The Big Suey: That's Some Voodoo S***

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Big Suey: That's Some Voodoo S*
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Release Date: June 23, 2025

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1. Trade Rumors and Miami Heat's Strategies

Timestamp: [05:00] - [07:43]

The episode kicks off with a deep dive into the swirling trade rumors surrounding the Miami Heat and superstar Kevin Durant. Dan LeBatard expresses skepticism about reports suggesting the Heat's reluctance to trade Jovik for Durant, stating, “It would sound insane to me that the Miami Heat wouldn't trade Jovic for Durant” ([05:13]). The hosts analyze conflicting reports from various sports information brokers, particularly questioning the credibility of Shams Charania’s initial reports. Stugotz remarks, “Shams is about as reputable a reporter in that sport” ([06:07]), highlighting discrepancies in trade talks.

Notable Quote:
Dan LeBatard: “I haven't made the calls yet to know. But it would sound insane to me that the Miami Heat wouldn't trade Jovic for Durant” ([05:13])

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2. Leadership and Fan Frustrations with Pat Riley

Timestamp: [07:44] - [11:25]

The conversation shifts to leadership under Pat Riley and growing frustration among Miami Heat fans. Stugotz critiques Riley’s decision-making, suggesting that the organization is “about as far from the top of the mountain as they probably ever been” ([16:21]). The hosts discuss Riley’s handling of player trades and the perceived inability to execute major deals, referencing past trade failures like the attempted acquisition of Kyle Lowry and the trade involving Josh Richardson.

Notable Quote:
Stugotz: “The Miami Heat haven't been able to pull off one of these big deals in a long time” ([09:20])

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3. NBA Finals Analysis – Team Strategies and Injuries

Timestamp: [15:05] - [29:59]

A significant portion of the episode is dedicated to analyzing the recent NBA Finals. Mike Ryan emphasizes the necessity of deep teams in today’s league, comparing strategies of the Phoenix Suns and Indiana Pacers. The hosts lament the impact of injuries on key players such as Paul George and Kawhi Leonard, with Dan expressing disappointment over the season’s narrative: “A champion is a champion, a champion” ([28:55]). They debate whether the champion OKC's victory was clouded by fortunes and injuries, questioning the legitimacy of their success.

Notable Quote:
Dan LeBatard: “A champion is a champion. It's hard to earn a championship” ([28:55])

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4. Multiple Achilles Injuries to Superstars and "Voodoo"

Timestamp: [30:10] - [32:34]

The discussion intensifies around the alarming trend of Achilles injuries among NBA superstars like Tyrese Halliburton, Jayson Tatum, and Damian Lillard. Stugotz refers to this phenomenon as “some voodoo shit,” highlighting the unprecedented nature of these injuries in recent NBA history. The hosts speculate on whether this trend is mere coincidence or indicative of deeper issues within the sport.

Notable Quote:
Mike Ryan: “Tatum, Lillard and Halliburton all were number zero. That's some voodoo shit” ([31:52])

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5. Importance of Team Depth in Modern NBA Playoffs

Timestamp: [16:32] - [20:09]

Continuing from earlier discussions, Mike Ryan and Stugotz delve into the critical role of team depth in securing NBA championships. They juxtapose the strategies of diverse teams, noting how Oklahoma City Thunder (OKC) managed to maintain competitiveness despite facing young rosters and injuries. The hosts assert that without substantial depth, championship aspirations become fragile and overly reliant on star performances.

Notable Quote:
Mike Ryan: “This league is different now, man. It's not like the Phoenix Suns just got caught doing the thing where we get as many superstars as we possibly can” ([15:47])

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6. Host Banter and Light-hearted Interactions

Timestamp: [11:25] - [42:47]

Interspersed throughout the episode is lively banter among hosts Dan LeBatard, Stugotz, Greg Cody, Mike Ryan, and Billy Corben. Topics range from favorite Blizzard flavors to playful jabs about professional broadcasting styles. Notably, the hosts engage in humorous exchanges about Greg Cody’s self-proclaimed status as “the opposite of a prude” and debates on the professionalism of their broadcasting techniques.

Notable Quote:
Chewy Advertiser: “I'm just trying to live up to be the version of me my dogs think I am” ([00:30])

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Conclusion and Final Thoughts

Timestamp: [42:47] - End

As the episode wraps up, the hosts reflect on the overarching themes of team strategy, leadership challenges, and the mysterious surge of player injuries. Dan LeBatard emphasizes the emotional investment fans have in seeing their teams succeed, while acknowledging the unpredictable nature of sports.

Notable Quote:
Dan LeBatard: “What is the opposite of a prude? I want to know what it is, because this is not what I look like” ([37:02])

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Summary:
In this episode of The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz, the hosts engage in a robust discussion about the Miami Heat's trade strategies, leadership under Pat Riley, and the critical importance of team depth in the modern NBA. They express frustration over recent trade rumors involving Kevin Durant and analyze the impact of multiple Achilles injuries on superstars' careers. Amidst insightful sports analysis, the episode is punctuated with entertaining host interactions, making it both informative and engaging for listeners.

Transcript

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[Dan LeBatard]

Welcome to the Big Sui presented by DraftKings. Why are you listening to this show? The podcast that seems very similar to the other Dan Lebatard podcast.

[Stugotz]

I'm sorry.

[Greg Cody]

I'm not going to apologize for that.

[Dan LeBatard]

In fact, the only difference seems to be this imaging. I have been tempted in restaurants just walking past tables to grab somebody's fries that if they're just there. That hasn't happened to you guys. I've done it. And now here's the marching man to.

[Mike Ryan]

Nowhere Fat Face and the Habitual Liar.

[Stugotz]

This episode is presented by DraftKings. DraftKings. The Crown as yours A couple of.

[Dan LeBatard]

Things that I was trying to get to before Kevin Durant broke out all around us. I was beginning to say that a couple of major league players just combusted on the field this weekend because of how hot it is. And while I'm also making fun of us for being a laissez faire parade town where Greg, Cody and Roy are the only ones out there. And Zach is like, I couldn't get parking. Mike's like, it's too far away and it's hot. And Chris is, I've got a child. But it's just a general indifference of. About the second parade we partied all.

[Stugotz]

Week was at 11.

[Dan LeBatard]

I'm going to forgive you guys on behalf of people who aren't giving you permission for this. When I say asking people to go into that heat in South Florida this time of year right now, when it's hotter than it's ever been, it's an ask.

[Stugotz]

Mm.

[Billy Corben]

At 8am when the parade starts at noon. You had to get down there like before nine to be able to move.

[Stugotz]

You know what else is an ask? Pulling all nighter at 11 and hosting the next morning. But I was there for that. I just couldn't do both.

[Billy Corben]

I was at Elbow room till about 6pm that Wednesday that I did the show.

[Dan LeBatard]

Bobby, where's the content from that? Because I was hoping to have on our social. That. Okay.

[Billy Corben]

But I didn't get in until after we were off air. Look, don't get me started on that.

[Chris Whittingham]

I.

[Billy Corben]

What do you mean?

[Chewy Advertiser]

Roy said you abandoned him in the middle of the show.

[Billy Corben]

No, no, it was in hour two when you guys were interviewing Nick Wright. I, like, I was. I got in there then. I wanted to be down there at 8am and was told to come here first. So, like, I don't. Let's not get into finger pointing.

[Chewy Advertiser]

Let's not. But who would you point the finger at if you had to point it at someone?

[Stugotz]

Probably Roy. It seems like Roy. Why? Why?

[Chewy Advertiser]

Roy's a big carpool guy. Pro.

[Greg Cody]

Into the carpool.

[Stugotz]

He's a carpool lane guy. No doubt.

[Chewy Advertiser]

Really? Roy driving the carpooling?

[Stugotz]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Chewy Advertiser]

Chris, why didn't you. Why did you take Rose or the camera in with you when you got in?

[Billy Corben]

Because I was. I didn't get in. It wasn't like a media event. I knew a bouncer there and it was just like, you, let's go. I couldn't be like, all right, all my friends, come on.

[Greg Cody]

I got in.

[Dan LeBatard]

Okay, great. You got in.

[Stugotz]

Even try.

[Dan LeBatard]

Look, I'm going to Revisit this for a second.

[Billy Corben]

We got there at noon, Chris. If we got there at 8 o' clock, I would have had more leeway.

[Greg Cody]

He's right.

[Dan LeBatard]

Okay, who's in charge of when you leave?

[Billy Corben]

Not pointing fingers.

[Chewy Advertiser]

He's not going to point fingers, Dan.

[Dan LeBatard]

But, but, but it's Roy.

[Chewy Advertiser]

Sounds like it might be you, Dave. He's blaming you, it seems.

[Dan LeBatard]

I mean, he's in charge of executive producing.

[Billy Corben]

I'm not gonna lie. I almost went rogue on Wednesday and just went straight there, even though I was told to come here.

[Chewy Advertiser]

Really?

[Billy Corben]

Because I was just like, I know I can get in. I know the content will be good.

[Chewy Advertiser]

But I came here, George Washington went rogue, and look what happened. America happened. Sometimes leaders just need to know when to follow orders and when to make the best decision.

[Greg Cody]

Thank you. Make some leaders.

[Dan LeBatard]

The thing that I wanted, though, to explore here, just, there is a bit of an obsession with the sports information people. The information brokers in sports are now the most highly paid and famous of the journalists. But there is different reporting on what was available for Kevin Durant. And I would say if some of the reporting is right, it would be insane for the Miami Heat to be unwilling to give up Jovik for Durant. I just don't know what to believe in the reporting because the reporting is making it unclear to me, because you've got different people saying different things. And I haven't made the calls yet to know. But it would sound insane to me that the Miami Heat wouldn't trade Jovic for Durant, that that would be the stumbling block. I don't believe that.

[Mike Ryan]

Did we believe Jovic was in the potential package for Damian Lillard? Like, was he a name that was being talked about?

[Stugotz]

We thought back then.

[Mike Ryan]

So, like, we're saying, we believe that the Heat, we're going to throw in Jovic for Lillard and not Durant.

[Billy Corben]

He's younger.

[Stugotz]

I mean, he's more developed. Now, here's how the report went. Initially, it was way worse, and it was Shams initial report. And as we know, Shams is about as reputable a reporter in that sport, an information guy, and doesn't mean he's right about everything. Moreover, the one time the Miami Heat challenged him on this. And Bernie, Bernie Lee, Jimmy Butler's agent.

[Billy Corben]

That was the mascot.

[Stugotz]

No, no, no. Jimmy Butler's agent also made a big public show about going at Shams credibility. And months later, it was pretty evident who was right about that stuff. It was Shams. So this is how it went. Shams comes out invokes plenty of names that would make your skin crawl if the Miami Heat actually decided to not include a name like Haywood Heisman. That was a shams report. And then the spin to Barry Jackson, and that's what I will dub it because it seems like damage control spin every time these guys now fail to get a superstar. Was that. No, no, no. Highsmith was in the deal. It was Jovich and Ware. Those were the pieces that we weren't willing to part with.

[Dan LeBatard]

You say Miami Heat spin, but. But this isn't exactly a leaky organization and they don't really like it, as no one would, when any of their players are mentioned in trade talks.

[Stugotz]

Like, you just underscored why it's spin, right? Because the leaks don't come out. And when they do, it's a concerted effort to craft the narrative.

[Mike Ryan]

I don't agree with that because Dan is saying that the Heat doesn't like when their players names are mentioned because it creates problems. And now you're saying that the Heat are actually going out of the way to say, no, no, no, we weren't including this.

[Dan LeBatard]

It's not. Hold on. It's not crafting the narrative to. If you think that Highsmith is someone that you care about as a person and employee because he's done what's been asked of him here, you might not want him to think that he's just readily available to everybody. Like, you might not want to insult him that way when you're asking a great deal of him mentally and physically every day.

[Stugotz]

You guys, I'm serious. Like, are you guys foolish? Are you fools, are you fools to think that these players won't feel like their names are being brought up in trades because the Miami Heat haven't leaked their names? As if other aggregate accounts and other reporters aren't invoking it. Do you really, truly believe that the Miami Heat can protect their players from having their feelings hurt because they themselves don't leak the names? Or is. Is this the logic that we are applying in 2025?

[Mike Ryan]

But why, after the deal is already done, they've already lost out on this deal, would they feel the need to say, yes, we definitely would have traded this guy and this guy and this guy.

[Stugotz]

How is that beneficial to them to save face? And also that kind of nukes the original point, doesn't it, that they don't like these players names being out there, but then Barry Jackson, who is a great reporter, does some digging and then the names come out anyways?

[Mike Ryan]

Well, yeah, that's the Whole point, right? It can't be both.

[Stugotz]

It. It is both because then it serves. It serves them. Because everyone is saying, what the hell are you talking about? You don't want to include a 28 year old Heywood Highsmith who went undrafted as if he's this great project of yours. Okay? It's a finished product.

[Mike Ryan]

If we're using logic here, and I'm great with using logic, why would anyone believe that the Heat would not include Haywood Highsmith in a deal for Kevin Drake? I'm sorry, I don't buy it.

[Stugotz]

Reported by Keep asking it, but I don't buy it. It's. It's believable.

[Mike Ryan]

Reporters are wrong sometimes. I would know. I'm a journalist.

[Stugotz]

The Miami Heat. The Miami Heat haven't been able to pull a pull off one of these big deals in a long time. They haven't. In fact, the only big deal that they've been able to pull off in the last few years, we're not going to include Kyle Lowry because they got hit for tampering with that. And we all know that deal was made months in advance of it actually happening, was Jimmy Butler. And by that point they had Philadelphia over a barrel. So then Josh Richardson goes. Remember, they could have had Jimmy Butler for that regular season run. They didn't want to include Josh Richardson in the deal. Josh Richardson. So you have a huge resume building of the Miami Heat not being able to pull off these big deals. Why? Because they cannot part with guys like Josh Richardson.

[Dan LeBatard]

Billy, you were trying to get in there and there wasn't quite room.

[Chewy Advertiser]

No, it's fine. My candle. I was just going to say, you're asking why it is the Heat would do that because, like, you have a fan base that's now questioning whether or not the people running the organization are capable of pulling off trades. And the decision they have to make is like, well, yeah, we know what we're doing still. Yeah. Pat hasn't totally lost it. Yeah, he's still the Godfather. Yeah, he's doing this, he's doing that. So instead they just throw out the names to kind of save face. And if they have to hurt the feelings of some of their lesser players, so be it.

[Dan LeBatard]

What does totally lost it mean? What do you mean, what does totally lost it mean?

[Mike Ryan]

Yeah, what's it it.

[Dan LeBatard]

Pat hasn't totally lost.

[Chewy Advertiser]

It's qua.

[Stugotz]

Yeah, he's definitely lost that gravitas.

[Chewy Advertiser]

I'm not saying he has. I'm saying people are wondering if he has. It's a question to ask you know.

[Stugotz]

Who has it now? Bill Zito.

[Billy Corben]

Now he walks in the room. Now he walks in the room, drops the rings, and everyone thinks it was an accident. They're like, hey, come here.

[Stugotz]

You drop something, by the way.

[Dan LeBatard]

Wow.

[Chewy Advertiser]

They start looking around. I'll make sure there's no pills in there. The dogs, the kids could get those.

[Dan LeBatard]

So that's what we're gonna do now.

[Chewy Advertiser]

We're not are doing that. Not us.

[Greg Cody]

Others are saying some.

[Dan LeBatard]

Okay, so wait.

[Billy Corben]

I'm sitting in a room at our show colon.

[Chewy Advertiser]

Last time I heard from him, he was talking about some weird orb thing that he had in his hand in a 24 hour marathon. We were all super confused.

[Stugotz]

Very strange. Called amine amino acid. Yeah, I mean, writing was on the wall. There is a case building here.

[Dan LeBatard]

Wait.

[Stugotz]

And thank you for that graphic on south beach sessions. Maybe I'm washed.

[Dan LeBatard]

You guys are being really disrespectful. You're treating him like Joe Bide.

[Stugotz]

I mean, he's a similar age.

[Billy Corben]

It was spitballed back then.

[Stugotz]

If he's dropping something on the table, is it his marbles?

[Dan LeBatard]

The idea that you guys would now make it so that he's in front of Durant and now nobody wants him to get on his hands and knees because he spilled the rings on the floor that they've just all fallen to the floor with. Clangs. Really disrespectful of a man.

[Billy Corben]

The door swings open. It used to be him. Just like his aura walks in. Now it's like, go sit over there, Pat. That's where you're sitting in this meeting, man.

[Mike Ryan]

That's bullshit.

[Chewy Advertiser]

People are doing that. We shouldn't. I don't think it's fair. But some people are amino acid.

[Stugotz]

Do you know that Pat Riley is basically the same age as Al Davis was when Al Davis pulled out the overhead projector and started going at Chris Mortensen. And everybody was like, man, the game is past this guy. He is old.

[Chewy Advertiser]

Mortensen shouldn't say the game has passed him by. That's not fair.

[Dan LeBatard]

Well, you said totally lost.

[Chewy Advertiser]

I did not. I said some fans are questioning if that's the case, which is why they have to come out and possibly disparage or upset some of their own players.

[Dan LeBatard]

All right, real quick, just put this on the poll Juju at Lebatard show what is the best of the blizzards? Because I go Heath Bar Crunch. I think that that is the best. And when Marshand he's making a lot of money as being someone who is the Blizzard King, the rat King. He's doing well. Grabbing at the end of, one would assume toward the end of his career.

[Stugotz]

That's your go to the heat Bar. You know, it's the most caloric. You probably shouldn't be having it.

[Billy Corben]

That's why he does it.

[Chewy Advertiser]

I would say the great blizzard of 48amino acid.

[Dan LeBatard]

That's why he does it. Chris.

[Billy Corben]

Billy had a better one.

[Dan LeBatard]

So, Chris, Chris, just to be clear, your joke is the reason I do the Heath Bar Crunch isn't because it's delicious. It's because it's the most caloric, most.

[Billy Corben]

Bang for your butt.

[Dan LeBatard]

That's what I do. So. So you have me now aggressively going and seeing what has the most calories. You're comfortable making that joke at my exp. Just like your dad is comfortable making fun of someone else's age when he's got reptilian skin.

[Chewy Advertiser]

If you're going to cheat, you should go big, right? Like, if you're going to have a cheat on your diet, you might as well get as most.

[Dan LeBatard]

I haven't had one of those since college, but they're delicious.

[Billy Corben]

The real asshole is the person who's like, I'm going to go get a blizzard. And then looks at like, oh, this one's the healthiest.

[Stugotz]

Yeah, this one is. I got a jerk. No, no, no. But the caloric. The Caloric delta is like so massive between the Heath bar one and the next closest.

[Mike Ryan]

You ever get the chili dog at Dairy Queen?

[Dan LeBatard]

Put it on the poll at Lebitard show. Do you ever get the chili dog at Dairy Queen?

[Mike Ryan]

That's my job. We're a big Dairy Queen family. That's my joke. Every time we walk in, getting the dairy, getting the chili dog.

[Stugotz]

A lot of the dqs in Miami Dade county are late to the whole food trend. They're just the exclusive ice cream. We don't actually have the full menu there. Again, one more time. Pat Riley is presently the same age as Al Davis was when everyone.

[Dan LeBatard]

You guys didn't.

[Stugotz]

Al Davis is any nominee old and he should not be doing this anymore.

[Billy Corben]

Oreo.

[Stugotz]

That is the same age that Pat Riley is right now. He has crossed the Al Davis Mortensen threshold.

[Dan LeBatard]

Mortensen, Oreo, Dan. All right, so Zaz, just real, real clear here because Billy. Oh, those are good.

[Stugotz]

What'd you call me? Reese's.

[Dan LeBatard]

Billy and Mike doing a disrespectful tap dance. No, a disrespectful tap dance on a man who until the Panthers existed recently is the only reason we've had any kind of winning in this town for 20 years because of what he built of the Miami Heat. So I'm asking Zas and Cody as caretakers for local reason and sanity. Mike and Billy are speaking for a lot of the fan base and being just generally frustrated. What? The Heat are always going to swing and miss now.

[Mike Ryan]

Yeah, I mean, I get the frustration, but. But my point is, look at what we just watched in the finals. This league is different now, man. It's not like the Phoenix Suns just got caught doing the thing where. Let's just get as many superstars as we possibly can and we'll figure out the rest. Look at those two teams last night, especially Indiana. Like, we could debate if Halliburton's even a superstar, period. But then everybody else, they got seven, eight, nine players. That's how the league is built now, is you have to have a. A really deep team. The Heat give up all these pieces, and now you have Adebayo Hero and Durant. Well, I already told you, I don't believe that.

[Stugotz]

All these pieces.

[Mike Ryan]

I gotta say it again.

[Chewy Advertiser]

You're also saying that you'd be fine with them doing that for Giannis.

[Mike Ryan]

Well, yes.

[Chewy Advertiser]

So it's the league that's passed them by. They're doing it wrong. They do it wrong with Giannis, and it wouldn't work. Your argument either.

[Mike Ryan]

Giannis a little bit better than Durant.

[Stugotz]

I want a limb. If they got Durant yesterday, you'd be all in on. You'd say, where's the chicken? Come in here waving the flag.

[Dan LeBatard]

Hold on. Hold on. Where's the chicken? Yells the ep.

[Stugotz]

I don't have it.

[Dan LeBatard]

Hold on.

[Mike Ryan]

Better not play it for me.

[Dan LeBatard]

Chicken time. Come on.

[Stugotz]

You're such a fraud. Not me. It's a great deal, Let me tell you. Let me tell you. It's a great deal.

[Greg Cody]

He hasn't lost his.

[Mike Ryan]

That one chick sounded stupid.

[Dan LeBatard]

Billy speak for the Heat fan base?

[Chewy Advertiser]

Me?

[Dan LeBatard]

Well, yeah.

[Chewy Advertiser]

And people do think of me as the voice of the Heat fan. It isn't good.

[Stugotz]

He's been the voice of reason.

[Dan LeBatard]

All of your frustration.

[Chewy Advertiser]

I try.

[Dan LeBatard]

You've been making fun of swing and miss.

[Chewy Advertiser]

No, I have not. I've said some people are doing so if I'm coming. And I'm reporting the news to you as I have received it. I'm a man that goes around. I'm a man about town.

[Mike Ryan]

Not fooling anyone with that move. Some people are saying.

[Chewy Advertiser]

What do you mean?

[Mike Ryan]

Some fans are saying, my word.

[Chewy Advertiser]

How so?

[Dan LeBatard]

So he is fooling people.

[Chewy Advertiser]

I'm not. I'm telling you guys. Listen, you guys, you guys are up Pat Riley's ass. If we're gonna be honest with you. You guys are not living in reality. There's a cavern up there that you guys are living in. You can't hear what the fans are actually saying. Okay? I'm just telling you what the fans are actually saying here. If you don't want to hear it, that's fine, but I can't. I can't just lie to you. I can't make up news to make you guys happy about what's going on.

[Dan LeBatard]

Cody, what is. What is the proper amount of respect to have here? Because I've told you, you have heard me over the last few years compliment ESPN a number of times on how it is they've treated Dick Vital and Lee Corso toward the ends of their televised careers. It's hard to do that in the. In this business. This business lacks a certain grace at the end. It's cutthroat. And they speak for the fan base, spoiled as it is by the relevance of the last 30 years that no one's entitled to here since Pat Riley got here. But that's the standard. And now it howls at his gate in a way I've never heard before.

[Greg Cody]

Billy's not wrong. All you have to do is look at social media, which can be very brutal toward and against Pat Riley now. I mean, he is losing the faith of Panthers fans who. Or Heat fans who. Who see what the Panthers are doing and say, why are we being left behind by a hockey team? You know, and thank you, but I don't believe. I don't believe that they made a good faith effort for Durant. I mean, that was a shit effort.

[Stugotz]

Wow.

[Greg Cody]

If they're not even going to throw you talk about Jovic Ware is the one, obviously the bigger prize. And then they're only offering one first round rapid.

[Dan LeBatard]

But I don't know what's true. I don't know what's true.

[Billy Corben]

So the bad stuff, we just don't believe that.

[Chewy Advertiser]

Yeah, we don't know if the bad stuff.

[Mike Ryan]

No, the not logical stuff is what we don't believe.

[Stugotz]

Says you made the argument. Look at the NBA Finals. You need to have deep teams. While I look at the NBA Finals, I see a team that traded Paul George to another team, got a bunch of assets, got guys like Pascal Siakam, guys that Miami couldn't get. And I look at okc and the whole thing about Heat culture is they're not going to tank seasons. They're not going to stockpile draft picks. Okay, fine. We did with the Big Three. Depleted our assets. We made it back to two finals with Jimmy Butler doing it your way. But right now, the Miami heats seem about as far from the top of the mountain as they probably ever been. Because even that one year where they got the number two pick, you still had a prime D. Wade. They're about as far as ever. And everybody else's way is looking better than Pat Riley's.

[Chewy Advertiser]

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[Greg Cody]

Don LeBatard, he has been great. He's made great hires.

[Stugotz]

I said old.

[Dan LeBatard]

We've said old.

[Chewy Advertiser]

He said all the first time I heard any of this.

[Dan LeBatard]

Greg, everything yours saying, it's all been said, okay?

[Greg Cody]

You got to understand one thing. Sts me maximum.

[Chewy Advertiser]

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[Greg Cody]

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[Chewy Advertiser]

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[Dan LeBatard]

All right, let me move on to what it is that we did witness last night, okay? Because when I remember where I was. When you heard Kawhi and Paul George going to the Clippers. What is happening there? Are the Clippers getting in the game, gonna wrestle. Where were you Wrestle the city.

[Mike Ryan]

I wanna know where you were.

[Dan LeBatard]

Man away.

[Chewy Advertiser]

Yeah, yeah.

[Stugotz]

I was at Las Rosas.

[Greg Cody]

Was it a big thing?

[Stugotz]

It was a where were you Moment.

[Mike Ryan]

Were you at a meal?

[Stugotz]

I was home.

[Chewy Advertiser]

Say stop the presses.

[Dan LeBatard]

Do you guys. I did not say stop the presses. Why would I be doing that? Did you think I was right? Did you think I was in a press room? Do you think I was?

[Chewy Advertiser]

No, you won't tell us, are you.

[Dan LeBatard]

Of the belief that I was at a printing press?

[Greg Cody]

Yes.

[Mike Ryan]

You were next to the wire, right?

[Greg Cody]

Union worker.

[Dan LeBatard]

The last time I heard Billy yell stop the presses is when he was reporting that Daniel Day Lewis was coming out of retirement. He used the phrase stop the press.

[Chewy Advertiser]

That's what he's back again. Oh, he didn't actually retire.

[Greg Cody]

Who knew he retired.

[Chewy Advertiser]

Exactly. Anyways, where were you?

[Dan LeBatard]

Stop the presses.

[Billy Corben]

Sounds like he doesn't remember.

[Stugotz]

Where were you on that fateful night?

[Chewy Advertiser]

Where were you dancing? Stop the presses. He doesn't want to answer this question.

[Dan LeBatard]

Yes, I was just like I was at the Cleveland. Yes, I could just lie. Thank you Roy. But I do remember where I was and I assume that that I didn't think I was saying anything. I know you guys were quick to seize there but when Kawhi and Paul George were traded, I feel like a lot of people remember that that was a lot of picks and it was signaling a change that at the time I don't think any of us had. Hey, and in a few years Paul George will not have gone very far and his body would break. Kawhi Leonard would have had his body break. Number of different bodies, including one last night have broken during these playoffs in the pursuit of this thing. And here's OKC with the most valuable asset you can now have in the futurized elements of this league which.

[Greg Cody]

Oh.

[Dan LeBatard]

We can lock everyone in for seven years at a fixed cost where they can't leave OKC because we can game the system by having all the picks and just create this frenzy because we've got an MVP and we've got a team that was actually too young to win the title like that. That team was great and that team's youth showed throughout all of that final. As Mike's sitting here pining for Siakam when none of us thought that was the heat standard when Siakam was available.

[Stugotz]

No, because everybody was doing the thing like we'll get Bradley Beal instead. Ok guys that were too good to even consider. Guys like Pascal Siakam because we were.

[Dan LeBatard]

Chasing the next and now you look smart on an obi and you look smart with perimeter two way players. And yes, the league changed and I will forgive an 80 year old man who has revolutionized the way that the leagues change has gone from throwing in the post to the center to three point basketball. And then there was another shift here and they did not keep up by knowing that Indiana would be good enough with Siakam as their second best player. When I don't think when Siakam went there that any of us thought it was that we thought that they would get better. We did not think Indiana was a contender because they got Siakam.

[Stugotz]

It was also a different time in Heat history. They were closer to the success of yesteryear and they had found that their way of operating was the proper way. I understand why Miami Heat fans fell in love with the way that the Miami Heat do business up until very recently when it was probably time to capitulate and they probably went a season and a half, two seasons too long. It was the right way. But now these are fair and accurate questions.

[Dan LeBatard]

Can we talk though about what it is that happened last night? Because I do. I don't want to just skip past a championship in the sport by merely dismissing it as for me, anti climax. But it was such a bummer not to see, not to be able to follow this entire season of storylines to the end of Would Halliburton be able to test them on the road and make OKC earn a championship in a way a team that young normally wouldn't win even with its regular season credentials? What I was telling you about teams this good during the regular season, all of them whip through the playoffs. They lose a maximum of three times the entire playoffs because they're way too good. OKC just won a series where they were a clearly better team that got dragged into the mud and I wanted to see them have to earn it at the end of Game seven and as soon as Halliburton went out and I feel like I'm covering sports wrong, if that's my reaction. A champion is a champion, a champion. It's hard to earn a championship. Injuries happen all the time. And just because I was emotionally disappointed that Game 7 didn't provide the narrative I wanted, that series ended and the basketball season ended in a way that felt unsatisfying to me because I wanted to see the MVP have to win it, not go 8 for 27 and be able to score 100 points and kind of win it, but with everyone out there playing terribly.

[Greg Cody]

But when you look back on champions, you don't care. Time forgets whether they won a series by a sweep or whether they won it in seven games. And time will eventually forget that they won this one partly because Halliburton got hurt early in the in the final game. Nobody's going to give OKC as much credit. And when you say that other teams with regular seasons like that dominate more than they did in the playoffs none of those other teams were as young as okc. They were learning on the fly how to win, and they did so with an asterisk. The Halliburton asterisk is going to be there for a little bit.

[Dan LeBatard]

Not really. It doesn't matter. Kawhi won the one in Toronto. Whether Golden State was hurt or not. Kawhi won the one in Toronto.

[Stugotz]

Yeah. But Kawhi also did so without being able to have two feet leave the ground. Like, look at those highlights. Kawhi was very clearly injured, too. He was fighting through it. I think you're selling them short. Wasn't just Halliburton. Yeah. The injury happened earlier in the series and he had to tough it out. But Denver was injured. Denver was not healthy. When they went through Denver, Anthony Edwards was dealing with injuries. When they went through Minnesota. They got very lucky.

[Greg Cody]

Okay.

[Stugotz]

This is second straight year that the NBA champion who you have questions as to whether or not they can get over the hump and conquer some of the mental aspects, didn't actually have to take on the best shot of any of their competitors.

[Greg Cody]

They got lucky. But at the same time, when. When somebody with the best regular season record. They won wire to wire. Okc. Give them that credit. They won wire to wire this season.

[Dan LeBatard]

Yes.

[Greg Cody]

They own the season.

[Dan LeBatard]

Yes. I love what you're doing right now where you're swinging the top of your thermos wildly while you make a point. I think it should be a new signature of yours.

[Greg Cody]

Right.

[Dan LeBatard]

Three players tore their Achilles here. Mike, you have this way of just saying tough it out, grind it out. When, like, that's what it looks like when you're ignoring your body screaming and looking in game six like your body's healthy when it's not healthy. And then other things start, gang.

[Stugotz]

I'm saying tough it out, grind it out. Because everyone does this year. I'm just highlighting the fact that for the second straight year, the NBA champion has had a stroke of good luck. Now you need some good luck. But injuries to the team's best or second best players. You saw what happened with Aaron Gordon. You saw what happened with Anthony Edwards. You see what happened with Aliburton. These are footnotes. Much like the Celtics last year who kept having the favorable luck of running into a team that had an injury to the best player. So. But I do want to talk about the Achilles thing, because this used to be a rare injury in the NBA. It used to be a death sentence.

[Mike Ryan]

It's a rare injury in all sports.

[Stugotz]

And it's not happening to random people. Now, we had three superstars suffer this injury, two of which not even in their prime. So entering their primes in Jayson Tatum and Tyrese Halliburton, you had Lillard, who kind of everyone kind of expected that. It gave off the vibes the same way that the Halliburton injury did. Oh, this calf strain, if you push through, that usually means it's an Achilles. But this is a really unprecedented time in NBA history to have that catastrophic of an injury happen to three superstars, three future hall of Famers.

[Mike Ryan]

How about all three of them? Tatum, Lillard and Halliburton all were number zero. That's some voodoo shit.

[Greg Cody]

Eerie.

[Mike Ryan]

I don't like it.

[Dan LeBatard]

Put it on the poll at LeBatard show. Is that some voodoo shit at LeBatard show? And I feel like I'm doing this wrong because it was a really good, really fun and wonderful postseason, and I just wanted it to get to the fourth quarter. The Pacers. That's the best Pacers team there has ever been. Okay, don't long for the days of Antonio and Dale Davis. This is the best Pacers team that there has ever been. And they were a half away from winning the championship with their best player gone. And TJ McConnell leading the way.

[Stugotz]

That's our best player.

[Dan LeBatard]

I, I look, man, he's awesome, man. TJ McConnell. TJ McConnell. Is this his mother? After the game.

[Mike Ryan]

Give me a break with that.

[Dan LeBatard]

What? What do you mean give you a break with.

[Mike Ryan]

She's like, like, like she's angry at the cameraman. Give me a break.

[Chewy Advertiser]

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[Mike Ryan]

Geez, it's maybe we less helicopter parent.

[Billy Corben]

Can we make that Riley?

[Stugotz]

That's you guys crawling. That's you guys crawling up the cavity. Pat Riley's cavity.

[Chewy Advertiser]

I did some journalism as a newsman, if you guys are interested in here.

[Stugotz]

Yes.

[Chewy Advertiser]

So I looked up Adrian Wojnarowski reported the Paul George trade to the Los Angeles Clippers, Saturday, July 6, 2019 at 1:55am if that helps.

[Stugotz]

Yeah, that's why I was at Las Rosas. I was at an afters.

[Dan LeBatard]

I said I was at the Cleveland.

[Stugotz]

You were at The Clevelander at 1:30 in the morning on a Saturday.

[Billy Corben]

You were in your office in that room they gave you.

[Greg Cody]

Very hard to believe.

[Dan LeBatard]

Yeah. The concrete sink in the room. Yeah.

[Stugotz]

That's nice.

[Billy Corben]

That room isn't that bad.

[Chewy Advertiser]

It was cool.

[Stugotz]

Went up there to take a couple pictures.

[Billy Corben]

The one balcony in the whole hotel. They're like, you can have this one.

[Chewy Advertiser]

It was right over the Stage. It'd be great if there was like a Mardi Gras themed party at the Cleveland. Just kind of toss things off.

[Billy Corben]

Get the one balcony.

[Dan LeBatard]

The parade that I do like is the Mardi Gras parade. It's the only one of the parades. Put it on the poll at Lebatard's show. Better parade, championship parade, or Mardi Gras parade. Greg Cody has been the lone voice shouting through the curse soaked din saying, watch the language, boys. Watch the language at the parade. Watch the language at the celebration. Let's tone down the language at the party.

[Greg Cody]

It was fucking ridiculous what they were saying on that stage.

[Stugotz]

I mean, seriously, to Greg's point there, individually, that Sam Reinhardt clip, that Sam Bennett clip could be iconic if it wasn't so diluted. But by all the previous F bombs, you take the power away. Every parade has a good F bomb in it. You take the power away from the F word if you keep using it time and time again.

[Greg Cody]

Thank you. Mike's not wrong. And I'm not a prude. I'm the opposite of a prude. But I thought put that on the poll and I was the only one. Roy was there. We were the only ones there to actually see how many young people were in the crowd.

[Mike Ryan]

What's the opposite of approved?

[Dan LeBatard]

It's like a slot right thing. I was just gonna ask a flab.

[Greg Cody]

The opposite of a prude that you.

[Dan LeBatard]

I don't look at you and say, that's the opposite of approved.

[Stugotz]

I look at you and I'm like that. That guy.

[Greg Cody]

Yes, exactly.

[Mike Ryan]

Yeah, exactly what?

[Greg Cody]

I curse.

[Chewy Advertiser]

Yeah.

[Dan LeBatard]

No, but that's not what we were talking about.

[Chewy Advertiser]

Yeah.

[Stugotz]

It's only been twice in this show's history where I look at a guy and I'm like, that, dude, dude, it's you and Jason Bonetti.

[Greg Cody]

Thank you.

[Dan LeBatard]

I write in cursive.

[Greg Cody]

I do. I curse. I write in cursive.

[Dan LeBatard]

Okay, you know what?

[Greg Cody]

Why are you making fun of me for not wanting my local team to use so many F bombs in their.

[Dan LeBatard]

I'm making fun of you for a couple of different reasons, but the primary one at the moment is you saying you're the opposite of a prude. Now, last time you were in here, you had your pinky ring, and I said it meant that you were open for business. And I meant what I said.

[Chewy Advertiser]

To.

[Dan LeBatard]

Apologize to absolutely no one. The opposite of a prude. Chris.

[Stugotz]

I want Jason Bonetti.

[Dan LeBatard]

What is the opposite of a prude? I want to know what it is, because this is not what I look like, this is not what it looks like right here. Like, you. I don't know why you would go to the links to say I'm the opposite of a prude.

[Greg Cody]

Because anybody who, like, objects to athletes using the F, bomb you to the mic. What do I do? The mic's right here. Let the mic come to me.

[Dan LeBatard]

It. He's been frustrated, all shown by the fact that you have not once spoken into the microphone as a professional broadcaster. This is why Zaslo gets so frustrated with you.

[Mike Ryan]

Professional broadcaster.

[Dan LeBatard]

Loosely.

[Billy Corben]

He'll start right here and then he'll fade.

[Greg Cody]

Like, I'm having a conversation here.

[Dan LeBatard]

Says, please critique Greg Cody. This has been a frustration of yours as someone who loves the audio experience.

[Mike Ryan]

Yes. Have some respect. To be like, if I got to write a guest column in the Herald and I wrote it in crayon, it's disrespectful.

[Greg Cody]

Oh, it's coming from Zaz. That means a lot. It's like a graffito graffiti artist. You know, he's on now.

[Chewy Advertiser]

He's right.

[Stugotz]

He's right. He is. How about a harlot?

[Greg Cody]

I'm not saying I'm Monet.

[Billy Corben]

It's like a graffiti artist. Doing what?

[Greg Cody]

Critiquing Monet.

[Chewy Advertiser]

Are you more of a Monet or a Manet?

[Greg Cody]

I'm a Monet.

[Chewy Advertiser]

Yeah.

[Greg Cody]

Yeah.

[Chewy Advertiser]

I thought so.

[Stugotz]

Trollo Davis.

[Dan LeBatard]

Whoa.

[Greg Cody]

I'm a journalist. He's not. Now, granted, he's been speaking into a mic longer than I have.

[Billy Corben]

You had a Go Panthers thing outside your house.

[Greg Cody]

What's that?

[Billy Corben]

That a Go Panther sign outside of.

[Greg Cody]

Your house that my wife asked me to put up.

[Chewy Advertiser]

Yeah.

[Greg Cody]

And I obliged. I'm not that. You may not know. I'm not the only one who lives in my house. I have a dog, a cat, and a wife. Not necessarily in that order. When she asked me to put up a Go Cat sign. What? Am I going to object because. Because I'm a journalist? No. I'm gonna put up a sign. Who cares? The only ones who see it are my neighbors. Until you mentioned it on a national show.

[Dan LeBatard]

You just compared yourself to Monet, right?

[Greg Cody]

I love Monet. I visited his place in France a few years ago. My wife and I did.

[Chewy Advertiser]

How was it?

[Greg Cody]

It was great.

[Chewy Advertiser]

Yeah.

[Greg Cody]

You know, the gardens are everything you imagine when you see the.

[Stugotz]

What?

[Greg Cody]

His artwork. His paintings mostly consist of. You really appreciate it by visiting his. His childhood home.

[Chewy Advertiser]

European gardens seem so much more majestic than American gardens.

[Greg Cody]

That's exactly what they are, is majestic.

[Chewy Advertiser]

Yeah.

[Greg Cody]

They all have these. These bridges and these The. The artwork in them and, you know, water and bubbling brooks. So great.

[Mike Ryan]

Go on.

[Billy Corben]

Wonderful bridges in a garden.

[Greg Cody]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, it's beautiful. Go to. Go to France. Look up Monet's childhood into young adult home and understand why he's so great as a painter.

[Chewy Advertiser]

His 1440, if you will.

[Greg Cody]

Yeah, that's right, Billy.

[Stugotz]

The opposite of a prude is a libertine.

[Greg Cody]

Okay, there you go.

[Dan LeBatard]

Can you define that for me, please?

[Stugotz]

Having or showing lowered moral character or standards.

[Greg Cody]

That's me, the moral character. Don't get no lower than me. I'm kidding.

[Dan LeBatard]

You stepped on.

[Stugotz]

Look at me, Luigi.

[Dan LeBatard]

Cause you were doing something.

[Greg Cody]

I was mentioning Monet. I can't mention Monet.

[Dan LeBatard]

You were you comparing yourself to Monet when my brother was a graffiti artist. Like, I can't believe what you just did to Zaszow. You hold yourself in such higher regard to what Zaslo is, what you do to what he does.

[Greg Cody]

Yeah, well, we're totally. I'm a journalist. He's not, you know, I'm primarily a writer who disagree. Who has learned to speak into a mic. And he's a shock jock, you know, and so I'm not insulting him. Neither am I insulting the great Lebo, who I don't consider to be a graffiti artist.

[Billy Corben]

Who was closer, Lebo to Monet or Zaslo to Greg Cody?

[Greg Cody]

Probably Lebo to Monet. Yeah, I'm gonna say that. Respect.

[Mike Ryan]

Yes, I'm feeling the respect.

[Greg Cody]

Thank you. It's not intended for you. It's ended for Lebo.

[Dan LeBatard]

Do you not respect that?

[Greg Cody]

I do respect him, but I don't need him to school me. Granted, if I'm going like this and I need to lean into the mic, he is qualified to tell me to lean in.

[Dan LeBatard]

He just. He marvels at how you can be still so unprofessional after all of these years. He thinks it sort of disrespects the media.

[Mike Ryan]

It's almost impressive.

[Billy Corben]

Well, things must be getting heated because my dad's glasses are getting foggy.

[Greg Cody]

Look, the thing.

[Stugotz]

Here's the.

[Greg Cody]

Here's the thing. And this is the beauty of me. This is why the people who love me love me.

[Mike Ryan]

I was hoping to hear the beauty of you as a kid.

[Greg Cody]

I'm trying to have a conversation here.

[Billy Corben]

Here.

[Greg Cody]

Okay.

[Stugotz]

I love that you raising your glasses. It's revealed a zigaki like farmer's tan.

[Greg Cody]

I know.

[Billy Corben]

Take the glasses off.

[Stugotz]

Take them off.

[Dan LeBatard]

And. And the floor is yours. Take them off.

[Greg Cody]

I know.

[Dan LeBatard]

All right, Just go ahead.

[Chewy Advertiser]

Go ahead.

[Dan LeBatard]

The Floor is yours. Go ahead.

[Greg Cody]

Look, I am somebody who wants people to hear me having a conversation with. With friends and go on. I'm trying to go on.

[Billy Corben]

We don't need that.

[Greg Cody]

Keep saying go on. And, you know, I don't want to be too structured and stilted and have a broadcaster's voice like some unnamed.

[Mike Ryan]

Was that your oppression to me?

[Greg Cody]

No, no. You have the opposite of a broadcaster's voice.

[Mike Ryan]

I don't know how to take.

[Stugotz]

Whoa.

[Chewy Advertiser]

Respectfully.

[Dan LeBatard]

From the opposite of a prude.

[Mike Ryan]

No, I'm being from a libertine.

[Greg Cody]

And you know what? That's not a criticism. When I say he doesn't have a broadcaster's voice, that's not a criticism, okay? Chris Whittingham has a broadcaster's voice. Jeremy Tashay has a broadcaster's voice. I personally, and I'm not saying I invented this, but I'm one who does not want to have a broadcaster's voice. I want to sound very conversational. That's why sometimes I play on my arms and I drift away from the microphone. People still hear me. If I'm talking like this, people still hear me. It's not a big deal.

[Dan LeBatard]

You make fun of Eric Reed's broadcaster voice.

[Greg Cody]

Yeah, yeah, he's very broadcaster.

[Dan LeBatard]

Roy, I need you to stop being hungover from hockey, please apologize. Like, get it together, okay? I need you to get it together. Sound. We're in the business of sounds. Get yours together. Thank you. We've got Cody over here.

[Greg Cody]

Look at. Look at Monet. Monet's house. There.

[Dan LeBatard]

That is in the preview. It's not on the screen yet. It's Monet's house. Yes. Majestic.

[Greg Cody]

I have ascended those green stairs.

[Chewy Advertiser]

Have you?

[Greg Cody]

Yes, I have.

[Dan LeBatard]

Okay. Excellent.

[Mike Ryan]

It's a stupid looking house.

[Stugotz]

What?

[Greg Cody]

That's gorgeous. Just gorgeous.

[Billy Corben]

There's a bunch of shit growing on the house. They should probably cut that.

[Greg Cody]

They're intended.

[Mike Ryan]

Get a gardener, please.

[Billy Corben]

Yeah.

[Stugotz]

Greg is king and you're his peasants. We matched above.

[Chris Whittingham]

Yeah.

[Stugotz]

My way is the only way. Yeah. If we share a hotel room, you know who you answer to?

[Dan LeBatard]

Me.

[Stugotz]

Maximum.

[Greg Cody]

You.

[Stugotz]

My comfort is of most importance. Me. Maximum. You. Say it again so they can hear.

[Billy Corben]

It in the classic.

[Chris Whittingham]

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[Stugotz]

Howdy folks, it's Mike Ryan. Now, if you've been listening to the show a lot lately, you've heard so much playoff talk, playoff hoops. Down here in South Florida, we're especially enamored with playoff hockey. It's not just limited to the playoffs. Motorsports, tennis, golf. It's truly one of the best times in the sporting calendar. And with the weather outside warming up, it's just perfect to hop in a pool, maybe grill up some food, but most certainly crack open some Miller life. I just described a pretty perfect day, didn't I? And it culminates with Miller Time. There is something about a perfect grilling day. The sun's out, friends show up, and that first sip of Miller Lite just hits different. I've been stocking up the cooler with it for years. This year, Miller Lite turns 50. That is five decades of cookouts, laughs and ice cold moments that never miss. And if you've listened to the show for its 20 year existence, you know this to be true. Brew Miller Light. Great taste. 96 calories. Go to Millerlight. Com Dan to find delivery options near you. Or you can pick up some Miller Light pretty much anywhere they sell beer. Cheers to 50 years of Miller time. Celebrate responsibly. Miller Brewing Co. Milwaukee, Wisconsin 96 calories and 3.2 carbs per 12 ounces.