The Big Suey: HE HAS TWO!

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Big Suey: HE HAS TWO!

Podcast Information:

• Title: The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
• Hosts: Dan Le Batard, Stugotz
• Episode: The Big Suey: HE HAS TWO!
• Release Date: November 20, 2024
• Location: Elser Hotel, Downtown Miami

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1. Introduction

In this episode titled "The Big Suey: HE HAS TWO!", Dan Le Batard and Stugotz, along with contributors Mike Ryan, Billy Gill, and Amin Elhassan, delve deep into the tumultuous season of the New York Jets. The discussion is anchored around the team's underperformance, ownership issues, and quarterback controversies.

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2. New York Jets' Season Under Scrutiny

A. Underperformance and Coaching Changes

The hosts express disappointment over the Jets' performance, highlighting the team's inability to meet expectations despite high hopes at the season's outset.

• Dan Le Batard (02:46): "We have failed again as a show, as we often do not to bring you immediately or more immediately."

The abrupt firing of both the coach and general manager is criticized, with speculation about owner Woody Johnson's interfering nature exacerbating the team's struggles.

• Dan Le Batard (03:04): "Woody Johnson is the rare person who has both first and last name. That would be a reference to penis."

B. Aaron Rodgers' Decline and Possible Replacement

Aaron Rodgers' declining performance is a focal point, with the hosts questioning his future with the Jets. The discussion touches upon whether Woody Johnson’s intervention after week four—potentially benching Rodgers for Tyrod Taylor—was a misstep.

• Mike Ryan (04:08): "It's the first time I've been okay with anything Woody Johnson has ever done."

• Dan Le Batard (04:42): "You're only okay, though, because everything that's happened since has been an unmitigated disaster that can only put at the feet of Aaron Rodgers."

The consensus leans towards Rodgers' tenure being untenable, given the subsequent collapse in team performance.

• Amin Elhassan (05:56): "Regardless of what could have happened, the tenure here in New York is over."

C. Ownership Interference

Woody Johnson’s hands-on approach is heavily criticized as a destabilizing force within the organization, leading to inconsistent decision-making and eroding trust among players and staff.

• Dan Le Batard (07:18): "I don't know what's wrong with Robert."

• Stugotz (07:08): "How did Wood become Woody? I don't know how Wood became a middle name."

3. Broader NFL and Ownership Dynamics

A. Comparison with Other Franchises

The hosts draw parallels between the Jets and other NFL teams like the Dallas Cowboys and Cleveland Browns, emphasizing how wealthy owners often mismanage teams despite having substantial resources.

• Dan Le Batard (08:22): "Many of these people who are wildly wealthy that you credit with being brilliant because they're wildly wealthy, are fools about how to run things."

B. Coaching Careers and Market Appeal

Discussion about the attractiveness of coaching positions in large markets is explored, with skepticism about whether the Jets genuinely offer a coveted job despite their current struggles.

• Mike Ryan (10:30): "Only because this is the most talented the jets have ever been."

• Dan Le Batard (11:17): "You can't be in it. If you need to get a good quarterback to make your team good, it means you're not actually close."

4. Thanksgiving and Holiday Football Conversations

The hosts shift to lighter topics surrounding Thanksgiving football traditions, including discussions about prime-time game slots and personal anecdotes about watching games during family gatherings.

• Dan Le Batard (15:00): "What happened? They stopped that too."

• Stugotz (21:00): "Amin, what is your thanks date? You are not really a giant football guy, right?"

Humor and relatable experiences about balancing holiday festivities with football viewership are shared, adding levity to the episode.

5. Fun Segment: Athletes' Names That Connote Penis

A comedic segment ensues where the hosts and contributors compile lists of athlete names that unintentionally have connotations related to male anatomy. This part is laden with jokes and playful banter.

• Dan Le Batard (22:50): "Jake Michaels. He's a pro."

• Billy Gill (24:05): "Number five, Dick Butkus."

The segment showcases the hosts’ chemistry and ability to infuse humor into their discussions, providing a break from the heavy analysis of the Jets’ season.

6. Conclusion

The episode wraps up with continued discussions about the Jets' slim playoff chances and the unrealistic expectations placed on the franchise due to its market size and ownership style. The hosts reiterate their skepticism about the team's management and future prospects.

• Billy Gill (35:36): "We are."

• Dan Le Batard (36:02): "Thank you, Jeremy, for catching that."

The conversation emphasizes the bleak outlook for the Jets unless significant changes are made in leadership and strategy.

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps:

• Dan Le Batard (02:46): "We have failed again as a show, as we often do not to bring you immediately or more immediately."

• Mike Ryan (04:08): "It's the first time I've been okay with anything Woody Johnson has ever done."

• Dan Le Batard (07:18): "I don't know what's wrong with Robert."

• Stugotz (21:00): "Amin, what is your thanks date? You are not really a giant football guy, right?"

• Billy Gill (24:05): "Number five, Dick Butkus."

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Closing Remarks: This episode of The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz offers an insightful and critical examination of the New York Jets' ongoing struggles, highlighting issues of ownership interference, quarterback performance, and organizational instability. Coupled with humor and engaging banter, the hosts provide a comprehensive overview of the team's challenges while maintaining an entertaining and relatable dialogue for listeners.

Transcript

[Dan Le Batard]

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[Stugotz]

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[Dan Le Batard]

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[Mike Ryan]

[e-mail] Welcome to the Big Sui presented by DraftKings.

[Dan Le Batard]

Why are you listening to this show.

[Mike Ryan]

The podcast that seems very similar to the other Dan Le Batard podcast? I'm sorry, I'm not going to apologize for that. In fact, the only difference seems to be this imaging.

[Dan Le Batard]

I have been tempted in restaurants just walking past tables to grab somebody's fries if they're just there. That hasn't happened to you guys.

[Mike Ryan]

I've done it. And now here's the Marching man to Nowhere Fat Face and the Habitual Liar.

[Dan Le Batard]

We have failed again as a show, as we often do not to bring you immediately or more immediately. Stugotts is tears through laughter because of everything that is happening with his New York Jets. I don't think any of us had correctly predicted that the way that Aaron Rodgers to New York would go would be one season loss after four plays and nothing positive. And then the second season resulting before you've gotten to the two thirds point of the season. The firing of both the coach and the general Manager and now reported details in the Athletic that make it sound like you've got an owner who is more meddlesome than any of us ever knew. Woody Johnson is the rare person who has both first and last name. That would be a reference to penis. I think Dick Pole is the only other one in. Anywhere in sports.

[Billy Gill]

I think Dick Harder.

[Amin Elhassan]

I'm on it.

[Billy Gill]

Former NBA assistant coach.

[Mike Ryan]

That's right. Yeah.

[Dan Le Batard]

Dick Carter.

[Billy Gill]

Harder.

[Mike Ryan]

Harder. Yeah.

[Stugotz]

Schlong Wiener.

[Dan Le Batard]

Where did he play? Tell me more. About 1880 second baseman for the Cleveland Spiders.

[Stugotz]

Yeah.

[Dan Le Batard]

Spider. You knew Long Wiener.

[Mike Ryan]

Longy Spider.

[Billy Gill]

He played at Morehead State.

[Dan Le Batard]

Woody Johnson is the actual name of your owner. Both of his names are a reference to penis. He is meddlesome. He is somebody who has some of that reputation. But even you had to be surprised by some of the details in the Athletic. Now, I don't know. There were like eight bullet points I saw on just meddlesome behavior that suggested. And this is true in a lot of pro sports hell, Amin can tell you this in Phoenix, where you can have an organizational structure that is otherwise sound, and the owner's just a crazy person who likes to play with his toys and just makes a mess of things because he wants to change the quarterback on you. One of the details that I did not read in that story but saw elsewhere on the Internet, that I don't know if it's true or not, that I would like verification on. Did Woody Johnson really go in after week four of this season and want Aaron Rodgers benched in favor of Tyrod Taylor?

[Amin Elhassan]

That's what he read.

[Mike Ryan]

Yeah. Yeah. It's in.

[Stugotz]

It's in the New York Times article.

[Mike Ryan]

He. He talked about it with Robert Salah and Joe Douglas. They said, no, you'll embarrass Aaron if you do that. I actually, in this particular case, I praise Woody Johnson for walking into that office realizing that there is something off with Aaron Rodgers. He's not playing as well. He's getting old and having the audacity, as the owner of the jets, to suggest to the coach at gm, hey, maybe there's a guy sitting on our bench that gives us a better chance to win. I'm okay with that. I am. It's the first time I've been okay with anything Woody Johnson has ever done.

[Dan Le Batard]

Well, you're only okay, though, because everything that's happened since has been an unmitigated disaster that can only put at the feet, be put at the feet of Aaron Rodgers. Like, now, in hindsight, the way that you said yesterday that the thought of Michael Penix is the second best rookie quarterback in the league. The thought of what the Jet ceases could have been without Aaron Rodgers now looks better because you've seen what the season has looked like with Aaron Rodgers. So nothing could be quite that bad.

[Stugotz]

According to that article, the argument back.

[Amin Elhassan]

From the coaches in the GM was.

[Stugotz]

That basically the entire team would be.

[Amin Elhassan]

Confused as to what was happening.

[Dan Le Batard]

Oh, thank you, Izzy. I was feeling really tight.

[Stugotz]

I appreciate you giving me a little oil there. But the reality is is that they.

[Mike Ryan]

Were worried the entire team would just.

[Stugotz]

Sort of abandon Chip and quit if.

[Mike Ryan]

Rogers was immediately benched after just four weeks of poor performance. But that's why Salah got fired a week later.

[Stugotz]

The jets were also two and two at the time. Like, there's no way you would have been okay with that happening. Now, granted, they went on to lose 1, 2, 3, 4 more after that loss. So they lost five straight. Yes, but had they lost those five straight with Tyrod Taylor, you'd been. You would have been crushing them. Like, what are we doing? Why did we bring in Aaron Rodgers to have him on the bench? To have Tyrod Taylor playing to lose five straight games? It's just the results is why you're fine with it.

[Amin Elhassan]

Regardless of what could have happened. What we can now, and you touched on this earlier, Dan Assess is the tenure here in New York because it's over. He's not coming back next year. This is from SNY's Connor Hughes. He said it's very clear the organization is going to find a new quarterback. The Aaron Rodgers tenure with the jets is going to be over. They're not going to find a coach handpicked by him. If you pay attention, he really only went there because Nathaniel Hackett was there. Hughes suggests he didn't want new. He wanted the same old familiar and didn't get that. And besides judging his New York jets tenure, you can also look at his personality a little further and say, hey, maybe he was his own worst enemy in Green Bay and he absolutely should have won more than one Super Bowl.

[Stugotz]

I think one of the questions that nobody asking is, Woody Johnson is the fourth and his name is Robert Wood Johnson the fourth. So his middle name they decided on is going to be Wood just W o o D. And not just that, he's the fourth one. So four people in his family have the middle name Wood and possibly another one. How did that become a name? Because I always assumed it was Woodrow Johnson, but it's. No, it's, it's Robert. I Guess there's a Bob and a Bobby already since he's the fourth. And then they said, you know what? We're going to stick with Wood as a middle name, and you're just going to be Woody.

[Dan Le Batard]

All good questions, Billing, none of which we have the answer to. As I stare blankly at you. I don't. I don't know how Wood became Woody. I don't know how his name became Woody.

[Stugotz]

I can guess how. How Wood became Woody. I don't know how Wood became a middle name.

[Mike Ryan]

Wood was the middle name. They made him Woody.

[Dan Le Batard]

You can. You can guess. Yes, you can guess how Wood became Woody. You can't know for sure why Robert was replaced. I. You don't know, as we sit here, how it is that all of this escalated to. He preferred Wood and Woody to Robert. I don't know what's wrong. Wrong with Robert.

[Stugotz]

I know why Robert Salah was replaced.

[Dan Le Batard]

Well, one of the details in the story is that he fired Salah without telling anybody, without consulting anybody.

[Mike Ryan]

He did that a week later after he suggested that Aaron be benched. And everyone dismissed it because he. He suggested benching Aaron and he got pushed back.

[Stugotz]

So he's like, you know what? I'm doing this one on my own.

[Mike Ryan]

So, Billy, I understand your point. They were 2 and 2 at the time, but they would. That was coming off the 10 to 9 loss to the Denver Broncos revenge game against Nathaniel Hackett. Aaron Rodgers played terrible. And maybe what he said to himself, because I know I was thinking it. Is he injured? Did something happen in week two? He's not moving as well. He's not playing as well. And then maybe Woody took a look at the schedule because it got really difficult after that and said, hey, Tyrod Taylor might be a better option.

[Stugotz]

That Broncos lost. Not that bad in hindsight.

[Dan Le Batard]

Do you guys realize as we celebrate America's most popular sport only getting larger at every turn, that many of these people who are wildly wealthy that you credit with being brilliant because they're wildly wealthy, are fools about how to run things? Just fools. Jerry Jones was all in. The jets thought this was a Super bowl team. Yeah, like that. The Cowboys thought they were a Super bowl team.

[Billy Gill]

That's my favorite part about all this. It's not, hey, we're not as good as we, you know, we should be. It's. You start the season, I'm feeling good. I feel like we could do it this year. This is my whole thing about people calling NBA teams tanking. Like at least four or five years ago. A lot of those Teams thought they were going to be good. They actually thought, hey, guys, this is our year. We could actually make a pretty good run. And then by January you realize, oh, we suck. And then they just start playing young guys or whatever. But that's. That's the hilarious thing about both the Cowboys and the Jets. The jets literally sat here for an entire offseason saying, man, if. If he hadn't gotten hurt last year, ooh, but we about to show him this year. We about to. Do you remember that Thursday night game?

[Mike Ryan]

Yes, but they said it last year. Hold on.

[Billy Gill]

Do you remember the Thursday night game?

[Mike Ryan]

Yeah, of course.

[Billy Gill]

Aaron Rodgers threw it all over the field. And you guys are like, we got a quarterback.

[Mike Ryan]

Yeah.

[Billy Gill]

Yes, like seven years ago.

[Amin Elhassan]

But that was the confusing part, though, is because they said going in, hey, we're a quarterback away. And now you're saying, no, no, we're any quarterback away. Let's put in Tyrod Taylor.

[Mike Ryan]

Tyrod Taylor away. Which is really, really funny. The whole thing with Joe Douglas, all of this is. Is actually really fascinating because Joe Douglas, Douglas, who was fired, he put together a roster that was good enough, where Aaron Rodgers at least wanted to come and play for the New York Jets. Like, he got some really good players. He could just never land the quarterback. So I got Quinn and Williams, Quincy Williams. He got Sauce Gardner, Breeze Hall, Will Anderson, Garrett Wilson. Got all those guys to the draft. All of those guys. That's why this is kind of a coveted job right now. Only because this is the most talented the jets have ever been.

[Dan Le Batard]

Oh, I don't know how coveted the job is when you don't have. It's coveted a quarterback. You need to have a quarterback, Dan.

[Mike Ryan]

It's more, I don't care about the jets and, you know, and the history. I know what a wreck of a frame franchise. It is a coveted job.

[Dan Le Batard]

Mr. Godz, the jets have lost more than any team in the sport since 2017. That guy's their owner. This story reveals to everybody what it is to work for that guy. That kind of mismanagement is reflected in the standings. And you can tell me they have talent. They do have talent, but being a good quarterback away means you're not in it. Like, if you need to get a good quarterback to make your team good, it means you're not actually close. If you've got to find one of those. When those are really hard to find.

[Mike Ryan]

I understand everything you just said, but it's market number one. And the New York jets and plenty of people will want that job. Rex Ryan among them.

[Dan Le Batard]

I will tell you that a division that has Josh Allen at the top of it at his age, when you've lost as much of the jets do and have and have that kind of dysfunction, like, yeah, okay, head coaching jobs are coveted jobs. But if you want to win, like if I'm Belichick, I don't want to go there. If you tell me I've got to win again without a quarterback, no thanks. Tried that at the end. Didn't work with the Patriots.

[Mike Ryan]

If they draft his son, you think Dion wants to go there? How about that?

[Stugotz]

Right now they're sitting. Right now they're sitting at 7. And you know, as the season goes on and they get worse, they will move up in the draft order so they can address it in the draft. Also, remember in Minnesota right now, Sam Darnold's playing on a one year deal. No, J.J. mcCarthy's coming back. Sam Darnold's going to need a new home.

[Mike Ryan]

Nope.

[Stugotz]

I mean, there could be a little homecoming here in New York.

[Mike Ryan]

Stu.

[Amin Elhassan]

It can't be that coveted of a job if your owner is telling your coach to bench the quarterback. Like when you have that type of owner, no coach is going to be like, yeah, I want to be a part of that.

[Mike Ryan]

I would look at that owner today and say, that man's a genius. He saw what none of us saw. He saw a tough schedule and a quarterback hobbling around at the age of 40 and said, you know what, Tyrod Taylor.

[Stugotz]

There also is the unique situation with Woody Johnson where, like, he may be an ambassador next year. So he may not actually be there. So you may not have to deal with Woody Johnson.

[Billy Gill]

Hold on. Aaron Rodgers might be an ambassador?

[Mike Ryan]

I think he's just jealous.

[Billy Gill]

The government, wow. Then they got to deal with each other again in like another ambassador's gotten it up.

[Dan Le Batard]

I don't know. Okay, put it on the poll at Lebanon show more likely to be an ambassador next year. A political ambassador. Woody Johnson or Aaron Rodgers.

[Billy Gill]

Do you guys understand we're at a place where the American government might feature not one, but two people from the.

[Chris Cody]

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[Billy Gill]

Oh man, I've been singing a song to myself all morning long. Breakfast flan dun stugach. Have you never heard the Breakfast Flan song?

[Mike Ryan]

No.

[Chris Cody]

Hit me with it.

[Billy Gill]

Okay. I wish I had some breakfast flan. Breakfast flan. Where can I find a breakfast like that?

[Stugotz]

This is the Dan Levatar show with these two gods. Are we getting the Space Force back? Did we lose the Space Force? Remember when that was a thing?

[Billy Gill]

It was a great show on Netflix.

[Stugotz]

Yeah. What happened? They stopped that too.

[Billy Gill]

Could ask Roy Wood next week.

[Dan Le Batard]

I like that show, but it was as a lot of things are going away now. I don't know if people are paying attention to this the way that it that they should, but the way that Hollywood and media and everything are shaking, some of the things that you love most are going to be harder and harder to come by. Because corporations don't actually want to make anything interesting. They just want to make things that they know that are palatable to you, like the flux and the change and how. Wait till you get a load of how many of those University of Florida documentaries you get that don't actually tell you the parts of the story that you want to hear about.

[Stugotz]

Because.

[Dan Le Batard]

Because corporations do not want to offend these leagues. They don't want to bother these leagues that they want to get the live streams from. So you're not going to get interesting content anywhere. You're going to get sanitized content all over the place. But I would watch a documentary on this jet season if you show Me, the innards. And I don't think people know how common what Woody Johnson is doing there is. Because I know people like to think of the idea of an owner being a leader who's hands off and then trust the people that he hires to be good at their jobs or to do their jobs. But these are rich people with toys, man. And it's some of their favorite toys. They're not gonna sit out the decision making.

[Billy Gill]

That's why he bought a team. He bought a team so he could inject his voice in the store, so.

[Mike Ryan]

He could stroll into the GM's office and say, hey, I think we should bench Aaron.

[Dan Le Batard]

They all have a little Jerry Jones in them. They're just a lot better at hiding it than Jerry Jones is. Because he wants to be on your sidelines.

[Mike Ryan]

Can't believe he didn't get his way. An owner walking in and then being.

[Stugotz]

Told something and being like, okay, you're right.

[Dan Le Batard]

Let me tell you the experiences I have of being an owner and not getting my way. It's every single day. And when I tell people, they laugh in my face just like that every time I say to them, I thought when I was in charge, I was going to be in charge. And it's just guffawing laughter every time.

[Amin Elhassan]

You can't bench Cody. Come on.

[Dan Le Batard]

Woody Johnson doing that to the jets makes for such great soap opera to read about in that market. The Giants can have their quarterback situation implode more quietly than the jets can fire a general manager because of how messy we saw the innards of the Giants on Hard Knocks. That doesn't give you a lot of confidence in Giants leadership. Didn't me.

[Mike Ryan]

Anyway, with the Giants, though, their quarterback's demise is a celebration. No one wants Daniel Jones there. Like, he got that contract off of one playoff victory and one good game. So Giant fans are actually looking forward to getting rid of Daniel Jones. Jeff, fans legitimately thought we were finally going to win a Super bowl like we did.

[Stugotz]

The best parts of the Giants on.

[Mike Ryan]

Hard knocks were the GM's kid telling them that they should go for Jaden Daniels. Yes. And he was right.

[Dan Le Batard]

That's the thing about this stuff. We make fun of Cleveland's owner when he's. When he's talking to an unhoused person on the street and then hiring Johnny Manziel. But if Manziel had been great, that unhoused person would be running the Patriots right now.

[Stugotz]

I mean, in fairness, they didn't get a chance to draft him. It didn't fall to him. And he told his son, like, eh, it's probably not still going to be around for us but.

[Mike Ryan]

And he took Malik neighbors.

[Stugotz]

Yeah. Do you think Fox is pissed at the Giants Cowboys matchup on Thanksgiving day? Like, and it's like prime Thanksgiving football because like the 820 game, which is the Dolphins and the packers this year is kind. I don't know if you guys experience Thanksgiving Day the same way I do. The night game is kind of like, I'm sleep, I'm beat. Like I. I will watch you, but it's going to be like off in the distance, like I am all this tryptophan or whatever it's called, you know, you've had enough. Exactly. I'm stuffed. Like it's coming out of all of my pores. This one's going to be on the.

[Mike Ryan]

Phone in the bathroom.

[Stugotz]

Yeah. Like 8:20 is late on Thanksgiving. I'm stuffed. Okay. But the 4:00 is usually like, okay, 12:00 is a little appetizer. Parade's done. Getting ready to go where we're going to go. 12:00 we have it on as we're kind of getting dressed, ready to go. 4:30 is like prime time game. Like, okay, we're eating. I might miss a quarter. We're footballing right now. I might miss a course because I'm watching football. And the 4:30 football game that we're going to get now is Tommy DeVito versus Cooper Rush.

[Mike Ryan]

Oof.

[Dan Le Batard]

Billy, is there any way they should flex it out?

[Mike Ryan]

They really should.

[Dan Le Batard]

Is there any way that I can convince you daily to try and summon from the recesses of your mind something like that that speaks for all American sports fans on a truth so singular that everyone nodded and agreed with by the late game on Turkey Day, I'm done and the television is far away and it's foggy and I'm like footballed out and turkey doubt and fogged out and stuffing doubt and. And I'm Chris Cody watching the game in the bathroom on my phone to hide from my kid and my wife because he's had too many beers, he doesn't want to be seen and he's just sort of catching the third quarter of Cooper rush against Tommy DeVito sweating.

[Stugotz]

Gravy at that point because only because.

[Dan Le Batard]

He'S bet the game, though there's no circumst would watch it, not even for his job. It's only because he's got over 23 and a half in the first half and CD Lamb over 65 yards is why he's hiding in the toilet from his family on a day for thanks. You're.

[Mike Ryan]

It's a rough day though.

[Dan Le Batard]

It is.

[Mike Ryan]

I'm with you.

[Stugotz]

Well, this year we have 8, 20. We have to pay attention. It's dolphins before 30. That's the crap game when everybody wants.

[Amin Elhassan]

To be watching game swap.

[Stugotz]

Yeah.

[Dan Le Batard]

Amin, what is your thanks date? You are not really a giant football guy, right? You are.

[Billy Gill]

I'm a Giants football guy.

[Dan Le Batard]

But you are not someone who celebrates football on Thanksgiving, are you?

[Billy Gill]

Oh, it's on. I mean it's on the tv, you know. There's nothing else really on TV on Thanksgiving, is there?

[Mike Ryan]

Like, it's all like.

[Dan Le Batard]

I love. One of my favorite things is just scroll through the channels on your Sunday. The counter programming to football as everyone gives up. Like you've got some local. Some local psychic from. You know, Hialeah is on television selling you herbs for programming.

[Mike Ryan]

Yes.

[Dan Le Batard]

It's so great. It's the programming around football that doesn't want to compete for compete with football is just giving away hours of television.

[Stugotz]

I love how NFL Network often will put the Thursday night game on at.

[Mike Ryan]

1:00 just hoping that somebody realize it. And it's just like, oh, football's on.

[Stugotz]

All right, I'll leave it here. You have the dog show usually right now. It used to be It's a Wonderful Life, but then the dog show replaced It's a Wonderful Life. After the parade, of course. History Channel probably has a forge and Fire marathon going on.

[Dan Le Batard]

Can you find for me in your files? Stu got a top five athlete name who connote penis. Please. Top five athlete names that.

[Amin Elhassan]

How do you give that list to Stu? Not me. I'm here.

[Dan Le Batard]

We're going to get to a back in my gay with you in a second. We're not. This is Stugatz's specialty. Look at. He's on your corner. St. Got. You got to run him off your penis corner. Your wiener corner. It's your corner. It's got your name on it.

[Mike Ryan]

Luther Head.

[Dan Le Batard]

Is that number five or is that a line?

[Mike Ryan]

I only have one more, right? What do you mean?

[Billy Gill]

I didn't write that.

[Mike Ryan]

No, Amin wrote that down.

[Dan Le Batard]

I'm sorry, I thought I got.

[Billy Gill]

I got.

[Dan Le Batard]

I got a sheet that says I have top five athlete names that canopenis and it was over here. I thought you handed it to me.

[Mike Ryan]

Dick Paul.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yes.

[Mike Ryan]

I'm super impressed.

[Stugotz]

Pretty impressive of a student.

[Mike Ryan]

Dude, he's a pro. Jake Michaels.

[Billy Gill]

He's a pro.

[Dan Le Batard]

Ladies and gentlemen. I'm sorry. Any Oli? You mean Ricky Boner?

[Billy Gill]

A bunch of olives. You know what I love? Stugotts hasn't said one on my list. This is great.

[Dan Le Batard]

Ricky Bohner is not a player. Ricky Bonus is. But Ricky Bohner was not a player.

[Mike Ryan]

I know.

[Billy Gill]

What do you call more than one boner Bonus?

[Mike Ryan]

A couple of boners coming up. All right.

[Billy Gill]

Oli. Willie Long.

[Mike Ryan]

Excellent.

[Billy Gill]

Oli. Chen. Ming wang. Oli. Dick McBride.

[Dan Le Batard]

Just somebody named Dick Oli.

[Billy Gill]

Fat Lever. That one's subtle. And Oli, is it really Fat Lever.

[Dan Le Batard]

Wait a minute. Wait a minute. You think it's subtle? So let me be clear on what you. Oh, wait a minute. Let me be clear on how you define subtlety. Just to be clear. Yeah. So you think saying someone's got a fat dick is subtle?

[Billy Gill]

Well, I don't think his name is Fat Dick. His name is Fat Lever.

[Stugotz]

Yeah, he didn't say that.

[Billy Gill]

That's the subtlety. Dan oli. Roy McPipe.

[Dan Le Batard]

That's not a real name.

[Billy Gill]

That's a real name. All right, here we go. We're in the top fives. Number five, Dick Butkus.

[Mike Ryan]

Nice.

[Billy Gill]

Number four, Jake Glasscock. Gotta be careful with that one. Number three, Magic Johnson.

[Dan Le Batard]

That's a good one.

[Mike Ryan]

I had Lane Johnson.

[Billy Gill]

Number two. Number two, Dick Trickle.

[Dan Le Batard]

Did I steal that one?

[Amin Elhassan]

It says Dick in it. It's not even connotation.

[Billy Gill]

What do you think a Dick Trickle is?

[Mike Ryan]

I had Dick Vermeil.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah. He likes the butt kicks, too. It's just. You're just saying people named Dick number one. I mean, it's not a real game.

[Billy Gill]

Number one, Chubby Cox. Well done. Subtle.

[Mike Ryan]

Yeah. First and last.

[Dan Le Batard]

How is there no Randy Johnson?

[Mike Ryan]

Big unit?

[Dan Le Batard]

He has two. He has two. That is correct. That is correct. That is. That just reminded me the day after my brother's birthday. What you shouting? He has, too. Is somebody. Something that someone shouted? My brother ran through the backyard during football games because he did not like sports, wearing nothing except the prosthetic double dog. He'd run through the backyard doing that. The character was named Mysterio and somebody. He was 48 years old. He was about 35. I'm not even kidding. You guys were talking when I came on here in a little bit late today. You guys were saying that I should have helicoptered in because I was stuck in traffic and there was a vehicle fire out there. That was very frustrating. I don't know how many. I haven't been late to work very often in my life. I don't know that there are a lot More frustrating feelings for me than just being stuck in traffic late to a responsibility.

[Mike Ryan]

Imagine how they felt.

[Stugotz]

I was going to say your car on fire would be pretty frustrating.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah, I imagine they had it a little bit worse than I did. Just being frustrated and honking at them.

[Billy Gill]

I told you. With his trunk.

[Dan Le Batard]

But you said I should have helicoptered out there. And you referenced the story on Catalina island. Because I did that when I got seasick, I helicoptered back. You think that story is recent, though? That was in college. Like, I went.

[Mike Ryan]

I had a chopper.

[Dan Le Batard]

I went into debt. To not be seasick. Like, it's not like I had money to do that. It's. That's how bad it feels to be that kind of seasick.

[Amin Elhassan]

That's what drove you down your career path, the need to repay all that just from that one helicopter trip.

[Billy Gill]

Like Jay Leno, man.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah, they are expensive. I do think, though, Stugots, that football is pausing to laugh at the jets today for fooling themselves into thinking that this was a Super bowl season. After however many years of dysfunction there have been, you are just numb again. You've already gone through the stages of grief, of being mad at Aaron, wanting him off your team, being disappointed with the whole thing and not having a quarterback. But you're still talking yourself into the idea that it's a good job to have, that coaches would want to have the jets job, as if there's something appetizing there.

[Mike Ryan]

I just think it's the biggest market in the country. Country. It's the Jets. I understand that they've had. Eventually a coach is going to come in there and he's going to get it right and get it done. Rex Ryan merely made it to two AFC Championship games and he's beloved by Jet fans. And maybe it will be a guy like Rex Riot. I am done with Aaron Rodgers. The year I was looking forward to was not this year, it was last year, before the Achilles tear. 40 years old after the Achilles. While I had hope after week two because he played a really good game and they were two and two, as Billy pointed out at one point. I'm just done with him. He's clearly not the same quarterback. I don't know if he'll ever be the same quarterback. I'm certain he, devonte Adams, will go somewhere next year and win the Super Bowl.

[Dan Le Batard]

This. Meanwhile, while Billy Gill tells you and tells anyone who's listening to God bless football and anyone who's listening in this office that the Dolphins are firmly in the mix, they are in the mix that the jets are behind them. I'm just repeating, they fell out of.

[Stugotz]

The mix, the jets, last week.

[Dan Le Batard]

Well, the jets are out of the mix.

[Stugotz]

We're at the moment.

[Dan Le Batard]

Wait a minute, wait a minute. That can't be. At the moment, you're either in the mix or you're out of the mix.

[Mike Ryan]

Now you can go out of the mix and climb right back in.

[Stugotz]

Back with the mix.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah. No, but you can't be. You can't get back in the mix after firing your coach and your general manager.

[Stugotz]

It's an uphill battle. I. Too soon with the hills, but. Uphill battle, right?

[Mike Ryan]

I mean, six and five is. Is the seven seed right now. And the jets are sitting at three and seven. The Dolphins are sitting at four and six. They're right there.

[Billy Gill]

Dan, you know, you've heard of the dead coach bounce. This is the dead GM bounce. You know, you fire GM and then the team gets riled up and they start winning games as a result.

[Stugotz]

I saw a graphic. Pro Football Network has them at 24% chance to make the playoffs. That's not bad.

[Billy Gill]

That's not bad.

[Stugotz]

Who's that, the jets or the Dolphins?

[Mike Ryan]

Dolphins.

[Billy Gill]

Oh, never mind.

[Stugotz]

What do they have the jets at? I gotta look.

[Dan Le Batard]

Okay, That's Billy's expertise right there asking you the question. You don't have an answer, but usually it is that you ask the question and then the answer doesn't come back and someone's got to do work for you. That's usually the way that one goes.

[Mike Ryan]

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[Mike Ryan]

Ch chick fil a waffle fry.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah, we can get mine.

[Billy Gill]

Love it.

[Stugotz]

I mean, nah. I think it's an overrated fry.

[Mike Ryan]

You guys go ketchup or Chick Fil? A sauce when you have the Chick Fil? A fry.

[Chris Cody]

Polynesian sauce.

[Billy Gill]

Polynesian. That's my brother right there.

[Mike Ryan]

Good call.

[Dan Le Batard]

You're my brother. Stugatz.

[Billy Gill]

Oh my God.

[Mike Ryan]

What a weird interaction. Wow.

[Stugotz]

This is the Dan Levatar show With these two gods, the jets aren't a completely undesirable job. Like, their biggest problem right now is their quarterback. The problem is that's the most important position. Like you know he's gonna be gone, but you don't know who's gonna be there. Which is why it's a tricky situation. But like to Stuttgart's Point, they have a lot of young pieces that are gonna be there for a little bit. They just need to get, get a quarterback to make it work. And honestly, it almost seems like any serviceable quarterback with any amount of structure in the organization will do better than what's going on here because they're just catering to Aaron.

[Dan Le Batard]

Okay, but just before this, we were saying certainly Aaron Rodgers or anybody would be better than Zach Wilson would be at the position. If they just had someone better than Zach Wilson at the position, they'd be a Super bowl champion. And here they are with a worse winning percentage than they had when they had Zach Wilson.

[Amin Elhassan]

Aaron Rodgers, according to Billy, isn't even serviceable as the quarterback. Like that's where he is.

[Dan Le Batard]

I am startled that you guys are making the argument on behalf of the jets being a good job because of big market and pieces when the best job there is is go stand next to wherever Joe Burrow is. Go stand next to wherever it is the great quarterbacks are. And those are the safest jobs to not have a quarterback. I'd be real hesitant, given what I just saw, to happen to the end of Belichick's career where I'm like, huh, when he had the quarterback, that seemed like it went pretty well. And then when he didn't, it seemed like everything fell apart and now he's unemployed and he's supposed to be the best. Good quarterbacks are hard to get.

[Amin Elhassan]

You don't think that gives you a little longer leash if you go in as a young coach that they think highly of but say, hey, oh, he doesn't have a quarterback, let's give him a couple tries with different quarterbacks.

[Mike Ryan]

I find long leashes to be overrated. I don't like them. You try to walk the dog, all.

[Stugotz]

Of a sudden they're running around a mailbox and you got to do the thing.

[Billy Gill]

Where can we be honest about Bill Belichick, by the way? Has it all fallen apart for him? He's got a 24 year old fiance.

[Mike Ryan]

He's doing fine.

[Billy Gill]

He's doing fine. He's on tv, he's roasting people.

[Mike Ryan]

He'll get a job.

[Billy Gill]

He's going to get a job. It'll be better than the job he had. He's doing great.

[Stugotz]

Do you think so, guys? Do you think that the jets job is better than the Bears job that'll be available or the Cowboys job?

[Mike Ryan]

The Bears come with the same kind of stuff, finicky fan base, years of losing. It's probably a better job just because of Caleb, Right. Like the idea of having Caleb Williams to me makes it a better job. But it's interesting. The jets will have a draft pick and a high draft pick. I have no idea how good the quarterback class is coming out of college, but I am attracted to the idea of Deion and Shador Sanders coming together. New York, we're desperate.

[Billy Gill]

We are.

[Mike Ryan]

You make fun of us all you want. Okay. I don't get. Today's just another day. You can make fun of us if you want. I don't care. I will. I woke up today. I felt the same way today as I felt yesterday and the same way I felt for the last 40 years. It's a lousy organization run by a lousy person who's a terrible owner and they can't find a head coach, a GM and a quarterback. They are a disaster. Laugh all you want. To me. Just another day.

[Stugotz]

To answer Billy's question, the jets have an 8% chance to make the playoffs. Still in the mix.

[Mike Ryan]

Yeah.

[Dan Le Batard]

To answer little outside the mix. It is outside the mix. Yes.

[Stugotz]

What do you have to be at 10% to still be in the mix? Double digits.

[Mike Ryan]

I like 15.

[Stugotz]

Okay.

[Dan Le Batard]

I feel like it's got to be over 25%.

[Stugotz]

Oh, well. The Dolphins are out of the mix. You just moved that because you knew the dolphins were 24.

[Dan Le Batard]

I think I feel like you got to be. To be in the mix. You have to be among the percentages that are in the three quarters. You can't be in the quarter that's not in the three quarters.

[Amin Elhassan]

Olm makes no sense.

[Mike Ryan]

Damn. Someone noticed.

[Stugotz]

We just blew right by that outside looking mix.

[Dan Le Batard]

Thank you, Jeremy, for catching that. I do appreciate that it. It is Stugotti sneakiness that would make him sink into. I hope no one notices that you even said it. Yeah, that's fine.

[Chris Cody]

Just repeated it.

[Dan Le Batard]

I did.

[Billy Gill]

Amazing.

[Dan Le Batard]

I did. Thank you, Jeremy. You're absolutely fine.

[Amin Elhassan]

It's an amazing show we have.

[Dan Le Batard]

You know what? I do deserve that fine. I'm going to pay that fine and a couple of others.

[Mike Ryan]

Really?

[Stugotz]

Rams are at 15%, so they're out of it.

[Billy Gill]

What's the fine you're paying here?

[Dan Le Batard]

I am paying the fine. I just by habit repeated the initials that don't make sense because I wasn't truly listening to Stugant.

[Mike Ryan]

Oh, thank you.

[Dan Le Batard]

And so. And I also owe for calling FUBU or F. Fubo. Fubu last week. And I also called Derrick Henry, Derek Harvey. I went to eighth grade with Derek Harvey, so.

[Billy Gill]

Oh, word. Yeah, just eighth grade.

[Mike Ryan]

Look at Me Louie.

[Dan Le Batard]

I don't believe that that's a Look at Me Louie. I think I need a. I need a new sound here just for name drops. Can you guys get me a new one? Because we're filing a lot under look at Me Louie. And it's not all look at me Louie. So get me something that just sounds like a name dropping and then a big sound of something. No, not that one. Stop annoying people with that.

[Billy Gill]

Is Derek Harvey Black.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yes.

[Billy Gill]

Oh, man. I'm almost 100% on these, man. You give me a name I know immediately.

[Amin Elhassan]

Stu dropped a name earlier that I thought is the perfect answer for the jacket. And those are Sanders'I. Mean, isn't that how you deal with sort of an obtrusive or an owner that just wants to have his hands on everything is just give him a coach that's gonna say, hell no, I'm not listening to you.

[Billy Gill]

Well, he had that and then he fired him.

[Amin Elhassan]

In who?

[Billy Gill]

Robert Salah?

[Mike Ryan]

I don't know Salah has that kind of reputation. I mean, Deion can command that kind of respect from Woody.

[Billy Gill]

I'm telling you. Yes, at first, this is how it works with all these owners. At first, yes. And then at some point, no. Think about Jerry Jones. He had Jimmy Johnson. Jimmy Johnson's ultimately, I'm a winner. Shut up. Let me do my thing. And at some point, Jerry Jones.

[Dan Le Batard]

Nah.

[Billy Gill]

Like when you. You gotta think about the mentality of a billionaire. How many times in a day, forget about football, just in your day, do you hear the word no? Right? Like there's no. There's no part of it. Also, you think the reason why you have a billion dollars is because you're the smart guy. And everyone said we couldn't do it, but I found a way to do it. So you're telling me that this guy who's got billions of billions of dollars, who thinks he's right all the time, who's also an old white man, is going to let Deion Sanders. It must be the money. Come in and talk about, I brought my own luggage and it's Louis and all that stuff. Yeah. At first he's going to be enamored because of the star quality, but at some point, Deion is going to say or do something that Woody doesn't like, and when that point hits, he can tell him, hit the bricks.

[Dan Le Batard]

I would go another route with that. If you believe in general that one of these kinds of people who have this money are going to turn over that kind of power to a quarterback family, a Coach, quarterback, family, come and do that here.

[Mike Ryan]

He just turned it over to Aaron Rodgers.

[Dan Le Batard]

Understood. Much, much easier to do it to one old guy who's been an mvp, who looks like you and might act like you, than to do it with Deion. And you turning over the entire identity of your franchise over to this person, you're turning over your entire family legacy with this sports team is being handed over to somebody you can't control. Don't know how he's going to talk. Don't know when he's going to fight you. And he's just gonna be as comfortable as Salah telling you no, when you wanna put Tyrod Taylor in the game. But I wanna get to what Amin said here, where Amin said Belichick's doing just fine and then for some reason did the 20 year old fiance thing. When I'm talking about his reputation as a coach, you cannot tell me it did not take a hit the moment he did not have a quarterback anymore. And we watched what it is that that quarterback did. And then we watched the next cycle of employment in coaching leave him not being able to get a job because the Falcons, they preferred. Are you kidding me?

[Mike Ryan]

Yeah. Dan is right about this. I wrote an entire chapter about Belichick and Brady in my new book, stugatzbook.com, stugatz's Personal Record. Belichick was exposed the second Brady left him. I mean, I mean, you have to admit that.

[Billy Gill]

First of all, shout out to the book, make sure you get it.

[Mike Ryan]

Thank you.

[Billy Gill]

Second of all, with regard to Brady. Yes. When you, when you compare him to Brady.

[Mike Ryan]

Yeah.

[Billy Gill]

Like people are wondering, is it Belichick or is it Brady? Is it Belichick or is it Brady? And now people feel like, I don't even know if that's the correct answer, but people feel like it was Brady and not Belichick. Having said that, Dan, he's been sitting this year doing tv, doing stuff with the Mannings, and shitting on all of these teams left and right. He's gonna get a job. He's back. He's not gone forever. He's not Jon Gruden excommunicated.

[Dan Le Batard]

No, he's gonna get a job, but he's not going to again make the mistake of thinking he's responsible for all the winning. And he can make any quarterback go 11 5. Wait a second. He's not gonna make that mistake again.

[Mike Ryan]

Wait a second. But if he goes to a place like Jacksonville and suddenly turns Trevor Lawrence into, you know, a Hall of Fame quarterback, now the conversation with Brady and Belichick changes.

[Dan Le Batard]

You don't have Trevor Lawrence. You've got a 40 year old quarterback and no quarterback for him.

[Mike Ryan]

I said if he went to Jack Jackson.

[Dan Le Batard]

I know, but we're talking about the jets job and whether that's a good job or whether somebody would want that job.

[Billy Gill]

Dan, he got the jets job before and quit before he even did the press conference. He knows the jets job is cursed. There's no saving the Jets. We're not saving the Jets. We're talking about Bill Belichick. We talk about how he saves his reputation and I like this to God. Wait, if he goes to Chicago, does he have the same sort of flip?

[Mike Ryan]

Maybe, yeah. With Caleb. But here's the place he should go. Because if he could flip this quarterback, he's the greatest coach ever. Carolina. How about that?

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah.

[Amin Elhassan]

Here's what I'm finding about Bill Belichick and whether or not he's engaged. Apparently he's been shopping for engagement rings for his girlfriend of 24 years.

[Stugotz]

I'm not.

[Amin Elhassan]

Sorry. 24 years old. Not of 24 years. Has proposed yet. There's a secret marriage trip planned.

[Billy Gill]

There you go. Look, things are going great for Bill Bell.

[Dan Le Batard]

How secret is that marriage trip if it's planned?

[Stugotz]

If Izzy knows about it?

[Amin Elhassan]

I mean, Izzy's plugged in via the US Sun.

[Stugotz]

I don't know what that is.

[Dan Le Batard]

You can't trust that. Wait a minute. What do you mean, wait a minute?

[Mike Ryan]

Who can you trust these days, Dan?

[Dan Le Batard]

Trust the US Son.

[Amin Elhassan]

Engagement rings first thing on Google when I search for it. Why can't I?

[Dan Le Batard]

You can. Top story that is not incredible.

[Chris Cody]

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