The Big Suey: ¿Sí o No? (feat. David Samson)

Summary

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The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz

The Big Suey: ¿Sí o No? (feat. David Samson)

Date: March 5, 2026

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Episode Overview

Broadcasting from the Elser Hotel in Downtown Miami on "305 Day", Dan Le Batard, Stugotz, and the crew are joined by David Samson for The Big Suey. This episode combines the group’s signature blend of playful South Florida banter, their recurring "¿Sí o No?" game, and insightful discussion on major developments in sports media. Additional topics include public transportation in Miami, marathon masochism, the inside story behind Marlins broadcaster Tommy Hutton’s exit, and a lively dissection of Oscars chatter, classic movies, and basketball documentaries.

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Key Segments & Discussion Points

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305 Day Vibes, Domino’s Challenges & The “¿Sí o No?” Game

[02:07–10:08]

- Setting the Stage

• The crew commemorates Miami’s "305 Day" with energy, jokes about Domino’s wacky outfit, and plans for in-studio games, building up to a round of “¿Sí o No?” in honor of Dan’s father.

- Lightning Round: ¿Sí o No? Questions

• Q1: Should men wear thong sandals?

  • Consensus: Strongly No
  • Chris Cody and David Samson dissent, citing beach practicality and South Florida culture.
    • David Samson: “I have a flip flop tan...Now I'm in the Northeast. I have to put makeup on it to remind me of being home in Florida.” [03:50]
  • Mike Ryan: “It's a white guy thing.” [03:38]

• Q2: Should a Cuban steak sandwich ("Bango bay") have mayonnaise?

  • Fiery debate on culinary authenticity.
  • Mike: “It's basically sandwich lube.” [04:36]
  • Group splits along South Florida and nostalgic lines.

• Q3: Are ‘Pata Sucia’ (dirty bare feet in public) a deal breaker?

  • Dan: “They're in the bed. The dirty feet are in the bed.” [05:59]
  • David Samson: “She's got to get in the shower before the sheets.” [06:47]
  • Mike Ryan: “It's a state of mind. It's a state of being a pata susia.” [07:02]

• Q4: Is it acceptable to use an umbrella in light rain?

  • Mixed feelings; Samson rails against umbrellas:
    • David Samson: “I'm not a schlepper...Why would you ever need an umbrella when you’re just going from car to air conditioning?” [07:45]
  • Mike Ryan: “It's a game of chance...it rains every day during the summer but just for five minutes at a time.” [08:07]

• Q5: Do you ride the bus in Miami?

  • Dan pushes back on classism, reveals his frequent trolley use.
    • Dan: “I think the trolley qualifies…especially when it rains because I don’t have an umbrella.” [09:51]
  • David Samson: “I only knew there were buses because we would put ads on them.” [09:35]

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Deep Dive: The Warner Bros–Paramount–Netflix Saga

[10:08–15:50]

- Netflix’s Multi-Billion Dollar Breakup Fee

• Dan seeks Samson’s unique business acumen on media mega-mergers.

• Samson explains: Breakup fees defend exclusivity in major deals—here, Netflix gets $2.8 billion after failing to land the acquisition.

  • David Samson: “It's like a nuisance fee...You went and dated someone else. Give me a couple billion dollars and we'll be on our way.” [11:04]

• Samson urges the audience to focus on deal percentages rather than just the headline billions:

  • David Samson: “You have to look at the percentage of the deal...That’s the whole point.” [12:17]

- Impact to Consumers

• Mergers won’t fundamentally change the consumer experience—streaming now reconstructs the old cable bundle.

  • Samson: “What streaming is now, it’s cable...we’re paying for a lot of stuff, and it's really the same amount of money.” [13:18]

• Dan calls out “STD” among the list of TV channels (as a joke), prompting more pata susia/cable banter.

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Media Mergers & Sports Rights: Effects, Layoffs, and Under-Discussed Angles

[16:54–23:19]

- Will There Be Layoffs?

• Samson sets expectations:
  • “When there is a merger...by definition there’s going to be a layoff... That’s why mergers or acquisitions happen.” [17:20]
  • Refers to “Pretty Woman” as cyclically indicative of the business.

- What’s Not Getting Enough Attention?

• While media buzz focuses on sports, Samson points to tax-motivated production shifts, consolidation’s downstream effects, and the cross-industry reality of lobbying influencing deal approvals—irrespective of politics.
  • Samson: “There are lobbying efforts...under all administrations in order to ease pathways toward dealmaking.” [20:20]

- YouTube vs Netflix: Who Becomes ‘Television’?

• Dan: “Netflix is trying to become television. YouTube is trying to become television.”
• Samson: “There is room...for all of these companies and competitors...Just get good content and the people will find you.” [22:16, 22:39]

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Marlins Broadcast Drama: The Real Story behind Tommy Hutton

[23:19–26:48]

- Broadcaster Exit: Voluntary or Not?

• Debate whether Tommy Hutton left Marlins TV on his own terms.
  • Samson corrects: “He wanted too much money. Fox said no...Not Jeffrey Loria calling up and saying, fire Tommy Hutton.” [24:16]
  • Samson calls out clubhouse culture: “Was Tommy Hutton popular in the clubhouse? No…Did we turn the volume off in the clubhouse? 100%. Were there conversations about freezing him out on team charters? 100%...But did we fire him? Absolutely not.” [24:46]
  • Mike Ryan: “Yeah, you're right. I'm sorry. I got that wrong. That's on me. It seems as though you just decided to apply pressure to not renew him.” [25:42]

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Marathon Masochism: Samson’s Trip to Tokyo

[29:38–32:49]

- Why Punish Yourself?

• Dan marvels at Samson’s untrained Tokyo marathon.
  • Samson: “I thought I deserved to torture myself as much as possible…I got myself up and I walked the last 13 miles…But I would not suggest it to anyone.” [30:01]
  • Samson: “I've got my daughter going through something way worse than this...So for me, the math was easy on it.” [32:13]
  • Dan: “You could phrase that any number of different ways. That isn't ‘I deserve to torture myself.’” [32:42]
  • Samson: “I’ve been fortunate...Why would I deserve to make another memory when...I've got a family member who can't do that right now?” [32:49]

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Hollywood Talk: Oscars, Flops, and the Art of Criticism

[33:14–36:57]

- The Bride & Oscar Odds

• Mixed reviews for Maggie Gyllenhaal’s "The Bride," impact on Jesse Buckley’s chances, and classic Oscar over-analysis.
  • Samson: “It's so crazy...Oscar winners only make good movies. It's silly. It's like our friend Nick Cage...It's okay to make a stinker once in a while.” [33:50]
  • Movie trivia rabbit holes: Field of Dreams, Ed Harris's wife, and surprise connections.

- Basic Instinct & The Scene

• Dan & Samson reminisce on Sharon Stone’s iconic scene and media lore.
  • Samson: “The only bad part about that movie...is Sharon Stone is going with the story now that they didn't tell her they were going with that shot. And that bothers me.” [35:47]
  • Group incredulous: “No way!” [36:00]

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Documentary Review: "Soul Power: The Legend of the ABA"

[37:04–39:50]

- Samson’s Unscripted Recommendation

• Four-part Amazon docuseries celebrates the ABA’s cultural, basketball, and business impact.
  • Samson: “If you’re a basketball person and you’re not watching this, then I’m questioning...your being a basketball person.” [37:33]
  • Highlights the ABA’s innovations—the three-point shot, slam dunk contest—and its outsized influence on the modern NBA.

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Nostalgic Miami Stories & Lou Holtz Memories

[40:56–43:35]

- Dan’s “Shitster” Origins

• Dan recounts publishing Lou Holtz’s office number as a student columnist, sparking the first controversy of his media career.

- Mike Ryan’s Lou Holtz Impersonations

• Humorous sendoff for the late Holtz—famed for his comically legendary sneeze:
  • Dan: “That is a wet sneeze. That sounds like a horn from a 1920s automobile.” [42:45]
  • General agreement: The sneeze is iconic, file stays open.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “I'm a flip flop guy at all times. Just not on airplanes, but everywhere else.”
  — David Samson [03:50]

• “What streaming is now, it’s cable…We’re paying for a lot of stuff, and it's really the same amount of money.”
  — David Samson [13:18]

• “I only knew there were buses because we would put ads on them. Ugh, disgusting.”
  — David Samson, poking fun at his own elitism [09:35]

• “If you're a basketball person and you're not watching [Soul Power], then I'm questioning...your being a basketball person.”
  — David Samson [37:33]

• “You have to look at the percentage of the deal...That’s the whole point of it.”
  — David Samson [12:17]

• “I thought I deserved to torture myself as much as possible...But I would not suggest it to anyone.”
  — David Samson [30:01]

• “That is a wet sneeze. That sounds like a horn from a 1920s automobile.”
  — Dan Le Batard [42:45]

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Recap Table: Timestamps for Major Topics

| Timestamp | Segment | Highlights | |-----------|---------------------------------------------|----------------------------------------------| | 02:07 | 305 Day and “¿Sí o No?” Game | South Florida debates, flip flops, mayo | | 10:08 | Media Merger Deep Dive | Netflix-Paramount breakup, consumer impact | | 16:54 | Layoffs & Consolidation | Business realities of media mergers | | 23:19 | Marlins’ Broadcast Shakeup | Tommy Hutton’s exit, insider perspective | | 29:38 | Marathon & Masochism | Samson’s Tokyo ordeal, family motivation | | 33:14 | Oscars & Hollywood Chatter | The Bride, Jesse Buckley, cinephile trivia | | 37:04 | ABA Documentary Review | ABA’s legacy in basketball & business | | 40:56 | Miami Nostalgia & Lou Holtz Memories | Dan’s old-school rabble-rousing, Lou Holtz |

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Closing Thoughts

This Big Suey episode exemplifies the Dan Le Batard Show’s unique blend of irreverent local flavor, rapid-fire group dynamic, and unexpectedly substantive media insight. David Samson stands out as both the hilarious “elitist” and a shrewd business analyst. The segment-rich format ensures listeners get everything from Miami food fights to sharp analysis of streaming wars, old-school sports drama, and movie nerdery—all delivered in the show’s deeply conversational, quick-witted spirit.

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Transcript

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[David Sampson]

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[David Sampson]

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[Mike Ryan]

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[Dan Le Batard]

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[Dan Le Batard]

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[David Sampson]

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[Dan Le Batard]

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[David Sampson]

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[Dan Le Batard]

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[David Sampson]

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[Dan Le Batard]

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[David Sampson]

the other Dan LeBatard podcast? I'm sorry. I'm not gonna apologize for that.

[Dan Le Batard]

In fact, the only difference seems to be this imaging. I have been tempted in restaurants just walking past tables to grab somebody's fries that if they're just there. That hasn't happened to you guys.

[Mike Ryan]

I've done it.

[Dan Le Batard]

And now here's the marching man to Nowhere Fat face and the habitual liar.

[David Sampson]

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[Dan Le Batard]

It is 305 day. And domino is in the other room there getting us ready for a series of, you know, obstacle courses and challenges. And I will say that our very serious guests were laughing. I aired in not asking them. I think they were laughing at Domino's outfit. I'm not totally sure they were laughing at Domino's.

[David Sampson]

Domino's outfit.

[Dan Le Batard]

I didn't say. I didn't. I didn't say there was Anything wrong with his outfit. But our very serious guests seem to be laughing at Domino's outfit. Domino, you're very excited. You are ready. Are we going to play any of these games with David Sampson? Are you ready to do some of this stuff or should we hold off because the energy is burgeoning here? We should do it at the end of the segment.

[David Sampson]

The question is, is he ready? Is everybody ready? Ready right now.

[Dan Le Batard]

All right, let's play some co. No, he does not have. He does not have on him a CNO palette. But, David, you can play from afar on remote. Let's play some co. No here. Go ahead and ask a question of us in honor of my father and what he made famous on ESPN's lineup for a decade. Okay, Mira, the first one.

[David Sampson]

In honor of Bobby.

[Dan Le Batard]

Should men be allowed to wear thong sandals? Oh, no. Strong no. Oh, look.

[Mike Ryan]

Strong no.

[Dan Le Batard]

Well, it's a strong no from all of us. Except.

[Mike Ryan]

Except for the dude that does it.

[David Sampson]

Correct.

[Dan Le Batard]

Wes Cody. No, it's Chris Cody and David Sampson. Cody, explain yourself. Nobody wants to see those feet at the beach.

[David Sampson]

Like, what am I. What am I supposed to wear to the beach?

[Mike Ryan]

Slides. Slides. Okay.

[David Sampson]

I wear thong sandals. Thank you.

[Mike Ryan]

It's a white guy's thing. It is a white guy thing.

[David Sampson]

Super white guy thing.

[Dan Le Batard]

You guys haven't been to Hialeah because the mechanic that fixes my car does

[Mike Ryan]

it with thong sandals.

[Dan Le Batard]

Okay.

[David Sampson]

See?

[Dan Le Batard]

All right. Yeah. David, defend yourself here.

[David Sampson]

I have a flip flop tan when I lived in Florida 12 months a year, 365. Now I'm in the Northeast. I have to put makeup on it to have that tan to remind me of being home in Florida. So, yeah, I'm a flip flop guy at all times. Just not on airplanes, but everywhere else.

[Dan Le Batard]

Put it on the poll, please. Juju at Lebatard show. Are you surprised that David Sampson is so white that he has a farmer's tan on his flip flops? Go ahead, Domino. Give us a second question, please. Second one. This is pretty controversial. Should a Bango bay have mayonnaise?

[Mike Ryan]

What?

[Dan Le Batard]

No.

[David Sampson]

Excuse me.

[Mike Ryan]

What?

[Dan Le Batard]

Steak. Say sandwich. A Cuban steak sandwich. You can't go mayonnaise on Bancombe.

[Mike Ryan]

Establishments do down here in South Florida. It's basically sandwich lube.

[David Sampson]

See?

[Dan Le Batard]

So you've got Chris, Cody, Zaz, and David Sampson are the only.

[David Sampson]

Put that on anything.

[Mike Ryan]

I am feeling more Hispanic by the minute. I mean, you are part Cuban. Jeremy, I'm proud of you, dude.

[David Sampson]

I'm.

[Mike Ryan]

Part of me is really. Unbutton one of your buttons on it. So for every right answer back here that we've judged you on, what do you have underneath the shirt? You have an undershirt on. Oh, you gotta get that. No, take the shirt off the cherry chest.

[Dan Le Batard]

Zaz. How you're saying yes on. Do you have panko mite? Do you like panko?

[David Sampson]

Of course.

[Dan Le Batard]

But. But mayo. Mayo on it.

[David Sampson]

Dale. Something else.

[Mike Ryan]

Hey,

[David Sampson]

Repeta pimpeta, pimp.

[Dan Le Batard]

I remember he smashed my head with a glass bottle.

[Mike Ryan]

Oh, that's right. That's true. It's a long standing. That's a play on.

[Dan Le Batard]

O. Fair enough. Number three, domino. What else do you have?

[David Sampson]

Pata susia. Deal breaker, huh?

[Dan Le Batard]

Pata susia is dirty bare feet. Dirty bare feet is the translation. Is it a deal breaker if somebody.

[Mike Ryan]

Let me see. You wrote C. This is a controversial one. Yeah, I'm in between. I'm in between.

[Dan Le Batard]

You can't be.

[Mike Ryan]

No, no.

[Dan Le Batard]

I'm in between. This is an absolute game. It's not very complicated.

[Mike Ryan]

Wait, are the shoes off in the street or in the club? That's what I'm saying.

[David Sampson]

Doesn't matter.

[Mike Ryan]

Either way, I'm out.

[Dan Le Batard]

They're in the bed. The dirty feet are in the bed.

[Mike Ryan]

No, no, it's not the Sousa. No, this what he's talking about is when the lady is out to have a good time and her feet get tired, does she take off the heels to go barefoot? That's what a pata susa.

[Dan Le Batard]

I'm aware of that. But once the pata susia comes into the house, if you're dancing with her, then you've got. Or him. You've got pata susios.

[Mike Ryan]

There's no pata susios.

[David Sampson]

I can promise on the bar mitzvah circuit, we give the lady socks. It's true.

[Mike Ryan]

Very presumptuous of say he's already. Like, we're going to. Also true. Like if she's walking down Main Street. Okay, like, I already sealed the deal. The back.

[Dan Le Batard]

It's just. Deal breaker was the question. So is there a deal or is there not a deal? And does it break the deal? Isn't that the deal?

[David Sampson]

She's got to get in the shower before the sheets. Yeah, exactly.

[Mike Ryan]

Deal or no deal? Is that why Zaz is dressed as Howie Mandel?

[Dan Le Batard]

Pata susia means that the feet are dirty, period.

[Mike Ryan]

Yes, but out of an establishment, right?

[Dan Le Batard]

There's not a shower, though.

[Mike Ryan]

Stop taking it so literally. It's a state of mind. It's a state of being a pata susia.

[Dan Le Batard]

Domino number four, please. Akihabo Is it acceptable to use an

[David Sampson]

umbrella in light rain?

[Mike Ryan]

Bro, it's unacceptable to use an umbrella in a torrential downpour, in a hurricane. So adding another button. Single umbrella.

[Dan Le Batard]

Wait a minute. Why are Jeremy and Trista the only ones giving a C here?

[David Sampson]

Hair. I don't want to mess my hair up.

[Mike Ryan]

I don't like to be damp

[David Sampson]

big time.

[Mike Ryan]

More buttons on.

[David Sampson]

You got to add.

[Mike Ryan]

Yeah, I got there.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah, I got it. Samson, I would have thought you a parasol guy. I would thought. I don't. I've never owned an umbrella. I've never owned, in my life an umbrella.

[David Sampson]

I'm not a schlepper. I don't like schlepping extra stuff. And it rained so infrequently in South Florida. Why would you ever need an umbrella when you're just going from car to air conditioning to car to air conditioning. Why carry it? And in the city, you can go scaffolding to rat to building to awning. You do not need it ever.

[Mike Ryan]

It's a. You know, it's a game of chance. It does rain literally every day during the summer, but for like five minutes at a time. And you just hope that five minutes is not essential to your schedule.

[Dan Le Batard]

I'm the only one here, though, who has never owned an umbrella.

[Mike Ryan]

I mean, I think I have one in the house, but I don't. I don't ever use it. What am I supposed to do? Bring that thing everywhere, get out of here?

[Dan Le Batard]

I have in New York City. Had to go into one of these shops to go get the umbrella, which I immediately threw away as soon as I got to where it is that I was headed.

[David Sampson]

What's the wifey? No, Dan, no. Credibility, Dan. They're not in the shops. They're on the streets. They're the street vendors in New York who come out in the baskets and sell the umbrellas that everyone buys. They're disposable. You use them once and then bang it, you throw it away.

[Dan Le Batard]

The only kind I've ever had. I don't know why you're accusing me of not being truthful in my story.

[David Sampson]

You didn't go into a store to get it.

[Dan Le Batard]

Just one of the street side shops. I don't know why we have to get stuck in the mud. That's one of the umbrellas I got. I remember it so much because it's the only time I've owned an umbrella. No. What's the fifth question here? Domino?

[David Sampson]

Riding a public bus to get anywhere in Miami?

[Dan Le Batard]

Oh, I think this is classist here. Some people need to ride the public bus like this. Yes, David. Look at David the elitist.

[Mike Ryan]

Listen to the millionaire.

[Dan Le Batard]

Listen to him. Listen. He hadn't even considered the idea that somebody wouldn't have transportation so they would need to ride a bus.

[David Sampson]

I only knew there were buses because we would put ads on them. Ugh, disgusting.

[Mike Ryan]

I'm a Metro Rail guy and so is Mike. So we kind of take offense to this because even though we don't go on the bus, never go on the bus, we go on the Metro by extension via the bus.

[Dan Le Batard]

I've told you guys before and you don't believe me. I think the trolley qualifies. Right. I'm constantly in Miami beach getting on trolleys, especially when it rains because I don't have an umbrella, so.

[David Sampson]

I see.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah. I think you're surprised that I would be using public transportation.

[Mike Ryan]

The beach is different, though.

[Dan Le Batard]

The C sign hit my tambourine there. I don't know why it's as that was. We'll get Back to more 305 stuff later in the show. I did want David's business acumen on a couple of things here. Nothing Personal is a really excellent podcast that he does with Coca every day. He's doing it three times a week these days because of stuff going on at home in his life. But he has been doing coverage of this Warner Brothers, Paramount, Paramount deal that I have not seen anywhere else. And I know this is expansive, David, so I want to you to cover the most interesting parts of this. But first I would like for you to explain to me in the audience how it is that Netflix got billions of dollars by not concluding this deal. Billions of dollars. And what it means is Netflix happy that they weren't able to get this deal because they got billions of dollars for not getting this deal?

[David Sampson]

No. You're never happy when you get paid a breakup fee. It's called the breakup fee, and it gets negotiated when you've got a exclusive window with a purchaser. Any time you're doing a deal with someone and you've got a bunch of people who want to do the deal, but you say, no, no, I'm just going to do it with you. But if we don't finish, then I'm going to get paid. And the reason I'm going to get paid is that I am going to have the opportunity cost of not dealing with the other people all this time and only with you. And so Netflix ends up with a breakup fee, $2.8 billion. And people are doing the funniest thing they're saying, oh, that's going to be used to get the international package with the NFL. That number was purposeful so that Netflix could have extra money to do a sports broadcast game deal. It's absurd. Netflix has plenty of cash. It's like a nuisance fee. It's, hey, we wanted to buy you. Well, we didn't get to buy you. You went and dated someone else. Give me a couple billion dollars and we'll be on our way. Our lawyers.

[Dan Le Batard]

But how rare, how rare is that amount for a breakup fee? Billions of dollars.

[David Sampson]

This is over $100 billion deal. It's not. It's not like you're buying a casa on the side of the street. This is a huge, huge deal. So you have to look at the percentage of the deal you're talking about. You know, 2% of the deal to 2 and a quarter percent, depending on where the final numbers end up.

[Dan Le Batard]

I know, but. I know, but what I'm asking you is, how uncommon is a breakup fee? Okay, it's not. Because I would have thought that. Billions of dollars. It's billions of dollars, David. You're shrugging your shoulder at billions of dollars for not getting it.

[David Sampson]

But you do this all the time. When Michael Jordan bets $10,000 on a hole of golf, it's the same thing as someone who makes 100 grand betting a dollar on a hole of golf. You wouldn't comment on it. It wouldn't even be noteworthy. It would just be what someone does on a Sunday. And so you have to do percentages. That's the whole point of it.

[Dan Le Batard]

Walk us through what the impact is going to be to consumers on this one.

[David Sampson]

My answer is different than others in that you're not going to be impacted at all by this deal. And there is a lot of PR going on by sore losers and by worried competitors saying, you know what you love to talk about? The streamers are getting screwed. They're going to have to have 59 different streaming services to find 42 different basketball games. Everything's going to hell in a handbasket. No, what this merger just means, it's really economies of scale. When you combine hbo, Max, and Paramount, are you going to be paying what you were paying for both? Is it going to be a little bit under? Is there going to be something weird about the Masters being on tnt, tbs, cbs, sdt, lsd? The fact of the matter is that what streaming is now, it's cable. And for those of you too young watching, there used to be something called the cable package. And you're never quarters but for cord cutters. The reason we cut was we didn't want that cable bundle. We wanted to decide what we wanted. But now that we know what we want, we're paying for a lot of stuff. And it's really the same amount of money.

[Dan Le Batard]

Std. So std, Was that necessary?

[David Sampson]

What was your question, Dan?

[Dan Le Batard]

Std.

[David Sampson]

It's what you get when you don't wear bastardes or flip flops.

[Mike Ryan]

You know, like there's probably a correlation because if you're like this unsanitary here, there's, it's a meta thing, the pata susia. That's why I'm telling you it's, it's more than just a choice. It's a state of being.

[David Sampson]

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[Mike Ryan]

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[David Sampson]

Don Lerd Tass Stas. This is the Dan Lebatar show with the stugats. Are we going to get some layoffs? Samson, like, what's the. I guess internal. Oh, my God.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah, he's the worst.

[David Sampson]

No, but listen.

[Dan Le Batard]

Why? Why before you.

[David Sampson]

Before you criticize a relationship that. I'm just starting with her. When there is a merger of any kind and you've got two people doing the same job, by definition there's going to be a layoff because you only need one person doing that job. That's why mergers or acquisitions happen. It's been going on since the days of Pretty Woman. It's not exactly that we're forging new territory here. And it happens not just in sports, but in. In every business you've ever been associated with. When you consolidate, that means layoffs and reallocation of people to other positions.

[Dan Le Batard]

Before I contaminate your relationship with her, you're being introduced to her and your first words are, I hope there are

[David Sampson]

layoffs, because why else would a deal like that happen? It's happening because ASLAF wanted to collect about just under a billion dollars. I mean, that sounds good. And he's getting bad press for it. That's just. Just incidental. The reason why this is happening is it's best for all of the shareholders of Warner Brothers Discovery not to have it break up into the two companies. That. That was the plan. And by the way, with Netflix, that still would have happened. There would have been a remaining company of Warner Brothers, and everyone was like, hold on, let's cash out. Let's get the money for the shareholders and move right along.

[Dan Le Batard]

Give us the most interesting thing. As you've studied this from every angle, okay? Nothing personal does an extraordinary job of covering a lot of different things. But in particular, what do you think is the most Interesting thing here. Of all the things. And what's the thing that most people aren't talking about that they should be talking about?

[David Sampson]

Well, everyone's talking about sports as the. What is the driver of value for all of these streamers? Like Netflix is doing more live events or are they going to get more involved in sports? Because we're sports and we're Sports adjacent and DraftKings and everything else. But really what I'm looking at is all the other business silos and the impact that will have. So let's look outside of sports and let's if you want, we can just go entertainment and we can go to the movie side, to the production side. As it is, production is not happening in Los Angeles the way it used to be. Production has moved to places where it is more tax advantageous, whether it's Nashville or a lot in Canada, a lot overseas. And what you're seeing is a lot of PR saying that there's Make America first and everything's coming back to America. But the truth is there's a lot of business that's going outside of America. And these industries, the entertainment industries are at a crossroads because their profitability has declined and they've got to bolster it up. That's why you see consolidation, that's why you see mergers. But then what happens after is really important. The cost cutting and then the efficiencies that you get on the expense side. And the hope is that no one will know difference.

[Dan Le Batard]

And what would be the thing that people aren't talking about enough? Is it that or is it something else that they're not noticing here?

[David Sampson]

So I don't think there's too many people actually noticing that when you government approval issue, it's getting some press where, oh, it looks like it's fixed. And Larry Ellison was at the State of the Union and what are we doing here? Was it always going to be the Ellison's? Because the relationship with Trump and the truth is in Washington that those kind of shenanigans have nothing to do with Trump. They have nothing to do with Obama or Clinton or left or right. There are lobbying efforts that go on with these corporations at all times under all administrations in order to ease pathways toward dealmaking. It happens with chip companies, it happens with entertainment companies, tech companies, rental car companies, it doesn't matter. And what people are trying to do. And I understand all the reasons we want to be against everything that is happening that we're seeing in this world and in this country right now. But there's certain Things like this that have been going on forever.

[Dan Le Batard]

YouTube is at 40 billion hours of sports watch time on the platform in 2025. What do you do with that information that's coming from their VP of subscriptions? He told Andrew Marchand that 40 billions of hours of sports watch time last year.

[David Sampson]

I was just trying to quickly do the math of what that means. 40 billion. There's only 24 hours in a day. I'm thinking about how long our shows are. So we're asking for, you know, just six hours for the two of us. And then he got to add Zazz and all the, all the great shows. Everything else we're doing so hoops. And that's 20 hours a day.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah, it's a lot of hours, David. It's a lot of hours. Okay, but I'm just.

[David Sampson]

It doesn't matter. No, ridiculous.

[Dan Le Batard]

The question I'm asking you, basically, look, Netflix is trying to become television. YouTube is trying to become television. They're trying to replace what has historically been television. And they're competing against each other to be number one at the doing of television. So who's going to win?

[David Sampson]

People are watching YouTube on television right now. It is television. There's no difference. People are using their monitors as televisions. That's been going on for a decade. My kids don't have TVs in their rooms. They have their laptop.

[Dan Le Batard]

They're trying to replace what television. These two entities are trying to be the single entities that become what television has been. Hollywood is collapsing.

[David Sampson]

So listen, Mike, I mean, I, I don't want to say that everything's collapsing or that Hollywood is collapsing, but there are people in your industry, like your competitors who say that YouTube is nothing. And that's why Netflix is the place to be for a podcast. And that obviously is totally self serving and incorrect. The reality is that, that there is room in this industry, in the television industry for all of these companies and competitors, Netflix, YouTube, all of the places where we get content. And right now they're just doing sort of a BDC saying, I've got 40 billion, I've got 40 billion, I've got 50 billion. Give me a break, would you? Just get good content and the people will find you.

[Dan Le Batard]

Jeremy has been dying to get into the show here all week on Marlin's coverage. And you sent me a text that surprised me, David. Jeremy, has anybody talked about the idea that legendary broadcaster Tommy Hutton might not be going out exactly on his own terms?

[David Sampson]

Is that right?

[Dan Le Batard]

Well, have you heard any theories on this? Because David Sampson, Has a different theory on this that I had not heard.

[Mike Ryan]

I have not heard that, like, in every conversation I've had with Tommy.

[David Sampson]

It was all about, like, I'm at a stage where I'm still healthy and

[Mike Ryan]

want to live the rest of my life.

[David Sampson]

What do you tell you? I mean, I think so.

[Mike Ryan]

I asked straight up, like, is this your decision?

[David Sampson]

And his answer was yes.

[Mike Ryan]

He wanted to come back. Now TV landscape is changing, and obviously now the Marlins are going to Marlins tv.

[David Sampson]

This is a different form of broadcast than they've had before.

[Mike Ryan]

But Tommy's been talking about this for years, and this was a decision that he made proactively.

[Dan Le Batard]

David?

[David Sampson]

Yeah, Lost in texlation. Dan, what I meant to communicate with you is that all of the grief that Mike Ryan likes to give me and he did some shrapnel yesterday, that just was wrong and I'm tired of it. And it's time that he got corrected. And I know he doesn't like being corrected. But you blamed Jeffrey Lauria for Tommy Hutton's being fired by Fox back in the day. I was there. That's not how it happened. What actually happened is that he wanted too much money. And Fox said, no, it was that simple. And then he was let go. They could not come to a contract agreement. There was two people up for renewals at that time. Rich Waltz and Tommy Hutton. Rich Waltz came to agreement. Tommy Hutton did not. That's all it was. Not Jeffrey Lauria calling up and saying, fire Tommy Hutton. Absolutely not. Now, was Tommy Hutton popular in the clubhouse? No. Was he beloved by anyone in the traveling party? No, but Tommy knows that. Was he very, very top on players who listen to it? Yeah. Did we turn the volume off in the clubhouse? 100%. Were there conversations about freezing him out on team charters? 100%. Was there talk about replacing vodka with urine? 100%. But did we fire him? Absolutely not.

[Mike Ryan]

Yeah, you're right. I'm sorry. I got that wrong. That's on me. It seems as though you just decided to apply pressure to not renew him. Fucking you're

[David Sampson]

Mike. You say tomato, I say tomorrow.

[Mike Ryan]

Same deal. You forced him out.

[Dan Le Batard]

Wait. We were saying that he was one of the most critical broadcasters in the history of South Florida. You guys did not like that. And that's why he didn't have a job for a while.

[David Sampson]

But that's not right. That's my point. If he had settled for a reasonable salary, then Fox wanted to would have kept him.

[Mike Ryan]

Wasn't us. It was Fox.

[David Sampson]

David, was there. Was there one particular instance where maybe you and Jeffrey Lauria were especially infuriated with his critical nature. No, I didn't care. Actually, I'd be. I was one of the people who didn't care. There were a bunch of players who did not care and a bunch of players who were super sensitive. There's actually a through line. If you've got thin skin, then Tommy Hutton can get to you. If you have thick skin, then he can't. And there's plenty of players who are thick and plenty of players who are thin. And that goes for executives as well.

[Mike Ryan]

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[Dan Le Batard]

I don't understand why and how you decide to run marathons. You recently, on your birthday, decided to take an enormously long flight to Tokyo to run in a marathon that you had not trained for. And then you immediately came back. It wasn't to enjoy Tokyo, it was to to run in Tokyo. Why are you punishing yourself that way?

[David Sampson]

Well, I made a commitment and I'd signed, I signed up. It's hard to get into the Tokyo Marathon. There's six major marathons in the world. Tokyo is one of them. And I'd gotten in and I'd expected to train because that's what you do. And I've done for all of the 30 plus marathons I've done. But life changed and I was only able to run once in six months. But I, I, I thought I deserved to torture myself as much as possible. So I wasn't going to cancel and I went and I tried. I didn't earn the start line, which you have to do, and I paid the price at mile 13 when I seized up completely and fell to the ground. But I got myself up and I walked the last 13 miles with just, I just wouldn't quit. And I, I'm surrounded by people in my family who are not quitting. So I'm not going to quit. And I wasn't going to quit, but I would not suggest it to anyone. My hips hurt right now. I had chafing in some very weird places, like, weird places that I wouldn't have expected. And I've been a chafe guy, you know, since I started doing marathons.

[Mike Ryan]

Your nipple chafer and begs the following

[David Sampson]

David, I think he's talking about the taint. That's exactly what I'm talking about. That's where I, that's where I would expect it, though. No, I've never chafed there. You can chafe right sort of in front of that. And so you goo that. You goop that up. I do nipple covers. Of course, the underarms you have to take care of because you can chafe there. I've been lucky enough not to have in between thigh chafing, but that's a big one for certain people. That happens. But what happened is when I got in the shower. Know about that thigh. When you get in the shower, you learn where you've chafed. And I felt something that I'd never felt in all my years doing marathons. And let me tell you, it was not good. Yeah.

[Mike Ryan]

Little aloe vera, Dan. Right on the.

[David Sampson]

That was a Showstopper Dolly around 4pm at a theme park. Done. That's when it. When you're sweaty in your flip flops. It's not great. It's avoidable. But, Dan, the answer is I do like torturing myself, and it's not.

[Dan Le Batard]

Well, you said the phrase. You said deserve to torture myself. Like, what are you doing?

[David Sampson]

I'm just sitting. You know, I. I guess my thought was that I've got. I've got my daughter going through something way worse than this. And so if she's going through something bad, then I can put myself through something that's not nearly as bad. And I think that that was much. That was definitely in my head during the course of the marathon that what I'm doing is nothing compared to what she's going through and doing and living with. So for me, it was not the. The math was easy on it.

[Mike Ryan]

Deserve.

[Dan Le Batard]

Deserve, though, Dave, like I. That you could phrase that any number of different ways. That isn't. I deserve to torture myself.

[David Sampson]

Well, I'm not going to get on your couch right now, but I will tell you that I. Of course I feel that way. I'm very. I'm so. I've been fortunate with everything my whole life, and I'm fortunate right now. I have my health. I. I've lived a full life. And so why would I deserve to have. Make another memory when you know I've got a family member who can't do that right now? So I. That's my answer. Why are we talking about this? I'm happy to do it. Whatever you want, Dan. It's your show.

[Mike Ryan]

Speaking of torturing yourself, I've read some of the reviews for the Bride, and I'm wondering if you're into the concept as a whole for the bride or if you're gonna watch it. Are you gonna support Maggie Gyllenhaal taking a big swing with the bride?

[David Sampson]

I love Maggie Gyllenhaal. Absolutely. Love, love. So people are saying that Jesse Buckley can't win the Oscar for Hamnet because it's so bad.

[Mike Ryan]

The take is. This performance in this movie is so bad that her incredible performance in Hamnet should be erased and perhaps start wagering on Rose Byrne.

[David Sampson]

It's. It's so crazy to me when people do that. Like Oscar winners only make good movies. It's silly. It's like our friend Nick Cage. It's okay to make a. A stinker once in a while. It doesn't take away from the fact that you left Las Vegas. Everything is totally fine with her. She's gonna win the Oscar. I will probably see the Bride. It'll be a stream, maybe an airplane. I'm gonna see. It may be a double feature with withering heights, but no, I'm not rushing to do it.

[Mike Ryan]

For those that are not familiar with the Bride, it is a reimagining of the Bride of Frankenstein, set in 1930s Chicago, where they're like Bonnie and Clyde. I don't know. There seems to be a lot going on, which explains the early release in the calendar.

[David Sampson]

Mike, how excited are you that Amy Mad Again is the favorite? I just butchered the last name. It's Ed Harris's wife. She's such a great actress. Field of Dreams. Mag. Mag, I'm having a moment.

[Mike Ryan]

I'll bail you out. Not super pumped. Just. Okay. I'm just lukewarm on it.

[David Sampson]

On her winning the Oscar.

[Mike Ryan]

I'm just trying to help you out here. You were searching for.

[David Sampson]

You love that movie.

[Mike Ryan]

Mm. Which movie?

[Dan Le Batard]

Weapons.

[David Sampson]

Weapons.

[Mike Ryan]

Oh, that was a girl from Field of Dreams.

[David Sampson]

Yes, of course.

[Mike Ryan]

Man, I didn't know that. So good. I had no idea. That is incredible. Wow. Kids.

[David Sampson]

Wow.

[Mike Ryan]

You're right. Huh? I didn't catch that.

[David Sampson]

I don't feel like it's warranted.

[Mike Ryan]

No, it's not sarcasm. I'm learning this for the first time.

[David Sampson]

She was also in Gone, Baby Gone.

[Dan Le Batard]

Wow.

[David Sampson]

You didn't know she was married to Ed Harris?

[Mike Ryan]

No, I didn't know that. I didn't know that she was a Field of Dreams lady.

[David Sampson]

Wow. Do you watch movies?

[Mike Ryan]

I do watch movies.

[David Sampson]

All right, Dave.

[Mike Ryan]

I saw a movie. I saw Basic Instinct over the weekend. What a movie.

[Dan Le Batard]

What a movie. Never seen it before.

[David Sampson]

What are you gonna do, charge me with smoking?

[Mike Ryan]

Oh, what a line. And they both used it.

[David Sampson]

It's so good. The only bad part about that movie, looking back, and there's only one part I. Sharon Stone is going with the story now that they didn't tell her that they were going with that shot. And that bothers me. Yeah, right.

[Mike Ryan]

No way.

[Dan Le Batard]

No way.

[David Sampson]

That's a new thing for those of you who don't know.

[Dan Le Batard]

For those of you who don't know Basic Instinct because Tony had never seen it before. The famous scene from that movie is her being interrogated and being so casual in the interrogation that she uncrossed her legs in a way that was suggestive.

[David Sampson]

Newman was shook.

[Mike Ryan]

Newman was sweet.

[David Sampson]

It wasn't suggestive. It was.

[Mike Ryan]

It was on purpose, Dan.

[Dan Le Batard]

But she says. She says she didn't know that they were doing that. I mean, he's saying it's on purpose and she's saying that the real her didn't know that they were filming that to be suggestive or otherwise.

[David Sampson]

David, would you agree she not know she had no one D's on like. David, you would agree that that scene catapulted her career, that she was pretty good in Total Recall?

[Mike Ryan]

Yeah.

[David Sampson]

Before that.

[Mike Ryan]

That's another one I'm going to watch next. Yeah, I mean, if she didn't know, why would she do that with her legs? That is not. That is not a normal thing to do. I mean, let's uphold some decorum here.

[Dan Le Batard]

We're going to review something here with David Sampson. What are we reviewing today?

[David Sampson]

I really hope, and we didn't rehearse this, and I'm sorry, but did anyone watch the documentary on Amazon called Soul Power? The Legend of the American Basketball Association? I'm getting to is four episodes of Perfect. If you are a fan of sports of any kind, and I don't know if there's anyone in studio right now who's interested or has a show called Alley Oops or anything like that. But if you're a basketball person and you're not watching this, then I'm questioning the rebar in your being a basketball

[Dan Le Batard]

person, he's coming after you.

[David Sampson]

If you're a basketball fan, you should have watched this. Are you like, My question is. I'm sorry, I know we're just getting to know each other. Are you a sports fan? Yes, I love sports. Basketball is my favorite sport. I'm not. I was never a baseball fan. That was my job. Basketball, to me is always, always been my true love.

[Dan Le Batard]

He was a heckler. Trista. He was a heckler. He went to Knicks games and he would heckle the players.

[David Sampson]

Biggest test of a true fan. No, I went to games. I watched games. I would not make plans, both as a college student or a law student or a husband or A father, which may explain all sorts of things, but I would not make plans on either any home game or road game of the Knicks, as I was a New Yorker and the Knicks were everything to me. I watched every single game from 1975 until 1999. So 24 straight years before I got into baseball and couldn't really do it anymore. And the highlight of my life, Trist, if we're just getting to know each other, is not winning the World Series. The highlight was when the Knicks beat the Pacers in 1994 to finally make it to the Finals for the first time in my fandom. And it was the most meaningful experience I've ever had in sports by far. And I've had some really cool ones. But this, this documentary, four parts, that is George Carl is involved. Julius Irving, if you know, obviously the doctor, but he got his start with the New York Nets in the, the aba. There's Dan Issel, There's a Darnell Hillman who's in it, who was always the guy. That's the Fletch character, the one with the, you know, six, four. With the, with the Afro. The Afro, exactly. So it is. It is. I learned so much. Some of the great business deals of all time happened in the merger of the NBA and the aba and there was consolidation and people did lose their jobs. And the three point shot started in the aba. Think about that. People don't realize that, so they slam dunk contest started in the aba, not in the NBA. The ABA game was way closer to the what the game is today than what the NBA ever was back then. So it's really interesting to learn about this part of the history of the game you love.

[Dan Le Batard]

Sampson, we'll talk to you next week. Again, I will encourage everybody in the audience. Nothing Personal is the podcast. It continues to grow at a great rate because he does, and Coca does a great job with that. So check out Nothing Personal wherever it is that you get your podcast. Thank you, sir. I have gone the entire show here over the course of two hours. There are any number of things that make me regularly feel old in sports. Jermaine O' Neal, Jr. Playing for SMU. I mean, I'm old enough to remember. Jermaine O' Neill came straight out of high school. His father came straight out of high school into the league and was unusually good as a young person. And more recently, what's happening more and more is that people who are a part of my past are dying. Lou Holtz represents the first controversy of my career. Tony has accused Me of not standing on business. On standing on shenanigans.

[Mike Ryan]

An empire built on shenanigans. Here.

[Dan Le Batard]

The first controversy I ever had writing anything was in the school paper at the University of Miami Hurricane before they played the University of Miami in a game. That was plenty, you know, fiery. Without my help. I printed Lou Holtz's phone number in the college newspaper and told University of Miami students to call that number.

[Mike Ryan]

So you've been a rabble rouser shitster your entire life. You got what it is. Did it have an area code when you put it out there or is it just seven different digits?

[Dan Le Batard]

It was his office number. It was not his home. Well, it was more respectful. I don't think his administrative assistant was very happy with me. Neither was Jimmy Johnson for that matter. Jimmy Johnson. That's the first time Jimmy Johnson got mad at me.

[David Sampson]

What were you. What were you asking people to like? You weren't just. You just put his number like you want.

[Dan Le Batard]

I said shower him with praise. I said shower him. Compliment him on being Notre Dame spiritual. Lovely. I asked Mike Ryan. I requested Mike Ryan to do his Lou Holtz impersonation from the beyond. Because it's a flattering impersonation meant to honor the memory of Lou Holtz. We now have to. And we have to clear out our Lou Holtz file in our library.

[David Sampson]

Respectfully.

[Dan Le Batard]

Respectfully, yes. So let's clear it out. The sneeze is something that I remember. The legendary broadcasting sneeze. That is a bigger memory of Rhys Davis because of how quickly he reacted to it. Mentioned Amir Abdullah.

[David Sampson]

Now Marshall. Usually it's all Rakeem Kato, who did throw a touchdown pass in his 40. Devin Johnson put up 272 yards.

[Dan Le Batard]

That's a Marshall record. Nothing to sneeze at.

[David Sampson]

Oh, that's a host. That's a. That's a polished host.

[Dan Le Batard]

That is a wet sneeze. That sounds like a horn from a 1920s automobile. It's wet.

[David Sampson]

Hey, yo.

[Mike Ryan]

A lot of spray at the end.

[David Sampson]

It is ao. Respectfully.

[Dan Le Batard]

Okay. That doesn't mean we have to retire. That does it though. Once we. Once we end the.

[Mike Ryan]

I think we can keep the sneeze.

[Dan Le Batard]

I don't. I just asked to empty the file. And that's where we started. Do we have any Lou Holtz impersonations by Mike Ryan? Because I was hoping that our library. I was hoping that we could wrestle that away from.

[Mike Ryan]

And will certainly not be doing that because I am respectful.

[Dan Le Batard]

So we don't have any of that. Do we have anything else in our library. Our Lou library. No. We have to have more than just the wet sneeze. That sounds like a 1919-20s Studebaker. It is. It's crowded at an intersection.