The Big Suey: "The Diet of a Lion" by Greg Cote (feat. Ichabod Crane)

Summary

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Podcast Summary: The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz

Episode: The Big Suey: "The Diet of a Lion" by Greg Cote (feat. Ichabod Crane)
Date: February 3, 2026
Guests/Panel: Dan Le Batard, Stugotz, Greg Cody, Zach Lowe, Jeremy Windhorst (Windy), Zaz (Chris Cody), Tony

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Overview

Broadcasting from the Elser Hotel in downtown Miami, this episode of The Big Suey delivers the signature Le Batard blend: irreverent sports commentary, playful banter, and cross-generational comedy. Centered on recent NBA controversy (James Harden’s latest trade demand), lively speculation around the league, and a double-dose of Greg Cody’s idiosyncratic wisdom—including his legendary “Back in My Day” segment—the show oscillates between pointed sports discussion and nostalgic musings about language, contracts, and even lions’ culinary preferences.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. James Harden’s Trade Demand & NBA Player Empowerment (00:55–12:44)

The Situation

• Stugotz introduces the long-running headaches involving NBA contracts, focusing on Roger Goodell’s press conference and pivoting to James Harden’s ongoing trade drama with the Clippers.
• Zach Lowe: “He does it every two years.” (02:30)
  • Harden, despite a strong season for the Clippers, has again requested out, seeking a long-term extension that the team is unwilling to provide.

Analysis

• Panel discusses the “mercenary era” of NBA stars who use contracts for leverage, even while under guaranteed deals.
• Stugotz: “He urinates on your sports ideals. … This is the only time he’s going to have that leverage for the remainder of his career.” (06:02).
• Dan notes the bewildering career arc: “At what point does a superstar realize, all right, I’ve had a pretty good... let me try to win?” (06:30)

Market Value & Parallels

• The group debates Harden’s declining trade value, comparing him to Jimmy Butler’s recent contract standoff and referencing LeBron James’s subtle power maneuvers with the Lakers.
• Parody and cynicism surface as they discuss “good for business” vs. good for fans and teams.

Notable Quotes

• Greg Cody: “Sports has become the wild, wild West. There’s no sanctity left in the contract.” (08:20)
• Stugotz: “It hasn’t been bad for the business of sports. … The business of sports is doing fine in spite of this.” (08:49)

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2. Reckless Speculation: Kawhi Leonard, Harden, and the Clippers Conspiracy (09:21–11:44)

The Theory

• Jeremy Windhorst floats that Harden’s exit may be linked to potential discipline coming for Kawhi Leonard—drawing on rumors and leaks (“aspiration stuff”) and All-Star Game snubs.
• The group leans into their tradition of “reckless speculation,” lampooning NBA rumor culture and the universal suspicion of league office meddling.

Memorable Exchange

• Jeremy Windhorst: “I will recklessly speculate that Adam Silver cooked the books on the All Star Game.” (11:32)
• (Laughter, mock fear of NBA retaliation)
• Stugotz: “Implied pressure. The league said nothing. But everyone felt it.” (11:17)

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3. Greg Cody’s Catchphrase Countdown & Linguistic Nostalgia (14:36–20:07)

The Premise

• Greg Cody is mid-way through a “Top 50 Catchphrases” countdown on his own podcast. The cast teases and tries to recall entries, riffing on the absurdity of fabricating 50 unique catchphrases.
• Greg Cody: “The catchphrase countdown is an amalgam of stuff that I say on your show, stuff that I say on my show, stuff that I say in my private life.” (23:11)
• Dan, deadpan: “Play a clip of the podcast.” (18:14)

Catchphrase Highlights

• “Ballin’ the Jack” (used for moving fast; traced back to railroad lingo and even Jack Kerouac).
• “Hey hey, where the monkeys, baby?”
• “There goes another rubber tree plant.”

Tone & Banter

• A blend of gentle ridicule and nostalgia, as Dan and Stugotz poke fun at Greg’s dubious memory and idiosyncratic expressions.

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4. Back in My Day: The Review Economy (24:16–27:20)

Greg Cody’s Monologue

• Greg delivers a classic “Back in My Day,” this time on “Reviews”—lamenting the requirement for constant customer feedback in today’s world.
• Memorable Moment: Greg riffs on being asked to review a haircut before even getting home, and infuses the piece with deadpan fictional reviews of neighbors and businesses.
• Greg Cody: “Unless you hear otherwise from me directly, assume my transaction was stultifyingly mundane yet unremarkably satisfactory in its way.” (26:49)

Panel Response

• The crew bursts into laughter over Cody’s use of words like “pettifogger” and references to odd law firm names, marveling at the authenticity and old-man tone of his bits.
• Dan Le Batard: “Like, the soulless transaction. That was funny.” (27:43)

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5. Sports Rumors, Journalism, and the Circus Metaphor (31:06–36:44)

NBA Trade Deadline Nonsense

• Dissection of how rumors (“80/20 he's staying,” “50/50 he goes”) circulate among NBA insiders—acknowledging that few, if any, reporters truly know the truth before news breaks.
• Stugotz: “No one actually knows whether Giannis is going to be traded until Shams reports it. And he’s the only one who’s going to report it … that’s the reason I don’t know how Woj and Shams do their jobs.” (39:59)

Sideshow/Lion Discussion

• The show devolves into an extended riff on what constitutes a “sideshow,” prompted by rumors being called a “sideshow” or “dog and pony show”—leading to zoological curiosity (do lions eat hyenas?) and carnival imagery.
• Greg Cody: “The main show is the lion jumping through a flaming hoop. … The sideshow is the seal balancing something on his nose.” (34:06)
• Stugotz: “If the lion and the seal were actually together, the lion might eat the seal. … You got a problem on your hands no kid wants to see at the circus.” (34:43)

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6. Word Origins and Old References (29:59–32:03, 41:01–42:14)

"Pettifogger" & Legal Jargon

• Greg Cody: “Pettifogger is a cheat … it would be a synonym for shyster.” (30:04)
• The crew banters about legal names, references, and the fading art of language.

“Ichabod Crane” and Old-Timey Nods

• Dan, comparing a cast member’s look to Ichabod Crane, remarks on the show’s relish for deploying ancient pop culture references.
• “1820 is amazing. … I'm always making fun of Cody for how all these references are shoehorned into a conversation. Just show him you still got it.” (42:12)

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Notable Quotes

James Harden & NBA Stars

• Stugotz (on Harden): “He urinates on your sports ideals … you want to believe in team … but this is about the money.” (06:02)
• Greg Cody: “There’s no sanctity left in the contract.” (08:20)

On Modern Feedback Culture

• Greg Cody: “Quit hectoring me for a review. … If it was abysmal, you'll hear from my lawyers, McGillicuddy, Pettifogger and Shyster.” (26:42)

Circus and Sideshow

• Greg Cody: “The lion would go, ‘What’s that? Give me a hyena. Give me my usual lunch.’” (35:50)

Catchphrase Countdown

• Greg Cody: “Some of it only Christopher and my family have heard.” (23:11)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• James Harden trade drama and contract discussion: 00:55–08:56
• Reckless speculation on Clippers and league conspiracies: 09:21–11:44
• Greg Cody’s catchphrase rundown (“Ballin’ the Jack” etc.): 14:36–20:07
• Greg Cody’s “Back in My Day” (Modern Reviews): 24:16–27:20
• Rumor journalism and “sideshow” discussion: 31:06–36:44
• Silly circus/zoological riff, “Ichabod Crane”: 36:44–42:14

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Conclusion

This “Big Suey” episode encapsulates what fans love about the Le Batard Show: substance wrapped in farce, sports news laced with skepticism, nostalgia, and laughter. From serious takes on sports-business ethics to absurdist dictionary lectures, and from reviewing “catchphrases” to actually reviewing reviews, it’s a showcase of how modern sports radio is as much about chemistry and storytelling as it is about scores or headlines.

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Transcript

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[Stugotz]

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[Greg Cody]

I'm sorry, I'm not going to apologize for that.

[Stugotz]

In fact, the only difference seems to be this imaging. I have been tempted in restaurants just walking past tables to grab somebody's fries if they're just there. That hasn't happened to you guys.

[Tony]

I've done it.

[Stugotz]

And now here's the marching man to Nowhere Fat Face and the Habitual Liar.

[Greg Cody]

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[Stugotz]

There's a Palmezcal and a Pedro Pascal. It's all too much. James Harden is making another mess. I want to get to that. Roger Goodell spoke yesterday. The Rooney Rule needs a lot of help. He does this annually. He gets in front of reporters and tries to give answers to things, but it's a bad position for him to be in because they've got a lot of stuff that's hard to handle. And obviously the Rooney rule, among other things, is a disaster. It clearly doesn't work. He knows it doesn't work. They've been trying to make it work for 20 years. And it's always the white people that get hired by the white people. And it's better than it's been. But. But it's not because of the Rooney rule. And if I were a black coach in that league, I'd be insulted by the fact that they almost always have to be reminded, hey, you know you gotta do this, right? Yeah. You can go through, go through this pretend interview. Cuz it's good for the black candidates to have their names associated with your pretend interviews. But it's not a real thing. We know you're not gonna. We know you're always gonna hire the guy that you're more comfortable with. So I wanna get to some Roger Goodell sound. But I was surprised by this with James Harden last night. I shouldn't have been. Because it's James Harden.

[Zach Lowe]

Yeah, because he does it every two years.

[Stugotz]

I shouldn't have been, but I still was surprised by it. You want to take people through the details of what a mess this is because you guys just got done saying, the Clippers started the season awful. They looked old. We were talking about, is OKC going to get another number one pick because they're going to be the worst team in the league. And then the last, I don't know, three weeks, they've been playing the best basketball in the sport, better than Detroit. Last night they get smoked. And it's because of this, they get smoked at home by Philadelphia. And it's because James Harden is being James Harden again.

[Zach Lowe]

They're totally back in at the Clippers after such a miserable start to the season. I think they'd won before last night where they got killed by Philadelphia, predictably. So I think they'd won like 17 out of 20. So there's still a couple of games under.500. But like they're back in the playoff picture out west. And then out of nowhere, or maybe not out of nowhere, James Harden was listed out last night for personal reasons. And the personal reason is he personally doesn't want to play for the Clippers anymore. So he has essentially demanded a trade. And it's very similar to the Jimmy Butler situation last year where James Harden, it's, it's not where he wants to trade because the team isn't good. No, the team's been playing great and they're going to be, or they were going to be a playoff team. It's because even though he's under contract right now making a lot of money, and he's also under contract next year making a lot of money. No, no, no. But what about in four years from now? Why won't you give me money for four years from now? Oh, you're not going to do that. I'm not playing here anymore. Which was exactly what happened with Jimmy Butler last year. And, and look, it's a part about the NBA player that has really turned me off over the last few years. He's under contract to play right now and next year and like play basketball. Play basketball.

[Dan Le Batard]

I'm kind of with you. Harden's at the age where we stop doing that. There is a tipping point, like 37. You mentioned Jimmy Butler. Jimmy Butler was right to look for that extra security because he was probably more self aware than we gave him credit for when it came to his body breaking down the minutes, the coaches that he's played for. But, yeah, Harden, when does it end? We're at that point in your career where people are going to look back at his career and be bewildered by how many teams he played for.

[Zach Lowe]

Every two years he requests a trade.

[Greg Cody]

Yeah, literally. What is the market value for a James Harden?

[Zach Lowe]

Oh, I think you can get a lot for him.

[Greg Cody]

Like, a lot.

[Stugotz]

Like, they're talking about Darius Garland.

[Dan Le Batard]

Garland is right.

[Zach Lowe]

Who has no toe, by the way.

[Dan Le Batard]

He hasn't been playing because he doesn't have a toe.

[Stugotz]

It's as low. Wait, I don't think there's a great market for James Harden at 37, although there will be a market for him.

[Zach Lowe]

What categorizes good market? Like, what does that mean?

[Stugotz]

Well, not Darius Garland.

[Zach Lowe]

Something better, you're saying?

[Stugotz]

I mean, that's. That's not.

[Zaz]

He has nine toes.

[Dan Le Batard]

No, his toe is hurt. He hurt his toe in the offset.

[Tony]

Okay.

[Stugotz]

The Cleveland's confusing to me. I keep expecting him and them to be better, and they're not because he's not. At least in part. But the thing I wanted to say about what Zaz is saying, I agree. And most people listening to this would just say, yes, play contract guy. But Jimmy Butler got his money. Like, he did what he had to do in order to get $112 million for two years, $60 million a year because he was at the end of the road and he used the only leverage that he had. James Harden's not going to have any leverage at the end of this contract. This is the only time he has it. And I'm sorry, he's a businessman mercenary who's just there for the paycheck. And I'm sorry, he urinates on your sports ideals and you want to believe in team that this is the only time he's going to have that leverage for the remainder of his career. This is the time if someone's going to give him a contract, it would only be now.

[Dan Le Batard]

I feel like he's exercised the very leverage that you're outlining several times in his career in which he's earned a half a billion dollars. He's 36 years old.

[Stugotz]

He wants more.

[Zach Lowe]

All right, cool.

[Dan Le Batard]

I guess he's just remaining consistent throughout his career. But at what point does a superstar realize, all right, I've had a pretty good.

[Stugotz]

Let me.

[Dan Le Batard]

Let me try to win. We're playing good ball over here. Let me see this contract through.

[Zach Lowe]

Well, and Dan, like, when you say he wants more. Yes, of course he wants more. But it's like he's under contract for two more seasons. Like, what's the line? Like he's under contract.

[Stugotz]

Jimmy Butler just showed you he got his money. Jimmy Butler got his money and then got hurt. Got his last $112 million. That's the line.

[Zach Lowe]

Right. And the part that I would push back on. Everything you're saying makes sense for the individual player. It obviously worked out really well for Jimmy Butler.

[Zaz]

But the.

[Zach Lowe]

You can't possibly be confused why a fan like myself would hate this situation.

[Stugotz]

Of course. Of course. Nobody supports this except James Harden. Nobody supports this except the player.

[Dan Le Batard]

Well, guys. You guys are doing a parallel thing between him and Jimmy Butler.

[Zach Lowe]

Look up.

[Dan Le Batard]

Look higher, J. LeBron James has been doing this the same way.

[Zaz]

Right?

[Dan Le Batard]

Him and the Lakers are at odds right now. Why? Because they don't want to extend him. They have two different timelines now, refusing to play. I mean, not. Not publicly. Sciatica.

[Stugotz]

You accused him of refusing to play.

[Dan Le Batard]

You were the guy that made me believe that, at least. Are you betraying me?

[Zach Lowe]

That's actually true.

[Dan Le Batard]

Are you the bullshit. You convinced me.

[Zach Lowe]

I. Journalism. I did say that.

[Dan Le Batard]

So if LeBron's doing it as the top and face of the league, why would James Harden do it?

[Stugotz]

That's the first time I've ever seen. Shame on Zaz. That isn't about him speaking poorly.

[Zach Lowe]

It's not shame. It's just admission.

[Dan Le Batard]

I got his ass. That's what it was. I got his ass. Yeah, we're talking this way because you got us on your team.

[Stugotz]

The sports fan is always going to be entitled to tell the employee who wants leverage, get back out there. When's it about winning? Come on. Be about the team. James Harden very clearly has never been about the team. James Harden very clearly is about the money. James Harden very clearly is not about winning. James Harden is about James Harden.

[Greg Cody]

Well, sports has become the wild, wild West. There's no sanctity left in the contract. There's no sanctity left in the scholarship. You know, a quarterback goes from Duke to Miami because he wants to, and a player in the NBA goes from one team to the other because he pouts his way.

[Stugotz]

It's the freedom all us employees would love to have.

[Greg Cody]

I'm not saying it isn't, but is it good for sports?

[Stugotz]

Is it good?

[Greg Cody]

It's certainly not good for fans that are losing players who they thought were under contract.

[Stugotz]

It hasn't been bad for the business of sports. Like, you can lament it all you want, but the business of sports is doing fine in spite of this.

[Dan Le Batard]

Is this. I guess him going to Cleveland. Weird fit. Him playing in Cleveland.

[Zach Lowe]

Oh, I'd much rather have James Harden than Darius Garland, I'm sure.

[Dan Le Batard]

Of course, I don't know if I could, like, get through to him, but you're 36. You're one of the few people that gets along with Kawhi. You're playing good ball. You're in la. We made it and made a half a billion in our career.

[Zaz]

Let's go.

[Dan Le Batard]

Let's. You don't want to go to Cleveland. You don't want to do this. Come on, let's just. Let's stick it out. Let's try to win here. No.

[Jeremy Windhorst]

Can someone get me the reckless speculation sounder? Can we make that happen? Anybody?

[Stugotz]

Time to throw away dull journalistic credibility and get reckless.

[Greg Cody]

Here is something we like to call reckless speculation. You're good.

[Jeremy Windhorst]

James Harden and the Clippers know that Kawhi is going to be suspended for the aspiration stuff. It's why Kawhi was snubbed from playing in the All Star Game. And James Harden, despite them playing really good ball together and being boys with Kawhi, Leonard wants out. And they're willing to go with a younger piece in Garland because they're trying to clear their books and get off of everything that's about to happen.

[Dan Le Batard]

I like this theory.

[Zach Lowe]

I love this theory. But I. I got some questions to start with. I love this theory.

[Stugotz]

I love the theory, too. I loved it more the first time I heard it when Windhors offered it.

[Dan Le Batard]

The reaction within the league has been kind of universal between the executives and I've talked to, which is Kawhi Lender doesn't make the team. So, okay, that happens. Players get snubbed. Kawhi's numbers are phenomenal. But the game is obviously at Intuit Dome. And the. The wonder is, did he not make this team because the coaches didn't vote for him because of the accusations of the, you know, the improper contract?

[Zaz]

Like, he forgot the name of the company.

[Dan Le Batard]

That's the seed, though. I mean, I think Jeremy took it next level.

[Jeremy Windhorst]

I'm. Yes. Ending on Windhorst. Windhorse is giving me information and saying, like, hey, I think this might be because of aspiration. And what I'm saying to you is you got to connect the dots between that part of it and James Harden in the midst of the Clippers playing incredible basketball, all of a sudden saying, nope, I want to.

[Zach Lowe]

Not journalism.

[Jeremy Windhorst]

Reckless speculation.

[Zach Lowe]

My first question, though, is, okay, if that's why? And I could ask the question of Wind Horse as well, but he's not here. So I'm ask you. Were the coaches given like a memo, you know, don't vote James Harden.

[Stugotz]

Implied pressure. Implied pressure. The league said nothing. But everyone felt it.

[Jeremy Windhorst]

I mean that or it was already decided that no matter what the vote was. Kawhi Leonard.

[Zach Lowe]

Adam Silver cook the books. Say, say, cook the books.

[Jeremy Windhorst]

I will recklessly speculate that Adam Silver cook the books on the All Star Game.

[Greg Cody]

How about that?

[Zach Lowe]

Good for you.

[Greg Cody]

Collusion.

[Zach Lowe]

Good for you.

[Jeremy Windhorst]

Please, if the broadcasts go to the NBA continue to hire me.

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[Tony]

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[Jeremy Windhorst]

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[Stugotz]

Don LeBatard is there back in my Day.

[Greg Cody]

There is actually.

[Dan Le Batard]

Were you not going to tell anyone? Wait a minute, you guys. Guys, it's a Tuesday.

[Stugotz]

Stugats.

[Greg Cody]

Here's your guy, Greg Cody with Back.

[Stugotz]

In My Day Me.

[Greg Cody]

Okay, here it is. Sorry, adultery.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah, we're waiting for this one.

[Stugotz]

This is the D Levatar show with his two gods. Greg Cody of the Miami Herald has a Back in My day, he also has a podcast. I urge you to listen to the Greg Cody show featuring Greg Cody, where he is in the middle of a giant countdown of his top 50 catchphrases of all time, even though he's got only 21 good ones. So he's got 50, the greatest 50 ones of all time.

[Zaz]

We're already a fifth. Done. We're down to 40.

[Stugotz]

Can you give me another one? Can you give me Just so that the audience notices how hard it was to get to 50? Because you guys should have done the top 21 catchphrases of all time. Can you give me some of the others we've never heard before? Because you're in the middle of the top 50, dad.

[Zaz]

To tease this week's episode which has zazzle on it, by the way.

[Jeremy Windhorst]

Why don't you give the two.

[Zaz]

We didn't reveal last week.

[Greg Cody]

I don't remember them.

[Zaz]

One was Scranton.

[Greg Cody]

No, that was the week before, wasn't it?

[Zaz]

Wow. See, Dan, there's so many good ones.

[Greg Cody]

It's hard to remember so many good ones.

[Zaz]

My dad going scran.

[Stugotz]

But the name of a city is not a catchphrase.

[Greg Cody]

It is when you say it's Scranton.

[Dan Le Batard]

It is where's.

[Greg Cody]

There goes another rubber tree plant.

[Zaz]

That's probably top 30.

[Greg Cody]

Yeah. That hadn't even made it yet. But, you know, I'll give you one that I just did, which is. Hey, hey, where the monkeys, baby?

[Dan Le Batard]

That's a good one.

[Zaz]

I've been doing it my whole life.

[Zach Lowe]

Do you know right now, like, what your top 10 is?

[Greg Cody]

No.

[Dan Le Batard]

Wait, that's not the one that I know. There's another layer to the.

[Zaz]

What's the next layer to that?

[Greg Cody]

Yeah, people say we're monkeying around.

[Dan Le Batard]

No, no, hey, hey.

[Greg Cody]

With a hey, hey. Yeah, that's an alternate.

[Dan Le Batard]

I love that.

[Greg Cody]

That's an alternate. Hey, hey, where the hey, hey. Yeah, I mentioned that because I do an anatomy of all these things. You know, I do a sort of a genealogy on how all of these things develop.

[Zach Lowe]

Okay, but if you don't have the top 10 yet, you're not worried that you're going to get to top 10 and you're out of catch rates?

[Stugotz]

No, I think he. Wait a minute. You must know. Wait, Dan.

[Zaz]

No, no. Zaz's frustration, like about a week or two ago was true. He had started the list without completing it. You know what I mean? It's hard to know what number 48 is if you haven't done the top 10. But now he. I think he has at least now.

[Greg Cody]

Gotten all under control.

[Stugotz]

But can I can. Then we recap. Look, I don't think we're spoiling anything by sending people to the Greg Cody show featuring Greg Cody and telling them that, you know, Here are the 10 that have been revealed so far. Can we get. Can we do this, please? We just do. We'll make it a top 10 here, but it'll be 50 through 40. Can we. You can't do it off the top of your head. You're just going to say, chris, what are they? I don't remember my catchphrases. I don't remember how we ranked them. Where can I get them right now so that we can do these 10?

[Greg Cody]

Okay, but I. Every week before I reveal the latest to I do a recap of all of them till then.

[Zaz]

Yes, you can get that in the episode, but we can do that for this audience. Dad, do you have the full list in front of you? No, Dan wants to go from 50 to 40.

[Greg Cody]

Of course in front of me.

[Stugotz]

Okay, well, can you go get it, please?

[Greg Cody]

It's on my podcast. You can play the podcast.

[Stugotz]

I need it.

[Greg Cody]

Play a clip of the podcast.

[Dan Le Batard]

Hey, it's on my podcast, Somewhere in the Air.

[Greg Cody]

Just play a clip from it.

[Zaz]

That has the other one from this week.

[Stugotz]

Thank you.

[Zaz]

The other one from this week was Ball in the Jack.

[Greg Cody]

Yeah, that's number 42, ball in the Jack. Right.

[Zaz]

Which is anytime we are rushing somewhere, we're on the way to baseball practice, we're on the highway, and it's like, dad, are we, like, we're balling the jack?

[Greg Cody]

Yeah, we're moving it, baby. The time.

[Zaz]

You're moving quick.

[Greg Cody]

Well, that's a 1913 song. Or maybe it was 1916. And around that time.

[Stugotz]

You might as well play the Back in my Day music while he explains this. Even though we have a Back in my day more. Because later in the show. Because why wouldn't you start with this was back in 19.

[Greg Cody]

And right around that time, coincidentally, railway workers, railroad workers, would refer to Ballin the Jack because their nickname for a locomotive, for a train was a jack. So Ballin the Jack meant the train was moving at a high rate of speed, you know, and then Jack Kerouac in his on the Road novel also referred to Ballin the Jack in terms of highway travel. So I adopted that. And I've said Ballin the Jack frequently. Not. Not on the air so much, but in my private life.

[Tony]

I thought you were talking about playing jacks.

[Greg Cody]

No.

[Jeremy Windhorst]

Is this Ball in the Jack like Ballin the Jack or Ball in the Jack?

[Greg Cody]

No, Ballin B, A, L, L, I, N, apostrophe.

[Tony]

Okay.

[Greg Cody]

Never put the G on there. It really changes the whole feel of it. Thank you.

[Tony]

You're welcome.

[Greg Cody]

That's it. It's an abbreviated back in my day. Ball on the Jack. Jack.

[Zaz]

Can't wait for 39.

[Greg Cody]

Yeah, I can't either. 40 comes first.

[Zach Lowe]

Do you know what 40 is yet?

[Greg Cody]

Not yet.

[Stugotz]

See?

[Dan Le Batard]

What are we doing?

[Stugotz]

Greg, did you just laugh? Did you just laugh out loud at something Louis said in your ear?

[Greg Cody]

Yes. I couldn't help it. It was funny.

[Stugotz]

Yeah, but, dear.

[Greg Cody]

Thanks, Louis. Gagging the goose, of course, choking the frog. I mean, there's a million of them. Of course, half of them would sound dirty if we Keep doing it.

[Stugotz]

You think gagging the goose doesn't.

[Greg Cody]

I don't know what that means.

[Stugotz]

Why'd you laugh at it?

[Greg Cody]

Why'd you say it? Ham and the ham. I mean, ball on the jacket.

[Zaz]

Say anything.

[Greg Cody]

You know, that kind of thing.

[Stugotz]

That's going to be number one. No, you just gave away.

[Zaz]

Got to be a top 10.

[Stugotz]

It's going to be in your top 10.

[Greg Cody]

Might make the top 20. I'm going to say that.

[Stugotz]

That there's no way that kind of thing isn't in the top 10. You don't have 10 better than that. Oh, you don't know.

[Greg Cody]

Trailers for sale or rent rooms.

[Stugotz]

50 cents. Good idea.

[Zaz]

Dan.

[Greg Cody]

What'S that voice? I love it.

[Stugotz]

It's great question for you to ask. No, it's a great. That's my inner monologue. Back to the Shadow. And it had no place right there. There was no reason for my inner monologue to be singing Oops, there goes another rubber tree plan. Greg, it's a great question for you to ask why that voice. For future reference, that voice is always my secret inner monologue used there incorrectly to sing a song.

[Greg Cody]

Okay.

[Stugotz]

It was in my head.

[Zach Lowe]

Your head.

[Stugotz]

Greg, are you ready to do Back in my day. Damn, you know it. Since we're here.

[Greg Cody]

Yeah, I was born ready.

[Stugotz]

Okay. Cause you're coughing and I might need to give you a minute here to get your things in order. You look a little red faced. You look a little winded. You okay?

[Greg Cody]

Red faced.

[Zach Lowe]

Big numbers for Greg Cody show this week. I was on it.

[Stugotz]

We mentioned that already. I heard that. The Zaslow and Greg Cody. That had to be good because. Yeah, that's a big surprise. I could not have imagined that ever being a thing. They asked me a year ago.

[Greg Cody]

Yeah, I was happy to have him. I'm glad he said yes.

[Zach Lowe]

And would have been awkward if I said no.

[Zaz]

We talk about your stirring between them. They kind of like unite together in your shit stirring, but says no.

[Stugotz]

Zaz knows I'm not telling anybody anything that isn't true.

[Greg Cody]

ZSAS tells a story on the podcast about a O.J. mcDuffie Super bowl party, which is worth the price of admission. That story alone is worth tuning in.

[Stugotz]

That is how you tease something. Not Ballin the Jack.

[Greg Cody]

Okay?

[Stugotz]

That is how you tease the podcast right there. Not crappy sayings in the 40s because you don't have 40 catchphrases.

[Greg Cody]

Yeah, you'll find out, won't you?

[Stugotz]

I won't.

[Greg Cody]

Yeah.

[Stugotz]

Well, I already have. I already have found out. You don't have 40 cuz. Bolin, the jack just made an appearance and I've never heard you say it. And I've known you my entire adult life. I've never heard you say that.

[Greg Cody]

Look, the catchphrase countdown is an amalgam of stuff that I say on your show, stuff that I say on my show, stuff that I say in my private life. From the mic not everything is something uttered for public consumption. Some of it only Christopher and my family have heard.

[Stugotz]

You betrayed me on my engagement because everything is for public consumption.

[Greg Cody]

Yeah, but your engagement, that story I did did not produce a catchphrase.

[Stugotz]

Unfortunately, that's not really an accident for the betrayal blanket.

[Zaz]

It might be on the countdown just like the blanket.

[Greg Cody]

Blame it. Yeah, this. Yeah, that's a favorite of mine. So since I'm doing the countdown, chances are that will be on there.

[Stugotz]

I'm worried about you because you're a little winded. Are you ready to do it? Back in my day, you're out of practice. You don't have the stamina for these things that you used to have.

[Greg Cody]

Brian Winded horsed. Yeah, I'm ready. And now it is time to take.

[Stugotz]

A trip down memory lane. Here's your guide, Greg Cody with Back in My Day.

[Greg Cody]

Reviews. This is a true story and you've all experienced something similar and constantly, I dare say so. I go to get a haircut at my local chain store barber the other day and before I'm even home, there's an email from the place waiting for me with the subject line thank you for your visit. How was it? Your review matters. It goes on. Share your experience on Google reviews here. Seriously? I just spent 23 bucks not counting tip for a 20 minute cut and now you want a personal endorsement I haven't yet seen published a review I sent which read my stylist appeared drunk and I left with an unwanted mohawk. No actual review I had done. If I had done one, would have said I walked in, waited a bit, got the haircut I asked for, paid the amount due and left. It was a typically unremarkable, soulless commercial exchange. Just the kind of the kind I prepare. Reviews, please. Back in my day, once you closed a deal, nobody cared how you thought it went. There was no Google reviews with which to brag or complain. You didn't like your haircut, you complained to your wife and waited for it to grow in. Now you can't buy a cup of coffee or a book of stamps without being asked to share your experience. And heaven forbid Amazon drops a Package on your stoop and you ignore the calls for a review. They hound you like a landlord chasing past due rent. Everybody wants a review. Heck, my neighbors happen to have a son in the hospital. The other day I asked, how's the boy doing? And he tells me. And the next day I get an email from my neighborhood asking how was my experience and could I leave a review? So I did. Quote. Frank hesitated slightly before answering when I first asked, making me feel a bit defensive, as if I were prying. I wrote on Google reviews. Plus, he borrows stuff. He doesn't return. He still has my hoe. I tell you what, places where I do business, listen up. Unless you hear otherwise from me directly, assume my transaction was stultifyingly mundane yet unremarkably satisfactory in its way. If it was top tier, great. I'mma tell you before I leave. If it was abysmal and left me angry, you'll hear from my lawyers, McGillicuddy, Pettifogger and Shyster who trusts reviews anyway, other than my wife. Here's the dirty secret. If she reads me a glowing review for Carmine's Wood Fired Pizza, I assume Carmine himself wrote it under a pseudonymous. If it's a vicious review, I assume it was written by his bitter arch rival up the street. Enzo's dohot retailers. It's very simple. You had something I wanted, I bought it, you got paid. It's called commerce. End of transaction. Quit hectoring me for a review. I'm Greg Cody, and that's how it was back in my day.

[Zach Lowe]

So true.

[Zaz]

We're back, Jack.

[Zach Lowe]

So true.

[Dan Le Batard]

Give that one a good review.

[Stugotz]

Yeah. Tony, I have to say to you something here, letting you see behind the curtain here on When I know that Greg Cody is nailing it. You laugh the way that Izzy laughs at Greg Cody. Because out of nowhere, there's a petafogger in there. And you're like, wait a minute, what was that? What was happening there?

[Dan Le Batard]

Like, the soulless transaction. That was funny.

[Greg Cody]

Thank you.

[Stugotz]

But you laugh. I can tell that you're laughing at him the same way you'd be laughing at him in your car when you were driving around 10 years ago list to this show. Because that. No, but that's how people like that is. When I know that Greg Cody is at his very best. When you are delighting people who are rooting for you to be funny and are like, yeah, Dan's not going to like that, Pettifogger. Like, that's dangerous. The Epstein files. Where's he going with that? Like you got Pat. We don't want. Like, why would.

[Greg Cody]

Thank you.

[Stugotz]

But he's just. He's back there and he's beaming. He's just radiant. Listening.

[Dan Le Batard]

I miss back in my day.

[Zach Lowe]

Still hasn't brought me back my hoe.

[Jeremy Windhorst]

He still as my ho.

[Greg Cody]

That was my personal favorite line.

[Zaz]

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[Stugotz]

Don LeBatard.

[Greg Cody]

I heard that as a woman faking pain, I. I didn't think that sounded real. I really didn't.

[Stugotz]

You know, it was not fake. It was in no way fake.

[Dan Le Batard]

You can spot a woman faking it.

[Stugotz]

Stugats.

[Greg Cody]

Yes, I can. Jess.

[Jeremy Windhorst]

Expert.

[Greg Cody]

I've been married 40 years.

[Stugotz]

This is the Dan Levatar show with the stugats.

[Greg Cody]

Well, there's something I learned from Edwin Pope, our great mentor. Every column he would write would educate me in a way because there would be a word I didn't know. I don't know whether he did it intentionally or not, but pettifogger is a word.

[Zaz]

Scary word.

[Greg Cody]

It has nothing to do with pedophile.

[Stugotz]

What is the word? I've never heard that word.

[Greg Cody]

Pettifogger is someone like, a cheat or like. It would be a synonym for shyster. You know, just some. I don't know the exact definition offhand, but if you look it up, I think it has to do with somebody you wouldn't trust or something of that nature.

[Jeremy Windhorst]

An inferior legal practitioner, especially one who deals with petty cases or employs dubious Practice practices. So Saul Goodman, essentially.

[Stugotz]

Well, but that would be an unusual name to have in the middle of your firm's name.

[Greg Cody]

That's the joke.

[Dan Le Batard]

Someone should come back and say, this tested poorly.

[Stugotz]

And why is McGillicuddy on the front end of that? If it's McGrow, is there. Like, did you. But did you know that McGillicuddy was the head of the law firm that also has a shyster and a pettifonger? Because I didn't. I thought McGillicuddy was straight. I thought your doctor McGillicuddy and your lawyer McGill McGillicuddy and your liquor McGillicuddy. I thought all of those things.

[Dan Le Batard]

The fourth brother, Dan.

[Stugotz]

Yeah.

[Dan Le Batard]

Different law firm.

[Greg Cody]

Yeah. The McGillicuddy, my doctor and McGillicuddy, my attorney. They're different people, but brothers.

[Stugotz]

There's another thing that I wanted to ask you because you brought up reviews. I don't know when the movie review started. Okay. I sort of associate the televised movie review with Siskel and Ebert, but they were writing for their newspapers before that. But when and how did people know that movies were good or not good before the review? Like, before, mouth.

[Greg Cody]

Word of mouth.

[Stugotz]

But it would just be word of mouth. Right. So it would be kind of like, that's not a great way. It's not a get home way.

[Zaz]

Call your friend and be like, hey, I saw a great flick.

[Stugotz]

Really?

[Dan Le Batard]

I saw that movie. It sucked. That's the whole point.

[Zach Lowe]

That's what.

[Dan Le Batard]

That's what I was talking about yesterday. You have these rotten tomatoes. Like, everybody's got an opinion. Nobody's got a good one. Everybody's like, oh, this is great. Oh, this sucked. It's always a battle.

[Zaz]

Yeah.

[Zach Lowe]

I mean, years and years ago, if there was a good movie in the theater, it would get more and more money each week. Now all the peak of the movie is the opening weekend.

[Greg Cody]

Yeah.

[Zach Lowe]

And it's always downhill after that.

[Stugotz]

I imagine that over super bowl week here, and Fred Warner is going to join us. We're going to postpone Chris Mad Dog Russo until tomorrow as the super bowl week gets hyped up over Wednesday, Thursday and Friday more than it does the first couple of days. But Zach Lowe, in the middle of this is going to be the trade deadline stuff, the James Har and stuff that's making an appearance. You're going to see this ratchet up and we'll see if big names get traded or not. But Zach Lowe is saying on the conversations he's had with every team that's interested in Giannis quote, they're all a little bit skeptical that the Bucks are going to move him. Now, one front office person of one of those teams called this a sideshow, saying, this is just for show. They aren't going to trade him 80, 20. They keep him going is what I keep hearing. So he's saying 80, 20. Was it windhorse that was saying 5149? Yep. So that's a big move, that Windhorse. Now, Zazzle says none of these people know anything. I don't believe these two people don't know anything. I do believe they're talking to people. I also believe they're consistently being lied to.

[Jeremy Windhorst]

Well, he said also that he's being told by the front office executives they think 80, 20, but he still thinks it's 50 50. So ultimately, I don't know where it stands. Is it 5050, 51, 49, 80, 20. No matter what, he'd have the best deal.

[Stugotz]

Where it stands is they're all lying to him because no one would have any reason to tell Zach Lowe the truth there.

[Dan Le Batard]

Also, he said sideshow. What's the difference? Is it a dog and pony show or is it a sideshow?

[Stugotz]

Well, tell me what a sideshow is, because I know what a dog and pony show is. I don't actually know what a sideshow is. Was there something near the circus nearby? Was there a freak show?

[Zaz]

Where's a freak show falling?

[Dan Le Batard]

It's a sideshow. A freak show is a freak show.

[Stugotz]

No, I think a freed show. I think a freak show is showtime.

[Zach Lowe]

I think a side show is the thing that's not as. Not as big. There's a little something going on over here.

[Stugotz]

I think it's sort of the guest house behind the circus tent. I don't think that's where the big shows are. I think it's a. It's a show on the side.

[Greg Cody]

I think. I think the main show is the lion is jumping through a flaming hoop, and the sideshow is the seal balancing something on his nose.

[Dan Le Batard]

Oh, that's a good one.

[Zaz]

You just took me from a circus to, like, now I'm at a point Aquarium.

[Greg Cody]

No, no, he's right.

[Dan Le Batard]

He's right. There is a seal, like on a drum.

[Greg Cody]

Yeah.

[Dan Le Batard]

Who's holding up a ball with his nose, and he's trying.

[Stugotz]

Yeah, but that's pretty impressive, too. Yes. Thank you. But that's. That's also impressive. I don't think of that as a sideshow. I think you have to go outside the tent, and then the Sideshow is just somebody guessing your weight in a nearby carnival.

[Dan Le Batard]

Like the strongest man on earth, but it's also like the dumbbells.

[Stugotz]

Like, it's amazing that a seal's got a ball on its nose and the lion's jumping through.

[Zach Lowe]

Hope I'd pay attention to that seal.

[Stugotz]

Yeah. I don't think these things would be together. I think the lion might eat the seal. You got a problem on your hands that nobody, no kid wants to see at the circuit.

[Zach Lowe]

Right.

[Stugotz]

Jeremy, can you get me some information, though, on the sideshow so that we can get a formal definition for what Zach Lowe is reporting that this Yanis thing might be 8020 according to executives who are lying to him, but 5050 according to him.

[Zaz]

I love who the guy hearing it doesn't believe it. He's being told 820. He's like, but I take that info and I'm telling you 50.

[Jeremy Windhorst]

50.

[Stugotz]

I'm being lied. I'm the one getting the information. Right. It's so good. That's right. No, you would think he would. No, no. But that's what. No, what's happening is he knows they're lying to him. They know they're lying to him. So he just takes the number and he moves it. Because it's a. It's a. I'll tell you what you're.

[Zaz]

Telling me, but I want this known.

[Zach Lowe]

I don't believe that. Yeah. Why does the reporter just say, I heard that they're talking to this team and they're talking to this team, but I don't believe.

[Stugotz]

So you know that he's talking to people.

[Zach Lowe]

There it is.

[Greg Cody]

And in real life, a lion is never in the company of a seal.

[Stugotz]

That's correct. That's why it doesn't work.

[Greg Cody]

So it would be fascinating to. To see how the lion reacted to that.

[Stugotz]

It would eat the seal hungry.

[Greg Cody]

I don't know about that.

[Stugotz]

Okay.

[Greg Cody]

I think the lion would go, what's that? Give me a hyena. Give me my usual launch.

[Zaz]

Oh, look. A hyena that's not moving.

[Jeremy Windhorst]

A small show or stall at an exhibition fair or circus. Alternate definition, a minor or diverting incident or issue, especially one that distracts attention from something more important.

[Stugotz]

Right. So I know what it means, the formal definition. I just don't know what the origins of it would physically look like if we were to attend a sideshow. I do think it's funny that the author of Pride of a Lion thinks that lions eat hyenas, that that's how they. That they're Fed hyenas by circus workers.

[Greg Cody]

Well, the hyena is the archenemy of the lion in the wild. They're arch enemies.

[Zaz]

Roy just told me they don't eat hyenas. They will kill them because they're kind of like they look at them as rivals.

[Stugotz]

That's right. The pride of a lion. He's the author of two books about a lion.

[Zaz]

I just think of Lion King.

[Greg Cody]

The packs of hyenas will attack a lion. A lion, one on one against a hyena. A lion will win every time. But if there's eight or 10 hyenas attacking a lion again, then you have a.

[Stugotz]

Guys don't eat hyenas, though. And use the expert on lions here.

[Greg Cody]

I believe lions will eat hyenas.

[Zaz]

The Internet is saying that they. They kill them because they're rivals, but they rarely eat them. They eat the, you know, the zebras in the lower end.

[Dan Le Batard]

Okay, rarely eat them.

[Greg Cody]

Rarely doesn't mean never. Okay. The. The lion eats the innards. It's like quinoa the lion. The lion will eat your internal intestines before you're even dead. So when the lion kills a hyena by biting its neck, it then goes right to the gut and starts eating the innards while the. The hyena is still writhing in pain, alive.

[Zaz]

Like a zebra is like fast food. It's like the good stuff. It's like, oh, I love this.

[Greg Cody]

Oh, yeah, for sure.

[Zaz]

Like hyena. I'll eat that if that's all that's left.

[Greg Cody]

Exactly. I think that's exactly right. But don't say lions never eat hyenas because it's not true. Get McGill on the phone. He'll tell you.

[Zach Lowe]

Don't say it.

[Stugotz]

Put it on the poll, please. Are hyenas as a meal, like quinoa to lions, to the lions? Yes, thank you. I was getting there. I'm just sort of stupefied by where it is that we've ended up here.

[Tony]

Fast food.

[Stugotz]

Yeah.

[Jeremy Windhorst]

A sideshow historically features human oddity exhibits or so called freak shows. Bearded lady, preserved specimens, real or fabricated live animal acts, burlesque or strip shows, actually or ostensibly dangerous stunts. Sort of like Chris Cody swallowing a sword.

[Zach Lowe]

Bearded lady, big time freak. You can't break.

[Dan Le Batard]

Come on, sucka.

[Stugotz]

Oh, no. Put it on the pole, please. Is the bearded lady a big time freak?

[Jeremy Windhorst]

Maybe not.

[Zaz]

Yeah, we could probably leave that one.

[Stugotz]

On before explaining the show. Except the accepted. Don't ask where that poll question is later.

[Dan Le Batard]

Zaz. How dare he, right?

[Tony]

Dare he?

[Zaz]

I think he Got scared. When you're scared of a joke, you gotta just.

[Stugotz]

He was amused by himself, and then he broke. And he's just amused that he gets to be sass all the time.

[Zaz]

And then I think that was a fear break.

[Stugotz]

It was just terrible.

[Jeremy Windhorst]

Amateur bad hour for Zaz. He got got by Tony early and also breaks Mike. You got to get the notepad out.

[Stugotz]

Big time. Meeting after the show in which we bury Zaz for everything that just happened there. He was so amused by himself that he giggle snorted. It's not at somebody else's joke. That's bad enough. Like, that's bad enough to break character on somebody else's joke. It's that he amused himself so much that he couldn't stay in.

[Zaz]

Dropped in the bearded lady, which is a great line. And Tony has the follow up like.

[Stugotz]

Oh, you really beer.

[Zaz]

And then that's where he got caught up. Like, do I want to go down this path again? It's better it's just a throwaway line joke than like, let's. Let's stay here. I'll double down on really talk about it.

[Dan Le Batard]

I was this close to saying it, like 10 minutes ago, by the way. I just didn't want to be the.

[Jeremy Windhorst]

One to say it.

[Stugotz]

Zach Lowe is unquestionably exceptional at what he does. His information is good. But everything we just did there indicates to you how silly some of this stuff is between 80, 20, 51, 49. And no one actually knows whether Giannis is going to be traded until Shams reports it. And he's the only one who's going to report it. Like, it's not going to break in Milwaukee. It's not going to break someone else. Now. That's the reason that I don't know how. How it is that Woj and Shams do their jobs. Why is as in the control room. How when I was trying to penalize him by putting him in the penalty. How is it that he ended up in the control room and looking a bit like Ibad Crane right now in terms of his facial features? I understand I'm making an incredibly old reference.

[Greg Cody]

Reference to bizarre reference.

[Dan Le Batard]

I got it. Dan Headless Horseman.

[Jeremy Windhorst]

Keep removing.

[Stugotz]

He looks. Please find for me. Ichabod Crane was skinnier. But fine for me. Just a photo. Stay with this stuff. It's killing.

[Zaz]

Good reference.

[Jeremy Windhorst]

First appeared in 1820. Ichabod Crane.

[Dan Le Batard]

200 years.

[Stugotz]

It's the pointy nose. It's the pointy.

[Jeremy Windhorst]

Careful.

[Stugotz]

Aging in this industry is, you know, it's tough. It's tough. Quick say something about Kaisanette. Just say drew Ski. Just say it into the microphone. Just say Drew Ski. 1820 is amazing.

[Zaz]

Dad's playing solitaire.

[Stugotz]

1820 is amazing. It's amazing. I'm always making fun of Cody for how all these references are shoehorn, doa, cat into a conversation. Just show him you still got it.