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Online for details welcome to the Big Sui presented by DraftKings. Why are you listening to this show, the podcast that seems very similar to the other Dan LeBatard podcast?
Greg
I'm sorry.
Billy
I'm not going to apologize for that. In fact, the only difference seems to be this imaging. I have been tempted in restaurants just walking past tables to grab somebody's fries if they're just there. That hasn't happened to you guys?
Mike Ryan
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Billy
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Greg
This episode of the Dan Lebatard show is presented by DraftKings. DraftKings. The crown is yours.
Billy
Tony's top five is around the corner. Last time he went out there he injured himself and he said he was bringing litigation. I don't understand. I didn't tell him to do any of that. I thought it was a bit try hard, but I appreciated that he was doing it for us, but I didn't ask him to do any of it. And now he's suing the company and suing me because he's injured and now he's out back on the road again. Where is he today? Where's litigation right now?
Dan Le Batard
I know he's out in the field. I think it's a surprise. So we'll find out together. Can we make that a class action or.
Billy
Well, what would you be getting in.
Dan Le Batard
On psychological and emotional damage from what.
Billy
What Billy did to you.
Tony
That first segment from what's happened for.
Dan Le Batard
About the last three and a half years.
Billy
Okay. Your love of baseball is nice. And I hope that someday before the end of these playoffs, we stopped segregating it because I, I really. The Vlad Guerrero story is so cool to have him topple this team while Aaron Judge, like, he's at the top of whatever the sports mountain is, slugging it out for their cities with, like, Otani over here, who's got Mookie Bets and Freddy Freeman behind him. It's like, it's an unbelievable time in baseball if you've cared about the history of that sport, when the Blue Jays aren't even playing with Adante Bichette's kid. He's not even in this series because the Blue Jays are loaded, too. And Guerrero really hates the Yankees. Like, he really wants to beat them.
Dan Le Batard
Whatever happened to BGO's kid? Kind of flamed out. That stinks.
Billy
Mike. Are they. Are the kids or the Suns getting you interested in baseball?
Tony
I'm taking a look at the Met, the Mariner. I don't care.
Dan Le Batard
Yeah, Big Dumper.
Billy
What about Big Dumper?
Tony
He hit it to a guy who said dump. Dump it here.
Dan Le Batard
But he started. Yes. Jeremy, aren't a lot of fans wearing a dumper shirt? Like, I feel like the odds of a fan who's wearing a dumper shirt. Did you see see the shirt?
Greg
Yeah, I did.
Dan Le Batard
He created it himself with his own cricket at home.
Tony
And it said dump it here.
Dan Le Batard
And it had 61 on the front for the 61st home run. And then after that, he took it off and underneath that dump, 62. That's cool. He had both. All right.
Tony
In left field to have to hit it opposite field and go. I mean, guys, baseball, please join me. Championship series, I think. I don't know, maybe don't count on me, but maybe the world. I don't know.
Dan Le Batard
That fan must have been mocked by all his friends, like, dude, you think you're going to get a home rumble and then you think you're going to get another one.
Mike Ryan
And then look at him.
Dan Le Batard
Look at this guy.
Greg
Has there been a worse nickname than Dump? Like. Like a big dumper? Yeah, like a nickname.
Tony
That's a bad.
Greg
Appealing.
Tony
It's a bad.
Greg
It's a look. It's a fun nickname to Say. But if I'm the guy they're calling the big dumper, I don't know if I like this.
Dan Le Batard
He's got a great ass. You know, that's why we're doing it, right?
Tony
Yes.
Dan Le Batard
He's a catcher. He's seen better.
Tony
Is there a catcher with a badass.
Greg
Pull up rated ass?
Tony
I mean, look at that.
Dan Le Batard
Greg's right overrated ass and his dad's ass is horrific. Let me see that thing. Let me see that photo of that ass.
Billy
Really? That's what we're doing.
Dan Le Batard
I want to see until we see it.
Greg
It's an average ass.
Tony
You know what? There was a catcher with a bad ass.
Dan Le Batard
Who?
Tony
Paul Baco.
Dan Le Batard
I believe it. Javi Lopez didn't have a great ass. The right angle. I would also say, like this whole, like, take off your shirt. 61, 62. Like, that moment's done. This is a postseason. The stats reset. That's not a home run number 62. Like, enough of like, this made up history where we're rewarding Aaron Judge for doing like, as the kids say, mid things. Okay. No, Baco is a friggin. That's a blanche.
Tony
Yeah, that's an ironing board right there.
Dan Le Batard
Baco.
Tony
Yeah, you. You need an ass like big dumpers.
Dan Le Batard
How's it even possible to not have a good butt as a catcher?
Tony
I want my catcher to be a pug.
Dan Le Batard
Pudge had a good one, right, Dan?
Billy
Yes, for sure.
Dan Le Batard
There you go.
Billy
The catcher. I mean, the hips are wide open and they have a lot the lower body strength of these human beings, as this guy says. Because the big dumper is saying, be prepared with shirts 62 and 63 for game four. Like, you've got a legitimate swaggerer over in Seattle who's coming to also try and topple the Yankees. And we can't do anything to get Mike interested in this as like a catcher for all times who's hitting more home runs than have ever been hit. Non steroid division.
Tony
No, no. I mean, I'll. I'll certainly make time for the M's if they advance. I have it on the second screen. I don't know how to pronounce anybody's names. I did find it weird that you thought Julio Rodriguez was 32, but I'm like, I barely follow this.
Dan Le Batard
24 years old.
Billy
No, I just.
Tony
That was weird.
Dan Le Batard
Dan definitely said 32.
Mike Ryan
No one else.
Tony
He said it with conviction and so did you. And I was very confused by it.
Billy
Yes. I thought we were doing a bit where we were making the old Guy, the young guy, old. Because the catcher's the new hot thing in town after they'd already tired of their Latino Ken Griffey Jr. J Rod, who went over five in this, by the way. He's been surpassed as a star in his city. He was supposed to be the star of these champion Mariners. He's not. Their catcher is. The catcher took the team from him.
Dan Le Batard
It's amazing. And they have Randy Arosarena. If you think your family, what you.
Tony
Kind of did that, don't. Look, I can't speak with conviction. I'm a know it all. But I know I know nothing about this. So I'm enjoying you guys informing me.
Dan Le Batard
Remember that class action I was talking about?
Billy
All right, so I want to bring in Greg on something here because I meant to say this a couple of days ago. If we're going to cover football and sports in this silly of a fashion, it is pretty interesting when the Arizona Cardinals have a loss for all times, like one of the great debacles ever seen in the history of the sport. And they all pride themselves as, like, being these military units of precision on Sundays. Arizona's clown show. That game they lost is impossible to lose. You play it a thousand times, you're supposed to win it a thousand times. They drop a ball in the end zone that would have put them up 28 to 6. And afterward, a coach that I made fun of two weeks ago because you can't win with a top Jonathan. Unless it's Ogden or unless it's Taylor. But if he's going to go Jonathan, it's a Gannon. And he was a total stoic. He's one of these robots. These, these. Look, I got Kyler Murray, we busted on Josh Rosen. We got out of that quick. It burned up Kingsbury. I'm one of these boy children who's trying to be the next McVe. Stoic. Stoic. Stoic. Like that guy has lost games. That team's pretty talented. But all close games, you never see anything from this guy's face. And then his running back flips away a casual touchdown. And this guy puts his hands on the player on the sidelines while yelling at him. When I just told you two weeks ago, this guy seems to show no emotion ever. He seems almost robotically principled about, I'm in control here. There's nothing that can happen in this game that can affect me right until my running back's a dumb ass. And then I get enraged and want to punch him on the sidelines.
Greg
Yeah, he's Allowed to do that, in my opinion.
Billy
Whoa.
Greg
Yes, he's allowed.
Tony
I got fined $100,000. The boy child. The boy child Did. Dan, when you said he's one of.
Greg
These boy children, what does that mean?
Tony
Were you thinking. Was your very next thought, like, I hope no one seizes on this? That does sound weird.
Billy
Yes. I meant to say.
Tony
I wrote it down.
Billy
I meant to. I meant one of these boy children. Child wonder is what I meant.
Tony
Okay. Child. So I'm glad we were right to seize on that. Right.
Greg
I think the phrase is boy wonder, not child one.
Billy
Okay, you know what my point was? One of these young masterminds on offense that's going to make Kyler Murray championship good.
Tony
Well, he's a defensive guy. Yeah, he's that type of boy child.
Greg
Okay, here's the thing. We're talking about football here, okay? Sort of a rough sport. I don't know how you guys follow the game, how closely. We're talking about a sport where you literally hit each other. You're allowed to punch the ball out of somebody's arms, and we're worried about somebody laying hands on somebody. Laying hands. Do you think he hurt the running man?
Tony
You cannot defend. You cannot defend. He struck a co worker. He struck like his player. That was. That was a bad look. And honestly, like, ESPN did a bad job covering this. They did a bad job. Like, it was only until, like, after the fine was levied did they start talking about it. Because this video was out there. Jonathan Gannon gave people license to discuss this. He was sorry, as he should be because he said that he hadn't seen the clip, which is bs but we can have sound from his press conference. Let Jonathan Gannon speak for himself, because I do think he had a fair amount of contrition, because this is not just a bad look. Honestly, should have been considered as a fireable offense, not just losing that game, but striking a player that viciously. That was not.
Greg
He slapped the guy on the arm.
Tony
I think he struck him pretty hard. I mean, DiMarcado's a big back, and his body gets pushed back. But let's have Jonathan Gannon speak for himself. The boy child.
Billy
I didn't see the video, David, but, yeah, I actually. I woke up this morning and didn't feel great about it, honestly. And so in the team meeting, I addressed it. I apologized to Omari. I apologized to the team, and I just told him I kind of let the moment of what happened get the better of me there. Obviously. Like, I try to be emotionally stable and Calm. Because my job is to solve problems when during a game and kind of lead the charge on that. So it's not really who I am, who I want to be. And I told the guys that today. So it's a mistake by me. And it's just like everybody in there, everybody made some type of mistake yesterday, which is, you know, calming as to why we didn't win the game. Oh, no, we can't let it happen.
Tony
Moving forward, he just blamed DeMarcado again for being on the receiving end of being struck.
Dan Le Batard
I love how he's like, I didn't see the video.
Greg
Yeah. But I just woke up.
Dan Le Batard
I didn't feel right.
Tony
He should have been called into the owner's office. That was such a bad look. Number one, losing the game is terrible. That's just a terrible job out of him.
Billy
Well, can we go a step further, though? Hold on. Just. I mean, come on. Because bad luck is such a swipe that doesn't even mean anything anymore. It really doesn't. It bad. Oh, bad luck.
Greg
It means nothing.
Billy
This person who's in charge, who I just. Two weeks ago, I'm watching these boy children who lead these men into battle. And I pointed out two weeks ago, this is like the most stoic of the dudes. This is like Bud Grant. This guy shows no emotion. It's. It is calamity out there every weekend with that team because his quarterback's a lunatic who just runs from side to side trying to get away from coverage and does it, you know, does it pretty well but isn't good enough and is going to get ground up physics by what it is to play for that organization. That guy put his hands on his running back because he's like, you jackass. It's all our futures. What are you doing flipping the ball there? We had the game. 1. Of course he's enraged. Of course he's emotional. And of course he's got to be better than that.
Greg
He's allowed the frustration, in my opinion, and he said what he had to say. You have to do the rote apology. Because there's a lot of people like Mike who are saying that's a fireable offense. I could not.
Tony
I'm the snowflake. I understand being super upset with the marcado in that situation. I understand getting in his face. I'll even abide by a little face mask tug. But to strike an individual, if that happens in any other workplace, a person's possibly fired on the spot.
Greg
Wait a minute. So you'll allow a face mask tug, but not a slight.
Dan Le Batard
He said a slight tug.
Tony
Yeah, we're not, we're not talking about 15 yards here. We're talking about the old school five yard penalty.
Greg
Okay. Do you think the biggest running back.
Tony
Was injured by the speaker four Bado on the sideline was despondent and should have been. Yeah. It's not like he was over there all smiles like there's no reason to justify it. And Gannon's apology was good up until the point he decided to blame DeMarcado.
Greg
Again because the guy was full of blame for what he did. There's certain things in sports that you can't do because they're totally within your control. You can't do that because you're showboating and costing your team a touchdown and a victory. That would be the, that's the football equivalent of hitting the game winning grand slam and having it not count because you forgot to touch first base. You just cannot do that. And if I'm the coach of the manager and my player does that, I'm going to be frustrated, I'm going to be angry and I have a right to be.
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Dan Le Batard
This is the Dan Levatar show with the stugats.
Billy
Time to throw away the journalistic credibility and get reckless.
Greg
Here is something we like to call reckless speculation.
Dan Le Batard
You're good.
Tony
Thank you. He's kicked a dog. Well, I mean, come on. I mean, come on, come on.
Dan Le Batard
That is.
Tony
That is. That is kick a dog energy.
Dan Le Batard
But we don't know that that is. That is.
Tony
That is bad dog. Kick a dog energy. That is a. That.
Billy
I'm just saying it's worse than a bad look. It's worse than a bad look.
Tony
You cannot tell me that's not kick a dog energy.
Mike Ryan
KDE.
Dan Le Batard
I have a question, Greg. So DeMarcado's 5, 9, and Gannon is 6ft. I guess it's a question for Mike, too. If it was opposites, If Gannon was 5, 9 and DiMarcado was 6ft, would it change things?
Tony
It's the employer dynamic.
Dan Le Batard
Yeah. I mean, no, I agree with that situation where it's the. Because, like, then you start talking about Draymond Green punching teammates. It's like, ah, it's sports that happens. Right? But here's. There's like the boss employee situation. But if their body types were different, would it. Would it change things?
Tony
DiMarcado's got some biceps to him.
Greg
This is not an office where this happens and you call hr.
Dan Le Batard
What do you mean?
Greg
This is. This is a violent sport. And the idea of a coach barely slapping a player's arm, that wasn't barely.
Tony
That wasn't barely. I think the issue that I, and many other people like me, Snowflakes took issue with was the fact that it wasn't just a little slap on the arm. That was. He struck the man. He gave him a Ric Flair chop across his chest.
Billy
I've seen Chris and his father wrestle Greg Will get grabby with the elbows. Greg is not above saying publicly to all who will listen, I'm fine with striking a man. That's it.
Dan Le Batard
I'll break your arm off.
Greg
I mean, I'm kidding when I say it.
Billy
Are you?
Greg
I'll rip your fingers off. Sure.
Dan Le Batard
No, yeah.
Billy
Look, he. Greg's. Greg can be a violent man when in rage.
Greg
No, I can't be a violent man.
Dan Le Batard
His car's the wrong color. I mean, all bets are off.
Greg
Okay, that's fair.
Billy
Caller lean. I want to find out how she feels about this shitty Corvette.
Dan Le Batard
Did you just eat that for, like, three years or whatever?
Greg
Yeah.
Dan Le Batard
You just drove around a car you didn't like for how many. How many years?
Greg
I grew to like it. You know, it was a nice car. It was my first one. I was thrilled to have it, you.
Tony
Know, but, you know, the last time. The last time a head coach. The last time a head coach struck a player that I can recall was Bruce Arians. And I think the media held him accountable there.
Billy
Oh, my God. Did I shriek to the heavens?
Tony
Yeah, I mean, it's. It's not. It's not something you see often because it's wrong.
Dan Le Batard
Didn't Mike Singletary show his wiener to his team one time in a motivation. No, it was his front. It wasn't his back. It was his front. He said, look at these. You guys don't have a pair of these or something like that? Yes, I'm pretty sure it was his back. I gotta look it up.
Tony
It was a crazy story.
Dan Le Batard
Yeah, I think. I think it was his friend. He said, you guys don't have a pair of these.
Tony
It was Palm Beach. It was the 90s.
Greg
The key was he didn't strike anybody with the penis, apparently, because if you.
Dan Le Batard
That would have been the line for.
Greg
You lay hands on somebody.
Tony
What happened to the great Bobby Knight?
Greg
Oh, my God. I laid a hand on a player. Yeah. Come on. I get why the league instituted this fine. I get why the league fined them. The league has to do that. They have to be politically correct. They got to do all that stuff. I guarantee. I guarantee you that most Cardinal fans are like, yeah, ought to hit that guy, too.
Tony
This is not a newsmax, like, engagement story. This is not. It's not. It's not. It's not PC culture. It's not the softening of America. It's bad. I think we have consensus. You watch that video? Head coach should not be doing that to players.
Dan Le Batard
Most fans would have hit him, too.
Greg
Oh, come on. He needlessly and carelessly and with full of ego.
Mike Ryan
That was a touchdown.
Greg
Cost his team a touchdown.
Tony
It was a touchdown.
Billy
It was a touchdown.
Dan Le Batard
He didn't even.
Tony
The ball is ahead of the foot.
Billy
That's.
Tony
The foot is clearly on the line.
Billy
That's the other part.
Tony
Touchdown.
Billy
The other part is the whole league got it wrong. Look, if you want to go macro on this, this is flatly cruel here, okay? The place we've arrived with dehumanization of these athletes with our fantasy leagues and our addictions to all the action. This dude was shamed upon this happening. America's laughter fell upon him. That must be a mental health crisis. And his coach was not an ally or helpful there because Greg says he's right to be enraged. Cuz all of America was. You careless fool. You idiot. I just learned who you were. And what I know now is you're an idiot. You team one of the most epic collapse I've seen this century. I'm not kidding you when I tell you that the way that game was lost, that Cam Ward throwing an interception, that ends up being the biggest touchdown of his game winning career in the pros because Arizona kept giving the ball back. Arizona became a source of national shame. A regional team for so long, Kyler Murray can't pull them out of it. They're a regional team. That team fights to be 500 every year and threw away a football game yesterday. And the face of that, the face of that is a guy whose name we all learned together. And I wondered if his. If he was Hispanic. And then I. And then I'm like, this guy is going to get buried and America's laughing at you. Wow, that feels shitty. And there's your coach to tell you just how shitty you are. And now he struck you like, yeah, we'll be liberal in saying, oh, that's so like, come on, toughen up America. But. But like our cruelty is slapping this kid in the face like he cares about his job.
Tony
I hate that we're at a place where like someone's labeled soft for saying you shouldn't be doing that. It's obvious to the eye that a head coach should not be doing that any workplace. That's not okay. And I understand the NFL is not just any workplace. There's a reason why we're talking about it. There's a reason why there's film of it. There's a reason why he got fined $100,000. Because it is consensus. We have, we have everybody agreeing here shouldn't have done it.
Billy
No, Greg's not Agreeing with that.
Greg
Look, I'm fine acknowledging that it's not something that you want to see out of your head, Coach. He was right to apologize. Maybe the league was right to fine him. Although it's a slap on the wrist, a token fine.
Billy
That's not the phrasing you want to.
Tony
100,000. Yeah, $100,000 is not a small fine, right?
Billy
No, it's not even just that. It's fine. Guys, to make this go away, you have to make it look punitive, as if you know that it's bad, but it's only not as bad as it should be because everyone's yawning and doing what Greg's doing. Look, he's in charge. He's allowed to be frustrated. The dude was an idiot. What. What difference does it make if the boss hits him? But I'm just. The part I'm laughing at is. I've mentioned the demeanor of a head coach in the NFL. How many times with us doing this history of the sport, when I'm telling you that Tom Coughlin's not helping the kicker when the kickers missed the field goal in Green Bay and the whole. The whole Giants building falls on the kicker and Coughlin yells at him because he's not disciplined to make a kick in the snow. We've allowed this in football so that the guy in charge is in such power that, of course, he could hit the employee and Greg would yawn and it would be $100,000. And we'd say that's a lot, but it's not enough. This guy's job is to make sure that those players feel like they are allies, protected with him, by him. Like, you're not going to come touch me, Coach. Not unless you're willing for me to touch you back.
Tony
I cannot believe he took the opportunity to blame DeMarcusato again.
Dan Le Batard
He apologizes at the end. He's just like, oh, we all made.
Tony
We all made. A lot of mistakes were made in that situation. We all made it as. That sucked.
Dan Le Batard
He broke the plane.
Tony
He didn't make a mistake. He scored a touchdown. He saved your bacon with a huge run.
Dan Le Batard
I still don't get it, Major kde.
Greg
Maybe it was a bad call by the officiat, but that's off point here. For the record, I never called the running back an idiot.
Billy
Okay?
Greg
I called him careless.
Billy
No, but I'm just saying that's what America's doing. You might be more careful with your language, but what I'm saying is it must really stink to be the Face of failure on a. On the run of your life because it's a 70 yard run. They're hard to get the big plays in that sport. You've had three touchdowns in your career. This is a big moment for you. And it turns like that into. You're the one everyone in the sport is laughing at today.
Greg
Right.
Billy
For being careless with the one o' clock games. The one o' clock game stunk and your game was interesting and you threw a. You. We all paid attention on Sunday. You were one of the big stories because you fool.
Greg
Yeah. All of the athletes on failing teams talk about we have to have accountability. Right. That's like a mantra in sports, especially in football, I think. And so this is a matter of that. You have to take accountability. You effed up majorly. Okay. And yes, majorly is a word.
Billy
No one disagrees with any of that.
Greg
Okay. So when you do F up, you can't feel that surprise when your teammate yells at you and admonishes you on the sideline.
Tony
Yeah. Okay.
Greg
Teammates do that too.
Tony
I don't think he's surprised. I think by that. I think he's surprised by getting struck.
Dan Le Batard
Yeah.
Tony
No, we don't see it all that often. For all the macho attributes you want to apply to this sport. I remember when coaches do this because it's a rare sight. Because not just is it a rare sight, it's a really bad look. It's super unprofessional.
Greg
Okay.
Billy
Bad looks doing so much work there. Why don't we call it what it is, guys? You cannot have the white authority figure putting his hands on.
Tony
I don't want to make this.
Dan Le Batard
There we go.
Tony
It's a power dynamic thing more than a race thing.
Dan Le Batard
Even if he was a white player, it'd be a problem.
Mike Ryan
Problem.
Dan Le Batard
NFL HR would be so wild. Honestly, if, like Monday, it's like, okay, if you have any HR complaints about this weekend calling. It's like when I was at the bottom of that dog pile, someone's finger.
Billy
When such a good.
Dan Le Batard
Wait, what? Hold on a second. Do you know which number. What color was the jersey of the opposing player? Like, made me feel really uncomfortable when number 72 from the other team touched my. And then I was like, please stop doing that, sir. And then he tried to swing and punch to. Tried to. Told me he tried to punch at the ball, but instead he punched me in the head. And it made me feel really inadequate at the time. Go NFL hr.
Greg
I'm serious.
Dan Le Batard
I, by the way, was trying to clear up some misrememberings early on the Mike Singletary situation. So Mike Singletary in October of 2008 was the interim head coach of the 49ers and they were down 20 to 3 to the Seattle Seahawks. So he decided as the inter coach.
Billy
What year is it?
Dan Le Batard
2008. October 2008. As the interim head coach. Early interim head coach. But October's early for an interim head coach.
Billy
But jar my memory here, so this, this is this. So Mike Singletary is being given one of these Jeff Saturday jobs before he's actually qualified. He's done some assistant head coaching, but he's the emotional leader of the 49ers and he is their coach and he's.
Dan Le Batard
Embroiled in what he's the interim head coach is. October 2008, they were losing 20 to 3 to the Seahawks and he decided to drop his pants during the halftime speech to motivate the team to express to them that they were getting their tails whipped. Unclear as to whether or not Mike Singletary has a tail, but he decided to drop his pants for visual aids. Now their speculation ranges from he was in his boxers to he mooned the team.
Billy
No, there was not speculation. This was stronger than speculation. No, I will say before the insiders.
Dan Le Batard
Okay, I will say this. I went to the ESPN article from October 30, 2008 which was written by John Clayton and at the top there is a note saying this story has been corrected because there were various rumors going around as to what the extent of his pant dropping entailed. So then I did a follow up Google search which was did Mike Singletary show his penis to his team? And then Google AI says no, that claim that Mike Singletary showed his penis to his team is categorically false and a baseless.
Billy
All right, Pablo, find out please. I don't.
Dan Le Batard
I remember this, but maybe I thought.
Billy
It was reported he mooned his team.
Greg
What a boner. I mean the mistake by Singletary, get it? You know, it was just double bad mistake he made.
Billy
Thank you Billy for the have the helpful because it could be like a mistake or direction. What a boner. Yes, it was a boner. That's correct.
Greg
Thank you.
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Tony
Hey Jeremy, old buddy ol pal.
Dan Le Batard
Hey Mike.
Tony
I want to talk to you about Miller Lite. You and I have bonded over these last few weeks talking about our shared love of Miller Lite.
Dan Le Batard
That's right.
Tony
A great partner of our show for practically its entire existence.
Mike Ryan
It's been a partner of this show since I was 10 years old and.
Tony
It'S been around for 50 years and they've been a part of our show for almost 20. We're approaching incredible partner status with Miller Lite.
Dan Le Batard
I mean, to think that people were.
Mike Ryan
Celebrating at my bar mitzvah with Miller Lite as they were a partner of.
Dan Le Batard
This show is pretty incredible.
Tony
You're talking about the moments that are made better by making those times, those special times. Miller Time. Jeremy, there's nothing like cracking open Miller Lite with your crew this football season. It's especially true whether it's a touchdown you didn't see coming or just arguing about fantasy lineups you already know you're gonna lose. Miller Lite has been the taste you can depend on for 50 years. Brewed for flavor with simple ingredients, rich toffee notes that iconic golden color. And here's a kicker, Jeremy.
Greg
What's that?
Tony
It's just 96 calories.
Dan Le Batard
I still can't believe that we say it every week. I can't believe it.
Tony
It's just 3.2 carbs per 12 ounces. It's the original light beer since 1975 and still hit indifferent five decades later. Miller Lite Great Taste. 96 calories. Go to millerlight.com dan to find delivery options near you. Or you can pick up some Miller Lite pretty much anywhere they sell beer. It's Miller time. Celebrate responsibly Miller Brewing Company, Milwaukee, Wisconsin. 96 calories and 3.2 carbs per 12 ounces.
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Greg
Don LeBatard My wife says this sexy voice.
Dan Le Batard
It really is. Yeah, I'm hard.
Greg
Thank you. Wow.
Dan Le Batard
Stugats.
Greg
So am I, actually. I don't know why.
Dan Le Batard
This is the Dan Levatar show with the Stugach's.
Billy
He's 70 years old, ladies and gentlemen. He doesn't have to bathe after taking coins from the local team while protecting his journalism. And the young kids are out at the gym right now trying to. Tony wants in on his football conversation. This is his moment to shine. And we've had him sitting around for 30 minutes. He's in one of our. Oh, our gym's lovely here at the lser. This is. This is a good gym. This is one of. I mean, I think I can say it. This is one of the better gyms you will find anywhere in Miami.
Tony
Great. Great view in that gym, Dan.
Dan Le Batard
Tony's top five is presented by Smirnoff, the official vodka sponsor of the National Football League. Smirnoff. Please drink responsibly. The Smirnoff Company, New York, New York. Vodka, 40% alcohol by volume.
Tony
Gonna be a better view in four years.
Billy
Oh, well, can we talk about that or no? Can we talk about the presidential library?
Mike Ryan
Do you want to talk about it right now?
Tony
It's gonna be speaking.
Greg
Yeah.
Dan Le Batard
Tony, what are your thoughts?
Tony
Cassia In a couple of weeks.
Billy
Yeah.
Mike Ryan
So my thoughts are. Let's get to the top five.
Billy
We've got right next to us. Tony. Tony. You were just at. Tony. Didn't you just go to Freedom Tower with my. Didn't you just do that?
Tony
Yes.
Mike Ryan
I did. It was lovely. It was cool to see somebody who had been there and. And walk back in your dad's face for the first time when we saw like the grand hall where he walked in was unreal. Something I'll never forget. Dan. So thank you for that. Actually.
Tony
Did you scout that locale next door? Nice little plot.
Mike Ryan
I took a look. I took a look.
Billy
Yeah. Why are you talking about this in such cryptic terms?
Tony
Gonna make a great library slash hotel slash casino.
Billy
All right. So you guys need to watch Last week Tonight on Presidential Libraries and what an amazing grift that is. And the land next to us right between us and the Freedom Tower.
Tony
How do you like the setup? Tone?
Billy
As Tony. As Tony sues the company. I think you would. The view. The view right now is of Freedom Tower. Are you on the other side of the gym? The gym's two stories over there. Can you see the Freedom Tower from where you are?
Mike Ryan
Dan? I could see it bright and clear right in front of me. It looks good. It's actually never looked better. Dan. To be honest.
Tony
Knock it down. It's gonna block.
Billy
So. But by next year. Does it mean between now and then DeSantis is gonna give Trump a casino to put there?
Mike Ryan
Look. I don't have that information. I don't have that information. What I would say is buy some stock in the Freedom Tower. I think it'll be fine.
Tony
Top five plots of land to put a library. SL Hotel. SL casino.
Mike Ryan
Didn't you the shorty's plot of land that just sold for $14 million.
Billy
Right.
Tony
The old Herold building. Let's have two libraries. Do people know how much he was president twice.
Billy
Do you know?
Tony
Should have been three.
Billy
There's no land in South Florida. There's a plot of land next to us that the Santas just gave to Trump to put a greasy casino.
Dan Le Batard
Presidential Library.
Billy
Techn.
Tony
Hotel casino.
Billy
The Freedom Tower. The Freedom. I can see the Freedom Tower now.
Tony
Read between the lines.
Dan Le Batard
Enjoy the view I saw while you still can.
Billy
It's not. That view's gone. Cuz the parking lot is exactly where it's going.
Tony
And leave it right there. Don't elevate it. Because climate change is a lie.
Billy
Put Trump's story in my father's shadow like that. Come on.
Dan Le Batard
Your father's going to be the one in the shadow.
Tony
Your father will be cutting the ribbon.
Billy
My father came to this country through.
Tony
You'll be at the ribbon cutting ceremony like all our great Cubanos that have been here for a long time. None of that TPS nonsense.
Billy
My father's 82.
Tony
Some would say too long.
Billy
He just went to Freedom Tower.
Tony
Top five Cubans that have been here too long. Number one, Dan Levitard. Number two, Mark Cuban. Little mouthy.
Dan Le Batard
Didn'T Tony. Why is he doing somebody?
Tony
Mike Ryan had a nose.
Mike Ryan
So we learned, Billy. That's true. Amen. So we learned. Obviously, Carmen is doing a great job here. And what we learned is it's actually not my hip. It's my sartorius muscle.
Billy
Sartorius.
Mike Ryan
My sartorius muscle. That is actually a little known muscle that goes from the top of the quad all the way down underneath the big quad muscles. So Carmen diagnosed me and was able to figure out, hey, look, it's not your hip, it's actually your quad. So, Dan, I'm going to have to change the lawsuit and say quad instead of hip. So just so you know, the. The verbiage on that.
Tony
Number four, Chef Andres at number five, Cuban. That's been here too long. Bad Bunny.
Billy
Can you guys. Can you guys get cleared for me? Can you please get cleared for me? What last week Tonight did with Fox's reaction to Bad Bunny and just the idea of a Latin super bowl show because I'd like to be able to replay that. But, Tony, I'm sorry, we've taken enough of your segment. Tell me, what's. Oli, what are you doing? Just observations.
Mike Ryan
We got a couple OIs and then we're going to get into the top five, Dan. So we'll start in Oli. Number one, Daniel Jones might actually be the MVP if it wasn't that Baker is actually going to win the mvp.
Billy
Oh, wow. We're already there. Week six, you guys are going to do that?
Dan Le Batard
We do this every.
Mike Ryan
I mean, who's leading the MVP race right now?
Billy
But you're doing that. Who let it in week six last.
Dan Le Batard
Year it was Baker. Last year, too. Like, we do this with Baker kind of every year, and at the end, everything shakes out.
Tony
This is. This is unprecedented.
Mike Ryan
Oh, it's a popularity contest. It's a popularity contest. Oh, Josh Allen.
Tony
Yeah.
Mike Ryan
He was so good. Okay, fine, whatever.
Tony
I think it's the first time since.
Mike Ryan
Let's give Baker a shot.
Tony
A team that has won four of its five first games in the last minute.
Billy
But. And when they finish 10 and 7. We'll doubt them in a bad division because they won't be quite as good as the Rams in a playoff game like Baker Mayfield's now in the top tier of. He's going to be playing important games, at least in part because he'll always win that division. Where are we going next?
Mike Ryan
All right.
Tony
The third.
Mike Ryan
Second. Oli.
Billy
That looks like it feels good. That looks like it feels good.
Mike Ryan
No, when she digs in the elbow into the sartorius muscle, it doesn't feel good. I really had to give the groan. Look that at skin in that, like cup.
Billy
What is that? Is that color puncture? What is that? Why, why do you. Were you cupped? What is that?
Mike Ryan
It's called cupping, Dan. Yeah, I am getting it actually allows the blood to kind of rush up to the cup and then disperse back.
Tony
Down into the pornographic.
Dan Le Batard
Can you move that towel? What a boner.
Billy
This feel. This feels pornographic. That's the most pornographic thing we've done.
Greg
Really. I'm looking at DeShawn Watson here. What's going on?
Dan Le Batard
Oh, come on.
Billy
Greg.
Mike Ryan
I like that one.
Billy
Greg.
Mike Ryan
Play on for me.
Greg
All right, Dan.
Mike Ryan
Commies are a problem.
Billy
Play on.
Mike Ryan
You agree?
Tony
Our problem.
Billy
The Freedom Tower is going to be blocked by the shadow of the Trump Grift Casino.
Tony
Oh, a lie.
Greg
Both.
Tony
Many Diaz's.
Dan Le Batard
That would.
Mike Ryan
That would actually. Capitalism is a problem, but that's a different story.
Billy
And for us. Seriously, they're going to take the view next door with a casino. My father came into this country through.
Tony
That building and he'll be going out.
Billy
Of it through that building as the casino host.
Tony
That's right.
Billy
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Tony
Get ready to learn. Palantir puppy.
Dan Le Batard
Why'd they move the fight from the 4th of July to his birthday? That's crazy.
Tony
It's a greater date.
Billy
He's 82. My father's 82. He came to this country through that building last.
Mike Ryan
Oli Flacco to the Bengals. Intrigued.
Billy
That was a good one yesterday. That was a good old fashioned one where we all rose our eyebrows and like, oh, Flaco will give you four touchdowns to Chase and Higgins in a game. Maybe Gasecki will get involved because it's Flacco. Or he'll throw five interceptions.
Mike Ryan
You have Jake Browning for that Blacko coming into the.
Billy
Everybody good? Tell me I'm. Tell me I'm right. Tell me I'm right or wrong here. Everyone in sports had a consensus reaction to that trade, which was maybe on Flaco for a couple of Games with Those receivers. Consensus 100%. Great trade. Cincinnati.
Greg
Yes.
Tony
Olai. Little Marco. Oh, wait. Nope. We like him now.
Billy
Too many. Diaz. This.
Mike Ryan
Yeah, both of them. All right, number five. Here come the Broncos.
Billy
Yeah, everyone.
Dan Le Batard
Damn.
Mike Ryan
Broncos are a team, like you said. They could be five, zero, couple bad bounces, a couple penalties. They could be a 5, 0 team. And we'd be talking to them. Talking about them like Super Bowl.
Billy
They hadn't trailed in a fourth quarter in. Until they got to Philadelphia and ransacked the champions in the fourth quarter.
Mike Ryan
Here they come. Number four. The Patriots are a playoff team. I'm gonna say it now. Week 6 Patriots are a playoff team.
Billy
Billy, you laugh at that. You scoff.
Tony
Oh, Oli. AOC.
Dan Le Batard
Number three.
Mike Ryan
Are we sending her back?
Tony
Yes, back to Cuba.
Mike Ryan
Okay.
Tony
Where all these people are from.
Mike Ryan
Number three. Dan, do you know what the D in dolphin stands for?
Dan Le Batard
Oh, boy.
Billy
It's gonna be a Spanish word.
Mike Ryan
What's the D in dolphin?
Dan Le Batard
Yes, Dan. Atta boy, you're on it.
Mike Ryan
Today the D and dolphin stands for the Binga. You lose to the. To the Panthers, who are terrible.
Tony
They don't even want to win and.
Mike Ryan
You lose to them. Christ almighty.
Billy
With their quarterback calling a timeout he didn't have. How is that not a penalty?
Mike Ryan
How tiny quarterback at that, Dan.
Billy
How is that not a penalty? Greg Cody.
Greg
It is a penalty, isn't it?
Billy
It wasn't called as a penalty. It was Bryce Young called a timeout. He did not have.
Greg
Should have been a penalty.
Billy
What is that, a song?
Greg
The league's cheating on his behalf.
Dan Le Batard
Should have been a penalty.
Greg
Should have been a penalty.
Tony
Jeremy Tache is Jewish.
Dan Le Batard
Yeah, Jewish and Cuban.
Tony
Oh, double whammy.
Dan Le Batard
Number two.
Billy
Number two.
Mike Ryan
Do you guys just hear that? Hold on, hold on. Do you hear that?
Billy
Does that feel good? That's not.
Mike Ryan
That was. That was Dan Campbell. No, Dan. That was Dan Campbell prying open the Lion's super bowl window. Air suctioned cup window that he just pried open with a crowbar. Dano. Lions back.
Billy
Billy. What? You're making a face at that.
Dan Le Batard
Nah, just, you know, these are great points that Tony's making. Taking forever. But number one.
Mike Ryan
Number one, there's only one place we could go. Dan, do you want to say it for me?
Billy
I'm sorry. I was put off by Billy saying that you were taking forever.
Dan Le Batard
The chance of him getting it right. Tony, this is dragged on forever. I mean, we were talking about this before. Like, what's Tony doing? He's like, oh, it's going to be A surprise. I'm like, oh, boy.
Tony
Very rude to interrupt the man.
Dan Le Batard
Yeah, sorry. Go on.
Mike Ryan
Thank you. Thank you. Mike, can you please tell me we may need to look into that shipping container also and see who else we need to send back.
Tony
Say the whole name out loud.
Mike Ryan
Number one. Dano.
Billy
Send back. Oh, yeah, he's coming. Tony's coming. Yeah.
Mike Ryan
Wow. 4 and 1. Dan beat the the two time Super bowl champion Chiefs a couple of years ago on a gutsy Monday night win.
Tony
Duvall.
Mike Ryan
I'm gonna Conan them.
Billy
I'm gonna say, do I have this wrong? I am gonna say that this is Tony's proudest football moment since riding with the Jacksonville Jags. We didn't even celebrate it yesterday since he was lighting candles to San Museli, which he. Tony, went all in on. The Jags Jags had a comeback that cost Mike Ryan 80 grand, we learned yesterday, which was a shocking number to hear. One of the most shocking comebacks in the history of the sport. Jacksonville's finest moment since then is right now, this moment. You are lighting candles again today for Boseli.
Mike Ryan
Yeah, it's. It's. As one of. That's probably the biggest Jags person on the planet, basically, at this point, I'm very excited. I think. I think Jacksonville, they did a lot of stupid things. Dan, if you want me to be really honest, I don't know anybody in the NFL that throws past the line scrimmage. More than enough of you.
Dan Le Batard
You gave up on them after one week. You said this is their year. Then they lost week one and you gave up on them. And now you're the biggest Jags representative on this. Get out of here.
Mike Ryan
That's. That again, enough from you, Discord. Nobody throws the ball past the line of scrimmage more than Trevor Lawrence. I don't think he understands, like, where the line of scrimmage is. Like, we need to put one of those VR headsets that shows the. The line so you can be like, buddy, do not pass this line and throw the ball on top of that delay of games. Why does he have nine delay of games a game? Like, what is that? And then he falls in the play and then gets up and scores a touchdown. Like, thank God he did that, because that would have been a bad one to come back to. But The Jags, Dan, 4 and 1, they're frisky. Who would have thought that AFC south is going to be a bit of a problem in the afc, huh? Colts, Jaguars, they're doing the thing where they probably walked out on me.
Billy
Billy, he's doing four and one. Frisky Jags. He's doing Frisky Jags. Billy, are you gonna go?
Mike Ryan
Are they not? Are they not Frisky?
Dan Le Batard
Yeah, but you gave up on them week one. Now you're back.
Mike Ryan
You don't get it. You don't get it. You don't get it. You don't get it. I wasn't out on them after week one. They had a disappointing week one, but now they're stringed off a couple wins in a row. And Jags are a problem. They're frisky. Nobody wants to play the Jags. I'll tell you that right now. Nobody wants to play the Jags.
Billy
I feel like. I feel like you do want to play the Jags. You feel like they're going to figure out a way to punch themselves in the face in the fourth quarter. I feel like everyone's going to keep watching all season, expecting Trevor Lawrence to have a 3, 3 turnover game because he makes, throws three laser beams and throws three interceptions.
Greg
Yeah. Their defensive takeaways are not sustainable. They'll finish nine and eight.
Dan Le Batard
Seahawks don't want to play the Jags. Rams might. Raiders definitely don't. Texans after that. Texans are a frisky team, too, Tony, Huh?
Greg
Yeah, they are.
Billy
All right. Friskier put it on the poll. Oh, this is a good one. A Frisky off. Who's the friskiest? Wait a minute. This is how we're doing it. Frisky. I saw a stat. I saw a stat yesterday that the Ravens defense this season has given up more than the Ravens championship season season of Ray Lewis. The entire season. The entire season. The year that the Ravens won the championship, they gave up 165 points because they had to win all their games. Nine, six with Shannon Sharp.
Tony
Is this the same place you got the Jake Browning stat?
Billy
No, this is the correct stat. Look it up. Look it up. I'm sorry I didn't do it with the stat of the day. They've already. That's got to be right.
Dan Le Batard
More what? Points or yards?
Billy
No, they've given up more points already in five games this season than the championship defense of Ray Lewis did the entire season when Trent Dilfer was their quarterback and they needed Shannon sharp to get 17 yards a game so that they could win nine, six. Because their team didn't. They won a championship not scoring for five weeks.
Tony
We're going to check it out. Are you nervous after the David Montgomery stat?
Billy
Yes, I am nervous after the David Montgomery stat, but I feel like I've Got this one right.
Dan Le Batard
It's five games. It's so hard to believe.
Greg
I believe it because I think that team you're referring to gave up less than 200 points.
Billy
I think the number is 175 or 177. They've already given up. This season, it was like 160 something.
Dan Le Batard
That season, it was 165. Dan is right.
Tony
Hello, Big bounce back, Dan.
Billy
Dolly. That is.
Greg
Hello, Dolly.
Tony
Dolly. Hey, Jeremy, old buddy, old pal.
Dan Le Batard
Hey, Mike.
Tony
I want to talk to you about Miller Lite. You and I have bonded over these last few weeks talking about our shared love of Miller Lite.
Dan Le Batard
That's right.
Tony
A great partner of our show for practically its entire existence.
Mike Ryan
It's been a partner of this show since I was 10 years old, and.
Tony
It'S been around for 50 years, and they've been a part of our show for almost 20. We're approaching incredible partner status with Miller Light.
Dan Le Batard
I mean, to think that people were.
Mike Ryan
Celebrating at my bar mitzvah with Miller.
Dan Le Batard
Lite as they were a partner of this show is pretty incredible.
Tony
You're talking about the moments that are made better by making those times, those special times. Miller Time. Jeremy, there's nothing like cracking open Miller Lite with your crew this football season. It's especially true whether it's a touchdown you didn't see coming or just arguing about fantasy lineups you already know you're gonna lose. Miller Lite has been the taste you can depend on for 50 years. Brewed for flavor with simple ingredients, rich toffee notes that iconic golden color. And here's a kicker, Jeremy.
Greg
What's that?
Tony
It's just 96 calories.
Dan Le Batard
I still can't believe that we say it every week. I can't believe it.
Tony
It's just 3.2 carbs per 12 ounces. It's the original light beer since 1975 and still hitting different five decades later. Miller Lite. Great taste. 96 calories. Go to millerlight.com dan to find delivery options near you. Or you can pick up some Miller Lite pretty much anywhere they sell beer. It's Miller time. Celebrate responsibly. Miller Brewing Co. Milwaukee, Wisconsin. 96 calories and 3.2 carbs per 12 ounces.
Date: October 8, 2025
Location: Elser Hotel, Downtown Miami
This episode of The Big Suey features the characteristic blend of irreverent sports talk, heated debate, and Miami culture that defines The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz. Broadcasting from downtown, Dan, Stugotz, Billy, Mike Ryan, Tony, and Greg Cody cover a wild assortment of current events, with a particular focus on baseball's evolving narratives and controversy surrounding NFL coach-player conduct. The group's familiar bickering is offset by genuine insight, comedic riffs, and occasional pivots into the sociopolitical landscape of Miami and American sports.
[02:43 – 06:54]
[07:09 – 14:13]
[14:41 – 26:05]
[33:21 – 36:20]
[37:18 – 47:15]
[19:18 – 28:59; 47:15 – 48:55]
On the “Big Dumper” nickname:
On the Cardinals’ collapse:
Gannon's apology (characterized by the crew):
On the unfairness of public shaming of players:
On Miami and the Freedom Tower Casino:
Tony’s Jags fandom:
The episode is a hilarious, occasionally biting blend of knowledgeable insight, Miami-centric swagger, and joyful immaturity. The cast's chemistry is palpable, and their banter oscillates between affectionate mockery and serious commentary on sports culture.
For listeners and non-listeners alike, this episode delivers what The Big Suey promises: rowdy, original content, Miami flavor, and the ever-entertaining mayhem of Dan, Stugotz, and the crew.