The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz

Episode: The Big Suey: It’s Woke And It's Gay

Date: November 24, 2025
Hosts: Dan Le Batard, Stugotz, with Chris, Billy, Greg, Mike, Jeremy, George, and others
Location: Elser Hotel, Downtown Miami

Episode Overview

In this lively episode of "The Big Suey," the Dan Le Batard crew dive into the chaos of the NFL season, the transformation of football strategy, and broader pop culture themes—with characteristic irreverence and sharp wit. They grapple with debates over analytics vs. “gut” decisions in coaching, the meaning of head-to-head games, the shifting value of traditional football wisdom, and the notion of “wokeness” in sports logic. The show bounces between NFL storylines, college football controversies, NBA drama, and a running meta-joke about “woke and gay” analytics—lampooning the way language and culture intersect with sports arguments.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Head-to-heads, Analytics, and “Woke and Gay” Football

• Main Segment (04:20–08:42, 14:45–15:59, 18:59–20:25, 39:35–41:12)
  • The core running joke is Dan’s performance-art bit about football analytics being “woke and gay”—mocking people who resist new statistical approaches because they prefer “the old-fashioned eye test.”
  • Dan and Chris spar over whether Indianapolis or Kansas City is “better,” with Dan deferring to head-to-head results and Chris pointing to underlying numbers and probabilities.
  • Notable Quote: “What is happening in college football? Hate to say it… is woke. That’s right. And it’s gay.” – Dan Le Batard (04:42)
  • Greg Cody champions “gut-feel” coaching over data, sparking a debate about whether numbers are ruining “real football.”
  • Dan repeatedly satirizes this debate: “Numbers are bad. Numbers get in the way. Numbers are woke and gay.” (19:00)

2. NFL Recap – Chiefs, Colts, Cowboys, and Aggression

• Key Segment (02:29–14:44, 10:49–14:44)
  • The Chiefs’ comeback win over the Colts is framed as the pivotal story of the NFL week.
  • Analysts debate how much the result tells us about the real strength of both teams—and whether anything matters except for Mahomes saving Kansas City’s season.
  • Chris: “The story of the day is Colts, Chiefs. Can you wrestle it away from them?” (11:10)
  • The changing philosophy around fourth-down decisions is examined, with teams more aggressive than ever.
  • Kickers are now so automatic at long range, making “go for it” decisions logical.
  • Chris on fourth downs: “They’ve all figured out seven is worth more than three.” (21:31)

3. Complaints about Modern Football Logic and Analytics Culture

• Debates about using mathematics (“EPA,” win probability, analytics) vs. gut instinct in playcalling and coaching.
  • Dan: “If you’re going by mathematics and analytics and all that stuff, you don’t even need a person. You need AI to coach you. And I don’t mean Allen Iverson.” (19:40)
  • Chris argues for always maximizing probabilities: “I want the person who will choose the best mathematical path because it's the most prudent route.” (19:08)

4. “Transitive Property” and College Football Rhetoric

• Dan and crew lampoon the convoluted reasoning around college football rankings and “quality wins.”
  • Traditionalists want head-to-head matchups to reign supreme; analytics folks push for more nuanced resume analysis.
  • Running joke ties the “transitive property” to Dan’s satirical “trans issue” (05:13) and alleged “woke” decision-making.

5. NBA Sidebar: Klay Thompson vs. Ja Morant

• Segment (33:25–39:33)
  • The crew pivot to the NBA, discussing Klay Thompson’s public disdain for Ja Morant and the Grizzlies.
  • Chris: “You rarely hear a champion of this man’s credentials so clearly articulate, ‘I don’t respect you.’ And that’s that. Those are the words that cut the most.”
  • Debate about accountability, the challenges of maintaining greatness, and generational divides in the NBA.

6. Are the Bears For Real? NFL Contenders and Frauds

• Bears’ strong record is questioned—are they actually good, or just lucky/benefiting from scheduling?
  • Greg Cody: “The Bears are the biggest fraud in the NFL right now… Their point differential is minus three. Not a good team.” (41:21)
  • The hosts run down most NFL teams and dismiss almost all as “not that good,” poking fun at narrowing the list of “elite” squads.

7. Meta-humor, Sidetracks & In-Jokes

• Multiple comic asides feature impersonations (Ringo Starr, “George Harrison”), in-show penalties (“minor penalty, two minutes, murdering the show”), and recurring gibes about Dan’s alleged eyeliner and makeup.
• Billy, Chris, Greg and others riff energetically on each other, pranking and needling throughout.

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Analytics Satire:
  • Dan (refrain, multiple times): “It’s woke. And it’s gay.”
  • “We can’t get more woke than saying one team is better when they lost a head-to-head matchup. This should scare you.” (08:26)
• On NFL Aggression:
  • Chris: “They’ve all figured out seven is worth more than three. If I’m inside the five, I don’t care what the game situation is.” (21:31)
• On Championship Mentality in NBA:
  • Chris: “You rarely hear a champion of this man’s credentials so clearly articulate, ‘I don’t respect you.’”
  • George: “I don’t think there’s a bigger loser move... than talking trash when you’re in street clothes on the bench.”
• Greg Cody’s Old School Take:
  • “You gotta use the human touch. The field test.” (20:01)
  • “The Bears are the biggest fraud in the NFL right now.” (41:21)
• Dan’s Satire on Modernity:
  • “You want to invoke numbers and computers, they’re coming for your job. That should scare you and your family.” (20:02)

Timestamps for Key Segments

| Segment | Timestamp | |------------------------------------------------------|------------| | NFL, Chiefs vs Colts/Analytics Debate | 04:20–08:42| | Fourth Down Aggression, Modern Football Logic | 10:49–14:44| | Math vs. Gut Feeling Debate | 18:59–20:25| | More on Transitive Property, College Football | 39:35–41:12| | NBA Sidebar: Klay Thompson, Ja Morant | 33:25–39:33| | Bears/Frauds in the NFL | 41:12–43:21| | Ringo/George Harrison Impersonations & Jokes | 28:15–29:36, 43:08–43:36| | Makeup & “Woke” Satire Recurring | Various (esp. 04:42, 19:00, 20:02, 41:12, 43:47)|

Tone & Style

The episode is fast, funny, knowingly absurd, and peppered with inside jokes, mock arguments over real issues, and sharp cultural satire. Dan leads the bit about “woke and gay” analytics with bombastic deadpan irony, while Chris, Greg, and the rest bounce between genuine debate and elaborate clowning. The dynamic is purposely chaotic, and listeners unfamiliar with the show will nevertheless get a strong sense of both the NFL and NBA landscape—and the ways sports talk intersects with wider social commentary.

For Listeners Who Missed the Episode

This episode captures the Le Batard Show’s blend of irreverent humor, insightful sports analysis, and rapid-fire banter. The main topics revolve around the evolving logic in professional football (and resistance to it), the pressing narratives in the NFL season, the vulnerabilities of analytics vs. "the gut," and how sports debates reflect broader cultural anxieties. It also veers into the NBA and pop-culture, always with a comic, self-aware edge. The repeated “woke and gay” satire is a pointed mockery of reactionary sports talk, highlighting the show’s willingness to parody both sides of any argument and play with culture-war tropes for laughs.

Episode Highlight

Chris: “They’ve all figured out seven is worth more than three. I’m going to go for seven. If I’m inside the five, I don’t care what the game situation is.” (21:31)

Dan: “If you’re going by mathematics and analytics and all that stuff, you don’t even need a person. You need AI to coach you. And I don’t mean Allen Iverson.” (19:40)

Greg Cody: “The Bears are the biggest fraud in the NFL right now… Not a good team.” (41:21)

Dan (satire): “Numbers are woke and gay.” (19:00, various)