The Big Suey: Is The NHL Better Than The NBA?

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Big Suey: Is The NHL Better Than The NBA?

Episode Information:

• Title: The Big Suey: Is The NHL Better Than The NBA?
• Host/Author: Dan Le Batard, Stugotz
• Release Date: December 18, 2024
• Description: From the Elser Hotel in Downtown Miami, Dan Le Batard, Stugotz, and company delve into discussions on sports, pop culture, and more. This episode features the daily “Local Hour,” focusing on the South Florida scene, the Big Suey segment, and various surprises.

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1. Introduction and Host Gratitude (00:43 – 02:50)

Dan LeBatard opens the episode by expressing heartfelt gratitude towards his co-hosts and team members. He reflects on the show's longevity of over 20 years and the professional blessings that come with maintaining a loyal listener base.

Dan LeBatard (02:40): "After four very, very difficult years, that I love you guys and I am super grateful to be able to do all of this with you."

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2. The Big Suey Debate: NHL vs. NBA (03:00 – 24:47)

A. Current Performance and Celebrations

The discussion kicks off with the Milwaukee Bucks' recent victory over Oklahoma City, highlighting their subdued celebration compared to the Los Angeles Lakers' festive champagne popping. This moment serves as a segue into comparing the cultures and managerial decisions within the two leagues.

Dan LeBatard (03:40): "The Bucks just won and then didn't do any celebrating."

B. Load Management and Player Health

A significant portion of the conversation centers around the NBA's load management practices versus the NHL's demanding schedule. Izzy Gutierrez criticizes the NBA for resting players, suggesting it detracts from the sport's integrity and fan engagement.

Izzy Gutierrez (24:04): "When Doug River said that with that voice, I thought to myself, yeah, that's why his voice sounds like that. He's been seeing the throat guy."

C. All-Star Game Formats

The hosts compare the NHL's International Cup to the NBA's revamped All-Star formats, labeling the latter as "gimmickry." Chris Cote emphasizes the NHL's authentic approach, which he believes enhances the sport's appeal.

Greg Cody (33:21): "The NBA is struggling to reinvent itself with the NBA cup in season tournament. They're losing ground."

D. Fandom and Team Success

Amin Elhassan and Izzy Gutierrez discuss the Florida Panthers' sustained competitiveness and its impact on local fandom, contrasting it with the Miami Heat's fluctuating performance and waning fan interest. The Panthers' recent Stanley Cup victory is lauded for boosting the sport's profile in South Florida.

Greg Cody (34:38): "The Panthers are a big deal in town and getting bigger all the time."

E. Physical Toughness and Entertainment Value

The conversation delves into the physical demands of hockey compared to basketball. Izzy Gutierrez praises NHL players' toughness, citing the Florida Panthers' resilience and commitment during high-stakes games.

Izzy Gutierrez (25:08): "The Florida Panthers have players putting themselves through physically demanding games that define their season."

Chris Cote argues that the NHL offers a more "entertaining product" due to its emphasis on physicality and less on strategic rest periods, which he believes enhances the viewing experience.

Greg Cody (33:35): "It's a much more entertaining product. It really is."

F. Organizational Decisions and Market Impact

Dan LeBatard and Greg Cody discuss the Miami Heat's management decisions, including the potential trade of key players like Jimmy Butler, questioning the team's future direction and its implications for the NBA's standing in the region.

Greg Cody (33:46): "Trade Butler if you get anything for him before the February 7 deadline. Because why not?"

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3. Interspersed Banter and Segments (Throughout the Episode)

Throughout the episode, the hosts engage in lively banter, including playful arguments about co-hosts' charitable efforts, toy drives, and gift wrapping. These segments, while entertaining, occasionally divert from the main discussion but add to the show's dynamic atmosphere.

Billy Corben (10:11): "Someone has reached out to me personally and they said that they got wind of you wanting to match every toy that was donated."

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4. Conclusion and Final Thoughts (38:00 – End)

As the episode nears its end, tensions rise during a heated exchange between Izzy Gutierrez and Amin Elhassan regarding the comparative merits of the NHL and NBA. Dan LeBatard attempts to mediate, emphasizing the importance of moderation and respect amidst passionate debates.

Dan LeBatard (38:38): "This escalated quickly. The holiday festivities have gotten off to a fiery start."

Ultimately, the hosts reaffirm their appreciation for both sports leagues while acknowledging the NHL's current edge in providing a more engaging and physically demanding product compared to the NBA's evolving but sometimes criticized strategies.

Greg Cody (35:17): "The Miami Heat have been spinning wheels for two or three years. They need to break up this big three right now."

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Key Takeaways:

• NHL vs. NBA Performance: The NHL is currently perceived as offering a more authentic and physically engaging product, whereas the NBA grapples with strategies like load management that may detract from fan experience.

• Fan Engagement: The Florida Panthers' success has revitalized hockey fandom in South Florida, contrasting with the Miami Heat's inconsistent performance impacting basketball enthusiasts.

• Organizational Strategies: Effective management and genuine engagement with the sport's core elements are crucial for maintaining and growing a fan base, as evidenced by differing approaches in the NHL and NBA.

• Cultural Impact: The physical toughness and regional loyalty in the NHL contribute to its rising popularity, suggesting a shift in sports preferences within certain markets.

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Notable Quotes:

• Dan LeBatard (03:40): "The Bucks just won and then didn't do any celebrating."
• Izzy Gutierrez (24:04): "When Doug River said that with that voice, I thought to myself, yeah, that's why his voice sounds like that."
• Greg Cody (33:21): "The NBA is struggling to reinvent itself with the NBA cup in season tournament. They're losing ground."
• Izzy Gutierrez (25:08): "The Florida Panthers have players putting themselves through physically demanding games that define their season."
• Greg Cody (35:17): "The Miami Heat have been spinning wheels for two or three years. They need to break up this big three right now."

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Conclusion:

In this episode of The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz, the hosts engage in a spirited debate over whether the NHL currently outshines the NBA in terms of product quality, fan engagement, and organizational integrity. Through real-world examples, passionate arguments, and insightful commentary, they present a compelling case for the NHL's superior appeal in the present sports landscape.

Transcript

[Dan LeBatard]

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[Billy Corben]

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[Greg Cody]

Welcome to the Big Suey, presented by DraftKings.

[Dan LeBatard]

Why are you listening to this show.

[Greg Cody]

The podcast that seems very similar to the other Dan LeBatard podcast? I'm sorry, I'm not gonna apologize for that. In fact, the only difference seems to be this imag.

[Dan LeBatard]

I have been tempted in restaurants just walking past tables to grab somebody's fries if they're just there. That hasn't happened to you guys.

[Greg Cody]

I've done it. And now here's the marching man to nowhere Fat face and the habitual liar.

[Dan LeBatard]

At the at the risk of going syrupy on you guys during the holidays, I am looking right now at six people. I cannot see Roy here and his Santa stoic Santa face. But I will say in the most heartfelt of ways after four very, very difficult years, that I love you guys and I am super grateful to be able to do all of this with you. Such a great professional blessing and to be surrounded by gifts everywhere, but none greater than the ability to still do this show with you guys this long into 20 years and still have it be something that people want to listen to. So in the most heartfelt of ways, as if no one was watching during the holiday party season, I just. You guys, I'm super grateful for just us. Well, you know, mostly you guys and also, also the occasional other. I mean, I can hear him in the other room. I can hear Izzy in the other room. I can hear all the people on the outside of this room looking in, wondering, well, what about. What about the gratitude for us, right? Oh, well, I is exactly right. Billy, what have you placed behind? Because I do want to get to Greg Cody. There's so much I want to get to. I want to get to Greg Cody. Gift wrapping. I want to get to. Amin and Izzy have all sorts of takes that they are firing. Oh, now Tony's here too.

[Greg Cody]

Tony's upset. Lucy is upset.

[Dan LeBatard]

Everybody wants to get their shots off. They're all in the other room waiting to get their shots off. While I profess my gratitude to this group of people that is right here sitting with me right now.

[Billy Corben]

It's fine. There's spectrums of love. You just love them less. That's okay.

[Greg Cody]

Yeah.

[Dan LeBatard]

So how can we use them for our entertainment now, as employees of this company who serve.

[Billy Corben]

I wouldn't phrase it that way.

[Dan LeBatard]

Well, let's. Let's start with a meme. Let's start with a mean out there, shall we? Let's give Amin a microphone and let's get him to celebrate whatever it is that he wants to celebrate here in a victory lap. Because, I don't know, he was in Vegas stealing company money, and he went for that cup that. The buck surprised me yesterday. I didn't know that OKC could be held to 81 points. I didn't know that was a thing.

[Amin Elhassan]

So when it's in Vegas.

[Greg Cody]

Yeah.

[Dan LeBatard]

Yeah. So. But it's a very important cup that not a lot of people care about. And then the people do care about it get very mad at the people who don't care about it for not caring about it enough. Even though it's an invented, contrived cup. To make us more interested in regular season games that the players sit out.

[Greg Cody]

Yeah. Stupid.

[Amin Elhassan]

Yeah.

[Billy Corben]

I mean, did the Bucks even take it home?

[Dan LeBatard]

They didn't do the celebration.

[Billy Corben]

They didn't want the champagne. Their coaches like, ah, let's not do that.

[Dan LeBatard]

How about that? Doc Rivers learning from Darvin Ham and the Lakers celebrating with champagne. There are photographs out there of champagne unopened because the Bucks just won and then didn't do any celebrating.

[Amin Elhassan]

Darvin Ham is a perfect 140 in the NBA Cup.

[Greg Cody]

The greatest NBA cup coach ever.

[Dan LeBatard]

I mean, we're going to go here to Amin in a second and see what his victory lap looks like. But the game last night was something that Amin cared about. And I'm finding a hard time as we just got done talking about hockey. And we just got done talking about how your allegiance is a change for sports. Izzy's a basketball guy and now he's a hockey guy. And Mike's tired. Mike's out here telling you, tired of this core. Done with it two years ago. Don't want to do this team anymore. I've given up on where that franchise is. While it's this other one that's giving me all manner of hope. Izzy is the smiling face of changing allegiances. Allegiances. What are you laughing about, Billing?

[Billy Corben]

Nothing. Just, you know, heard a joke.

[Amin Elhassan]

I felt like high school all over again. Care to share with the class?

[Greg Cody]

Izzy, get out of here. He doesn't Love you.

[Amin Elhassan]

I think I know what you were laughing at before.

[Dan LeBatard]

Now I know it was concealed.

[Greg Cody]

You weren't supposed to talk.

[Dan LeBatard]

And then it revealed to be. I do think I now know what he was laughing at. Yes.

[Billy Corben]

Found one of those blueies at Walmart, by the way.

[Greg Cody]

Oh, yeah, yeah. Expensive.

[Billy Corben]

Looking for the football.

[Dan LeBatard]

Wow. We'll get back to that. We'll get. We'll get back to that. Dollars, please. Use Roy visually like that the remainder of the show where he just pops in staring at us confused from the toy drive. Dolphin Mall. Izzy, how have your allegiances changed in terms of you're somebody who grew up here around me and Cody. You know what? Before I get to that, let me ask, is he something else? Because this is a bet. This. This will make for better drama. I felt in the last segment. I don't know if the rest of you did Greg, Cody, bristle when I dared to put Dave Hyde at his side as second best.

[Greg Cody]

Neck and neck is what you said.

[Dan LeBatard]

Yeah. I don't know if you guys felt it, but there was a little feeling now for sure. Okay, so let me.

[Izzy Gutierrez]

Let.

[Dan LeBatard]

Let me cover this ground for the audience because this is good ground, right? This is good ground. Greg and I got in a lot of trouble with Howard Schmid Schnellenberger and Hank Goldberg and Bob Griesi because at the Clevelander pool at Marlins park, we celebrated our longtime mentor, Edwin Pope, as the most legacy soaked columnist in the history of this market. The party was supposed. I think they thought it was going to be awake. Schnellenberger came with patches on his elbows, and we've got, you know, drunk people jumping in a pool. They've had too many drinks. Because I decided open bar at the Cleveland.

[Billy Corben]

What else? Had very little to do with Edwin once it got started.

[Chris Cote]

Yeah. They did have a proclamation from the city. City, though, calling it Edwin Pope night or something.

[Dan LeBatard]

Okay. You gotta be careful with Greg Cody. Eulogies, funerals, he'll make them about himself. That's what happened that night.

[Amin Elhassan]

Mayor showed up like luminaries left and right. It was actually a really cool occasion.

[Chris Cote]

It was, yeah.

[Dan LeBatard]

But it was too messy and festive for the people who were gathered in the memory of somebody who was a distinguished pillar of professionalism.

[Amin Elhassan]

And Bob Griesy was pissed.

[Chris Cote]

He was mortified.

[Dan LeBatard]

Who was angriest? Was it him or Schnellenberger? Who was the angriest?

[Chris Cote]

Because Ty for first.

[Greg Cody]

Really? Neck and neck, huh?

[Dan LeBatard]

Okay. But I will say that Izzy learned like you learned and like I learned. Edwin Pope is the Columnist in this.

[Chris Cote]

Town, yeah, he's the king. Always will be.

[Dan LeBatard]

The things he says were the things that mattered. Anyone who comes after him here in this market learned from him, Dave Hyde included. But I'm putting Greg Cody second. And he's bristling. He doesn't think Dave Hyde. I think of him as 2A and 2B. Dave Hyde.

[Greg Cody]

Jesus.

[Dan LeBatard]

They're competing newspapers.

[Greg Cody]

Who's A? Who's B?

[Dan LeBatard]

They've had very parallel careers.

[Greg Cody]

Is Greg A? It's important, Dan.

[Amin Elhassan]

I mean, the Herald's top dog.

[Mike Ryan]

Does Hyde have a trademarino column? No, I think not.

[Billy Corben]

Does he have a Miller Light sweater?

[Chris Cote]

Come on.

[Greg Cody]

Right.

[Chris Cote]

Thank you, Billy.

[Greg Cody]

Can he rap?

[Stugotz]

That's where I come in on this.

[Chris Cote]

Can he rap? There you go. Rap, rap, rap. They call him the rapper.

[Dan LeBatard]

All right, Greg, go ahead and start rapping. I don't think you can multitask where you're wrapping that gift and doing show with us. But I also want to do it around this conversation because I want to quantify it. Greg Cody, in the history of this market, when you pair him against Dave Hyde, I think their resumes are largely equal.

[Stugotz]

Largely equal. It's like an extra medium.

[Billy Corben]

Are you trying to be hurtful?

[Chris Cote]

Okay.

[Greg Cody]

Merry Christmas, Greg.

[Chris Cote]

You're entitled to your opinion.

[Stugotz]

I was a columnist at the same time as both Dave Hyde, and Greg Cody is at the Miami Herald, the paper of record, let's be honest. And there is just something about the weight of a Greg Cody column because, you know, Greg believes it. Like, deep down in his soul, he believes. And this is nothing against Dave Hyde. An absolute, true professional, a wordsmith, knows how to sort of hit some notes with the fans and the readers. But not quite the same as Greg Cody. Sometimes it might just be a roundup column. Hey, how are all the teams in the city doing? But every once in a while, when he hits you with that big energy, that trademarino energy, there's nobody else like him.

[Dan LeBatard]

Greg, can we create optimal conditions for your rapping? Is this good enough for you? It seems like this is a little tight of an area to do this.

[Chris Cote]

Well, this is a little tight, yeah. I should probably be out there, like, on an open desk.

[Billy Corben]

Dan, before Greg goes rapping, he told us how great he was as a rapper. So I went and I collected about six or seven presents for you, and I put them in the back corner to see if you can guess which one of them is Greg's rapping because he did such a great job. Other corner over there, right over your shoulder. Scotts, maybe you want to get them. Then we can kind of assess which one we think is the best wrapped and which one we think is Greg's. So then you'll know also. I'll let you know. Someone has reached out to me personally and they said that they got wind of you wanting to match every toy that was donated. And they told me that they want to donate a Nintendo Switch and ask me how they can send one to us from Iowa so that you have to buy a Nintendo Switch for someone.

[Dan LeBatard]

The toy drive is till the end of tomorrow. It's what I have in my possession at the end of tomorrow.

[Billy Corben]

So this person needs to book a flight and get down here. You need to deliver it in person.

[Dan LeBatard]

Look, we will do this better in upcoming years. This is hastily organized and I have made it. I would like at some point in the future to make. To create so many toys that it costs half a million dollars because our audience. I have to match our audience on toys given during the holidays. But right now, we're at Flanagan's in a parking lot, and we got two days at Dolphin Mall. We got six hours to do this. And whatever it is we raise, I'm telling you, I will then estimate that and match it.

[Billy Corben]

Steve, God's also, in an effort to help, has made it worse because now no one can see any of the gifts as long as you move them closer.

[Greg Cody]

I didn't know what you wanted me to do. I mean, Daniel, they're out of the shot now. You can't estimate a match. You can't do that. You got a match. Dollar for dollar is what you have to do.

[Dan LeBatard]

Okay, so what just happened to. Look, I think that Billy came in here and they. Very carefully.

[Amin Elhassan]

We are never going to close this Dave Hyde loop. I'm telling you, it's. It's done. Over and gone.

[Chris Cote]

I can tell you what. What's what? Dave? No, Dave Hyde and I are friends. I mean, he's debatable, you know, he's taller than I am. Did you give him that?

[Mike Ryan]

Did you invite him to your 70th?

[Chris Cote]

I did, actually. He couldn't make it. He was out of town.

[Greg Cody]

Some friend. Yeah.

[Chris Cote]

Were you there? Stugas? I can't remember. No, I wasn't. But seriously, get his ass.

[Greg Cody]

I'm surprised you remember that.

[Dan LeBatard]

Oh, he'll hold on to those.

[Chris Cote]

I keep notes. Stu guys, up here.

[Dan LeBatard]

Stu guys. If you think he didn't notice that you bailed on his 70th after committing and costing him a meal, you don't know my Least giving friend in the history of charity.

[Izzy Gutierrez]

Very well.

[Chris Cote]

You know, we do. We do charitable work in the Cody household. Yeah, Okay. I don't sign the checks per se, but my wife's a big giver, and since I married her, I get credit for her big giving.

[Dan LeBatard]

No, no, no, no, no. Chris, can we ask Earlene Cody, please, how she would describe if she doesn't have time for us today and can only text us to give us a word or two of what she thinks of your father, her husband, as a charitable person, a person who donates and gives time, energy, sacrifice, spirit of any.

[Chris Cote]

Kind to charity given it all.

[Billy Corben]

In Greg's defense, gift giving and charity involves really two primary parties, the giver and the receiver, both of them playing equal roles. If you do not have the receiver, then the giver is accomplishing nothing. So receiving charity is just as equal as giving charity, I think.

[Chris Cote]

Sure is.

[Dan LeBatard]

We will get in a second to this Dave Hyde loop. I do want to close, but why is Louis behind me right now holding the gifts after Billy tried to produce a segment and then Stugatz for some reason got in?

[Greg Cody]

Yes.

[Billy Corben]

Just trying to close loops. It's just for you to guess which one because they were some nicely wrapped presents to see which one you thought was the best.

[Dan LeBatard]

All right, so let's look at this. Over my shoulder, there are an assortment of gifts. They all look from here to be wrapped roughly the same. I think I would have to closely. More closely inspect what is a. Well, what is. You guys, look. You guys tell me. Pick one. They all look like they're wrapped the same. I can't tell any difference between how it is that they're wrapped. They all look like they're wrapped well, except for this one. Doesn't seem like it's wrapped very well. It doesn't look like somebody put in any effort here. So if I eliminate this one and I eliminate this.

[Mike Ryan]

Eliminate the bag.

[Chris Cote]

Half ass at that bag. Oh, what's that?

[Greg Cody]

What is that, a slab of ribs?

[Amin Elhassan]

I'm sure that person put a lot of thought into that gift.

[Dan LeBatard]

So it's either this one or this one.

[Mike Ryan]

No, no, no.

[Billy Corben]

Well, there's one on the floor, too, I think that has a bow, possibly. Oh, yeah.

[Dan LeBatard]

Oh, there it is.

[Billy Corben]

He mentioned a bow also.

[Greg Cody]

He loves a bow.

[Dan LeBatard]

Yeah, telltale giveaway, fake bow.

[Mike Ryan]

That's actually not his disco balls.

[Billy Corben]

And a bow.

[Chris Cote]

Not a real Christmas bow.

[Dan LeBatard]

Okay. I don't know. Which one is it the brown one?

[Billy Corben]

It's the one that looks like it's.

[Greg Cody]

From a butcher Shop with no bow.

[Billy Corben]

The one that he bragged about how great it was. Not that one. The other one with the rhino on it.

[Mike Ryan]

The one that Stu got's called a slab of ribs.

[Billy Corben]

Looks like from a butcher shop. Is Greg's great ra.

[Stugotz]

Yeah, that was wrapped in store.

[Chris Cote]

By the way, the rhino is actually a white elephant.

[Greg Cody]

Huh?

[Dan LeBatard]

What does it say?

[Billy Corben]

Who's it from on there?

[Mike Ryan]

Also, Greg, what does the to and from say? You're not supposed to put those on the white elephant gifts.

[Chris Cote]

I. I give away nothing.

[Izzy Gutierrez]

The.

[Chris Cote]

The two. If it is indeed a gift from me, which I'm not acknowledging.

[Dan LeBatard]

Wait a minute. This says two from Ricky Martinez.

[Chris Cote]

No, it doesn't. No, it doesn't.

[Greg Cody]

Huh.

[Dan LeBatard]

What does that say?

[Chris Cote]

It says from Rudy Martinez.

[Billy Corben]

Ah, big difference.

[Greg Cody]

That's a fine.

[Chris Cote]

Yeah, it is a fine.

[Dan LeBatard]

Who is Rudy Martinez?

[Chris Cote]

That's for you to figure out. Does he work here? Does he not?

[Dan LeBatard]

Is that like Harry, the guy that was laughing at Lucy? Am I paying or am I paying? Who's. Who's Rudy? Who's Rudy Rodriguez?

[Greg Cody]

Video department.

[Chris Cote]

Dano, who is Rudy Martinez?

[Dan LeBatard]

Is amin ready for his victory lap out there through the holiday party?

[Amin Elhassan]

Is he closing some loops?

[Dan LeBatard]

Is he ready to go? We'll get to Dave Hyde in a second. But is a mean ready. Thank you. Get out of here, Lewis.

[Amin Elhassan]

And we'll get to Izzy's fandom in a second.

[Dan LeBatard]

The Dave Hyde one, though.

[Greg Cody]

Yeah, it's a tough one.

[Dan LeBatard]

Where are you guys on this? Where should Izzy let me put you? In the middle of this, please. There's no bigger fan of Greg Cody than you in the universe. Well, I don't know.

[Stugotz]

Arlene might be.

[Greg Cody]

Yeah, well, no, definitely not around here.

[Dan LeBatard]

No one thinks Greg Cody is better or funnier than you do. True pro Dave Hyde's resume against his resume, huh? How do you stack them?

[Stugotz]

I cannot remember off the top of my head, one singular Dave Hyde impact column that had anywhere near, boy, the impact of Trade Marino. I mean, it's on our wall.

[Mike Ryan]

What's the next biggest one since trademarino, though?

[Chris Cote]

That was a long time ago.

[Greg Cody]

No, we had one last year.

[Chris Cote]

Yeah.

[Mike Ryan]

Corrected.

[Chris Cote]

I'm a fan of Dave Hides. I don't know why it has to be either or.

[Dan LeBatard]

Because you went icy when I dared to put him in the same category as you when I was comparing legends in this market.

[Chris Cote]

Right? No, I think I'm above him. I do.

[Greg Cody]

Right?

[Chris Cote]

And that's not. I. If. If. If he and I were having that conversation, I would be like, dude, I'm Older than you. I've been in the market longer than you have.

[Greg Cody]

What would Hyde say?

[Chris Cote]

I mean, he'd probably say, why are we having this silly conversation? And he'd be right, by the way. He'd be right.

[Stugotz]

Which loop was that?

[Billy Corben]

That we.

[Dan LeBatard]

Did you or did you not go totally icy when I said that, Dave? When I dared to suggest that Dave Hyde was in your class as a columnist in legendary stature in this market?

[Chris Cote]

Well, he isn't. He is in my class as a columnist, and you could argue he's a better columnist than I am, but. Although you'd be wrong. I don't think so.

[Dan LeBatard]

Well, how do you. Well, how do you measure it? How do. If I say awards, who wins more awards?

[Chris Cote]

Dave Hyde has been in the. In the APSC top 10 more often than I have.

[Dan LeBatard]

Wow.

[Mike Ryan]

But who's counting?

[Chris Cote]

Well, I know I've been. I think I've made it three or four times. I think he's made it probably 10 times.

[Greg Cody]

Wow.

[Chris Cote]

No, he's good. He's really good at what he does.

[Greg Cody]

Right.

[Chris Cote]

I probably have a higher national stature largely because of this show. So, you know, there's different ways you can. You can weight it. I think because I'm a protege of Edwin's more directly than Dave is and longer, I think I deserve that stature in this market. But you could make an argument for.

[Greg Cody]

Dave if there's a tie. And let me be clear, I don't think there is. There is no tie. You're the better columnist. You've been doing it longer. You've been doing it better than Dave Hyde. But if there is a tie, I guess it goes to Greg, because he appears on this show once a week. Dave Hyde. He fills in for Joe Rose.

[Dan LeBatard]

That has nothing to do with being a columnist.

[Stugotz]

What about the podcast?

[Greg Cody]

Well, you don't have Dave Hyde in here every week.

[Mike Ryan]

I mean, my dad also more than doubles his Twitter following.

[Greg Cody]

There you go.

[Dan LeBatard]

What's the measurement? Not awards. Well, I'm asking what is the measurement for the longevity? He just gave himself more points for being more at the knee of Edwin Pope than Dave Hyde. I don't even know what that was. Dave Hyde also learned from Edwin Pope. We all did.

[Stugotz]

But who gives out these awards? Because Mick Overrated deserves an award. That column in itself, top two, I would say, of the last decade.

[Amin Elhassan]

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[Dan LeBatard]

Don LeBatard.

[Mike Ryan]

All right, we gotta go back out there. That was big. Wake him up.

[Dan LeBatard]

Uh oh, he doesn't want. He doesn't want to be bothered anymore. Now it's getting tense because he didn't need that. As a result, he needs something that happens. Yeah, you can see him.

[Mike Ryan]

Mother effing. Can we bother? Are we bothering you right now?

[Dan LeBatard]

Turn on your microphone.

[Chris Cote]

My microphone's on st.

[Mike Ryan]

Paint the scene.

[Chris Cote]

The paint the scene is. I got to go to work. Good night.

[Billy Corben]

This is the Dan Levatar show with the st.

[Chris Cote]

It. It's weird comparing us. It really is. You know, it. It's like, be a wrestler.

[Mike Ryan]

Let's go. Lean into this. You're, like, trying to be.

[Chris Cote]

It's me because I know Dave. I like Dave. I admire him. He's very good at what he does, you know, I think I'm very good at what I do. I don't know that we have to.

[Dan LeBatard]

Let's go out to Amin, who is out taking a busy victory lap. I'm sorry I put you in an awkward position. I did that on purpose. I just thought it'd be funny to rip Dave Hyde. He's a delightful man. He wouldn't care at all. Right, Amin? That's not a victory lap. That's. No.

[Amin Elhassan]

This is waiting for you to close this loop for a while.

[Dan LeBatard]

All right, so Amin is there. We need to get. We need to get some basketball analysis. He was very excited about. The Bucks are now cup champions. They didn't bother to break open any of the champagne. They just left the big cart of things for people to carry in and out of a room there. That's how they celebrated winning the cup over okc. I mean, you were surprised, as I was to see OKC held the 80.81points or whatever it was. Give us your update. Still smelling Like Las Vegas.

[Izzy Gutierrez]

Absolutely not, Dan. I wasn't surprised at all. I told you guys. Hey. Everyone was like, hey, this guy, he's a fraud. He's blown more 31 leads than anyone in NBA history. Guess how you blow 3:1 leads? You gotta be up 3:1 to start. No one ever talks about that. No one ever acknowledges, hey, you gotta be pretty good to blow a lead that big. If I was trash, we would never even be up that much. Do I get the thanks? No. Do I get the credit?

[Dan LeBatard]

No.

[Izzy Gutierrez]

Now you ain't want something? Champagne. They brought that champagne out. I said, you know what they're waiting for? They're waiting for us to drink this the next time we lose the game. They were drinking champagne. They were drunk in Vegas.

[Dan LeBatard]

Keep running.

[Izzy Gutierrez]

No way.

[Greg Cody]

Yeah.

[Dan LeBatard]

No way.

[Izzy Gutierrez]

Look, let me tell you something, Dan Levator. This wasn't Blake's fault, it wasn't Giannis fault, and it damn sure wasn't my fault. When is anyone ever gonna say it's not dog's fault, huh? When I died like that one time.

[Dan LeBatard]

Oh.

[Izzy Gutierrez]

Oh, the bucks don't defend. Hey, hey, you guys love Oklahoma City. Guess what? We put them in shackles. They're in the drunk tank down there in Vegas. They still have it left.

[Mike Ryan]

This victory lap is presented by Peloton. Find your push, all right? Find your power with Peloton.

[Dan LeBatard]

Okay. Very well done.

[Greg Cody]

Running in place.

[Dan LeBatard]

Very well done. That's the second time that's happened to you. You can't tell whether it's push or power that you're pushing. I mean, yes, you need to be more. You need to be a little more tired when doing this.

[Izzy Gutierrez]

The.

[Dan LeBatard]

The whole bit.

[Izzy Gutierrez]

I'm Doc Rivers. You think this is easy?

[Dan LeBatard]

Okay.

[Izzy Gutierrez]

Oh, I'm full of energy. You think you hear my voice? I have to talk to my throat guy. I don't know why. I am a throat guy. Does everyone have a throat guy? Am I the only one?

[Dan LeBatard]

He did say he had a throat guy and he had to talk to his throat guy. And it's the only guy in the league that I thought, yeah, he's probably.

[Izzy Gutierrez]

Got a throat guy. I'm doing lunges.

[Dan LeBatard]

Yeah, okay.

[Izzy Gutierrez]

I'm lunging, Dan.

[Dan LeBatard]

All right, good. Who else? Who else? Who else would have a throat guy? When Doc Rivers said that with. With that voice, When Doug river said that, I thought to myself, yeah, that's why his voice sounds like that. He's been seeing the throat guy.

[Izzy Gutierrez]

Apparently not enough.

[Dan LeBatard]

Milwaukee. What do you make of them all of a sudden playing better? Weren't you talking about their schedule yesterday or two days ago?

[Chris Cote]

I heard.

[Izzy Gutierrez]

I heard Abeno Hasta talking about, oh, our schedul was solved. Hey, hey, Amin, how soft was that, huh? That was a hard one. And we gave it to you right up there.

[Dan LeBatard]

Wow. Really, baby? Really? You could have been more subtle than that. Doc, if you're gonna argue with Amino Hassan, you could be more subtle than that. Tell Amin what you really think about his take from yesterday. That the Bucks haven't turned any corners. It's soft schedule.

[Izzy Gutierrez]

Well, first of all, he didn't say that. Let's not get ahead of ourselves. What he said was, every great winning streak, every great record is built on beating up on bad teams. And the true test is, when you get through that, did you build good habits or did you build bad habits? Well, I would say, based on what we've been doing in the NBA cup the last three, four games, we played great defense. Great defense. We've locked them down. We locked up Trae Young. We locked up Jay Gildeas Alexander, Andre Jackson Jr. You don't know who that is, but he's a hell of a player. I'm losing my doc voice, by the way.

[Dan LeBatard]

Okay, all right. We'll come back to you. Yeah, we really appreciate that. I asked for Doc Rivers to berate Amino Hassan. Instead, he made an eloquent argument on behalf of Water Mean said yesterday.

[Izzy Gutierrez]

Hey, I mean, it's a great guy. Okay?

[Stugotz]

Thank you.

[Dan LeBatard]

Appreciate all your help. I wanted Doc Rivers to rip what Amin said yesterday. He's like, no, let me offer some context and be totally fair to what Amin said. Okay? Get out of here. I don't want to hear from you anymore. I don't need. I don't need your nuance anymore. Izzy, I'm sorry you were interrupted before we were saying where it is your allegiances went. I, Mike Ryan, is proudly trotting you out here as the symbolic face of South Florida. I've moved from basketball to hockey.

[Stugotz]

Well, actually, if you don't mind just leaving this loop open for a second, because I'd like to. Chris gets beat up a lot when he misspeaks, right? When he makes mistakes and he just gets tortured all the time by you, mostly Dan, who misspeak, by the way. Stouffer Stovetop. Probably the worst in the history of the show. Chris, read the liner.

[Greg Cody]

Right.

[Stugotz]

Can we do it again for Peloton, please?

[Mike Ryan]

It's victory lap is brought to you by Peloton. Find your push, find your power. With Peloton. You thought it sounds Like a mistake.

[Stugotz]

But it's actually how it's written, and it's easy to understand. If it sounds like a mistake from Chris, it probably is, which is why I just wanted to get out in front of this one, say, not a mistake.

[Chris Cote]

Very nice. Thank you, Izzy.

[Stugotz]

Now, what was the original question?

[Amin Elhassan]

Your fandom. Yeah, your fandom.

[Mike Ryan]

Dave Hyder, Greg Cody.

[Stugotz]

This one's interesting. Definitely Cody. But. So I actually checked in on myself the other day when it was the same day, right, where the Heat lost in overtime to Detroit and the Panthers came back and beat the Oilers. That was one of those deals where I watched the Heat game and was in pain. I actually felt it. I was like, tyler, what the hell are you doing? With five seconds left on the shot clock, taking that ridiculous three. And then I said to myself, all right, let me see if the Panthers can soothe me, because they've never been on the same level. And that comeback win did it for me. I forgot all about the Pistons. I forgot all about Tyler Herro. And it was not just, like, blindly cheering for sweaters and laundry. I know these guys now. I know how they play, and I know how big a win that was in Edmonton.

[Dan LeBatard]

But this is one of the things, though, that is so cool about how fandom grows up and how you get spread thin as a parent and where it is that you outgrow sports or don't or can't. The idea that the Heat lose to the Pistons and symbolically, you're like. Like those three guys losing to the Pistons, it doesn't mean anything. Regular season, playoffs, oh, Jimmy was really good. This is probably all over. This probably doesn't have a chance. And then you tune into the other game and what you're getting, because it's not the Pistons is. No, this is going over there and beating them at their game now, where they score the five goals and they never lose when they score the five goals and you beat them there six to five after making sure that they saw you celebrate all off season with the trophy that Canada would like very much for Florida to. To give up at some point. Like, the bigness of what it is the Panthers felt like made the Heat feel small comparatively, because one of the victories felt like it mattered, and the other one was just sort of signaling again, the redundant end to a. To an era here, really. Because if Mike's given up on Bam, if Mike's out here publicly, get. That's for two years. Stop with Jimmy. Bam, Tyler. It's not good enough. Like, you've lost one of Your chief fans to hockey.

[Stugotz]

And there was no bark off the other night. The thing about the Panthers comparing to the Heat, just when you watch them, one team clearly just won the championship, but still feels like every game is important. While the Miami Heat have done that at least going into the season, labeled it as, hey, every game's important. Jim's going to try to play every game. You know that it's just not the case. You know that they're experimenting with stuff. You know that they're floating around one through six seed and they, they're perfectly happy. Every game doesn't matter as much. So the passion and the want to, to actually experience the game, it's a little different now from the Panthers to the Heat.

[Amin Elhassan]

It's such a great point, Izzy, because their approach to these last few regular seasons is an affront to the uniform that they wear. It runs counterculture and it's not what they sell us. And yet I can't see my best player play because rest day maintenance. It's just get rid of those uniforms. Their approach for many of the most recent seasons has been, let's just get into the tournament. Well, even the play in and then we'll figure it out there. Well, then I'm not going to check in on the regular season if you're going to check out on it.

[Dan LeBatard]

Don't you guys sort of feel, though, I mean, I'm sitting the other day and you've got at my side on their podcast, the OGs, you've got Donna Haslam and Mike Miller whose bodies are just sort of of broken from like working at that military complex across the street where they're saying even 2010 to 2014, hey, that wasn't fun. Like, none of that was fun. Going to work. Pressure, pressure. And we're being run into the ground to create the league of player empowerment that would then allow 10 years later for Jimmy Butler to do. For maintenance in general, to be around a program. You do understand that the power shifted when then Pat Riley went to Vegas and LeBron went somewhere else. Like the power of all that shifted.

[Amin Elhassan]

Get out of here with maintenance programs. You guys remember what the Florida Panthers look like after they lost to Vegas in the Stanley Cup? Do you remember? Like they were neck braces, body parts everywhere. Aaron Eckle, I played with a broken ankle and I turn on the NBA and I got guys on maintenance plans. It's ridiculous. I tuned into the NHL and aside from Mark Stone or like the Tampa Bay Lightning trying to game the salary cap, I'm guaranteed the best Players trying to play and frankly, a much more physically demanding and tougher sport.

[Dan LeBatard]

I can't disagree with you there like that. That, that part. That part is where you can just drag the NBA for load management. Because if you compare my toughness to hockey players, the military is going to pay. Like if you're doing it as hockey players are the standard for what toughness is, then you're asking an inhumane standard from what it is you're expecting from the bodies that play in those uniforms.

[Greg Cody]

But this seems for Mike, and I think he's right about this and he's been saying this for a while now. This is a sport to sport thing. This is about the product of hockey being better than the product of the NBA right now. And it's hard to disagree with that. It's a much more entertaining product. It really is.

[Chris Cote]

Yeah. The NBA is struggling to reinvent itself in a way with the NBA cup in season tournament. Now they're talking about making a tournament of a single day All Star game. Yep. They're just. It's full of gimmickry. They're losing ground.

[Greg Cody]

Yes.

[Chris Cote]

The Miami Heat have been spinning wheels for two or three years. They need to break up this big three right now. You know, trade Butler if you get anything for him before the February 7 deadline. Because why not?

[Dan LeBatard]

Whoa, they're another columnist. Take right there.

[Chris Cote]

Because why not? Yes, why not? He's 30.

[Dan LeBatard]

Blow it up. Why not? Is the.

[Chris Cote]

He's 35 years old. If he has any value and you can get anything for him before February 7, trade him and move on without him. They have to. The. The thing about the Panthers, I was at the championship parade in a pouring rain. The crowd there, you were covered. The crowd there was astounding. Given the weather. It was astounding. This is not a niche sport anymore. The Panthers are a big deal in town and getting bigger all the time. Five years ago, they've had five years of sustained competitiveness and being really good. Kids born five years ago are just now growing up to become sports fans. What do I want to cover? What's. What's a good team? The Panthers are the best choice in town right now.

[Mike Ryan]

Let's not doubt though this market. If they go back to being batting 100%, this isn't like, oh, it's fixed forever.

[Greg Cody]

No, you're right, Chris. But you have no indication. You have to stack cops. That's why you have to do it. But you have no indication the Panthers are going to be bad anytime soon.

[Stugotz]

You'll never get that From Dave Hyde, by the way.

[Izzy Gutierrez]

So let me get this straight. So market has team that wins title and that's what. No shit. No shit.

[Amin Elhassan]

I hear you.

[Izzy Gutierrez]

No, no, no, no. Hold on, hold on. Because there's a million. First of all, hey Greg, what did you think about the NBA All Star format that they're going to do? The new one?

[Chris Cote]

Supposedly it's several games.

[Izzy Gutierrez]

Don't explain it. What do you think of it? Don't explain it. What do you think of it?

[Chris Cote]

I think it's ridiculous.

[Izzy Gutierrez]

It's ridiculous. Pretty dumb, right? Right? Pretty dumb, right?

[Chris Cote]

It's gimmickry.

[Izzy Gutierrez]

Gimmickry, right.

[Chris Cote]

Nobody's asking for it.

[Izzy Gutierrez]

You know who, where they got it from?

[Chris Cote]

No.

[Izzy Gutierrez]

The hockey All Star game. Okay, the hockey All Star format is like that.

[Chris Cote]

I hate it.

[Izzy Gutierrez]

But you guys won the cup, so it's awesome. No, it's awesome if it's hockey because you guys won the cup.

[Chris Cote]

If we're talking about All Star games, they're all terrible. The Pro bowl should be eliminated. The All Star game has been.

[Amin Elhassan]

That's not the right gambit. The NHL totally replaced the All Star game with an International Cup. Like you get to see four nations and those four nations are putting on their best players regardless of the NHL season that they're having. This is not an apples to apples comparison. And to your point, yes, especially down here in this market, fair weather fandom, totally fair. But I do think that this team and its present run of form is making hockey fans that will like to go to an in game experience that if I actually attend, I'm going to see the stars play when they come to my town.

[Izzy Gutierrez]

That takes me to point two. Point two is Mike touts the toughness of the Florida Panthers after game seven. All those guys embraces. So let me get this straight. Headline, players playing in a win for everything, all for an like win or go home scenario, all put it out on the line versus players in a regular season.

[Dan LeBatard]

Wow.

[Izzy Gutierrez]

Oh my God. They really drive.

[Amin Elhassan]

You're showing your ass here. Dude. We're talking. You don't know what players put themselves through.

[Izzy Gutierrez]

No, I'm not.

[Amin Elhassan]

That's not during the regular season.

[Izzy Gutierrez]

My point is. My point is you're touting what they did in a game seven of the goddamn finals as you're comparing.

[Amin Elhassan]

I'm touting what they look like. But I can also tell you I've seen players throat slashed, I've seen a main artery cut and I've seen a guy come back two weeks later. You're pulling examples out of your ass. You showed it with the NHL All Sergeant game, and you're showing it here by not knowing exactly what the NHL players put their bodies through during the regular season.

[Dan LeBatard]

Timeout. Why is it not.

[Izzy Gutierrez]

Hold on.

[Greg Cody]

There's a timeout.

[Dan LeBatard]

No, timeout.

[Izzy Gutierrez]

Number one. I didn't show my ass with the NHL. Also go to 2017 NHL All Star game. Tell me what the format was. It wasn't nations.

[Dan LeBatard]

It was.

[Izzy Gutierrez]

They played by division that represented their divisions. They played in a round robin. That's the ones that did.

[Amin Elhassan]

Is this a red eye that you just called me a motherfucker? Like, what is happening?

[Izzy Gutierrez]

Okay, so you're gonna distract from the point I made?

[Amin Elhassan]

I'm not gonna distract.

[Izzy Gutierrez]

I'm trying to have a level 15 all star game. What do you.

[Amin Elhassan]

The John Scott one. Like, were the fans vote? Like, they very clearly had to change the All Star Game, and that's why we have this amazing Four Nations Cup.

[Izzy Gutierrez]

My point is to call it gimmickry while praising the NHL who were the originators of said gimmickry.

[Amin Elhassan]

You're getting mad at the wrong guy. I didn't call it gimmickry.

[Izzy Gutierrez]

That's what I said. You said I was showing my ass at the All Star Game.

[Amin Elhassan]

You said that right now, dude.

[Izzy Gutierrez]

You said that right now.

[Amin Elhassan]

I'm just opting out of this. I don't what this is.

[Dan LeBatard]

Did he not say getting yelled at.

[Amin Elhassan]

Just because, like, Joel and Pete doesn't play, like, earlier.

[Izzy Gutierrez]

Distract all you want, but you could confirm or deny. Okay, I said that. My bad. I mean, you could do that, or you can distract me.

[Amin Elhassan]

I would, like, lost me at mother.

[Izzy Gutierrez]

Okay, all right.

[Dan LeBatard]

I would like everybody.

[Chris Cote]

Guys.

[Dan LeBatard]

All right, hold on a second. This is what happens when I cancel the fine bucket. I can't get control now.

[Amin Elhassan]

I don't want to see this guy.

[Izzy Gutierrez]

All right, what's the point?

[Dan LeBatard]

Let's hold on a second.

[Greg Cody]

Let him speak.

[Dan LeBatard]

I don't need you coming over and you're talking to the official right now. I've thrown the flag, and I want to clear everyone out. You yelled timeout. Nobody acknowledged your timeout.

[Greg Cody]

It was a 20.

[Mike Ryan]

Let's all gather. I'll say, Dan, what do you got here?

[Dan LeBatard]

I think I got it soon after I showed. You know what? This is the first thing I'm going to do, okay? And I'm not going to. I'm not going to abide anything. I'm just throwing down law here. Okay, Amin, you're going to leave the room right now.

[Izzy Gutierrez]

Oh, no, no, hold on.

[Dan LeBatard]

Wow.

[Izzy Gutierrez]

Hold on.

[Greg Cody]

He doesn't love you.

[Amin Elhassan]

I mean, at least the tone got better.

[Dan LeBatard]

Amin, Amin, just. We'll revisit this because this is real and it's the holiday spirit. You're going to leave for a second now.

[Izzy Gutierrez]

Well, can I hear the rest of the thing before I leave?

[Dan LeBatard]

Amin.

[Greg Cody]

Well, how does he know?

[Dan LeBatard]

Amin, I need you.

[Amin Elhassan]

There's a monitor out there.

[Dan LeBatard]

He can follow am.

[Izzy Gutierrez]

It's cuz. You're going to say something about me after I leave.

[Dan LeBatard]

I mean, I'm on the national airwaves. You'll find out about it international.

[Billy Corben]

Really? Ye.

[Dan LeBatard]

I mean, I need you to leave the room now. And it's only because you're not white or Hispanic, so. Well, I already said it. Now, now, hold on a second. Izzy, I also. Is he. I also need you to leave the room.

[Greg Cody]

He's just.

[Dan LeBatard]

I didn't even get to see. No, but, But, Izzy, it's because you're gay.

[Chris Cote]

What?

[Dan LeBatard]

Oh, wow.

[Stugotz]

So, I mean, fine, I guess.

[Dan LeBatard]

No, no, fine. I'm going to get to. Because we're bringing back the fine bucket. I'm going to bring back the fine bucket. And now there are going to be rules that people abide by because it's gotten out of control where a sports show just broke out after I expressed.

[Amin Elhassan]

Live all the time.

[Dan LeBatard]

I expressed gratitude for everything and everyone that was here. And a sports show just broke out around a hugely defensive Amino Hassan angry that hockey is overtaken basketball in this town.

[Amin Elhassan]

Very angry, which is not even true.

[Dan LeBatard]

Justin. Wait a minute. Mike, Mike, Mike. You don't get the last word.

[Amin Elhassan]

Just because he's out there, I can step out too.

[Dan LeBatard]

You go to. Oh, wow. You go to. You go out there, make up with him. Because you guys were shouting at each other. And for some reason I don't want.

[Amin Elhassan]

To talk to him. He gave me like a pat on the side. Like, we're good. I'm going to need a minute.

[Greg Cody]

But you love him and he's white and he's Hispanic.

[Dan LeBatard]

I know.

[Amin Elhassan]

I'm so straight. I'm so straight.

[Dan LeBatard]

All right.

[Amin Elhassan]

Many are saying.

[Mike Ryan]

All right, if he goes mother bleep, it just comes off different.

[Dan LeBatard]

Okay?

[Amin Elhassan]

Like, I was so rude.

[Dan LeBatard]

I need help with everything that's happening.

[Chris Cote]

It was a mean comment.

[Billy Corben]

Dave Hyde's written four books.

[Greg Cody]

A means to an end.

[Dan LeBatard]

Does that influence. Influence the rankings, Billy?

[Billy Corben]

That's what I'm wondering. I mean, part of them are co signs, right? So like, Greg has his book about the lion, right? But Dave Hyde has swagger Jimmy Johnson.

[Dan LeBatard]

Jimmy Johnson, Yeah.

[Billy Corben]

And then he also.

[Chris Cote]

Yeah, that was a big one.

[Billy Corben]

He also has perfection with Bob Griesy. Then he has still perfect. The untold story of the 1972 dolphins. And then the dolphins at 50. Legends and memories and one trick pony. Some are saying.

[Dan LeBatard]

Wait a minute. If we paired his dolphins at 50 with Cody's 50.

[Chris Cote]

50.

[Mike Ryan]

He got dolphins.

[Greg Cody]

He's fins at 50. Yes.

[Dan LeBatard]

I'm saying if I put him next to each other, I want to do a better. A more empirical measurement of whether or not Greg Cody is better than Dave Hyde. Because our BIA crew thinks so.

[Billy Corben]

I think we have bigger fish to fry right now. Everyone's screaming at each other.

[Mike Ryan]

I have a loop I can close.

[Dan LeBatard]

Yes, please, please. Hey, what is the loop? No, please.

[Mike Ryan]

I texted my mom. How charitable would you describe dad?

[Chris Cote]

Oh, God.

[Dan LeBatard]

Hold on, hold on.

[Billy Corben]

That's long.

[Dan LeBatard]

Hold on, hold on.

[Billy Corben]

That's a lot of reading.

[Dan LeBatard]

Hold on. This is a good. Wait a minute. Greg is now scared because he's been cornered. All right, good, good. Hold on a second. Hold on a second.

[Greg Cody]

Let's breathe.

[Dan LeBatard]

That escalated quickly. The holiday festivities have gotten off to a fiery start. Wow. Again, not what I saw coming. An argument about hockey versus baseball being the trigger because, I don't know, I.

[Billy Corben]

Think you kind of like what's going on today.

[Greg Cody]

It was hockey versus basketball. That's a fun.

[Chris Cote]

Yeah, that's another fun.

[Dan LeBatard]

Sorry. Excuse me. Hey, up, Chris. Can you please tell me what your mother says to the allegation that Greg Cody is one of the least charitable people in the history of charitable finances?

[Mike Ryan]

Okay, so I said, how charitable would you describe dad? She writes, quote, hmm. He is a very sensitive and caring man, but in terms of monetary giving for people less fortunate, he has a low bar of what he thinks is enough money. I would give $100. He would think, 10 or 20 is fine. He lives in 1970s 80s standards of money.

[Dan LeBatard]

Money, huh?

[Billy Corben]

But the gift of knowledge.

[Greg Cody]

Right? And caring. And caring. Yes.

[Chris Cote]

I'm a caring person.

[Izzy Gutierrez]

Yeah.

[Chris Cote]

And. And I've tried to explain it before. My wife is very charitable. Like, she gives to, I would say, easily a dozen causes. Two charitable.

[Amin Elhassan]

Just in your ear.

[Dan LeBatard]

That was just in your ear. Have you forgotten how to do the show? That was a joke told to you to continue charitable.

[Greg Cody]

You could argue they were, I mean, 12 charities. A little bit too much to each, right?

[Billy Corben]

There's a lot going on.

[Mike Ryan]

He laughs at the joke.

[Chris Cote]

He's like, why is Dan stepping on my punchline?

[Billy Corben]

He's supposed to be rapping a present. I think too.

[Dan LeBatard]

You gave him the punchline, you gave him the clothes to the segment. He laughed, took it for himself and didn't share it.

[Amin Elhassan]

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