The Big Suey: Stan Van In or Stan Van Out? (feat. Jeremy Taché)

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Episode: The Big Suey: Stan Van In or Stan Van Out? (feat. Jeremy Taché)
Release Date: July 3, 2025

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1. MLB Highlights and Player Discussions

The episode kicks off with Dan LeBatard and Stugotz delving into the current Major League Baseball (MLB) season. They highlight standout performances from players like Barry Larkin, Rafael Palmeiro, and Nick Markakis, emphasizing the heightened demand for game tickets. Dan promotes the GameTime app, offering listeners a discount code to purchase MLB tickets ([01:31]).

Stugotz notes, "Mike has not really been paying attention to baseball since Nick Markakis. He's missing out on some pretty good stuff." ([02:08])

The conversation shifts to Dan's affiliation with the Seattle Mariners, praising Big Dumper for an exceptional season: "It seems as though Big Dumper's having an all-time season for baseball." ([02:16])

2. Clayton Kershaw's Milestone and Strikeout Debate

A significant portion of the discussion centers around Clayton Kershaw reaching 3,000 career strikeouts—a milestone Dan finds noteworthy despite comparisons to legendary pitcher Randy Johnson, who boasts approximately 5,000 strikeouts.

Stugotz challenges this achievement, stating, "I don't think that you have the numbers right," ([03:06]) to which Mike Ryan responds, "Clayton Kershaw has 400 strikeouts less than Max Scherzer." ([03:12])

The debate intensifies as they discuss the impact of Kershaw's pitching style, particularly his "slingshot" delivery, making his strikeouts even more impressive given his physique. Stugotz remarks, "The slingshotting of a baseball when you're 6:10 from the arm angle that's on top of you makes it nearly impossible." ([03:18])

3. Umpire Incident and Rule Debate

The episode features an in-depth discussion with Jeremy Taché regarding a controversial play at Marlins Park where an umpire was struck by a high-velocity line drive pitched by Kyle Stowers. This incident raised questions about the clarity and flexibility of MLB's rules.

Jeremy explains, "They moved Lindor out of the leadoff spot for the first time against Misarowski. They beat him. The Mets did. And they got the grand slam from Ninmo, who was playing instead of Lindor in the leadoff spot because the manager is brilliant." ([03:34])

The crux of the debate revolves around the rule that dictates a dead ball if it hits the umpire. Stugotz argues for more discretionary judgment, stating, "I want my judges to be arbiters. I want them to use judgment. I don't want my rules to be absolute." ([05:58])

Jeremy adds, "Having conversations with the commissioner's office about changing that rule is something that umpires would be open to, but it opens a can of worms when you're looking at interpretation like that." ([05:54])

The segment highlights the tension between strict rule adherence and the need for situational judgment, especially in unprecedented scenarios like the umpire being struck by a ball.

4. Film Industry Insights with Jerry Bruckheimer

Shifting gears, the hosts discuss iconic film director Jerry Bruckheimer, covering his extensive filmography that includes blockbuster hits like "Pirates of the Caribbean," "Top Gun," "Bad Boys," and "National Treasure."

Stugotz humorously questions, "How do you pronounce it? Caribbean or Caribbean?" leading to a playful banter about the correct pronunciation of "Caribbean" ([04:38]).

Billy emphasizes Bruckheimer's influence, saying, "He got an extra hour... He’s attached to everything," referencing the director's involvement in multiple high-grossing films ([04:25]).

This discussion underscores Bruckheimer's impact on Hollywood, highlighting his knack for creating enduring and commercially successful franchises.

5. Jake Paul's Boxing Career and Controversies

A substantial portion of the episode is dedicated to analyzing Jake Paul's foray into professional boxing. The hosts explore his ranking within the Cruiserweight division, questioning the legitimacy of his position based solely on his fame rather than merit.

Stugotz critiques Paul's ranking, stating, "He's only there because of the amount of fame his name [has], not because of his actual skill in boxing." ([24:26])

Dan defends Jake to an extent, noting, "I'm happy he exists because I like how he goes at Dana White. I like how he touts fair pay for fighters. I like what he does with some of the cards, especially when it comes to women's boxing and women's combat sports." ([27:20])

However, the conversation reveals skepticism about Paul's long-term viability in professional boxing. Stugotz asserts, "It's all attention based, it's all based on dollars he will bring in. It's all marketing. He absolutely does not merit being one of the top 15 fighters in his weight class." ([24:24])

The hosts debate whether Jake Paul should pursue a legitimate title fight to validate his standing or continue leveraging his fame for spectacle matches. Dan posits, "If he's not actually gonna go through any other ranked boxers and just keep climbing because he's a spectacle, he needs to finally get a title fight and that'll be big." ([29:08])

6. Umpire Interaction and Game Dynamics

Returning to baseball, the hosts discuss the interaction between umpires and players, particularly focusing on the recent incident involving an umpire's reflexes. Stugotz questions the rigidity of the rules, asking, "Are you automatically awarded first base if you accidentally kill the umpire with a line drive off your bat?" ([10:13])

Jeremy responds, "Technically, that would be the case. It would be a dead ball." ([10:29])

This segment further explores the implications of enforcing strict rules versus allowing umpires discretion, especially in rare and unforeseen situations.

7. Final Discussions and Audience Engagement

In the closing segments, the hosts engage in playful banter about the show's demographics and their alignment—or lack thereof—with Jake Paul's fanbase. They debate whether their audience represents the typical supporters of high-profile boxing matches like Paul's.

Stugotz muses, "Jake Paul's demo is 20 to 30 or 30 to 40 at LeBatard show." ([36:15])

Dan counters, "Respectfully, we're sports fans that buy premium live events for big-time sporting events. We are the people he should be appealing to." ([38:16])

The episode concludes with a lighthearted approach, inviting listeners to participate in polls and share their purchasing experiences regarding the discussed events.

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Notable Quotes:

• Stugotz ([02:08]): "Mike has not really been paying attention to baseball since Nick Markakis. He's missing out on some pretty good stuff."

• Dan LeBatard ([02:16]): "It seems as though Big Dumper's having an all-time season for baseball."

• Stugotz ([05:58]): "I want my judges to be arbiters. I want them to use judgment. I don't want my rules to be absolute."

• Stugotz ([24:26]): "He's only there because of the amount of fame his name [has], not because of his actual skill in boxing."

• Dan LeBatard ([29:08]): "If he's not actually gonna go through any other ranked boxers and just keep climbing because he's a spectacle, he needs to finally get a title fight and that'll be big."

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Insights and Conclusions:

• MLB Performance Metrics: The hosts underscore the evolving nature of baseball metrics, debating the significance of traditional milestones like strikeouts in an era increasingly dominated by home runs.

• Rule Flexibility in Sports: The umpire incident serves as a focal point for discussing the balance between rigid rule enforcement and the necessity for situational judgment in sports officiating.

• Impact of Fame in Sports Rankings: The debate surrounding Jake Paul's boxing career highlights concerns over fame overshadowing actual athletic merit in determining rankings and legitimacy within professional sports.

• Cultural Influence on Sports Perception: The conversation touches on how modern marketing and brand management influence public perception and success in both sports and entertainment industries.

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This episode of The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz offers a multifaceted discussion encompassing traditional sports analysis, controversial rule interpretations, and the intersection of fame with athletic credibility. Through engaging banter and insightful debates, the hosts provide listeners with a comprehensive look into current sports dynamics and cultural phenomena.

Transcript

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[Stugotz]

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[Dan LeBatard]

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[Stugotz]

Mike has not really been paying attention to baseball since Nick Marques. He's missing out on some pretty good stuff.

[Dan LeBatard]

I follow the Mariners and it seems as though Big Dumper's having an all time season for baseball.

[Stugotz]

It's unbelievable. Not for a catcher, for anybody. He's awesome for a catcher. I'm watching yesterday, Jacob Mizaroski for the Brewers. Another one of these guys who throws 100 miles an hour, and it doesn't even make sense because he's so skinny. And it's just all slingshot. It's six, seven. If that guy weighs 190 pounds, it would be a lot. And it's all slingshot. And I saw that Clayton Kershaw just got his 3,000 strikeout last night, which is impressive until you consider that Randy Johnson has about 5,000, because the slingshotting of a baseball when you're 610 from the arm angle that's on top of you makes it nearly impossible. Hip like. I've seen guys against Misarovsky contort themselves into a corkscrew. Professional hitters trying to hit his slider because it goes from the center of the plate to their knees.

[Mike Ryan]

He also, and I was surprised by this, has like, 400 career strikeouts less than Max Scherzer.

[Stugotz]

I don't think that you have the numbers right.

[Mike Ryan]

Clayton Kershaw has 400 strikeouts less than Max Scherzer.

[Stugotz]

Okay, so Kershaw. I thought you were doing miserab.

[Mike Ryan]

No, no, he has substantially less.

[Stugotz]

Not. Not that many less, given how he started. Like, he's the first pitcher ever to come out of the box. His first three games doesn't allow any hits, and he's just striking everybody out.

[Dan LeBatard]

Point remains, if you want to sit in your seat and cheer on you, Baldo Jimenez, download the Game Time app today.

[Stugotz]

It is the point that remains. Did you guys see yesterday? I don't know if you guys care about this at all, but they moved Lindor out of the leadoff spot for the first time against Misarowski. They beat him. The Mets did. And they got the grand slam from Ninmo, who was playing instead of Lindor in the leadoff spot because the manager is brilliant.

[Dan LeBatard]

I did. It was a main topic at the dinner table last night.

[Stugotz]

Jeremy. 3,000 strikeouts. He's joining us live from Marlins Park. 3,000 strikeouts. Does it still mean anything? We've got Pitch Clock later in the show. We're going to be obsessed with baseball. In the last hour, we've got Jerry Bruckheimer, the director of the F1 movie. And what else? What else has he made? Billy?

[Dan LeBatard]

Well, producer of the F1 movie.

[Stugotz]

Producer. Excuse me.

[Mike Ryan]

Yeah, he's attached to everything. Pirates of the Caribbean, Top Gun, Maverick, Bad Boys, National Treasure, Blackhawk Down, Days of Thunder, Kangaroo Jack, Crimson Tie, Pirates of the Caribbean.

[Chris Cote]

The first one you mentioned why is.

[Stugotz]

Kangaroo Jack in there?

[Dan LeBatard]

One that you mentioned at all?

[Billy]

Big money maker. Pirates. Huge moneymaker.

[Dan LeBatard]

Yeah. Pirates was.

[Mike Ryan]

You don't like pirates, you hate Disney.

[Dan LeBatard]

I forgot pirates was massive.

[Stugotz]

How do you pronounce it? Caribbean or Caribbean?

[Mike Ryan]

When it's royal, it's Royal Caribbean. When it's pirates, it's Pirates of the Caribbean.

[Chris Cote]

Pronounce the correct way. Caribbean.

[Dan LeBatard]

That is actually accurate for some reason. Billy put it in such great perspective.

[Stugotz]

Really did. He did it very well. So Jeremy is out at Marlins Park. You can see all of the pageantry. Everybody getting ready for July 4th at a sold out Marlins park where an umpire with bad reflexes ruined baseball last night.

[Chris Cote]

Garbage reflex.

[Stugotz]

How bad was it, Jeremy, in the Marlins clubhouse, were they mad at the umpire?

[Jeremy]

They weren't necessarily mad at the umpire. They were frustrated. You know, it's one of those things. Kyle Stowers hit the ball 111 miles an hour off the bat. It was one of the hardest hit balls of the game. And so, you know, the umpire did his best to get it out of the way. Unfortunately, reflexes were very slow and it just clipped off the back of his heel. But there's no room for interpretation on the rule. It's a dead ball. And they're going to need to call Michael Hill, former GM of the Marlins, who's now part of the rules committee to see if they can change that rule and make it an interpretation type of rule.

[Stugotz]

I want my judges to be arbiters. I want them to use judgment. I don't want my rules to be absolute. That was clearly, at the very least something that was going to allow Sanchez to get to third base. It doesn't make sense to have a rule so absolute that you have arbiters who don't arbitrate.

[Jeremy]

Yeah, I couldn't agree with you more. And I think the Marlins were feeling the same way. We spoke with the crew chief of the umpiring crew after the game and he said rule is cut and dry. Like the way that this works is that ultimately if a ball hits the umpire in the infield, not only is it a dead ball, but unless the runners are being forced to go to the next base. So say, for example, there were runners on first and second and Jesus Sanchez would have been forced to third, but if not, they have to go back to the base in which they came. And he said that Clayton McCullough came out and said, well, that's kind of a crappy play. And he said, I agree. And that was basically the extent of the conversation. Because there's nothing else that they can do. He did say, like, if the media wants to, if the teams want to. Having conversations with the commissioner's office about changing that rule is something that umpires would be open to, but at the same time, it opens a can of worms when you're looking at interpretation like that. Because what if the ball had deflected to the second baseman? Or, for example, what if the second baseman was shifted more toward the middle and had it not hit the umpire, maybe there would have been a double play. So it's. It's kind of a complicated slippery slope. Unfortunately, the Marlins were on the back end of a play that the crew chief said he hadn't seen in like 15 years, I think.

[Chris Cote]

Well, yeah, because it was garbage reflexes. I think that the Marlins should protest, if only because one of my favorite things in all of baseball is when a protest is launched and then the umpire has to turn to the stat guy and he has to, he has to signal P for a protest the.

[Stugotz]

Way that you would write it on a steamed up shower if you were trying to leave the pee on the door. It's one of the most. It's what's put it on the poll. What's more primitive, using chain links to measure where the football should go, something that they're eradicating, or the umpire pantomiming a pea to tell the official scorer in the press box that the game is under protest? When you say that you talk to the crew chief, have they changed the way they do this in baseball? When I, I covered baseball, only one reporter was allowed to talk to the crew chief. So it's not a we. You didn't talk to the crew chief. There's no we here. Somebody was sent and you took their quotes correct?

[Jeremy]

That's exactly right. Danny Alvarez of Alex Grabbase went, okay.

[Stugotz]

So there's no way. There's no.

[Billy]

You tried to claim that you said.

[Stugotz]

You talked to the crew chief. It's why I thought you were there at 9:45 in the morning talking to the crew chief. You didn't talk. You didn't talk to the crew chief. There was no talking to the crew chief by a group. There was no we. There was an I.

[Dan LeBatard]

There was one like, there's no iron weed.

[Billy]

Jeremy, you're on the scene right now. We don't get access like this a lot. I need you to go out into the field, show us where the umpire was, really walk us through.

[Dan LeBatard]

He's not going to be like groundskeepers would love.

[Mike Ryan]

Come on Come on, act like you own the place.

[Jeremy]

Let's see this. Do you see right now where that man with the rake is far from me?

[Mike Ryan]

No. Get close.

[Jeremy]

Standing right.

[Mike Ryan]

Get out there. I don't see it. I don't see it.

[Jeremy]

This is not going to happen.

[Mike Ryan]

Just get in the line.

[Jeremy]

I'm not going to get fired. I've done 17 games through the field.

[Dan LeBatard]

You're not going to get fired by whom.

[Stugotz]

Enough. Jeremy. He should be fired by as a journalist saying he talked to the crew chief when he didn't.

[Mike Ryan]

We. Liar.

[Stugotz]

They're lying to us. It was not there was not. There was not a we that talked to the crew chief.

[Dan LeBatard]

Royal.

[Stugotz]

We send one guy in. By the way, those umpires rooms, you can't describe it because there was no we there. They're so small. You can't get multiple people in there. Or they used to be so small. I don't know if they've expanded them. They've got the two.

[Jeremy]

No, they're still that small.

[Stugotz]

They got two clubhouses and then they got a small bathroom area for all the umpires.

[Mike Ryan]

Jeremy.

[Jeremy]

Manager's spot as well is the same way. Like you can fit the eight or so chairs in there that you need for people to be. Be able to ask the manager questions. But it's the size of like a broom closet, essentially.

[Mike Ryan]

If that would have hit the umpire and just fallen dead, it seems hard to believe they would have just awarded the runner first base. Like they're just been like, all right, you're on first.

[Dan LeBatard]

If it.

[Jeremy]

If it killed the umpire.

[Mike Ryan]

No, if it would have hit the umpire and the ball would have fallen dead. Ball.

[Stugotz]

Is it a basic dead. All right, put on the poll at lebiton show.

[Jeremy]

I'm sorry, I couldn't hear it.

[Stugotz]

No, you got it yout levitico. You heard it correctly.

[Mike Ryan]

Who would ask that?

[Stugotz]

Put it on the poll at lebiton show. Are you automatically awarded first base if you accidentally kit kill the umpire with a line drive off your bat? Because I think you are.

[Mike Ryan]

Well, tell Danny that.

[Dan LeBatard]

Ask.

[Jeremy]

I do think that. Yeah, technically that would be the case. It would be a dead ball. It would be a dead umpire and it would be.

[Stugotz]

All right, see. See you later, Jeremy. Thank you. That's good analysis.

[Dan LeBatard]

Did you guys know that Kansas city royals are not named after royalty but rather a big livestock show?

[Stugotz]

I had no idea.

[Dan LeBatard]

Yeah, in the 1890s, there was a big livestock show called the. The royal livestock and they just adopted the crown because it made a hell of a lot more Sense than a logo tied to livestock. Jeremy, you know something about me, right? You know when I'm grilling outside and it's summertime? You know how I supplement my summertime? Of course I do. I make it Miller time. Of course. That beautiful white can. Oh, when it's so hot outside, I just. I just put it right to my forehead right there. And I just roll it sometimes right on the forehead, cool my body down, and then I crack it open. Instant relief. And then that first sip, brother, does that first sip.

[Jeremy]

That is a top five sequence of events that you can possibly go through.

[Dan LeBatard]

I'm just serenity now. When I just imagine that first sip of Miller Light, just thinking about it.

[Mike Ryan]

It'S making me happy.

[Dan LeBatard]

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[Stugotz]

Don LeBatard.

[Chris Cote]

I've never stepped foot on that campus.

[Stugotz]

I.

[Chris Cote]

If you told me right now, your life depends on it. Go to Santa Fe University and just, just, just take a picture.

[Dan LeBatard]

Stugats.

[Stugotz]

I would die.

[Chris Cote]

I don't know where it is.

[Mike Ryan]

This is the Dan Levatar show with the Stugach.

[Stugotz]

Do you guys think in 2025, calling an athlete as a name for his team or her team, the athletics is a. I like that.

[Dan LeBatard]

I dig that.

[Stugotz]

So they were originally named because they were athletic?

[Chris Cote]

Yeah.

[Dan LeBatard]

Yeah. I mean, you see that a lot in soccer. Athletic club, any team that's AC or Atletico Madrid. I dig that. We should do more acs.

[Mike Ryan]

The Marlins actually weren't humans before it was Marlins, and that's why they named them.

[Stugotz]

We talked to the crew chief. He didn't talk to the crew chief. He wasn't even near the crew. Chief. He's pretending to be near the crew chief when Jerry Bruckheimer joins us. This is one of my favorite things here lately. Do you think he'll comment at all on Zaslow and his appearance, or are we just going to go? We're going to go all summer with people just coming on the show, getting a question from Zaslow, looking at Zaslo shirt.

[Dan LeBatard]

I mean, I was hoping that we'd go the entire summer without referencing. I thought that was a plan.

[Chris Cote]

Do you think he'll notice how confident I am? Is that what you're saying?

[Dan LeBatard]

You're breaking Zaz's bet? When we made the bet, initially, it was like, you wear that. You wear that every. You change it, and we don't reference it at all.

[Stugotz]

I'm not. I'm. I'm not breaking the bet. I'm simply allowing for a few more people who have been on the outside and may not have been listening the day that Zsasz lost that bet to give them the opportunity at the funny that's available when a stranger appears and starts asking us questions about Zaz.

[Dan LeBatard]

Well, I mean, do you think Jerry Bruckheimer was listening that day?

[Mike Ryan]

It's safe to say he probably was not here.

[Dan LeBatard]

Zaz, I have a plan. When Bruckheimer does join us, why don't you tone the look down?

[Stugotz]

He's gonna join us later in the show. I wanted to ask.

[Chris Cote]

Living my life, man.

[Stugotz]

Billy, something here about what DAV David Sampson is doing on Nothing Personal. I don't know if you guys saw that he had Stan Van Gundy on and the game he played with Stan Van Gundy. And it shows a very.

[Chris Cote]

What do you say?

[Stugotz]

It shows a very primitive form of creativity that doesn't quite rise to the level of genius that billions do. Gotts have on. God bless football and stupidity. He played the game with Stan Van Gundy. Stan Van in or Stan Van Out?

[Mike Ryan]

Doesn't make any sense.

[Dan LeBatard]

That doesn't make any sense at all.

[Mike Ryan]

I mean, Samson just say he wants to be me already. Geez Louise.

[Stugotz]

Stan Van in or Stan Van Out? Doesn't make any sense. Like, I don't know. I don't know what he's doing with Stan Van Gundy. I mean, I understand the game, but I don't understand naming it Stan Van in or Stan Van Out?

[Mike Ryan]

Why do you start doing guests? I thought his whole thing was just listening.

[Billy]

He got an extra hour.

[Mike Ryan]

Oh, boy.

[Stugotz]

I mean, what, Stand Van in or Stand Van out is an objectively bad name, correct?

[Mike Ryan]

How did the game work? Like, what was something that he would be stand van in or stand van out of.

[Stugotz]

I got.

[Mike Ryan]

I think I understand how the game works, but I don't understand how David would play this game. I got like, stand van into this coffin. Taco, you go to my funeral.

[Stugotz]

Yeah. One of the great things about you is always answering, asking questions that I can't answer. So I.

[Mike Ryan]

You brought it.

[Dan LeBatard]

Like, what you the heat do.

[Stugotz]

I was stand van out. As soon as I saw the name. As soon as I saw the name of the thing, I didn't see where it is that they went after that.

[Billy]

We'll play that with. We're going to steal that next time he joins.

[Mike Ryan]

Yeah, good.

[Stugotz]

Steal something from David.

[Mike Ryan]

No, just stand van in or Stan van. Exactly. Right.

[Chris Cote]

Yeah.

[Mike Ryan]

That's just our game now, Stan.

[Chris Cote]

We're going to play Stan van.

[Stugotz]

You know, let's play it. Let's play it amongst each other. Let's play it with Zaz if you want.

[Chris Cote]

I'm ready.

[Stugotz]

Something I wanted to ask you, Billy, because I was legitimately confused by it. I wonder if you have a theory on it. I want to talk about Tony behind his back for a second.

[Mike Ryan]

I don't like doing that.

[Stugotz]

You don't mind talking behind his back or in front of his back. You are someone who is publicly a bit of a nemesis to Tony, and I want to ask you if you've noticed this week something that happened because I couldn't help but notice it. When Tony originally joined us, something he did that I found curious, that was unlike anyone else in our environment is he immediately put on Instagram him making a bunch of jumpers. And I'm like, wow, that's sort of the opposite of what we do around here. Normally what we'd show is a mean missing the jumpers. We're not the show that makes a bunch of jumpers with a show that misses a bunch of jumpers.

[Chris Cote]

Did you say on the caption like, hey, got a new job?

[Stugotz]

No, he was just introducing himself to our audience with, look, I'm wet from the perimeter. He felt the need to do that. And one of the things that he did this week that I wanted to ask you guys about, because there's a note off on Tony that I recognized throughout Miami on just being hyper Latin. He comes back from Vegas and ufc where he was supposed to spar with someone and did not. And twice this week he has threatened to fight people on air, threatened to fight you, and threatened to fight Coogler. And I'm like, what is that? Since when? Does anyone around here address any sort of problem by on air threatening to. Hey, do you want to fight? This is the last stop on. I'm not going to win the argument, so I'm going to win by beating your face. Is that how we do things around here? And so I just was curious if you guys noticed that this is a direct result of returning from UFC in Vegas, where a whole bunch of that crowd is brainwashed into. That's how we problem solve in 2025. We just beat your face in or get guns.

[Mike Ryan]

Oh, that's.

[Dan LeBatard]

Yeah, that.

[Mike Ryan]

That a step further.

[Dan LeBatard]

Yeah. It's hard to improvise. You're not. We're not expecting guns, but, yes, that is what we do. Sales. You fight, you threaten to fight.

[Mike Ryan]

I think maybe his cup is just. Just filling up. You know, he's had it a little bit too much, and he's got to let it out some way or another. And he was supposed to fight that UFC fighter who allegedly then ducked him and ran away. Which, by the way, can I just say, yesterday, I said, you know what? This is why I love Twitter. It's because a show fan directly tweeted at the guy and said, hey, Tony said, you ran away from him. Is that true? And he tagged all of us. And then I went to see his account, and I saw, well, he doesn't have, like, the largest of followings, but also he's not the most active. So I think Tony Burner. I don't remember his name. Was that his name?

[Stugotz]

No.

[Chris Cote]

I'm asking. It could have been Tony's Burner.

[Mike Ryan]

No, no, I think Tony would not want this guy because, let's be real, Tony lied about the fact that the guy ran away, ducking him. He's obviously not avoiding him. He had some sort of obligation or whatever. They had to go. But someone reached out to him directly to say, hey, this guy's calling you a scaredy cat. Is that. Is that the case? And I don't know if he's gonna see it or not, but I feel like what we need to do is, like, whatever. Whoever's verified, whatever, like, maybe let's. Let's kind of get that out there. So in the name of journalism, we can get to the bottom of what really happened here. Once he sees the blue check marks, maybe it'll call attention to him and then he'll see, oh, this guy said I was ducking him or not.

[Stugotz]

Is it true that the other day on one of Stugatz's properties, he had on Frank Isola and they played Iceman. Isola or Asshola.

[Billy]

Now that's a game.

[Chris Cote]

That's how you play.

[Dan LeBatard]

Mm, jealous.

[Mike Ryan]

I think that's true. I think that's true.

[Stugotz]

I saw. Do you guys want to play that? Do you guys want to play with Stan Van Gundy? Do you want to play Stan Van in or Stan Van out without Stand Isola and play Isola or Asshola with Stan Van Gundy. If you guys want to do that, go ahead and set that up.

[Billy]

Should get the Iceman to play the stand.

[Stugotz]

Isola or Asshola.

[Mike Ryan]

So do you think that Tony should be threatening to fight people?

[Stugotz]

I just think it's weird.

[Mike Ryan]

Yeah, I think he's getting mad.

[Dan LeBatard]

I think it's a lot of creatine that's flowing through his veins.

[Mike Ryan]

Really?

[Stugotz]

Yeah.

[Dan LeBatard]

Like if you saw that video, you can see he's in. He's a bigger guy and I think he's also younger, shorter fuse, and he's all hopped up on performance. Enhance.

[Chris Cote]

Tony threatening to fight people. Isola or asshole.

[Mike Ryan]

I will say this. Once this gets back to him, he's not going to be happy. If you think he's going to come in on Monday or Tuesday or whatever day in a better mood, I don't think that's going to be well, but.

[Stugotz]

It'S not about his mood. His mood's always good. He's got one of the best attitudes around.

[Mike Ryan]

No. People who don't know people.

[Stugotz]

No, no.

[Mike Ryan]

I mean, when you're threatening to fight people, you don't have the best attitude around here. That's. That's clearly the opposite.

[Stugotz]

I would say that's. That Tony is one of the few people over the last four years that I've gone out of my way to thank for his general attitude around everything here. But on air this week, he's threatened to fight two people. Two people.

[Dan LeBatard]

He's pretty good at not crossing the boss too, but yeah, he's a kiss ass behind the scenes.

[Mike Ryan]

Oh, yeah, the stuff he says. He's a victim.

[Dan LeBatard]

He's a victim.

[Mike Ryan]

Oh, sorry. Mic's on Coogler.

[Stugotz]

And you though, choosing you two to fight when you two.

[Mike Ryan]

That's a classic bully thing. He thinks that he can beat up the nerds. That's fine.

[Dan LeBatard]

I saw Tony matchmaking like Jake Paul.

[Mike Ryan]

Never heard of Revenge of the Nerds.

[Billy]

I saw Tony.

[Mike Ryan]

I don't know how that movie works, but I assume the nerds win at the end and the bullies lose.

[Chris Cote]

The nerds actually all die.

[Mike Ryan]

Really? Like the umpire.

[Stugotz]

Yeah. Hit by a Hit by a ball.

[Billy]

I saw Tony went on a podcast and like the headline was on this podcast, we broke down how 10 day Tony went from a throwaway joke to.

[Mike Ryan]

A whole identity to a brand. I think is from that moment is.

[Billy]

A nickname became a character and a character became a brand.

[Stugotz]

Yeah, it's a note off.

[Dan LeBatard]

He has an agent now.

[Mike Ryan]

Are you laughing?

[Stugotz]

That's just.

[Billy]

That's a pretentious sentence.

[Stugotz]

I mean it feels right.

[Billy]

This is the podcast putting it out.

[Stugotz]

So I'm not like a Nike commercial. It's well written.

[Mike Ryan]

It's well seven times get up eight.

[Stugotz]

Well, Brandon, Mike Ryan mentioned Jake Paul who is now ranked. He's ranked 14th. He's beaten no 1 and he's ranked 14th. And he will probably get a title fight based on nothing more than it will draw dollars.

[Dan LeBatard]

The WBA has ranked 14th in the Cruiserweight division. If you're ranked even as low as 14, you are able to schedule a title fight and if for it to be ordained by the wba and that's probably got to be the next evolution here.

[Chris Cote]

Is that what's next up that he's shot?

[Dan LeBatard]

Because if he actually tries to climb the ladder on the rankings, he's going to get his ass kicked and I think he needs to go straight to the top of the mountain. The WBA has opened that portal and I really think that's the only thing that's left for this Jake Paul. What has it been eight years of this, of him like doing this?

[Stugotz]

It's a good run, you say? You'd be right in saying that. Jake Paul, his ascent is one of the most unusual stories in boxing. But to me, almost as surprising as the entirety of that story is that it didn't get derailed when he lost.

[Dan LeBatard]

It's weird, right? It's weird he lost to a guy that was probably the toughest test in terms of age and boxing acumen. He lost and then he just kept being successful. I don't know if it's as successful. Certainly with a Mike Tyson thing that was, that was a huge bonanza that.

[Stugotz]

That represents the greatest of the successes. Fighting live on Netflix against Tyson represents him arriving at the greatest of his successes. After losing a fight, people have to.

[Dan LeBatard]

Be reminded that he lost that fight. That was one of the rare fights I was just on, on ESPN plus they sweep that one under the rug.

[Stugotz]

Tommy Fury is how good? How good?

[Dan LeBatard]

I got no idea how good any of these celebrity types or boxing adjacent anybody that fights Jake Paul is. I really don't. I have no way of knowing they don't really have other people to fight against. A guy that he just beat was Anderson Silva a couple of fights ago. Not in an MMA fight, in a boxing fight. And Anderson Silva is hella old. So I, I, I thought the conversation that we were having when we were on espn, that is, if Jake Paul loses, man, this whole thing is done. So he needs to choose wisely. He lost and then he just went right back to the old parlor trick.

[Stugotz]

He's ranked.

[Dan LeBatard]

I don't know how this continues to work.

[Chris Cote]

All right, but the part that you're surprised about is that people are still interested, right? Like that's what you're surprised.

[Stugotz]

Not, not that people are still interested.

[Chris Cote]

What else there to be surprised?

[Stugotz]

That the whole thing continues to ride along as if he's a great boxer.

[Chris Cote]

Because it's just money. That's all it is.

[Stugotz]

No, but if you're ranked 14th in the world, you've been legitimized by those rankings more than you have been by anything you've in your career so far in boxing. Those rankings, no matter what you think of boxing, making him someone who is in a weight class one of the top 15 fighters in the world brings him to a space he does not merit. It's all attention based, it's all based on dollars he will bring in. It's all marketing. He absolutely does not merit being one of the top 15 fighters in his weight class. He's only there because of the amount of fame his name.

[Dan LeBatard]

I'm just happy for an evolution on this because now the talking point when it comes to Jake Pa, I mean, he had the sideshow attraction with Mike Tyson, which largely the concern was, is Mike Tyson gonna die? Because hell, Mike Tyson almost died in training for that fight. Now the talking point for Jake Paul is this is kind of getting old, right? No one, no one's really watching these fights anymore.

[Stugotz]

Is it though? I don't know Mike say that.

[Dan LeBatard]

I don't know who like they had the club, World Cup's going on with the zone. So maybe more, more eyes got to this fight. He has his legion of fans, I get that. But I don't see the growth model with getting the layman, the casual sports fan that's like, yeah, I'm not going to fall for this. If you're going to get me to fall for this, dig up Evangel Holyfield or something like that. I think the next logical step in this tale is for him to finally get a title fight and that'll be big. And that'll be a worthy hype train. He gets a title fight and then he'll promptly get his ass kicked.

[Billy]

I'm with Mike. I watched the Tyson one. Didn't have any interest in the last one. It would have to be.

[Jeremy]

I'll check it out.

[Billy]

I'm interested in it. I'm following it. But tuning into the fight. It's got to be another.

[Stugotz]

Yeah, but you guys have this wrong, though. You have it wrong on a couple of fronts. One, when Mike says nobody's watching, you can't have Netflix live Tyson that recently and tell me nobody's watching.

[Dan LeBatard]

Yeah, we all watch that one.

[Stugotz]

Okay, but the other thing that I think that you have wrong is.

[Dan LeBatard]

But did you watch any of the other fights leading up to that? No, you. The one that stuck out was the one with Tyson. And there's a morbid curiosity.

[Mike Ryan]

I didn't even know the last one was happening.

[Dan LeBatard]

He's had like 6. 6 since he's lost and I don't know how many of them even garnered national.

[Stugotz]

This is the part that you have wrong, though. Okay, you just skipped merrily past when you said he's got his legion of fans. He can get people outside of that, that's fine.

[Dan LeBatard]

But we can't name another cruiser.

[Stugotz]

We are in the age. Go ahead and read that Tony ten day Tony pod description. Again, we are in the age of brand management marketing and it's not merit based. It's do you have your own legion of fans and can we stack on top of that? This is happening throughout the. Throughout the content industry. If you have a legion of fans in boxing, you're a spectacle, if you have such a thing. And this is how it is that he has climbed. And the fact that he's been legitimized By a top 15 ranking is insulting to any rankings that have ever been put forth in this sport.

[Dan LeBatard]

I'm happy he exists because I like how he goes at Dana White. I like how he touts fair pay for fighters. I like what he does with some of the cards, especially when it comes to women's boxing and women's combat sports. I dig it. I think it is a spectacle, but I'm bored of it. I acknowledge the spectacle that it is. I will also tell you I've seen three of his fights and only one recently, and that's because I wanted to see if Mike Tyson was gonna die in the ring or not.

[Stugotz]

I understand that you and Chris were bored, but you guys do understand a bit here that you've aged out and so is Jake Paul. So is Jake Paul on where their youth influences. He also has been around long enough that he's aged out some with young people. But you do realize that as dads, you're not the demo.

[Mike Ryan]

No, but young people's not boxing's demo.

[Chris Cote]

Yeah, I think as dads we are.

[Dan LeBatard]

I think. I think I'm like boxing.

[Billy]

You think Stu Gotz's daughters watched him fight Chavez Jr.

[Dan LeBatard]

I don't think so.

[Stugotz]

I'm saying that the demo that Jake. Jake Paul is bringing is a younger, different than boxing demo.

[Dan LeBatard]

No doubt.

[Stugotz]

And that's why he's ranked number 14.

[Dan LeBatard]

No doubt. But we're a sports show and we've referenced a spectacle and I'm running out of ways to talk about this guy. I'm grateful for this new evolution in it for him to be ranked. And also part of me is hoping that. All right, can we be about done with that? Because I feel like we've done this for a long time.

[Stugotz]

So what's the play? If you're Jake Paul, though, I don't.

[Dan LeBatard]

Think you got to go to the top.

[Stugotz]

No. I don't think you fight one time, though, because you think you risk it all. It's an all or nothing, nothing bet. I'm gonna go ahead and say I'm gonna get exposed right now by fighting the best in one fight for one last punctuation spectrum.

[Dan LeBatard]

Here's what I'm saying. I don't think he's ever gonna have another opportunity to fight for a title. Picking up the. Picking the fights that he did, maybe he can keep climbing the rankings.

[Stugotz]

Yes.

[Dan LeBatard]

Fighting tomato cans that lose to Anderson Silva.

[Stugotz]

He can.

[Dan LeBatard]

But if he, if he wants actually like at that point, I know it's boxing and he's already ranked, but this is a joke. If he's not actually gonna. If he's not actually gonna go through any other ranked boxers and just keep climbing because he's.

[Chris Cote]

Then you gotta fight number one.

[Dan LeBatard]

You gotta go straight to number one.

[Stugotz]

Why would he do that? In boxing throughout history, what you do is you line up your guy who can't fight against tomato cans to continue to make the money. Stay ranked and don't ever get exposed. Just keep doing pay per view spectacles because all you are is a spectacle. You don't actually have to finally test it until you're done with the Money Train, until it's your last bet.

[Dan LeBatard]

I actually think I can make an argument that no matter what happens, even if he gets his ass kick in a title fight, the hype for him Actually getting a legit title fight with a merit of actually being ranked will be an infusion into his brand, into the mainstream again of people that follow boxing. He loses that fight, gets his ass kicked by whoever the champion is. He can go right back, as he's already shown with the Tommy Fury laws, that he can go right back to fighting people that are related to more famous boxers.

[Chris Cote]

I know you say you're getting tired of talking about it. What division is he again? Is it cruiserweight?

[Dan LeBatard]

Cruiserweight?

[Chris Cote]

Like, what other cruiserweights in the top 15 are you.

[Dan LeBatard]

We're not talking about any of them, right?

[Stugotz]

What other boxes are you talking about?

[Chris Cote]

So, like, I know you're tired of talking about Jake Paul, you know, talk about any of them.

[Stugotz]

Well, how can I break down a.

[Dan LeBatard]

Fight of, like, all right, he's facing, you know, Julio Cesar Chavez's grandson. I don't like. I don't know. I'm not going to watch. It's not doing anything for me.

[Chris Cote]

Mike Tyson, about you not being a huge boxing guy.

[Dan LeBatard]

No, I like boxing fights. I like. I like if you have a super heavyweight clash or. Or if I pay attention to boxing. Twitter, which I do, and they say, hey, this is a good fight. I watch boxing. If it's on, I like watching boxing. There hasn't been, like, big fights to get people excited for. But I grew up in a generation where you'd go to a house party. There were great boxers in that era, and you would watch the fight.

[Chris Cote]

And that time is long ago.

[Dan LeBatard]

Long ago.

[Chris Cote]

Long ago.

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[Dan LeBatard]

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[Tony]

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[Billy]

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[Chris Cote]

Don LeBatard that was a long story.

[Stugotz]

Yeah, it's the only kind he tells.

[Mike Ryan]

It's a short one for me. I tried to speed it up for you guys.

[Dan LeBatard]

You forgot about the league's cup stugats.

[Stugotz]

Yeah, La Carretta is a place where the best of the celebrations has to be the 97 Marlin celebration because it was Levon.

[Mike Ryan]

Well, when Fidel died the first time. This is the Don Levitar show with the Stugach.

[Billy]

According to Tech Radar, a quarter million buys Dazn got for this recent Paul Chavez Jr. Fight.

[Dan LeBatard]

That feels unbelievable. A quarter million 250,000 people bought that Jake Paul fight.

[Mike Ryan]

Who else? On dazzling like it could have been.

[Dan LeBatard]

No, no one else is on that card. No one else is being advertised. And they had obviously an undercard, but no one was being talked about there. Is that all Club World Cup. That just feels.

[Billy]

According to Tech Radar, they don't actually release the buys.

[Dan LeBatard]

But that's.

[Mike Ryan]

Wait.

[Stugotz]

Okay, but legion of fans.

[Mike Ryan]

Wait, they don't release the buys. They just made up the numbers.

[Stugotz]

Radar, Yes, a lot of people do make up ratings these days. The ratings are less trustable than they have been in a long time in general. But you cannot say that Jake Paul does not have a legion of fans.

[Dan LeBatard]

I don't think anyone said that. I said, I said. Clearly he has his lead.

[Stugotz]

But there they are right there, though, is what I'm saying. Anytime you can pop up on a.

[Dan LeBatard]

Pay per view, I will eat a hat. If 250,000 people bought that on Dazn, I will straight up eat a hat. Because where they're getting that number is straight from Dazn and I don't believe it.

[Stugotz]

Well, go ahead and reach out to Skipper. He used to run Dazn, so go ahead and reach out to.

[Dan LeBatard]

And you know what Dazn's going to say 250,000 people. I want to be like, okay, let.

[Stugotz]

Me reach out to reach out to Skipper. He doesn't work for Dazn anymore. Maybe he will give.

[Billy]

I do believe I stand by that report.

[Dan LeBatard]

They're not. That number is all internal. They're not going to release the actual number. I. All right, I don't. How did a quarter million people buy this fight individually and no one we.

[Billy]

Know actually watch it cost 59.99.

[Stugotz]

What?

[Dan LeBatard]

I don't even know anyone in the. In the YouTube chat that says.

[Billy]

Yeah, I'll be honest. I don't know anyone that ordered it.

[Stugotz]

Okay, but you guys are dads.

[Billy]

I love ordering.

[Mike Ryan]

Chris is a Jake Paul demographic.

[Billy]

No, I am a. I think I would consider myself as somebody who has followed and been interested in this Jake Paul like rise. Yeah.

[Dan LeBatard]

You are the prototypical Jake Paul. Thank you, Mark, for buying this.

[Chris Cote]

Don't young people have to ask their dad to buy it?

[Stugotz]

Put it on the poll at Lebatard show. Jake Paul's demo. 20 to 30 or 30 to 40 at LeBatard show.

[Mike Ryan]

What are we arguing? That he. That his fans are younger?

[Stugotz]

What I'm arguing is that Chris and Mike are bad people to be speaking on behalf of this because they're not actually the demo that would buy that pay per view chat.

[Dan LeBatard]

If you bought it. Let us know. Please let us know if you bought this. I'm going to try to do a straw sample here.

[Stugotz]

Okay. Again though, I would say that it skews younger. Jake Paul is an influencer or used to be an influencer. He was more popular before. He's lost some of that. But over the last eight years, I would say that people who are Jake Paul fans are largely Jake Paul's age. I would say that after 40, a whole lot of people don't know anything about Jake Paul, anything at all about Jake Paul because he's an Internet phenomenon. He's not. He's not a phenomena. He's a new kind of phenomenon. I shouldn't even say it's that new anymore, but I don't know how I.

[Dan LeBatard]

Feel about you calling us old.

[Stugotz]

I'm out of it too. I'm not. I'm out of the demo too. This isn't my demo. I've objected to this on the grounds that boxing is great and he isn't like, I'm offended that this is allowed to happen. Even having seen it happen a bunch of times in boxing with just the big white guy who gets just thrown out there and then all of a sudden he's a draw because somebody wants to see each other. Either the allowed racism of Mexicans against black people or white people against black people that we can celebrate as part of boxing and wrestling. And some of the nonsense that we still hold on to.

[Dan LeBatard]

Returns are still early in our straw poll here in the comments section. Not a single yes, I ordered this fight, but we have an older audience.

[Mike Ryan]

In fairness, someone did say they stole the fight. So that person saw it, but no one has ordered.

[Dan LeBatard]

That's why those random numbers show up. Watch stuff on his own.

[Mike Ryan]

Illegally streamed it.

[Stugotz]

I'm actually not sure that our audience would be the demo for Jake Paul in any way, given that you just gave praise for Jake Paul being progressive in some of the boxing stuff he did. But Jake Paul's past is littered with a bunch of stuff that's the opposite of that.

[Dan LeBatard]

Dan. Respectfully, we're sports fans that buy premium live events for big time sporting events. We are the people he should be appealing to.

[Stugotz]

Okay, Mike. Respectfully, Jake Paul.

[Dan LeBatard]

Oh, I don't believe this is going to be respectfully when you counterback respectfully. That's not respectfully. I don't believe respectfully. Like, you seem to know everything about our audience. We're the people that buy this stuff.

[Stugotz]

How many Jake Paul fights have you bought?

[Dan LeBatard]

I saw the Netflix one and I saw the ones on Triller and I saw the ESPN plus one at a bar when he lost to Tommy Fury. So I think in all, probably in the neighborhood of four, he's had what, close to a dozen of these. I'm not falling for it because it's not, it's not good or interesting to me. There have been a handful of times where it has been been and it's either a circus, part of a larger card with the trailer stuff that was happening around the pandemic was hilarious, or I think he's actually gonna lose. I would like to see him fight and go through the promotion for a big time title fight. And I actually think he'll come out a winner no matter what there because it is a winning story. It is basically a YouTuber rocky type of story. I think his celebrity will grow and I think it'll give an infusion to him doing this sideshow attraction election he does on the side after he promptly gets his ass kicked.

[Stugotz]

Zaszlo, I haven't noticed yet. You have either concealed it very well or you're somebody who is an expert in all things. But I have not yet seen where some of your sports weaknesses are in the doing of this show. Are you a baseball person? Like, do you care at all whether Clayton KERSHAW Got to 3,000 strikeouts last night? The big story of sports last night was celebrating this number that I don't think means anything to anybody anymore except for Clayton Kershaw and Tim Kirchheim and the most die hard of baseball people. But 3,000 strikeouts. Does it mean anything to you, to Billy? I would ask Jeremy here, but he's too busy lying about not talking to crew chiefs.

[Chris Cote]

The strikeouts thing doesn't mean as much to me now.

[Mike Ryan]

Stan Van Gund out.

[Chris Cote]

Yeah, I'm. I'm Van out. I'm Stan Van Out. It doesn't mean as much to me because now with the way the game's played, it's all home runs and strikeouts. There isn't a whole lot of in between. So, you know, I, I think we got to look at it within that context. KERSHAW Getting to 3,000.

[Stugotz]

Are you guys surprised at all that Randy Johnson has about 2,000 more strikeouts than Clayton Kershaw? Clayton Kershaw, I feel like Nolan Ryan.

[Chris Cote]

At 2000 a season pitching for so.

[Mike Ryan]

Long that up it's right. It's true.

[Stugotz]

Yeah, the, the Dodgers haven't been that good this year, and yet they're nine games up or eight and a half games up on the Padres. No, they haven't been, though.

[Dan LeBatard]

They're.

[Stugotz]

They're over. Under is 100 four and a half wins on the season. They haven't actually been as good as they should be, but they're eight and a half games up on the Padres. You're so right about this becoming an all or nothing thing, though. The skill level, and it's not just. I will say the skill level is not just all strikeouts and home runs. Every single day I'm watching an outfielder climb the fence, steal a home run, and I'm like, how is this? How, how. How's the defense up the middle so good for the Cubs, where I'm. I. I just can't believe that every time I'm watching a baseball highlight, I'm seeing a center fielder climb the fence. Yesterday I saw somebody do it and their glove wasn't even in the right place. Like, it should have been stretched out here. And then he's like on the fence. He's like, here. And he catches it over near his elbow in a way that I'm like, how the hell are these guys this athletic?

[Chris Cote]

I want him to catch it with his bare hands. Hand like the guy in Major League.

[Stugotz]

Kevin Mitchell did that in a game.

[Chris Cote]

It's awesome.

[Stugotz]

I made.

[Dan LeBatard]

I go see this.

[Stugotz]

Oh, Mike, this. I. Hold on a second.

[Dan LeBatard]

I not know this because that's like my era.

[Stugotz]

Guys, go ahead and get the video, please. I want to watch this together. Mike, don't look it up on your phone. I want to watch this together here, and I want people to find Kevin Mitchell. Do you know the play I'm talking about?

[Dan LeBatard]

No.

[Stugotz]

Okay.

[Chris Cote]

I mean, I know Kevin Mitchell.

[Stugotz]

I have said before that Jose Canseco is the greatest play in baseball history. The ball bouncing off of his head and going for a home run. Mike, did you cheat and you looked at it?

[Dan LeBatard]

Look, I know you said they got to find it, but I'm just trying to put it in the video done so they can find it quickly. I have not seen the video. I just seen a still, and the still is incredible.

[Stugotz]

Now the still is incredible. The video is even better. I don't know how he did it.

[Billy]

We might only be able to put the still up.

[Stugotz]

All right, we're going to look at it next. But honestly, just for punctuation here, respectfully, Mike, you.

[Dan LeBatard]

Jeremy, you know something about me, right? You know when I'm grilling outside and it's summertime? You know how I supplement my summertime time? Of course I do. I Make it Miller time. Of course. That beautiful white can. Oh, when it's so hot outside, I just. I just put it right to my forehead right there. And I just roll it sometimes right on the forehead, cool my body down, and then I crack it open. Instant relief. And then that first sip, brother, does that first hit.

[Jeremy]

That is a top five sequence of events that you can possibly go through.

[Dan LeBatard]

I'm just serenity now. When I just imagine that first sip.

[Jeremy]

Of Miller life, just thinking about it, it's making me.

[Dan LeBatard]

Dude, the sun is out. It's nice. You have your friends showing up. You got your family there. You just had your first sip of Miller Lite. And you know what? You're happy. You're blissful. You're fulfilled. I've been stocking my cooler with Miller Lite four years, and for good reason. It's brewed for taste only. 96 calories and 3.2 grams of carbs. This year, Miller Lite turns 50. That's five decades of cookouts, laughs, and ice cold moments that never miss. It's the original light beer and it's still my. Go to Miller Lite. Great taste. 96 calories. Go to millerlight.com dan to find delivery options near you. Or you can pick up some Miller Lite pretty much anywhere they sell beer. Cheers to 50 years of Miller time. Celebrate responsibly. Miller Brewing Co. Milwaukee, Wisconsin. 96 calories and 3.2 carbs per 12 ounces.