The Big Suey: The Dirty Demon of Debate Returns (feat. David Samson)

Summary

The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz

The Big Suey: The Dirty Demon of Debate Returns (feat. David Samson)

Date: August 19, 2025

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Episode Overview

Broadcast from the Elser Hotel in Downtown Miami, this episode of "The Big Suey" sees Dan, Stugotz, Greg Cody, Billy Gil, and guest David Samson dive deep into the latest Miami Marlins turmoil, Major League Baseball's looming expansion and realignment, and a spirited pop culture roundtable featuring time travel movies and the current state of Marvel films. As always, the conversation hops between insightful sports analysis, irreverent debate, and outright comedic banter.

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Key Discussion Points

1. Miami Marlins: Deadline Decisions and Organizational Philosophy

Segment: [01:41]-[10:45]

• David Samson details the Marlins' struggles after a mid-season “winning streak,” arguing that it disrupted the team's long-term rebuilding plan:
  • “The worst thing that happened to the Marlins was all the winning they did right before the deadline… it made the owner… rethink what they were going to do.” — David Samson [02:14]
• Greg Cody and Jeremy debate if it’s really a collapse, and whether the team missed its chance to sell high on certain players, specifically Sandy Alcantara and Edward Cabrera:
  • “Cabrera had genuine trade value… but Sandy, his trade value went way down this season.” — Jeremy [03:31]
• Ownership interjection: Samson argues team ownership overrode baseball ops with an emotional response to a temporary hot streak:
  • “I promise you the decision to buy or sell is made by 30 men, not President of Baseball Ops. Owners have the final say.” — David Samson [10:45]
• Comparisons to the Rays: Discussion about how Tampa Bay outsmarts other teams by identifying undervalued players, which the Marlins aspire to but haven't mastered.

2. MLB Expansion and Realignment

Segment: [18:14]-[23:08]

• Rob Manfred’s comments on MLB expansion spark a lively segment. Samson puts it bluntly:
  • “It is as guaranteed as the sunset tonight in Miami... There’s going to be expansion, and it will happen once Tampa is sold and once that ballpark starts getting built.” — David Samson [18:25]
• Realignment and its purpose: The team debates merits of putting the Mets and Yankees together, as well as regionalizing the league (East vs. West conferences, or completely balanced 8-division system):
  • “How does it make sense to you that the Mets and Yankees are not in the same division?” — David Samson [20:02]
• Resistance to change: Jeremy and Billy debate whether divisions matter if the schedule becomes fully balanced, with Jeremy skeptical about the appeal of a Southeast Division with Miami, Tampa, Atlanta, and Nashville.

3. Movie Review: Freaky Tales on HBO Max

Segment: [23:13]-[24:28]

• David Samson reviews "Freaky Tales," calling it a new 1980s set, segmented horror film starring Pedro Pascal:
  • “This is a 1980s movie, except it’s new… It’s a great '80s movie, but it’s also got a horror component, but not like jump scare—like gore.” — David Samson [23:25]
  • Samson manages a (semi-accidental) spoiler about Pascal’s character, much to Greg Cody and Jeremy’s mock outrage.

4. The Evolving Theater Experience & Spoiler Culture

Segment: [25:07]-[27:55]

• Spirited conversation about what makes movies theater-worthy in the streaming era.
• Greg Cody: “I used to say, I know what gets me to a theater. If it’s like a big budget, like, you know, Avengers-style thing. … And now I’ve reached the point where my—nah, man.” [26:09]
• Billy Gil: “Here’s the thing ... I have to see all superhero movies in the theater, and I have to see them right away. … I don’t want spoilers.” [26:41]
• Taylor Tolman adds a warm note about the value of communal laughter at a comedy in theaters.

5. The Big Time Travel Movie Debate

Segment: [32:05]-[40:03]

A classic "Suey" segment features Billy Gil and Jeremy dueling over their top five time travel movies, with Greg Cody as judge.

• Billy’s OLI (Outside Looking In):

  • Back to the Future (“too easy”), The Butterfly Effect, The Adam Project

• Jeremy’s OLI:

  • Hot Tub Time Machine, Deadpool 2, Next (Nicolas Cage)

• Billy’s Top Five: 5. 12 Monkeys 4. Arrival (“You’ve never seen a movie like Arrival.” — Billy Gil [36:15]) 3. Looper (“It's the same movie as Deadpool 2, only it was made before.” — Billy Gil [36:53]) 2. X-Men: Days of Future Past (“That’s a great movie!”)

  1. Interstellar (“It’s Christopher Nolan’s best film … It’s an incredible—They’re on the planet. Every hour they're on the planet, they lose seven years.” — Billy Gil [38:46])

• Greg’s Top Five: 5. Avengers: Endgame (“It's a heist movie, but also they say it's not time travel because you're going in different realities of time.”) 4. Back to the Future 3 (“They went back to the 1880s…”) 3. Edge of Tomorrow (“Edge of Tomorrow. That got me to the theaters.”) 2. Back to the Future 2 (“Remember what 2015 looked like? That was cool.”)

  1. Back to the Future (“The quintessential time travel movie.” — Greg Cody [39:50])

• Winner: Greg Cody, for the classic appeal of Back to the Future.

6. The Marvel Cinematic Universe: Fandom Fatigue

Segment: [30:32]-[31:54]

• Debate about what would pull them to theaters for Marvel films: The team largely agrees there’s no urgency to see new Marvel movies, compared to "Endgame" era excitement.
• Dan Le Batard: “Because the quality dipped for an extended period of time, and things got too messy with all these timelines. … Now there's a great rebundling ... they'll try to give you all the nostalgia and then put all the old guard away and then start right back from the beginning.” [31:26]

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Memorable Quotes & Moments

• [02:14] David Samson: "The worst thing that happened to the Marlins was all the winning they did right before the deadline."
• [10:45] David Samson: "I promise you the decision to buy or sell is made by 30 men, not President of Baseball Ops. Owners have the final say."
• [18:25] David Samson: "It is as guaranteed as the sunset tonight in Miami... There’s going to be [MLB] expansion."
• [23:25] David Samson: "This is a 1980s movie, except it’s new… It’s a great '80s movie... but it’s also got a horror component."
• [26:09] Greg Cody: "I used to say, I know what gets me to a theater. If it’s like a big budget, like, you know, Avengers-style thing. … And now I’ve reached the point where my—nah, man."
• [31:26] Dan Le Batard: "Because the quality dipped for an extended period of time, and things got too messy with all these timelines. And there's a great rebundling..."
• [39:50] Greg Cody: "The quintessential time travel movie. … What would it be like if I met my mom and father when they were in high school?"
• Recurring Bit: Group teases and riffs about movie spoilers, with several mock arguments about whether revealing Pedro Pascal’s fate in "Freaky Tales" is egregious.

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Detailed Timestamps

| Timestamp | Topic/Quote | |-----------|-------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 01:41 | Introduction of David Samson, Marlins trade deadline fallout | | 02:14 | “The worst thing ... was all the winning they did right before deadline.”| | 10:45 | “I promise you the decision to buy or sell is made by 30 men, not GM.” | | 18:25 | “Expansion is a guarantee. ... as the sunset tonight in Miami.” | | 20:02 | “How does it make sense the Mets and Yankees are not in the same division?”| | 23:25 | “It’s a great '80s movie ... but it’s also got a horror component.” | | 26:09 | “I used to say, I know what gets me to a theater... And now... nah, man.”| | 31:26 | “Because the quality dipped ... great rebundling ... nostalgia ...” | | 39:50 | “The quintessential time travel movie.” |

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Tone and Style

As ever, the tone is half irreverent, half deeply informed. The crew veers between heartfelt sports analysis, zesty debate (“You’re a giant infant, okay? You have no control over your emotions.” [12:53]), and the kind of rambling, listener-friendly pop culture breakdowns that make “The Big Suey” a unique podcasting experience. Samson brings a blend of candor and cynicism, while Greg Cody and Billy Gil keep things light and combative.

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For Listeners Who Missed the Episode

This episode is a perfect encapsulation of the Le Batard Show’s strengths: uniquely Miami-fried sports insight, sharp industry commentary, and a pop-culture free-for-all that reaches surprising depth. If you want to know why the Marlins keep spinning their wheels, how the future MLB could look radically different, and which time travel movies really matter, this is your Big Suey. And, yes, “Back to the Future” still wins.

Transcript

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[Billy Gil]

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[Greg Cody]

Why are you listening to this show?

[Billy Gil]

The podcast that seems very similar to.

[Greg Cody]

The other Dan LeBatard podcast.

[Billy Gil]

I'm sorry, I'm not going to apologize for that.

[Greg Cody]

In fact, the only difference seems to be this imaging. I have been tempted in restaurants just walking past tables, grab somebody's fries that if they're just there. That hasn't happened to you guys. I've done it.

[Billy Gil]

And now here's the marching man to.

[Greg Cody]

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[David Sampson]

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[Greg Cody]

We welcome in David Sampson. Nothing personal with David Sampson. You get that every single morning wherever you get podcasts. David, welcome to the show. And I guess we got to start with a topic that's been been burning on Greg Cody's mind, which is the collapse of the Miami Marlins.

[Billy Gil]

Can you call it a collapse?

[Greg Cody]

Well, it's kind of like the slow death march. Is that better?

[Jeremy]

It was pretty predictable, wasn't it? When they got hot, they sweep the Yankees at home. They're a little over 500. People are looking at the wild card.

[David Sampson]

Standing and Jeremy started covering their games.

[Jeremy]

And it's like, you know they're going to lose eight of nine, right? And. And it's happening.

[David Sampson]

Sorry. Do you know the worst Thing that happened to the Marlins was all the winning they did right before the deadline. And, and I, and I, I don't want to yuck on the yum because it was super. And I was at one of the Yankee games. I loved seeing Marlins park sold out and all the people there. But what it did is it made the owner, Bruce Sherman, and it made the GM President of Baseball Ops Peter Bendek, sort of rethink what they were going to do at the deadline. And so they ended up not trading some of the players they should have traded because they had this thought that, wow, we're actually this team. Not the team that we thought we'd be, but in real life, which is a team that wasn't going to compete for a playoff spot. Maybe we were wrong, maybe all the analytics were wrong and that we can catch the NL wild card leaders. Except that wasn't realistic. And so what do you do if you make the trades and you trade Sandy and you trade Cabrera? All of a sudden the fans say, oh, it's the same old, same old. And Greg Cody, you would be on this show right now if the Marlins had sold at the deadline and then lost a bunch of games. You would be mfing them saying, same cheap ass, hate the owner. But they didn't do it. And now they're losing. And now you're despondent also, which means, Greg, you're just always despondent.

[Jeremy]

No, there's a couple of things at play here. First of all, Cabrera had genuine trade value, and it depends on what they could have gotten for him, whether or not I would have liked the trade. The equation is also that Sandy, his trade value went way down this season. I mean, his, his era was over 8 for much of the season. I don't think they would have gotten all that much for him. So they were sort of. Do you disagree, David? They were sort of putting back into a corner in terms of trading Sandy. They just couldn't get what they thought he was worth. True.

[David Sampson]

So it's funny, people, players are worth exactly what you can get and what your job is to have better baseball people. And if you want to be the Rays, which is what Bruce Sherman has said, I want to be the race. So to be the Rays, you have to identify players that other teams don't realize are going to be good, but you know they're going to be good once you have them, than any trade you can win. The Rays win every trade with players you've never heard of because they have a baseball department that identifies value and projects greatness in a way that other teams just aren't good at. I was terrible at that, but it doesn't matter.

[Jeremy]

So they got Peter Bendix from the Rays because of that. And so who was behind not being active on the trade deadline? Was it the owner or was it Bendix, do you imagine?

[David Sampson]

Oh, I imagine it was just the owner. I imagine the owner said, I don't want to take any heat. I don't want to do a quote, unquote, fire sale. I want to take advantage of the possibility of winning games and being a playoff team and being, it turns out, what this Marlins team is like. They're a lot like the 06 Marlins with a bunch of young players, fun to watch, interesting. Gonna win games and then gonna end up, I don't know, 79 and 83 at best. That's not terrible. You can even win manager of the year that way, but it certainly doesn't give you playoff revenue.

[Billy Gil]

But I mean, in defense of the Marlins, they did identify players that other people didn't value in Kyle Stowers and Marcy Augustine Ramirez. And they just had a price set on people like Sandy, on Edward Cabrera, who are still under team control for years to come. So they decided, you know what? We're not going to get what we want for them. We can revisit this in the offseason. We can revisit this next year. We don't have to sell them now. They're still under team control. They're not free agents that are just going to leave. And it's now or never.

[David Sampson]

So the thing about pitchers now with hitters, I agree with you. During season deals with hitters, it's rare to really get a huge deal. Now you've got the Sotos in theory, in theory, what happened with Suarez going to Seattle. But it's bullpen arms and it is starting pitchers where their value is greater right at the deadline where you can extract something. And I really would prefer you not to keep mentioning Stowers has and Jeremy will back me up on this. Stowers was a throw in in the Norby Stowers trade. Just like an extra guy to make it a two for one for Trevor Rogers.

[Billy Gil]

David, that's the point.

[David Sampson]

Happens. David, that's the point that they saw something in Stowers, that the Orioles did it and you just said that's what their job is to do what they thought is they were getting the value of Norby and now Stowers. You are going to get players who outperform what your expectation was to the positive. The key is to get the principals back in a trade who other teams are willing to make as principals, who you value as greater. So while Sandy may have an ERA of six, there were teams out there that would have traded for Sandy. The question is, could they identify players who they felt would add value at a smaller number? Because you're right, Sandy's under control and I don't have it in front of me, but I want to say he's 17 million a year for, for the next two years. But you also have Stanton at 10 million a year for the next two years. People forget about that. But that's a huge part of the Marlins payroll here going forward and that's a player not playing for you. Therefore, what you want to do is have a pitcher not making 17 million a year. You want to have guys that are all pre arbitration eligible maybe in their first year of arbitration. You want that to be the makeup of your rotation because then it can smell a lot like 2003 where you can bring in a veteran who's at the $10 million range, let's say as a compliment in your rotation.

[Billy Gil]

Jeremy, you're going to back him up. He said you would back him up. You could back him up.

[Taylor Tolman]

So Stowers was another piece in that trade. I just think it actually, like Chris said, it proves the point of being able to identify players whose value is low and being able to turn them into, to another piece. So you look at again, Billy brought up Jacob, Marcy. Jacob, Marcy, considered by many as a, as a throw in, into that trade. But if you look back at Peter Bendix, his comments when the trade for Luis arise was made, he really valued Marcy from the jump and his plate discipline since he's come up to the major leagues. He literally has the best eye in baseball and leads across several different categories. Now it's 18 games, but you're seeing the, the, the dividends of what they believed in, which is the approach. That's not to say that he'll drive the ball the way that he is as a center fielder consistently through the rest of his career. But Otto Lopez, another guy who they identified, who was dfa, who's been a really productive player for them. They have been even for that matter, trade Nick Fortes who didn't have a ton of value. They identify Matthew Etzel who's been ripping the ball and already promoted from Double A to Triple A. So they have thus far been in that space. And the debate that you will see is ultimately, will Edward Cabrera and Sandy Alcantara, if they're moved, be moved for the value that the Marlins were looking for because their decision at the deadline was to not move those guys because they set a bar for. For what it is that they wanted, and no team surpassed that bar. Ultimately, you can look at other complimentary pieces and say, sure, maybe they should have been moved, but there are other starting pitchers who just simply did not get offers for them.

[David Sampson]

David, what's that where we disagree, Jeremy? Because I don't believe it was about a bar not being met. I believe what happened is the team was so competitive that they actually changed what their plan was. And that's a big difference. And when you look at a team like the Rays, they and a bunch of really good teams, they don't change their plan based on a small sample size. So, for example, when you have a winning, an untimely winning streak and get yourself back to.500, the problem there is that it really shouldn't change what you were going to do. And the plan always was to move Sandy at this deadline. Now, is it possible that they set the bar at a Cy Young level and the true bar was at a very good $17 million pitcher where seven teams would want him? But I think what happened is they were told at the top. And you're never going to get Bruce to admit this, but I think, and it's good for fans, they want this. Fans of the Marlins have always wanted this. So I'm happy it happened, but it can really set you back. But I love the owners saying, hey, man, we're playing well. Let's see if we can ride this out.

[Billy Gil]

So it's interesting to me, David, because you say there, you know, you don't want to change plan based on a small sample size. I find it hard to believe that Peter Bendix would change the plan for the future based on a, you know, small sample size of the team performing a few games under.500 throughout half the season. But you. You think that it's the owner who made the call. We're standing pat. We're not selling off anything.

[David Sampson]

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[Dan Le Batard]

I'm not going to apologize.

[Jeremy]

I wouldn't expect you to apologize.

[Billy Gil]

Then.

[Jeremy]

You're a giant infant, okay? You have no control over your emotions. You have no control over your emotions when you're calling someone you know an idiot. I don't deserve it, okay? I don't deserve it.

[Dan Le Batard]

All right?

[Jeremy]

And you're a fool for saying it.

[Dan Le Batard]

Okay? Stugats.

[Jeremy]

You're a fool. I was kind of following you.

[Billy Gil]

Oh, you're locking in right now.

[Dan Le Batard]

You're locking in on us.

[Jeremy]

Yeah.

[Billy Gil]

Let's drop the gloves, pal.

[Greg Cody]

Let's rock.

[Dan Le Batard]

You should be thanking me.

[Billy Gil]

For what? Every day.

[Jeremy]

For what?

[Dan Le Batard]

For what I've done around this character. And the second shit gets real for.

[Billy Gil]

You, you want to come at me and call me a fool, huh?

[Dan Le Batard]

No, no, no.

[Billy Gil]

Seriously, Jeremy.

[Dan Le Batard]

Seriously, pal.

[Billy Gil]

I've added 10 years to your career. This is the Dan Levatar show with the Stugach.

[Greg Cody]

David, let me ask you this. Setting aside the. The right of last, you know, the basically the buck stops here. Of the owner says, my way is the highway. Right? If you, as the president of baseball Ops, your owner comes to you and say, look, I know what you're saying from a strategic standpoint, it makes sense to sell right here, but they're going to kill me if we do that. Is there any part of you that's like, all right, that makes sense beyond them just telling you, hey, you got to do it because I said so?

[David Sampson]

I mean, I had 18 years of arguing with the owner up and arguing with the GM down about things that we were doing not just at the deadline, but during the off season, where as president, I had to take into account what the finances of the team were. I had to take into account millions of other things other than, are we getting value for this player at this time? You're looking at an overall team budget, you're looking at the industry, you're looking at a work stoppage that could be happening. So you've got a lot of other things on your mind. So I lost plenty of arguments up. I gave in plenty of times down. Down the chain. So that's what being a president is of any company, is that you have to decide when you're gonna. When you're gonna make a stand and realize that at the end of the day, hey, if Dan wants something, Dan's gonna get it on the other side. It's my job to. To tell an owner to tell a gm, But I. I'd like you to understand a few other things that are going on that may require you to reevaluate your position.

[Billy Gil]

Right.

[Greg Cody]

So how many times did you win that argument up?

[David Sampson]

Actually, you win it more than you realize. You aim for 51%. You'd like to win more than. You lose every argument you have, both up or down. And there were some years when you're doing it long enough. Some years you're 80, 20. Some years you're 20, 80. It really depends when we were chasing Amy. I'll tell you, the biggest loss I ever had was after Jose died. I thought that we should start rebuilding, that we couldn't win and we should be making a bunch of trades. And the owner said, forget it. Let's sign a free agent pitcher. Let's try to replace him. We'll bring in. Oh, come on, Jeremy. The guy who pitched the no hitter. Henderson, Alvarez, Nocas, Edinson V. Finally, Edinson V. Thank you. Did you have that one, Jeremy?

[Taylor Tolman]

I mean, I had it with my second guess.

[Billy Gil]

No, he didn't know.

[David Sampson]

He's an idiot.

[Dan Le Batard]

I was going to guess Pablo Lopez. David, what's going on with Kyle Tucker?

[David Sampson]

Can you imagine what is going on there? The guy is slumpy, no doubt, but Cubs fans are booing him. He doesn't run out of ground ball. I get it. But this guy is the middle of your lineup and you want him to resign as a free agent. And then on top of that, you're despondent because you were passed by a Brewer team that is winning games at a historic rate, having this huge hamburger laden win streak. And now you say, we're going to rest them a couple days. They're in the middle of a five game series against the Brewers. Now's when you're going to arrest him because you think you have a better team with Kyle resting. Give me a small break. You got to play him. Play it through. He's slumping. He'll get a little duck fart. He'll get something. He'll get a seni ground ball and he'll be fine. He's got to play.

[Billy Gil]

David, you mentioned the brewers and, and the current pace that they. I mean, they had a 14 game win streak snapped the other afternoon. And it brings me to Cubs manager Craig Counsel, former Brewers player. Former brewers manager Craig Counsel also grew up in Milwaukee. Why is Craig Counsel lying about George Webb hamburgers?

[David Sampson]

It's so stupid. Just to give the background. Craig Counsel said, yeah, I've never heard of George Webb. Don't know what it is. And then they found. Because it's easy to find. You don't have to be on the dark web with Tony's guy to find a quote from 2018 where Craig Counsel. When the brewers last won 12 in a row and everyone got free burgers, all of a sudden Council was like, yeah, this is awesome. We're getting free burgers for everyone. We've been thinking about this a lot as a team, and then seven years later, I don't even know what that is. That's just Craig Counsel. His sphincter's tightening up. He's looking up at the brewers for a second year in a row, having gone to Milwaukee. And remember in Chicago, they only look up at the brewers when it's geographic. They look down on Milwaukee almost every other way every other time. But now they're looking up at them in the standings again and they're getting tight. They're getting nervous. They're benching Tucker. They're lying about burgers. You know what? I got an idea. Win some games.

[Billy Gil]

Told you his ass two weeks ago. Craig Counsel Interesting conversation.

[Greg Cody]

David. The commissioner, Rob Manfred, went on a broadcast and started saber rattling about expansion and realignment. How realistic is expansion at this point for mlb?

[David Sampson]

It's a guarantee. I mean, it is as guaranteed as the sunset tonight in Miami, and it will always be in the West. We talked about geographic realignment in a strategic planning committee meeting 10 years ago where we were gonna have 32 teams. We didn't name the other two teams, but 32 teams, 18 divisions, four teams. Mets and Yankees together, Dodgers, Angels together. Cubs, White Sox together. Raise. Marlins together. That was a big one. I raised my hand. What about the raised Marlins? We got to get that. They were like, yeah, whatever, Dave. So you guys can all have 8, 000 people. So it is a. It's a real thing. There's going to be expansion, and it will happen once Tampa is sold and once that ballpark starts getting built, the Vegas ballpark is getting built, theoretically. And that will be done by 28 or. But all of this is going to come out in the CBA negotiations that are starting right now. People aren't talking about this, but the CBA negotiations.

[Greg Cody]

Shh.

[David Sampson]

They've started now. It's not NLRB official or anything like that. So they haven't decided whether they're going to meet with the square table or a roundtable, but there's constant communication between the union and the commissioner, commissioner's office. And what will be in this new CBA will be expansion, realignment, expanded playoffs. So we're going to hear a lot about these things, but we're not going to see it. Actually, my guess is until 2030, which may sound like it's far away, but I reminded someone today that we're as close to 2030 as we are far.

[Billy Gil]

From COVID David, why does there need to be realignment? Like, what does that do?

[David Sampson]

Oh, it makes it. How does it make sense to you that the Mets and Yankees are not in the same division? I'm just asking, like. Like, think about that.

[Jeremy]

In a way. It does, because then they can meet in the World Series. Theoretically, who cares?

[Billy Gil]

They're riding a bus.

[David Sampson]

So they could still meet in the World Series, but they could also meet in the playoffs. Whether you have 1v16 and expand the playoffs or two conferences of eight playoff teams each and it's 1v8, but it's just better for players, it's better for travel. Interleague used to be a super cool thing back when the American League and National League would never play each other until the World Series. When interleague Was introduced. It was a huge thing. Now it's like a Tuesday. There's interleague every day in baseball. No one gives a flying rat's pituitary gland. So what do you do? You get rid of it. You forget about it. And you expand, you realign, and you've got Dodgers, Angels, who are a natural rival. It's amazing. Imagine, like, Padres, Dodger. Oh, it's fantastic. I love it. My hand was raised for geographic realignment. Put me in a division and get rid of the Mets. Put me in with the Braves and the new team in Nashville, let's say. And the Rays and us, and let's go. Yeah.

[Billy Gil]

But now the Citrus Series means nothing.

[David Sampson]

Correct. It always meant nothing.

[Billy Gil]

What?

[David Sampson]

But now it really means nothing.

[Greg Cody]

So would it be like East, Eastern Conference, Western Conference, like that?

[David Sampson]

We couldn't come to agreement. So I don't know if they've come to agreement since then on whether you'd actually have conferences, whether you'd officially get rid of the American League and National League, which I think you would. The way they got rid of it with umpires all those years ago. Greg is probably the only one who remembers that umpires used to have Al and N.L. on their heads.

[Jeremy]

I do remember that. Yeah.

[David Sampson]

Yeah. That's not the case anymore. Now they're all major league umpires. So I think the whole thing with the leagues, it may be done.

[Greg Cody]

Wow.

[Jeremy]

So. So the new Southeast Division would be Miami, Tampa, Atlanta and Nashville. What a horrible division.

[David Sampson]

Oh, my God. It's like. What's horrible about it?

[Jeremy]

It's an expansion team. It's the Marlins. Tampa is not a sexy team. They don't draw big tv.

[Billy Gil]

They don't even have a stadium.

[David Sampson]

But it's a balanced schedule. Greg, you play everybody anyway.

[Jeremy]

Yeah, but Atlanta, like, is going to dominate that division.

[David Sampson]

You need more Nationals.

[Billy Gil]

If you play everyone anyways, then what difference does it make what division the teams are in?

[David Sampson]

I can't figure it out, Billy.

[Jeremy]

I mean, you.

[David Sampson]

I don't know.

[Billy Gil]

Like, why are we fighting for realignment if you're just going to play everyone the equal amount of times?

[Jeremy]

Don't you play more against the division? Is that format going to change? Don't you play?

[David Sampson]

I think it'll be a completely balanced schedule, but again, that has not come to fruition yet. We don't know what will happen. So it's all going to. It's all going to work itself out. But you originally asked me. I mean, is. Will there be expansion? Yes, Guaranteed. Owners want those expansion fees to pay down debt 2. Will there be realignment guaranteed? Will it be as absolutely epic as full geographic realignment, the type that we talked about 10 years ago? You got to get 23 votes. And I would say it's not a guarantee, but it's close.

[Greg Cody]

David, before we let you go, what movie are you reviewing for us today?

[David Sampson]

Have any of you watched Freaky Tales?

[Greg Cody]

No, I just learned about it today.

[David Sampson]

Freaky Tales on hbo. Max, is Pedro Pascal in every movie that's made now? Yes.

[Greg Cody]

Contractually, yes.

[David Sampson]

I think it's.

[Greg Cody]

I think.

[David Sampson]

I mean, you're right. I think he has to be in every movie in some way, shape or form, because every time I turn on a movie and he's in it. This is a 1980s movie, except it's new. It takes place in 1987 in Oakland, and you forget what was going on in Oakland around the Alameda Coliseum back there. It's a great 80s movie, but it's also got a horror component, but not like Jump Scare, but like gore. And it's done in segments like Love, actually, where somehow they all relate at the end, but you're not sure how. And then they do. And then all of a sudden, Pedro Pascal gets stabbed, and then he's bleeding in a way that looks gross, but you're like, that's not real.

[Greg Cody]

It's just gonna fire it up.

[David Sampson]

Spoiler alert.

[Greg Cody]

Yeah, yeah, it just got. It came out this year. It's a brand new movie. What are you doing?

[Jeremy]

Way to ruin it, Samson.

[David Sampson]

You think that you've. I've ruined the plot saying that Pedro gets bloodied. I'm just saying if you were explaining it, if somebody was like, oh, this sounds cool. I want to watch. And then all of a sudden you're like, he dies. It's like, whoa.

[Greg Cody]

You could have said a character gets stabbed and it looked fake or whatever you had to say, Pedro got stabbed.

[David Sampson]

It's a wild David Tuesday.

[Billy Gil]

Someone tells you, hey, the boat's going to sink at the end. You'd be like, what?

[Greg Cody]

Shock of my life. Thank you, David. Nothing personal with David Sampson. Catch it wherever you get podcasts, Don LeBatard is there.

[Jeremy]

Back in my day, there is actually.

[Billy Gil]

Not going to tell anyone. Wait a minute, you guys.

[Dan Le Batard]

Guys, it's a Tuesday.

[Billy Gil]

Stugarts, here's your guy, Greg Cody with.

[David Sampson]

Back in My Day.

[Jeremy]

Okay, here it is. Sorry, Adultery.

[Dan Le Batard]

For this one.

[Billy Gil]

This is the D. Levatar show with the two gods.

[Greg Cody]

And we transition seamlessly to another guest. We've got my guy, Taylor Twelman.

[Jeremy]

Yes.

[David Sampson]

And I'll let you know when he's here.

[Billy Gil]

Oh, at some point. Hey, Zaz. What? Were they chasing those kids out of the house? What happened in that movie? Weapons? Yes. They're just spoiling movies. Why are the kids running? I'm not gonna spoil because I don't like spoilers, and I don't want anyone to get mad. But I'll tell you what, man. It's not what you think. I found out why those kids. That's why I had to see Weapons Railway.

[Greg Cody]

I gotta know.

[Billy Gil]

I had to know why they were running out of the house at 17. Am I to not return? And I know now because I saw the movie.

[Greg Cody]

Is it worth seeing in the theater, or can I just wait?

[Billy Gil]

What movies you want to see in the theater if you could see it in theater?

[Greg Cody]

I don't believe that.

[Billy Gil]

I don't like that someone walks down the aisle like, this person gonna kill us all. I don't like it.

[Greg Cody]

I just. To me, I don't. I honestly don't know what gets me to. I used to say, I know what gets me to a theater. If it's like a big budget, like, you know, Avengers style thing. Yeah, I'm going to the theater. And now I've reached the point where my. Nah, man. It's. It's pretty much like, do I feel like watching?

[Billy Gil]

No, I hear you. Movies are expensive too, man.

[Greg Cody]

So to me, like, Naked Gun, I was like, you know what? I'm not gonna wait. I want to go see. What?

[Billy Gil]

See, that's the kind of movie that I don't think you need to see.

[Greg Cody]

I don't think I needed to see in the theater, but I knew I didn't want to wait. That was the thing for me. I don't want to wait. I want to watch this immediately.

[Billy Gil]

I have to see all superhero movies in the theater, and I have to see them right away.

[David Sampson]

And.

[Billy Gil]

And we go. I go with my boys. It's a thing we do. We see all horror movies in the theater.

[Greg Cody]

Kevin Feige must hate me when I say this, man, but Disney plus made me be like, I'm not going to pay for any of these movies ever again. I'm just gonna wait. So Thunderbolts still haven't seen it.

[Dan Le Batard]

They gotta earn your dollar now.

[Greg Cody]

They're not even earned. Like, it's not happening. Like, I'm trying to think, what's a Marvel movie on the horizon that I'm like, I might go see that Doomsday?

[David Sampson]

No.

[Billy Gil]

How about.

[Dan Le Batard]

How about the next Spider Man?

[Greg Cody]

No.

[Dan Le Batard]

Really? The Franchise is good.

[Greg Cody]

It is good, but I just.

[Dan Le Batard]

We had no way home. That's.

[Billy Gil]

I know.

[Dan Le Batard]

Great.

[Greg Cody]

It was great. I just. I don't. I've reached that point where I'll watch it when it comes out on screen.

[Billy Gil]

Here's the thing, though, and this is also part of why I have to see the movie in the theater, and I have to see it right away. I don't want spoilers.

[Greg Cody]

Oh. I mean, I've actually gotten pretty good at avoiding. So Superman. I still haven't seen Superman, but I'm.

[Billy Gil]

Like, that's a movie you gotta see in the theater, man.

[Greg Cody]

Just wait, man. Like, it's gonna be on hbo, Max, in no time.

[Billy Gil]

But if you wait, it's not gonna be in the theater anymore.

[Greg Cody]

No. I got a pretty big TVs ass, you know, and a nice sound system, man. Like, wow.

[Billy Gil]

I didn't realize the meaning with his big theater.

[Greg Cody]

Look, man, I. Look, you got. You have the Zazzle Mansion.

[Billy Gil]

I do.

[Greg Cody]

I have the Alhassan Manor. Manners are better than mansions.

[Billy Gil]

Now we know one of us has a lot more opulence in the.

[Taylor Tolman]

I'll say. Seeing Naked Gun in theaters was a great experience because there's nothing like the communal laugh of a really good comedy. Like, I saw no Hard Feelings, the Jennifer Lawrence comedy in theaters, and it, I think, completely changed my perspective on how much I love that movie, because when I saw it in theaters, everybody was cracking up.

[Greg Cody]

That's a funny one.

[Taylor Tolman]

And there's something about that experience that makes you really love it later on.

[Billy Gil]

Oh, my God. Impartial debate.

[Greg Cody]

Oh, he's back.

[Billy Gil]

The Marvel Cinematic Universe. Fellas, it's been a while.

[Greg Cody]

Where you been?

[Billy Gil]

I was, you know, I. I got.

[Dan Le Batard]

Into some other podcasts, other business ventures and whatnot. I basically just follow you guys through the social clips. And then yesterday, I saw you guys talking about the Cleveland Browns quarterback situation. I was like, all right, maybe check.

[Billy Gil]

Back in with these guys.

[Dan Le Batard]

And now look at the conviction.

[Billy Gil]

He has. One side, you've got another.

[Dan Le Batard]

It's just vintage.

[Billy Gil]

That's really good stuff.

[Greg Cody]

We brought it back.

[Billy Gil]

First time, long time. How you guys doing? It's great out here.

[Dan Le Batard]

I'm loving it.

[Billy Gil]

Great couple of months. Everything's going great. You run into anybody fun?

[Dan Le Batard]

Oh, yeah, mostly in the cabinet. I'm in charge of getting rid of the windmills. Don't like those. Kill a lot of birds.

[Greg Cody]

Are birds real?

[Dan Le Batard]

That's between me and the big guy.

[Greg Cody]

We're.

[Billy Gil]

We're the two other guys.

[Greg Cody]

Thank you very much. Dirty demon.

[David Sampson]

One of them will be back tomorrow.

[Greg Cody]

Which one?

[Jeremy]

The other one.

[David Sampson]

Tune in to find out.

[Greg Cody]

Jeremy. I went to Naked Gun, and I had, like, the opposite thing where I was many times the only person to laugh because people didn't get the joke.

[Billy Gil]

Do you feel weird about that?

[Greg Cody]

No. It empowers me to laugh long.

[Billy Gil]

Yes.

[Greg Cody]

Louder and harder.

[Jeremy]

Yeah. You like to be the only guy laughing?

[Greg Cody]

Yeah.

[Taylor Tolman]

Makes me feel smarter.

[Dan Le Batard]

Naked Gum was good for a few of those where I would laugh and I would just laugh louder because the group that I was with got it. But, I mean, come on. That Janet Jackson joke was a banger. Where are you, folks?

[Greg Cody]

I. I laughed so hard at that, and everyone was like. I could hear the. It's not even like, that's not funny. It's just, like, this confusion. Like, what.

[Dan Le Batard]

How do you not get this joke? The Black Eyed Peas. Dead panning. There's a couple really good moments there.

[Greg Cody]

What. What a great movie. But to go back to what we were talking about, the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Yeah. What's gonna get me into a theater?

[Dan Le Batard]

I. You know, there's a lot of people.

[Greg Cody]

Were the. The next big movies that are coming out, like, just whatever from whatever.

[Dan Le Batard]

Did Deadpool, Wolverine get you out?

[Greg Cody]

It did. I saw that.

[Billy Gil]

What a movie.

[Greg Cody]

Yeah. That was a great.

[Dan Le Batard]

I do think Doomsday.

[Billy Gil]

Doomsday is gonna be a monster.

[Dan Le Batard]

It's just. It's such a winner when you just get all these people back. I know. It's a mess. And convoluted.

[Greg Cody]

They got it. Like, this is what I think about a lot when I think about Endgame and all those things. It was. It was. You could feel it build that crescendo of, like, what's next? What's next? Even Captain Marvel. We're back in 1994. Like, cool. What's next? What's next? What's next? Endgame. Like, oh, my God, it was tantric, and now it's just like, thunderbolts came out. Like, oh, it's pretty good. I'm like, I'll wait. I have no sense of urgency. Agreed.

[Billy Gil]

Agreed.

[Dan Le Batard]

Because the quality dipped for an extended period of time, and things got too messy with all these timelines. And there's a great rebundling. That's a term that I read on the Internet yesterday.

[Billy Gil]

I love a good bundle.

[Dan Le Batard]

Everybody knows that it's a great rebundling, and I think that they're gonna try to give you all the nostalgia and then put all the old guard away and then start right back from the beginning with new casting for you know, the Central Avengers, the Iron Mans, the Captain Americas of the world. We hit reset on that and you start anew.

[Greg Cody]

Yeah. Endgame, obviously, like I said, was such a great, great crescendo to all that they were building. Endgame is also a time travel movie.

[Billy Gil]

Yes.

[Greg Cody]

You have a top five.

[Billy Gil]

Oh, yeah, baby.

[Greg Cody]

Time travel movies.

[David Sampson]

Oh, yeah.

[Billy Gil]

Everybody knows. If you know one thing about me, you know that I love time travel.

[Greg Cody]

Loves time travel movies.

[Billy Gil]

If you know two things about me, you know that I love time travel movies and prison movies. Yes, those are my movies. I will see them for sure. But I have a top five time travel movies. I got some Oli as well.

[Greg Cody]

I've also create, crafted a list as well. Do we want to do alternating? How do we want to do this?

[David Sampson]

You can battle, like, go back and forth.

[Billy Gil]

All right, we're do alternating. You're for time travel too.

[David Sampson]

Do you do your olis first?

[Billy Gil]

Okay. Is it a competition? And Greg decide the winner who is a better list?

[David Sampson]

I like this.

[Jeremy]

Okay.

[Greg Cody]

Yeah, sure.

[Jeremy]

All right, I'm ready.

[Billy Gil]

Oli. Back to the future. Now, back to the future is only an olive for me because it's too easy, you know, like disrespectful. If everybody. If you know anything about me, you know that I never do anything that's too easy. So back to the future is an oli.

[Greg Cody]

You got some brass on you, boy. Oli, Hot tub. Time machine. It was fun. How does. How does time travel work? You go to a hot tub?

[Billy Gil]

One or two?

[Greg Cody]

One. Okay, two was a little derivative.

[Billy Gil]

Craig, who's winning so far?

[Jeremy]

That's not a. An oli.

[Billy Gil]

Okay.

[Jeremy]

All right.

[David Sampson]

His list could be better though, if that's an Oli.

[Jeremy]

Thus far, I think he's cheated by putting a high ranking movie as an.

[Greg Cody]

Well, let's see how it goes.

[Billy Gil]

Oli, the butterfly effect. That's like the only good. Ashton Kutcher.

[Greg Cody]

Yeah, let's see that.

[Billy Gil]

That's a good movie.

[David Sampson]

That movie I saw when I was younger. I watched it a couple years ago. Man, that first 10 minutes is jarring. I did not remember how wild, like, the setup is for how everything's so broken.

[Billy Gil]

He's very controversial these days. Ashton Kutcher, but that was a good movie. I like that movie.

[Greg Cody]

Him and his wife.

[David Sampson]

Mm.

[Greg Cody]

Oli. Deadpool 2. Cable comes back from the past to kill the kid.

[Billy Gil]

Yep.

[Greg Cody]

And they gotta figure out like, hey, do you kill the kid who grows up to be this awful person?

[Billy Gil]

Would you kill the kid?

[Greg Cody]

Yeah, I'm kind of like team Cable on this. And Deadpool's thing is, like, you can change. Anyone can change. I'm like, I don't know, buddy. I don't know. Yeah.

[Billy Gil]

All right, Oli. The Adam Project. I love this movie.

[Greg Cody]

This is Ryan Reynolds.

[Billy Gil]

I love that movie so much. It's really funny because it's your typical Ryan Reynolds type humor. Big time travel. It's got a lot of heart. It's got a family aspect to it. I. It's got great action, great music. Zoe Saldana's in it, looking very, very cute. I love the Adam Project.

[Greg Cody]

Oli. Next.

[Billy Gil]

What is that?

[Greg Cody]

That's the Nicholas Cage movie where he can see into the future like five minutes at a time. So then he. He actually lives it and then goes back in time five minutes and then redoes it the right way. So he becomes, like, an incredible gambler. He's trying to. What's the name of the girl in the movie that he's trying to holler at? Mike doesn't.

[Dan Le Batard]

I don't remember. Next.

[Greg Cody]

Oh, wow. I like that.

[Dan Le Batard]

I remember Bangkok. Dangerous.

[Greg Cody]

Where the soup was hot with the deaf girl. Right.

[Billy Gil]

Do you have any more, Oli? Because I don't. Jessica Biel.

[Greg Cody]

Jessica Biel. There you go. And he tried to holler at Jessica Biel and he fails. And then he goes back five minutes early and he does it again and he fails and he keeps doing it until he figures out what the right way to do it.

[Jeremy]

True.

[Dan Le Batard]

It's hot.

[Billy Gil]

Hot.

[Greg Cody]

Here we go. Number five, Zaz.

[Billy Gil]

12 monkeys.

[Dan Le Batard]

Pitt got nominated for that.

[Greg Cody]

Bruce Willis got sent back into the past.

[Billy Gil]

Oh, yeah. He's all over. All over the place. Brad Pitt. It may be Brad Pitt's performance of his career. He's incredible in that movie. Bruce Willis, of course. That movie's wild. 12 Monkeys. That's a good movie. Good time travel movie.

[Greg Cody]

Number five, Avengers Endgame. Although they try to clarify that it's.

[Billy Gil]

Not quite time travel heist movie.

[Greg Cody]

It's a heist movie, but also they say it's not time travel because you're going in different realities of time. All right, number four, Arrival.

[Billy Gil]

Amy Adams. Jeremy, why you cringe? Crazy. That movie's incredible. That's a. You've never seen a movie like Arrival.

[Greg Cody]

I've seen a bunch better time.

[Billy Gil]

It is. It's linear.

[Greg Cody]

Number four, Back to the Future.

[Billy Gil]

Three.

[David Sampson]

Really?

[Billy Gil]

That's what you're doing?

[Greg Cody]

It was, hey, they went back to the 1880s. And I was like, oh, man, I wish I could live in the 1880s.

[Billy Gil]

What a cheap way out.

[Greg Cody]

Mad Dog Buford. Yeah, you got it. There you go. Mad Dog Tanning.

[Billy Gil]

Didn't the Ninja Turtles time travel?

[Greg Cody]

Yeah, that's Cinephobe episode, right? Look it up.

[Billy Gil]

Well, wait, maybe that'll be on the list.

[Greg Cody]

Number three.

[Billy Gil]

It's the same movie as Deadpool 2, only it was made before it. And that's Looper. Yeah, it's the same movie. Looper with what's his face. He's got the three names. Bruce Willis, Emily Blunt, Paul Dano as well. That scene with him early on in the movie, that really sets the tone. And. And Jeff Daniels plays. Plays a gangster in that movie. Yeah, Looper. Again, it's the same movie as Deadpool 2. Looper. So good.

[Greg Cody]

I like Looper. Looper's a good movie. You mentioned Emily Blunt. She's in my number three. Edge of Tomorrow.

[Dan Le Batard]

Live, Die, Repeat.

[Greg Cody]

Which. Nope, It's Edge of Tomorrow, Die, Repeat. That's the cool name. Live, Die, Repeat. Sounds corny. Edge of Tomorrow. That got me to the theaters. I heard that movie. Edge of Tomorrow. I'm there.

[Billy Gil]

Number two, X Men, Days of Future. Incredible movie. That's Mike Ryan. I don't like the way you looked at me with the side eye there, like. Do you have any idea what a good movie is?

[Greg Cody]

No, that was a great movie. He's.

[Billy Gil]

That's a great.

[Greg Cody]

I'm regretting it's not on my list right now.

[Jeremy]

Wordy title. Wordy.

[Billy Gil]

Who's winning so far?

[Jeremy]

Greg.

[Billy Gil]

Just check in here.

[Jeremy]

You know, so far I have only heard of one of the movies mentioned.

[Billy Gil]

All right. Back to the future.

[Jeremy]

No. 12 Angry Men.

[Billy Gil]

Repeat the first time here.

[Taylor Tolman]

Repeat a few movies back.

[Billy Gil]

So who had 12 Angry Men?

[Jeremy]

I think that was Star Trek 2.

[Billy Gil]

Yeah.

[Dan Le Batard]

12 Monkeys.

[Jeremy]

Whatever.

[Billy Gil]

Time traveling in the movie.

[Jeremy]

Fantastic.

[Greg Cody]

Number two.

[Billy Gil]

That was number two.

[Greg Cody]

Number two, Back to the Future 2. Remember what 2015 looked like? That was cool.

[Billy Gil]

Your list is cheap.

[Greg Cody]

No, man, it's not cheap. Wait till you get to my number one. You'll never believe what it is.

[Billy Gil]

Okay, okay.

[Greg Cody]

What's your number one?

[Billy Gil]

Interstellar. That's the greatest time travel movie. Come on now. It's Christopher Nolan's best film. It's an incredible. They're on the planet. Every hour they're on the planet, they lose seven years.

[Greg Cody]

That's not time travel. That's just living.

[Billy Gil]

When you're in a wormhole, that's time travel. Don't tell me that. If there's a wormhole. We're not talking about time travel.

[Dan Le Batard]

It's time travel. The book no, no, no. There's time travel and Matt Damon. Scoundrel.

[Greg Cody]

Yeah.

[Billy Gil]

Bad man.

[Greg Cody]

My number one. You mean to tell me you built a time machine out of a DeLorean? Come on, man. Doc, doc, the scar. You had it. You fell off your toilet. And that's the day Greg is clapping.

[Dan Le Batard]

And I can't wait to see which TMC. TMC Classic.

[Jeremy]

He's got.

[Billy Gil]

1.21 gigawatts.

[Greg Cody]

1.1. It can't be done. It can't be done. I need. Come on, man.

[Billy Gil]

Yes. It's an incredible movie.

[Greg Cody]

The quintessential time travel movie.

[Billy Gil]

But it's so. Like, your list is so cheap.

[Greg Cody]

What would it be like if I met my mot and father when they were in high school?

[Billy Gil]

Yes.

[Jeremy]

The winner. Back to the future.

[Greg Cody]

Thank you. We bring in Taylor Tolman right here.

[David Sampson]

Let's go to break.

[Jeremy]

We'll bring him right back.

[Greg Cody]

All right, Taylor Tolman next.

[Dan Le Batard]

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