think they believed in an in season firing. So to me, this is in defense of Schefter, by the way. I think the reason why he said he didn't believe that there'd be a firing because I think he also was aware that they did not want to do this, right? So what does that usually tell you? If the people running the show, we'll call it, are saying we're not going to fire Brian Callahan and then there's a firing that reeks of ownership. That's owner calling going, yeah, I can't do this anymore. And, and I, I believe that that's kind of how that happened. Why that went down to also Schefter's defense, he did kind of shelf it, right? Because he's like, I could be wrong. He's smart. Like, I'm an idiot sometimes when I do this stuff, I'm like, nobody's getting fired. Not today. No way. I had to do a better job of. Because he's been doing this so long. He knows things can change like that. And that's exactly what happened. And he had to eat it a little bit. But onto the next one. No one broke the Callahan story. The Titans did. The Titans were the one who put that out. So we all lost.

[Dan Le Batard]

Diana. It seems to be a mess of a franchise. They've made bad move after bad move. I guess the whole chain started with getting rid of Mike Vrabel, who seems to be doing really well in New England. There is a very weird ascension of Chad Brinker over there. I think he was brought in by Ran Carthon and then became Ran Carthon's boss and then pushed him out. We're running out of people to point the finger at for, for Chad. How safe is he?

[Diana Rossini]

I know, it's a, it's a good point, right? Because let's go back even two more regimes, right? Mike Malarkey was fired after winning a playoff game, right? So he gets fired. John Robinson's the general manager. He hires Mike Vrabel. They trade AJ Brown, they go to Philadelphia. AJ Brown lights them up. Philadelphia fans are screaming at, at their owner. They fire John Robinson the next week. They get through a few more. They get through that season, the next season they bring on or that season they on Ran car thon. Mike Vrabel tells the owner he's not ready. I like him. Let's just make him an assistant. He's just not ready to be a GM Owner says, great not trusting what you have to say because I want to pick who the general manager is. I don't want you having all the power. Well, she picks Ran Carthon. They figure out pretty quickly he's not the right choice either. Either way, it's V that gets the boot. So then Vera leaves, takes a year off, hangs out with the Browns for a little bit. Now he's obviously in New England having some early success and we'll see how this thing transcends. And then they wind up firing Brian Callan, excuse me, firing Ran Car thon. And as you said, now Chad Brinker is part of all this. I think Chad Brinker has his tentacles in all of this for sure, but I think his relationship with ownership and their belief in what he can do is really strong. If you heard their press conference last night and I'm not sure if you guys tuned into it because it was like 8:30 Eastern during Monday Night Football. Mike Briganzi and Chad Brinker sat at the table in front of the Titans media and laid out the picture of we have nine Super Bowls between us in the front office. Which is a wild thing to say, I believe, to basically say we have the credentials to fix this. Yet we all know we have not seen that. So Mike, I do think a lot of people were making this about Brian Callahan versus Mike Vrabel. And then obviously the Patriots are coming in to Nashville this weekend to play them. And there was definitely some chatter yesterday that did the Titans fire Brian Callahan before Mike Vrabel could come into town and embarrass them if they won to just avoid it? Right? Like let's just not give him the satisfaction. Let's just fire Brian now.

[Dan Le Batard]

Interesting.

[Diana Rossini]

I don't know if that's true. That's just like fun theories that people had going on yesterday. But this was never about comparing Brian Callahan to Mike Vrabel. I think we've all, I think we all can agree that he variable is a better coach. I think the story of this upcoming Sunday is the dysfunction of this organization. With the number one overall pick who has shown that he can play, are they going to be able to fix this and get the most out of the player? And I think the variable side to this is, look, I don't think he ever really wanted to leave Tennessee. I think he wanted to be there for the rest of his life and they had some success there. But at the end, it was obvious that him and the owner did not like one another. So this will. This is more about ownership versus Mike Vrayville on Sunday.

[Stugotz]

It's not just Cam Ward at this point, though, where the number one pick has had their coach fired. It's the last four quarterbacks taken number one overall. Schefter tweeted this out yesterday. It's Trevor Lawrence, Urban Meyer was fired in 2021. It's Bryce Young, Frank Reich was fired. It's Caleb Williams, Matt Eberfluss was fired, and now Cam Ward, Brian Callahan was fired. All during the first season of these number one overall picks.

[Diana Rossini]

Well, guys, it's usually because there's disorder during that time. There's very rarely a GM and a head coach together making this selection. It's all. It's all messed up. Which is why we're seeing, and I believe it to be the story of the year, of just the resurgence of quarterbacks that are in the right programs. Whether it's Sam Darnold in Seattle, whether it's Baker Mayfield in Tampa Bay, Mac Jones in San Francisco, Daniel Jones in Indy, right? Like, these guys most thought they stunk when they were drafted by the teams that took them, and now they all are playing some of the best at the position and think about being those teams, right? Like, you think the New York Giants aren't watching Daniel Jones? Like, what the. Like, where did that come from?

[Billy]

Well, no, they gave him money thinking that they had an idea of where that came from. And it's not just the last four. It's six of the last eight. I want to ask you some things about the last. The couple of games that we saw last night before we get to this TUA sound. You guys do realize at this point that the four teams that the Bills have defeated have a combined record of 3 and 21. And it's not just that because that's bad enough, right? It's also this because we've been talking a lot about the Eagles over the last two weeks. The Eagles are 0 and 2. They've scored 17 points a game, and they've allowed 5.7 yards per play. The Bills also.02, also scoring 17 points, also allowing 5.7 yards per game. Which is the bigger problem there, Diana? Is it that their defense is really injured or is it that those skilled players that I thought would be better can't get deep downfield, that Shakir is their only wide receiver weapon, and all of a sudden you've turned Josh Allen into somebody who's not Throwing the ball downfield.

[Diana Rossini]

Yeah, I'm not going worry about the offense as much as I am going to worry about the defense for Buffalo. Right. Because you've got one of the best players in football playing quarterback. He, he just looked rushed last night. He was speeding up too much and all like the, the first part of the season. I feel like the part of his game that was so strong was that he slowed down. I was talking to some defensive coordinators before their games when they would face the Bills and that was something that they noticed that he is seeing sitting there way more comfortable in the pocket rather than running and doing all those Josh Allen things that are sometimes magnificent. And then I do think we saw last night when he's feeling that pressure, he's kind of going back to some of those old habits, yet he always finds ways to sort this out. So less worried about this. These Bills skill players. Although fans will tell you, let's go get A.J. brown. Trade deadlines coming up. Let's make a move. We'll see if they're going to do that. I don't get the sense right now the Bills are going to make some big splash before this trade deadline. As for. As, as for defense, like, yeah, this is. You have a defensive minded head coach. This is where they need to hold it down. And it definitely obviously affects the way this offense plays. And we're seeing, we're seeing some holes now and this is going to be something to haunt them if they don't fix it.

[Billy]

I thought he was hurt last night. I thought he got hurt and then all of a sudden his passes were low and very inaccurate. More inaccurate than I've seen him in a minute. You thought that was pressure, not injury.

[Diana Rossini]

That's pressure. Jeff Ulbricht has done a phenome. John. When do we ever talk about an Atlanta Falcons pass rush? That's good. This. These guys are tough and they were just smothering Josh and I think that's where the problems are coming from. I don't think I'd like to look this up. Maybe when you guys can. I'd be curious if this was the most pressure we've seen on Josh Allen in a game this season. I bet you it's up there.

[Dan Le Batard]

I like that D.C. it's got a weird liver king vibe over there. His son made crank call Shador. I don't know. He's crazy. I dig him.

[Diana Rossini]

I know. Isn't that funny like that. That's how we recall him as like the guy's doing a great job with his Falcons defense, we're like, well, his son called Shador. What a weird story that was.

[Billy]

Speaking of weird Results, Atlanta losing 30 to nothing to Carolina confused me.

[Dan Le Batard]

Carolina's confusing, dude.

[Diana Rossini]

I can't. Okay. You know, sometimes, like we do this and we're so in it and it, I don't know, sometimes I had to like step out in order to understand and really appreciate football. I woke up on Monday going, the Panthers are three and three. Like, I had to check it on my phone.

[Billy]

Their season's over.

[Diana Rossini]

You know, like it just, they're one of those stories where you have to check it because you're not sure about it. Credit to them, right? They're fighting. I think they're one of the more surprising teams right now being able to. You can't overlook them anymore. I feel like you could do that. Last year. The Panthers put up a fight now. So, so good for them.

[Stugotz]

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[Diana Rossini]

Are you on the fan right now? Did Mike Greenberg call you yet? Are you ever gonna go back to espn? People think it's so weird you're a writer now. All those years on tv. All those years, and now you write. Who reads that?

[Dan Le Batard]

Stugats.

[Diana Rossini]

Why did he take a job at the Atlantic? Mom, I work at the Athletic.

[Billy]

What?

[Diana Rossini]

You. On YouTube?

[Stugotz]

This is the Dan Levatar show with the Stugach.

[Billy]

To Diana's point. Incidentally, Josh Allen was pressured 56% of the dropbacks last night, so that's the most since 2021. And they were getting pressure. Just. It was. It wasn't with blitzes. Like, they were getting pressure with their front four.

[Diana Rossini]

Correct. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You can see it, too. All right, yes, that worked out statistically. Sometimes it doesn't.

[Stugotz]

But.

[Diana Rossini]

But that. That makes a lot of sense. But right now, look, there' parity in football, and. And it. Like, even right now, I'm thinking about, like, who are the best teams? You know, like, we. We did this last time. We were together, guys, and we. You know, we were talking about the Colts, and we were talking about the Bucks and the. The two, five and one teams left. Right, but who's the third then? Is it Detroit? Like, who. Who's the third? Best team in football at this point.

[Stugotz]

Is this good or bad that we don't know who's good and who's bad? Because everybody always says like parody. So great. It's like, I like really good teams.

[Diana Rossini]

I guess it just depends on what you want to see as a reporter. I love it because it keeps this interesting. The fact that like I care about the Panthers now is, is fun.

[Billy]

We know the Colts are good. We know Denver's good right now.

[Diana Rossini]

Yeah. No, Billy, I'm with you. It's like, like Boonix kind of stunk against the Jets. And look, a lot of the Denver mistakes were self inflicted. And you look at what this jets team was doing and it's like, how did they not just blow them out? But you're right. Like the only team that I was making that noise about a month ago that I no longer am making it, it's the Chiefs. They found themselves and they're just about to take off in my, in my.

[Billy]

What's this noise? What's this noise that you're making?

[Stugotz]

Everybody knows the noise.

[Diana Rossini]

It's like, it's like.

[Billy]

So your, your analysis of. So when I ask you, every team in the league, are they good? Everyone but the Chiefs is going. That sound.

[Diana Rossini]

Yeah. So, yeah, like if you'd like to do it, we could. We'll go through it.

[Billy]

Oh, sure, let's. Let's go ahead and do it.

[Stugotz]

The Steelers, schedule's tough. Yeah. The Bills.

[Diana Rossini]

Defense, not great. Patriots, not, not there yet. Chargers, I don't trust them.

[Billy]

These are different noises. These are, these are all different.

[Stugotz]

It's a scale, Dan. You don't get it. It's a scale.

[Diana Rossini]

Yeah, it's, they're all.

[Stugotz]

It's a range because even the Colts, like, yeah, the Colts are good. They're the best team in the afc. But Seattle, I don't see the strong.

[Diana Rossini]

All right, let's do it this way. Who gives you. Billy, who gives us the strongest? Like.

[Stugotz]

I mean, I don't know, because Seattle, even the Bucks, the Bucks seem good, but like they're injured and Baker's always capable of doing something dumb at the Rams.

[Billy]

The Rams. The Rams. You guys are going to do this with everybody?

[Stugotz]

That's the league.

[Billy]

The, the Lions.

[Diana Rossini]

This is our point though. Like, this isn't.

[Billy]

Don't know that. The Lions are good.

[Diana Rossini]

Okay.

[Billy]

Like, feel like Green Bay is good.

[Diana Rossini]

Okay. I can go on the other side of it. Let's do the other side. Like, like we could do Browns, Dolphins, Titans, Jets, Jets. I just keep thinking like, I'm the senior NFL insider at the Athletic owned by the New York Times. And I'm going to.

[Billy]

Yeah, and the Zoom's not picking it up, unfortunately, because the raspberry is always a good sound.

[Dan Le Batard]

Diana, we're in a really interesting time for quarterback play in the league. It used to be a guy like Geno Smith, a guy who bounced around and reshaped himself into a starter in the NFL was an outlier. And now you have stories like Baker Mayfield, Daniel Jones, Sam Darnold, guys that it took a little time and now they're playing at elite levels. How does the league take this recent sample and apply it to guys like Spencer Rattler, Trevor Lawrence, even Anthony Richardson? Because we're seeing this recent trend in the league now where guys are bouncing around, they're getting with the right quarterback coach, and they're meeting their ceilings.

[Diana Rossini]

Yeah, it's find the right programs led by the right people. Right. I think Kevin o' Connell has done a great job with any quarterback that stepped in Minnesota. Kyle Shanahan does it every single season. It's why he's so well regarded. It's this McVeigh tree, the Shanahan tree of people, of coaches, that are the ones that seem to be unlocking a lot of the quarterback play. So I think the story, or at least a lesson from this, is you really can't give up on a lot of these guys that have the mental toughness. Right. Like, I was talking to somebody in Indy recently about Daniel Jones, and also I was talking to someone in Minnesota about Daniel as well, and they just kept pointing to his toughness from his time in New York, dealing with a lot of those challenges, but also just the fact that he's so coachable, and those are things, I think, that are just really important, even at the level of the NFL. I think those characteristics exist. Sam Darnold was probably one of the best examples of when you talk to coaches around the league, they used to always say, he can play, I'm telling you. And it would get so frustrating because you wouldn't see it. Saquon Barkley said the same thing to me about Daniel Jones when he went to Philly. I remember the first thing I said to him was, you know, man, you got to be pumped about playing with Jalen. Hurts now, right? You know, Daniel Jones, he's like, no, Daniel is really good. You guys don't get it. Like, you give him an O line, you give him a run game with someone like me, which we're seeing with Jonathan Taylor, we're Seeing with a great O line in Indy. Voila. It's, it's, it's there. It's less and more. Pretty good.

[Billy]

By the way, off of last night's game, I misspoke. It wasn't pressure with four. Atlanta was bringing five on five, but it wasn't five. No, no. I said pressure with four because it was a pressure rate. That was five guys beating five other guys. It wasn't, it wasn't six or seven guys, but five guys does qualify as a blitz. It wasn't. They weren't doing it with four. They were doing it mostly with five.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah, they were very effectively sending their corners too. Surprising. Josh Allen's forcing him to his weaker side.

[Billy]

The other game last night, what did you make of Chicago and Washington and does our NFL insider know when and how they are? We suddenly got two games on Monday night. Did they tell you? Was there an announcement how that happened? I used to remember, like Monday night only had two football. If one of the games on Sunday had been postponed for some sort of strange reason, a hurricane was coming or something.

[Diana Rossini]

I know they double up. Do you like it, though?

[Billy]

I do, but it just used to be that Monday Night Football was a singular game with singular announcers, not a diluted two games. And I'm watching them at once and I've got to watch Washington and Chicago while I'm more interested in the other game.

[Diana Rossini]

Yeah, I personally don't love it. I'm liking the Sunday morning international games. I do. Like, I mean, it's a long day for all of us, but I like waking up and I watch the game so differently in the morning. Like, I'm way more reserved. I'm calmer. It's just like a warm up to what the rest of the day is going to be in our house. I'm used to actually having soccer on, so it's nice to just start the day with a football game. I don't like the doubling up at night because I just think it's just too hard for my little brain to watch both games. And then I'm up late. All of it, all those stupid problems that come with it. The wildest part to me, guys, and you guys are on the same time zone as me. It's just my friends on the west coast, like, I don't think we, I think we underestimate how awesome that is for them. Like, they're done watching their football and they have a whole night ahead of them. We're all like under our covers, like looking at Twitter, you know, after These games, they're living a life. That is the one thing I do wish that we could change is just have the games on earlier. But in terms of what I saw, I mean, the Bears came out looking prepared. They obviously used that bye week to get ready for this. And the run game that I saw on both sides of the ball, being able to stop the run and slow the Commanders down, something that they've done so well, I think was really impressive. And just to be able to go back to Washington after the way we saw Chicago lose last year on that Hail Mary and essentially ended that year for them right like that, that was an exorcism. One of our Bears writers was talking about that last night of like that game against the Commanders last year for the Bears is where it all fell apart. Matt Eberfluss went in that lock. The whole thing was just a disaster. So. So for the Bears to be able to turn it around this fast, like, I think we all knew Ben Johnson was going to be a good head coach and he was obviously sought after and he didn't make the decision to become a head coach until he felt ready. But I am surprised how quick he turned. He turned this around.

[Billy]

And you're willing to say that it is turned around that Chicago. Is Chicago good?

[Diana Rossini]

It's Chicago's good. What they've got, right?

[Billy]

Chicago's the one that's good.

[Stugotz]

Could be.

[Diana Rossini]

No. They've got the building blocks of a team that are going in the right direction. Like that's what I.

[Billy]

That is Chicago good.

[Stugotz]

You don't get this.

[Diana Rossini]

My bar for them is very low. Right. So there's also that you have to factor in like they get a big picture. But for Chicago and what those expectations are from a first year head coach and seeing how Caleb needed a lot of coaching, like this is good. Bears fans should be waking up today, like just enthusiastic that this is headed in the right direction.

[Billy]

Let's play the to a sound for her here and get her reaction. There is only one team in the league where the coach has to come out the next day and say my quarterback said the wrong thing.

[Stugotz]

I think it starts with the leadership in helping articulate that for the guys. And then what we're expecting out of the guys, right? We're expecting this.

[Billy]

Are we getting that?

[Stugotz]

Are we not getting that? We have guys showing up to player only meetings late. Guys not showing up to player only meeting. Like there's a lot that goes into that. Do we have to make this mandatory?

[Billy]

Do we not have to make this mandatory?

[Stugotz]

It's a lot of things of that nature. To be clear, you're saying some players were late.

[Billy]

Late or missed?

[Stugotz]

Late, yeah.

[Dan Le Batard]

Thank you.

[Billy]

Mike McDaniel said afterward, that's the wrong way to handle that. That has to be in house. Your thoughts?

[Diana Rossini]

It's a mess. We talk about cultural issues inside locker rooms and problems that these teams have, and it's hard to point to what those are. They just put it out on front street like they just told you the state of the Miami Dolphins. You have your franchise quarterback, the captain of their team, admitting that people are late, admitting that people aren't doing the things that they need to be doing, you know, to be a successful team. And I know their head coach came out and protected him a bit, I think, despite the fact that his quarterback is taking shots at him. Look, the most common question I get around football right now is when? When is this going to be over? Right? Like, I think everyone's just watching the Dolphins and waiting to see when Steven Ross goes. Okay, enough, enough. This is never going to turn around. Which is unfortunate because I do think at times they had potential. But this has now become what it looks like from the outside. The quarterback going up against the head coach. And that. That's not going to work.

[Stugotz]

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[Dan Le Batard]

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[Stugotz]

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[Dan Le Batard]

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[Stugotz]

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[Dan Le Batard]

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[Stugotz]

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[Dan Le Batard]

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[Stugotz]

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[Dan Le Batard]

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[Diana Rossini]

Live show on the draft. Rick Is it Channel 7 Stugats those girls on eyewitness news. They look good. Their mothers. They look good though.

[Stugotz]

This is the Dan Levatar show with the Stugach. They also seem to be getting stuck in a game of semantics for when Mike McDaniel came out to like say Tua shouldn't be saying that. Tua said there's players skipping player only meetings. And Mike McDaniel's like, well, they're not exactly player only meetings. They're player called film study sessions that they're not attending. So it's not that big a deal.

[Dan Le Batard]

Why?

[Stugotz]

Why is this so weird?

[Diana Rossini]

Can we just get rid of player only meetings? They don't work right. And even just the definition of meeting we saw with Philadelphia, right? It's like, you know, they're like, oh, yeah, yeah, we met, we met. And A.J. brown's like, no, we didn't. Like, we were walking to our cars and you were like, yo, catch the ball. Or whatever the heck their conversation was, you know, like, that was not a meeting. And I think it's because Philly has tried so hard internally to fix it and it's not working. Like, it's almost like relationships, right? Like, you know, when things aren't good and you in, you know, your significant other or your partner just wants to keep talking about it. And you're like, enough with the talking about it. This is not going to fix anything. And the Dolphins are in the same bucket. Like, there's nothing they can talk about anymore. They are what they are, which is not a very good team run by bad leaders right now. And it's not going to get turned around. And I just think that they want to stop the bleeding because they don't want to be embarrassed at this point because this. The wheels. The wheels are off in Miami.

[Stugotz]

I feel like each team should only be allowed one player's only meeting a year. Like, that's all you get. And you get to choose when it is that you have the players only meeting. Because if you're having it every week, it's completely, well.

[Billy]

But I told you guys, this off season, I saw something I've never seen before, never in my history covering sports. A football team got together on an off day without the coaches and had a practice that was players only, no coaches. They had training camp, and then on a day off, they got together that team, to Diana's point of how useful these things are, the New York Jets. The New York jets had a players only practice this off season. And that's the worst team in the sport, which is hard to do when Brian Callahan's team exists.

[Stugotz]

I mean, that works when it's Tom Brady during COVID and you're breaking protocol, right? When it's like Justin Fields is calling you to like a park, it's like, did you reserve this field? Like, there's kids. They have a game today. Get off the field.

[Billy]

Diana, before we let you go here, can you tell me any coffee shop updates that you have? You. You're having to do a lot of work at the coffee shop. I don't know if you're treating the coffee shop the way that Billy treats the bathroom as a good place to read to get away from his family.

[Diana Rossini]

Yes, Billy, I'm in the same camp as you. I write on deadline on Friday, so I always Just go to this one great coffee shop. Like, it's cozy, they keep the heat on, it's warm. And I'd say, like week one or two, they realized that I was a writer because I was sitting there on the computer and I, I mentioned I'm a sports writer. And. And they just keep sending out fresh cups of coffee. They used to give me plastic cups and they started giving me a mug. One time I took a call, I came back, there was a pastry next to my computer. They never charged me. So this is like my, this is my spot. It's like my, my, My own little home on Fridays. And so this past Friday, I think it was the owner, they're Turkish. And he said, you know, I want to reach you. He said, where can I reach you? And I said, oh, the athletic. And so he pulls out the app and he's going to the soccer page. And I said, no, no, no, no, no. Football. American football. And he just goes, goes, oh, shuts the app. No more free coffee.

[Stugotz]

Oh, no goods.

[Billy]

No.

[Diana Rossini]

No more muffins. No more warmed up banana bread. I realized that I should have just stuck with it. I should have just been like, yeah, I do a little soccer. I dabble there. So I gotta find a new coffee shop. So. No longer. No longer welcome.

[Billy]

So sorry. That's terrible. What a terrible ending to this segment. I'm. They brought free pastry and now it's gone. Because you were doing the wrong football. She's the senior NFL insider for the wrong football on the Athletic and the host of the Scoop City podcast that talks about the wrong football. Thank you, Diana. Good seeing you. Always nice seeing you. We will talk to you next week.

[Diana Rossini]

Bye, guys. See you next week.

[Billy]

I am told we have an update from Nick Wright. Nick Wright's poker game. Roy, you missed out on all of this. You were not going to be part of the $5,000 that Nick Wright will or won't give the shipping container.

[Dan Le Batard]

Damn it.

[Billy]

We're gonna find out together whether or not you guys. What, what's your level of enthusiasm? Billy? What do you think's gonna happen here? He had a giant poker game with, with high stakes people. He didn't even want to tell his wife about it because it's their billionaires involved. It's a game above his head. And this is a man who puts $5,000 aside as one of his bets during the week because he's a big time gambler. What do you think's gonna happen here?

[Stugotz]

I don't know. I mean, he seems to have a Lot of disposable income, though yesterday he told us. And if you didn't hear yesterday what he told us, this poker game, if he won big, the 5,000 that Dan owes him, he would give to the shipping container. And if he lost, he was going to need that money from Dan, and the shipping container would get nothing. It was specifically going to be split, by the way, just so we can clarify this. Not Tony, Juju. Greg, I think we were sort of including. Yeah, he was. The four of us back here. Louis, Billy, Mike, and me, possibly Louis.

[Dan Le Batard]

I did reach out to Nick after the show, trying to actively cut Tony out. Out from the pot. Nick allowed him to be in.

[Billy]

So who. Tell me what the cuts are going to be and what are you expecting here? Does anyone know what the result is? Because he has sent a video. Do you guys know what the result is? And how many ways is $5,000 going to be split if he won last?

[Stugotz]

I think we should hear from Nick first and see if we're getting money. Zero ways.

[Billy]

Well, but I know I don't expect.

[Stugotz]

A lot of talk and no action from Nick.

[Billy]

Right, okay, so. But. But just to be clear, Mike, since you texted him after the show, it would be split how many ways?

[Dan Le Batard]

Because I didn't get that far. Yeah, everything was dependent on him winning a big time.

[Stugotz]

Juju came in in the post game, and we said, juju's in, too. So it's very confusing. Seven. Seven of us, I think. I don't know why you're including my dad. I think it's six of us. I think it's the. It's the four of us, excluding Roy. Sorry you weren't here. He said shipping container, though, and then juju was part of it.

[Dan Le Batard]

And Louis, I'm good letting Roy have a part of my cut.

[Stugotz]

Okay, so Roy's in now, too.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah.

[Stugotz]

It does mean. This is like the classic you go to a restaurant situation. You start splitting checks. You said Roy can have a part of your cut. Yeah, but. Yeah, but then it has to be because, like, this is what happens. You go to a restaurant, what'd you order? Couples thr. One card. And then the single people throw in one card. And then you realize, oh, the couple. Each person's actually playing paying half as much as the single person who's putting in a card.

[Dan Le Batard]

You don't have one.

[Stugotz]

Set this down and get everything. Well, first, let's see if we won anything. I had none of the appetizer.

[Billy]

Yeah, so juju, as I recall, had nothing to do with this. Bet you guys are now divvying money up that isn't yours yet and was never yours to divvy up. I asked Nick Wright to send a video of how he did and who he's giving the money to. You guys don't get to decide who gets the money. I was just curious how it is you'd already divvied up, so I wanted to see who would get mad at whom.

[Stugotz]

Nick definitely said in the inner in yesterday, you guys divvied up how you see. Yeah, that's true. That was definitely.

[Billy]

Well, but I asked him to send a video to tell us an update. And I see that this is about what it would look like if he were leaving a billionaire's party walking down the street being Nick wright. So at 2:00 clock in the morning, after complaining that I text him at 2 o' clock in the morning, he said sent this.

[Stugotz]

What up, Levitard crew? Promise you guys an update. This is what I call a good news, bad news, bad news situation. Good news. I've definitely got a seat in that.

[Billy]

Game whenever I want.

[Stugotz]

It runs about once a month. As I said going into it, huge favorite moving forward.

[Dan Le Batard]

That is.

[Stugotz]

Bad news. I lost. How much did I lose? You know, no way to tell. Except. I mean, there's a way to tell, but enough that my chest is a little tight right now. Not from the cigarette. Double bad news for the shipping container. I really wanted you guys to have that five grand, but I'm gonna. I'm gonna need. Actually would probably be helpful for me if I can just have Dan send it directly to assumed creditor. But that's. That's between Dan and I. You can use this however you see fit. Sorry I let you down, guys. Talk to you guys soon.

[Billy]

You didn't let us down. Because I love the visuals of walking through New York City and seeing somebody who I could identify as either a vampire or a werewolf. Like that. That person.

[Stugotz]

That would be terrifying.

[Billy]

There's a vampire. He could be both.

[Dan Le Batard]

I'm with you.

[Billy]

Which does he look like?

[Dan Le Batard]

He's a lichen, no doubt.

[Billy]

Well, if he turned into a werewolf right there when saying his chest tightened at the idea of me trying to figure out how to venmo him a white Corvette when if he turned into a van, what would be more likely? Put that picture up on Twitter at Lebatard show and just ask the question. What is this? Walking through the streets of New York City at 2:00am Is it a vampire or eyeballs or is it a werewolf? What is It. They're black like a doll's eyes.

[Stugotz]

He was also doing circles, if you notice the same buildings kept going from side to side. That's new, Mark.

[Billy]

He does not have any white in his eyes. There is. There is a lack of soul there that comes from losing to billionaires in a game where you're over. You're over your head, but you're playing the long game. He thinks he's got a table full of suckers, but they're billionaires and he's not.

[Stugotz]

And they leave with his money. But he's got the edge and also his blood.

[Billy]

He. I saw actually the other day, I don't know if you guys could find this for me, but I saw just a. On YouTube, I saw a picture or a video of Phil Hellmuth and it said Hellmuth, I think, flips quads. And right next to him is a defeated Nick Wright. Like, just playing in games. He shouldn't be in. Playing in games over his head, but he is a good gambler. Except he wasn't when it came time to not let you guys down and then walk through the streets totally broken, with no white in his eyes, because those eyes were black. And moments after he turned off his camera, his. His hands turned to paws like that. It seems obvious to me from that angle, but I'm afraid of him because Dominique Foxworth has proclaimed that the Chiefs are indeed back.

[Dan Le Batard]

He definitely ran through Central park like James Spader and Wolf.

[Stugotz]

Did you pay him?

[Billy]

I did, yes.

[Stugotz]

Okay. And the car thing, is that still up in the air? We kind of close that loop.

[Billy]

I'd like to still find the car and I'd like to still figure out what to do with the car, but he needs the money, so I paid him.

[Dan Le Batard]

Quick question about James Spader and Wolf. Why was Jack Nicholson all feral, but James Spader could talk intellectually? He was like the smart gremlin when it came to werewolves.

[Billy]

I don't know if you guys saw Weapons or not, but the movie Weapons when Nick Wright lost here with his cigarette, put out his cigarette. He then absolutely ran through the park with his arms spread wide and then turned into some sort of creature. Is there a third creature? Should I put on the pole? Werewolf. Vampire. Loser. Like what. What does he most look like walking through the streets at 2am I would not get near that if I. If I were, I'd walk to the other side of the street if that were walking toward me with black eyes.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah, real Rasputin vibe.

[Billy]

Do we have any other characters that we can go to. That would be better. Because I think werewolf is better than vampire.

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[Billy]

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[Dan Le Batard]

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[Billy]

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[Billy]

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