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Dan LeBatard
Welcome to the Big Sui, presented by DraftKings. Why are you listening to this show, the podcast that seems very similar to the other Dan LeBatard podcast?
Tony
I'm sorry.
Dan LeBatard
I'm not going to apologize for that. In fact, the only difference seems to be this imaging. I have been tempted in restaurants just walking past tables to grab somebody's fries that if they're just there. That hasn't happened to you guys.
Mike Ryan
I've done it.
Dan LeBatard
And now here's the marching man to Nowhere, Fat Face and the Habitual Liar.
Greg
This episode of the Dan Lebatard show is presented by DraftKings. DraftKings. The Crown is yours.
Dan LeBatard
Jumped the gun a little bit there.
Greg
I didn't jump anything, man.
Tony
Jumped the gun.
Mike Ryan
I was excited.
Jeremy
That was well done.
Dan LeBatard
Did it.
Greg
Right on point.
Dan LeBatard
The mic didn't pick up that this.
Greg
Pretty sure it did.
Dan LeBatard
It just got the episode is.
Mike Ryan
It's like on a buzzer beater where you're looking at the replay and you're seeing if the ball was still on the fingertip.
Diana Rossini
Check the tape.
Jeremy
You'll be wrong.
Jonathan Zaslo
Yeah.
Dan LeBatard
Little, pretty, little false start.
Greg
I'm sure you would be the one to know, Greg.
Jonathan Zaslo
Well, you know, I'm a radio professional. Not that this is radio, but you get my direct.
Dan LeBatard
Close enough. We're gonna welcome in Diana Rossini from the Athletic. She joins us for her weekly hit. Diana, usually you come on, you give us lots of great knowledge, and then Tony does his top five later on in the show, and he claims that you've stolen all of his material. And so today we're gonna do something a little different.
Diana Rossini
Okay.
Dan LeBatard
We're gonna let Tony do his top five first. But Tony, Tony right now is going to deliver it live on location from outside the America Business Forum. That's where President Trump is going to be here tomorrow. That's why there was all the traffic that made Greg late. Uncommonly late today. So, Tony, you're out there right now. The crowds still haven't started arriving, but you know it's happening. You ready to give our top five?
Tony
Yeah, I mean, I'm ready. There's a couple people camped out right now here in the parking lot waiting for.
Dan LeBatard
Sir, you can't be here. Need credentials.
Tony
Saying, I need credentials to be here. I'm out. I'm outside of the casa center.
Ad-Lib Announcer
Like, I'm good.
Tony
I got to pack it up and go. I like. I. I'm not good here. Not at all. Okay, seems like there's. Okay. Seems like credentials are needed for this spot outside on. On a Public street to move guys.
Dan LeBatard
You're. I know where you are. You're across the street.
Tony
I'm across the street.
Dan LeBatard
Tell them. Yeah, it doesn't matter. You gotta leave now.
Greg
Mention my name.
Tony
Okay.
Ad-Lib Announcer
All right. Wow.
Tony
Zaslow.
Dan LeBatard
No, no, no. That's not my name.
Tony
Okay.
Mike Ryan
It's not my name.
Tony
Okay. All right, guys.
Dan LeBatard
All right, all right.
Tony
Go to Diana.
Mike Ryan
Okay.
Dan LeBatard
I guess Diana's gonna have to do hers first, then. Wow. Yeah.
Jonathan Zaslo
That was great.
Dan LeBatard
Shocking. Shocking. So, Diana, he doesn't have the clout that you had. You were in the lobby of a hotel yelling, had your. Your volume on high. Nobody told you anything. Tony can't even ask.
Diana Rossini
He just kept working, moving, knew, and I was doing my thing. He needs some type of credential there. Usually you just point to your face. You go, this is the credential. Right, Right. That's what you're supposed to do. That's a famous story in sports. That. That's what the big dogs do. They just. This is it. This gets me the access. Not for me, but I feel bad for him. I've been there a million times where you're just trying to do your job. Tony's just trying to give us the news, but I'm going to come save him. So this actually worked out good.
Dan LeBatard
Yeah. Awesome. So we're here in Miami. Obviously, the big story this week was the firing of Chris Greer, the trading of Jalen Phillips. What can you tell us as far as the. Not necessarily the timing of the firing, but the fact that it wasn't a clean sweep with him and Mike McDaniel?
Diana Rossini
First of all, this is the first time I've ever done a show without Dan.
Dan LeBatard
Really?
Jeremy
Wow.
Diana Rossini
Yeah.
Mike Ryan
Congrats.
Diana Rossini
The vibes are very different, guys.
Dan LeBatard
You know what? You guys know this. Diana Rossini's first day at espn. Me and her met in the basement of Building Zero. Was it or building.
Diana Rossini
It's like Building three. There shouldn't be buildings run.
Mike Ryan
Right.
Diana Rossini
Like, what are we doing with that?
Dan LeBatard
So me and Diana go way back. That's why the vibe.
Jeremy
Hold on. I'm writing. I'm writing down that piece of trivia. Thank you for sharing.
Diana Rossini
Way back. Yeah, you. You were so. By the way, you were. You were great. You're so nervous on your. Nervous. Your first year at ESPN for. Forget your first day.
Dan LeBatard
Right? It was your first day. You were nervous. I was there.
Diana Rossini
So they had me doing these, like, digital shows, which at the time was considered, like, the lowest level of. Of, like, appearances. And they had hired me for SportsCenter and I was just, like, waiting for, like, the call up. So they put me in, like, the basement. Like, literally the basement. And I'd be like, what am I doing down here? And you would be so nice and be like, the guest after. You would do the big shows. Yeah. To just sit with me. And I didn't know what I was doing. And you would just, like, power through. And you essentially were hosting and doing the analysis for me because I couldn't handle it. So thank you for doing two jobs at once. I somehow made it upstairs, though eventually my part.
Dan LeBatard
Your talent got you upstairs. You're awesome. Also, Mike's like, it's deadline day. What are we doing? You know what we're doing? We're humanizing.
Jeremy
Stop humanizing.
Dan LeBatard
These are people. These are human beings.
Jeremy
She's an NFL insider, and right now NFL insiders are the most popular people on the planet. I'm not sure if you've seen your timeline, but the discourse is crazy and people are supporting Diana's line of work. Diana, what do you make of this? It's been a week worth of dialogue here. Pablo actually did make some sense in the clip that I saw about journalism. And my main takeaway is. Yeah, why are we just so accustomed to every source being anonymous? We know where this is coming from. This seems like a ridiculous practice. So where are you on the current discourse?
Dan LeBatard
Okay, first, a deadline question.
Diana Rossini
For those that were listening and heard the Miami question, I can sum it quickly. Right. So Chris Greer gets fired. There is belief that the head coach is still the right guy. They really believe that he has not lost the locker room. I know last time we talked about this and Greg was asking me for specific examples on why I thought the team was giving up on him, and I didn't have any good ones. And. And I wound up making some. I was actually really glad he pinned me down on it because I made some calls after the show and even I wrote about it in my column that week that the players were still bought in and he hasn't and they still think he's the right guy. So, look, it's going to come down to Steven Ross making this decision. But this isn't one of these situations where I have a date circled on my calendar, like, oh, if he doesn't win this many games, he's getting fired. They're trying to get him through the season, and I think when the new GM comes in, then. Then they'll have heavier discussions. But so far I' not super concerned about Mike, so I don't know how you feel about that, but that's the intel I have for now. As for the narratives, the conversations, these very strong opinions from. From hot takers and analysts and consumers of news, I feel like there's two camps right now. There's people that just want the information, and they don't care if I say per my mailman or, you know, per my dog, right? They don't care. I have really good friends of mine that I respect who like the fake accounts too. They're like, whatever, if they know something and they have a scoop because the, you know, the guy at the deli told them, great, they just want the information. And then there's another camp of they don't really care about the information as much as who's giving it to the reporters. That seems to be the hang up. And I think agents are the most hated people in our space because they're trying to control, obviously, the money and the perception of their clients. And they use us. But. But most of us don't just rely on. On agents. The transaction game is vapor, right? Like, you guys know that. It's so stupid. Like, Woj gave me this advice years ago. He's like, do not waste your time on that. And it's true. And by the way, he was the king of it, right? Like, he was like Mr. Transaction, but. But he was sharing that as a. Hey, I learned that once you're all in on the transaction game, you kind of can't get out. I think it's good to do transactions because it shows the audience and the fans that you know people and you get. You can get the scoop. But I think that the better kind of journalism, and obviously Pablo is a wonderful example of that right now. And really, the stuff that we do at the Athletic, not to be all promo of my own company, where we dig a little and we take a little bit more time and we're not as pressed to. To get it out in that exact moment. Most of the time, what I'm tweeting that stuff about transactions, things in trades. It's. It's my own little psychotic competitiveness. Like, no one at the Athletics, like, go beat Adam or you're fired. They don't care at all. They're like, tell us why. Explain the. Pull back the curtain a bit. So from the luxury of that, that's a wonderful place. It's why I love working where I do. But at the same time, there is a rat race to this. People love the info, and it's awesome to win. So I think the original Question was, Mike, do we have to keep saying per source when it's so obvious who we're talking to? Right. I think until people are comfortable just admitting that they talk to us because that's the problem. Like, I was at a game on Sunday. I was at the giant San Francisco 49ers game. It's the people I talk to the most from both those teams won't even wave to me. Like, they won't. They don't even want to look my way because they're so paranoid and to be seen as the one that talked to me. So that's why I always laugh. Like, if you see me talking to somebody, they definitely don't text me. Like, they don't talk to me. They don't give me any scoop. Like, it's almost like you're better off being around me because then, then, you know, it's a way of protecting yourself.
Greg
Diana, how active are the Dolphins still today after the Jalen Phillips.
Diana Rossini
Active. Active. They're taking calls. They're obviously not buyers.
Dan LeBatard
But.
Diana Rossini
But teams are around the league, have an understanding that they are willing to listen on a lot of players, almost every player. I don't think they're going to make all these deals, but. But I think the tone there has changed over the last few days or so where more teams are calling them, knowing, okay, maybe it's a different business venture now that Chris Career is no longer there.
Dan LeBatard
Diana Washington is dealing with injuries. Jayne Daniels is hurt again. Do you think we're going to see a fire sale from the Commanders?
Diana Rossini
I don't. I think they're. They're going to definitely sell. I don't think they're selling at a cheap price to just move on to next season now. You know, they were looking for a pass rusher over the last few weeks. They're not giving up on this season, but it's been a weird one, right? Like they're that team that, that we're going little black cloud right between them and the San Francisco 49ers. It just feel like they can't, they can't catch a break. Especially, you know, in terms of the injury situations there. They've got these older players. Obviously, you know, we've discussed Dan Quinn and his decision to keep Jaden in the game. Yeah, they're just for a team that was so electric last year and I think had a lot of potential to be good. Things are just not swinging their way. But, but I don't, I don't think this is an organization that's like let's just sell it all off. I think right now they're trying to keep this thing intact.
Dan LeBatard
Another team that seems to be falling apart is the Cincinnati Bengals. Me and Zaz had a lot of fun yesterday listening to ja' Marr Chase.
Greg
Offense and defense are gonna fight.
Dan LeBatard
Yeah. Like, they hate each other. They hate each other. They're openly war of words in the media against each other. There's no way that this whole thing stays together. Right. In Cincinnati.
Diana Rossini
It's so bad. That's, to me, like, forget reporting and press conferences when it's individual players essentially taking passive aggressive and sometimes just aggressive shots at each other, that that's. It's the worst of the worst. Right. Because that just tells you the culture. And that means from the top down, it's not good and they know it. I talk to people in Cincy, like, the players know, like, it's, it's, it's. Things are. It's been a hard year for them. And obviously Joe Burrow is the center of all of this and, and he kind of represented the hope of, oh, if we could just get through. If we could just get through, and Joe will get back, you know, in time with, with. With injuries, as you guys know, it's so hard to predict, like, great, awesome. In most cases, coming off a turf toe injury. You're. Excuse me, Surgery, you're back in this many weeks. But look at Brock Purdy. He didn't even have surgery. He's got the turf toe. He was expected to be back, like four weeks ago. He's still not playing right. So, like, you just never know. So I never liked this theory that, oh, let's just get through these games, then Joe can save the day. Because it was never. That wasn't a permanent. That wasn't a fact. So I think for now, Cincinnati is listening. They're taking calls. Trey Hendrickson's the biggest name right now in terms of teams calling, trying to get, you know, gauge the scenario. As of yesterday, they were still looking for a first round pick in exchange for him. But I can tell you, other teams that I've been talking to this morning, they. And even later yesterday afternoon, they think they're going to lower their price. They think they're going to drop that on Trey. We'll see if they do it. You know, this is other teams predicting what the Bengals will do. This isn't the Bengals telling me this. So we'll. We'll see. If they change their price for Trey and move on from him, it would make. It would make sense for them to do.
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Diana Rossini
Don LeBatard are you on the fan right now? Did Mike Greenberg call you yet? Are you ever gonna go back to espn? People think it's so weird you're a writer now. All those years on tv. All those years and now you write. Who reads that?
Jeremy
Stugats.
Diana Rossini
Why did he take a job at the Atlantic? Mom, I work at the Athletic. What you on YouTube. This is the Dan Levatar show with the stug.
Greg
Diane, I got one more on the Dolphins and Mike McDaniel. The fact that it appears that Mike McDaniel could be the coach still next season for the Dolphins.
Tony
It.
Greg
Is it possible that Steven Ross believes that two is the problem?
Diana Rossini
Oh, yeah, I think that's very. I think it's very fair. I think that's going to be without a doubt the story of the off season, of what will they do with Tua? Is this the right marriage? Right. Is he the right quarterback for. For. For Mike McDaniel? If this is the direction they want to go in, Right. Like, what I want to know is what happened, right? Like Tua got paid, which he deserved it. And something. Something changed. And I want I. What happened internally. And I think that's going to be stuff we'll be digging on over the next few weeks.
Dan LeBatard
I'll tell you exactly what happened. These hardware. 13 times 3 equals panini sandwich. Hello. Oh, sorry. CTE kicked in again. It's a function, though. It's the fun kind.
Jeremy
What are we seeing today, Diana? It's deadline day.
Diana Rossini
Yeah.
Jeremy
Occasionally over the last couple of years, we've seen some wild ones. Which contenders are going to make moves. Is there a surprise name out there that might get moved?
Diana Rossini
No, it's. It's. It's. It's not as sexy as I wanted it to be. I thought it had a shot, like two weeks ago. I thought maybe there'd be a big name player, you know, if. I don't know if A.J. brown maybe kept tweeting, who knows? You know, like, I was thinking maybe there would be an opportunity, but Philly has shut that down despite teams calling. So that, that. That story's over, you know, and other than that, I mean, pass rusher is. Is the position that a lot of teams are looking into. There was a time where I thought maybe Minnesota would make a move at quarterback, depending on how J.J. mcCarthy played. Obviously he played very well. So. So that's off the table. They're sticking with him and sticking with who they've got there. But I had this conversation with the general manager a couple of days ago. The needs are there on every team. Every general manager is. Is swimming in the waters today and they're casting their pole in the water, try to catch something, but if there's no fish that are worth it, you just don't do it. And I'll tell you, there's a lot of executives who are afraid to make Moves they are. They're afraid to look bad. They're afraid to lose the trade. The best ones that, that I been around over the years, they don't care. They don't care about the report card that they're just trying to make their team better. And the teams that, that are already very aware of what they are right Team that we assume are going to be making the playoffs and by math, by those calculations are pretty. Almost guaranteed at this point. Close to it. You know, they're trying to get better in any area. There's no like, specific team, excuse me, specific position. Just like if there's a good player that we can find, we're gonna go get them. I just don't think there's anyone. Max Crosby's unavailable, Miles Garrett's not available. The ones that you want to see get moved, that would be blockbuster, just aren't there. So we've got a few hours left. You never know, right? I feel like I gotta always put that out there because God knows what the luck of this show. While I'm on it, you know what would be the trade that I would just quit? Like, I probably would never come back on? Like, what could happen right now that would make you go, oh, man, she just looked bad.
Dan LeBatard
Mahomes.
Jonathan Zaslo
Mahomes. Wow.
Dan LeBatard
Mahomes getting moved for tua.
Mike Ryan
Semi realistic.
Diana Rossini
But to where? To Cleveland?
Dan LeBatard
No, Mahomes for tua. And then TUA blowing up with the Chiefs and then running the table that you should quit after that. If that happened, I would quit. I would be like, nevermind.
Diana Rossini
If it was during the show too.
Dan LeBatard
Oh my God, how great would that be?
Diana Rossini
It happens. In fact, I thought about it last night. I'm like, I think I'm going to text Dan and cancel and push it to Wednesday. Because something always happens when I'm focused on this show and see as my phone rings, don't worry, it was a good one.
Mike Ryan
No, no.
Jeremy
There could be the opportunity for something crazy happening because the Cowboys lost late last night and Jerry Jones said at the beginning of the season he wouldn't put it past himself to actually use what he received in the Micah Parsons trade to go out and acquire somebody else. So if there is a team to go out and do something desperate at the deadline, Dallas season teetering on the edge. Do you see them doing something drastic?
Diana Rossini
No, I don't. I don't. And you know, they made that move this morning. It's funny, you look at the Cowboys defense and they're like, oh, you know, let's do this. Let's trade with a team whose defense is worse than ours. Doesn't make any sense to me. But look, Jerry said to my face he wasn't going pass rush like on the record and I know like, well that can take it for what it.
Dan LeBatard
Is in that case. Right in stone.
Diana Rossini
Yeah. It doesn't mean anything. It's not like other people when you get them on the record, you know, it's just like he could change his mind today. So look, I don't know a name right now that they're targeting that they've been calling. I know the jets have been receiving a bunch of phone calls for some of their players on defense. Quinn and Williams is a name I've been hearing a lot over the last few hours as someone a bunch of teams are targeting. Jeffrey Simmons is a guy that teams want. Titans aren't moving him. So again, I think Jerry would like to make a I can sense he wants to do something, but Micah Parsons isn't available.
Jonathan Zaslo
Diana two part follow up on the Dolphins again, Champ Kelly's interim GM fairly inexperienced at the job. Any chance he can work his way into that job or are they definitely going to replace him? And number two, what is the how does the TUA conundrum play out? Is there a trade market for him? Aren't they stuck with him next year based on the guaranteed money? How does that play out?
Diana Rossini
Yeah, from what I understand, Champ is there right now to keep this ship riding and to keep them afloat. He obviously has experience doing it before he's been in interim. But as I'm sure you guys have seen reported, you know, Steven Ross has a heavy hand in this and he's part of all the conversations that are being had. Not that he wasn't before, by the way. Like, you know, he's always, he's one of those owners that likes to know what's going on. But but I definitely think it's more of a he needs to approve all of these trades. From talking to some teams that have talked to Miami over the last few days of like there's a little bit more of a process there than what it was before. So I do think they're going to go try to find a general manager. You look, you never know. Maybe Champ does some great work over the next few weeks, but I don't think they're in a position right now where they think anyone internally. By the way, this goes back to the head coaching situation. There was a time where, you know, when things were really bad for the Dolphins and I was having a conversation with someone there and they were like, well, who's going to be the interim here? Like, everyone wants us to fire people, but it's not like you've got these great coaches all over the place. It's not easy to find to just fill in that gap. So to get to the two part of this, Greg, this is going to be what the new regime is going to have to discuss and figure out what they want. Right. And look, I think there's people in that building that have already made up their mind about them, which I think there's some people there that still believe in them. And I think there's some people there that that would be fine with moving on from to if there's a market for him, if it's available and if there is a team that would trade for two. Every time I've done these kind of stories where, you know, it's, you know, mid fall and then you think, oh, this guy stinks. No one's going to want him. Well, it changes a lot in the off season when you've got these teams desperate for a quarterback and two, it doesn't seem so bad. So we'll see how this plays out. Plays out in the off season. But that is for sure outside what the futures of this head coach and you know, what the general manager will be, the two, a question is holding them back for sure.
Dan LeBatard
She's a senior NFL insider at the Athletic and the host of the Scoop City podcast. New episodes drop every Monday, Wednesday and Thursday, wherever you get podcasts. Diana, thank you for joining us.
Diana Rossini
Thank you. And thank you for being so nice to me on my first day. And I got to say, I don't think I missed Dan today.
Dan LeBatard
Humanizing, that's what we do here.
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Dan LeBatard
Oh, wow.
Diana Rossini
It's in there.
Tony
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Diana Rossini
This is the Dan Levatar show with the ST.
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Dan LeBatard
We go straight from Diana out to Tony on location, different location to give us his top five. Tony's top five. Tony, where are you joining us from? They made you move. That's.
Tony
I mean, I am probably the closest.
Jeremy
Yeah, I'm.
Tony
Closest part that we could be here to the Kaseya center, where we do not need a credential, which is literally in the corner of the office.
Dan LeBatard
Mike.
Tony
But seeing the Kaseya center over my left shoulder, you're.
Dan LeBatard
You're.
Greg
Laughing at.
Dan LeBatard
He's literally standing right there, right outside that door.
Greg
No, he's not.
Mike Ryan
No, he's not.
Tony
That's not true.
Dan LeBatard
That is not true. I could tell that window anywhere. Oh, my God.
Tony
Can you read me? Can you read number one?
Jeremy
Dispute. Continuously playing terrible football. That says dispute.
Tony
Not dispute. Autocorrect.
Jeremy
Despite continuously playing terrible football, The Jags are 5 and 3 somehow.
Tony
True or not true?
Jeremy
I can't get over the spelling.
Tony
Yeah, it's autocorrect. I was. Whatever.
Greg
Tony. I was at that stadium this weekend where the Jaguars play Everbanks team. I place a dump.
Dan LeBatard
Oh, hard.
Tony
Yeah, it's bad. But. But make sure that you connect with my people when you're in my turf. By the way, Jacksonville is my city.
Dan LeBatard
You gotta check 904.
Tony
Stand up, Duval County. Stand up. Yeah, you got to check in with my people.
Mike Ryan
Let me tell the people that.
Tony
Making sure you know that player.
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Tony
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Dan LeBatard
All right, Tony, what's.
Tony
Yeah, that was just a little taste of the oli.
Dan LeBatard
Okay.
Tony
Yeah, that Was just a little taste of the Oli. Here's. Here's the rest. I got three OIs after that and then after my top five. Okay, so we'll get one, two, three O lies. Quick. Here we go. Say what you want about the Bengals defense. They're always in exciting games. I know Zaz wanted the pit the offense against the defense yesterday with Chase Brown's comments.
Greg
I didn't want him just for the Bengals.
Tony
Okay, that might be your truth. Not my truth. My truth is the Bengals are always in exciting games. Thank you to the defense. We should be saying thank you to the Bengals defense, not chastising them. Jonathan Zaslo.
Jonathan Zaslo
Interesting.
Jeremy
Can hardly see the.
Tony
Nobody's having that.
Mike Ryan
Yes, you can. Right there over his left. Don't be ridiculous.
Tony
It's right there.
Dan LeBatard
Yeah, we see the Port Miami science.
Tony
Okay, all right, whatever.
Dan LeBatard
All right, Go on.
Mike Ryan
Oli.
Tony
Number three. No one has more ugly wins than the Denver Broncos.
Dan LeBatard
Yeah, sure.
Tony
I don't think that can be disputed.
Dan LeBatard
Disputed or despite it?
Tony
Or despite it?
Jeremy
He said disputed.
Dan LeBatard
Next to a lie.
Tony
Guys, guys, I'm rattled. My bad. All right, Stop me if you've heard this one before. Bills beat the Chiefs in the regular season. Who cares? Biggest who cares of all time. Beat the Chiefs in the regular season. Good. Yeah, sure. Good game. It's always a good game. They always win by seven. They win by three.
Mike Ryan
Okay, great.
Tony
Then they get beat in the playoffs. It's the same thing.
Mike Ryan
Yeah.
Greg
Bills are 5 and 1 against Mahomes in the regular season. With Allen, they're winless in the playoffs.
Mike Ryan
Tony's rattled like Mike Ryan after bet.
Jonathan Zaslo
Money on the Bills. Everybody who bet money on the Bills.
Tony
Yeah, exactly. Thank you, Jim. All right, number five. Number five. The packers are on fraud watch. Oh, keep an eye on the packers are on fraud watch.
Dan LeBatard
You lose to Carol.
Tony
Yeah.
Dan LeBatard
At home. Right.
Tony
Even though Carolina's sneaky 5 and 4.
Mike Ryan
Sneaky decent 3 and 1 since Dan said their season was over.
Tony
Look at the throw that John that. No, they're not for real, but they're. They're dead. As Dan said after they won, they've gone 3:1 since I. Like Jeremy said, look at the picture on the screen right now. This is a throw that Jordan Love had to nobody.
Dan LeBatard
Yeah.
Tony
To somebody. To somebody in the opposite jersey with the game on the line. Packers. Jordan Love throwing an absolute prayer. A goose up. Yeah. They're on fraud watch for me.
Mike Ryan
When does Toyota thon start though? Because that's when we know Jordan Love going on.
Tony
It has no. It's it starts. I think it starts late October.
Mike Ryan
Then I'll check those dates. But if that's the case, they're screwed.
Tony
Next to number four.
Dan LeBatard
Okay.
Tony
Rams and the 49ers quietly at six wins each. Nobody's talking about these teams. Quietly. Rams and 49ers. Both Rams and 49ers quietly at six wins.
Mike Ryan
Rams might be the best team in the league.
Dan LeBatard
Yeah, I'm not going quietly, though. I feel like every week you talk about McCorkle doing something like, oh my God, he's got him going.
Jonathan Zaslo
Stafford, quiet. Mvp.
Tony
I know.
Dan LeBatard
Conversation.
Tony
I'm telling you, he walked in the bar and guess what he ordered.
Dan LeBatard
Bottle. Yeah, he's in it.
Mike Ryan
Huge news.
Tony
Tony got a couple bottles of Smirnoff.
Mike Ryan
Huge news for the Packers. Toyota thon starts mid November.
Tony
Oh, wow. Mid November. I thought it was mid October. Okay, good to hear. Number three, Oli. Top.
Jonathan Zaslo
Excuse me.
Tony
Tony's top five. Number three. Weird how the Cardinals look so much better and more competent with Jacoby Brissette. It's weird, isn't it? Can I tell you that Kyler Murray sucked like five weeks ago and now just the fruit are bearing the. The fruit are bearing everywhere it's abundance of Jacoby Brissette even though he won their first game since they're like five game skid. The point being they look better. They look more competent.
Dan LeBatard
Fruit or berry Everywhere.
Jeremy
Fruit or bearing dispute.
Tony
Everywhere.
Jeremy
Dispute. Jacoby Brissette's incredible performance on Monday night. Do have a franchise quarterback there that hasn't done anything to really lose the job.
Tony
Have you not. Do you have eyes? Do you have eyes like he's. He hasn't been good in like a couple of seasons? If you want me to be real honest with you.
Dan LeBatard
What more does Jacoby preset have to do? He's done it so many places now. It's like, is he ever going to break out of that backup kind of brick glass in case this might be the final spot?
Tony
I mean your hometown team. Your hometown team, the Arizona Cardinals. Right. In Phoenix. Right. The big toaster. Okay, this might be the stop where Jonathan Gannon says, you know what? I kind of like the way that the offense moves with Jacoby Brissette better than it does with Kyler Murray. Who does Kyler Murray make better? Is it Marvin Harrison Jr. No. Is it Trey McBride? No. Like Michael Wilson. Does he make Michael Wilson better? The second wide receiver?
Ad-Lib Announcer
Sure.
Tony
Okay, great. Kyler Murray doesn't make anybody better. Jacoby Brissette comes in. Trey McBride looks like an all world tight end Marvin Harrison Jr. Finally starts getting McBride.
Jeremy
Yes. McBride was made better by.
Tony
Guys, Guys. No, no, no. You. No, no. Oh, Mike. Oh, no, Mike, don't do that to yourself.
Jeremy
One of the more productive tight ends. He's just getting into the end zone.
Mike Ryan
No, Tony's right, Mike.
Diana Rossini
You know, guys, McBride's always been great.
Tony
Splits are terrible. Mike. You're showing your ass, Mike. I didn't want to do that.
Dan LeBatard
You're doing it to yourself.
Mike Ryan
Terrible.
Jeremy
He just doesn't get into the end zone.
Tony
Kyler.
Jeremy
But he. He. He's one of the best tight ends in the league with Kyler.
Dan LeBatard
You know, this is Tony's top five. I don't want to hear from you, Mike.
Tony
Thank you, Mike. Thank you, Mike. All right, number two. Uh. Oh. Kalawasa. Kalawasa. For our favorite Cinderella qb. Put him up on the screen. Danny Dimes. A terrible, terrible game against the Steelers. Calawasa. Calawasa for my. For my gringo family members over there in the. In the studio. Means pumpkin. Pumpkin. Oh, and the saying in Spanish is calawasa, calabasa, tolomundo, palacasa, which means pumpkin. Pumpkin. Everybody home. Right, and that's obviously a play on Cinderella where the pumpkin to the carrot turned into a pumpkin. So we're looking at pumpkin time right now instead of apple time. Pumpkin time for Danny Dimes.
Dan LeBatard
You know, the Kardashians live in Calabasas. Calabasas, California.
Ad-Lib Announcer
They do?
Tony
Good for you. But the thing is, I didn't. I didn't mean that for you, though. You're honorary Cuban, of course.
Jonathan Zaslo
Congrats.
Tony
You've been to the Kendall Flannies.
Jeremy
You know what's up.
Mike Ryan
God, take me back.
Dan LeBatard
Oh, one more time, man.
Tony
You've been to the Kendall Flannies.
Dan LeBatard
I need, like, a zip line from the top of the Elsa straight to Kendall. Just all the way down there. Land at the planet.
Mike Ryan
Be a crowded zip line. It's like, where.
Tony
Where is the mean. Oh, there he is, flying down the Dolphin Expressway. All right, number one, Mike McDonald, coach of the Year. I'm saying it here in week nine. Coach of the year, Mike McDonald. Shout out Yamo.
Greg
Be there.
Mike Ryan
Yeah.
Dan LeBatard
Coach of the year. Okay, good.
Tony
Shout out to the Seahawks. Playing really good ball. Mike McDonald, coach of the year. That's Tony's top five, gentlemen.
Ad-Lib Announcer
Yeah.
Dan LeBatard
It's presented by Smirnoff.
Mike Ryan
Shout out to Smirnoff for Tony. I have the split, so under Jacoby Brissette, Trey McBride, stat.
Dan LeBatard
He's not going to be here.
Mike Ryan
Average of just about seven catches per game for 64 yards and almost one touchdown per game.
Greg
And who was that with?
Mike Ryan
That's Jacoby Brissette. Under Kyler Murray. The average is about five catches per game for 52 yards and 0.1 touchdowns.
Jeremy
Touchdowns.
Mike Ryan
So it's. It's about a 15 yard difference. A couple more catches and obviously like the touchdown rates way higher.
Greg
That's a lot.
Dan LeBatard
It's a lot.
Jeremy
I mean, it's.
Dan LeBatard
You did it to yourself.
Mike Ryan
Two catches based off those stats you guys oversold.
Jeremy
You did. It's a. You're talking about a three game sample which.
Jonathan Zaslo
Yeah, he's not good.
Mike Ryan
Sample my five games.
Dan LeBatard
Okay.
Mike Ryan
How many games does Kyler Murray.
Jeremy
The touchdowns will come down. Like if the argument is Kyler Murray does not just Trey McBride waste away with Kyler Murray. It's not true.
Mike Ryan
Wildly overstated. How about Kyler Murray right now? Today? Within the next couple of hours, the Washington Commanders trade for him.
Ad-Lib Announcer
Wow.
Mike Ryan
I don't know why they would do it. I like this game.
Jeremy
How about Bird go to Spain? We're playing the Dolphins.
Diana Rossini
They built the offense for Jaden Daniels.
Dan LeBatard
You can run around, right?
Mike Ryan
It's better than Marcus Mariota.
Dan LeBatard
And then maybe they got a shot in that division. Long flight. You know what you do?
Mike Ryan
You learn the playbooks.
Dan LeBatard
Lot of no Call of Duty, baby.
Diana Rossini
Murray, what are we doing?
Tony
Did we look up the splits or no?
Mike Ryan
Yeah, it's two more catches per game. About 19 more yards per game. And the touchdown rate is a lot.
Tony
Plus all across the board.
Mike Ryan
Better in every single category. Five games with Brissette.
Tony
Okay.
Dan LeBatard
Do you want to. Tony, you know what they're doing?
Jeremy
What?
Dan LeBatard
They're doing it to themselves.
Tony
I'm so.
Dan LeBatard
I'm trying to continue to do 39.
Mike Ryan
Games despite being warned he was a five.
Tony
How many touchdowns? How many touchdowns?
Jeremy
Yeah, but my argument was it's just a touchdown.
Tony
But then why isn't Kyler Murray looking for his best weapon in the red zone? In the red zone to score touchdowns? Why is that not happening? Why did he have a touchdown last year of a fumble recovery before he caught it?
Mike Ryan
Athletes of especially.
Dan LeBatard
Especially in that stadium where they have a big sign that says red zone.
Mike Ryan
Kyler Murray has like 1, 2 touchdown game. The numbers like fly up.
Jeremy
I'm. I'm.
Tony
He's not good, guys. There's a reason why he's not.
Mike Ryan
But you overstated this.
Jeremy
The splits.
Tony
You know what?
Jeremy
I'm bored.
Dan LeBatard
Okay, so let's talk about.
Jeremy
I'm out.
Dan LeBatard
Let's say because I downloaded Sora and it sucks.
Greg
What is that?
Dan LeBatard
Sora is the. The people who make Chad made this app where you can create AI videos. You scan your face, you say some. Some phrases, and now you can make AI videos of yourself. You can make AI videos of anything, really. And so I was messing around with it, and I said something along the lines of, hey, man on the street. Interviewing three Miami Heat fans. Ask them, what do you want the Heat to do? They all yell out, get Ja. And then I said. The interviewer follows up with, why do you think they should get ja? And one fan says, because this is Miami, and we get stars, baby. The second fan says, because he's got the hottest shoe in the game. And the third fan says, because you can always use more shooters. Pretty simple, right? This dumbass app could never get that to happen. I kept getting, like, the interviewer would then answer his own question. I got a guy who had glasses up here. Midway through his answer, I'm talking about just. He's talking, and all of a sudden he's got glasses on.
Mike Ryan
I like it.
Dan LeBatard
I've got one where the interviewer's asking the question and the third fan is mouthing the question as the guy saying it.
Greg
I like it.
Dan LeBatard
It's so goofy. I'm like, this is never going to replace anything of note.
Jonathan Zaslo
Well, it sounds like it was so bad that it was good, though.
Dan LeBatard
I mean, I did laugh. Yeah, I did laugh. I also had one where I sit in courtside and I threw up on media row, but.
Greg
And you threw up? Yeah, I made it like Tracy Morgan.
Dan LeBatard
Yeah, yeah, like that. But on media row. Right. So everyone's laptops are there or whatever. You puked on people's computers in this AI video. Yes.
Jonathan Zaslo
Was it realistic vomit?
Dan LeBatard
The vomit was realistic. The depiction of me was not. They have me, like, £225. Yeah, I could. I could show. I'm not gonna. We're not gonna do this on air. I'm not gonna give them. I'm not gonna give them that kind of.
Greg
I wanted. I want to see a meme puking on Meteor Row.
Dan LeBatard
Oh, no, it's a good one. You know, I'll show you in the break. I don't want to. I don't disrupt the flow, but, like, I just. I just kept thinking about all the people are like, they're gonna replace actors and stuff. I'm like, they're never gonna be able to replace human acting with a. With AI.
Tony
Sora is good if you give it the. The grace that it deserves for a very low Kind of Phi app.
Greg
Why is it called Sora?
Tony
I don't know.
Dan LeBatard
Why is anything called anything? Why is Apple called?
Tony
Why are you called Zazzle?
Dan LeBatard
Why are you called Zazzle?
Jonathan Zaslo
Seriously?
Tony
That's your name, right?
Jonathan Zaslo
Why is it called a microphone?
Dan LeBatard
Yeah.
Mike Ryan
Really?
Greg
That's what we're doing?
Tony
That kind of thing? What do you not get?
Jeremy
It's been a weird show. I don't know what to tell you.
Tony
Yeah, you are doing it to yourself.
Mike Ryan
The gymnastics that these two behind me are trying to get, the splits, you know, like six games. No Jeremy put in this season, but minus the last two games, alas, it's just like. Like it's close this season. The stats are better in every single category for Trey McBride with Jacoby Brissette. But in five games, it's 29 catches with Kyler, 34 with Jacoby Brissette. It's 275 yards of Kyler. It is 320 yards with Brissette better. And one really big one is one touchdown in five games with Kyler for four touchdowns in five games with Jacobe Brissette better. It's better in every category. I will say the difference of five catches is not gigantic, but it is a catch game.
Jonathan Zaslo
Let's quit trying to make Jacobe Brissette better than Kyler Murray. It isn't true. Jacobe Beset's a career backup.
Diana Rossini
He was bad with the Dolphins.
Mike Ryan
He had him down here.
Tony
He was our backup.
Jeremy
I'm bored.
Tony
You were just interested for a second.
Dan LeBatard
We had you the hook got.
Jeremy
The interesting part is that right now they're. They just won at Dallas and, you know, they're not maximizing now. They lost a game that didn't have much to do with Kyler, that had to do with DeMarcato's drop and the insane play that Tennessee made. But, you know, it's a. They're at a. Appears to be a crossroads with Kyler Murray where they have to decide. And truthfully, like, Jacoby Brissette historically has been a solid enough quarterback that everyone's like, this is a prime backup if he's ever given the opportunity to be QB1 again. I know he briefly had one in Cleveland, but if he's able to take that from a young quarterback and you fully endorse him, it'd be interesting to see where they go.
Dan LeBatard
Juju, put it on the poll. Who's better, Jacoby Brissette or Kyler Murray?
Tony
Objection. You're only leading the witness.
Mike Ryan
Just a question.
Jeremy
Just a question. I don't think you know how leading the witness works. What's chat about Miller Lite? That's right. Football season is in high gear. The leaves are turning. That means these football games have more consequence. That means you'll be tense. You want to enjoy these games. Well, enjoy these games like I enjoy these games with a Miller Lite by my side. It makes tailgating better. It makes catching up with friends easier. Game day just hits different with a Miller Lite in your hand. From jaw dropping touchdowns to fantasy heartbreaks, it's a beer that has been there for every moment. 50 years of great taste, simple ingredients, and that iconic golden color that you can spot from across the room. Look at that beauty. And here's the kicker. It's just 96 calories, 3.2 carbs per 12 ounces. The original light beer since 1975 and still hitting five decades later. So whatever your game day looks like, remember Miller Time is always a good time. Miller Lite, great taste, 96 calories. Go to millerlight.com dan to find delivery options near you. Or you can pick up some Miller Lite pretty much anywhere they sell beer. It's Miller Time. Celebrate responsibly. Miller Brewing Co. Milwaukee, Wisconsin 96 calories and 3.2 carbs per 12 ounces.
Date: November 4, 2025
Broadcast live from the Elser Hotel in Miami, this "Big Suey" episode of The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz blends irreverent sports talk, inside media stories, and relentless banter. The show features an extended segment with NFL insider Dianna Russini, who delves into NFL trade deadline drama, insider journalism ethics, and Miami Dolphins turmoil. Tony’s Top Five segment takes a typically chaotic turn, and the crew debates everything from quarterback controversies to the pitfalls of AI video generators, all while maintaining their signature blend of comedy and candor.
This episode encapsulates the unique, unpredictable blend of sports analysis and comedy that defines Le Batard’s show. Dianna Russini provides inside scoops on NFL chaos, while the crew’s relentless tangents and friendly feuds keep things fast-paced and unpredictable. Highlights include newsroom war stories, trade deadline gossip, and a laborious but characteristically hilarious debate about backup quarterbacks and AI’s failed takeover of sportscasting humanity.
For listeners and non-listeners alike, this rundown offers a vivid slice of the Le Batard Show’s signature wit, wildness, and sports insight.