The Big Suey: The Eric Gregg Game

Summary

The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz

The Big Suey: The Eric Gregg Game

Date: March 16, 2026
Recording Location: Elser Hotel, Downtown Miami

---

Episode Overview

This episode of The Big Suey dives into the controversial ending of the most recent World Baseball Classic semifinal between the United States and the Dominican Republic, dissecting the pivotal final pitch call, the complexities of officiating under pressure, and the emotional aftermath among players and fans. The Le Batard crew also revisits the infamous “Eric Gregg Game,” weighs in on NCAA tournament matchups, discusses looming NBA expansion, and explores high-stakes labor negotiations in the WNBA.

---

World Baseball Classic Controversy

Setting the Stage

• The U.S. beats the Dominican Republic in a dramatically controversial finish. The final pitch—a called strike three—was widely seen as a ball, sparking outcry from fans, players, and commentators alike.

[02:10] Stugotz:

“The World Baseball Classic last night ended in controversy... The last pitch was not a strike. If they were still using replay, they would have overturned that as a strike.”

Was It Really a Strike?

• [04:06] Dan Le Batard attempts to contextualize the call:

  “That’s not why the DR lost... when you're playing the USA in the semifinals, you best be swinging. You cannot be caught looking because MLB would like the USA to advance.”

• [04:24] Stugotz insists the call was decisive:

  “It is why they lost. They had a runner on third. ... It should have been a walk. It was not a strike. It was a ball.”

Commentary on Umpiring

• [04:56] Sampson tempers the reaction:

  “I saw the video and... it’s not even close to as egregious as I thought based on the conversation online.”

• [05:27] Stugotz holds firm:

  “It wasn’t a strike. ... The game would have continued if that was called correctly.”

The Philosophical Divide

• Should hitters protect the plate on close pitches when the game's on the line, or should umpires be expected to make the perfect call?
• [06:44] Jonathan Zaslow calls out perceived bias:

  “If this was reversed... America First, Samson and Zaslow would be freaking the f*** out right now.”

• [07:45] Stugotz:

  “America would be making the opposite argument if this had happened to the American [team].”

Preparation and Managerial Decisions

• [08:02] Dan on approaching umpiring in big international games:

  “You meet with your players before a game to talk to them about the circumstances of the game. ... You’ve got to change your approach.”

• [08:38] Stugotz:

  “Like you meet with your players and you tell them, hey, look... you gotta swing at the end of the game, even if it's out of the strike zone.”

Fan & Player Reactions (Kid Mero & Carl Anthony Towns)

• [10:01] Audio drop of Kid Mero and crew reacting live to the call:
  • “NO!”
  • “That is down!”
  • “That is a terrible goddamn call. You cannot call that.”
• [13:09] Carl Anthony Towns, watching as a Dominican fan:

  “Hell yeah, that was a ball, man. Some bulls***... Bro, come on, bro. That was a ball as hell.”

Umpiring Nationality and Bias

• [13:25] Stugotz:

  “So that’s what it comes down to... the ump is from Denver.”

• [13:41] Trista:

  “If I’m h*** in that situation, that’s more of the argument for [why] you gotta swing... We got Denver, Colorado behind the plate.”

Final Assessment

• The hosts circle back repeatedly to the hitter's challenge: Should you trust the ump or swing at anything close?
• [18:56] Stugotz offers a key perspective:

  “You guys sitting here saying, you gotta swing the bat... Do you realize how much easier it is to be the critic in this spot...? I knew it was a ball. It is a ball forever.”

The Eric Gregg Game Parallel

• The episode title is referenced as the crew revisits the notorious 1997 NLCS "Eric Gregg Game," where umpire Eric Gregg's wide strike zone helped Liván Hernández to 15 strikeouts.
• [19:50] Stugotz:

  “Eric Gregg was calling strikes that were in the opposite batter’s box... Levon Hernandez struck out 15 batters in this game, at least in part because the strike zone was the most ridiculous thing.”

• [20:54] Sampson:

  “If you have not watched it recently, it’s... even worse than you remember it being. The calls are so egregious. That’s what I thought I was waking up to this morning.”

• The discussion highlights both the frustration and enduring storytelling power of controversial umpiring moments in baseball.

---

NCAA Tournament Preview

Top First-Round Matchups with Trista

[32:17] Trista’s Top 5 Games (First Round)

1. UConn vs. Furman:
   • “Spicy matchup... This is upset alert for me.”
2. Wisconsin vs. High Point:
   • “High Point are monsters. They force turnovers... Not just a mid-major hoping for a miracle.”
3. TCU vs. Ohio State:
   • “One of the spicier matchups... If TCU wins, chaos sets up against an injured Duke team.”
4. Vanderbilt vs. McNeese:
   • “Vanderbilt just beat Florida by 17... may be one of the hottest teams in the country right now.”
5. Miami vs. Missouri (in Missouri):
   • “Unfair... Miami is the more talented team on paper, but they’re playing in Missouri’s backyard. That always matters in the tournament setting.”

---

NBA Expansion and European Ambitions

Vegas and Seattle Expansion

• [36:52] Stugotz:

  “The NBA is holding a vote... to explore adding expansion teams in Vegas and Seattle. ... I’m assuming teams will be in Las Vegas and Seattle in short order.”

• [37:29] Sampson on overexpansion:

  “The regular season kind of stinks in the NBA and now we’re going to add more teams... It’s obvious it’s going to be Vegas and Seattle, but it’s not very exciting to me.”

Conference Realignment and Europe

• [37:42] David explains:

  “Shams has alluded to the Grizzlies and Timberwolves moving to the Eastern Conference... hopefully... When Europe gets into the equation, they just do away with conferences entirely... Every team in the league just plays twice...”

• [38:06] Zaslow is skeptical about Europe:

  “I don’t know that these European teams are going to allow that really to happen.”

Ownership Shuffle & Civic Lessons

• [38:37] Dan:

  “You call it exploring relocation because you don’t have ownership groups yet... There’s a fight going on behind the scenes about who’s going to get the Vegas team... The city of Seattle, you paid more to get your team back than you would have to have kept your team.”

• The hosts use the Seattle/Oklahoma City example as a warning to cities about losing and regaining franchises.

---

WNBA Labor Dispute

• [41:39] David prompts Dan to update on the WNBA’s tense CBA talks, with another deadline looming.
• [42:06] Dan:

  “There was a possibility where the owners would say, you guys are way too greedy. But they came off their initial positions and they'll get a deal done.”

• [42:40] Zaslow on fair revenue share:

  “It cannot be 15 or 18. It has to be in the low 20s at least. ... Revenue is gross by nature. Net revenue changes the entire meaning of the word.”

• [43:21] Dan channels ownership’s logic:

  “Then go fight somewhere else. That's what Dana [White] would say, and he's not wrong. Go fight somewhere else... If you can play in Korea or Tokyo and make as much money as you're making here, then go do it.”

---

Notable Quotes & Moments

• [10:03] Dan Le Batard on the final call:

  “That is a terrible goddamn call. You cannot call that.”

• [18:56] Stugotz on critic vs. player:

  “Do you realize how much easier it is to be the critic in this spot, to be the guy than to be the guy who actually swings the bat at a pitch? That wasn’t close? He said afterward. I knew it was a ball. It is a ball forever.”

• [20:54] Sampson comparing old and new controversies:

  “I thought I was waking up and I was going to watch the replay. I thought I was going to see Eric Gregg back behind home plate.”

• [28:06] Stugotz on championship luck:

  “The Raptors won because Durant and Klay Thompson were hurt. ... In sports, championships aren’t won alone, they’re won with the right people around you.”

• [43:47] Dan Le Batard (chuckling at himself as ‘the man’):

  “I don’t want to be that, Trist. I don’t want to be that to you.”

---

Time-Stamped Key Segments

• 02:10–14:00: World Baseball Classic controversy, final pitch debate, umpiring philosophy, fan reactions
• 19:50–22:59: Revisiting the Eric Gregg Game and the mythos of infamous umpire calls
• 32:17–36:52: NCAA Tournament first round, “top five games to watch” analysis
• 36:52–41:39: NBA expansion, realignment, and what it signals for the league’s global ambitions
• 41:39–44:14: WNBA labor negotiations and economic realities of women's professional sports

---

Tone & Signature Style

• The conversation is lively, argumentative, and loaded with tongue-in-cheek jabs.
• Banter blends sports analysis with cultural observation, humor, and self-deprecation.
• Frequent interruptions, playful accusations of bias, and storytelling about infamous sports incidents create a “barbershop” vibe.
• The tone is accessible, passionate, and keeps alive the show’s tradition of entertaining group debate.

---

Summary prepared for quick catch-up, retaining the show’s unique blend of sports debate, cultural humor, and personal insight.

Transcript

[Dan LeBatard]

Close your eyes, exhale.

[Jonathan Zaslow]

Feel your body relax and let go of whatever you're carrying today. Well, I'm letting go of the worry

[Dan LeBatard]

that I wouldn't get my new contacts in time for this class. I got them delivered free from 1-800-contacts.

[Stugats]

Oh my gosh, they're so fast.

[Dan LeBatard]

And breathe.

[Jonathan Zaslow]

Oh, sorry.

[Dan LeBatard]

I almost couldn't breathe when I saw the discount they gave me on my first order.

[Jonathan Zaslow]

Oh, sorry.

[Stugats]

Namaste.

[Jonathan Zaslow]

Visit 1-800-contacts.com today to save on your first order.

[Stugats]

1-800-contacts now at the Home Depot.

[David]

Receive 12 months special financing and free

[Trista]

basic installation on carpet projects with LifeProof.

[Stugats]

LifeProof with pet proof technology. Home decorators collection and traffic Master carpets bring a new look to your floors or give them a durable surface that

[Dan LeBatard]

stands up to life's tough messes.

[Stugats]

Get 12 months special financing on installed carpet projects right now at the Home Depot. Offer valid March 12 through March 29, 2026.

[Trista]

Exclusions and additional charges may apply for licenses.

[Stugats]

See homedepot.com licensenumbers did you know only

[Trista]

6% of people are getting enough fiber? That's why Quaker created Fiber February, a month long movement to show your gut

[Dan LeBatard]

a little more love.

[Trista]

It's like dry January, only easier and more delicious. Quaker has over a hundred delicious options that are a good source of fiber.

[David]

So go buy Quaker oats today and join the Fiber February movement for a healthy gut.

[Stugats]

Welcome to the Big Sui presented by DraftKings. Why are you listening to this show? The podcast that seems very similar to the other Dan LeBatard podcast?

[David]

I'm sorry.

[Sampson]

I'm not going to apologize for that.

[Stugats]

In fact, the only difference seems to be this imaging. I have been tempted in restaurants just walking past tables to grab somebody's fries that if they're just there. That hasn't happened to you guys.

[David]

I've done it.

[Stugats]

And now here's the marching man to Nowhere, Fat Face and the habitual liar.

[Trista]

This episode of the Dan LeBatard show is presented by DraftKings. DraftKings. The crown is yours.

[Sampson]

Nice.

[Stugats]

The World Baseball Classic last night ended in controversy. The United States advances. They beat a Dominican Republic team that hadn't trailed in the tournament, was clubbing everybody, and is one of the best lineups ever assembled. The last pitch was not a strike. If they were still using replay, they would have overturned that as a strike. And after the game, Soto's just saying, well, everyone knows we're the better team after they have lost. And there were a few things from that game that I want to cover with you. Guys, first of all, I was listening on the ride home from our Oscar and Selection Sunday watch party on the radio. And it was the television broadcast on the radio. And I hear Aaron Judge hit a ball, making the sound that Aaron Judge's bad is made. I hear. I'm not watching. I hear the crowd make the noise that suggests to me that everyone thinks it's a home run. And the announcer does this, which was perfect. He says, did he get enough of it? He did not. Because the ball is robbed at the fence by J Rod. And then he recovers so well by saying, and Spider Man, Rob Superman. But he was stuck in the air right before that. And Aaron Judge, whenever he hits a ball, I always think anytime the ball is in the air off that guy's bat, even if it's an infield pop up, that it's going out of the stadium because he's got these superhuman dimensions that would make him wear one of the best baseball players ever if Shohei Ohtani did not exist to make his time now pale compared to Shohei's. But the game ends in controversy. Sampson, what did you cover on Nothing personal as it related to the specifics of that last pitch was simply not a strike.

[Dan LeBatard]

I was trying to explain to people like Tony, who is sulking, obviously, that that's not why the doctor lost. You have to understand that when you're playing the USA in the semifinals, you best be swinging. You cannot be caught looking because MLB would like the USA to advance.

[Stugats]

It is why they lost. They had a runner on third. They would have had a runner on first and third. It would have been a walk. It should have been a walk. It was not a strike. It was a ball.

[Dan LeBatard]

To end the game, you have to be swinging. You cannot let the umpires decide the game. When Austin Wells is stopped at third base, you've got to have pinch run for him with o', Neill, Cruz. And then he scores on that and. And it's outrageous. It was mismanaged. Hey, Albert's new. Albert's new. I'll give him that. But that the Dr. Loss because of managing, not because of an ABS call.

[Sampson]

So I didn't see the very end of the game. I'm old and I'm tired. And I woke up in the morning and like, I saw the controversy, I heard the contract. I'm like, okay, this. This pitch must have been like, not. Not anywhere close. And then I saw the video and I got to be perfectly honest with you, it's not even close to as egregious as I thought based on the conversation that I saw online about it not being a strike. And on top of it, it's two out, two strikes, bottom of the ninth, one run game. You better be swinging at that pitch, guys.

[Stugats]

It wasn't a strike. Like, you guys can keep doing this.

[Dan LeBatard]

That's not how baseball is played.

[Stugats]

Okay, I understand, but anything close, Dan, but no, no, not with instant replay anymore. You guys are using hundred year.

[Dan LeBatard]

There's no abs.

[Stugats]

But you guys are using hundred year old rules. These guys play usually under. I know the strike. Z can get it right and they will fix it with instant replay. It simply was not a strike. And you guys are real casual about making it this absolute. David, this isn't the reason the loss. This is the reason for the loss. And no, the game would have continued if that was called correctly. It was not called correctly.

[David]

But the hitter's instinct on two strikes, protect the plate.

[Stugats]

Guys. This is the hardest thrower in the history of throwing baseballs.

[Trista]

Okay, this isn't that more of an argument of like, I better just swing if it's close.

[Stugats]

Easy for you guys to sit here and say how easy it is to swing at that pitch.

[Sampson]

If it's close, it's easy.

[Stugats]

This man throws very hard, and he threw a breaking ball. 3, 2. Like I say, he throws 105. You got a sit fastball, it's 105. He throws a breaking ball. It's out of the strike zone. He shows the plate discipline of not swinging at it. And you punish him for it by all of you saying you got to swing in that spot as if he's Carlos Beltran at the end of the Met Series before instant replay.

[Jonathan Zaslow]

If this was reversed and it was the other way around, the isolationist America First, Samson and Zaslow would be freaking the out right now.

[Stugats]

She is so right on this. And I like the idea of literal pitchforks forks about that pitch. Just like, just not. Not a pitchfork, but just tiny little sporks that you just come out on the field with and start stabbing the umpire because it was a terrible call.

[Dan LeBatard]

I don't want to be associated like that because that's not at all. I'm extraordinarily fair in anger and frustration as it relates to umps and calls and dealing with the guy who doesn't

[Stugats]

know that Europe and soccer exists and that there's a different way of keeping elsewhere.

[Dan LeBatard]

Have you. You've been to Anfield?

[Stugats]

You didn't just do that to me.

[Trista]

Have you.

[David]

Have you been Anfield?

[Stugats]

He just gave me his Resume. You have Liverpool season tickets being delivered. Six weeks is what it is that he just did to me.

[Dan LeBatard]

Cavern Club. I'm not, I'm not justifying my sports cred by telling you.

[Stugats]

It's not. It's your bias. She's so right about what she's saying. America would be making opposite argument of this if this had happened to the American.

[Sampson]

That's right. Welcome to sports.

[Trista]

No, but Dan, honestly, I really. No, I really think though if I saw like if it's close, if it's close, you have to swing. There's no replay in this tournament.

[Dan LeBatard]

You meet with your players before a game to talk to them about the circumstances of the game. The doctor players knew that when you're up against the league wanting USA to advance, you've got to change your approach.

[Trista]

Where was that umpire from?

[Stugats]

Do you hear what he said? You meet with your players before the game to talk about the circumstances of the game. The Americans were dealing with a manager who didn't know what the stakes were earlier in this.

[Sampson]

That's true.

[Stugats]

Like you meet with your players and you tell them, hey, look, just in case the guy who throws 105, if he goes three, two, breaking ball on you, you got to swing at the end of the game, even if it's out of the strike zone.

[Dan LeBatard]

You're so wrong. The players for us knew that they had to beat Mexico to advance. They knew about the game three and game four. So stop with that Mark Derosa and I'm not going to defend Mark DeRosa at all.

[Stugats]

Sounds like you're starting.

[Dan LeBatard]

No, what he did is a fireable offense. By meeting with the media the way he did and being so wrong about what he did that in a regular season, I think about canning him, but the players, they know exactly what's going on in a particular game. They just do.

[Sampson]

So I just, I can't let a couple of inches determine whether or not I'm going to swing in that spot in such a huge moment with two strikes in the game online, I'm telling you, I thought I was going to wake up and I was going to watch the replay. I thought I was going to see Eric Greg back behind home plate. I really did. It was not that aggressive.

[Stugats]

We'll get to that in a second. I want to teach the kids about Eric Greg and Lavon Hernandez, Greg Maddox game. But here is Mero, our friend, the kid Marrow. He is doing a live stream, watching the game with his friends. This is the reason that do these live streams so that you can have the Frustration at the end of the game. Here is a last pitch. That is clearly not a strike. Let's see how the kid Marrow and his friends reacted. What?

[Sampson]

No.

[Dan LeBatard]

That is down.

[Sampson]

That's a awful call.

[Dan LeBatard]

That is a terrible goddamn call. You cannot call that.

[Stugats]

You can't miss that. The sad fun go. The sad straight.

[Dan LeBatard]

Cannot make that call.

[Trista]

That's a great take. I thought he was complimenting his take that you can't make that call, but no, he meant the not swinging. It was a great take.

[Sampson]

How far phony is that guy in the back row saying? It's a great take? He's cheering for the U.S. he was excited.

[Dan LeBatard]

And then.

[Sampson]

And because he and the other guy back There were wearing PR hats, he was cheering for the U.S. he was excited about the end. And then to make sure you're getting the guy's good graces who are cheering for Dr. In front, you got to let everybody know. That's a terrible call. I saw you. I saw you playing both sides.

[Jonathan Zaslow]

I noticed that same thing. Zaz.

[Sampson]

What a phony.

[Jonathan Zaslow]

I was like, is he. Is he cheering as well?

[Sampson]

He.

[Jonathan Zaslow]

He's lamenting on audio and cheering in his.

[Sampson]

I'm glad with the result. But now let me make my friends know that I'm really on their side.

[Stugats]

Let me. I want to see the whole thing again. And I want you guys to hear the incredibly sad. It's the saddest I've ever heard a bongo be. It's just one stray bongo sound in the middle of them and their despondence. What?

[David]

No.

[Sampson]

That's a awful call.

[Dan LeBatard]

That is a terrible goddamn call. You cannot call that.

[Stugats]

You can't miss that.

[Dan LeBatard]

I'm gonna cancel. Cannot make that call there.

[Stugats]

Cannot.

[Trista]

That's a great take.

[Sampson]

I hope the kid watched that back and realizes who his real.

[Trista]

I actually, I. I'm fond of that guy afterwards. That's a baseball fan there. He knew. He had his interest.

[David]

Guys, a dude found a way to make a bongo sound sad. That is impressive.

[Stugats]

Forgive me, because I'm gonna play this a third time. The reason I'm gonna do this a third time, though, is I want you to see. And see if you can freeze it on the secret handshake between the two guys in the back. Because it wasn't just that he was happy about it. It's that the two of them were happy about it, and they gave a secret. In the middle of all of their friends misery, they tried to hide a secret handshake because they were happy. There. It was you saw it.

[Sampson]

Yup.

[Stugats]

You saw it. They tried to hide it behind that guy. Carl Anthony Towns is also Dominican. He is famously Dominican. They love him in Washington Heights as a. As a Knicks player. And he also had a reaction while he. He is festooned in the Dominican colors. And he's not happy about the call either.

[David]

The ball, the ball.

[Stugats]

Was it a ball that last we watched? Hell yeah, that was a ball, man. Some bull.

[David]

You should have had a chance.

[Stugats]

We have Fernando Tatis Jr. Coming up, bro. Come on, bro. That was a ball as hell.

[Dan LeBatard]

That was a strike. No, Hell no.

[David]

You say that as an American.

[Trista]

It was ball as hell.

[Stugats]

So that's what it comes down to, though, that the ump is from Denver.

[Trista]

I did just look it up. Unfortunately.

[Dan LeBatard]

Unfortunately, he's from Denver.

[Trista]

Yeah.

[Dan LeBatard]

So that means that by definition, a US Umpire is going to purposely call a ball a ball.

[Trista]

If I'm hidden in that situation, that's more of the argument for you got to swing anything close there. We got Denver, Colorado behind the plate.

[Dan LeBatard]

You know the umpires. You know the situation. You don't stop well. As a third, first of all, you pinch run for him.

[Trista]

Also, they made a third out at their Tatis. There were some base running mishaps.

[Dan LeBatard]

It takes a great throw. I love making them make a play, but Judge makes that play in defense wins. And the US Bullpen shut him down for five plus innings.

[David]

Quick break to tell you about a special Miller time I had with my good buddy Mochetta. Mochetta texted me the other day. He said, hey, what are you doing for the game? I said, I'm just on my couch right now doing nothing, enjoying it. He's like, hey, do you want some company? I said, from you, Mochetta? Absolutely. Mochetta comes over to the house and I pull out the Miller Lite. Miller Lite made that casual hang. A memorable good Miller time with my good friend Mochetta. Because Miller Lite brought us together. We took that first sip after we toasted our beers and we knew we made the right call. We watched a game. All of a sudden, we're standing up on our feet, big threes are being drained and white cans are being clanged. See, times like these. That's exactly why Miller Lite is my go to clean, refreshing, easy to drink, brewed for taste with simple ingredients. The original light beer since 1975. And it still hits different for yours truly and his good friend Mo Chedda. Cheers to legendary moments made with Miller lite. Great taste. 96 calories. Go to millerlight.com dan to find delivery options near you. Or you can pick up some Miller Lite pretty much anywhere they sell beer. It's Miller time. Celebrate responsibly. Miller Brewing Co. Milwaukee, Wisconsin 96 calories and 3.2 carbs per 12 ounces.

[Trista]

Folks, listen up now. Samantha Bennet sounds less like a dog and more like someone who definitely has strong opinions in a neighborhood HOA meeting. But that's my dog's name, and somehow she fully lives up to the name. If you're a pet parent like me, you already know Chewy. And when they say they've got everything you need to keep your pet happy and healthy, they really do. Chewy has over 100,000 products. Food, treats, toys, beds. All the stuff Samantha Bed somehow knows is for her the second the box shows up. And it gets delivered in one or two days, which saves me every time I realize we're almost out of food way later than I should have. And it's not just dogs and cats either. Guys, birds, fish, reptiles. Basically every pet situation is covered. Chewy has everything you need to keep your pet happy and healthy. And right now you can save $20 on your first order and get free shipping by going to chupanions.chewy.com levitardshow that's C-H-E W P A N I O N S.chewy.com/le batard show to save $20 on your first order with free shipping. Chupanions.chewy.Com Lebatard show minimum purchase required. New customers only. Terms and conditions apply.

[Dan LeBatard]

See site for complete details.

[Jonathan Zaslow]

Love the night Reach for Zyn After Dark, a limited cocktail inspired series for those who get up when the sun goes down. Try Zinn's Mojito Spiced Cider and Espresso Martini Nicotine pouches. Find them at select retailers. Available while supplies Zinn After Dark Bring on the night. This product contains nicotine. Nicotine is an addictive chemical.

[Stugats]

Don LeBatard punctuate this segment with what is your strike three call?

[Trista]

Strike one would be strike, and then you stand up and you give a good point to the right.

[David]

Stugats.

[Trista]

That's same for strike two. But strike three, you get down low, you got your hands behind the catcher, all right? The right arm goes up into the air and then you finish it with the punch. The right arm flings way up into the air.

[Stugats]

I wish I could see that. The audio's great.

[David]

This is the Dan Levatar show with the Stugach.

[Stugats]

Can I just stop you Guys, for a second, though, on what I'm about to say, because I feel like from our couches behind the microphones, we underestimate a handful of things. There is a pitcher throwing a ball, fastballs harder than anyone has ever thrown a baseball up until the last. I'm gonna say eight years, maybe nine. That pitcher, on a 3, 2 count, there is no circumstance under which he's throwing a breaking ball. I'm going to say that's something that's happened maybe the last seven years. Somebody who throws 104 miles an hour with Tatis on deck does not throw a breaking ball on a 3, 2 pitch. You guys sitting here saying, you got to swing the bat. When a human being is throwing a baseball harder than anyone ever does, and you have to sit fastball on that pitcher. If you do not, you're going to watch. What you're going to have happen is he's going to throw it right down if you're sitting breaking ball there saying, you just got to swing at everything. He's going to swing a month late if he's sitting on breaking ball, because you can't expect a breaking ball there. Do you guys realize how much easier it is to be the critic in this spot, to be the guy than to be the guy who actually swings the bat at a pitch? That wasn't close? He said afterward. I knew it was a ball. It is a ball. It's a ball forever. It's a ball. I know it's a ball. That wasn't a strike.

[Trista]

I just think you're almost making our point. Like, the better the pitcher, the better stuff from a pitcher, the more I'm just protecting the plate. This guy's so unhittable. Anything close, I got a swing. Yep. So it's just like to be able to be like, oh, that was an inch low. That's a tough spot to take there.

[Dan LeBatard]

And you don't get to say, good eye.

[David]

And in the hundreds of years that we've been playing baseball, you know, that's a fastball in that situation. He knew that was going to be a fastball in that situation. He saw it go off the plate.

[Stugats]

It wasn't a fastball, it was a curveball. He was sitting for, like, if he. You've got to sit fastball there. The guy throws 105 miles an hour.

[David]

Right.

[Stugats]

You have to sit fast. But what do you mean? Right? Right.

[David]

We knew it was going to be a fastball. He just sat on. Sat on the curveball.

[Stugats]

Minor penalty, two minutes, dumpster Juice.

[Trista]

Take. Wow.

[David]

I don't think you've ever played that.

[Stugats]

I want to show all of you, for those of you who have not seen it, I want to relive the Levon Hernandez, Greg Madison, the late Eric Greg. Early in this game, Eric Greg was calling strikes that were in the opposite batter's box. Levon Hernandez struck out 15 batters in this game, at least in part because the strike zone was the most ridiculous thing that there has ever been so beautiful in the history of playoff baseball. So we are going to just show you all 15 strikeouts here.

[Sampson]

Always in the other batter's box.

[Stugats]

Well, they all are, except for a couple.

[Trista]

There's a couple. But I love the last one. The last one where Fred McGriff. It's a backdoor curveball. The ball is two feet outside. Never even close. Oh, Fred McGriff. Just look, here it is.

[Sampson]

Oh, my God. It's incredible. I'm telling you, if you out there, you're a Miami fan, you're a Miami sportsman, whatever, and you're like, oh, yeah, of course I remember Levon Hernandez. I remember the Eric Greg game. If you have not watched it recently, it's.

[David]

It's.

[Sampson]

It's even worse than you remember it being. The calls are so egregious. That's what I thought I was waking up to this morning.

[Stugats]

This. This is the only baseball game I have ever seen, right. Ever. Because players are fairly consistent when they say, I don't mind an umpire who is calling a very lenient strike zone, I just want to know that he's going to consistently do that over the course of a game. Eric Greg gave the same strike zone to Levon Hernande that he did to Greg Maddox. But resourceful Levon Hernandez, who came from Cuba, realized in the first inning, wait a minute. He's going to give me a strike in the opposite batter's box every time. And he just started throwing all of his pitches in the opposite batter's box. And Eric Greg, you would say this is the worst umpire game that you've ever seen, correct, David? Like that. There's never.

[Sampson]

There's never been a World Series.

[Stugats]

No, it wasn't the World Series. It was against the Atlanta Braves. But it was in the playoffs to get to the World Series.

[Dan LeBatard]

I mean, I've watched CB Buckner and Angel Hernandez, and we've seen some bad ones. But the consistency is a funny point because, yes, it doesn't matter where the strike zone is if it's consistent. But now with abs, there's going to be There literally will be a consistent strike zone. But Eric Gregg is not thought of as a terrible umpire the way CB is.

[Sampson]

He's had a bad day.

[Dan LeBatard]

It was just. It was. Yeah, it was just.

[Stugats]

No, but Eric Greg is forever associated. His name is forever associated with that poorly umpired game.

[Dan LeBatard]

I'm saying not within baseball. That's all.

[Stugats]

Okay. Angel Hernandez was worse as an umpire. Career, lifetime body of work. Angel Hernandez. Congratulation. Well, it. It does matter. And that Angel Hernandez is forever known as a bad umpire. But I've never seen a worse umpire than the one in this game.

[Dan LeBatard]

A worse moment.

[Stugats]

Don't be judged by moment. It wasn't. It wasn't a moment. It was nine innings. It was nine innings of moments. It was 15 strikeouts. Those are 15 moments. At the very least.

[Trista]

To your point, though, from last night's game, that. That a Rod said after the game that that is that guy's hot zone. And at umpire, he calls that down pitch a lot. So that is information that they would have.

[Dan LeBatard]

He did it all game.

[Trista]

That's more for the argument of you

[Dan LeBatard]

gotta swing, by the way. He did it all game.

[David]

Yeah.

[Sampson]

I wonder, are there other moments in the game where he called that a strike?

[Jonathan Zaslow]

Yes.

[Dan LeBatard]

Yes. But Dan, that. That doesn't go for Dan because that doesn't help his narrative. It's about Mason Miller throwing 108. I mean, which he doesn't.

[Stugats]

You guys. You guys just do this thing, though, where you make it sound very easy to do the thing that you're saying, as if you don't understand what you're watching. Like it's a. It's a hard thing to be in that situation against that pitcher who has struck out 19 of the last 20

[Dan LeBatard]

guys he's faced hitting so hard, all

[Stugats]

of whom were swinging hard on the last pitch, trying to protect the strike zone.

[Jonathan Zaslow]

I know David and Zaz act like they could just do it, right? Like they.

[Dan LeBatard]

No, no, that's not.

[Trista]

We're just saying swing.

[Sampson]

That's not true. I just. I think it's really close. You have less than a split second to decide how close it is if it's a ball or strike. And in that spot, two out, two strike, Bottom nine, one run game. In that split second, I got a swing if it's close, and he chose not to. And he got burned. I mean, the umpire was wrong, but he got burned. I don't want to get burned.

[Trista]

Swing neither.

[Stugats]

What other takes, David, did you have regarding the World Baseball Classic as the United States ends up advancing and beating the Team that has looked the best in this tournament. But the. The United States was favored last night, at least because Skenes was starting for them.

[Dan LeBatard]

Skenes gave. As we talked about. He did seven. Do you notice Zaz? 71 pitches and done. You're allowed to go 90, but the Pirates said, no, thank you.

[Sampson]

So it's only, it's only the, it's only the US Team that has those types.

[Dan LeBatard]

No. Every starter that has a major league contract, the major league team dictates to the World Baseball Classic team the amount of pitches.

[Stugats]

Can you walk me through some of this though? Because if I were a major league team, the United States didn't used to have these kinds of stars playing in this game. And I don't know that I'd want my stars playing in this game even if it's good for the sport because I wouldn't want anybody getting hurt. Anybody as valuable as schemes who is almost single handedly responsible for the Pirates improved playoff chances. I would not want that person getting hurt. Off of my employment watch.

[Dan LeBatard]

Yeah, there was a nice agreement with Bill Nutting. Bob Nutting. Excuse me. You know, he gets a lot of.

[Stugats]

That's his real name, Bob Nutting.

[Dan LeBatard]

Bob Nutting is the owner.

[Stugats]

Good for him.

[Dan LeBatard]

I don't know why I said Bill, but it's Bob.

[Stugats]

Well, but that's not the part of the name I was noticing, the nutting part.

[Dan LeBatard]

Never heard the word nutting.

[Stugats]

Yes, right.

[Dan LeBatard]

So. Yes. So they don't want their players. Odd question, but when you have revenue sharing. We've done these negotiations. That's why I can talk about it where you. They'll say to you, hey, we want Stanton or we want Yellich or we want whatever. You know, the answer is, well, well, if you don't give them. Let's talk about your revenue sharing. Let's talk about some grievances that are against you. Let's talk about other points of pressure that can be applied to teams like the Pirates. And then you see skins on the team, that's number one. And then you can hide it with the Air Force stuff and hide it with I love America stuff. But the negotiation was with Nutty.

[Stugats]

They milked a whole lot out of skin. Three of his uncles were in the armed services. They made him a 6, 6 fighter pilot. I expected him to take the mound, just to land on the mound in a military chopper and a Blackhawk.

[Dan LeBatard]

You're making me. I don't want to be not patriotic, but give me a break, would you? You know, we're playing harder because of my relationship with the Air Force? No, but the pitch count consideration, that's pre negotiated.

[Sampson]

Is it exactly what he would have pitched in spring training anyway?

[Dan LeBatard]

He actually would be more. Because you're about 10 days away from his first start, which will be March 26, and so he pitched on March 15. So he's got one more start and then he starts opening day. So this was his day to pitch, which is why it was predetermined that he'd pitch the semifinals. All of it was pre done, including the number of pitches. The negotiation is, can we let him go 80? Can we let him go 90? And the pirates say no, no, 70. They pulled him at 71. So one extra pitch, but they had a bullpen that was ready to go, and the bullpen shut him down.

[Stugats]

Your thoughts on Juan Soto saying after the game, yeah, everyone knows we're the better team.

[Sampson]

Who cares, silly? This is why we play. I don't want to sound like a broke, you know, like. Like a dope is what we play, the games, you know, but like, it's literally why they play. Sometimes the team that's not better wins.

[Stugats]

Yeah, but he's saying that that was decided by the umpire at the end on a call that wasn't correct, and so the game shouldn't have ended on well.

[Sampson]

But then he's assuming that if it was called correct, they were still going to win the game because they're the better team. And that's just wrong.

[Stugats]

It's not wrong. It's unknown.

[Sampson]

Yes.

[Dan LeBatard]

No, it is wrong. There's actually no way to say. We judge it on rings. We judge it on gold medals when. When it doesn't matter who's hurt. Did the Heat win a title and there was somebody who didn't play? I'm totally blanking. I know. The Knicks lost a title when Ewing didn't play.

[Jonathan Zaslow]

Cavs. Cavs won or. No, warriors won because Kyrie Irving and Kevin Love were both out.

[Dan LeBatard]

Okay? And the warriors, that's part of their dynasty. No one, no one talks. It doesn't much matter. I don't really care when people are injured and you win because of that.

[Stugats]

The Raptors won because Durant and Klay Thompson were hurt. But I still don't know what you were doing with the Heat. Heat.

[Sampson]

Maybe you're thinking about 97 with the brawl. And Ewing and Oakley and Starks were all therefore, because that Knicks team was better. And guess what? The Heat won. They came back 3 1, and guess what?

[Dan LeBatard]

We lost.

[Sampson]

Yeah.

[Dan LeBatard]

So that's it, Right?

[Stugats]

Minor penalty two minutes delay a show. You should wear it. I don't know what it is that you were doing. And then we just got stuck in the quicksand because you offered nothing. In fact, minor penalty.

[Sampson]

Two minutes for adding nothing.

[David]

A double minor, double minor.

[Stugats]

Four minutes for Sampson so he can walk out of here with his flip flops and his cargo shorts and his ridiculous long sleeve shirt. And then he could say to Trista that she looks like she's dressed inappropriately. You should be ashamed of yourself.

[Jonathan Zaslow]

I tried to clean it up and it got worse.

[Stugats]

Honestly, I know you tried to help him and it just we kept kept sinking deeper and deeper. What game in the last 30 years are you thinking of when an important player was out and then we just started guessing.

[David]

In sports, championships aren't one alone, the one with the right people around you. That's exactly what Intuit TurboTax brings to taxes with Tobol Tax Expert Full Service Match with a dedicated tax expert who handles your taxes from start to finish. The experience is seamless. Start in person, finish online, move between both whenever needed. The dedicated tax expert keeps things updated every step of the way so nothing falls between the cracks. Think of it like having a great head coach with a solid game plan. The players are called, adjustments are made and the work gets done while everyone stays focused on what actually matters. And just like Gamefilm doesn't wait for business hours, neither do taxes. With TurboTax Expert full service, you can get any tax question answered at no extra cost, even on nights and weekends during tax season. This is having someone in your corner running the whole operation and helping put points on the board. Get [e-mail] only available with Intuit TurboTax full service experts real time updates only in iOS mobile app

[Jonathan Zaslow]

spring is here and there's a whole new way to

[Stugats]

chai at Starbucks that's made perfect for you.

[Jonathan Zaslow]

Choose your sweetness, Dial it up or keep things light.

[David]

Add a touch of pistachio, a hint

[Jonathan Zaslow]

of strawberry or vanilla, or make it a spring classic with lavender because this

[Stugats]

season there's endless ways to chai at Starbucks.

[Trista]

Your little one grew three inches overnight. Adorable. Also expensive. Sell their pint sized pieces on Depop and list them in minutes with no selling fees because somewhere a dad refuses to pay full price for the clothes

[David]

his kids will outgrow tomorrow and he's

[Trista]

ready to buy your son's entire wardrobe right now. Consider your future growth bird budget secured. Start selling on Depop where taste recognizes taste.

[David]

Payment processing fees and boosting fees still apply. See website for details, Don LeBatard.

[Dan LeBatard]

Go pee pee.

[David]

Stugats.

[Dan LeBatard]

Go pee pee.

[David]

This is the Dan Levatar show with the Stugats.

[Stugats]

Let's get to the top five games to watch in this tournament from Trista. Because we have not talked enough about the actual tournament that begins really on Thursday. I know we've got playing games before that because you've got to get your gambling in, but on Thursday we really don't need this many teams. There are not enough good teams to be in this tournament. And this tournament's top heavy. Like maybe we'll get some upsets, but it seems to me like the one seeds are a good deal better than everyone else. Even though Michigan lost to Purdue, even though Florida lost to Vanderbilt. What I've watched from Arizona and Michigan and Florida and specifically Duke all season suggests to me that they're a good deal better than everyone else. Even if you like your Iowa States and your Texas Techs. But this tournament is fun because there's a lot of randomness. Do you have any Oli here, Trista, or do you just have a top five?

[Jonathan Zaslow]

I just learned what Oli is, so no, no Oli for me. This is just in the first round. So not in the full tournament. First, first game to watch in. In the first round of the tournament. Yukon versus Furman. I mean, this is just a very spicy matchup. Dan Hurley feels like this is not a championship quality team this year. I don't know if that's mind games or whether they're gonna get exploited by Furman. Listen, like. Oh, yeah, like that drop. I mean, this is a. This is a Furman team that was injured all year. Now they're finally healthy. They're monsters. They have two, six, 11 players to watch. I think they could bully Ucon. This is upset alert for me.

[Stugats]

Whoa, she's putting the town on alert. Look at that.

[Jonathan Zaslow]

Number four, number four, Wisconsin versus High Point. Ooh, I really like High Point. They're 30 and four. Nobody knows who they are. They force turnovers better than anyone in the country right now, or almost. Wisconsin's biggest defensive weakness is defending the exact style that High Point plays. I think that this is not just a mid major team hoping for a miracle. I think Wisconsin's very trendy, maybe even more trendy than High Point. And I think those teams fuck around

[Stugats]

and find out we have this in our own tournament and we can give people the update on this. It's the West Region. It's the Thursday game. It's 150. Number five, Wisconsin is represented by Jonathan Zaslow.

[David]

Looks like your big toe after hitting

[Sampson]

the corner of the bed.

[Jonathan Zaslow]

That's so good.

[Stugats]

We don't want to lose that. That's why it's seated so high. But High Point makes a lot of threes. They've got a Fun offense. Number 12, High Point is represented by Scott Van Pelt.

[David]

Looks like Adam Silver on steroids.

[Stugats]

I don't know if it's steroids, but it's like a human growth hormone, a healing cream of some sort. Not for muscles, for illness, cryogenic chamber.

[Jonathan Zaslow]

Just cortisone or hydrocortisone.

[Stugats]

Number three.

[Jonathan Zaslow]

Number three. TCU versus Ohio State. Man, you gotta watch this one. I think this is one of the more spicy matchups in the first round. I think TCU has some of the best wins so far this year. And I think they beat Iowa State, they beat Texas Tech down the stretch. Defense is top 25 in the country. If they get past Ohio State, they then draw an injured Duke team that's missing two important players. This game itself is a coin flip. The reason that you watch is because of the chaos it sets up if TCU wins.

[Stugats]

This is the East Region and our looks like tournament. This is the 12:15pm Thursday game. The 8 seed Ohio State is represented by Mina Times.

[David]

Looks like the therapist who starts to listen to your story, gets caught up in a daydream, then simply says, and

[Stugats]

how does that make you feel while

[David]

having idea what you actually said?

[Stugats]

This one's really good, though. I want TCU to go deep in the. I love this one because I want. I thought this should have been seated higher.

[Sampson]

Draymond Green looks like he has to sneeze.

[Stugats]

Always. Always. Because he's. His mouth's always open, like whether he's on his podcast.

[Sampson]

I don't know why that one hit me.

[David]

I just like that.

[Stugats]

No, he always looks like he's about to sneeze. It's not. He's not an arrest state. He's in a state where moments from now, he's not going to be able to keep that sneeze down. And how about your number one game to here, Trista?

[Trista]

Let's do number two first.

[Jonathan Zaslow]

I think we have to get to two first.

[Stugats]

Oh, I skipped over that. Yeah.

[Jonathan Zaslow]

Vanderbilt versus McNeese. Listen, Vanderbilt just beat Florida by 17. Zaz. They may be one of the hottest teams in the country right now. This sets up another matchup between these two teams. Florida, they need to watch out.

[Stugats]

Do we want to do this? I don't want to use too much of our tournament yet. So let's go. Let's go to the next one here.

[Jonathan Zaslow]

And then finally number one for the folks in Miami, it is Miami versus Missouri in Missouri.

[Stugats]

Unfair. Unfair game. You can't put that game in Missouri. You can't punish the higher seed.

[Jonathan Zaslow]

No, you can't. And I think obviously Miami is the much more talented team on paper, but they're playing in Missouri's backyard. That always matters in the tournament setting. Their coach hasn't been in the tournament as a head coach before Virginia. Jason just gave the blueprint to everyone. Make this Miami team make threes and let's see what happens. So I'm really, really excited about this game to watch as well.

[Stugats]

We've got breaking news here in the NBA. The NBA is holding a vote board of governors, March 24th and 25th to explore adding expansion teams in Vegas and Seattle. I assume that done right. They say exploring and they say meeting to talk about. I'm assuming. And we're assuming teams will be in Las Vegas and Seattle in short order. Correct. Because there's more money for the owners in expanding. And so of course they're going to do that. Even though They've already got 10 teams in the league that are actively trying to lose.

[Sampson]

That's the first thing that comes to my mind. I mean, the regular season kind of stinks in the NBA and now we're going to add more teams. It's. I don't know. Yeah, it's obvious that it's going to be Vegas and Seattle, but it's not very exciting to me.

[David]

It would probably reshape the way that the conferences are organized. Shams has alluded to the Grizzlies and Timberwolves moving to the Eastern Conference because

[Sampson]

you are adding, well, Grizzlies or Timberwolves.

[David]

Well, you are adding two teams on the west coast in Las Vegas and Seattle. There is going to need to be some reshaping hopefully down the line. When Europe gets into the equation, they just do away with conferences entirely because they are really dumb, especially in that.

[Jonathan Zaslow]

Is Europe going to get into the conversation? I don't know that these European teams are going to allow that really to happen.

[David]

I mean, they have had deep conversations with existing clubs over in Europe and a couple of new franchises that pop up there. I think that that's the next piece. It's probably a couple years away, David, but I think five core teams in Europe sounds good with potentially. Hopefully they get the right idea. Do away with conferences. Every team in the league just plays twice. You're around 40 teams and then you take the top 16.

[Dan LeBatard]

Well, first things first. The reason why you call it exploring relocation is that you don't have ownership groups yet. Don't forget there's a fight going on behind the scenes who's going to get the Vegas team. It's not a done deal at all. I know LeBron wants Rich Paul said

[Sampson]

he and LeBron have never ever talked about owning a team.

[Dan LeBatard]

So I'm sure it's never.

[Sampson]

That's what he said. That's what Rich Paul said.

[Dan LeBatard]

It would never occur to LeBron at age 40 to think about what's next that that's not how he rolls. So figuring out who's going to own the team because Shaq had an interest as well.

[Jonathan Zaslow]

Money Mayweather told me he was getting it.

[Dan LeBatard]

Who did?

[Jonathan Zaslow]

Money Mayweather.

[Dan LeBatard]

That's three different part he'd be part of. He'd never get approved by himself. He could join some sort of growth.

[Stugats]

You don't think. You don't think an ownership group would just say, sure, Floyd, come on in. Just by yourself. We trust that you won't. Don't gamble away all your money.

[Dan LeBatard]

He's. Well, it's not Bruno, but I would say that exploring then ownership group we haven't seen yet. Exactly. The Seattle plan. And I remind cities. Hear me out. You're paying more to get your team back than you would have to have kept your team from moving to okc. You made a mistake.

[Sampson]

Yeah, but times have changed. I mean now 20 years ago, a little less than 20.

[Dan LeBatard]

That's not very long at all.

[Stugats]

Marlins, you're speaking to the city of Seattle as if they're listening right now. They don't know something and they're listening to you right now. You want Seattle to know that they could have kept their team before by just. What are you trying to talk about?

[Dan LeBatard]

The future cities where you are being threatened to give money or your team will move. Listen to those threats because your team will move and then you'll be screwed and trying to get it back. It always costs more to get a new customer than to keep your old customer.

[David]

Well.

[Jonathan Zaslow]

And that's why I don't know if you guys saw this, but Adam Silver was in Portland just a couple of days ago announcing that the city and a bipartisan way has essentially going to be paying for this Modus center renovation that keeps Portland having the blazers, which was kind of like a piece of uncertainty up until just a couple of days ago.

[Dan LeBatard]

You were part of nothing personal today.

[Jonathan Zaslow]

Oh, really?

[Dan LeBatard]

Because I found out. You're from Portland, which I didn't know. And I discussed that very topic this morning. Because what Adam Silver was doing was making sure that everyone understood that there was public money going into the renovation. And you're going to feel good about it. He said to the staffers in Portland and the politicians and the people. You're going to get other events, all the things that you've been missing, all of the ails of Portland will disappear by giving money. And so what made me smile about Adam Silver is he had a schlep to Portland to do this. And my guess is while he's there, what do you do when you go to Portland? You do a quick little strip club. Well, I don't know that Silver did that. My guess is he did a quick stop in Seattle.

[Stugats]

Well, you swing by Nike if you're in Portland. You have to.

[Jonathan Zaslow]

And Casa Diablo, he gets Nike for free.

[Stugats]

I mean, they're an important league partner and they're an important epicenter to business in Portland in general. Speaking of business, the WNBA has another extended deadline today. You're the only one that I have heard say very strongly in the sports media that you believe that the WNBA might disappear, Period. Not just for a while, but period. Where are you right now on where those negotiations are?

[Dan LeBatard]

There've been a bunch of deadlines, and there was one on March 10th. They blew through it. Now it's March 17th, 16th, and they're saying today's the new deadline. Kathy Engelbert, Today's the day. So we're going to find out. Maybe today's the day. But if the women believe they're going to get up to their number of revenue sharing to 30, they're down at 26. Will it be 15 or 18? The relevant part of this is not housing. The relevant part is what will the league look like going forward. And yes, there was a possibility where the owners would say, you guys are way too greedy. But they came off their initial positions and they'll get a deal done.

[Jonathan Zaslow]

It can. It cannot be 15 or 18. It has to be over in the high, in the low 20s at least. And it can't be this net revenue number that the league keeps saying, like, you're playing these word games. Revenue is gross by nature. Net revenue changes. The entire meaning of the word.

[Stugats]

UFC is the worst at this, and they do 17%. The WNBA players cannot, with this kind of leverage, take less than UFC labor is taking gain. What is their leverage that they're incredibly popular right now and they don't have to be what the UFC is in terms of paying its employees worse than anybody in sports pays its employees.

[Dan LeBatard]

Then go fight somewhere else. That's what Dana would say, and he's not wrong. Go fight somewhere else. And these women go play somewhere else. I say it to the baseball players, too. This is not about men versus women. If you have. If you can play in Korea or Tokyo and make as much money as you're making here, then go do it. But you can't. Which is why we're gonna win on the margins during every CBA negotiation, and we're gonna make sure that we hold out long enough to get what we want.

[Jonathan Zaslow]

Spoken like the man.

[Dan LeBatard]

No, but that's just the reality. I don't. I don't want to be that, Trist. I don't want to be that to you.

[David]

That was a. We said we.

[Stugats]

Whenever you say we, you sound like management. You said we as manager.

[Dan LeBatard]

I meant they anytime.

[Stugats]

Should have said they and pronouns. David. Pronouns.

[Dan LeBatard]

Terrible at pronouns.

[Stugats]

Not surprising. You also had Adam Silver going to a small Nike store in Portland.

[David]

Stopping by the outlet. I knew getting the Brandon Roy swing man shot clocks big shots, upsets, aces. TGL playoffs are here. First, Atlanta Drive starts their repeat run against Los Angeles Golf Club. Then Rory's Boston Common Golf and Tigers Jupiter Links face off in their playoff debuts. Who will advance? Keep up its playoffs tune in Tuesday, March 17th at 6:30pm and 9:00pm only on ESPN. And the ESPN applied.