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Dan Le Batard
Welcome to the Big Sui presented by DraftKings. Why are you listening to this show, the podcast that seems very similar to.
Mike Ryan
The other Dan LeBatard podcast? I'm sorry, I'm not going to apologize for that.
Dan Le Batard
In fact, the only difference seems to be this imaging. I have been tempted in restaurants just walking past tables to grab somebody's fries that if they're just there. That hasn't happened to you guys.
Mike Ryan
I've done it.
Dan Le Batard
And now here's the marching man to nowhere, Fat Face and the habitual liar.
Producer Chris
This episode of the Dan Lebatard show is presented by DraftKings. DraftKings. The Crown is yours.
Dan Le Batard
There was a place yesterday with Sampson where I had some remorse not pressing him on something. When we were talking in reaction to breaking news about politics. Being involved in any of what you see visited upon sports as Terry Rozier does a perp walk in front of everyone, that's purposeful in looking that way. It's offensive and obvious and politically charged. Sampson said there is no politics here. Of course there are politics here. Please don't think that these governing institutions are that much smarter. Don't give them too much credit. The FBI could absolutely clown show upon a sports story the way they did with wiretaps in the NCAA and just find a bunch of buffoonery. But Terry Rozier was purposely walked in front of people that way. It was not necessary. It was done on purpose.
Mike Ryan
Shackled, cuffed on his hands and his feet as if he were some deranged escaped lunatic murderer who assaulted people. Whatever his crime is, even if he's guilty, I don't think that was necessary in any way. I don't think it was necessary that he needed to be arrested. He could have turned himself in. I know his attorney said they didn't even give us an opportunity to turn ourselves in.
Dan Le Batard
You should believe less in these institutions than you ever have in your life. I'm talking about both the NBA and investigators and the government.
Mike Ryan
He's. He's not a flight risk. Matter of fact, you know exactly where he is.
Dan Le Batard
It's all very purposeful.
Mike Ryan
So there was just a lot of pageantry going on. Whether a crime was committed or not is irrelevant. It's what kind of crime was committed and what is the reaction in terms of bringing so called people to justice. I could say that the President of the United States was accused and arrested on assaulting women. He didn't have to do that. He went in on his own accord. He took his, you know, his mugshots and all that. But they didn't bring the SWAT team and cuff him up and shackle his feet as well, even though he was accused of doing harm to people during.
Dan Le Batard
A time when government institutions are being weaponized. Please pay attention to the way things. How they're done. Some of these things are very obvious, okay? They are political machines that are now moving powerfully through, making it look like the brown people are most dangerous. And so it serves them to chain up Terry Rozier on a crime that doesn't deserve this kind of chaining. And the media will gather up behind him and throw rocks at Terry Rozier. You're idiot. You're a bad basketball player.
Mike Ryan
And then, I don't want to be too hyperbolic here, but there was something of it, to me, that was reminiscent of many of the ice raids that we've seen around the country. Like, for instance, recently in New York City on Canal street, the guys were selling kind of knockoff bags or whatever. And it's like this was all under the guise of, we're catching murderers and rapists and gang members and terrorists. And you're telling me the guy on Canal street selling a fake Gucci bag justifies that? In the same way here we're gonna catch these organized crime people and all that. And it's like, so you're gonna arrest the basketball player and put him in shackles. What part of that mission is this accomplishing? And it just. It feels, again, hollow at best and at worst, purposeful in trying to demonize a certain kind of individual.
Dan Le Batard
You're going to do a deep dive on the facts of this with Pablo Torre, and there will be more information there than you will find in most places.
Dave D'Amosek
You tried your best, but you are not going to sway me on. That is a welcome sight, Terry Rozier being dragged away in cuffs. That's great. Sorry. That was very compelling.
Tony
But you almost got you.
Dave D'Amosek
But it was absolutely necessary.
Mike Ryan
Then you remembered, like that game where.
Dave D'Amosek
Then I remember the turnover against okc.
Dan Le Batard
We are not wrong in sermonizing against the idea of chaining up the millionaire, the terrible Terry Rozier. You're just good with it because you've said since the beginning, like, you would have done this to him yourself. As soon as they made the transaction, citizens arrest. And you would have also framed him.
Tony
I'm taking this.
Dan Le Batard
Look, if these poker games were as dumb and all these people were interacting, you'd frame Terry Rozier in a game filled with you suckering him.
Dave D'Amosek
Just like DiCaprio and the departed. I am a cop. I am taking this criminal, this Is my prisoner.
Mike Ryan
My favorite text message I got out of all the text messages around this was a friend of mine sent me a screenshot of a text where someone said, wait a second. Can someone tell Cash Patel that Woody Johnson has been playing in illegal poker games as well? Like, if that's what we're doing tweets about tweets.
Dave D'Amosek
Like, I have been rigging games. My name is Duncan Robinson. I play for the Detroit.
Dan Le Batard
You know. You know that the bald guy, the security guy there's. He could totally frame players if that's how they're going to start getting around the salary cap like this. There are parts of this that are a thicket of interesting, but Dave Danishek, our favorite football weirdo, is the host of a new metal arc podcast. I still don't know how to say the America part. America. Football America.
Dave D'Amosek
Attaboy.
Dan Le Batard
No, how do you say it?
Dave D'Amosek
Becomes Football America.
Dan Le Batard
How do you say it? We couldn't believe that the domain name was available to US football America.
Tony
As a reminder, Dan LeBatard is the one who put the exclamation point at the back end. And that's what really makes it sing. Pronounce it how you want. Football America knows many regions with distinct accents and otherwise. So go ahead. If you're from Pittsburgh, you can say Football America. Yens. But I don't know how people from south beach speak. I can't get that patois down. Shout out, though, to. To my guy Amin. Chris Cody. Everything's happening this morning, clearly, because Chris cody. What, like 22 minutes ago, I'm sitting here listening to you guys flap your gums and. And he says, wait, the Seattle Seahawks used to be in the afc and on Football America, in really just another matter of minutes here, an hour or whatever. When the show posts, I do a what if about what if the Seattle Seahawks had stayed in the AFC in 2002. It yields fascinating results, specifically around a couple of high end quarterbacks or prominent names in pro football right now.
Dan Le Batard
Tony, why are you pointing at Chris here?
Dave D'Amosek
Chris is like throwing his hands in. Is there like a gladiator? Like, are you not entertained?
Producer Chris
That's called network synergy, Dano.
Dave D'Amosek
You meant to be an idiot.
Tony
Well, what I love too is like, I say, everything's happening. I'm thrilled because, like, you know, I think everybody's picking it up. You know, what comes off me is that I'm one of the great empaths in society right now. And, you know, I was thrilled for my fellow hockey fan last night that. That Roy got To pay witness to the greatest player of the millennium, the guy who saved the sport of hockey, Sidney Crosby. Couple of goals in vanquishing the. Whatever. What's that team? The. The defending champions Miamis.
Producer Chris
Back to back.
Tony
Yeah, the Miamis or whatever the. But that was great. So happy for. For everybody there. My. My heart is full for. On Roy's behalf and whatever you guys want to talk. Oh, I have a quick story, though, about what you're talking about there about rigging games. I was once, about a decade ago, pre game down in. In Chicago, downtown in Soldier Field, running around on the field about 45 minutes before kickoff one Sunday. And, oh, look who it is. It's iconic referee Ed Hockey running towards me, right? The guns are out. It's a nice day in Chicagoland. And he's running towards me into the bowels of the stadium. And as he goes by me, I think it would be cute to do. As he goes by, I go, hey, ref. And I go into my. Into my pocket and I pull out a dollar bill and I go like, let's make sure the home team has a good day today, okay? And. And he stops and he goes, what. What the hell are you doing? And he starts. And I realize I have aired immediately. I've. I've made a grave mistake. And so what do you think you're doing? And I said, I, you know, it's just, you know, having some fun. He's like, you stay right here. Who are you? And. And now the shame sweats are starting, you know, the cold show down the spine and everything else. And he runs off and he's replaced, you know, 90 seconds later by a couple of sizable toughs in NFL Blazers. And they are interrogating me about, like, who are. Who do you work for? And I said, the NFL. I said, jesus, can you please let. I don't know why I went into Mr. Hockeyley mode very quickly. I was like, please, I understand that it was a bad joke, but could you please let Mr. Hockey know that it was just a $1 bill and that I have children? And he. Eventually they went back and came back and let me off.
Dan Le Batard
The moral of the story is in a larger, more human way that Dave Damoshek offered Ed Hockey a dollar. And Ed Hockey is a man of such integrity that the entire force of the NFL kept the mob away from Ed Hockey by denying Damoshek his ability to give him a single dollar.
Mike Ryan
Now, correct, in defense of Mr. Hockley, who's a proud resident of the state of Arizona like myself, Dave, how close were you to the stadium when this happened?
Tony
I was in the stadium. I was standing in the archway that leads you into the bowels of the stadium.
Mike Ryan
From the field there's 8 billion came.
Dave D'Amosek
Yeah.
Mike Ryan
And so all they saw was the.
Dan Le Batard
Waving of a single dollar.
Mike Ryan
No. They would have seen him reach and show something. They wouldn't know what bill it was or anything. And so Ed Hockley's like, I'm not taking any chances here because this jamote.
Producer Chris
I need the cameras to see that.
Tony
I don't like this.
Dave D'Amosek
Can't believe that's the case.
Producer Chris
What'd you do that for?
Dave D'Amosek
That's not the takeaway here. Dave was being a smart ass and it caught up real quick.
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Dave D'Amosek
Stugats more Sports this is The Dan.
Tony
Lebatar show with the stugats.
Dan Le Batard
It hasn't caught up to him yet. Look at him soaring through the sky with a pod that, that debuts here in an hour from now. You're saying that our fourth hour today is just damage on the stage. Do you have anyone from our show on your show on football, what's the, what's it called? America Merca.
Tony
Well, how. It depends where you're saying it. Basically anywhere that you are located in football America. Say it how you wish to say it. We have Amman Green, packers icon in advance of the Steelers packers game. We talk about who he would rather have Aaron Rodgers or Brett Favre or Jordan Love. He answered it from a football perspective. I was asking which guy is most likely to pick up the dinner tab, but either way, that's a fun question. We get into, into all aspects of that showdown on Sunday night and you know, listen, we, we bring on Brandon Perna from a high end YouTube show called that's Good Sports. We make the game picks and we dig in on nf. It's a grand time. Like I say, I tell you what happens if the Seahawks would have just stayed in the AFC back at the dawn of this millennium.
Mike Ryan
I like that.
Dave D'Amosek
The entire, the entire episode. Dave, like, we're good. I want to talk about last night.
Tony
No, two minutes.
Dave D'Amosek
We got back to the what if. We got back to the what if.
Mike Ryan
I like the what if.
Dave D'Amosek
Yeah, just a couple minutes.
Tony
You'll. You'll deal with it, Mike. It'll be okay. Hey, Amin. I've been talking a lot about movies. I'm chomping at the bit to talk with you. We've been talking about Tarantino movies and Paul Thomas Anderson movies. One battle after another. One of the real G gems of the generation. I'm gonna throw this one at you guys. I don't want to. I'm sorry, Dan. I know we want to talk football, but quickly. The game of life matters too. Watching movies is a big part of my life and a means it is. So I, I'm gonna ask this one to the room. Quentin Tarantino character draft. Oh, long weekend. Who you riding with?
Producer Chris
Whoa, we're driving. This is driving, not flying.
Tony
You can drive it. You can drive it. Let's say. Yeah, let's say it's a road trip because then you have to deal with people's picadillos a little bit.
Dave D'Amosek
Famously, there was banter in a car between two of the main characters, but that doesn't turn out well. They can be irresponsible. If they hit a pothole or something.
Tony
Well, they. They don't. They don't turn on each other. Yeah, it doesn't go well for one of them.
Dan Le Batard
Right?
Dave D'Amosek
Yeah. But we gotta pick a singular character.
Tony
Okay. Yeah.
Mike Ryan
Phil Lamar. No, wait, no, no, not him.
Dan Le Batard
No.
Dave D'Amosek
That's a deep pool.
Dan Le Batard
So we're all gonna choose our first round pick. Our first.
Tony
Go ahead.
Dave D'Amosek
Yeah, let's.
Tony
Let's do it. Yeah, let's do it. You can't share. You have the honors.
Mike Ryan
Okay, so I'm gonna start with. You know what? Because he seems like a fun time. I'm gonna go with my man Jules.
Dan Le Batard
That's who I would have selected.
Producer Chris
How drafts work. He's gone.
Dan Le Batard
Isn't that what everyone wants?
Tony
Where's your big board, Dan?
Dan Le Batard
Where's your big board?
Tony
Come on.
Dan Le Batard
Take Cooper flag.
Mike Ryan
Is that what you're telling me?
Dan Le Batard
I'm just saying that, like, is there a better character than Samuel Jackson in Pulp Fiction?
Producer Chris
That's not how drafts work, though. That's off the board now.
Mike Ryan
Charlotte Hornets are like. I was going to take Wembanyama.
Producer Chris
I want Wembanyama.
Dave D'Amosek
Yeah, I'll go next in the draft.
Tony
Well, I just want to say right out of the G, this is maybe not the greatest choice that you could have made there.
Mike Ryan
Why is that?
Tony
Because Jules kills people.
Dave D'Amosek
That's right.
Tony
And does it with regularity. What do you mean, why? He pulls out that gun at the drop of a hat. He's taking it out at a diner. He needed to take it out in that case. But still, I mean, he's a dangerous man.
Mike Ryan
My guy, Jules, does his job. He doesn't kill for fun. He's not a sociopath. He does it for work. He pulled a gun on a Donner.
Dan Le Batard
Why?
Mike Ryan
Because Tim Roth and Honey Bunny pulled out the guns first and tried to stick him up and told him to throw his wallet in there. You know what? He was just trying to mind his business, have some coffee, read the paper.
Tony
He is a transitioning man. He seemed to be mellowed out watching.
Mike Ryan
I'm trying real hard.
Tony
You could do worse, that's for sure.
Dave D'Amosek
It's about enjoying the time with someone in the car. And I'm gonna go with. It was tough between Brad Pitt, Tarantino, characters, Torn between Lieutenant Aldo Raine and Cliff Booth. But even though Cliff Booth probably killed his wife, I'm going with Cliff Booth.
Tony
You know what, Mike? I think that's the winning choice. That's exactly right. Cliff Booth is a great time. If nothing else, he'll trip out with you at the drop of a hat. He loves drinking beer every night. Yeah, he's swell fella. And he's a Coxman to boot. So, yes, there's no downside to hanging out with old Cliff Booth. And importantly, if he has murdered, it was only once. Although I have my pal Mark Sessler floated a fascinating conspiracy theory. Aldo Rain is Cliff Booth. Cliff Booth is Aldo Rain. Aldo rain leaves WW2 with great success, lives out for another quarter century, and then arrives on the scene in Once Upon a Time in Hollywood. Pretty heavy. Pretty good. Checks out.
Dan Le Batard
Would no one want to be the detective or the bail bondsman in Jackie Brown? Like, if you don't want conversation in the next seat, because Cliff Brown's not gonna give your. Cliff. He's not gonna give you much conversation. Right? This isn't. He's gonna. It's not gonna be a fun car ride with someone who's real talkative.
Tony
Well, I mean, Dan, you like to speak. As it happens, I like to speak. So, yeah, I'd like somebody who says interesting things about 20% of the time I'm engaged in a conversation with them so that I can just overwhelm with the amount of words I say 80% of the time.
Mike Ryan
Dan wants your choice. Dan wants to ride with the bail bondsman. I'm like, I wanna ride with Jackie Brown. Hello.
Tony
Hey, I know what game you're. I mean, wait, is your official choice from. From the galaxy of options in Tarantino. You're taking the old bail bondsman.
Dan Le Batard
So wait a minute, you guys just with the hairstyle. Listen, you guys did a bait and switch on me. You only took Brad Pitt because he's going to sit there and listen to you. I'm like, if that's the kind of character Jackie Brown's not going to just sit there and listen.
Mike Ryan
I don't want her to listen.
Dave D'Amosek
Hey, come on now.
Tony
I mean, listen. The options in just Once Upon a Time in Hollywood are plentiful. Rick Dalton is. He's a drunk who has a million stories about show business. What a grime.
Mike Ryan
He's an out of control drunk.
Dave D'Amosek
I'm kind of with like, hey, Cliff, you remember that time Stephen Morris dropped back through five tuddies? Like, he would just sit there and.
Dan Le Batard
Be like, so just be an ear. So he would just be a forehead who would collect your boring Pittsburgh Steelers stories. I can finally get to football now.
Dave D'Amosek
Let me regale you.
Tony
I don't know about. I'm not familiar. I'm not familiar with what stories you're talking about. Because the stories you're talking about are boring. My stories about the Pittsburgh Steelers, rich and full.
Dan Le Batard
You've got Pittsburgh going back to Green Bay this weekend. That's the storyline game, right? Like you're.
Dave D'Amosek
It's one of the worst uniform games of all time.
Dan Le Batard
We're mowing through the backup quarterbacks. It's going to spit up. The machine's going to spit up people. But this weekend at the end of Aaron Rodgers career, I called Aaron Rodgers one of the great underachievers of my lifetime. Because like Shaq, I just expected more winning because that's a four time mvp. I want him to win all the time. These are the last fumes of this and the last chance. And he goes back to Green Bay and he's got to kind of of enjoy this, this spot. Enjoy this spot.
Tony
I'd rather it be as you described him going to Green Bay. It's Green Bay coming to his new home and his to visit his new life. I like the, the way I consider it and for all the talk, these guys don't want the, the white hot light of attention. Well, they do want the attention, but they don't like it if it might go against them a little bit. And so Aaron Rodgers is saying all the good stuff, all the nice stuff like absence makes the heart grow fonder. Like did things get weird in Green Bay in my last days? I hardly even remember that. I wish him nothing but the best though. But clearly, clearly he wants to win real, real bad. But. And you can feel it coming off of him. And he's the junior copywriter in the elevator next to Don Draper. And Don Draper is Jordan Love and the Green Bay packers organization looking back at him and saying, I don't think about you at all. They don't care about Aaron Rodgers and what he's doing, but clearly it is deeply important. Taron Rodgers and his silly like what happened?
Dave D'Amosek
I.
Tony
That was so long ago. That was like four years ago when I was saying that Brian Gutenkuntz was an incompetent and that no one would, would come to Green Bay if it weren't for me. Did that. I don't remember who I mean.
Dan Le Batard
What was that reaction you just had? What was the reaction you just had? What was that sound you just made? Yeah, but why did you make that sound?
Mike Ryan
That name was a little dangerous.
Tony
What name?
Mike Ryan
Let's move on. Let me do my Brian Gabal. Let's move on.
Dave D'Amosek
Still can't get over Mean and Dan trying to make us feel sympathy for Terry Rose. Here, I would have had him out as Hannibal Lecter.
Tony
I don't even know what in the hell you're even talking what you guys are even talking about. But Dan, that's exactly right. 35 years the Green Bay packers have never had. And Jordan loves pretty good too. But even if we leave him out for about 35 years, the green Bay packers never have worse than the second or third best quarterback in the QB league. Brett Favre hands it off to Aaron Rodgers. Two Super Bowls, the exact same number of Lombardi's as Trent Dilfer and Joe Flacco delivered to Charm City. Underwhelming stuff. But I did say in 2010, in October of 2010, into a microphone, anybody who would listen, I said Aaron Rodgers will go down as the greatest quarterback of all time. This is before he won a Super bowl or anything that didn't end up happening. He still may be the most gifted. He still may. I even with Patrick Mahomes and Josh Allen, I still think for quarterback and he's the most gifted guy I've seen. When did making plans get this complicated? It's time to streamline with WhatsApp, the secure messaging app that brings the whole group together. Use polls to settle dinner plans, send event invites and pin messages so no one forgets mom's 60th and never miss a meme or milestone. All protected with end to end encryption. It's time for WhatsApp message privately with everyone. Learn more at WhatsApp.com Limu Imu and.
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Dave D'Amosek
Cut the camera.
Tony
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Tony
If all the raindrops were lemon drops and Gumdrops.
Dave D'Amosek
Oh, what a rain that would be. This is the Dan Levatar show with the stugats.
Tony
It leads me to this. With the World Series about to start and the, you know, spectacular performance of Ohtani last week, how close are we to seeing right now the four goats of the four major sports? I'm not talking about that. They're in their primes right now, but we are witnessing in real time. Ohtani is the greatest baseball player in the history of people. Right? Mahomes probably. Okay. Throwing something out.
Dave D'Amosek
He's got a shoehorn city.
Mike Ryan
Right?
Tony
Just making sure I wears my shoehorn because I'm gonna. I'm gonna smack Mike with it. Yeah, that's right. I'm gonna shoehorn in the greatest player of the millennium. Is that wild to see shoehorn in the guy who saved hockey and would definitely dominate 80s hockey in a way that Wayne Gretzky, if you traded him to right now, would be not a Hammond Ager, but he would. He'd be Adam Oates. He would not be the star. I said he wouldn't be a Hammond er. I did not. It's an immediate words, not my words. I said he wouldn't be a Hammond Ager. I said he would be more like Adam Oates is what I said. So Adam Oates is a Hall of Famer. I believe he was a. Scored a lot. Do you think Wayne Gretzky would be. Would be a dominant force?
Dave D'Amosek
What does that mean? It's a jobber.
Tony
Whatever. But I didn't say it, Dan. I said he's not. He wouldn't be a Hammond Ager. I said he'd be Adam. Okay, who was an all star.
Dave D'Amosek
Beautiful eyes. Oates had beautiful eyes.
Dan Le Batard
Right?
Mike Ryan
Now you are being wildly disrespectful.
Dan Le Batard
Adam Oates.
Dave D'Amosek
It's the eyelashes for me.
Mike Ryan
By the way, who's your basketball goat who's playing right now? Is it Wembanyama Jokic?
Dave D'Amosek
No.
Tony
Well, no, it would be. I'm just. I'm floating a thought how close we're getting. LeBron is the 1A, right? LeBron is the 1A in the NBA.
Dan Le Batard
Michael Jordan Still, I mean, I don't know if you watch.
Tony
Michael Jordan is number one. The 1A is LeBron. So we're pretty close in the NBA. Hey, we're very close in pro football. If Patrick Mahomes would have beaten the Eagles last six months ago, it would be settled. Now look, and Ohtani is the best.
Dan Le Batard
Now Statistically, Mahomes before 30 is better than any of them. That's not. There's no argument on that. Like but you're. What you're saying of all of them, the most impressive. The most impressive is Ohtani like yeah like that. It's. We are watching in real time the greatest baseball player there's ever been.
Dave D'Amosek
For the record, Wayne Gretzky did play during the time of Adam Oates and was not Adam Oates.
Dan Le Batard
Adam Oates. That's unbelievable. That's unbelievable.
Tony
Gretzky made his hay statistically the the bulk of it from 1980 to 1985 when it was the breeziest time ever. You didn't have to know how to skate to score 40 goals a year. It was I mean there Ron dude.
Dan Le Batard
What you're saying is blast blasphemous and infuriating. What you're saying is blasphemy of the highest order. You can't come on airwaves. Expect to be taken seriously with Wayne Gretzky would have been Adam Moats in the age of Adam Moats when he played with Adam Oates.
Tony
Wayne Gretzky was not the best player in the NHL by the end of the 80s. Mario Lemieux clearly was a superior talent to Gretzky. He was in a great situation. He was a dominant force. He was a points making machine in the right spot there. The greatest point guard you could have surrounded by a gaggle of stars. His power play included Mark Messier, Glenn Anderson and Paul Coffey. Like I say, I would have scored 30 or 40 goals surrounded by those guys on the power play.
Dan Le Batard
Unbelievable what he's to the great one.
Tony
And goalies padded up like they were going to go ride a dirt bike rather than stand between the pipes and take hundred mile an hour slappers. I mean it's. It's not comparable.
Dave D'Amosek
We're from a swamp. We just started following hockey three years ago. We sharpen our skates with sawgrass. But you make no sense to me.
Mike Ryan
Roy's just been discussed. He's discussed it at you imperfect, imperfect.
Tony
Way to do this. But I think it's. You could do a lot worse. Do the cross generational trade. Trade Wayne Gretzky to to now crosby back to 1982. Who do you think wins out? Who do you think performs better if you flip the generation? Sidney Crosby would dominate the NHL in a way that is hard for me to really fathom.
Dan Le Batard
Roy, this is the player you hate. Roy, you hate across attorneys. You're going to chase Sidney Crosby through heaven one day shaking a hockey stick.
Dave D'Amosek
At him because you going to heaven.
Dan Le Batard
You hate Roy Listen to what this man is saying. That Sidney Crosby is miles and leaps better than Wayne Gretzky ever was.
Tony
All right? I mean, let's not get crazy about leaps and bounds, but he's better.
Dan Le Batard
Go ahead, Roy Ham and Edgar, this.
Dave D'Amosek
Is a clear Pittsburgh bias coming out of Mr. D' Amosek today. Dave, this is exactly why Cliff Booth is the number one draft pick, because he would just nod along. As you said this take.
Mike Ryan
I also need everyone to really enunciate when you say ham and egger.
Tony
It's kind of like that's why I'm not saying it.
Mike Ryan
It's a horrible bosses too type situation. Like Nick kurtdale.com.
Dave D'Amosek
Yeah, we're.
Tony
Yeah. Well, when the Dodgers take the field for the World Series, you'll notice the most important accent mark over a name going. Keep that Fernandez. That's right. That's right, Damon.
Dan Le Batard
Shaq, you're making me uncomfortable. You missed. Amin protected all of us in that moment with great grace by just doing Bryant Gumbel and saying, let's move on. But also, Tony doesn't understand something you've done here, cuz you keep saying Hammond Egger. We keep responding as if it's the greatest of insults. And Tony need you to.
Mike Ryan
It's like a stop sign. You got to slow all the way down. Look to your left.
Dave D'Amosek
No, California stops there, buddy.
Dan Le Batard
Yeah, you can't just roll.
Producer Chris
Give me a breath in between and.
Tony
And Egger, I hear you, but you know, you remind me of something with that. You know, it's vexed me for many moons now. Why if you want to insult somebody's sense of humor, you tell. You say they're corny or. Or they're hammy or cheesy. You could say, man, you're any of those. You're cheesy, corny, hammy. These are insult. Okay, yeah, but wait, wait, wait. But hack is one thing. Those three. Those three foodstuffs, each of them delicious. What's an insult about being cheesy? I like. I like. I like when my food's cheesy.
Dan Le Batard
Damn it, Sheck. Look, Tony, every time you've called him this, Tony has reacted as, I like ham, I like eggs. With my people. This is delicious. Like, why are you insulting? What does the insult even mean? I see the confusion on Tony's face.
Tony
Yeah, you're right. I'm guilty of. Exactly. I'm bitten by my own snake here because that's what I'm attacking. I like corn and. But I wouldn't want to be called corny. I think we need to figure out what the actual bad food is and use that as the insult. I mean, what's. What is the universally.
Dan Le Batard
You insulted Gretzky with what you said. Animotes.
Tony
Wayne Gretzky is artichoke y. Like, you know what I mean?
Mike Ryan
Artichokes that are having.
Tony
They get a bad rack. Some other artichokes.
Mike Ryan
When we were growing up, there were foods that we knew from Looney Tunes and everywhere else. These are the bad foods, right? You got brussels sprouts.
Dave D'Amosek
Ugh. Broccoli.
Mike Ryan
You got broccoli. Artichokes. Don't forget cauliflower and lima beans, right? And then all of a sudden, like, I don't know, do genetic engineering or something. Now these are, like, the hot items.
Tony
Ooh, let me get the broccolini.
Mike Ryan
Let me get the Brussels sprouts. I'm like, where did you guys grow up? And then I realized someone told me, no, they actually genetically engineered brussel sprouts to taste better.
Dave D'Amosek
The human palate changes everything.
Tony
Is that true? Well, they also. They've also done remarkable work with cauliflower. You know, at the turn of the millennium, that also. Yeah, I don't know what happened. They suddenly figured out new tricks with the brussels sprout, and cauliflower got in. They started mashing it and all of that. I also am happy that we happened to live on the big blue marble in a window in which somebody came along and said, hey, dark chocolate's good. Salt and stuff is good. Let's put some sea salt on the dark chocolate. That's right. But here's the thing. As we talk about corn and brussels sprouts and everything else, and now every menu that you. Every restaurant, you sit down, the menu will feature brussels sprouts. Might have some mashed cauliflower, and those are fine with me. But why, in our overly indulgent society, do we keep stuffing. Delicious, delicious stuffing reserved for just one day a year? Why don't we have stuffing on. On all the menus?
Mike Ryan
Stuffing is.
Tony
Is divine. More stuffing. That's. That's my order of the day.
Mike Ryan
As a veteran of many media meals at many NBA arenas around the country, sometimes they run out of stuff, and they're like, you know what? We're having turkey night, and they've got the stuffing and everything. Oh, my God. It's not even Thanksgiving. Shut up. I like this. I like being able to eat like it's Thanksgiving in March.
Tony
I just went to a diner a few days ago, and I saw on the menu the greatest order you can make at a diner. Hot turkey sandwich. Now, do yourself this favor. Say, replace the mashed potatoes with fries, but put the gravy on the fries. And I'll check in with you once I get back down from cloud nine.
Dave D'Amosek
If you want to be cornered by 40. For 40 minutes by Dave Danishek to only hear about Mike Tomczak, he will be at the Flanagan's on Thursday. Our event presented by Miller Lite. You can just say Bubby Brister and he will talk to you straight. For 90 minutes at the Flanagan's in Kendall, presented by Miller Lite. You won't watch a second of the game. You will try to get away thinking that it was just small talk. And he'll say, and another thing. Hammond egg trapped.
Producer Chris
That's at the Kendall. Kendall drive in Southwest 127th Avenue. Flanagan's, Thursday, October 30th. $1500 costume contest. Dave, what are you joining dressing up as Jesus?
Dan Le Batard
Chris?
Dave D'Amosek
Chris, you okay?
Dan Le Batard
Chris, what happened there? What happened? Explain what happened.
Producer Chris
I lost my breath a little.
Dan Le Batard
You were just starting.
Tony
It's contagious.
Dan Le Batard
You were trying to do a promo.
Producer Chris
For the fourth sentence.
Dan Le Batard
Okay, 27th. So, yes, Mike Ryan has it right. Okay? We're going to have a block party. And Dave Danishek, if you get near him and you say anything about Mike Webster, you will be there until Sunday hearing stories, Old Steeler stories, if that's what you want. Somebody in your life just breathing hot Steeler breath at you. Talking about Bobby Brister and Jack Ham. Yeah, I don't know which year.
Tony
Look, Roy brought it all the way. Full circle, ham and eggs. It will be number 59.
Dan Le Batard
Fine, Tony, we should have.
Dave D'Amosek
Eggs, by the way, is a balanced breakfast of the Cuban diet, right? You got a little bit of ham, you put it in the eggs. You got a Crocatica, you get a Pastelito, you got a Totada, you got a cafecon leche. All of a sudden, all that stuff gets together right in your stomach.
Tony
No, Tony, Tony, I appreciate the support, but that's all.
Dave D'Amosek
I don't think you do.
Tony
I don't think in my book, you don't appreciate.
Dave D'Amosek
Dave, you've never had a croqueta.
Tony
I don't think you can appreciate the.
Dave D'Amosek
Support until you have a croqueta.
Tony
Well, I've had. You know what? I had it in the Dan Lebatard studios. As a matter of fact, on my last visit, it was delicious. But I'm no stranger to the delights of Cuban cuisine. But, yes, ham more broadly. This might Be a hot take for you guys. I don't know if you're ready for it. Ham might be the best breakfast meat. Ham. Oh, we had ham last night at the holidays, like. Oh yeah, there's some leftovers in the fridge. I know everybody does this with turkey. Get that ham out there, slice off, chip some off there, drop it into a pan. You can thank me when you get down from cloud nine.
Dave D'Amosek
If you want your rib rolls to go cold, just say Tom Barrasso around Dave Danishek and he will spit all over them for 45 minutes.
Tony
Did you say Tom Barrasso?
Dan Le Batard
He could do the same thing with the Penguins. No, I thought this was just a Steeler affliction.
Tony
Silly, silly Dan.
Dave D'Amosek
Tom Barrassa was shook when the rats were thrown.
Dan Le Batard
They threw so many rats at him. All I think of him is him hiding in the net. Because Panther fans were throwing rats at you the last you were any good at hockey.
Dave D'Amosek
Great goalie fight in that series too.
Tony
Oh, people, people on the banks of the three rivers are still raw about Tom Barrasso letting in two, not one, but two terrible goals.
Dan Le Batard
He was hiding in the net from people throwing rats at him. He's a coward for eternity.
Mike Ryan
Hold on.
Tony
That was very sad. That was a terrible day for the, A terrible window for the NHL because for some reason the NHL decided, hey, all these talent efficient teams, let's try to close the gap a little bit against our high end stars and let them clutch and grab through neutral zone.
Dan Le Batard
You lost the Panthers with Lemu and yer.
Tony
It was, it was, it was.
Dan Le Batard
Believe Bara was hiding in the net.
Tony
It was very sad. Believe me. I, I'm not still fully over it that, I mean the NHL lost our eyeballs lost out with that one. The Florida Panthers went to, went to play in the Stanley cup.
Dan Le Batard
And yer.
Dave D'Amosek
Lindro's on his way and the famed Adam Oates.
Tony
We could have had. Don't you understand? You could have had had the greatest player of the century, Mario Lemieux and all of his pals out there against the Colorado Avalanche, the new stars of the NHL, Joe Sakic and otherwise that would have been a showdown for the ages. Instead we got the Panthers sort of, sort of stealing the credibility of the sport and almost literally crush. It's not the Panthers fault, it's the New Jersey Devils fault. They just adopted that talent free style of play, clutching and grabbing that just about killed the sport. Thank goodness then that Sidney Crosby made the scene in the early parts of this century. And that brings us to today where Roy Is still. Is still flush with emotions having seen what 87 looks like up close. Dominant is what he looks like.
Dave D'Amosek
I've seen him up close before, many times. It's just game nine in the regular season. Get out of here. I mean, he delivered. I literally joked around, say, hey, say Tom Barrasso. And he won't stop talking to you. And that's exactly what he did.
Dan Le Batard
So football America goes up in what, two hours? It's the fourth hour of the show today, and it is on Fridays, every Friday and Monday. Thank you, Danishek.
Mike Ryan
Wait, I want to just confirm one thing. Can we talk about the time when the seventh game of the Stanley cup finals was held hostage by terrorists and a security guard from a broken marriage with his children in the stadium had to save the day? You remember that one?
Tony
Do I remember it? I mean. I mean, the thing that really I don't understand. Pittsburgh is. Is right there on. On the Edge is the gateway from the rugged northeast into the more pleasant Midwestern vibes. It sits right there on the edge of all of that. And yet Hollywood targets Pittsburgh and its teams over and over and over again. I mentioned it the last time we talked, and it's going to come up again. Heaven Can Wait. Who does Warren Beatty beat in overtime?
Dan Le Batard
Goodbye, the Pittsburgh Steelers.
Tony
Black Sunday is the super bowl in Miami.
Dan Le Batard
Get out of here. That's enough. Dam. That's enough. Okay, Damek, before you leave the natural.
Tony
Who does Roy Hobbs.
Mike Ryan
Luke Robot for?
Dan Le Batard
I still wanted to ask him.
Tony
Then those shards of glass start falling down. He doesn't get mobbed, but out in the outfield, those shards of glass are dangerous and they're falling down. On who? Pittsburgh Pirates outfielders. What did Pittsburgh do to you? Show business.
Dave D'Amosek
Flanagans and Kendall. Presented by Miller Life.
Dan Le Batard
If ask him about Heaven Can Wait at the block party and you will stay there throughout the remainder of the football season with this guy blowing nacho breath in your face, talking about a 1976 movie. Heaven can Wait.
Tony
Wait. Ham breath.
Dave D'Amosek
See, say Jason bay around him and see if he can get him to be quiet.
Dan Le Batard
Say the delicious ham treat that you had when you were down here. Say the word. Say the breakfast word that you had when you were here. Say it.
Tony
Croqueta.
Dan Le Batard
Better Football America. Dan, in about an hour. Thank you, Dzek.
Tony
Go Dolphins.
Podcast: The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Episode: The Big Suey: Ham-and-Egger (feat. Dave Dameshek)
Date: October 24, 2025
Guests: Dave Dameshek
Theme Location: Elser Hotel, Downtown Miami
This episode of "The Big Suey" delivers the show's trademark mash-up of irreverent sports analysis, pop-culture debates, and comedic banter. With Dave Dameshek as featured guest, the crew discusses the intersection of sports and politics in the Terry Rozier arrest, launches into a zany Quentin Tarantino character draft, debates sports "GOATs," and riffs on everything from NFL "what-ifs" to the sociology of breakfast meat. The conversation stays lively, silly, and often subversive, keeping the show’s offbeat tone throughout.
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Main Takeaway: The crew expresses outrage over the performative nature of Terry Rozier’s public, shackled arrest and critiques the media and institutions for their role in politicizing such events, particularly when it serves to further stigmatize athletes of color.
Dave Dameshek's Contrarian Take:
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Institutional Distrust:
Dameshek’s Contrarian Take on Arrest:
Nostalgic NFL Bribery Gone Wrong:
Tarantino Draft Silliness:
GOAT Debate: Hockey Insults:
Food Insult Navel-Gazing:
Dameshek on Pittsburgh Sports Monologues:
Ham Evangelism:
Pittsburgh in Hollywood:
This episode is a great example of the Dan Le Batard Show’s unique blend of sports culture, comedic improv, weird hypotheticals, and authentically odd personalities. You’ll get fresh angles on current sports controversy (the Rozier arrest), a loving skewering of “greatest of all time” debates, deep dives into niche sports and movie trivia, and an extended love letter to both Pittsburgh and cured meats.
Listen if:
You enjoy an unconventional, freewheeling take on sports, aren’t afraid of side tangents, and want a podcast that’s as likely to debate breakfast foods as quarterback legacies.